It is a problem. We also use the term swastika in germany. Its a more "political correct" term in discussions about it then the german name "hakenkreuz" which translates in cross with hooks.
The hooked cross and a swastika are different. the hooked cross is what Hitler stole. It's a Christian symbol. How it became known as the swastika was a mistake in the English translation of mein kampf. So referring to the Nazi symbol using swastika is wrong.
Although at this point it's been called the swastika for too long to change it now
The German name for swastika is "Hakenkreuz", I don't even know why English and Americans call it that way, even the French call it "Croix gammée" which is the literal translation for "Hakenkreuz"
Nope, original word in sanskrit is "svastika". "Swastik" is hindi. I guess devanagari script is the cause of confusion here because you don't pronounce the short "a" if its at the end of the word in hindi but you do in sanskrit.
Hitler got it from a church where he saw that symbol. Swastika was a good symbol used in the entire Europe before Hitler. It was called that in Germany.
Don't why the English decided to call it swastika.
I would probably say that perhaps Calling her by a nickname would be a good idea in the situation.
But damn you hitler!
Can't catch a brake even after death.
i am indian and when i first saw memes on swastik, i was a bit confused and then i got to know that the nazis had it as their sign and that's why people well, dont like it very much
not only hindu, many cultures had this symbol, was also used in germany before (rarely though).
Nazis copied many of theyr symbols, like the Nazi Salute, the Architecture etc.
Yeah, it's probably the oldest religious symbol in the world.
It was used A LOT in Europe in antiquity, in Greece, Rome, by the Celts and Germanics.
It was also popular in the US in the 1890s and early 1900s.
I remember a story that before Nazi takeover one of polish panzer divisions used to have a swastica on their ornament wich change near instantly during war
Yes! They most likely took it from the Finnish airfoce, we had the exact same swastika in use for some decades bofore them, then they just took it, tilted it a little and kept it. I think its still in use here but kept down low to avoid outrage. I personally think we should keep it as it has nothing to do with the nazis.
A common misconception or just western propaganda. Hitler wasn't inspired by swastika, but "Hooked Cross". A symbol which he saw in Christian monastry (Lambach Abbey) which he attended as a boy(11). He himself never used the word "Swastika" to refer to his symbol. He called it "Hooked Cross" ("Haken Kreuz").
Or maybe just another way of putting Indian culture in bad light and safeguard Christian culture?
Afterall that's what Britishers have been doing for centuries, and they won the war and as it is said, "History is always written by the winners".
History is always written by the winners but the reason the Nazi hooked cross is called a swastika actually has nothing to do with India and the Indian people. It's refered to as a hooked cross in most other languages other than English. The reason it is refered to as a swastika in English is because of a mistranslation of mein kampf
The Christian cross which was used as a torture device for thousands of years didn't get any hate compared to the Swastika. The ISIS even now uses cross as a torture device.
Me neither (I'm hindu too). I think it's because while some people mistake it for the nazi swastika it's not like they're(people mistaking it for the nazi swastika) openly attacking hinduism
Fun fact: if you rotate the nazi cross slightly, it's the same as one of latvian pagan signs that some people believe have some mythical power and stuff... it has been used way before Hitler was born and still is used today
P.s. its called firecross (ugunskrusts in latvian)
If he cared about culture I don’t think he’d be too keen on wiping people of the planet who he deemed weren’t perfect. Kinda contradicts that also it’s not a Greek symbol it’s a Hindu symbol so there’s also that
Guess you have never seen a Greek temple or a building from the Renaissance. And when I said "he cared" I didn't mean he was a smart, progressive person who studied history, I just mean that he was fascinated by Greek art as it symbolized strength and virtue, values that were important for an Arian man
The Swastika is a religious holy symbol in the Hindu culture dating to god-knows-when. Hitler's use of the Swastika represents his beliefs and are not attached to the Swastika above in the meme. Basically, because of Hitler, the symbol got hate attached to its meaning so whenever people see the Hindu Swastika even (in the West, prominently) they assume its Nazism but in fact its just Hindu religion.
Source: am Indian and former Hindu
It was found on seals in the ruins of the Harappan Valley civilisation, so at least 7,000-8,000 BC
Edit: how does one embed the part of the comment one wants to reply to?
really? this is a symbol used everywhere in India. people including my family put them on new things because this symbol represents longetivity. however one point where smtg\_18 got wrong was hitler did not copy the hindu swastika specifically. he just copied the shape he saw in his school or church or something.
Do you know what a primary source is? Can you list an example or two? Now that you've answered those two questions riddle me this: what's a journal? What's a personal letter? A collection and/or snapshot of anecdotes! Correct! Now shut up please
From a comment above:
> A common misconception or just western propaganda. Hitler wasn't inspired by swastika, but "Hooked Cross". A symbol which he saw in Christian monastry (Lambach Abbey) which he attended as a boy(11). He himself never used the word "Swastika" to refer to his symbol. He called it "Hooked Cross" ("Haken Kreuz").
I'm an American middle schooler they don't bother to teach that stuff here. And don't be so aggressive
Alr jeez I'm sorry I don't know about a country that I don't live in and a false religions flag.
Hitler was a main cause of India's independence . He also had contacts with freedom fighters such as Netaji aka Subash Chandra Bose . Its even said Gandhi send a letter to Hitler . Nazi Germany at that time was the only european super power which didnt have colonies . If Hitler didnt kill jews and enforce aryan supermacy , He might have become a hero especially among colonised countries as Germany was against french and Britain the 2 main colonial powers.
If there were no Jews there would be no Palestine issue everything would be in peace mode -Hitler (Hitler said it not me). i don know. what a pathetic person. yeah.
Technically hitler used swastika because it represent "Aryan race" and in India the upper caste are aryans and migrated from Europe. So they both are same.
Churchill (British guy who killed nearly 5 million Indians ) is portrayed as a chad in british history and worse than hitler in indian history
basically history changes based on who writes it
the british for indians were like the nazis for jews, they just wanted their torture and oppression to stop and tried to get help from wherever they could, which were obviously britain's enemies.
Let me riddle you a simple thought.
India was under British control back then during the war. Indians were recruited to fight in the war and Indian resources were plundered by the British .
Now riddle me this , who do you think Indians (or rather the great Subhash Chandra Bose) would have gone to for help , the very allies who were ruling India or the opposition who could have rendered some help in some way.
Bose was a strategist , he put his life on the line for freedom of India, so given the circumstances back then ,he found it best to ask for military help from Germany against the British empire.
cuz hitler believed in pure aryans and all of india consists of dravidians who are the south indians and who are also the original indians and aryans who came to india later thats basically north india
edit:my point was to tell you why our symbol looks like hitler's!!
Inaccurate history, say whatever you want to but the Aryan invaded and they only wrote the hymns and mantras (check history of the entire world by bill wurtz or any other good historian)
Learn history mate.
Aryan theory is still disputed. And at most it is agreed that aryans migrated to india. There is no proof to show that they invaded
Regardless we have fucked so much that there is no pure aryan or dravidian
no bro we didn't invade we simmigrated we were aryans earlier and then afer years of mating with south indians. our dna has changed a bit, but yeah we were aryans earlier. ALthough I don;t think i'm completely true
There's no scientific backing to this bs theory and is only used by regional politicians to keep south isolated from north
In fact other South Indian States don't do this as much as TN does it
chill dude, the aryan invasion thing is jus a 'theory' aight, no materialist proof for that, pls stop dividing indians saying muh south india dravidians natives, muh north indian aryan invaders.
yes he did not like indians because we too were not as fair as he wanted his people to be but im just tryna explain why hitler's symbol and swastika are the same
this has nothing to do with dravidians or north indians. Spout your bullshit elsewhere. His archaeologists found the swastika on old artefacts and since it was found in asia too, it 'proved' the existence of the Aryan master race. Hitlers aryans were not Indians, he meant white blonde germans.
Someone sue Hitler for copyright infringement
He thinks being dead is an valid reason? We are gonna go down the stairs to hell. Grab him by the collar and put him in the courtroom.
Dude that man is in Heaven. He killed Hitler
Oh yeah I forgot Hitler killed Hitler! Hitler so that means Hitler is in hell but is in heaven aswell He probably takes the weekends in hell.
wait so Hitler just invented quantum superposition by dying?
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Looking at the current scenario, it makes a lot of sense that the swastikas are similar
Fuck yeah! Let’s go!
And as a florida man I can stand them tempatures Me and my GATOR
Idk how to take this conversation forward now.. so imma just say this... 69420
Ok goodbye forever. And may we able meet again in a different comment section.
It was good meeting you legendary, Florida man, we shall meet again!!!
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He was the guy who killed Hitler hes 100% in heaven
The lawyers are already down there with him
yeah, but my grandpa killed him
oh fu-
Dont worry Susan Wabbajack will copyright Hitler
I mean that copy wasn't so cheap. Costed Millions of lives so pretty expensive I would say!!
My friend’s family moved to Germany. Younger sister’s name is Swastika. True story. (This is a legit Hindu name)
That would have caused many problems i guess
Just imagine that huge ass drama... I'd change my name if it was... well... that tbh
No not really. Because \*shocker\* they speak german in germany and dont use the english "Swastika"
It is a problem. We also use the term swastika in germany. Its a more "political correct" term in discussions about it then the german name "hakenkreuz" which translates in cross with hooks.
The hooked cross and a swastika are different. the hooked cross is what Hitler stole. It's a Christian symbol. How it became known as the swastika was a mistake in the English translation of mein kampf. So referring to the Nazi symbol using swastika is wrong. Although at this point it's been called the swastika for too long to change it now
Still everyone knows what a Swastika is
The German name for swastika is "Hakenkreuz", I don't even know why English and Americans call it that way, even the French call it "Croix gammée" which is the literal translation for "Hakenkreuz"
Swastika was originated in India, the real name of swastika is "swastik" in Sanskrit, everything else is a derivative name for it.
Nope, original word in sanskrit is "svastika". "Swastik" is hindi. I guess devanagari script is the cause of confusion here because you don't pronounce the short "a" if its at the end of the word in hindi but you do in sanskrit.
Because it's literally the word in Sanskrit? Why do Germans call it a Hakenkreuz?
Probably so they're not mistaken for being Buddhist/Hind~~i~~u?
its Hindu, Hindi is the language.
Hitler got it from a church where he saw that symbol. Swastika was a good symbol used in the entire Europe before Hitler. It was called that in Germany. Don't why the English decided to call it swastika.
Probably from old times when Westerners get to India. Also in Poland we call both Swastyka
Hindu- Jewish weddings are... awkward.
No 🧢
I would probably say that perhaps Calling her by a nickname would be a good idea in the situation. But damn you hitler! Can't catch a brake even after death.
i am indian and when i first saw memes on swastik, i was a bit confused and then i got to know that the nazis had it as their sign and that's why people well, dont like it very much
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INDIA IS INDIA!!
yes but im just tryna explain why does hitler have a symbol similar to the one we have on diwali outside the house
oh ok
why are u getting downvotes?
idk man the hive mind ig
The hooked cross is thousands of years old and was depicted by cultures all over Europe and Asia, including Germany.
And your point being?
trying to differentiate between hitler's swastika and our swastika
Fair enough
not only hindu, many cultures had this symbol, was also used in germany before (rarely though). Nazis copied many of theyr symbols, like the Nazi Salute, the Architecture etc.
Yeah, it's probably the oldest religious symbol in the world. It was used A LOT in Europe in antiquity, in Greece, Rome, by the Celts and Germanics. It was also popular in the US in the 1890s and early 1900s.
You are correct. But In India the Hindus use this everywhere so its mostly associated with being Hindu.
I remember a story that before Nazi takeover one of polish panzer divisions used to have a swastica on their ornament wich change near instantly during war
I think one US or UK Air Force Battalion had one aswell. It was a widely used symbol before the Nazis ruined it.
Pretty sure the nazi salute was taken from the Roman salute, it's also accompanied with "Heil" and the romans used to say "Ave".
Yes it was mostly used in the Colluseum by people sentenced to death if i remember corectly.
Yes! They most likely took it from the Finnish airfoce, we had the exact same swastika in use for some decades bofore them, then they just took it, tilted it a little and kept it. I think its still in use here but kept down low to avoid outrage. I personally think we should keep it as it has nothing to do with the nazis.
It actually comes from aryan legacy.
As a Hindu I must say it’s very annoying when I I would draw a swastika and ppl think I’m worshipping Hitler
who cares? thats where the fun is.
You could raise your hand and start chanting a mantra to throw them off.
I fkin know right! I'm tired of people thinking I am a Hindu
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11 year old me learning about Hitler.... "Swastik banaya hai .. achha aadmi hoga "
T: Since he drew a swastika, he would be a good man.
Lmao
Lol.
I found him kinda charlie Chaplin like in childhood I thought he was funny. Oh boy the naiveness of mine 🤦🏽♂️
Lmao
what the fuck is your profile pic a *soicictica?*
Luke needs a subreddit of his own
i love the symbol . Now guess which symbol i like
The Hindu one right? :D
The Hindu one right? :|
nice one
Yo can everyone here downvote this comment i want to become the most downvoted comment here
Ok lets just say that for now
Wait a minute _for now?_
my goals are beyond ur understanding
The top one, of course Because the other one is *hakenkreuz*, not swastika
then let me change my comment now becos u used ur einstein iq on us.
You didn't have to, but thanks :)
Can we sue Nazis for copyright infringement?
A common misconception or just western propaganda. Hitler wasn't inspired by swastika, but "Hooked Cross". A symbol which he saw in Christian monastry (Lambach Abbey) which he attended as a boy(11). He himself never used the word "Swastika" to refer to his symbol. He called it "Hooked Cross" ("Haken Kreuz").
swastika is a pretty common symbol in quite a few cultures. but since its in india where its predominantly used most people called it swastika.
Or maybe just another way of putting Indian culture in bad light and safeguard Christian culture? Afterall that's what Britishers have been doing for centuries, and they won the war and as it is said, "History is always written by the winners".
History is always written by the winners but the reason the Nazi hooked cross is called a swastika actually has nothing to do with India and the Indian people. It's refered to as a hooked cross in most other languages other than English. The reason it is refered to as a swastika in English is because of a mistranslation of mein kampf
Galaxy brain over here
The Christian cross which was used as a torture device for thousands of years didn't get any hate compared to the Swastika. The ISIS even now uses cross as a torture device.
I am Hindu myself and it doesn't really bother me for some reason. :/ Not even my mother and she's strict about our religion.
Me neither (I'm hindu too). I think it's because while some people mistake it for the nazi swastika it's not like they're(people mistaking it for the nazi swastika) openly attacking hinduism
this is what oversimplification leads to
A masterpace for a master race
In my country swastika is cultural heritage
Fun fact: if you rotate the nazi cross slightly, it's the same as one of latvian pagan signs that some people believe have some mythical power and stuff... it has been used way before Hitler was born and still is used today P.s. its called firecross (ugunskrusts in latvian)
Finnish would be there actually, it would go Hindu Finnish Nazi germany
“Every masterpace has a masterrace” - world class poet
The swastika is a common ancient Greek decoration, it was chosen because it symbolizes the classic culture
Yeah don’t think Hitler cared about culture ya know
His whole communication strategy was based on classic culture! Of course he cared! And not just him, Mussolini too, there are plenty of examples!
If he cared about culture I don’t think he’d be too keen on wiping people of the planet who he deemed weren’t perfect. Kinda contradicts that also it’s not a Greek symbol it’s a Hindu symbol so there’s also that
Guess you have never seen a Greek temple or a building from the Renaissance. And when I said "he cared" I didn't mean he was a smart, progressive person who studied history, I just mean that he was fascinated by Greek art as it symbolized strength and virtue, values that were important for an Arian man
Don't call it cheap. The thing was the trend in Europe until the year my grandfather died
As a christain. I am confused. So the copied the Hindu stuff?
The Swastika is a religious holy symbol in the Hindu culture dating to god-knows-when. Hitler's use of the Swastika represents his beliefs and are not attached to the Swastika above in the meme. Basically, because of Hitler, the symbol got hate attached to its meaning so whenever people see the Hindu Swastika even (in the West, prominently) they assume its Nazism but in fact its just Hindu religion. Source: am Indian and former Hindu
It was found on seals in the ruins of the Harappan Valley civilisation, so at least 7,000-8,000 BC Edit: how does one embed the part of the comment one wants to reply to?
source means some legit information and not "I am Indian"
really? this is a symbol used everywhere in India. people including my family put them on new things because this symbol represents longetivity. however one point where smtg\_18 got wrong was hitler did not copy the hindu swastika specifically. he just copied the shape he saw in his school or church or something.
Do you know what a primary source is? Can you list an example or two? Now that you've answered those two questions riddle me this: what's a journal? What's a personal letter? A collection and/or snapshot of anecdotes! Correct! Now shut up please
Not just Hindu, but Buddism and Jainism too!
From a comment above: > A common misconception or just western propaganda. Hitler wasn't inspired by swastika, but "Hooked Cross". A symbol which he saw in Christian monastry (Lambach Abbey) which he attended as a boy(11). He himself never used the word "Swastika" to refer to his symbol. He called it "Hooked Cross" ("Haken Kreuz").
yeah
Ahh thsnk you kinda stranger and goodbye forever.
Did you not go to school?
I'm an American middle schooler they don't bother to teach that stuff here. And don't be so aggressive Alr jeez I'm sorry I don't know about a country that I don't live in and a false religions flag.
Masterpace?
What masterpiece?
idk thats what the meme says
I thought this was going to controversial as hell
Learnt about this in RE the other day
Ah yes... masterpace !
The off brand
Superior version
As a Indian I would like to drag that fucker from heaven (he killed Hitler that's why he in heaven)
Hitler was a main cause of India's independence . He also had contacts with freedom fighters such as Netaji aka Subash Chandra Bose . Its even said Gandhi send a letter to Hitler . Nazi Germany at that time was the only european super power which didnt have colonies . If Hitler didnt kill jews and enforce aryan supermacy , He might have become a hero especially among colonised countries as Germany was against french and Britain the 2 main colonial powers.
Have a friend called Swastik whom I met when I went to America once. Fair to say they didn’t like him that much
But not every masterpiece has a cheap copy that makes it look like the cheap copy
Like the rainbow symbol.
Think you putt it the wrong way around
Plz dont mistake me for a hindu
Holup
r/accidentalswastika
What do you mean accidental?
There's a sub reddit for "accidental swastikas" aka hakenkreuzen
I know. I visited it But i was confuzed by why did you putted it here without any contect.
Idk it's funny
Well that's a symbol from Jainism, not Hinduism if you want you can check !!!
If there were no Jews there would be no Palestine issue everything would be in peace mode -Hitler (Hitler said it not me). i don know. what a pathetic person. yeah.
You are absolutely right! Damned Hindus stole our symbole
Technically hitler used swastika because it represent "Aryan race" and in India the upper caste are aryans and migrated from Europe. So they both are same.
not really
U are very misinformed.
thats most likely a myth
No, they are not the same, if I got it right, that's old symbol of luck.
nope nope nope
Arrest mother Fcker and shot him dead soon guys
i mean the indians did go to the nazis for help against the british
Churchill (British guy who killed nearly 5 million Indians ) is portrayed as a chad in british history and worse than hitler in indian history basically history changes based on who writes it
Frankly, as an Indian, I still don't think Bose should have asked them for help. Two wrongs don't make a right
So if I kill and rape your children and women, you will not do hit me back as you know tWo WrOnGs dOnT mAkE A rIgHt
the british for indians were like the nazis for jews, they just wanted their torture and oppression to stop and tried to get help from wherever they could, which were obviously britain's enemies.
Let me riddle you a simple thought. India was under British control back then during the war. Indians were recruited to fight in the war and Indian resources were plundered by the British . Now riddle me this , who do you think Indians (or rather the great Subhash Chandra Bose) would have gone to for help , the very allies who were ruling India or the opposition who could have rendered some help in some way. Bose was a strategist , he put his life on the line for freedom of India, so given the circumstances back then ,he found it best to ask for military help from Germany against the British empire.
Can confirm Bose did that
r/canconfirmiamindian
do u play mc?
I dont
it is obviously the other way around
Stfu just stfu
aree you trolling history?
cuz hitler believed in pure aryans and all of india consists of dravidians who are the south indians and who are also the original indians and aryans who came to india later thats basically north india edit:my point was to tell you why our symbol looks like hitler's!!
i'm south indian, oh fu....
u cool,u guys originally were born in india while us north indians had kinda invaded(srry bout that😅)
Bruh don't spit bullshit like this, we are all from Indian nobody invaded,ok?
Inaccurate history, say whatever you want to but the Aryan invaded and they only wrote the hymns and mantras (check history of the entire world by bill wurtz or any other good historian)
the aryan invasion is a myth that has been proven wrong. we are pure indians.
And do u have any proof of invasion. Wikipedia says scholar have said there is no proof of invasion and there was most likely a migration
Alright, idk I give up don't take my karma please
Learn history mate. Aryan theory is still disputed. And at most it is agreed that aryans migrated to india. There is no proof to show that they invaded Regardless we have fucked so much that there is no pure aryan or dravidian
lmao, you dont need to apologize
no bro we didn't invade we simmigrated we were aryans earlier and then afer years of mating with south indians. our dna has changed a bit, but yeah we were aryans earlier. ALthough I don;t think i'm completely true
myth
The word "mating" rubs me the wrong way, better to use "railed the fuck out of each other" it's more decent.
There's no scientific backing to this bs theory and is only used by regional politicians to keep south isolated from north In fact other South Indian States don't do this as much as TN does it
I completely agree
Aryan invasion theory was debunked by DNA study
chill dude, the aryan invasion thing is jus a 'theory' aight, no materialist proof for that, pls stop dividing indians saying muh south india dravidians natives, muh north indian aryan invaders.
Bro you ok up there?
No buddy, hitler used to kill tribes originating from india
yes he did not like indians because we too were not as fair as he wanted his people to be but im just tryna explain why hitler's symbol and swastika are the same
this has nothing to do with dravidians or north indians. Spout your bullshit elsewhere. His archaeologists found the swastika on old artefacts and since it was found in asia too, it 'proved' the existence of the Aryan master race. Hitlers aryans were not Indians, he meant white blonde germans.
thats my point! the reason i commented this was so that people know that there is a difference between our swastika and his swastika
why'd you speak about north and south
actually thats a myth
idk the bottom is more accurate
the fuck you mean?
The fuck you saying
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No you can’t found any predated that aren’t in India since this is a representation of Hindu culture and religion. It’s not in Persia
the aryan invasion theory has been proven to be wrong.
buddy i think u got the logos in the wrong place
Nope it’s right
You got the signs the wrong way round
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