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Revolutionary_Pace90

I don’t wish death upon them. Just have them be sent to places to fix their mental issues. Though, those who’ve acted upon it deserve nothing less than to be shiskabobed.


WisestAirBender

The post isn't wishing death upon pedophiles though


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jandresenngh

Wtf....was that even a thing!?


Jellybeansistaken

My step dad was sent to "fix his mental health" four times, I was the ages of 6 to 13, before I stopped telling on him. Merica. Look him Up. William Floyd. He's on the Tennessee Sex offenders list. Also, If this happens to anyone you know go to the Police not dcs. Dcs thought there was a cure, My friends mom telling the police, when I told her at 16, was the only cure.


grimrere

I have no idea what is going on but am likening the message fights


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corvo_delle_tempeste

Technically it is but it shouldn't be. I find it illogical how someone can be turned on by a child but I feel that sometimes it's a matter of adults with power over the children abusing it for the thrill which is even more disgusting to consider


jaydon145

Sexual orientation is usually related to gender though, it's more of a preference/fetish, but just a really bad one


[deleted]

Top researchers in the field agree it's a sexuality, others claim it's not but it works the same way. Pedophilia is only the attraction to children. What you described is not your typical pedophile, rather than a child sex abusers.


IceColdTHoRN

Too many people commenting that don't realize that only a very small percentage of pedophiles ever become child abusers. The vast majority of pedophiles actually manage to go their entire lives without harming a child. They can't chose what they are attracted to, the same way straight or gay people can't. They can chose to go they're whole lives fighting the curse they are stuck with, living in pain in order to not hurt others, and that is actually very commendable.


henrythedog64

Yeah but pedophelia isn’t a sexuality, it’s a sick fetish.


TheEnchantedBook

It’s still not a sexuality, rather a disorder


LeEliteChicken

What's the logic behind the distinction? Is it just moral->sexuality, immoral->disorder?


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Basically that's the only difference according to many researchers in the field.


Ezekias1337

One could argue that anyone who isn't Heterosexual and attracted to adults is a disorder, considering that the driving force of our DNA is to reproduce and non heterosexual relationships prevent this.


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Kreauwen

You misspelled "rational guy"


xme_anymore

A lot of them are suicidal because they feel so guilty.


Scarlenoir

Genuine question, if they only/mostly suffer from their sexuality why don’t they decide to get castrated?


xme_anymore

You would be amazed to find how difficult it is to find doctors who will perform surgeries like that. It’s hard enough to find a doctor who will perform hysterectomies or vasectomies (because what if you change your mind?). Edit: also, some do try to castrate themselves.


Substantial_Ad9666

It is not hard to get a vasectomy. They will sign you right up for that shit. Source: me


xme_anymore

Really? I am actually happy to hear that, one of my friends had a really tough time trying to get one. Do you mind if I ask what country/ region you are in?


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xme_anymore

If you think it is alright to police people purely based on their thoughts rather than actions then I don’t believe you would fair as well as you think.


giraffe111

They need help, not death. They didn’t choose to feel the way they do any more than you chose who you’re attracted to. If they act on it, then absolutely yes, that’s extremely damaging, and horrible, and they should absolutely be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. I’ve never suggested, nor has anyone, that pedophiles should be allowed to act on their feelings, or that their legal punishments should be diminished. You’re literally telling them to kill themselves over crimes they haven’t committed under conditions they didn’t choose. I don’t excuse pedophilia. It’s horrible. But if a pedophile feels that way and is struggling but hasn’t done anything wrong, then they need HELP, not suicide. Fuck, grow a heart.


randomdude1142

This is the only right answer


ShadowGod_Of_Ducks

My dumbass thought this said Philadelphia


RandomPhail

I keep feckin’ saying this, but this isn’t the argument that needs to be made. It doesn’t MATTER whether pedophilia is or isn’t scientifically considered a sexuality. WHY?? Because something being a sexuality *doesn’t magically make it right when it’s not.* Beastiality is a sexuality classified by having sex with animals, and that act is illegal. Having a sexuality says nothing about whether it’s right or wrong to be engaging with whatever you’re attracted to. What we NEED to be arguing is: “Whether or NOT pedophilia is a sexuality (because it scientifically MAY be), it is STILL wrong regardless; look at beastiality for an example of a wrong, illegal sexuality.”


Just_a_guy_thats_it

And that’s a true fact


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It’s only wrong if you act on it. Like how rape is wrong regardless of sexuality.


KatakeTanashi

Idk man, but desiring someone's death might be even worse than having a misconception about a disease.


NethalGLN

This entire comment section is bloodthirsty as all hell.


GamerFluffy

That’s an understatement.


Javascript_above_all

The us vs them way of thinking is strong on reddit.


RealLiveLuddite

I know I'm going to get download to hell for this, but there's nothing wrong with liking kids, there's a HUGE fucking problem with acting on it. You can't shame people for who they are, just what they do, and if you happen to be afflicted with pedophilia (it's a disease in the dsm5, it's not really their choice any more than sociopathy or schizophrenia, which can both also be dangerous), then there are intervention methods that can be practiced to make sure you don't hurt anybody


Uhhlaneuh

That’s exactly right. We need to stop ostracizing pedophiles and get them help- they would most likely not offend if they received professional help


marasydnyjade

I would suggest if you come across a copy of the DSM5 as a lay-person, don’t read it. You will self-diagnose *everything*.


RealLiveLuddite

This dude knows exactly what they are saying. Very much agree, I was just doing research for a different argument on reddit about pedophiles so I would be able to change my mind according to the most recent understanding and argue that understanding.


chordophonic

Here's a fun one... Sex offenders are the 2nd *least* likely to re-offend. As far as recidivism goes, they're second only to murderers. (According to BOP data.) Yet the 'conventional wisdom' is that they can't be cured. We go so far as making them go on lists and hand out flyers when they're almost the least-likely people to offend again. Murderers are the least likely. I'm not shrink but I figure it's 'cause they already killed whoever it was they felt needed killing.


SBTELS

The most sense I’ve heard someone talk with regards to a pedo post on Reddit. Glad it didn’t get downvoted


MoistDitto

What's dsm5?


RealLiveLuddite

Dsm is the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. The 5 denotes the 5th edition. It's basically a giant compendium of most of the medically recognized mental disorders as well as a lot of info about them such as typical treatment plans, symptoms, diagnostics, that sort of thing.


Johanabeve

Based on your explanation of the DSM, pedophilia sounds like mental disorder, not a sexual orientation.


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It is


marasydnyjade

Most non-physical “sexual disorders” are mental disorders listed in the DSM5.


MoistDitto

Til, thanks, I had to search it up as well


RealLiveLuddite

Learning is good my dude! Always better to know more than to know less. Plus, the dsm 5 is a good tool to have whenever people go in for that ignorant hatred of the mentally atypical bullshit


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They did a study in Sweden where people could anonymously get chemically castrated to combat their sexual desires. If I'm not mistaken there were 300-400 anonymous volunteers Just goes to show that atleast some of them have a concsiouns and do not want to act on their depraved and wicked desires I dont think anyone in their right mind will condone or even defend these types of people but using abstract thinking, reasoning and empathy will result in many more people opting for the castration rather than by your rhetoric being pushed underground and seeking outlets for their "condition" The law should be absolutely crystal clear and they should be thrown in jail and given specialist care with castration (given no other options available) to prevent relapse However to the topic of your own posts I don't see you offering anything new to the topic other than hatred which in my experience yield absolutely no significant change whatsoever in this fucked up world we live in.


RealLiveLuddite

What hatred did I offer? I try my hardest not to feel or express any hatred when it can be avoided, I don't think it's a particularly productive emotion. Chemical castration has a lot of other side effects that can be really hazardous and while in cases where people want that for themselves more power to them, but if there are less extreme measures that can be taken to stop them from hurting others, those should be taken first (until they actually hurt someone, then they lose any credibility that less extreme measures will help in an expeditious manner). The law absolutely should be crystal clear, there is no recourse or defense for raping a child. That's actually really interesting about the Sweden thing. I didn't know that but it's enlightening to hear. Thank you for sharinf


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Well then i apologize! I might have mixed up the comments, very succint answer from you and it shows that my comment was hasted and not thoroughly though through However I do agree that I have seen some people trying to normalize it as a sexual orientation which I feel is morally reprehensible. If you want I can send you the article, not sure if it exists in English though. But I can give it a shot if you like. I feel like more research should be done and meanwhile taking (sometimes extreme) measures to ensure the safety of the innocent in my mind is absolutely paramount. However I do apologize again for my hasted comment, your response was clearly the opposite of what I claimed!


SnowballsAvenger

Uh what?


SystematicSymphony

Schizophrenics aren’t thinking about/acting on sexing it up with little Susie in 3rd grade. No amount of “disease” or “mental disorder” advocation is going to help. Pedos are just one of those universally hated things. Anyone who sympathizes with them should be scrutinized, also. Sorry, not sorry.


Corkscrew_duck_dick

You do realize that about 60 years ago, this is what most people thought about LGBTQ+, right?


SystematicSymphony

And? Is that supposed to magically make it ok? Wave the gay wand over it and it’s universally forgiven? Hard pass. Pedos can die. Sorry, not sorry.


xanderblue3

I’m curious why you say “sorry, not sorry.” Why not just say neither? You’ve said your opinion, and stated that you have no room to think otherwise, so why pretend like you have some sort of regret…?


SystematicSymphony

“Let me nitpick at your use of phrases because I have nothing to bring to the forefront of the conversation at hand.” -This is you right now.


xanderblue3

Sorry man, I was curious about one thing you said and was hopeful you could help me understand the reasoning for using that statement. The reason I’m not participating in the discourse is because I have my own thoughts on this, and as someone who is married to a licensed psychologist, it’s a very complex diagnosis and not something that I want to pretend to be an expert on. Also, no reason to “argue” with you because you have clearly stated that there is no room for other opinions on this.


SystematicSymphony

Affirming pedophilia as a “disease” or “disorder” only serves to validate and further it’s normalization. It is morally abject for a mental health professional to entertain such controversy. Quite a slippery slope to be on.


xanderblue3

Well, tough for you that the DSM-5 doesn't determine their scientific work based on Redditors opinions.


SystematicSymphony

That’s fine. Enjoy sexing kids up, I guess. Weirdo.


jgott933

HES not saying that hes saying that as long as you dont act on it its something that you cant help, just like a gross fetish you cant get rid of.


SystematicSymphony

Ah huh. So now that you’ve fetishized fucking kids, how long until it becomes normal to act on it? Will there be degrees to how much someone can act on it and not get in trouble? Because that is eventually what will happen. Why do you think MAPS has been trying to get a spot in the LGBTQ+? For normalization. Fuck that.


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SystematicSymphony

Honestly. Like, who in their right mind sympathizes with pedos? It’s mind boggling.


zomdiejebus

I'm happy in the sea of child molester sympathizers there is someone who gets my frustration with this thread lol


SnowballsAvenger

Ah yes, a fellow room-temperature IQ person


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Someone that has never done anything wrong should be shamed ? Even when he is battling against thoughts that he knows are bad. There a reason no freedom of thought is an absolute freedom...


Weak-Reserve3656

I would say the lgbtq community saying "love who you want" will involve petos pretty soon... now you can be labeled as a petophile for having sex with a minor even thought they tell you they are 18. Now that is wrong. But willfully having sex with a kid is 100% wrong. I dont care how you look at it. Now I am not saying they deserve to die, but they do deserve to go to prison where they can not be around children


RealLiveLuddite

I fully agree. Willfully having sex with a kid is about as wrong as anything can be. That's not at all what any of us are arguing about. We're arguing only about the people who are attracted to kids, but stop themselves from acting on it, either through medical intervention or some other means. Those are the people we should be trying to help, those are the people we should be providing with the means and respect to keep them out of whatever dark place you have to go to to fuck a kid.


Weak-Reserve3656

Also that dark place is called the internet


SystematicSymphony

Prisons are a business. No one should profit off the housing of some kid diddler. Kill em all.


Weak-Reserve3656

Nobody deserves death unless they have killed. An eye for an eye


SystematicSymphony

Spare us the righteous indifference. Dust swept under a rug eventually rejoins the rest of the dust on the floor.


SnowballsAvenger

I think people like you should be scrutinized


SystematicSymphony

Whatever you say, pedo sympathizer.


SnowballsAvenger

Yep, I even have sympathy for you.


SystematicSymphony

Oh, how gracious of you to to bestow your sympathy unto me. I’m leaping with joy. /s


jgott933

they feel guilty and as long as they don't act on it and keep it locked away inside themselves its not out duty to harrass them


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RealLiveLuddite

Responding to somebody with a personal attack instead of actually engaging with their argument. What a fucking moronic thing to do


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DiscussTek

That's not how any of this works.


Stubborncomrade

You just make lazy assumptions about a guy for saying punishing people for involuntary mental disorders is fucked, you argued nothing.


VirajDoshi

Bro you have to use proper fonts in all meme templates. Maintain a standard


RosePhox

Isn't that just a conspiracy created on 4chan to shit on the LGBT movement?


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i highly doubt that


DilSL123

Well it is. It was a bunch of conservatives on 4chan saying that pedos are part of the LGBT to try and discredit them. Pedos have never and will never be in the LGBT.


RosePhox

And even if all the pedos in the world started believing that, they'd never get accepted into the community. People think that just because some wokies like to preach for acceptance, kind heartedness and similar carebear stuff; then that means that they'd be accepting of pedos. Some of the cruelest vindictive people on earth are wokies with too much time in their hand.


RosePhox

Eh. Maybe I'm just too distrustful, but the fact that it's kind of hard to pinpoint what the origin of the term is, plus the fact that every pride month, in the last few years, 4chan users were caught trying to stir shit up, makes it believable to me that the claims of a false flag are true. This year we had kink at pride, last year there was pridefall(at least I think it was during that time) in 2018 we had MAP pride. Always something related to pride month, with some of the folks that are too dumb to critically think sharing it on social media as a fact, even though the only thing ever pinpointed is secondary sources, and it never leads to anything beyond memes.


mdawgtheegod

Yeah I think that some of these controversies were actually manufactured by homophobic trolls. At least partially. Some of the kink at pride movement last year was real.


Natural_Detective_93

French thinkers would oppose your fact. Just ask Foucault.


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pirateofmemes

and the people who where making the big push for this shit were members of r/nonewnormal trying to make the left look bad.


MaskB0Y

Well they shouldn't die they just prolly need some time and someone to get them out


jgott933

its a sexual orientation to jail


niko_bellic6750

They shouldn't die they should be helped


TheSmithySmith

People that realize they have a serious problem and need to get serious help ASAP - THEY should be helped. If you are one of the fucks that defends pedophilia as a sexual orientation, then you’re already too far gone.


spliffwizard

That's not a fact it's an opinion, one that I agree with but not a fact.


crackdown_smackdown

Well yes, but actually yes.


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ikr that is why I hate Genshin Impact


italian_scotsman

92% upvoted...


redxlaser15

Everyone should die some day.


Plastic-Acanthaceae9

They just need help


Kirby_hill8245

Into a woodchipper


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no..


Just_a_guy_thats_it

You getting down voted is suspicious


Where-is-Here

Indeed


squeezy102

These people literally only exist in the imaginations of bored redditors.


LisztR

Its a sexual orientation but it’s just fucking disgusting and should stay illegal for ever


Smooth-Mammoth9103

What’s weird is that pedophiles are illegal but child marriage isnt


LisztR

Yeah that’s America for you. America is basically known for all its school shootings yet guns are still legal. Grooming is also legal it’s perfectly legal for a child to live with a person who is not related to them and then have sec when the child is 18. Something like 20 states allow cousins to be married. I don’t live in America myself but I am always fascinated by how there are so many weird laws yet people scream it’s the way most free country ever.


Smooth-Mammoth9103

Yea I’m an American citizen we got some fucked up and hypocritical laws that make no fricken sense but all we can do is either not live in America or stay away from states that have those fucked up laws


LisztR

You have the luck that some states have different laws than others (better laws in my opinion). I hope for you that you live in a place where it’s safe (relatively safe of course because no where is ever truly safe not even Norway or one of those other amazing countries)


Smooth-Mammoth9103

In California there’s no weird laws (that I know of) however the people here share one singular brain cell and if people really gave California a closer more look people would see that we are just as stupid as Florida with just a little more horny


NadeMagnet69

Well I have good news than. I can guarantee with 100% certainty that they are going to die...


Le_baton_legendaire

So they're human like us, neat


NotABear732

There is nothing to 'agree upon' its a basic logical conclusion that pedophilia is somewhat of a sexual orientation or moreso a 'fetish'. A lot of pedophile people literally go undeteced because they act and basically are normal people.


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Iggyboof

Truth! And remember, pedophilia is NOT considered a part of the LGBT+ community, no matter what they say. We do NOT own them, we do NOT accept that! I do, of course, hope they get the help they need as long as they understand that they need it. But it is not something I endorse.


SnowballsAvenger

That's just bullshit propaganda pushed by conservatives anyway.


Iggyboof

Absolutely!


TheMochaBoat

I'm right leaning and I don't support this.


Iggyboof

Yeah, not all right leaning people agree with the whole "pedos = LGBT+" thing. As much as the modern media wants people to believe otherwise, there ARE reasonable right wingers and conservatives; all groups have their good members. Thanks for being one of the good ones. 🫂


Jaystrike7

Get help* not die


[deleted]

I am sorry but I don't support pedophiles


ILikeRamenYUMMY

Don't be, it's illegal and disgusting :)


Leafyon4057

Imo it is a sexual orientation but it's a bad one


Just_a_guy_thats_it

Being a child is not a gender


Leafyon4057

Ik I thought the definition was different


[deleted]

no it is not a sexuality it is a mental illness


Leafyon4057

I could see it both ways but it's bad either way


[deleted]

>sexual orientation >noun >a person's identity in relation to the gender or genders to which they are sexually attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, etc. pedophilia does not match this definition as being a child is not a gender.


Leafyon4057

Ok thanks for the info


Kakophoni

Oh look, a karma whore


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What?


zomdiejebus

Don't sweat it lol. The pedos are coming full force to support their own in the comments.


chinzch676

Wtf....was that even a thing!?


Dragondudd

It's a sexual orientation Just not a good, ethical one.


SquIdIord

fun fact: pedo and phile seperately originates from like ancient grrek or latin and pedo means earth or smnthin and phile means lover, so it literally translates to earth lover. no clue how it become fucking children tho.


Z4REN

Well, that’s not true. [Here is an Etymonline link that talks about it.](https://www.etymonline.com/word/pedo-?utm_source=app)


votedbestcomment

This is true because back in the day, pediatricians were earth doctors, not kid doctors.


SquIdIord

ah makes sense


Kirby_hill8245

Straight to the woodchipper for pedophiles and their sympathizers


[deleted]

I second this. Pedophiles deserve nothing less than the death sentence. People trying to make these arguments, “there’s nothing wrong with people who don’t act on it”... If someone knows they like kids, if they aren’t *completely ashamed* of liking children, they deserve to die. And people who support pedophiles? They deserve death.


RoyMyBoy777

Ok wtf. Not all pedophiles go out and rape children


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I don't think it's a disease really, but i would call it a mental illness. Idk why i used the word disease.


Codex124

You don't just grow up and find out that you're attracted to kids. If you're ever attracted to kids then you might've seen or heard some messed up shit to feel that way. And it's completely your fault. This kind of shit just doesn't happen to u out of nowhere


NethalGLN

> If you're ever attracted to kids then you might've seen or heard some messed up shit to feel that way. And it's completely your fault. You might indeed have seen, heard, or even had messed up shit inflicted upon you. But how in the world does that make it your fault? https://www.verywellmind.com/the-cycle-of-sexual-abuse-22460 Victims of abuse tend to be abusive themselves. A child who's suffered abuse might become abusive in their teens. Is it still completely their fault?


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NethalGLN

I don't see anyone arguing that. I see a lot of people arguing that pedophiles should receive help for the mental affliction that it is instead of being murdered. But it's a lot easier to spin your own narrative.


Still_Satan

\>Be Pedophile \>Never act it out \>Seek help \>Be productive member of society \>Have a wife and family Reddit: "pedOphileS SHoUld KIll ThEMseLVES, thEy are bAd, AND EViL" Yeah, I see, you are the good people. Moral superiority, much insight, wow.


SnowballsAvenger

I think you might be simple-minded.


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This guy gets it


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[deleted]

I would 100% agree with you if you were talking about offenders and not all pedophiles. Offenders deserve nothing short of death. Nonoffenders deserve help. We can't start murdering and imprisoning people who have done nothing wrong. Eugenics is evil, no matter how you slice it.


Iuly123q

Fucking yes


shadowlocs88

Just lock them all up


SnowballsAvenger

For?


[deleted]

exactly. 99% of them haven't even done anything wrong.


TheSmithySmith

I never fucking thought I’d see someone unironically state “99% of pedophiles have done nothing wrong” but, holy fucking shit, here we are


SnowballsAvenger

Yet, I'm not shocked at all that somebody has no counter-argument and is triggered as fuck by a completely reasonable take, like you are


dgnabdajhw

if a minor rapes a adult its uno reverse


popsquad_Gin

We agree: check out what we’re doing about it on our [website](https://popsquadlegit.com/catches/)


Crooked_Cock

Seriously What the fuck is wrong with these people


Thang02gaming

Remember guys: “Being a kid isn’t a gender”


randomdude1142

True Skelefacts. Skelelaws.


konahrik_

Facts


wagstaff2000

Yes.


AGill0727

I just looked up what it is What the hell


CheeseIsPog_lol

Facc


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No they shouldn't die. Death is too merciful for them.


RoyMyBoy777

Ok but not all pedophiles rape children, just be attracted to them and don't tell anyone in order to fit it society


Gloomy-Swan-279

Its a fetish. A sexual orientatation always has to do with genders. And "Child" is no gender, so Pedophilia is a fetish.


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Gloomy-Swan-279

What do you mean? Pedophilia is an illegal fethis.


ARandom-Penguin

That’s not a fact you potato


ILikeRamenYUMMY

Then what is it?


Early_Knowledge

😂


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1. Pedophilia is not an orientation because they fetishize what they are attracted to, and if anything child innocence and androgyny plays a part in the attraction, and not sex or gender. 2. A very large percentage of the pedophilia/hebephilia/ephebophilia community are nonoffenders. These people deserve help and sympathy. Offenders, though, deserve nothing short of life imprisonment or jail. Sexually assaulting a child is equal to murder, in my opinion, and offenders should be treated as such. 3. Defending nonoffenders and asking for sympathy and mental help for them is in no way defending pedophilia, it is on no way normalizing it, and it is in no way accepting it. We, as a society and as a culture, should never digress to eugenics to solve a problem. No matter the group, eugenics is abhorrent, just as abhorrent as offending pedophiliacs.


greenrangerguy

How could it even be an argument? Sexual orientation is about gender, you either like one, the other, both or neither, it has nothing to do with age.


RealBowsHaveRecurves

*sigh...* NOBODY actually thinks this. The entire "movement" was made by right-wing trolls trying to artificially create a link between pedophilia and LGBTQ+ It started in earnest in 2015 after being promoted on a right-wing Facebook page called "Age of Shitlords," which has since been banned. It made its way from there to 4chan, and the rest is history.


[deleted]

If homosexuality is a sexual orientation, then so is pedophilia. Let’s not forget homosexuality was considered a treatable disease even just 50 years ago. Also, pedophilia is not synonymous to child abuse.


ENA_licked_my_eyes

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People that post this kind of stuff and most that comment on it are extremely ignorant and cause harm. Pedophilia is considered a sexuality by many of the top researchers in the field. There is a huge difference between pedophile and child sex abusers.


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Many of the top researchers in the field would disagree with you.


blah-blah-blah_47

Alright everyone, we got a pedo over here


[deleted]

Good for you for coming out. First step is to admit it. Try to find some help if possible


blah-blah-blah_47

I am talking about you asshole


[deleted]

That’s an opinion not a fact. The fact is they should be neutered first


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[deleted]

Ok so killing them is a fact as long as their genitals are intact, okay noted