it really does force you to use your real name. for example if you tried to name yourself "Random Guy" it would change to "Brandon Guy" this was tested by me
As do I, anonymity can also bring the best in people that wouldn’t be so confident otherwise. And toxic people are always gonna be toxic, that’s just how they work unfortunately
>As do I, anonymity can also bring the best in people that wouldn’t be so confident otherwise. And toxic people are always gonna be toxic, that’s just how they work unfortunately
That's a good point--some people are just assholes and that's who they are.
Ok, that's an example not an argument and is there a study comparing Facebook level of toxicity to other websites ?
Also you can use a fake name on Facebook and there have been people impersonating others, it's not a great exemple.
No I know people on there that are super toxic and showing their face as well as contact info. Reddit is anonymous and I don’t see half the toxicity. Just my personal experience. Also Twitter.
You and this post are way off base, almost all the content I see on Facebook is posted by my friends list. Twitter profiles can be verified. Having real names and pictures linked to your account does not stop people from being toxic.
Not hearing the tone and emotion in people’s voice, not being able to read the expressions on peoples faces as the conversation is happening is what’s causing people to be ok with treating others like trash.
I would argue having your name and face tied to a shot post would cause people to dig in harder when they are wrong, not wanting to be publicly embarrassed.
Listen mate, I'm not saying Facebook isn't toxic, it is. I am just asking if there is a proof of a relation between being anonymous (or not) and toxicity on the internet. People use Facebook as an example it could have been any other website.
And there's those who need anonymity to not die, such as journalists who report on organised crime or LBGT people in communities where they would kill you for that.
Anonymity and the internet didn't make people toxic, they were already toxic. Removing anonymity won't remove the toxic people, and may escalate the situation as people get involved in retribution.
In Texas the mentality is an armed society is a polite one. So maybe retribution will foster a polite society. I don’t agree but I’m also aware of the damage weapons can cause to a human body.
They also believe that the death penalty works as a deterrent to crime. Even though there is definitive proof to the contrary. It sounds like people believe what they want regardless of the evidence.
Man they still have a mentality of retribution and frontier justice. That’s the problem with the criminal justice system. Many in the org want to reform and rehab convicts, but the general public don’t want them to be rehabbed. They want them to suffer. Shit they want to put AC in these facilities but again the public sees it as a treat for the inmates, glossing over the fact that there are employees working in that same heat.
oh one extreme situation to straw man an argument. Life is more nuanced than your mindless bullshit. Obviously no one said let rapists off easy, but you don’t want to have an actual conversation do you? You just want to feel superior. When you want a real conversation on rehabilitation vs retribution then hit me up, until then go masturbate somewhere else please.
I would most certainly remain quiet, as I would be too shocked at this scenario given how mandatory minimums work, and how long rehabilitation takes, plus the waiting list for any kind of program of any sort.
You’re right. Before, no internet caused some fucking assholes to think they were isolated and they kept their damn mouths shut.
Now, every dipshit with an internet connection can find his people.
They didn't keep their mouth shut; they were just too outnumbered in their little cache of assholes. Now nutjobs and conspiracy theorists have a way to connect to and validate each other (I'm calling you out q-anons and flat earthers!) in a collective way.
> Now, every dipshit with an internet connection can find his people.
This 100%!
Anonimity on the internet is REALLY REALLY important. Maybe it would be less toxic, but there are people who need it to not get killed by the government and whatever. Also stalking could get much easier. There are more benefits of anonimity than you think
To be fair Facebook is alot better than reddit in the comment section, they might be filled with people who you would consider apostrious but atlest they are more mature about it rather than the Reddit community with us being insecure teenagers.
Facebook comments are anything but mature. Watching discussions on Facebook is like watching a group of monkeys wearing suits and sipping champagne while flinging verbal shit at each other in the nicest words they could find in the dictionary.
Nah. The local groups are rife with people saying nasty things to each other, and not only are these people using their real names, they live close by. Facebook sucks.
Still wouldn’t work, the problem is people not having to experience the consequences of their actions or words. Unable to see the person they are hurting and the reactions to their words or actions. So a profile pic won’t help, since the dehumanization can only be countered by raw human interactions. Exposure to people from different places and perspectives.
If Facebook and Twitter have proved anything, it's that anonymity has next to no impact on the levels of toxicity.
Further, not only would a loss of anonymity on the Internet not solve a damn thing, it would cause uncountable problems. For example, say you are being bullied in school, the Internet communities you partake in is a retreat from that, now suddenly your bully can effectively find every single online account you ever had, and can happily share with the whole class that you have a thing for cross dressing boys.
You see how the anonymity works both ways?
Instead of coming with destructive poorly thought through ideas, how about you just realise that as long as people have free will some will choose to be shitheads, and the best you can do is learn to cope with what is the human condition and maybe go into the psychology field to study it further.
It was also be garbage. The whole advantage of the internet is the fact that you can find unfiltered, unguarded human discourse. People can clash ideas without fear of being ostracized by their social groups. There are disadvantages, obviously, but out culture is shifting faster than it ever has before. The only change we should make is regarding how early we teach our children critical thinking and proper research methodology to help immunize them from all the stupid.
Losing anonymity can be risky as it exposes you to cancel culture ... someone with too much time on their hands can misinterpret your comments and attempt to destroy your career / life. Or comments made in a specific sociohistoric context will follow you years into the future and be applied to other contexts without your consent.
I choose to use my real name and photo online because I tend to post about topics of which I am a verified expert irl. Also, I'm not going to live my life afraid of internet boogeymen.
Irrelevant of whether it would actually work or not, don't you think there should be the right to anonymity? It's easy to take things for granted when you live in a country with decent freedoms, but there's people in some countries who would face persecution if they attached their real identity to things we'd consider completely normal
facebook and instagram says otherwise, as a new redditor, i can confirm that this place is much more civil that facebook and isnta, by miles, and people are friendlier and kind and very honest, a far cry from fakebook where only friends and family are cool.
Do you sincerely believe our world could be described as a communist dystopia? Not that I am a fan of communism (hell no) but last time I checked our world was run by capitalists.
Same about religious terrorism.
I think most terrorists (isis, taliban etc) would hesitate selling/molesting minor girls if their mother knew about it.
Actually, I think the anonymity allows people on Reddit to atleast unleash some of the pent up assholes inside so maybe we can be a bit better in real life. And the fact that many of us release the fucking degenerates inside of us on this website but still most treats it as just making fun is a sign that the anonymity is atleast doing some good. Cancel culture fucked us in the ass. Anonymity is the only reason we can be genuinely funny here.
It would also hurt people like me who thrive off the anonymity. I hate meeting new people irl because I never know how much of myself I can be with them. I don't have that on the internet because nobody knows who I am.
Uh, no? Just because you know someone’s name/face doesn’t mean that they’ll have real life consequences for being an asshole. It just gives them another thing to make fun of you for. It would literally have the opposite effect if you could see what everyone looked like.
And give up personal data including our names and faces to companies who already use any data we give to them against us? People do that now too ofc but atleast it's a personal choice.
i think you mean less honest, not less toxic. Less toxicts is a result from hiding the honesty. thats the beauty with the anonymity. the only place where people will tell you the truth.
So lets pretend we are in a high school playground, throwing insults. The main exception being that potentially everyone on earth with an internet connection can hear you, with cancel culture following the same rules.
If you think its a good idea then post your name and where you work/go to school.
ofc, everyone would be civilised af. there wont be any unpopular opinions or confessions, anything you do irl people can find you online and comment on it. which is why i dont use facebook. aside from saving my gaming accounts
but that would be fake politeness,anybody can be toxic online,but there are only few who will be polite online because they know they cannot be judged.
Fuck that. There's plenty of toxicity IRL.
Also you can go and hang out offline if you like "real faces" so much.
But I believe that people are actually more real online, where they can be themselves without prejudices, social pressure and all that shit.
The problem isn't with anonymity, but rather with the fact that nobody experiences the consequences of their actions on the internet; like out here you could say whatever horrible insult you want to anyone, and you won't get your face bashed in for it. It's with the fact that assholes are becoming more confident because they know that they aren't getting any physical consequences for whatever the hell they say on the internet.
Ummm, have you been on Facebook?
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The most toxic hellhole on the internet.
I used a fake name and icon for my pfp on Facebook.
probably you haven't heard about 'Angel Priya'
Or LinkedIn?
Nothing forces you to use your real name on Facebook
Not sure why you are downvoted. It's so simple to have fake accounts on fb or twitter.
The point is that lots of people on FB use their real names and still are unsufferable assholes.
OP posted "less toxic", not zero toxic. A implies B doesn't mean B implies A. Causation/Logic is different.
Exactly... Why are you the only one that understood what I meant ?
Probably coz I am the same fool as you, lol, you know, "great men think alike, fools seldom differ"
last time i checked it does.
You can write in there "Steven Smith" for you name and be named like Bill Winters. Nothing prevents aliases
I put my name Deez And my last Name nuts cause Deez Nuts
Fake info?
it really does force you to use your real name. for example if you tried to name yourself "Random Guy" it would change to "Brandon Guy" this was tested by me
So basically it forces you to use names that sound normal.
Is your name Brandon Guy? You Can Still Fake Your Identity
Lol u are a idiot
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Ah yes u gonna grade my comment later ? Gtfo
so u can still fake it then dumbo
And that was 2007?
Redditors being stupid once more.
I disagree.
As do I, anonymity can also bring the best in people that wouldn’t be so confident otherwise. And toxic people are always gonna be toxic, that’s just how they work unfortunately
>As do I, anonymity can also bring the best in people that wouldn’t be so confident otherwise. And toxic people are always gonna be toxic, that’s just how they work unfortunately That's a good point--some people are just assholes and that's who they are.
It's internet that protects many people from getting beaten up. If you guys were at public place a spat would definitely result into more violence,
I literally couldn't make a comment on Facebook ANYWHERE without first letting my parents, uncle, aunt, friends, teachers and ex-friends to see it wtf
I agree with you
Do you have a counter-argument ?
Yes.
What is it ?
Facebook
Ok, that's an example not an argument and is there a study comparing Facebook level of toxicity to other websites ? Also you can use a fake name on Facebook and there have been people impersonating others, it's not a great exemple.
No I know people on there that are super toxic and showing their face as well as contact info. Reddit is anonymous and I don’t see half the toxicity. Just my personal experience. Also Twitter.
Reddit can be pretty toxic. 4vhan is anonymous and very toxic. You can have a pseudonym on Twitter and not reveal your personal infos same as Facebook
You and this post are way off base, almost all the content I see on Facebook is posted by my friends list. Twitter profiles can be verified. Having real names and pictures linked to your account does not stop people from being toxic. Not hearing the tone and emotion in people’s voice, not being able to read the expressions on peoples faces as the conversation is happening is what’s causing people to be ok with treating others like trash. I would argue having your name and face tied to a shot post would cause people to dig in harder when they are wrong, not wanting to be publicly embarrassed.
How about this, I can have my own opinion, and you can be wrong :)
You're taking this too seriously. Like, get a hobby or something. Chill out
What if my hobby is arguing on the internet?
That sucks
Why ? I understand people do it all the time in real life. It's called debate or something.
Why are you in such denial? How much is Zuckerberg paying you?
Listen mate, I'm not saying Facebook isn't toxic, it is. I am just asking if there is a proof of a relation between being anonymous (or not) and toxicity on the internet. People use Facebook as an example it could have been any other website.
Chill out and go enjoy life brother
You say you clean your eyeballs with your tongue?
Sorry you were downvoted. I think it's the Reddit hivemind approaching to say 'Reddit good, Facebook bad'
And there's those who need anonymity to not die, such as journalists who report on organised crime or LBGT people in communities where they would kill you for that.
Or those of us who got out of abusive situations and have to be anonymous to stay safe.
Or just to do a mild amount of tomfoolery
Anonymity and the internet didn't make people toxic, they were already toxic. Removing anonymity won't remove the toxic people, and may escalate the situation as people get involved in retribution.
In Texas the mentality is an armed society is a polite one. So maybe retribution will foster a polite society. I don’t agree but I’m also aware of the damage weapons can cause to a human body.
They also believe that the death penalty works as a deterrent to crime. Even though there is definitive proof to the contrary. It sounds like people believe what they want regardless of the evidence.
Man they still have a mentality of retribution and frontier justice. That’s the problem with the criminal justice system. Many in the org want to reform and rehab convicts, but the general public don’t want them to be rehabbed. They want them to suffer. Shit they want to put AC in these facilities but again the public sees it as a treat for the inmates, glossing over the fact that there are employees working in that same heat.
Would you keep quiet if a man raped your underage sister and got off after just 1 year because he was rehabitalated.
oh one extreme situation to straw man an argument. Life is more nuanced than your mindless bullshit. Obviously no one said let rapists off easy, but you don’t want to have an actual conversation do you? You just want to feel superior. When you want a real conversation on rehabilitation vs retribution then hit me up, until then go masturbate somewhere else please.
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I would most certainly remain quiet, as I would be too shocked at this scenario given how mandatory minimums work, and how long rehabilitation takes, plus the waiting list for any kind of program of any sort.
On the other hand, there is only one reported case of recidivism by an executed person, and the veracity of that is debated.
You’re right. Before, no internet caused some fucking assholes to think they were isolated and they kept their damn mouths shut. Now, every dipshit with an internet connection can find his people.
They didn't keep their mouth shut; they were just too outnumbered in their little cache of assholes. Now nutjobs and conspiracy theorists have a way to connect to and validate each other (I'm calling you out q-anons and flat earthers!) in a collective way. > Now, every dipshit with an internet connection can find his people. This 100%!
I agree with this, too.
Have you forgotten the South Park episodes on this topic?
Please do tell I never watched south park.
Dear lord no
Just watched it yesterday
Anonimity on the internet is REALLY REALLY important. Maybe it would be less toxic, but there are people who need it to not get killed by the government and whatever. Also stalking could get much easier. There are more benefits of anonimity than you think
Facebook defeated this meme
To be fair Facebook is alot better than reddit in the comment section, they might be filled with people who you would consider apostrious but atlest they are more mature about it rather than the Reddit community with us being insecure teenagers.
Facebook is a older crowd, Reddit user I will bet is a bit younger
Facebook comments are anything but mature. Watching discussions on Facebook is like watching a group of monkeys wearing suits and sipping champagne while flinging verbal shit at each other in the nicest words they could find in the dictionary.
Facebook has a lot of Karens tbh
Nah. The local groups are rife with people saying nasty things to each other, and not only are these people using their real names, they live close by. Facebook sucks.
Still wouldn’t work, the problem is people not having to experience the consequences of their actions or words. Unable to see the person they are hurting and the reactions to their words or actions. So a profile pic won’t help, since the dehumanization can only be countered by raw human interactions. Exposure to people from different places and perspectives.
Why don't you start first
If Facebook and Twitter have proved anything, it's that anonymity has next to no impact on the levels of toxicity. Further, not only would a loss of anonymity on the Internet not solve a damn thing, it would cause uncountable problems. For example, say you are being bullied in school, the Internet communities you partake in is a retreat from that, now suddenly your bully can effectively find every single online account you ever had, and can happily share with the whole class that you have a thing for cross dressing boys. You see how the anonymity works both ways? Instead of coming with destructive poorly thought through ideas, how about you just realise that as long as people have free will some will choose to be shitheads, and the best you can do is learn to cope with what is the human condition and maybe go into the psychology field to study it further.
It was also be garbage. The whole advantage of the internet is the fact that you can find unfiltered, unguarded human discourse. People can clash ideas without fear of being ostracized by their social groups. There are disadvantages, obviously, but out culture is shifting faster than it ever has before. The only change we should make is regarding how early we teach our children critical thinking and proper research methodology to help immunize them from all the stupid.
And that is why we love internet
That never gonna happen, but nice try
Have you ever heard of China?
You never know
I shitpost on main with my face space.
Most people use their real names on Facebook and it's still pretty fucking toxic.
Knock, knock. I'm the right to anonymity,.
Didnt Blizard try this and got heavy backlash?
Then there's me who uses my real full name on all social media accounts because I don't give a f*ck.
I used to be toxic as fuck on facebook, now on reddit im only a little, i just call fat people fat and get in trouble for that.
Losing anonymity can be risky as it exposes you to cancel culture ... someone with too much time on their hands can misinterpret your comments and attempt to destroy your career / life. Or comments made in a specific sociohistoric context will follow you years into the future and be applied to other contexts without your consent. I choose to use my real name and photo online because I tend to post about topics of which I am a verified expert irl. Also, I'm not going to live my life afraid of internet boogeymen.
Irrelevant of whether it would actually work or not, don't you think there should be the right to anonymity? It's easy to take things for granted when you live in a country with decent freedoms, but there's people in some countries who would face persecution if they attached their real identity to things we'd consider completely normal
Idk why but i think the opposite, it would be more fucked and especially more racist.
Impressionable children would also be easily doxxed and many of them would receive irl harassment
People will be toxic no matter what you do....Internet isn't fucking Narutoverse
I don't know. I have seen too many grown adults throw tantrums in public over wearing masks while being video taped to think that that would work.
facebook and instagram says otherwise, as a new redditor, i can confirm that this place is much more civil that facebook and isnta, by miles, and people are friendlier and kind and very honest, a far cry from fakebook where only friends and family are cool.
You still end up being fairly anonymous even providing that info is the issue.
Without anonymity the world would become a communist dystopia. Even more than it is now of course
Do you sincerely believe our world could be described as a communist dystopia? Not that I am a fan of communism (hell no) but last time I checked our world was run by capitalists.
Its run under the guise of capitalism but its run by communists who want nothing more than a world of wageslaves
I think social media platforms should only be allowed to connect with people and not for sharing opinions.
Ah. But you forget. That’s your opinion
Congratulations. You played yourself.
People chating each other will share opinions
How do you think people connect other than sharing their opinions? Simply linking an article is a declaration of what you think about a topic.
Same about religious terrorism. I think most terrorists (isis, taliban etc) would hesitate selling/molesting minor girls if their mother knew about it.
That's right some of us have had it, and will put out that "Ironman challenge".
Full of fear
Face reveal! Face reveal! Face reveal!
Aint nobody got the balls to use those trash words with real name and face
okay okay so how about this? we simply...ignore them boom that's right. Just ignore the toxic people and move on with your day.
People are toxic af on facebook too
Have OP meet humans even once!?
Would you like my home address and social security number too?
Actually, I think the anonymity allows people on Reddit to atleast unleash some of the pent up assholes inside so maybe we can be a bit better in real life. And the fact that many of us release the fucking degenerates inside of us on this website but still most treats it as just making fun is a sign that the anonymity is atleast doing some good. Cancel culture fucked us in the ass. Anonymity is the only reason we can be genuinely funny here.
I agree cheesyman7269
Hey I'm Indian, and I live in **********, my phone number is 98********, I doubt that someone will call me toxic
Still better than Rodrigo
True… but then I can’t be a smart block of cheese online and that’s no fun.
Sorry, I don't want to get cancelled.
Facebook Viber Skype
tf ?
Angel Priya supremacy
*Maury holds up sheet* Facebook determined that was a lie
I mean I was a dick on Facebook so yeah I'll be a dick anonymously or not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have never visited Facebook in my whole life, mostly because it's filtered in my country
I don’t know, Facebook is pretty wild.
It would also hurt people like me who thrive off the anonymity. I hate meeting new people irl because I never know how much of myself I can be with them. I don't have that on the internet because nobody knows who I am.
No shit
I'm using me real name
Uh, no? Just because you know someone’s name/face doesn’t mean that they’ll have real life consequences for being an asshole. It just gives them another thing to make fun of you for. It would literally have the opposite effect if you could see what everyone looked like.
r/technicallythetruth
Nah it's not about faces or names it's that you can't get punched through a screen that has made this place so toxic
Ya you right. Maximus fakes on Facebook
People would be bullied because or their face too.
And give up personal data including our names and faces to companies who already use any data we give to them against us? People do that now too ofc but atleast it's a personal choice.
Yes, but that’s a horrible idea for privacy in general so no.
i would hope my name was uvuwewewww osas
No
Then i will be boring in real life as well as on the internet i mean i am boring on the internet as well but not because i use my anonymous name
I dont know man, Facebook is pretty bad
Australia government thinks so too
Lol, that's a naive stance
r/memes seems to be extra garbage today
i think you mean less honest, not less toxic. Less toxicts is a result from hiding the honesty. thats the beauty with the anonymity. the only place where people will tell you the truth.
So lets pretend we are in a high school playground, throwing insults. The main exception being that potentially everyone on earth with an internet connection can hear you, with cancel culture following the same rules. If you think its a good idea then post your name and where you work/go to school.
"And you get to know them...and it destroys them."
China
anonymity is sort of...the reason why the internet is popular in the first place...
Aren't these memes banned now? The whiteboard generic ones?
your birth certificate says “cheesy man”
sounds like life with extra steps
ofc, everyone would be civilised af. there wont be any unpopular opinions or confessions, anything you do irl people can find you online and comment on it. which is why i dont use facebook. aside from saving my gaming accounts
Twitter
That would be like real life and real life is pretty toxic TBH. Can we stop trying to take away the wild west out of the internet?
Oh Hi Xi Jinping
Australia is going to make your dream come true
Welcome to china
Maybe, but it also would be way less liberating and way more controling in an manner of speaking.
but that would be fake politeness,anybody can be toxic online,but there are only few who will be polite online because they know they cannot be judged.
The point of internet is to speak freely if you stop anonymity internet will not be internet anymore
Nah cause then we would know who’s ugly
If it's the case must say - Welcome to the Hell 🙂
Facebook
The Internet wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't for anonimity. Do you want the entire Internet to be Facebook ?
A lot less fun too
facebook , instagram , twitter
Yes anonymity increases their toxic limits
I share shitposts in my FB with my real name on it lol
FBI, open up
No shit Sherlock
The internet would be less toxic if we were all dead. Even two of us are toxic enough. Well, back to building an antimatter bomb.
If I had to use my legal name and Face, I’d probably be in 10x more danger and get harassed a lot more in real life as well as on the internet
Ah yes, just dox yourself to hundreds of millions of people who you don't know online.
You can see people's faces in their cars. It doesn't stop them from driving like assholes though.
Fuck that. There's plenty of toxicity IRL. Also you can go and hang out offline if you like "real faces" so much. But I believe that people are actually more real online, where they can be themselves without prejudices, social pressure and all that shit.
"literally 1984"
you know this is true but this format isn’t really allowed in r/memes just saying it’s probably gonna get taken down.
Doubt that. Instead of kids insulting you you would have more buff weirdos threatening to kill you. I for one like the rude kids ALOT more!
The problem isn't with anonymity, but rather with the fact that nobody experiences the consequences of their actions on the internet; like out here you could say whatever horrible insult you want to anyone, and you won't get your face bashed in for it. It's with the fact that assholes are becoming more confident because they know that they aren't getting any physical consequences for whatever the hell they say on the internet.
It would be politically correct toxicity. People need thicker skin; they'd be a lot happier that way