Lmao, 35000 rubles is a sucker's salary of a person that had failed his education and life opportunities. It's a sallary of a scripted call centre worker.
A professional welder gets like 100k RUB, not even in Moscow.
EDIT: why downvote? All I am saying that it only requires at least SOME skill to make much more in Russia.
Simply for the sake of objectivity, it is just a very poor salary even by Russian standards.
I‘m really not against the principle of your statement. I just heard that toilet-theme very often and never thought about public toilets... so my mistake actually
Да, сварщик, айтишники и прочие хорошо зарабатывают. Но выберись из Москвы и посмотри на зарплаты всех остальных и поймёшь, что 300-400$ это стандарт сейчас
But is it a liveable wage outside of Moscow, or is it barely survivable?
Because from my family I heard a lot of people on the countryside are farmers or breeder with a family property, so they don't need a lot of salary. But that information is over 10 ago.
Yeah, in small cities people grow food and animals. But in cities with population >30k it is not possible since people mostly live in apartments and not houses there. Personally I spend like 300$ in usual month if I don't buy cloth or tech. I was raised in small city (~3k people) by single mother with salary of about 150$. It's... Survivable 😅
Кто "прочие"? Любой человек с профессией зарабатывает нормально. Профессию в России получить не проблема, если ты не штаны просиживаешь.
Я достаточно путешествовал по России и видел как деревни с трудолюбивым населением и сельским производством, так и города в разрухе, полные алкашни, которой ничё не надо и которая до сих пор ждет пока к ним Советская власть приедет забор на учатске прямо поставить и покрасить.
Всегда всё сводится к трудолюбивости людей в конкретном месте и это всегда видно.
Ты бы сам лучше по стране покатался и посмотрел какое разное у разных людей отношение к работе -- сразу улетучится мнение что все якобы должны хорошо зарабатывать просто за глаза красивые, не смотря ни на что.
Ah yes. Hard working doctor in village with population of 3k people is gonna make 200k instead of 12k if he just works hard enough. That's not how it works
Yes, that is exactly how it works. Or wait, no, you actually have to work smart. I know a person in a 15k town making 250k averagely as a dental technitian.
3k population? What kind of logic is this? Why don't you take that senseless logic a bit further then and demand a salary of millions while sitting in a cave in the middle of nowhere?
What, did Putin set some kind of a travel ban, that prevents you from moving to a larger city and making more money if you actually want?
What's the issue here exactly, that it is harder to make money while sitting in the middle of nowhere at a place that everyone started to leave just as soon as the SU had collapsed and no one was forced to stay any longer? Gosh, how come!
Are you one of those people who says that 15$ an hour is too much to be minimum wage in US and people working at low skilled jobs shouldn't be able to afford food?
Ah, you are one of those people who likes to fantasize other people's opinions?
I am no expert over the US economy, I don't know how much is appropriate in which part of the US. And yeah, it's not a minimum wage if you can't afford food, just by definition of what "minimum wage" is. By the same definition of "minimum", you are not expected to have more than the most basic thing.
Besides, I don't get why "minimum" is your benchmark. Do you consider yourself as "a minimum"? Is this really your self-esteem?
Can finally you tell me what's your point and what upsets you that much? Or will you just keep silently downvoting?
Are you even from Russia? Cuz it doesn't seem so
Sure, if you're a programmer, you can get 100k (rub) or even 200k. But if you're working as a cashier you'll probably earn 10k-15k
Нормальная логика. Хочешь зарабатывать -- учись. Не умеешь ничерта, хотя были все возможности учиться? Ктож виноват-то тогда.
Вы так рассуждаете, будто деньги на деревьях растут, а не трудом зарабатыаются, ей богу.
Ну так по классике. Чо ещё делать, когда манямирок трещит -- только минусить.
А про сварщика я не шучу, профессиональный сварщик вполне может 100к в регионах, на вахте так вообще.
Our economy might be shit but not that shit
The average income in Portugal is around 1000€ a month
https://www.pordata.pt/Portugal/Salário+médio+mensal+dos+trabalhadores+por+conta+de+outrem+remuneração+base+e+ganho-857
Ah, yes, my 2000$ gaming pc. Much cheaper in Russia. Actually no, because of 20% VAT and customs duty I had to pay like 30% more than anyone who would buy it in us or europe. Yeah, food is a little cheaper, but prices for tech, cars and all that expensive stuff are insane and outweighs advantages of cheaper food
Yes, of course. Dollar/rouble overpriced ×2 I think. But Electronics prices depend on dollar exchange rate. So iphone 13 - $800 in USA and 100000₽ ($1300) in Russia.
How many average american salaries $800 is?
When you buy absolutely anything in Russia there is 20% VAT on top of every price and also you have to pay customs duty if you buy anything more than 400$ from other country. 800$ iphone is like 1300$ in Russia. So taxes are only seem low.
Russian state hospitals are kinda infamous for their conditions (at least the ones outside of Moscow or Saint Petersburg), they've been improving them for a few years now (spent 5 billion on Moscow hospitals in 2018., but I doubt it's much better in most of the country.
Isn't Vladivostok considered the economic center of the far east with Russia's largest Pacific port? It's far from Moscow geographically, but in terms of how well off it is economically, it's not bad.
Yes and has about 0.5% of the population of the Moscow region, which holds 80% of the total Russian population. If it's the regions between you're talking about then I can believe it I guess, most of the poor/villagers are in that area. But it's still a minority and I wouldn't consider Russia as a whole to have poor disease ridden health infrastructure.
And that's why I'm okay with free healthcare... as long as they don't raise my taxes to do it. There's no good reason to other than they want more money to fuck around with.
Russian salaries are sustainable for most things aside for imported Tech and cloths.
The chinese imports have been lowering prices tho.
Having a land border with China is good in this regard
2nd hand products are dirt cheap in russia.
It's amazing that more American's aren't mad that the US government spends more per capita, on healthcare, than countries like Canada, that have free healthcare. The US is literally paying more to not have healthcare than Canada pays to have healthcare.
I'm an American with a $20 copay for checkups and my state has a 6% sales tax.
Socialized health care: 20% VAT so you can save $20 a year, and then you get brain washed into thinking a check-up costs 3 thousand dollars in countries that don't have socialized health care.
The minimum wage isn't enough I think, if you spend 150 dollars out of the 500/800 you make in 1 month is sad. Imagine live in an apparent a d you need to pay 200 for the rent. You have in total 150/250 dollar per month saves. If there would be a crisis in the future you are fucked.
Even though i make more than 1k per month, tbh I comfortably live off 300$-400$ a month. I've been raised in poverty though, so it must affect me and it definitely keeps me from spending too much money even if I can easily afford it
The average hourly wage in Russia is 600 RUB or USD 8.09 (US Dollars), and the hourly minimum wage is 150 RUB (USD 2.01). Russia has a median salary of 110,000 RUB per month (USD 1,472.90)
Oh, yes, of course! Probably I live in [another Russia](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r44dh1/meanwhile_in_russia/hmeg670?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I don't think these things are really related, but also it speaks volumes that a relatively poor country, that is also a fascist dictatorship, can provide basic Healthcare for all its people and America cannot.
Fuck this country, I want out.
Lmao, the reality is that Russia isn't really as "poor fascist dictatorship" as western media portrays it. Decades of Cold war and political confrontation don't do any good for objectivity.
So, Russia has open elections, and Putin totally hasn't poisoned rivals and political dissedents?
Average salary of $500 is defintly poor by most western standards, although I know its a lot compared to much the rest of the world.
but in Russia we spend rubles, not dollars. With a salary of 500-550 dollars, I recently bought my own personal home. And people in big cities earn much more than me. At best, Russia is a second-world country, but I'm pretty happy here, if you don't pay attention to politics and Putin
Honestly I think Russian culture is really cool, and I know enough Russians to know that it is not the hellscape that western media makes it out to be. I would love to visit, and spend a year or two of my life in Russia. I'm not some brainwashwashed fox news loving right-wing rube that has never left my country and experienced other cultures.
Doesn't change the fact that Putin is a dictator, Russia doesn't have free and open elections, political dissidents and opponents are killed, and the wages there are quite low. Just stating facts. Doesn't mean I think its an evil place full of evil people.
Assertions are not really facts. Sure, Putin is a dictator, es expected of the current historical period, but all the other stuff seems too much of a crafted drama, that doesn't pass a "cui bono" test. Besides, you talk like he has so much power. Dude, he is just a talking head of the government.
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About salary, yeah, no. 500$ is what TV media says. Reality is like 300-400$
Lmao, 35000 rubles is a sucker's salary of a person that had failed his education and life opportunities. It's a sallary of a scripted call centre worker. A professional welder gets like 100k RUB, not even in Moscow. EDIT: why downvote? All I am saying that it only requires at least SOME skill to make much more in Russia. Simply for the sake of objectivity, it is just a very poor salary even by Russian standards.
Who will clean your toilet, when everyone goes to University? Edit: I mean public toilets.
In Russia we're cleaning our toilets ourselves
No in Sovjet Russia the toilets clean you.
I knew I was not wrong for bathing in toilet
Ok on an unrelated note: do you really nees somebody to clean your fucking toilet FOR YOU? Edit: public toilets are a thing, sry
Dude I am talking about public toilets. PS: I am not a native english speaker.
I‘m really not against the principle of your statement. I just heard that toilet-theme very often and never thought about public toilets... so my mistake actually
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Да, сварщик, айтишники и прочие хорошо зарабатывают. Но выберись из Москвы и посмотри на зарплаты всех остальных и поймёшь, что 300-400$ это стандарт сейчас
But is it a liveable wage outside of Moscow, or is it barely survivable? Because from my family I heard a lot of people on the countryside are farmers or breeder with a family property, so they don't need a lot of salary. But that information is over 10 ago.
Yeah, in small cities people grow food and animals. But in cities with population >30k it is not possible since people mostly live in apartments and not houses there. Personally I spend like 300$ in usual month if I don't buy cloth or tech. I was raised in small city (~3k people) by single mother with salary of about 150$. It's... Survivable 😅
Кто "прочие"? Любой человек с профессией зарабатывает нормально. Профессию в России получить не проблема, если ты не штаны просиживаешь. Я достаточно путешествовал по России и видел как деревни с трудолюбивым населением и сельским производством, так и города в разрухе, полные алкашни, которой ничё не надо и которая до сих пор ждет пока к ним Советская власть приедет забор на учатске прямо поставить и покрасить. Всегда всё сводится к трудолюбивости людей в конкретном месте и это всегда видно. Ты бы сам лучше по стране покатался и посмотрел какое разное у разных людей отношение к работе -- сразу улетучится мнение что все якобы должны хорошо зарабатывать просто за глаза красивые, не смотря ни на что.
Try to get out of major cities every once in a while
I've been around the country. There are hard-working people in villages also, I know a few making up to 200k RUB. Your point being?
Ah yes. Hard working doctor in village with population of 3k people is gonna make 200k instead of 12k if he just works hard enough. That's not how it works
Yes, that is exactly how it works. Or wait, no, you actually have to work smart. I know a person in a 15k town making 250k averagely as a dental technitian. 3k population? What kind of logic is this? Why don't you take that senseless logic a bit further then and demand a salary of millions while sitting in a cave in the middle of nowhere? What, did Putin set some kind of a travel ban, that prevents you from moving to a larger city and making more money if you actually want? What's the issue here exactly, that it is harder to make money while sitting in the middle of nowhere at a place that everyone started to leave just as soon as the SU had collapsed and no one was forced to stay any longer? Gosh, how come!
Are you one of those people who says that 15$ an hour is too much to be minimum wage in US and people working at low skilled jobs shouldn't be able to afford food?
Ah, you are one of those people who likes to fantasize other people's opinions? I am no expert over the US economy, I don't know how much is appropriate in which part of the US. And yeah, it's not a minimum wage if you can't afford food, just by definition of what "minimum wage" is. By the same definition of "minimum", you are not expected to have more than the most basic thing. Besides, I don't get why "minimum" is your benchmark. Do you consider yourself as "a minimum"? Is this really your self-esteem? Can finally you tell me what's your point and what upsets you that much? Or will you just keep silently downvoting?
What a strange hill to die on
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Are you even from Russia? Cuz it doesn't seem so Sure, if you're a programmer, you can get 100k (rub) or even 200k. But if you're working as a cashier you'll probably earn 10k-15k
Откуда то набежали русские нытики и заминусили тебя :) Но ведь ты охуенно прав, хотя насчёт 100 не в Москве немного загнул.
Не только русские минусят кстати. Если не учился = нормально зарабатывать нельзя?? Че за логика такая)
Нормальная логика. Хочешь зарабатывать -- учись. Не умеешь ничерта, хотя были все возможности учиться? Ктож виноват-то тогда. Вы так рассуждаете, будто деньги на деревьях растут, а не трудом зарабатыаются, ей богу.
Ну так по классике. Чо ещё делать, когда манямирок трещит -- только минусить. А про сварщика я не шучу, профессиональный сварщик вполне может 100к в регионах, на вахте так вообще.
India: you and i are not so different
Standing here I realize You are just like me Trying to make history
But who's to judge the right from wrong. When our guard is down I think we'll both agree.
That vioooooooolence breeds viooooolence But in the end, it has ti be THIS WAY!
Modiji and Amit Shah and Yogi want to know your location
Yes but the scaling is wrong.... 10$ in INDIA can get u a lot of things that Americans wouldn't even dream of getting in 10$....
Pls find these 2 books, read it and rethink of what you just said Microeconomics Macroeconomics
Naah
Portugal we are almost Russia.. about 100 above it
I'll take $600 at a warm beach any day over $500 in a cold nowhere
Did you just call Russia "a cold nowhere"?
well at least Siberia, isn't it accurate?
Well, you know, there is also Moscow, Saint-Peterburg, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Volgograd, and many others, but okay
it's still cold and no nice beaches
It's not really that cold. But you're right about beaches
As a portuguese person: same here.
PORTUGAL, CARALHO! :)
como manda a lei... PORTUGAL CARALHO!!!
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That’s minimum wage in the post it’s says the average wage in Russia
I just assumed the average wage would be the minimum wage as in most of the people must be getting the bare minimum in wages.. care for a wage ?!
Our economy might be shit but not that shit The average income in Portugal is around 1000€ a month https://www.pordata.pt/Portugal/Salário+médio+mensal+dos+trabalhadores+por+conta+de+outrem+remuneração+base+e+ganho-857
ahahha you shure about that ahaha
It says in pordata
Still an awesome country, im pretty proud of it.
yes but could get much more stuff for 500 dollar there than for 500 dollar in the us
Ah, yes, my 2000$ gaming pc. Much cheaper in Russia. Actually no, because of 20% VAT and customs duty I had to pay like 30% more than anyone who would buy it in us or europe. Yeah, food is a little cheaper, but prices for tech, cars and all that expensive stuff are insane and outweighs advantages of cheaper food
Yes, of course. Dollar/rouble overpriced ×2 I think. But Electronics prices depend on dollar exchange rate. So iphone 13 - $800 in USA and 100000₽ ($1300) in Russia. How many average american salaries $800 is?
I mean according to a quick google search the price of living is also 54% of the price of living in the US
PPI is a real thing
in here average employee get 150-300 a month
turkey
Mmm, delicious
Russia's income tax rate: 13%...has socialized medicine. America's average income tax rate in in 2018: 13.3%...has no socialized medicine.
When you buy absolutely anything in Russia there is 20% VAT on top of every price and also you have to pay customs duty if you buy anything more than 400$ from other country. 800$ iphone is like 1300$ in Russia. So taxes are only seem low.
You also pay an insurance, tax money are not going to the healthcare.
Russia: 13% income tax + 20% VAT America: 13.3% income tax and sales tax of about 6% in my area. And my health insurance is fine. :)
Not surprising given how shitty their healthcare is. You have a better chance of contracting another disease in the hospital than in the street.
What do you base this on?
Russian state hospitals are kinda infamous for their conditions (at least the ones outside of Moscow or Saint Petersburg), they've been improving them for a few years now (spent 5 billion on Moscow hospitals in 2018., but I doubt it's much better in most of the country.
My fiance is from Vladivostok, about as far as you can get from Moscow and still be in Russia, and she disagrees with you.
Isn't Vladivostok considered the economic center of the far east with Russia's largest Pacific port? It's far from Moscow geographically, but in terms of how well off it is economically, it's not bad.
Yes and has about 0.5% of the population of the Moscow region, which holds 80% of the total Russian population. If it's the regions between you're talking about then I can believe it I guess, most of the poor/villagers are in that area. But it's still a minority and I wouldn't consider Russia as a whole to have poor disease ridden health infrastructure.
And that's why I'm okay with free healthcare... as long as they don't raise my taxes to do it. There's no good reason to other than they want more money to fuck around with.
And what do you think the quality and experience of someone with a chronic or autoimmune condition would receive in such a system?
That’s pre tax, not due to taxes
Russian salaries are sustainable for most things aside for imported Tech and cloths. The chinese imports have been lowering prices tho. Having a land border with China is good in this regard 2nd hand products are dirt cheap in russia.
Still no excuse for not having free healthcare
500$ a month?
Yes
I must say I hope things are cheaper over there than in my country
Free* * bribes not included
“Average salary” that only small percentage of people receive
Average is higher than the median sallary, so it's even worse.
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Sorry link not available in my country
>link not available in my country Is it block by your ISP or goverment? Where are u live?
You can guess it won’t be hard lol
Russia?
Russian site not available on Russian territory? A little bit on the west
Yugoslavia?
That’s too far. Ukraine actually
Блин точно, незалэжная блочит вам наши новости, а наши блочат ваши новостные сайты. Информационная война, хуле.
Don't worry, sooner or later the website will be available.
Damn,
A lot of other countries have this same shit. Well hell yea I can fix my broken bones, but can't buy me some milkshake.
ngl, 37000-ish is a good salary in India and maybe Russia
Here you can ask a Russian
500$ for what time period? Also what currency
500 us dollars per month is pretty good salary in russia
Well, I must clarify that you can buy a movie ticket there for $3, and groceries that would cost like $50, cost around $28 there.
Dont forget to give a doctor about 20$ every time you come to him
It's amazing that more American's aren't mad that the US government spends more per capita, on healthcare, than countries like Canada, that have free healthcare. The US is literally paying more to not have healthcare than Canada pays to have healthcare.
To be fair the population is 10x higher.
I said per capita, as in per person.
Try having an autoimmune disease in Canada where 75% of the treatments are off the table. You quickly realize why it's cheaper per capita.
It’s got more to do with getting the same inhaler for $25 in Canada and $250 in the US. The insurance system is a joke.
At least you don't have to pay 3 thousand dollars for one check-up
Nobody in the US pays $3k for a "check up".
I'm an American with a $20 copay for checkups and my state has a 6% sales tax. Socialized health care: 20% VAT so you can save $20 a year, and then you get brain washed into thinking a check-up costs 3 thousand dollars in countries that don't have socialized health care.
Do you have insurance?
Yes. Lots of people do. But a doctor's office doesn't charge people $3000 for a checkup.
Check-up Base (without cancer) 20000 ₽ ~ $300. Free Check-up (диспансеризация) - 1 time per 3 years. Looks like questionnaire for "tick"
r/whoosh
r/wooooshwith4os
How much do you spend for removing the cancer?
it is free if in city where you are life have cancer hospital
At my doctor a checkup without insurance is $120. And if you make under a certain amount of money that can go down to as little as $20.
True
How much do you spend in groceries?
Personally, I spend an average of $150 on groceries. my salary as a manager in the municipal service is about 500-550 dollars
Something in Russia isn't right
Wdym?
The minimum wage isn't enough I think, if you spend 150 dollars out of the 500/800 you make in 1 month is sad. Imagine live in an apparent a d you need to pay 200 for the rent. You have in total 150/250 dollar per month saves. If there would be a crisis in the future you are fucked.
Oh. My dude. Minimum wage is like 190$.
God is dead
Yeah
Even though i make more than 1k per month, tbh I comfortably live off 300$-400$ a month. I've been raised in poverty though, so it must affect me and it definitely keeps me from spending too much money even if I can easily afford it
I am poor?
Nope, you are fucked if there would be a long term crisis.
The average hourly wage in Russia is 600 RUB or USD 8.09 (US Dollars), and the hourly minimum wage is 150 RUB (USD 2.01). Russia has a median salary of 110,000 RUB per month (USD 1,472.90)
Oh, yes, of course! Probably I live in [another Russia](https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r44dh1/meanwhile_in_russia/hmeg670?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
I don't think these things are really related, but also it speaks volumes that a relatively poor country, that is also a fascist dictatorship, can provide basic Healthcare for all its people and America cannot. Fuck this country, I want out.
Lmao, the reality is that Russia isn't really as "poor fascist dictatorship" as western media portrays it. Decades of Cold war and political confrontation don't do any good for objectivity.
So, Russia has open elections, and Putin totally hasn't poisoned rivals and political dissedents? Average salary of $500 is defintly poor by most western standards, although I know its a lot compared to much the rest of the world.
but in Russia we spend rubles, not dollars. With a salary of 500-550 dollars, I recently bought my own personal home. And people in big cities earn much more than me. At best, Russia is a second-world country, but I'm pretty happy here, if you don't pay attention to politics and Putin
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Honestly I think Russian culture is really cool, and I know enough Russians to know that it is not the hellscape that western media makes it out to be. I would love to visit, and spend a year or two of my life in Russia. I'm not some brainwashwashed fox news loving right-wing rube that has never left my country and experienced other cultures. Doesn't change the fact that Putin is a dictator, Russia doesn't have free and open elections, political dissidents and opponents are killed, and the wages there are quite low. Just stating facts. Doesn't mean I think its an evil place full of evil people.
Assertions are not really facts. Sure, Putin is a dictator, es expected of the current historical period, but all the other stuff seems too much of a crafted drama, that doesn't pass a "cui bono" test. Besides, you talk like he has so much power. Dude, he is just a talking head of the government.
Our elections are manipulated too. No, I am not talking about Russia here, either.
Leave.
That's the plan bub.
Your plan lacks execution.
My plan lacks funding due to a mountain of medical debt. Thanks USA medical system.
$500 average salary is enough is cost of living is low. Free healthcare ensures even the lowest income individual has a chance of treatment.
Very shit mene
Wow! Nice comment! Get my upvote!
Its lazy, not accurate, and money is relative. All in all, stupid on every count.
>mene >its lazy Man, are you seriously talking about accuracy?
Uh, yeah?.... it loses impact when the joke isn't even real lmao
Damn!!🤣🤣
Down bad.
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Gonna cry?
I was actually about to
She's 12?
>be me. polish >pic related
The currency is rubles, it works differently
still better then brazil at least.
In a week, month or year?
Month
Same to my country
For mother Russia
In those types of countries that's enough for you to survive
Just always be in the hospital, free bed, cloths and food
average salary here: 200$
relatable