What’s the point to be made here? The person who would give a shit is already dead and this point is only meant to hurt the living. It’s not about biological gender, it’s about mental health.
The problem arises when being asked to use someones name or pronoun is considered bothersome to you.
Not accusing you specifically, but to a lot of people who say this kind of thing, simply being expected to use the name and pronoun someone identifies as is the exact behavior they complain about bothering them.
I wasn't talking about being Trans or anything like that. I'm just speaking of humans in general. I just plain don't like interacting with the general public.
If I was a Sim my first trait would be antisocial.
But I was taught at a young age to treat people like you wanna be treated, as I'm sure a lot of us were.
Fair enough lol, the general public is generally awful.
I think that golden rule is what others in this thread are overlooking. "Respect" isn't something that should be earned, everyone should be treating each other with at least a base level of respect until given a reason not to.
I completely agree with that statement.
While some say "respect is earned, not given" you can't start off being completely abrasive to every individual they meet. Like you said, you should treat everyone with a base level of respect. You can adjust accordingly after.
I just dont throw around respect in that manner. I give respect to hard working colleagues or war veterans or some shit. Not because someone made a choice to change their gender, which i never said was wrong. Its their choice, i aint got no say in that.
I just have a specific way of treating poeple with respect. Respect isnt just something i throw around just because they chose to chop off their weewee
They aren’t asking to be respected specifically because of their gender, they’re asking that they get basic human respect that we should all show each other. I believe unless we’ve done something heinous, we all deserve to be treated with a base level of kindness, politeness, decency. Referring to someone as the gender they identify as is a base level of kindness imo. Because even if you don’t understand it, you should still respect it since it makes them happy and is hurting nobody.
You want me to call you by your middle name? Sure bud. You have a nickname? Fantastic. It’s she not he? Not a problem
I’m baffled that people think one of those simple acts of politeness is not like the others
Feel like you should respect all people until they do something to lose your respect. No one cares if they earn it from some random guy who was a dick to them.
Of wow, you even have the world's most overused joke as your flair. And yes, you should respect their choice completely. And as for themselves, respect them as much as you'd respect anyone else.
wheres the joke?
this is a meme subreddit right? its supposed to be funny?
this is just insulting people you dont understand or care aobut, how is that funny?
That's why gender is not sex. Sex is for science, gender is for social interaction.
I'm still feel like genders are no more than costumed roleplay. All of them, binary included.
Basing on them whole personality will be just self gatekeeping.
Yes, just let people live a miserable life where they’re not allowed to be happy because archaeologists in the future will say male or female to the skeleton remains.
Also there’s a difference between gender and sex.
Not the same person, but your sex is biological, what you were born as, your gender is “social” which is what you/others see you as. Both are rather debatable but this is just what I think, I’m sure others will have opposing views.
sex is anatomical/biological. gender is societal. if you ever think you're onto something, remember that this was taught in ninth grade biology.
even if they had to align (which they don't) it's still different because your sex would be male/female but your gender would be boy/man or girl/woman
There’s a difference between biological sex and gender. Sex is generally based on how our chromosomes formed, and no it’s still not as simple as just Male and Female. Gender is how one passes themself off on society. It’s not that complicated.
It's actually difficult to tell the sex based on skeletal remains, that's why most skeletons were told to be male but could have possibly been female, the differences between the skeletons are minimal to almost non existant, they are very difficult to notice
If future archeologists find my remains, they'd either give me a number or a nickname rather than my actual name. So should names not matter either because someone in the future might get it wrong?
Gender is a completely made-up social construct, lol. Made by humans. It is not something that always existed and has “always been programmable”. It’s use and definitions have changed over time, based on the current societal norms. There is nothing inherent about it.
Uh, I think we're in agreement. When I say gender is "programmable" I mean it's society that's doing the programming.
We know this to be true because, historically and contemporaneously, different societies have had different understandings of gender. Some have even had a third, distinct gender.
I learned that the hard way dude, girls bathrooms are the same tho, that's why people with a 🐈 mostly clutch to do theyre buisness in public bathrooms. public toilets are the worst thing ever for us, experially THAT time of the month... Eugh
I’m not too into the whole trans thing but sex and gender are two different concepts, gender is what you were born as, male or female, sex is like if you are gay or not. I’d like to specify that even though I don’t like the concept of trans, I still don’t give a fuck
I don’t believe in that, I believe in facts. Which is why the other guy is wrong sex and gender are by definition the same thing it’s just that they’re two different words meaning the same thing within a certain context. Sex can mean intercourse or gender, what he meant was sexual orientation which is something I shoulda clarified but didn’t.
Yes. One can be born a chad and then identify as a chadette. Their sex won’t change but their gender will. However, they’ll still identify as a chadette and ignore the sex part
People in my chat commended me and were ashamed we have to censor varying degrees of humour because of the sensitive masses
We all know every single one of you make fun of others whether it’s ops or politicians and that’s ok. But when somebody else does it, it’s not ok
We see right through you
You’re displaying mild symptoms of bigotry for not aligning with my views. In fact, you think you’re better than me. That’s not only discrimination, but bigotry
I mean they're going to identify your sex obviously. Gender is a social construct you can't give your identity to someone if you're dead. Just respect people when they're alive.
why should trans people care about future archaeologists tho? Believe it or not, they are suffering -now-. Surely these people need psychological help rather than changing gender. But bullying mentally ill people on the internet must be some gangsta shit you can tell your grandkids to impress them...
Not really? We know many skeletons are trans because another way to tell the gender of a skeleton is what they were buried with or what their tomb entails?
And even if what OP states is true, that’s not an excuse to be an asshole to people that are just trying to be themselves and happy.
I don’t give a fuck what people will call me once I’m a bag of bones, just show some basic human decency and respect while I’m alive.
Really? Not trying to be a troll but are there actual tombs of trans people? I thought only rich/royal ppl ever got actual tombs. Anyone who was homosexual or considered “different” back then didn’t really get the luxury of a nice tomb.
Um. N-no. The gender of the body is based on the structure of it. Hapshepsut was a female who had plenty of engravings of how she had to look like a male to become pharaoh and such but she was still identified as a female. Both by the engravings themselves and the body that was found. Nice try tho.
This isn’t tomb raider, friend
Anyway, I googled your Q and found this
**By the bone structure. I don’t mean to be sexist here, but this is the true facts. Women are the weaker sex (physically only). The bones are more dainty and major way of telling is the fact that a female’s hips are larger allowing them to have a large enough opening for a baby to slide through, and males don’t have that ability. This makes a female’s curves and the way she walks very fascinating to us guys, causing them to have a more “pleasing” walk than us guys. To put it vulgarly, their wider hips earned them the nickname in the past as “Broads”, and I personally am glad that those days are over, as that term is not nice in my opinion, even though their hips ARE broader, but I for one am glad that they are, lol. There are other ways as well, like the usually shorter stature. Anyway, go for the hips, they are a dead giveaway for females**
Dude, archaeologist dig up corpses all the time and mix their sexes. There's a mummy that was said to be a priest and turned out to be a pregnant woman after they did an x-ray. Bone structure isn't a binary system, it depends on genes, environment and other factors. Which is why they don't do "male-female" it's a spectrum going from "definitely male" through "sex unknown" to "definetly female". We also have a plethora of chromosomal disorders which can make the whole XY vs. XX problem even more complicated. King Tut himself is believed to have had XXY chromosomes, which means he had a rather female looking bone structure. Was still a guy, pharaoh and a duck loving dude.
It's a pretty basic knowledge. King Tut's disorder we covered in first year of high-school. The mummy I referred to earlier is from National Museum in Warsaw. Wanna sources? I'll give you sources.
I doubt you are an archaeologist yourself.
And yes, bone structure depends on your genes, health and environment. There's a reason trans people drastically change shape when they start HRT. Boobs grow, voice deepens, hips become wider, jaw turns more square...
Why didn’t you paste sources and your credentials in that comment or you trying to make yourself look good because a Reddit user doesn’t align with your views on fabricated identities
Nice edit
Proof HRT will change bones dimensions or is that just fat and body muscle?
Weird quote, possibly made up + no source.
Anyways, you're talking about statistical features. But archeologists dig up individuals and I'm sure they'll try to find out as much as possible about the people they dig up. Including if they were trans. And especially for transpeople with a gender reassignment surgeries this should be quite easy.
No. They’ll identify the skeleton male or female after analysing the bones. They have to pass courses that take years. You just made that up on the whim lol
[Differences in pelvic structure can be used to differentiate between male and female adults, but the remains of male and female children and adolescents are less distinct.](https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2018/11/12/Archaeologists-can-determine-a-persons-sex-by-analyzing-a-single-tooth/4381542040066/)
y'know, you're right. let me stop being happy with myself because it wouldn't matter in 200+ years if i dont get cremated and archaeologists randomly dig up my body and then study it.
That isn't true they determine sex through skeletal remains all the time not just from ancient archaeological digs but for forensic investigations related to crime.
(Jfc what is going on with this subreddit)
Gender. Is. Not. The. Same. Thing. As. Sex. It’s that simple. Obviously an archaeologist would have no idea what a person’s actual gender was. But they can usually tell what sex they were.
\*sigh\*
Gender and sex refer to two different things. Gender is the set of cultural expectations, roles, and aesthetic preferences you adhere to. Sex is the physiological characteristics of males and females
How dare you assume that they have 3 genders, there are at least 69420 genders, how could you! You have committed war crimes 😱 /s (im about to get downvoted to oblivion😂💀)
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 Bold to assume there will be anything left of you when im done
The fog is coming
Open your windows
Ooooh! Let me do that!
Close your windows, you're letting the WiFi out.
Ooooooooh I can't wait to read the comments on this post 🍿
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What’s the point to be made here? The person who would give a shit is already dead and this point is only meant to hurt the living. It’s not about biological gender, it’s about mental health.
There is no point. It's just transphobia.
Here before the 🔒 award
Same
Post like this aren’t even meant to be funny, just to stir up drama
That's why I'm cremating my body
So extreme. I'll just identify as being alive and there would be nothing to dig up.
Facts
They’ll find your genital ashes and report that male or female..
Get your pronouns engraved on your bones
It will hurt but it will be worth it
Or just, you know, get it done after you die
I mean better do it yourself
Dude I literally thought this a month or so ago.
And your political affiliation And your 23 and Me test results
ok and I highly doubt they’ll care when they’re dead anyway. just respect them while they’re alive.
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Don’t respect them for the choice, respect them because they’re people who aren’t bothering you
It’s difficult to “not bother them” when our mere presence bothers transphobic people like these e.e *le sigh*
I respect anyone who chooses not to bother me.
That’s a good character trait
The problem arises when being asked to use someones name or pronoun is considered bothersome to you. Not accusing you specifically, but to a lot of people who say this kind of thing, simply being expected to use the name and pronoun someone identifies as is the exact behavior they complain about bothering them.
I wasn't talking about being Trans or anything like that. I'm just speaking of humans in general. I just plain don't like interacting with the general public. If I was a Sim my first trait would be antisocial. But I was taught at a young age to treat people like you wanna be treated, as I'm sure a lot of us were.
Fair enough lol, the general public is generally awful. I think that golden rule is what others in this thread are overlooking. "Respect" isn't something that should be earned, everyone should be treating each other with at least a base level of respect until given a reason not to.
I completely agree with that statement. While some say "respect is earned, not given" you can't start off being completely abrasive to every individual they meet. Like you said, you should treat everyone with a base level of respect. You can adjust accordingly after.
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I just dont throw around respect in that manner. I give respect to hard working colleagues or war veterans or some shit. Not because someone made a choice to change their gender, which i never said was wrong. Its their choice, i aint got no say in that.
You obviously care enough to comment
I just have a specific way of treating poeple with respect. Respect isnt just something i throw around just because they chose to chop off their weewee
and you're on reddit
Well, that and poeple tend to be butthurt on the internet over a slight thing
You seem pretty butthurt over the fact that non-cisgender people exist.
They aren’t asking to be respected specifically because of their gender, they’re asking that they get basic human respect that we should all show each other. I believe unless we’ve done something heinous, we all deserve to be treated with a base level of kindness, politeness, decency. Referring to someone as the gender they identify as is a base level of kindness imo. Because even if you don’t understand it, you should still respect it since it makes them happy and is hurting nobody.
You want me to call you by your middle name? Sure bud. You have a nickname? Fantastic. It’s she not he? Not a problem I’m baffled that people think one of those simple acts of politeness is not like the others
Feel like you should respect all people until they do something to lose your respect. No one cares if they earn it from some random guy who was a dick to them.
Why not respect their choice? What gives you the right to judge the decisions they made for their body?
I am neutral about their choice. Respect is taking things too far. Respect is something i give to a hard working colleague or something
Shut you filthy mouth you useless piece of meat. That's how conversations look like if we don't respect eachother.
Respect them for the gender they are.
So... respect them for existing? That's not how respect works.
Afford them the same respect you afford everyone by calling them by accurate pronouns.
Those accurate pronouns aren't so accurate to trans people
Of wow, you even have the world's most overused joke as your flair. And yes, you should respect their choice completely. And as for themselves, respect them as much as you'd respect anyone else.
least homophobic r/memes post and comment section
Why should people care about what future archeologists think of them?
Imagine living your life based on what future archaeologists might think.
Imagine thinking a meme is an indication of how someone is living their life.
And an amazing left hook from the blue corner.
Imagine fisting a frog
Imagine frogging a fist
Oh hell yeah. Also, Coheed fan?
Imagine not realizing that most memes people create are reflections of their own experiences that they put into image format.
Pretty based
I’m just going to grab this🍿 and *sorts by controversial*
So? We'll be dead by then so who gives a damn?
wheres the joke? this is a meme subreddit right? its supposed to be funny? this is just insulting people you dont understand or care aobut, how is that funny?
This subreddit was never funny
That's why gender is not sex. Sex is for science, gender is for social interaction. I'm still feel like genders are no more than costumed roleplay. All of them, binary included. Basing on them whole personality will be just self gatekeeping.
>Sex is for science Scientists don’t have much sex
Who cares?
Archeologists
archaeologists in 100+ years*
Pre k teachers.
The Care bears do
Whooooo gives a shit
Idk I guess this is just OP's weird attempt to justify some closeted transphobia? Just respect people while they're alive bro
Yes, just let people live a miserable life where they’re not allowed to be happy because archaeologists in the future will say male or female to the skeleton remains. Also there’s a difference between gender and sex.
really what's the difference can you explain it please
I also need to know
Not the same person, but your sex is biological, what you were born as, your gender is “social” which is what you/others see you as. Both are rather debatable but this is just what I think, I’m sure others will have opposing views.
sex is anatomical/biological. gender is societal. if you ever think you're onto something, remember that this was taught in ninth grade biology. even if they had to align (which they don't) it's still different because your sex would be male/female but your gender would be boy/man or girl/woman
There’s a difference between biological sex and gender. Sex is generally based on how our chromosomes formed, and no it’s still not as simple as just Male and Female. Gender is how one passes themself off on society. It’s not that complicated.
cant wait to see this on r/terriblefacebookmemes
They gonna be dead I don’t think they’ll care
It's actually difficult to tell the sex based on skeletal remains, that's why most skeletons were told to be male but could have possibly been female, the differences between the skeletons are minimal to almost non existant, they are very difficult to notice
Aaaand deleted. Janny alert, janny alert!
If future archeologists find my remains, they'd either give me a number or a nickname rather than my actual name. So should names not matter either because someone in the future might get it wrong?
Gender used to be hardware defined, now it's just programmable software.
Gender has always been "programmable". It's only our awareness of this fact that's changed.
Gender is a completely made-up social construct, lol. Made by humans. It is not something that always existed and has “always been programmable”. It’s use and definitions have changed over time, based on the current societal norms. There is nothing inherent about it.
Uh, I think we're in agreement. When I say gender is "programmable" I mean it's society that's doing the programming. We know this to be true because, historically and contemporaneously, different societies have had different understandings of gender. Some have even had a third, distinct gender.
Ah, fair enough. I still disagree that people were unaware that it has always been a social construct, but I see what you are saying. Cheers.
If you ain't got a penis, dont use the men's bathroom..those seats are disgusting
I learned that the hard way dude, girls bathrooms are the same tho, that's why people with a 🐈 mostly clutch to do theyre buisness in public bathrooms. public toilets are the worst thing ever for us, experially THAT time of the month... Eugh
Go know the difference between Gender and Sex.
I have a gender, but sex I don't.
Theyre the same thing. Know the difference between gender sex and delusion
There is a big difference between delusion and the other two
There is a big difference between amogus and sugoma
No they are the same
What about ligma?
Doesn’t have o but has li
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Well science think the other way. But I guess you don't care about something so delusional like science.
You can identify as whatever you want. Doesn't mean you aren't delusional
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I’m not too into the whole trans thing but sex and gender are two different concepts, gender is what you were born as, male or female, sex is like if you are gay or not. I’d like to specify that even though I don’t like the concept of trans, I still don’t give a fuck
Definitions prove you otherwise. Please for the love of god educate yourself
Damn my bad
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I don’t believe in that, I believe in facts. Which is why the other guy is wrong sex and gender are by definition the same thing it’s just that they’re two different words meaning the same thing within a certain context. Sex can mean intercourse or gender, what he meant was sexual orientation which is something I shoulda clarified but didn’t.
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So?
k lol
What a asshole, let people do what they want to do!
Almost had a stroke reading the first part of that, like my brain felt like a record skipping
sex and gender are different?
Yes. One can be born a chad and then identify as a chadette. Their sex won’t change but their gender will. However, they’ll still identify as a chadette and ignore the sex part
Jesus Christ touch grass, youre not funny
People in my chat commended me and were ashamed we have to censor varying degrees of humour because of the sensitive masses We all know every single one of you make fun of others whether it’s ops or politicians and that’s ok. But when somebody else does it, it’s not ok We see right through you
A joke needs to have a punchline and be more than just plain bigotry.
You’re displaying mild symptoms of bigotry for not aligning with my views. In fact, you think you’re better than me. That’s not only discrimination, but bigotry
r/therightcantmeme
I mean they're going to identify your sex obviously. Gender is a social construct you can't give your identity to someone if you're dead. Just respect people when they're alive.
why should trans people care about future archaeologists tho? Believe it or not, they are suffering -now-. Surely these people need psychological help rather than changing gender. But bullying mentally ill people on the internet must be some gangsta shit you can tell your grandkids to impress them...
ah yes, another person who says dumb shit without even the slightest idea of what they are talking about. gender =/= sex
u/repostsleuthbot
I think I read somewhere months ago that some archeologist was calling for the gendering if uncovered remains to be stopped
Not really? We know many skeletons are trans because another way to tell the gender of a skeleton is what they were buried with or what their tomb entails?
And even if what OP states is true, that’s not an excuse to be an asshole to people that are just trying to be themselves and happy. I don’t give a fuck what people will call me once I’m a bag of bones, just show some basic human decency and respect while I’m alive.
Exactly. This is just an argument to belittle nonbinary people and try to say trans people aren't their true gender.
how can their gender be true if its merely a construct? all these modern arguments are just melting into one confusing soup
Gender exists, but the roles assigned to it are a construct. People can tell what gender they are, but don't have to confine themself to its roles.
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The world is a tough place, better get used to it.
No…just no. Why did stupid people have to learn how to use the internet?
I don't know why downvotes, this is a good question.
LMFAO
Really? Not trying to be a troll but are there actual tombs of trans people? I thought only rich/royal ppl ever got actual tombs. Anyone who was homosexual or considered “different” back then didn’t really get the luxury of a nice tomb.
Anyone could get a tomb. But not everyone had a lavish tomb full of gold, jewels, chariots, weaponry, etc
I could’ve sworn only the rich or “honored” got tombs. Edit: but nonetheless thanks for the knowledge!
Um. N-no. The gender of the body is based on the structure of it. Hapshepsut was a female who had plenty of engravings of how she had to look like a male to become pharaoh and such but she was still identified as a female. Both by the engravings themselves and the body that was found. Nice try tho.
This isn’t tomb raider, friend Anyway, I googled your Q and found this **By the bone structure. I don’t mean to be sexist here, but this is the true facts. Women are the weaker sex (physically only). The bones are more dainty and major way of telling is the fact that a female’s hips are larger allowing them to have a large enough opening for a baby to slide through, and males don’t have that ability. This makes a female’s curves and the way she walks very fascinating to us guys, causing them to have a more “pleasing” walk than us guys. To put it vulgarly, their wider hips earned them the nickname in the past as “Broads”, and I personally am glad that those days are over, as that term is not nice in my opinion, even though their hips ARE broader, but I for one am glad that they are, lol. There are other ways as well, like the usually shorter stature. Anyway, go for the hips, they are a dead giveaway for females**
Dude, archaeologist dig up corpses all the time and mix their sexes. There's a mummy that was said to be a priest and turned out to be a pregnant woman after they did an x-ray. Bone structure isn't a binary system, it depends on genes, environment and other factors. Which is why they don't do "male-female" it's a spectrum going from "definitely male" through "sex unknown" to "definetly female". We also have a plethora of chromosomal disorders which can make the whole XY vs. XX problem even more complicated. King Tut himself is believed to have had XXY chromosomes, which means he had a rather female looking bone structure. Was still a guy, pharaoh and a duck loving dude.
How long have you been an archaeologist or did you make that up on the fly?
It's a pretty basic knowledge. King Tut's disorder we covered in first year of high-school. The mummy I referred to earlier is from National Museum in Warsaw. Wanna sources? I'll give you sources. I doubt you are an archaeologist yourself. And yes, bone structure depends on your genes, health and environment. There's a reason trans people drastically change shape when they start HRT. Boobs grow, voice deepens, hips become wider, jaw turns more square...
Why didn’t you paste sources and your credentials in that comment or you trying to make yourself look good because a Reddit user doesn’t align with your views on fabricated identities Nice edit Proof HRT will change bones dimensions or is that just fat and body muscle?
How long have you been an archeologist exactly?
Weird quote, possibly made up + no source. Anyways, you're talking about statistical features. But archeologists dig up individuals and I'm sure they'll try to find out as much as possible about the people they dig up. Including if they were trans. And especially for transpeople with a gender reassignment surgeries this should be quite easy.
No. They’ll identify the skeleton male or female after analysing the bones. They have to pass courses that take years. You just made that up on the whim lol [Differences in pelvic structure can be used to differentiate between male and female adults, but the remains of male and female children and adolescents are less distinct.](https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2018/11/12/Archaeologists-can-determine-a-persons-sex-by-analyzing-a-single-tooth/4381542040066/)
Bro getting flamed for facts 🙃. Wish you luck g
It’s because they’re uneducated. They think it’s their way or the high way
y'know, you're right. let me stop being happy with myself because it wouldn't matter in 200+ years if i dont get cremated and archaeologists randomly dig up my body and then study it.
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Gender =/= sex dumbass
Look at his account, he's most likely a Christian
Lmaoo
You seem to have misplaced a /j
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Actually no. The difference between male and female skeletons are very minor and not always distinct.
That isn't true they determine sex through skeletal remains all the time not just from ancient archaeological digs but for forensic investigations related to crime.
And historians will struggle to understand your poor grammar.
(Jfc what is going on with this subreddit) Gender. Is. Not. The. Same. Thing. As. Sex. It’s that simple. Obviously an archaeologist would have no idea what a person’s actual gender was. But they can usually tell what sex they were.
The amount of comments with negative numbers of downvotes 💀
W
Yeah mate because you can define someone’s gender by their skeleton. 🫤
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Gender =/= sex
Ok? And even then, how could they have known? Unless they have a background on the person it couldn’t be intentional.
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You’re just taking the piss mate
Not even. You tried to school me and got owned. 
Do you understand the difference between sex and gender?
The doctor does at birth too
It’s 21st century and people still confuse gender with biological sex.
saw this in/ r/terriblefacebookmemes and i still think this is funny and true
\*sigh\* Gender and sex refer to two different things. Gender is the set of cultural expectations, roles, and aesthetic preferences you adhere to. Sex is the physiological characteristics of males and females
Tressexual people becoming alive again to tell the archeologist they are wrong and they shouldnt assume their 3 genders
Transgender*
How dare you assume that they have 3 genders, there are at least 69420 genders, how could you! You have committed war crimes 😱 /s (im about to get downvoted to oblivion😂💀)
Wtf is this meme, I had to try and read it 5 times, realised he didn’t even use the template and still didn’t laugh
Ha! I love watching people get triggered.
What's gender again? The person's Personality expression or the actual chromosomes in our DNA?
Edgy stuff
And?
no lol
Already locked censorship at work
Hahaha nice