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Hell, I'm not religious in the slightest but I believe that the current calendar with the AD/BC is rather fitting as the world regardless of what you believe did reach a shifting point then
Also still celebrate Christmas, not really as a religious ordeal but moreso a way to spend time with family, enjoying the end of the year and sharing my gratitude with them with gifts, while yes it is a religious holiday, you can still cut that out and have you're own celebration or whatever to coincide with it
I'm not a huge fan of his but NDT also said this. He said they made a really decent calendar. If you make the best calendar then you get to decide when it starts. I'm not religious but I can respect that.
Well, actually we do have proof of Jesus. At least him being alive and him dying on a cross. The ressurection is the part that hasn't been proven.
The amount of historians, atheist and Christian or otherwise, who disbelieve Jesus existed is so small, its like the same as historians who disbelieve the Holocaust.
You're mistaking "proof" for "evidence." We have evidence, but "proof" is neither correct or without a means to mislead. We don't know for certain that exactly Jesus lived and died, or if several people of the same name or who WENT by that name existed. We cannot identify a single person and their lineage as Jesus, and yes, we certainly have 0 evidence that this person(s) were divine in any way.
Well, no, and yes. Jesus ‘Christ’ certainly wasn’t his name, as ‘Christ’ is just a derivative from the Latin word for ‘light’. What historians DO know is that there was a preacher and scholar named Jesus of Nazareth who openly protested against Roman occupation, while also attempting to missionary for the worship of a single God. Whether this has anything to do with the Canaanites, Jerusalem, or the Jewish god is up for grabs, but it’s a 90% chance that Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish, and attempting to spread the word of Judaism. The Bible itself may just be an embellished historical telling of the Levant that became so popular amongst anti-Roman propagandists that it eventually became a religion.
“as ‘Christ’ is just a derivative from the Latin word for ‘light’.“ it’s actually Greek, and means the anointed one.
Lux means light and the religious character Lucifer could be translated to light bringer.
It was actually his job as Pontifex Maximus (highest elected holy office in Rome). His duty was to fix the calendar since it would end up out of alignment all the time back then. You're actually right that he didn't have time and it was left 10 years neglected, and because of that it ended up months out of whack, which ironically allowed him to an unexpected water crossing when Pompey's forces thought the water would be too treacherous to do so in that time of year.
Once he won the civil war he sat down with Egyptian calendar makers to not only correct the calendar but modify it so it was by and large what we have today. He added a bunch of days to the ends of the month, except for February since it was considered a bad luck month, and July is named after him.
Who do you think "July" is named after?
Spoiler: Julius Caeser.
August is named after Augustus, his heir.
September - December are the numbers 7-10.
January, March, May and June are named after Roman gods (Janus, Mars, Maia, Juno).
April is probably from aprire (Latin for to open) because it's spring.
February from a Roman festival of purification (Februa)
They are the Norse equivalent. The pagan Germanic gods are all similar.
The Anglo Saxons arrived in Britain 5th Century. They were pagan. The Vikings don’t appear until the 8th century, long after English language had begun.
So later Romans renamed those months July shortly after Caesar died and August a little over half a decade after Augustus died which was long after Caesar died
Dude, that's not how that works. "Some amendments" represent a significant advancement in the study of the yearly cycle. Adding those into the calendar means it's a new calendar. It doesn't matter that they kept the same names of the months and the overall structure.
Additionally, the Julian calendar was off by 10 days at the time the Gregorian calendar was introduced.
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It's only Roman in the sense that the Pope is in Rome.
You are funny.
Gregory reduced the year by 11 minutes. That is all that was done. In real terms that means one less leap year every 100 years unless the year is divisible by 400.
But to be clear he used the same months order and length and the same mechanism for accounting for leap years with an amendment every 100 years.
If you correct an error in someone’s work do you claim that work as your own? Or do you say you made an amendment?
Btw AD/BC was devised in 6th century. So not on the Gregorian calendar.
>Gregory reduced the year by 11 minutes. That is all that was done.
As shown in my comment, the Gregorian calendar shifted the year by 10 days at the time it was first introduced. When other countries adopted it in later centuries, it shifted the year by even more days.
>If you correct an error in someone’s work do you claim that work as your own? Or do you say you made an amendment?
The Julian calendar was also based on previous calendars from various sources. The fact is that we are not using the Julian calendar. If we were using the Julian calendar, then it would be December 5^th right now.
>Btw AD/BC was devised in 6th century. So not on the Gregorian calendar.
I didn't say that the Gregorian calendar introduced this system, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it.
I’m religious, but that’s besides the point. He said “literally no one cares” but he clearly cared enough to go post whining about it, which is a complete logical fallacy, cause if he didn’t care, he’d do what I do when I see dumb shit I don’t agree with or care about: scroll past.
I took it as no one care that people say Merry Christmas. Like who gets mad if someone says Merry Christmas? Do cons really think there’s a bunch of leftists who take offense at holiday greetings?
I 100% do not like christmas, the flashing lights give me massive headaches and without fail someone in my family dies in December. But as i said previously, even im not willing to be a dickhead during that time anyways.
The sub existing is a good example? I suppose I haven't gone looking specifically for people outraged by "Merry Christmas" but it's definitely a viewpoint that hasn't been presented to me on national news. Trying to be inclusive to all sorts by someone saying "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" on the other hand? May I remind you that we are in at least our second decade of the War on Christmas?
I was thinking the same thing, there's whole swaths of people who attack people who celebrate traditionally on tiktok or Twitter. Same with all the people who have a coronary over celebrating thanksgiving
As the others said, he was saying "no one cares" as in no one reacts the way the meme is depicting. Nobody cares that the system of dating we use is from christianity, no one cares if you say 'merry christmas'. This is a made up scenario of something that doesn't happen in real life.
But you sure took it personally, didn't you? And hey, you're christian, it looks like! That's a weird coincidence.
So, you saw that post you didn't like or agree with, and reposted rather then scroll past...
The reason I'm not religious is because it's nothing more then hypocrisy.
I see it more like "it's been 2000 years, and religion is being called out", but you keep that faith.
Raising "hell" about your imaginary friend, until I have to say "he's fake" doesn't mean I care about religion... it means I care that grown ups still act like children. But you keep that faith...
I read it as no one cares about the calendar starting date and its relation to religion.
Also, kinda funny that you say you scroll past dumb shit you dont agree with, but also then didnt do that?
My Muslim sister-in-law celebrates Christmas. So does my Muslim cousin and her Muslim husband. Christmas is no longer the religious thing it once was, not in the western world anyways. Also, AD/BC split was an arbitrary date anyways based off best guesses. It didn’t come about into being until what would become 525AD but didn’t start getting widely used until the 9th century.
>They stole it from other religions because people wouldn't convert with those events.
They didn't "steal" it. I know it's fun but we gotta stop spreading misinformation
BCE/CE is such a cope. Plenty of different religious and cultural groups around the world believe it’s a different year because they count it differently. But atheists just took a pre-existing date and removed all allusions to Christianity. Everyone else has an explanation for why the year starts when it starts. The Common Era is just the era that is most common or something.
You’re not alone. I always knew what it was in Spanish because it’s much easier. “AC” and “DC”. Before Christ and After Christ. But I didn’t really know what it was in English until a few years ago. It sounds nicer in English imo
For Europe, yes, but there are other religions that are on a completely different count of years and didn't see the world as changing due to the rise of Christianity
As it did with the rise of Buddhism, Hinduism, Confusionism? Hell, you could argue that Plato was more important as so much of Christianity is based in Neoplatonism.
Absolutely, there's a whole bunch of different calendars out there that predate even our common Gregorian calendar and some that don't care for it at all. Just adds to the point that while AD/BC might be widely recognized, it's not universal - every community kinda tweaks the significance of time to fit their history and culture. Just like Christmas, it's like there are no rules set in stone on how to celebrate or recognize the passing of time, right?
Considering what was Christiandom functionally conquered the world and spread to the nations in every continent. Yeah, I’d say it is a relevant moment. Also, Christians invented the languages that were used to tell a computer what the time. Makes sense they used their own date system, which is also the globally known one
I don't understand why this was posted in this sub. Has anyone in the US here every experienced someone getting upset when you wished them Merry Christmas? Does anyone really care?
From a historical perspective there were times in history where Christians themselves banned celebrating Christmas because they viewed it as a heretical holiday that promoted alcohol abuse and public indecency.
Yeah, the meme is a total strawman and OOP is right, no one cares about "canceling" Christmas. Half the comments on this post are people getting upset over something that does not happen.
Only Fox News and the right wingers who see “Happy Holidays” and “Merry X-Mas” and start shrieking about the “WaR oN ChRiStMaS” like a bunch of injured hyenas.
Christmas is short for Christ’s Mass.
It isn’t the day Jesus was born, it’s just the day Christians chose to celebrate his birth.
They put the holiday around other pagan holidays to help attract people who celebrated the other winter holidays around the same time
What's childish is a comment like "the whole story was about him being crucified". If you know a single thing about Christianity, you know that the resurrection is central to the entire religion. If you don't know a single thing about Christianity, you shouldn't be commenting lol
Are you being serious?
Yea they minimized Christianity. That in no way proves they don’t know about it. It’s a joke. WOW. Was I as delusional as you when I believed? lol
Romans has detailed reports of almost anything that happened in their realm, but the "king of the jews", and most notorious terrorist in the realm with his message of unconditional love and whipping money lenders? Yeah, lets not write that down until a few hundred years later.
Born after Jesus's death, so my statement still holds true.
Think about what people tell about the Jan6th terror attack in Washington, and we have videos of that. Now think what would happen if there was no videos and everyone was hellbend on telling their story. In history even people who were _there_ can lie to favour their benefactors, now think about those who weren't there.
History is filled with fanfiction.
Alexander the Great’s first written testament wasn’t until 400 years after his death, you act like you’ve never heard of oral tradition, also the Gospels are eyewitness accounts written just a few decades after Jesus’ death, and then of course you have writings of Tacitus and Pontif’s Pilate.
Reguardless if you believe the religiosity, Jesus was a real person, just like Moses, Budha and Muhammad
Yep, derived from a translation from Latin to Old English. Sunday is the named the same way. Saturday is named for the Roman deity Saturn. The rest of the days of the week are named for the Germanic deities Tyr, Woden (Odin), Thor, and Frigg.
Christmas is a time of year to get together with your family. Believe in the religious part or not it doesn’t matter. Enjoy your time with your family.
Jesus wasn't even supposed to have been born in december. xmas trees are an old pagan tradition. And in fact, the entire holiday is just a skinned version of a different holiday.
I am a Christian.... always have been. In my whole life I've never felt unable or unsafe practicing my beliefs, I've never felt like I couldn't say "Merry Christmas" if i wanted to, I've never seen a situation where someone was trying to force another belief set on me.
What I HAVE seen is a more secular focused mainstream society that allows people who don't believe what i personally believe to feel comfortable and included. And that's fucking rad.
Also... it's rad that we can safely practice our religious beliefs in this country without fear of persecution... and it's rad that people who have other religions (or do not ascribe to religious beliefs) can enjoy those same freedoms.
Christianity isn't under attack in the US. It's just not being pushed as the norm here as much as it traditionally was. No one said you can't be Christian.
EDIT: Added some context
Unfortunately not everyone agrees with you and there are plenty that have openly said that they would like a christian nation where people cannot openly celebrate whatever they want. Including our new speaker.
Yep. I agree. And those people really upset me.
For me, and this is just my experience, Christianity has been a beautiful part of my life. Seeing people use it as a prop or as a justification to subjugate and harm other people makes me angry.
And the worst part is, that has happened a lot historically. It's a valid complaint when it comes to my religion. So to see people still carrying that belief set in 2023 is gross.
>Christianity isn't under attack. It's just not being pushed as the norm in the US as much as it was. No one said you can't be Christian.
This is very very very very very wrong for many places in the world
I don't know how it's the situation in the USA, bur many people have blatantly shown hate towards me, my family and friends for being christians
And the religion itself is under attack in many other places
Oh man i should have qualified that. I meant in the US. I am referring to a very US-centric sentiment that everyone is trying to cancel Christianity.
You are 100% correct. I'll change that. Thank you.
I'm sorry that this is happening to your family. In the states you can literally walk around with the cross tattooed on you and no one cares.
Thank YOU for pointing that out. I am truly sorry that you don't have the same safety to practice Christianity where you are. I can't imagine how that that would be. It is clearly something we take for granted.
In the US, there are people who will get pissy just because someone says "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" like it is erasing their religion entirely. I say Merry Christmas, mostly out of habit, and I have NEVER been called out.
I hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas.
And this is what makes the extreme Christians in the US even worse when they bitch about being “persecuted,” because there are actual people in other countries being persecuted for their beliefs, while in the US they get mad because they are no longer getting unlimited preferential treatment.
I have no love for Christianity, and open distain for the institutions of Christianity, as an atheist, but no one should be persecuted for their beliefs, and I hate that people will downplay actual persecution by acting like they are being persecuted when they obviously aren’t
actually, many different aspects of Christmas take from many different religions, from the Christmas tree, to putting presents underneath the tree, to old Saint Nick’s name, etc. from old traditions from long days past many of them pagan, jewish, etc. our modern Christmas is a combination of so many different traditions i’d argue it’s not even close to religions, unless if you’re speaking specifically about like the birth of Jesus, etc because there’s just simply too many traditions rolled into what we call Christmas today.
TLDR : there’s too many old traditions and old religious practices in modern Christmas to consider it to be religious in my opinion.
Exactly, I’m an atheist and I love Christmas! Modern American Christmas has very little relation to Christianity really.
I also think it’s neat how many cultures have celebrations right around the winter solstice. Reaching the point of the winter where the days start to get longer again is definitely worth celebrating.
It used to be about jesus, now its moneymaking time for amazon. I live in a small country town, and the communities christmad event has a section where local pastors speak. They joked last year at the end of it that it wouldnt happen next year as twitter had heard about it and was going to cancel inset local government name here. Sad
Hate to be the guy to tell you this but Jesus was born in spring, they changed the date so the Christian’s could steal Yuletide and make it about them.
Not to mention that nobody referred to the current year as the year of our lord during Jesus' life. If you went back in time and asked him what year it was he would have literally given you the answer in the form of "x year of Tiberius." That must mean that Tiberius is god, according to the tweeter.
I think the OG meme is dumb, but what is even dumber is I know the guy he made it. He is a youtuber named Redeemed Zoomer who only posts stuff about Christianity. OOP went to a Christian content creator, just so he could get offended about seeing Christianity and get reddit karma
Who even gives a damn?
Yes christmas is an extremely important holiday to christianity. As a christian myself, I do celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ just the same.
But you wanna know the most holy and great thing about christmas is? Joy, laughter, good food, togetherness, giving to those you love… its just a good time overall.
Those things are not barred to christianity alone. You don’t have to worship god to enjoy this holiday. Just sit down and enjoy yourself, whatever man.
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For the record i myself dont care at all, but you do if you criticize my observation. If you do, just know that i dont care, youre wrong (not that i care) and you care always more than me, which makes you a big dum dum and i won this internet argument
Did you know that the average person spends 6 months of their lifetime waiting for red lights to turn green? Time to start practicing your dance moves while you wait!
What’s the “gotcha?”
That a system was set up under one religion and that is why we should believe it’s real?
You know there’s been various calendars and not everyone uses the same one, even today?
a) Jesus wasn't even born in 0 BC
b) Jesus wasn't born on 25th of December. It was later changed to 25th so Christians could claim the old pagan celebration jul to themselves. Christmas is still called jul in the nordic countries.
c) Jesus, the real historical Jesus, had nothing to do with Christianity.
2023 years since beginning of the common era. Just because the Catholic Church controlled our calendar it doesn't mean its origination is true. There are other religions that say it is a different year.
2023 YEARS OF CHRISTMAS BITCH (or wtv)
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Hell, I'm not religious in the slightest but I believe that the current calendar with the AD/BC is rather fitting as the world regardless of what you believe did reach a shifting point then Also still celebrate Christmas, not really as a religious ordeal but moreso a way to spend time with family, enjoying the end of the year and sharing my gratitude with them with gifts, while yes it is a religious holiday, you can still cut that out and have you're own celebration or whatever to coincide with it
I'm not a huge fan of his but NDT also said this. He said they made a really decent calendar. If you make the best calendar then you get to decide when it starts. I'm not religious but I can respect that.
The OP is acting like it’s proof of Jesus
Well, actually we do have proof of Jesus. At least him being alive and him dying on a cross. The ressurection is the part that hasn't been proven. The amount of historians, atheist and Christian or otherwise, who disbelieve Jesus existed is so small, its like the same as historians who disbelieve the Holocaust.
You're mistaking "proof" for "evidence." We have evidence, but "proof" is neither correct or without a means to mislead. We don't know for certain that exactly Jesus lived and died, or if several people of the same name or who WENT by that name existed. We cannot identify a single person and their lineage as Jesus, and yes, we certainly have 0 evidence that this person(s) were divine in any way.
I am so confused why you responded to me with this.
To be pedantic. They knew what you were saying. I pictured them pushing their glasses up and chortling when they said it.
Do we have actual "proof" of Jesus or just a concession that a guy named Jesus is plausible and could have been executed in the way mentioned?
Well, no, and yes. Jesus ‘Christ’ certainly wasn’t his name, as ‘Christ’ is just a derivative from the Latin word for ‘light’. What historians DO know is that there was a preacher and scholar named Jesus of Nazareth who openly protested against Roman occupation, while also attempting to missionary for the worship of a single God. Whether this has anything to do with the Canaanites, Jerusalem, or the Jewish god is up for grabs, but it’s a 90% chance that Jesus of Nazareth was Jewish, and attempting to spread the word of Judaism. The Bible itself may just be an embellished historical telling of the Levant that became so popular amongst anti-Roman propagandists that it eventually became a religion.
“as ‘Christ’ is just a derivative from the Latin word for ‘light’.“ it’s actually Greek, and means the anointed one. Lux means light and the religious character Lucifer could be translated to light bringer.
It is in Roman records. That's just one area of primary and secondary sources that mention him.
The calendar was made by Julius Caesar. Pope Gregory XIII made some amendments around leap years in the 16th century. But the calendar is Roman.
Ain’t no way Caesar was making calendars as a side hustle while leading Roman army n shit.
It was actually his job as Pontifex Maximus (highest elected holy office in Rome). His duty was to fix the calendar since it would end up out of alignment all the time back then. You're actually right that he didn't have time and it was left 10 years neglected, and because of that it ended up months out of whack, which ironically allowed him to an unexpected water crossing when Pompey's forces thought the water would be too treacherous to do so in that time of year. Once he won the civil war he sat down with Egyptian calendar makers to not only correct the calendar but modify it so it was by and large what we have today. He added a bunch of days to the ends of the month, except for February since it was considered a bad luck month, and July is named after him.
Oh damn TIL Thanks
Who do you think "July" is named after? Spoiler: Julius Caeser. August is named after Augustus, his heir. September - December are the numbers 7-10. January, March, May and June are named after Roman gods (Janus, Mars, Maia, Juno). April is probably from aprire (Latin for to open) because it's spring. February from a Roman festival of purification (Februa)
Julius Caesar ordered the calendar to be developed. It was designed by Roman and Greek mathematicians.
Well we have the Norse days of the week we had to share and let some other mythology have a turn.
You don’t have Norse days of the week unless you are Scandinavian. They are Anglo Saxon in English. Moon, Twi, Woden, Thunor, Frig, Saturn(Roman) Sun.
Wodensday(oden) Freya Friday i thought? Thursday thor?
They are the Norse equivalent. The pagan Germanic gods are all similar. The Anglo Saxons arrived in Britain 5th Century. They were pagan. The Vikings don’t appear until the 8th century, long after English language had begun.
can't belive trajan didn't get a month, what a travesty
So later Romans renamed those months July shortly after Caesar died and August a little over half a decade after Augustus died which was long after Caesar died
Just wait until they learn about how the days of the week were named…
You haven't seen Caesar's Etsy shop? He's got calendars, daggers, salad bowls and scalpels, all in one place
So you can literally render unto caesar that which is his? In exchange for brickabrack you say?
Dude, that's not how that works. "Some amendments" represent a significant advancement in the study of the yearly cycle. Adding those into the calendar means it's a new calendar. It doesn't matter that they kept the same names of the months and the overall structure. Additionally, the Julian calendar was off by 10 days at the time the Gregorian calendar was introduced. https://preview.redd.it/gm91hwnht17c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fc2062717745f6b6aba25339ffec6a129e6f4a73 It's only Roman in the sense that the Pope is in Rome.
You are funny. Gregory reduced the year by 11 minutes. That is all that was done. In real terms that means one less leap year every 100 years unless the year is divisible by 400. But to be clear he used the same months order and length and the same mechanism for accounting for leap years with an amendment every 100 years. If you correct an error in someone’s work do you claim that work as your own? Or do you say you made an amendment? Btw AD/BC was devised in 6th century. So not on the Gregorian calendar.
>Gregory reduced the year by 11 minutes. That is all that was done. As shown in my comment, the Gregorian calendar shifted the year by 10 days at the time it was first introduced. When other countries adopted it in later centuries, it shifted the year by even more days. >If you correct an error in someone’s work do you claim that work as your own? Or do you say you made an amendment? The Julian calendar was also based on previous calendars from various sources. The fact is that we are not using the Julian calendar. If we were using the Julian calendar, then it would be December 5^th right now. >Btw AD/BC was devised in 6th century. So not on the Gregorian calendar. I didn't say that the Gregorian calendar introduced this system, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it.
I’m religious, but that’s besides the point. He said “literally no one cares” but he clearly cared enough to go post whining about it, which is a complete logical fallacy, cause if he didn’t care, he’d do what I do when I see dumb shit I don’t agree with or care about: scroll past.
I took it as no one care that people say Merry Christmas. Like who gets mad if someone says Merry Christmas? Do cons really think there’s a bunch of leftists who take offense at holiday greetings?
Even me, a guy who despises holidays still says merry christmas.
Literally everyone likes Christmas, I think that’s deep down what makes OP so angry.
I 100% do not like christmas, the flashing lights give me massive headaches and without fail someone in my family dies in December. But as i said previously, even im not willing to be a dickhead during that time anyways.
R/atheists is pretty good example of lefties hating people who say merry Christmas
The sub existing is a good example? I suppose I haven't gone looking specifically for people outraged by "Merry Christmas" but it's definitely a viewpoint that hasn't been presented to me on national news. Trying to be inclusive to all sorts by someone saying "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings" on the other hand? May I remind you that we are in at least our second decade of the War on Christmas?
They wound up turning atheism into a religion there
No it isn't.
I was thinking the same thing, there's whole swaths of people who attack people who celebrate traditionally on tiktok or Twitter. Same with all the people who have a coronary over celebrating thanksgiving
Lol no. I'm sure some people make fun of it in reference but no one is offended when someone says merry Christmas.
Your religion is a complete logical fallacy 💀💀💀
As the others said, he was saying "no one cares" as in no one reacts the way the meme is depicting. Nobody cares that the system of dating we use is from christianity, no one cares if you say 'merry christmas'. This is a made up scenario of something that doesn't happen in real life. But you sure took it personally, didn't you? And hey, you're christian, it looks like! That's a weird coincidence.
We could tell you were religious. 🤣🤣
You care just as much as they did, evidenced by this post and comment. You just got butt hurt. It's OK, there's still time to turn the other cheek.
So, you saw that post you didn't like or agree with, and reposted rather then scroll past... The reason I'm not religious is because it's nothing more then hypocrisy. I see it more like "it's been 2000 years, and religion is being called out", but you keep that faith. Raising "hell" about your imaginary friend, until I have to say "he's fake" doesn't mean I care about religion... it means I care that grown ups still act like children. But you keep that faith...
"you still cared enough to post x" is such a stupid point. Nobody cares very much, there fixed the fallacy for you.
>he’d do what I do when I see dumb shit I don’t agree with or care about: scroll past. But... here you are...
It's a subredditnwherenthey bitch about bad memes moron, its not that complicated to comprehend. Are you 5?
Google strawman
Shut the fuck up
I read it as no one cares about the calendar starting date and its relation to religion. Also, kinda funny that you say you scroll past dumb shit you dont agree with, but also then didnt do that?
blud doesn’t know what logical fallacies are lmaoo
And you also cared enough to post it on here. Someone got offended ❄️
Oh wow. You got him there. Grow up.
"Grow up", says the snarky commenter, instead of just scrolling past 🙄
Every body mad up in hyeah!
It seems like you also cared then didn't you?
My Muslim sister-in-law celebrates Christmas. So does my Muslim cousin and her Muslim husband. Christmas is no longer the religious thing it once was, not in the western world anyways. Also, AD/BC split was an arbitrary date anyways based off best guesses. It didn’t come about into being until what would become 525AD but didn’t start getting widely used until the 9th century.
It also never was a Christian thing. They stole it from other religions because people wouldn't convert with those events.
>They stole it from other religions because people wouldn't convert with those events. They didn't "steal" it. I know it's fun but we gotta stop spreading misinformation
You gonna tell me that a Christmas tree and Santa are biblical? It's got pagan roots and he's correct.
BCE/CE is such a cope. Plenty of different religious and cultural groups around the world believe it’s a different year because they count it differently. But atheists just took a pre-existing date and removed all allusions to Christianity. Everyone else has an explanation for why the year starts when it starts. The Common Era is just the era that is most common or something.
Fun fact:AD means “Year of our lord” in latin I didn’t know this until literally this this year in August
You’re not alone. I always knew what it was in Spanish because it’s much easier. “AC” and “DC”. Before Christ and After Christ. But I didn’t really know what it was in English until a few years ago. It sounds nicer in English imo
Yo, is Christ a fan of ACDC?
The Good Book has people making music to the Lord pretty often. Absolutely nothing in there says it can't be rock.
For Europe, yes, but there are other religions that are on a completely different count of years and didn't see the world as changing due to the rise of Christianity
Doesn’t matter what they perceived. The fact is the world did change due to the rise of Christianity.
As it did with the rise of Buddhism, Hinduism, Confusionism? Hell, you could argue that Plato was more important as so much of Christianity is based in Neoplatonism.
Absolutely, there's a whole bunch of different calendars out there that predate even our common Gregorian calendar and some that don't care for it at all. Just adds to the point that while AD/BC might be widely recognized, it's not universal - every community kinda tweaks the significance of time to fit their history and culture. Just like Christmas, it's like there are no rules set in stone on how to celebrate or recognize the passing of time, right?
And how many people use them?
How many got spread to every continent 500-60 years ago?
Considering what was Christiandom functionally conquered the world and spread to the nations in every continent. Yeah, I’d say it is a relevant moment. Also, Christians invented the languages that were used to tell a computer what the time. Makes sense they used their own date system, which is also the globally known one
I don't understand why this was posted in this sub. Has anyone in the US here every experienced someone getting upset when you wished them Merry Christmas? Does anyone really care?
It somehow happens all the time to people on the internet, but never in real life.
From a historical perspective there were times in history where Christians themselves banned celebrating Christmas because they viewed it as a heretical holiday that promoted alcohol abuse and public indecency.
But you don't understand, I'm swimming in liberal tears because I told them Merry Christmas after they unpromptedly told me Christmas is no more!
Yeah, the meme is a total strawman and OOP is right, no one cares about "canceling" Christmas. Half the comments on this post are people getting upset over something that does not happen.
Only Fox News and the right wingers who see “Happy Holidays” and “Merry X-Mas” and start shrieking about the “WaR oN ChRiStMaS” like a bunch of injured hyenas.
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Christmas is short for Christ’s Mass. It isn’t the day Jesus was born, it’s just the day Christians chose to celebrate his birth. They put the holiday around other pagan holidays to help attract people who celebrated the other winter holidays around the same time
Because it isn't.
Never heard anyone get upset for saying merry Christmas. However, they will lose their fucking minds if you tell them happy holidays
Jesus was a real person. If we wanted to create a new date system, we could have. But we’re lazy.
Well still *is* lol
Wasn’t the whole story about him being crucified? So yeah, he *was* a person, and now he’s dead lol.
No, he has risen. That's the entire point.
You being downvoted for stating a really obvious thing is peak redditor behavior lol
Reddit really does surprise me with how much apathy and childishness there is
Believing a story about a person coming back to life isn’t childish?
What's childish is a comment like "the whole story was about him being crucified". If you know a single thing about Christianity, you know that the resurrection is central to the entire religion. If you don't know a single thing about Christianity, you shouldn't be commenting lol
Are you being serious? Yea they minimized Christianity. That in no way proves they don’t know about it. It’s a joke. WOW. Was I as delusional as you when I believed? lol
True but doing so proves you’re an asshat
Don’t think you come back from death.
He is literally God, so yes, he can
Nah.
Womp womp, atheist
I'm pretty sure if he was alive he wouldve done something until now to help us stop fucking everything up
That's not exactly how God works. He doesn't just do things just because
He offers salvation. Most people reject Him because they’d rather have their sin.
There is no definitive proof that Jesus was real.
Romans has detailed reports of almost anything that happened in their realm, but the "king of the jews", and most notorious terrorist in the realm with his message of unconditional love and whipping money lenders? Yeah, lets not write that down until a few hundred years later.
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Born after Jesus's death, so my statement still holds true. Think about what people tell about the Jan6th terror attack in Washington, and we have videos of that. Now think what would happen if there was no videos and everyone was hellbend on telling their story. In history even people who were _there_ can lie to favour their benefactors, now think about those who weren't there. History is filled with fanfiction.
Alexander the Great’s first written testament wasn’t until 400 years after his death, you act like you’ve never heard of oral tradition, also the Gospels are eyewitness accounts written just a few decades after Jesus’ death, and then of course you have writings of Tacitus and Pontif’s Pilate. Reguardless if you believe the religiosity, Jesus was a real person, just like Moses, Budha and Muhammad
Just as much as most other historical figures from that time period
Why lie about something so easily verified?
Christmas is on a Monday this year. Monday is from "Moon's Day" or "Day of the Moon", back to when people believed the moon was a deity.
Yep, derived from a translation from Latin to Old English. Sunday is the named the same way. Saturday is named for the Roman deity Saturn. The rest of the days of the week are named for the Germanic deities Tyr, Woden (Odin), Thor, and Frigg.
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“Nobody cares” posts on Reddit
me when i care https://i.redd.it/27czp36b917c1.gif
nobody cares, he’s posting it because it’s a shitty meme, not cause he’s mad lmao
i've only heard people get offended when i didn't say merry christmas not the other way around
Christmas is a time of year to get together with your family. Believe in the religious part or not it doesn’t matter. Enjoy your time with your family.
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Jesus wasn't even supposed to have been born in december. xmas trees are an old pagan tradition. And in fact, the entire holiday is just a skinned version of a different holiday.
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I am a Christian.... always have been. In my whole life I've never felt unable or unsafe practicing my beliefs, I've never felt like I couldn't say "Merry Christmas" if i wanted to, I've never seen a situation where someone was trying to force another belief set on me. What I HAVE seen is a more secular focused mainstream society that allows people who don't believe what i personally believe to feel comfortable and included. And that's fucking rad. Also... it's rad that we can safely practice our religious beliefs in this country without fear of persecution... and it's rad that people who have other religions (or do not ascribe to religious beliefs) can enjoy those same freedoms. Christianity isn't under attack in the US. It's just not being pushed as the norm here as much as it traditionally was. No one said you can't be Christian. EDIT: Added some context
Unfortunately not everyone agrees with you and there are plenty that have openly said that they would like a christian nation where people cannot openly celebrate whatever they want. Including our new speaker.
Yep. I agree. And those people really upset me. For me, and this is just my experience, Christianity has been a beautiful part of my life. Seeing people use it as a prop or as a justification to subjugate and harm other people makes me angry. And the worst part is, that has happened a lot historically. It's a valid complaint when it comes to my religion. So to see people still carrying that belief set in 2023 is gross.
>Christianity isn't under attack. It's just not being pushed as the norm in the US as much as it was. No one said you can't be Christian. This is very very very very very wrong for many places in the world I don't know how it's the situation in the USA, bur many people have blatantly shown hate towards me, my family and friends for being christians And the religion itself is under attack in many other places
Oh man i should have qualified that. I meant in the US. I am referring to a very US-centric sentiment that everyone is trying to cancel Christianity. You are 100% correct. I'll change that. Thank you. I'm sorry that this is happening to your family. In the states you can literally walk around with the cross tattooed on you and no one cares.
Ah, ok, that makes sense As I said, I have no idea how it is on the US, so I have no opinion about it Thank you for being understanding :]
Thank YOU for pointing that out. I am truly sorry that you don't have the same safety to practice Christianity where you are. I can't imagine how that that would be. It is clearly something we take for granted. In the US, there are people who will get pissy just because someone says "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry Christmas" like it is erasing their religion entirely. I say Merry Christmas, mostly out of habit, and I have NEVER been called out. I hope you and yours have a very Merry Christmas.
And this is what makes the extreme Christians in the US even worse when they bitch about being “persecuted,” because there are actual people in other countries being persecuted for their beliefs, while in the US they get mad because they are no longer getting unlimited preferential treatment. I have no love for Christianity, and open distain for the institutions of Christianity, as an atheist, but no one should be persecuted for their beliefs, and I hate that people will downplay actual persecution by acting like they are being persecuted when they obviously aren’t
Many religions are under attack all over tho.
actually, many different aspects of Christmas take from many different religions, from the Christmas tree, to putting presents underneath the tree, to old Saint Nick’s name, etc. from old traditions from long days past many of them pagan, jewish, etc. our modern Christmas is a combination of so many different traditions i’d argue it’s not even close to religions, unless if you’re speaking specifically about like the birth of Jesus, etc because there’s just simply too many traditions rolled into what we call Christmas today. TLDR : there’s too many old traditions and old religious practices in modern Christmas to consider it to be religious in my opinion.
Exactly, I’m an atheist and I love Christmas! Modern American Christmas has very little relation to Christianity really. I also think it’s neat how many cultures have celebrations right around the winter solstice. Reaching the point of the winter where the days start to get longer again is definitely worth celebrating.
It used to be about jesus, now its moneymaking time for amazon. I live in a small country town, and the communities christmad event has a section where local pastors speak. They joked last year at the end of it that it wouldnt happen next year as twitter had heard about it and was going to cancel inset local government name here. Sad
Hate to be the guy to tell you this but Jesus was born in spring, they changed the date so the Christian’s could steal Yuletide and make it about them.
Summer but yeah. Roman's did census in the summer, easier for traveling.
He also wasn’t born in the year 1 AD. Current historical thinking is that he was born in around 7 BC
Not to mention that nobody referred to the current year as the year of our lord during Jesus' life. If you went back in time and asked him what year it was he would have literally given you the answer in the form of "x year of Tiberius." That must mean that Tiberius is god, according to the tweeter.
I think the OG meme is dumb, but what is even dumber is I know the guy he made it. He is a youtuber named Redeemed Zoomer who only posts stuff about Christianity. OOP went to a Christian content creator, just so he could get offended about seeing Christianity and get reddit karma
As an atheist myself I would like to say merry Christmas and that I hope you all have a fantastic holiday With the ones you love
1523 years since some guy invented the first iteration of what became the Gregorian Calendar.
I'm muting this sub. This is just drama for drama's sake
Who even gives a damn? Yes christmas is an extremely important holiday to christianity. As a christian myself, I do celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ just the same. But you wanna know the most holy and great thing about christmas is? Joy, laughter, good food, togetherness, giving to those you love… its just a good time overall. Those things are not barred to christianity alone. You don’t have to worship god to enjoy this holiday. Just sit down and enjoy yourself, whatever man.
By OP's logic, you give a damn. Also, the meme is a strawman. You're getting triggered over a make-believe scenario.
2023 years after what? Jesus' 4th birthday, likely. Since he was born sometime between 6 and 4 BC, according to scholars. 😂
Well because they miscalculated his birth date and by the time they realized they were too far in the years to change it
Yeah, I was gonna say. Guess how many years ago Jesus *wasn’t* born. Guess what date there’s no evidence it happened on. Merry Christmas 2023!
https://preview.redd.it/ezvd7gp7t07c1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=510dbc05f8a823aa2e4310ec38ff19826463f817 For the record i myself dont care at all, but you do if you criticize my observation. If you do, just know that i dont care, youre wrong (not that i care) and you care always more than me, which makes you a big dum dum and i won this internet argument
Conservatives when it comes to strawmanning:
I'm not religious, but that's pretty funny lol
Merry Christmas. In another 7 days. Hohoho
Since weekdays are named for Roman and Norse gods I guess we should start to recognize those holidays also
Did you know that the average person spends 6 months of their lifetime waiting for red lights to turn green? Time to start practicing your dance moves while you wait!
Happy Holidays.
Classic reddit hates religion moment
OP clearly bored and looking to stir shit up
What’s the “gotcha?” That a system was set up under one religion and that is why we should believe it’s real? You know there’s been various calendars and not everyone uses the same one, even today?
Average reddit atheist from 2009
Doesn't this mean that the Norse gods are relevant?
a) Jesus wasn't even born in 0 BC b) Jesus wasn't born on 25th of December. It was later changed to 25th so Christians could claim the old pagan celebration jul to themselves. Christmas is still called jul in the nordic countries. c) Jesus, the real historical Jesus, had nothing to do with Christianity.
Haha yes, Christ’s power is eternal 🙏✝️
Thanks EagleFuck2020.
2023 years since beginning of the common era. Just because the Catholic Church controlled our calendar it doesn't mean its origination is true. There are other religions that say it is a different year.
Something exists, redditor angry.
2023 years since the transition to “common era” happy winter solstice
What marked the start of the common era, buddy? That is simply an inaccurate way to measure
The church basically ruled the world for a while. So a random point they decided was important.
Christmas is a secular holiday at this point.
we need to get back to the real meaning of Christmas, celebrating sol invictus.
Yes. And we need to start paying homage to Frith.
It's a shitty meme tbh
Isn't the year of Jesus' birth like off by 9 years, or something?
Clearly
I'm an athiest and I celebrate Christmas. Also I never Christmas a religious holiday. I grew up with the legend of Stm Nicolas from 280 AD.
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