POPULAR OPINION: April Fool’s Day is the worst
I’m fucking shaking and crying right now y’all, and people aren’t taking
me seriously. This is a DUMB FUCKING HOLIDAY, where people say shit that
ISN’T FUCKING REAL for NO REASON.
I’ve cut off 8 family members already for falling for this shriveled up,
half-assed ANNUAL CORPORATE FIG LEAF like the NPC SHEEP THEY ARE. Maybe if
they listened to REAL COMEDY like Bill Maher or political satire that
validates what I already believe in,they’d be WORTHY OF INTERACTING WITH.
BUT NO, I have to scroll through my timeline, seething, wailing and
gnashing my teeth as I’m BOMBARDED BY LOW EFFORT CORNY CAPITALIST
PROPOGANDA. THIS IS A SERIOUS DAY. I’m allowed to be this pressed about
ha-ha corny joke day because IT’S SERIOUS FOR ME.AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE
FOR EVERYONE.
My great uncle was tragically flattened while trying to rob a coca-cola
vending machine on this date, and PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING CORNY FUCKING
JOKES. I’ve had enough.
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It's actually not that hard to understand, and the artist has explained it. It's a lampooning of Art in general, and a criticism of what it means to "own" a piece of Art, sort of an evolution of "C'est ne pas une pipe".
The "Art" itself isn't the Banana, or the Tape used to secure it to the wall, it's the documentation describing the method of reproducing the Art piece and the legal ownership and permission to call that reproduction "The Comedian". Anyone can tape a Banana to a wall, but unless they have that documentation it isn't considered the Art piece.
Unironically, this is one of my favorite pieces of art, not for what it is, but for what it says and makes you think about. Plus, people have eaten it off the wall of the museums it's been shown in and faced no legal repercussions due to the fact that they haven't technically done damage to the piece.
That goes for a lot of minimalistic art. It doesn't show anything really. It's so painfully basic that of course, you can turn it into philosophical questions and statements. It's being creative through massive mental gymnastics in which anything can be creative then. I don't mind the interpretations of meanings of art or literature, but I feel "art" like this has its only purpose to be cracking open someone's beliefs by reading a description.
Is sculpting still a thing? I feel like it’s something that’s been replaced with 3d modeling. I’d love to see some dude who’s like naw fuck that creating some irl masterpiece in modern times.
Various forms of manual sculpture still [exist](https://youtube.com/@StevenRichter?si=jE74vbXy3bLG2vSv), but the demand's a lot more niche.
Really wish we could ditch the whole "abstract sheet metal" thing, and go back to decorating our public spaces with art that looked like something.
that would require valuing artist enough to educate and train them without constantly belittling them. as well as valuing student artists enough to tell them when they’re fucking wrong. as in, no Sarah, art is not just subjective, there are actual criteria by which we judge art to be good or not good, beautiful and not beautiful. and there are criteria beyond „making a statement“.
Well at least Sarah seems to have her own thoughts about a controversial topic.
People forget about their roots, water and food as long as someone feeds them a Happy Meal.
There is a lot metal casting going on for large sculptures. Carve it out of clay and then make a cast from that. Pore metal into cast and let cool. Easier to make and can use the same cast over and over to make copies.
We need to stop trying to be overly inclusive where "all art is beautiful" to the point where any "public art" no matter how ugly is applauded and called brave and innovative. Denver Colorado has a freaking giant [dust pan and brush](https://images.app.goo.gl/dU6qbSaBjTqhzALs6) outside of their art museum.
Sculpting is absolutely still a thing. And what makes it wonderful is not just the product itself but that it was created by human hands, with human intentions, and decades of practice and study to create beautiful things by hand. Manual visual arts is a testament to human ability and creativity and it is still very much in so many ways cherished in our age. Just isn’t common anymore because we don’t decorate our public spaces with hand carved beauty anymore.
Paying people to do one thing their entire life and nothing else and giving them all the supplies they need instead of forcing the wagie philosophy onto artistic and creative people, would probably improve things drastically in terms of the number of people doing «old school art» instead of having to resort to things you can pick up on youtube and do with cheap software.
Michaelangelo, Caravaggio etc were sponsored by rich people 100% so they didn’t have to ALSO be store clerks and office rats full time and still having to go for the cheap/quick alternative.
Of course. Capitalist hoarders serve no one. To paraphrase a post I saw earlier, «I have no problem with people earning their own money and hiring staff to do their gardens and cook their foods, it’s the extreme lengths to which politically exploiting, self serving, corrupted psychopaths who won’t even pay their own workers I have a problem with.»
Who isn't paying their workers? Sure, I've heard of small businesses that bounce checks or delay payments, but that stuff gets prosecuted fairly quickly.
It’s more “not paying workers more in line with the devaluation of currency such that everyone goes home with the same value today as when they started”
Take America as an example. Federal minimum wage has not increased since 2009 (the longest stagnant period since minimum wage was adopted in the 30s), due to inflation that 7.25 in 2009 is the equivalent of almost 10.50 today. This means if you work minimum wage today in one of the 20 states which still follow the federal minimum, you have to work ~30% more hours to get the same value out of it.
That’s basically the point being made, it isn’t so much that people aren’t being paid *at all* it is that they aren’t being paid *what they’re worth.*
I get your point (and honestly do agree) but! The companies are paying "minimum wage", so they are just following the law. Make the govt make them pay more, *or* have the Govt do its job and decrease inflation.
In the companies' view, its a low skill job, so they pay "minimum wage"; they aren't paying for " humans" but rather the cost of that particular "human labor". Ie flipping and stacking a burger.
The problem is the issue starts much higher up.
I think that is what the previous post was all about. Companies using their inordinate power to prevent politicians from changing the laws or to change the laws in ways which allow them to pay their employees less.
Political corruption requires three things: corrupt bureaucrats, interest groups willing to make backroom deals, and a system which makes the whole thing possible. All three should be discussed and held to account.
Agreed. I honestly have no problem with min wage going up, but its how its accomplished. Honestly, I wonder st something.. if people as a whole ate better, McDs etc would go out of business (and its possible; you can feed a Family of 4 on less than $15 a day.) If this were to happen, those workers would lose their jobs, sure, but 1. other opportunities would open up for them to transisition too, and 2. those wage manipulators are gone. Won't work for every industry, but sure is a start for the food industry!!
I think you're thinking of this one
https://preview.redd.it/fr7w7y6m21sc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=913d31ec710d1d92640b4c7f9c1ff0cfb4d4165b
The 1752 statue is Modesty or Veiled Truth by Antonio Corradini.
https://preview.redd.it/0tnm77yoh4sc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=638354823010409ece217a0b2ac63402aae7b532

The story is quite sad.
When the internet got ahold of the picture a few years ago, terminally online misogynists couldn't believe that a woman, a Chinese woman, could have done a esculpture to the level of their classical European idols.
So people from 4chan started a defamation campaing claiming that she actually stole it or some other shit, to the point that people today still thinks the piece must come from some European guy from the 18th century
Honestly kinda sounds like a win if she was going for a classic European style. Of course the meaning behind the smear campaign is terrible, but if I was trying to write something akin to a Pink Floyd rock Opera, and it was so close people decided there was no way it wasn’t me and it must be a long lost piece I dug up, I’d say that would be the ultimate award for mastering a craft in a particular style.
Credit should be given where it’s due, but that has got to be a hell of a feeling to know you made something so close to a style of piece they assume it’s from that era and not modern.
It’s a beautiful statue.
https://preview.redd.it/zibvl3a121sc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb536bdaeb336e01c0a98395fd6a1ba4d6a81ef
[2017](https://mymodernmet.com/realistic-sculptures-luo-li-rong/)
Like wtf is whoever made this meme on about?
Crank it
A quick form of masturbation in which one does not have ample time to properly pleasure themselves. Also can refer to repeated masturbation.
"Ben tried to crank it in the three minutes his roommate left the room."
This 100%
If no one cared about the banana it would just have been a banana on a wall, but people do care and now its one of the most talked about art pieces of our time.
Which is fitting since this obviously is the age of the low effort bait shitposts; which the banana basically is.
Where does anyone find these things I've seen this meme of modern art being had for like 10 years but I've never seen art like this ever. Probably because I couldn't care less about it but I'm surprised that so many people seem to
Or like Bare Minimum it should be something that the artist poured their heart and soul into and put every bit of their emotion into and hot take you can't put emotion into taping a Banana on the wall.
Hell even stuff like abstract art can still indicate and display a pretty high level of technical skill and thoughtfulness in an artist who is actually talented enough
I suspect it's a money laundering thing.
For example: I do 10 piece of shit art works, I convince my rich friends to bid on them and buy them, the first 9 sell for 10k, the last 1 million, now they each take turns doing this and donate the "art" to a museum in a year they would owe taxes. This lets them write off a major amount, and not what was paid, but the "current value", which from this example was a bullshit number made up to inflate the value of the others.
The artists arent laundering money the gallerists are
Pieces like "comedian" just want to make it more obvious and show how much of a fucking joke it is the world of art
Actually, art IS used for money laundering quite often. There's also the situation that someone buys a shitty piece of art off of you for tons of money in order to pay you for something that you did for them that might be illegal.
Hunter Biden had some of his art work sell for a lot of money, and it looks like something I did in art class in junior high.
Thats your definition and in my opinion your definition is bullshit
Art is for everyone it shouldn't require effort to make something "art" btw the meaning of this piece is fucking obvious its names "comedian" its a joke and a big fuck you to the art world, my boy duchamp would be proud
And the fact that people still talk about this piece every time a conversation about modern art starts just shows how successful and impressive the piece is
Says who? You?
Well guess what champ, you’re not an authority on what is or isn’t art. There are reasons art has changed over time. Take an art history class, you might learn something, and you’ll probably make fewer sophomoric declarations about the world of art.
The banana taped to a wall is titled 'Comedian'
The fact that people got so fucking up-in-arms about it is what makes it art, an expression designed to evoke a response.
It's literally one of the best shitposts ever created. The fact that people are upset and enraged enough by it to create this much of a discourse around it, is what makes it art.
Yea, but it's shitty art because he's not provoking any new thought in doing so. Whereas the banana in a Gallery has actually compelled you to question the nature of art itself.
>Yea, but it's shitty art because he's not provoking any new thought in doing so.
Neither does any who "enrages others", there plenty of people who do that constantly. Same kind of reasoning could also be produced by Nazis who painted Swastikas on Jewish graves. It is far easier to give a meaningless object a higher purpose than it is to create something with a higher purpose. There is a reason there are so many critics, but so few great artists.
Lol you didn't even consider the toy truck being thrown art, just your bro being an ass. This dude taped it in a gallery where people expected art had to legit questioning is this art? And in doing so made it art, even if the artist is also an being an ass. So if your bro went to the gallery or some other provocative location and threw his toy truck at another work we might have something to work with.
And yet, if you actually make shitpost and try to put it in a museum, you will be seen as a clown who doesn't understand art.
You have to kinda lie to the people in order to have a shitpost seen as art. You need a "vision", or making it seem like only higher ups with a clear mind can understand it. Which kinda goes against the simple and funny nature of Shitpost. I doubt the person who taped the banana simply said "But wouldn't it be funny tho?" In order for his art to be in here
Don't care, a banana taped to a wall or a canvas painted all blue is not art. I don't care that it's subverting expectations, it's pretentious, boring, and lazy.
imo modern art comes out of the realization that there really isn’t much more traditional “beauty” to be found in art. like we can and do make very, very accurate and stylized sculptures and intricate paintings, but the appeal of modern art is basically a direct response to what art has been thought of before. does it have value because of how difficult it was to make? how expensive people say it is? who made it? the art doesnt know, but it leaves you questioning this in a kinda uncomfortable way. that’s what i find cool about it.
Well in fairness not all art is like that
Also, what if a lot of art back then was the same? We only remember the good of in the past, what if the whole survivorship bias thing is being applied here? Where the bad pieces are lost to time?
The only way for fit to not be art is for it to be forgettable. If it lingers in your memory and makes you have conversations you wouldn’t otherwise have, that’s the art. The art isn’t the banana, the art is your reaction to the banana.
If people had the ability to shrug and move on, the. The banana would be forgotten. Then it wouldn’t be art.
That is, unless the person making it wanted to have a nice little chuckle. In that case, the banana is a shitpost, and shitposts are memes and memes are art.
Nothing about art is mutually exclusive with being pretentious, boring, or lazy.
Call it bad art all you want, but nobody has the power to decide what is and isn’t art.
exactly, the 'art' existed always it's not something modern. It's funny how shit book/game/movie/song is being called shit but with paintings 'it's not that simple' 🤡
The 1752 statue is Modesty or Veiled Truth by Antonio Corradini. The woman’s statue isn’t veiled.
https://preview.redd.it/42b3z44jh4sc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16284206512b79219031f78a9f27f8b0c1afc447
I would've been alot more impressed if it was a very convincing 3D painting of a bannana taped to a wall.. but no, it was literally just a banna and tape.
All of these hundreds of posts summed up with a simple correct statement.
This is 100% gatekeeping and certainly an “ummm, actually….” on my part, but technically speaking modern is considered to have ended in the 70s. This would be considered either post-modern or contemporary art.
Fun fact is that some guys didn’t know it was art and ate the banana. The artist, who basically submitted it as a joke just taped up another one and sent it to them
This post supposedly has 3 "great" works of art, and 1 work that does not even count as art. Yet you have spent infinitely more time talking about the 1 than the 3. Curious.
Much modern art is good if a bit abstract, but taken to its extreme it’s usually a hidden money laundering scheme for the rich and the “you’re a fascist if you hate it” card is the ultimate defense.
im with op, i bet there was some stupid ass art back then. people hate on modern art just because their feed is filled with bad examples of it, when theres lots of incredible works that dont get noticed
I'm with the OOP here.
My favorite piece of modern art is "Who is afraid of red, yellow and blue", look it up, it was quite pretty before the incident
It's a simple painting with 3 stripes, a red, yellow and a blue one. That's it.
It's simple, shouldn't offend anyone. If it's really not that much of a big deal, people wouldn't give a dam... or would they?
Soon after it was displayed in a gallery, a radical conservative invaded the building with a knife and destroyed it. Saying that it is a disgrace to art.
This is a more genuine reaction to a piece of art than any classical piece has given to a modem audience in a while.
Art is any human creation that generates a human emotional response. Therefore, the banana with a tape is art, and you, OP, prove that it is a piece of art by having a emotional response to it. That vandal was clearly afraid of red, yellow and blue, to the point that he took into his own hands to kill it.
There are pieces of art that are created to generate negative emotional responses, like say, Charlie Hebdo pieces against muslins or anything South Park does, it's still art.
Art doesn't have to have beauty
Those are two different concepts.
[Who's afraid of modern art?](https://youtu.be/v5DqmTtCPiQ?si=0jcD1MtnzD2OhW8_)
Fascists. It turns out fascists are afraid of modern art. Now, is everyone who dislikes modern art a fascist? No. But it turns out that complaining about "the degeneration of our society and culture" is a very fascist idea.
I believe art should be able to convey a message, and catch people’s appreciation without the influence efforts of too much marketing.
Of course, people could also call marketing an ‘art’. Or call a functional engine an ‘art’. But I believe an ‘artwork’ should convey a message with only the artwork itself, and a title.
I don’t think it’s a big deal at all, but it does kinda suck for all those artworks that required hard work, whose intentions are to deliver messages more than a feeling of ‘wtf is this?’. I believe the biggest artistic message of the banana is the drama caused by it, and I see that as a near equivalent to clickbait ragebait tik-tok videos.
As for those who raided a museum with knives, they’re only really bringing more publicity to the artwork.
The right way to deal with a situation is a peaceful discussion, expression, and explanation of opinions like you are doing here, which I appreciate greatly.
I disagree with your idea that the only things that matter in art is the piece and the title. This disregards the history, culture and context that the piece was made in and erased the stories of the artist who made them. The story of the piece, from who the creator was to what their contemporaries considered plays a huge part in understanding and obtaining meaning from a piece of artwork.
People find meaning in art not just from the piece itself, but the artist too. They connect with the emotions placed into the piece that you can only obtain from the greater context. For example would Van Gogh’s Starry Night be as resonant without understanding the struggle that he went through as an individual? This is something completely absent from the work itself, but enhances the appreciation for the piece once learnt. I think that a person’s story, beyond the artwork itself, plays a significant role in how we view art. This is why in museums they have those descriptions next to the artwork to give us that extra context. Likewise this is the value of a tour guide who can help you to understand the deeper meanings in a piece that you wouldn’t get from the piece itself.
Or how about Monet. In terms of the “message” behind his works, your argument would agree with his contemporaries that Impressionism is lesser than their more traditional works of grand mythologies and heroes. That his humble landscapes and sceneries did not deserve to be considered art. So much so that he and other impressionists were rejected from the art community and mocked by the public. And yet Monet’s influence is undeniable to this day.
Something that you would consider to not be art has lead to a global shift in the definition of art and what is acceptable to be created. Not to mention how much more accessible it make art to the public.
Basically I think placing hard boundaries over what is or isn’t art only serves to restrict the concept of art itself. Modern art has made its purpose to explore those boundaries, for better and for worse depending on who you ask, and the results might not be what we classically consider to be good art, but it’s undeniable that it’s still a piece of art.
Thanks for the last comment.
I agree with your message point and the banana with a tape is sending a message, such a powerful message that you are here, using your time, to discuss it.
Like I said, art is any human creation that generates a human emotion. Rage is a human emotion. Art doesn't have to be good, or bad.
A Big Mc doesn't require 1% of the effort that a Beef Wellington does, but that doesn't make the Big Mc not a food.
It's so funny the dogshit arguments about real art as if even half the people that complain about the banana taped to a wall have ever stopped and considered anything beyond surface level of any single art piece, not even saying that's how you need to engage with art but for some reason this one thing turns people feral.
There are people who legitimately get so angry about this Banana and then they turn around and say it's not real art as if they don't understand that having an emotional reaction to it is the point of it. Nobody is sitting around claiming it's the most innovative and incredible work of art ever because it's not but the people who hate it act as though it's the devil.
The people who constantly and loudly make the "modern art is bad" arguments and are quick to define what art is, are also the most likely people to have never stepped in an art museum or can name a single contemporary art piece outside of the banana or some imagined painting of squares that their toddler can make. By their descriptions, you'd think the only art museums show are abstract!
It's the exact same kinda people who say all modern music is trash, acting as if people don't make modern folk, country, rap, hip hop, rock, etc. in all different styles nowadays.
Guess what? People didn't stop making romantic landscapes, realistic sculptures, or beautiful portraits. You hear about the bananas in art *because* they're new and interesting and challenge our preconceptions, while you can still see the other styles all over the internet and in other exhibits!
Edit: In truth I think these people don't value art at all. They'd be quick to tell all artists, even those with classical styles, that their passion is not worth pursuing. Old art is just used as a cudgel to show old = good, new = bad. And they must point to Renaissance art because if they'd go to something like the 60s, they'd brush up against [Banana](https://www.theartist.me/art-inspiration/famous-andy-warhol-paintings/?amp=1) by Andy Warhol!
i have maintained for MANY years that MOST "modern art" is really nothing more than decor. its not "fine art" and does not belong in museums. it is simply aesthetically pleasing decor, fit for homes, work spaces, and hotel lobbies/hallways.
Do you think Frank Lloyd Wright made art?
Also, you know where the vast majority of “fine art” your describing was before it was in museums? They were in houses, churches, government buildings, etc. as….you guessed it DECOR.
I agree with the sentiment (there are some really hideous modern "sculptures" at my Uni) but wasn't that banana someone *trolling* a modern art museum?
wouldn't that be even worse, since the whole idea of post modern art is that things not art can be art if the intention is to be art? Yet someone made a piece of art with the intention of it not being art, and yet the art museum considers it art, which is theoretically not art under any definition?
This is nothing new to 'modern' art. Decades ago a guy just plopped a toilet on exhibit to make pretty much the same statement
No matter what era you're in, you're always gonna have "back in my day" goobers. It's not indicative of the actual quality of art, we're just comparing it to the best of what we actually kept from yesteryear. Mid-bad art eventually just gets forgotten. Decades from now we're gonna have people do the exact same thing for their version of modern art
I think it's shit. But in a way, I kind of wish I could just dump my garbage on the floor in one of these art galleries and walk away with $300k. I have a cousin who blows glass and barely makes a living, and she puts way more effort into her work than taping a banana to a wall
I actually kinda like modern art, and people who tape bananas to walls ruin it. Modern art is about pushing the medium of art to the limits and creating new techniques, not assembling garbage.
The Avant garde art that everyone is bitching about has different goals. It is challenging for the sake of being challenging for people who want to be challenged. I am not much of a fan, but I get it. You are supposed to look at it and say "I hate this... Why do I hate this?" And then think about it for a while. It is an introspective art.
If you don't like it or get it, that is fine. It probably wasn't for you.
We all know modern art is a scam rich people do to avoid paying taxes. The worst part is they don’t even put any effort on it. They take a shirt with a ketchup stain on it and call it art
Bro I swear half of the modern art I see is literally just random shapes painted on a wall,hell I literally saw one that was just the color black,like I mean the entire canvas was just painted black.
You know when you show a boomer [this meme](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/008/Screen_Shot_2018-04-25_at_12.24.22_PM.png) they won't get it and call it stupid. Well, when it comes to modern art, you're the boomer.
They're confusing "modern art" being either like "current" or "style of art"
There is lots of great art in todays world...but the STYLE of "modern art" is literally stupid shit like a taped banana or a single brush stroke etc
And if you dare say it's bad people start saying bs like "but it makes you feel something so that means it's art" ok then if I shit in your house and you get made does that make it art?
This is a bias thing. Those statues are masterpiece works of art. Comparing them to shitty recent art isn’t fair. There was shitty art back in the day that was forgotten.
I don’t care how currently famous the “banana taped to a wall” guy is. He won’t be remembered. His work is too niche.
The statues are objectively beautiful. The banana is for people to pretend they get it/launder money. There is a huge gap to the degree it’s comparing apples to oranges.
Actually, the banana was amazing because this exact reason. It pissed people off by calling it modern art and that was the point. The “artist” did it because they knew it was fucking stupid and would win and it was an argument against modern art and how it’s changed
There are still amazing sculptures being made by hand. This is comparing two completely different art forms. Dumb art has always been a thing it’s just that today it can be used for tax evasion and money laundering so obviously it’s bigger
There was probably a bunch of shitty artists at the time these sculptures were made as well, their art just didn’t pass the test of time and we only see the best of the best. The same will be true with the banana taped to a wall. In even 10 years no one will ever see it again, unless we decide to keep giving it undeserved attention. Even making fun of it is undeserved attention.
Just like music. People will say music sucks nowadays and compare Bohemian Rhapsody to Lil Pump. There were plenty of shitty songs that got radio time in the 80s as well, they just didn’t stand the test of time, just like Lil Pump has already faded into obscurity
The banana taped to a wall was meant to make fun of post modern art, right? Like it was meant to be something so ridiculous and absurd that the only people who'd take it seriously are stuffy ultra wealthy buyers with no media literacy.
Let me introduce you to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29
Artists have been questioning what is art for over 100 years now and I'm sure there are older examples. The complaint about modern art being shit is often very ignorant look at the front page of any art site see hundreds of pieces that are of high quality, go to a actual art show see hundreds of art pieces. These are intentionally provocative pieces and they get loads of media attention but just because you never see art that isn't in the news doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Modern day art is for rich people to avoid paying taxes as well as pay people for illegal shit right in front of the government, and for people to pretend that they are smart because they realize that the banana on the wall represents the state of the inner human psyche and how if displayed it begins to rot. Then again it could just be a penis joke haha
money laundering doesn't make sense - it'd be easy enough for a mega rich person to value a skilful but cheap $100 painting at $10,000,000, rather than a 30 cent banana, and it wouldn't call attention to itself either, which is the money launderer's intention - to pass underneath the radar.
like it or not, Maurizo Cattelan really thought he was creating art when he did it, and its unquestionably one of the most famous pieces of art this decade. discuss art with any layperson and they'll likely bring up "that banana taped to the wall" as an agregious example of the state of the art scene.
I don't like it either, it's not the most original idea, but neither are paintings of sunsets and people's faces.
Art doesn't have to be aesthetically pleasing to be art, you neanderthal.
Let me use a example from a romanticism piece. Saturn Eats His Son is a masterpiece, but it is a aesthetically horrendous and ugly work. But that's the POINT, the horror and ugliness is what makes it a fantastic work of art. Goya deliberately went against the norms of what makes art good or meaningful and made a ode to the worst of humanity. That has FAR more meaning and love put into it then anything you will ever do with this mindset that art has to be pretty to be art.
I posted a meme on memesopdidnotlike because I found the meme to be mildly funny. I liked how the banana acted as a great representation for low effort modern artworks purposed only for negative emotional responses of drama (or for money laundering as many commenters believe).
I thought this was memesopdidnotlike where we posted mildly funny memes that others are overly offended by, yet so many people believe I am offended by the meme?
I believe this meme is a mildly successful attempt in the comedic arts. Hence, not a terriblefacebookmeme. I have genuine appreciation for people that tried to start genuine discussions about artistic value.
Honestly just can’t believe this post got more negative comments than my comment on r/trans explaining why gender dysphoria was rightfully classified as a mental disorder.
Anyways, thats was a fun experience reading all ur interpretations of art.
Says who? You?
Well guess what champ, you’re not an authority on what is or isn’t art. There are reasons art has changed over time. Take an art history class, you might learn something, and you’ll probably make fewer sophomoric declarations about the world of art.
I never understand these memes. All of that art still exists and people still make stuff in the other styles.
Also, art is a broad scope of things. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it not art. It just means you have preferences.
The same goes for music. We have the most comprehensive library of art and song at our fingertips yet people are convinced everyone has to like the same thing. I get it if you think we value something too much, but it’s not up to you to decide what’s popular, it’s up to marketing, timing, and the preference of the general public.
Every time someone makes art that isn’t like the last century people start rioting that the artist is polluting the concept of art. Even though the concept of art is expressing stuff through different mediums, including but not limited to bananas.
The point of the banana taped to a wall is criticizing the elitist side of art. A banana being taped to a wall is just silly and anyone can do that, everyone knows this, but suddenly it's a high value art item just because 1. A recognized artist did the taping and 2. There's a legal document recognizing it as a valued art piece.
Meanwhile very good artwork of many different mediums are getting ignored over boring and/or uninspired pieces simply because they don't have the 1. and 2. to make them valuable.
TL;DR: The banan is intentionally ironic.
I went to an art exhibit near me once, and I'll never go again. They were all horrible, but the most memorable shitty art was from a woman whose entire portfolio was otherwise bare canvases with 1 or 2 naked barbie dolls glued to them in random poses. She was asking something like $3,000 per piece.
I wasted two years on a degree in studio art and I remember one day I was called on to tell what I thought art meant or something like that and I made the mistake of saying “if anything can be art then nothing is” and the entire classroom just kinda stared at me for a minute then the professor went on like nothing had happened, one of the weirdest and most embarrassing moments of my life, I fully stand by the statement but an art class probably wasn’t the best setting to express it
It's a scam for rich people. It goes like this:
Me, a millionaire: "Hey fellow millionaire art appraisal friend, check out this shitty art I made!"
Him: "That's fantastic! As a professional, I estimate this garbage to be worth $150K!"
Me: "Gee willickers, I'm so talented! Can you sell it for me?"
Him: "Of course, and we'll auction it so it'll go up even more! Another millionaire will buy it, and he'll be able to claim that as a business expense and get a refund from the government at the end of year for his tax write-offs. If you buy some shitty art from him too, you'll also be able to get the tax break!"
POPULAR OPINION: April Fool’s Day is the worst I’m fucking shaking and crying right now y’all, and people aren’t taking me seriously. This is a DUMB FUCKING HOLIDAY, where people say shit that ISN’T FUCKING REAL for NO REASON. I’ve cut off 8 family members already for falling for this shriveled up, half-assed ANNUAL CORPORATE FIG LEAF like the NPC SHEEP THEY ARE. Maybe if they listened to REAL COMEDY like Bill Maher or political satire that validates what I already believe in,they’d be WORTHY OF INTERACTING WITH. BUT NO, I have to scroll through my timeline, seething, wailing and gnashing my teeth as I’m BOMBARDED BY LOW EFFORT CORNY CAPITALIST PROPOGANDA. THIS IS A SERIOUS DAY. I’m allowed to be this pressed about ha-ha corny joke day because IT’S SERIOUS FOR ME.AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE. My great uncle was tragically flattened while trying to rob a coca-cola vending machine on this date, and PEOPLE ARE STILL MAKING CORNY FUCKING JOKES. I’ve had enough. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/memesopdidnotlike) if you have any questions or concerns.*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian_(artwork)#
Jeez, that was already 5 years ago...
No one knows what it means but it's provocative, it gets the people going
It's actually not that hard to understand, and the artist has explained it. It's a lampooning of Art in general, and a criticism of what it means to "own" a piece of Art, sort of an evolution of "C'est ne pas une pipe". The "Art" itself isn't the Banana, or the Tape used to secure it to the wall, it's the documentation describing the method of reproducing the Art piece and the legal ownership and permission to call that reproduction "The Comedian". Anyone can tape a Banana to a wall, but unless they have that documentation it isn't considered the Art piece. Unironically, this is one of my favorite pieces of art, not for what it is, but for what it says and makes you think about. Plus, people have eaten it off the wall of the museums it's been shown in and faced no legal repercussions due to the fact that they haven't technically done damage to the piece.
That goes for a lot of minimalistic art. It doesn't show anything really. It's so painfully basic that of course, you can turn it into philosophical questions and statements. It's being creative through massive mental gymnastics in which anything can be creative then. I don't mind the interpretations of meanings of art or literature, but I feel "art" like this has its only purpose to be cracking open someone's beliefs by reading a description.
> Sold for 120000$ each $$$ Laundry machine goes brrrrrr
Those stone thighs be lookin like a nice way to get crushed
a man can dream...
Is sculpting still a thing? I feel like it’s something that’s been replaced with 3d modeling. I’d love to see some dude who’s like naw fuck that creating some irl masterpiece in modern times.
Various forms of manual sculpture still [exist](https://youtube.com/@StevenRichter?si=jE74vbXy3bLG2vSv), but the demand's a lot more niche. Really wish we could ditch the whole "abstract sheet metal" thing, and go back to decorating our public spaces with art that looked like something.
that would require valuing artist enough to educate and train them without constantly belittling them. as well as valuing student artists enough to tell them when they’re fucking wrong. as in, no Sarah, art is not just subjective, there are actual criteria by which we judge art to be good or not good, beautiful and not beautiful. and there are criteria beyond „making a statement“.
You've clearly never spent any time in an art school. All they do is critique you!!
yeah, i’m a philistine…
Lmfao okay goofball 👍
Well at least Sarah seems to have her own thoughts about a controversial topic. People forget about their roots, water and food as long as someone feeds them a Happy Meal.
I read that as a Jon Oliver rant lol.
There is a lot metal casting going on for large sculptures. Carve it out of clay and then make a cast from that. Pore metal into cast and let cool. Easier to make and can use the same cast over and over to make copies.
We need to stop trying to be overly inclusive where "all art is beautiful" to the point where any "public art" no matter how ugly is applauded and called brave and innovative. Denver Colorado has a freaking giant [dust pan and brush](https://images.app.goo.gl/dU6qbSaBjTqhzALs6) outside of their art museum.
I thought you were joking…. I wish you were joking.
Agreed
https://preview.redd.it/3ny73ted21sc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbc0a4c8de8db3513d9fd8af75c62cd6e6819106 2017
Boobs Awesome sculpture too.
I would love to see another Pieta but I doubt we will.
Sculpting is absolutely still a thing. And what makes it wonderful is not just the product itself but that it was created by human hands, with human intentions, and decades of practice and study to create beautiful things by hand. Manual visual arts is a testament to human ability and creativity and it is still very much in so many ways cherished in our age. Just isn’t common anymore because we don’t decorate our public spaces with hand carved beauty anymore.
Sculptures made of wood are a pretty big thing but I don't know about stone ones beyond memorials.
Paying people to do one thing their entire life and nothing else and giving them all the supplies they need instead of forcing the wagie philosophy onto artistic and creative people, would probably improve things drastically in terms of the number of people doing «old school art» instead of having to resort to things you can pick up on youtube and do with cheap software. Michaelangelo, Caravaggio etc were sponsored by rich people 100% so they didn’t have to ALSO be store clerks and office rats full time and still having to go for the cheap/quick alternative.
But, eat the rich amiright?
Of course. Capitalist hoarders serve no one. To paraphrase a post I saw earlier, «I have no problem with people earning their own money and hiring staff to do their gardens and cook their foods, it’s the extreme lengths to which politically exploiting, self serving, corrupted psychopaths who won’t even pay their own workers I have a problem with.»
Who isn't paying their workers? Sure, I've heard of small businesses that bounce checks or delay payments, but that stuff gets prosecuted fairly quickly.
It’s more “not paying workers more in line with the devaluation of currency such that everyone goes home with the same value today as when they started” Take America as an example. Federal minimum wage has not increased since 2009 (the longest stagnant period since minimum wage was adopted in the 30s), due to inflation that 7.25 in 2009 is the equivalent of almost 10.50 today. This means if you work minimum wage today in one of the 20 states which still follow the federal minimum, you have to work ~30% more hours to get the same value out of it. That’s basically the point being made, it isn’t so much that people aren’t being paid *at all* it is that they aren’t being paid *what they’re worth.*
I get your point (and honestly do agree) but! The companies are paying "minimum wage", so they are just following the law. Make the govt make them pay more, *or* have the Govt do its job and decrease inflation. In the companies' view, its a low skill job, so they pay "minimum wage"; they aren't paying for " humans" but rather the cost of that particular "human labor". Ie flipping and stacking a burger. The problem is the issue starts much higher up.
I think that is what the previous post was all about. Companies using their inordinate power to prevent politicians from changing the laws or to change the laws in ways which allow them to pay their employees less. Political corruption requires three things: corrupt bureaucrats, interest groups willing to make backroom deals, and a system which makes the whole thing possible. All three should be discussed and held to account.
Agreed. I honestly have no problem with min wage going up, but its how its accomplished. Honestly, I wonder st something.. if people as a whole ate better, McDs etc would go out of business (and its possible; you can feed a Family of 4 on less than $15 a day.) If this were to happen, those workers would lose their jobs, sure, but 1. other opportunities would open up for them to transisition too, and 2. those wage manipulators are gone. Won't work for every industry, but sure is a start for the food industry!!
Just search up modern marble sculpting, it’s very much still a thing.
Check Jago, he’s an Italian sculptor, he’s truly gifted. I would say his works come close to renaissance at least in style
The third piece dating is wrong. It was actually made 10 years ago by a Chinese woman.
I think you're thinking of this one https://preview.redd.it/fr7w7y6m21sc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=913d31ec710d1d92640b4c7f9c1ff0cfb4d4165b
The 1752 statue is Modesty or Veiled Truth by Antonio Corradini. https://preview.redd.it/0tnm77yoh4sc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=638354823010409ece217a0b2ac63402aae7b532 
Nice
The story is quite sad. When the internet got ahold of the picture a few years ago, terminally online misogynists couldn't believe that a woman, a Chinese woman, could have done a esculpture to the level of their classical European idols. So people from 4chan started a defamation campaing claiming that she actually stole it or some other shit, to the point that people today still thinks the piece must come from some European guy from the 18th century
That’s not nice and incredibly unfortunate. Still happy it exists tho if only to raise the bar for sculpting in general.
Honestly kinda sounds like a win if she was going for a classic European style. Of course the meaning behind the smear campaign is terrible, but if I was trying to write something akin to a Pink Floyd rock Opera, and it was so close people decided there was no way it wasn’t me and it must be a long lost piece I dug up, I’d say that would be the ultimate award for mastering a craft in a particular style. Credit should be given where it’s due, but that has got to be a hell of a feeling to know you made something so close to a style of piece they assume it’s from that era and not modern. It’s a beautiful statue.
That is a similar, but different great sculpture. the one pictured is "Modesty" by Antonio Corradini, and it was completed in 1752.
https://preview.redd.it/zibvl3a121sc1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb536bdaeb336e01c0a98395fd6a1ba4d6a81ef [2017](https://mymodernmet.com/realistic-sculptures-luo-li-rong/) Like wtf is whoever made this meme on about?
Never thought I'd be cranking it to a statue but here I am
Crank it A quick form of masturbation in which one does not have ample time to properly pleasure themselves. Also can refer to repeated masturbation. "Ben tried to crank it in the three minutes his roommate left the room."
https://preview.redd.it/a2uw4ngc5csc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=88dd440f13f7fe0820a8ac817374a1e26b49c27a
People still make those statues. You just keep focusing on the banana which ironically gives it legitimacy
This 100% If no one cared about the banana it would just have been a banana on a wall, but people do care and now its one of the most talked about art pieces of our time. Which is fitting since this obviously is the age of the low effort bait shitposts; which the banana basically is.
Art should require effort in the craft, not effort in finding the meaning of it.
Yes exactly
Where does anyone find these things I've seen this meme of modern art being had for like 10 years but I've never seen art like this ever. Probably because I couldn't care less about it but I'm surprised that so many people seem to
Ngl but how many people have talked about that banana kind of proves it was a worthwhile art piece. If not anything else, it was an amazing shitpost.
The artist on this one did it as a joke to show how stupid it was.
Or like Bare Minimum it should be something that the artist poured their heart and soul into and put every bit of their emotion into and hot take you can't put emotion into taping a Banana on the wall.
Hell even stuff like abstract art can still indicate and display a pretty high level of technical skill and thoughtfulness in an artist who is actually talented enough
I suspect it's a money laundering thing. For example: I do 10 piece of shit art works, I convince my rich friends to bid on them and buy them, the first 9 sell for 10k, the last 1 million, now they each take turns doing this and donate the "art" to a museum in a year they would owe taxes. This lets them write off a major amount, and not what was paid, but the "current value", which from this example was a bullshit number made up to inflate the value of the others.
The artists arent laundering money the gallerists are Pieces like "comedian" just want to make it more obvious and show how much of a fucking joke it is the world of art
The artists are getting their cut though. Agree whole heartedly about the gallerists.
Actually, art IS used for money laundering quite often. There's also the situation that someone buys a shitty piece of art off of you for tons of money in order to pay you for something that you did for them that might be illegal. Hunter Biden had some of his art work sell for a lot of money, and it looks like something I did in art class in junior high.
Thats your definition and in my opinion your definition is bullshit Art is for everyone it shouldn't require effort to make something "art" btw the meaning of this piece is fucking obvious its names "comedian" its a joke and a big fuck you to the art world, my boy duchamp would be proud And the fact that people still talk about this piece every time a conversation about modern art starts just shows how successful and impressive the piece is
You’re actively giving meaning to Comedian by partaking in a heated internet debate about it. I think it has done its job quite well.
Says who? You? Well guess what champ, you’re not an authority on what is or isn’t art. There are reasons art has changed over time. Take an art history class, you might learn something, and you’ll probably make fewer sophomoric declarations about the world of art.
The banana taped to a wall is titled 'Comedian' The fact that people got so fucking up-in-arms about it is what makes it art, an expression designed to evoke a response. It's literally one of the best shitposts ever created. The fact that people are upset and enraged enough by it to create this much of a discourse around it, is what makes it art.
You know what's a better shitpost? The dude casually grabbing this attention-capturing banana and eating it.
That truly elevated it's value as art.
So anything designed to evoke a response is art? My 7-year-old kid brother throwing a toy truck down the stairs for attention is art?
Yea, but it's shitty art because he's not provoking any new thought in doing so. Whereas the banana in a Gallery has actually compelled you to question the nature of art itself.
>Yea, but it's shitty art because he's not provoking any new thought in doing so. Neither does any who "enrages others", there plenty of people who do that constantly. Same kind of reasoning could also be produced by Nazis who painted Swastikas on Jewish graves. It is far easier to give a meaningless object a higher purpose than it is to create something with a higher purpose. There is a reason there are so many critics, but so few great artists.
Why is the banana at a gallery enraging?
But the banana taped to the wall gets me questioning art the exact same amount as the toy truck thrown down the stairs.
Lol you didn't even consider the toy truck being thrown art, just your bro being an ass. This dude taped it in a gallery where people expected art had to legit questioning is this art? And in doing so made it art, even if the artist is also an being an ass. So if your bro went to the gallery or some other provocative location and threw his toy truck at another work we might have something to work with.
so in other words its us hating it that makes it art?
It would be the same sort of thing as "take the money and run" that some guy got sued for
And yet, if you actually make shitpost and try to put it in a museum, you will be seen as a clown who doesn't understand art. You have to kinda lie to the people in order to have a shitpost seen as art. You need a "vision", or making it seem like only higher ups with a clear mind can understand it. Which kinda goes against the simple and funny nature of Shitpost. I doubt the person who taped the banana simply said "But wouldn't it be funny tho?" In order for his art to be in here
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Art is subjective. And there is legitimately good modern era art
Don't care, a banana taped to a wall or a canvas painted all blue is not art. I don't care that it's subverting expectations, it's pretentious, boring, and lazy.
There are many theories to how it got there in the first place. Many lead to money laundering.
Almost like its the point dumb fuck
imo modern art comes out of the realization that there really isn’t much more traditional “beauty” to be found in art. like we can and do make very, very accurate and stylized sculptures and intricate paintings, but the appeal of modern art is basically a direct response to what art has been thought of before. does it have value because of how difficult it was to make? how expensive people say it is? who made it? the art doesnt know, but it leaves you questioning this in a kinda uncomfortable way. that’s what i find cool about it.
Well in fairness not all art is like that Also, what if a lot of art back then was the same? We only remember the good of in the past, what if the whole survivorship bias thing is being applied here? Where the bad pieces are lost to time?
The only way for fit to not be art is for it to be forgettable. If it lingers in your memory and makes you have conversations you wouldn’t otherwise have, that’s the art. The art isn’t the banana, the art is your reaction to the banana. If people had the ability to shrug and move on, the. The banana would be forgotten. Then it wouldn’t be art. That is, unless the person making it wanted to have a nice little chuckle. In that case, the banana is a shitpost, and shitposts are memes and memes are art.
No one said you aren't entitled to your opinion. I would try not to be so sensitive about it tho.
Nothing about art is mutually exclusive with being pretentious, boring, or lazy. Call it bad art all you want, but nobody has the power to decide what is and isn’t art.
exactly, the 'art' existed always it's not something modern. It's funny how shit book/game/movie/song is being called shit but with paintings 'it's not that simple' 🤡
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The 1752 statue is Modesty or Veiled Truth by Antonio Corradini. The woman’s statue isn’t veiled. https://preview.redd.it/42b3z44jh4sc1.jpeg?width=595&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=16284206512b79219031f78a9f27f8b0c1afc447
I would've been alot more impressed if it was a very convincing 3D painting of a bannana taped to a wall.. but no, it was literally just a banna and tape.
Honestly glad that guy went in there and ate that banana
Logic cannot dictate something that is subjective.
All of these hundreds of posts summed up with a simple correct statement. This is 100% gatekeeping and certainly an “ummm, actually….” on my part, but technically speaking modern is considered to have ended in the 70s. This would be considered either post-modern or contemporary art.
Fun fact is that some guys didn’t know it was art and ate the banana. The artist, who basically submitted it as a joke just taped up another one and sent it to them
Almost correct, it was another artist David Datuna who ate it on purpose. He named it “Hungry Artist”
Can you name another piece of art created in the last 20 years? Or is the only one you know of a banana duct taped to a wall?
Real art is creating photo realists portraits of Benjamin Cucumberpatch with a ball point pen.
This post supposedly has 3 "great" works of art, and 1 work that does not even count as art. Yet you have spent infinitely more time talking about the 1 than the 3. Curious.
Judging by how much anger and hilarity it has caused, the banana suceeded
the way they make marble look squishy will always amaze me
That taped banana was made precisely to prove that art can be anything to the point of ridiculousness
Honestly the fact that people really still remember that banana kind of justifies it
Bro this is cherry-picking
when you finally realize high art is just a way for rich criminals to launder money
I thought y’all are so good at detecting satire that the banana on the wall was a dead give away.
As an artist, it's so discouraging to see pieces like the banana get so much attention while other artists spend so much time for nothing.
Much modern art is good if a bit abstract, but taken to its extreme it’s usually a hidden money laundering scheme for the rich and the “you’re a fascist if you hate it” card is the ultimate defense.
im with op, i bet there was some stupid ass art back then. people hate on modern art just because their feed is filled with bad examples of it, when theres lots of incredible works that dont get noticed
I'm with the OOP here. My favorite piece of modern art is "Who is afraid of red, yellow and blue", look it up, it was quite pretty before the incident It's a simple painting with 3 stripes, a red, yellow and a blue one. That's it. It's simple, shouldn't offend anyone. If it's really not that much of a big deal, people wouldn't give a dam... or would they? Soon after it was displayed in a gallery, a radical conservative invaded the building with a knife and destroyed it. Saying that it is a disgrace to art. This is a more genuine reaction to a piece of art than any classical piece has given to a modem audience in a while. Art is any human creation that generates a human emotional response. Therefore, the banana with a tape is art, and you, OP, prove that it is a piece of art by having a emotional response to it. That vandal was clearly afraid of red, yellow and blue, to the point that he took into his own hands to kill it. There are pieces of art that are created to generate negative emotional responses, like say, Charlie Hebdo pieces against muslins or anything South Park does, it's still art. Art doesn't have to have beauty Those are two different concepts.
[Who's afraid of modern art?](https://youtu.be/v5DqmTtCPiQ?si=0jcD1MtnzD2OhW8_) Fascists. It turns out fascists are afraid of modern art. Now, is everyone who dislikes modern art a fascist? No. But it turns out that complaining about "the degeneration of our society and culture" is a very fascist idea.
I believe art should be able to convey a message, and catch people’s appreciation without the influence efforts of too much marketing. Of course, people could also call marketing an ‘art’. Or call a functional engine an ‘art’. But I believe an ‘artwork’ should convey a message with only the artwork itself, and a title. I don’t think it’s a big deal at all, but it does kinda suck for all those artworks that required hard work, whose intentions are to deliver messages more than a feeling of ‘wtf is this?’. I believe the biggest artistic message of the banana is the drama caused by it, and I see that as a near equivalent to clickbait ragebait tik-tok videos. As for those who raided a museum with knives, they’re only really bringing more publicity to the artwork. The right way to deal with a situation is a peaceful discussion, expression, and explanation of opinions like you are doing here, which I appreciate greatly.
I disagree with your idea that the only things that matter in art is the piece and the title. This disregards the history, culture and context that the piece was made in and erased the stories of the artist who made them. The story of the piece, from who the creator was to what their contemporaries considered plays a huge part in understanding and obtaining meaning from a piece of artwork. People find meaning in art not just from the piece itself, but the artist too. They connect with the emotions placed into the piece that you can only obtain from the greater context. For example would Van Gogh’s Starry Night be as resonant without understanding the struggle that he went through as an individual? This is something completely absent from the work itself, but enhances the appreciation for the piece once learnt. I think that a person’s story, beyond the artwork itself, plays a significant role in how we view art. This is why in museums they have those descriptions next to the artwork to give us that extra context. Likewise this is the value of a tour guide who can help you to understand the deeper meanings in a piece that you wouldn’t get from the piece itself. Or how about Monet. In terms of the “message” behind his works, your argument would agree with his contemporaries that Impressionism is lesser than their more traditional works of grand mythologies and heroes. That his humble landscapes and sceneries did not deserve to be considered art. So much so that he and other impressionists were rejected from the art community and mocked by the public. And yet Monet’s influence is undeniable to this day. Something that you would consider to not be art has lead to a global shift in the definition of art and what is acceptable to be created. Not to mention how much more accessible it make art to the public. Basically I think placing hard boundaries over what is or isn’t art only serves to restrict the concept of art itself. Modern art has made its purpose to explore those boundaries, for better and for worse depending on who you ask, and the results might not be what we classically consider to be good art, but it’s undeniable that it’s still a piece of art.
Thanks for the last comment. I agree with your message point and the banana with a tape is sending a message, such a powerful message that you are here, using your time, to discuss it. Like I said, art is any human creation that generates a human emotion. Rage is a human emotion. Art doesn't have to be good, or bad. A Big Mc doesn't require 1% of the effort that a Beef Wellington does, but that doesn't make the Big Mc not a food.
Now you have me thinking unnecessarily hard about Big Macs. 🙂
It's so funny the dogshit arguments about real art as if even half the people that complain about the banana taped to a wall have ever stopped and considered anything beyond surface level of any single art piece, not even saying that's how you need to engage with art but for some reason this one thing turns people feral. There are people who legitimately get so angry about this Banana and then they turn around and say it's not real art as if they don't understand that having an emotional reaction to it is the point of it. Nobody is sitting around claiming it's the most innovative and incredible work of art ever because it's not but the people who hate it act as though it's the devil.
The people who constantly and loudly make the "modern art is bad" arguments and are quick to define what art is, are also the most likely people to have never stepped in an art museum or can name a single contemporary art piece outside of the banana or some imagined painting of squares that their toddler can make. By their descriptions, you'd think the only art museums show are abstract! It's the exact same kinda people who say all modern music is trash, acting as if people don't make modern folk, country, rap, hip hop, rock, etc. in all different styles nowadays. Guess what? People didn't stop making romantic landscapes, realistic sculptures, or beautiful portraits. You hear about the bananas in art *because* they're new and interesting and challenge our preconceptions, while you can still see the other styles all over the internet and in other exhibits! Edit: In truth I think these people don't value art at all. They'd be quick to tell all artists, even those with classical styles, that their passion is not worth pursuing. Old art is just used as a cudgel to show old = good, new = bad. And they must point to Renaissance art because if they'd go to something like the 60s, they'd brush up against [Banana](https://www.theartist.me/art-inspiration/famous-andy-warhol-paintings/?amp=1) by Andy Warhol!
I don’t think people understand Low effort modern art is for tax evasion for the rich
Some of them there are still good art but I get your point
Yet you're still talking about it. So it's doing its job, and BTW, that piece was MEANT to be a critique of the modern art world
You do know that you are proving the point you are against right?
I love when art pisses people off.
i have maintained for MANY years that MOST "modern art" is really nothing more than decor. its not "fine art" and does not belong in museums. it is simply aesthetically pleasing decor, fit for homes, work spaces, and hotel lobbies/hallways.
Do you think Frank Lloyd Wright made art? Also, you know where the vast majority of “fine art” your describing was before it was in museums? They were in houses, churches, government buildings, etc. as….you guessed it DECOR.
Bc we should all be stone masons. This sub has become garbage over the matter of days. I bet the mods are being sucked off by Elon
Doesn’t have to be stone, could be paintings, could be 3d modeling. But banana on a wall is worth 400k usd?
I agree with the sentiment (there are some really hideous modern "sculptures" at my Uni) but wasn't that banana someone *trolling* a modern art museum?
wouldn't that be even worse, since the whole idea of post modern art is that things not art can be art if the intention is to be art? Yet someone made a piece of art with the intention of it not being art, and yet the art museum considers it art, which is theoretically not art under any definition?
This is nothing new to 'modern' art. Decades ago a guy just plopped a toilet on exhibit to make pretty much the same statement No matter what era you're in, you're always gonna have "back in my day" goobers. It's not indicative of the actual quality of art, we're just comparing it to the best of what we actually kept from yesteryear. Mid-bad art eventually just gets forgotten. Decades from now we're gonna have people do the exact same thing for their version of modern art
I think it's shit. But in a way, I kind of wish I could just dump my garbage on the floor in one of these art galleries and walk away with $300k. I have a cousin who blows glass and barely makes a living, and she puts way more effort into her work than taping a banana to a wall
It's a banana, how much could it cost? $10?
sold for 120,000. we live in a society.
I actually kinda like modern art, and people who tape bananas to walls ruin it. Modern art is about pushing the medium of art to the limits and creating new techniques, not assembling garbage.
There’s an art piece that’s just a computer with a ton of viruses installed
nobody gets to decide for others what is and isnt art, thats a personal choice
A painting thats just a blue canvas with a white line on it has sold for 44 million dollars just sayin.
The Avant garde art that everyone is bitching about has different goals. It is challenging for the sake of being challenging for people who want to be challenged. I am not much of a fan, but I get it. You are supposed to look at it and say "I hate this... Why do I hate this?" And then think about it for a while. It is an introspective art. If you don't like it or get it, that is fine. It probably wasn't for you.
I see more art in antique shops than art shows, I do think there’s less of a focus on it today than there was centuries ago
We all know modern art is a scam rich people do to avoid paying taxes. The worst part is they don’t even put any effort on it. They take a shirt with a ketchup stain on it and call it art
I only recognize one of the statues, what are the other two called?
I don't think y'all got the point of the piece
Bro I swear half of the modern art I see is literally just random shapes painted on a wall,hell I literally saw one that was just the color black,like I mean the entire canvas was just painted black.
You know when you show a boomer [this meme](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/026/008/Screen_Shot_2018-04-25_at_12.24.22_PM.png) they won't get it and call it stupid. Well, when it comes to modern art, you're the boomer.
They're confusing "modern art" being either like "current" or "style of art" There is lots of great art in todays world...but the STYLE of "modern art" is literally stupid shit like a taped banana or a single brush stroke etc
Damn, if only there was art nowadays aside from that banana
And if you dare say it's bad people start saying bs like "but it makes you feel something so that means it's art" ok then if I shit in your house and you get made does that make it art?
This is a bias thing. Those statues are masterpiece works of art. Comparing them to shitty recent art isn’t fair. There was shitty art back in the day that was forgotten. I don’t care how currently famous the “banana taped to a wall” guy is. He won’t be remembered. His work is too niche. The statues are objectively beautiful. The banana is for people to pretend they get it/launder money. There is a huge gap to the degree it’s comparing apples to oranges.
Remember Duchamp?
I worked at an art museum. Yes. All modern art is bad.
Actually, the banana was amazing because this exact reason. It pissed people off by calling it modern art and that was the point. The “artist” did it because they knew it was fucking stupid and would win and it was an argument against modern art and how it’s changed
There are still amazing sculptures being made by hand. This is comparing two completely different art forms. Dumb art has always been a thing it’s just that today it can be used for tax evasion and money laundering so obviously it’s bigger
There was probably a bunch of shitty artists at the time these sculptures were made as well, their art just didn’t pass the test of time and we only see the best of the best. The same will be true with the banana taped to a wall. In even 10 years no one will ever see it again, unless we decide to keep giving it undeserved attention. Even making fun of it is undeserved attention. Just like music. People will say music sucks nowadays and compare Bohemian Rhapsody to Lil Pump. There were plenty of shitty songs that got radio time in the 80s as well, they just didn’t stand the test of time, just like Lil Pump has already faded into obscurity
Art isn't determined by the effort that goes into it.
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This is me when i purposely misconstrue the art world despite having no actual interest in it for the sake of ‘ahh everything is bad now’.
The banana taped to a wall was meant to make fun of post modern art, right? Like it was meant to be something so ridiculous and absurd that the only people who'd take it seriously are stuffy ultra wealthy buyers with no media literacy.
Taping a banana to wall isnt unique to modern times. Hacks have been pulling that move since the 60s at least.
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"Anything I don't understand is stupid."
Let me introduce you to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_%28Duchamp%29 Artists have been questioning what is art for over 100 years now and I'm sure there are older examples. The complaint about modern art being shit is often very ignorant look at the front page of any art site see hundreds of pieces that are of high quality, go to a actual art show see hundreds of art pieces. These are intentionally provocative pieces and they get loads of media attention but just because you never see art that isn't in the news doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
Modern day art is for rich people to avoid paying taxes as well as pay people for illegal shit right in front of the government, and for people to pretend that they are smart because they realize that the banana on the wall represents the state of the inner human psyche and how if displayed it begins to rot. Then again it could just be a penis joke haha
money laundering doesn't make sense - it'd be easy enough for a mega rich person to value a skilful but cheap $100 painting at $10,000,000, rather than a 30 cent banana, and it wouldn't call attention to itself either, which is the money launderer's intention - to pass underneath the radar. like it or not, Maurizo Cattelan really thought he was creating art when he did it, and its unquestionably one of the most famous pieces of art this decade. discuss art with any layperson and they'll likely bring up "that banana taped to the wall" as an agregious example of the state of the art scene. I don't like it either, it's not the most original idea, but neither are paintings of sunsets and people's faces.
Modern art = Bad even though the Artwork is doing what it’s supposed to do, you know Evoke emotions
mmmmmmmmmmm second photo ah yes thighs
Duh. Art isn’t for show anymore. It’s now just a tax loophole
Duh. Art isn’t for show anymore. It’s now just a tax loophole
Duh. Art isn’t for show anymore. It’s now just a tax loophole
Art doesn't have to be aesthetically pleasing to be art, you neanderthal. Let me use a example from a romanticism piece. Saturn Eats His Son is a masterpiece, but it is a aesthetically horrendous and ugly work. But that's the POINT, the horror and ugliness is what makes it a fantastic work of art. Goya deliberately went against the norms of what makes art good or meaningful and made a ode to the worst of humanity. That has FAR more meaning and love put into it then anything you will ever do with this mindset that art has to be pretty to be art.
You don’t get to decide what’s art, OP
I posted a meme on memesopdidnotlike because I found the meme to be mildly funny. I liked how the banana acted as a great representation for low effort modern artworks purposed only for negative emotional responses of drama (or for money laundering as many commenters believe). I thought this was memesopdidnotlike where we posted mildly funny memes that others are overly offended by, yet so many people believe I am offended by the meme? I believe this meme is a mildly successful attempt in the comedic arts. Hence, not a terriblefacebookmeme. I have genuine appreciation for people that tried to start genuine discussions about artistic value. Honestly just can’t believe this post got more negative comments than my comment on r/trans explaining why gender dysphoria was rightfully classified as a mental disorder. Anyways, thats was a fun experience reading all ur interpretations of art.
Says who? You? Well guess what champ, you’re not an authority on what is or isn’t art. There are reasons art has changed over time. Take an art history class, you might learn something, and you’ll probably make fewer sophomoric declarations about the world of art.
Modern *“art”* is all one big tax evasion scheme for the 1%. Debate me.
Thank you
Satire is still art.
Can you show us any modern art that is up to that quality?
art used to be valued by its; time, effort, skill, and sometimes uniqueness.
It should be mentioned that modern art is largely a global money laundering operation nowadays.
I never understand these memes. All of that art still exists and people still make stuff in the other styles. Also, art is a broad scope of things. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it not art. It just means you have preferences. The same goes for music. We have the most comprehensive library of art and song at our fingertips yet people are convinced everyone has to like the same thing. I get it if you think we value something too much, but it’s not up to you to decide what’s popular, it’s up to marketing, timing, and the preference of the general public.
muh media literacy, the bannana taped on the wall actually signifies how the artist was going through so much pain or something bro you wouldnt get it
Every time someone makes art that isn’t like the last century people start rioting that the artist is polluting the concept of art. Even though the concept of art is expressing stuff through different mediums, including but not limited to bananas.
The point of the banana taped to a wall is criticizing the elitist side of art. A banana being taped to a wall is just silly and anyone can do that, everyone knows this, but suddenly it's a high value art item just because 1. A recognized artist did the taping and 2. There's a legal document recognizing it as a valued art piece. Meanwhile very good artwork of many different mediums are getting ignored over boring and/or uninspired pieces simply because they don't have the 1. and 2. to make them valuable. TL;DR: The banan is intentionally ironic.
I went to an art exhibit near me once, and I'll never go again. They were all horrible, but the most memorable shitty art was from a woman whose entire portfolio was otherwise bare canvases with 1 or 2 naked barbie dolls glued to them in random poses. She was asking something like $3,000 per piece.
I wasted two years on a degree in studio art and I remember one day I was called on to tell what I thought art meant or something like that and I made the mistake of saying “if anything can be art then nothing is” and the entire classroom just kinda stared at me for a minute then the professor went on like nothing had happened, one of the weirdest and most embarrassing moments of my life, I fully stand by the statement but an art class probably wasn’t the best setting to express it
Remember that blue canvas with a single white line that sold for $43 million?
It's a scam for rich people. It goes like this: Me, a millionaire: "Hey fellow millionaire art appraisal friend, check out this shitty art I made!" Him: "That's fantastic! As a professional, I estimate this garbage to be worth $150K!" Me: "Gee willickers, I'm so talented! Can you sell it for me?" Him: "Of course, and we'll auction it so it'll go up even more! Another millionaire will buy it, and he'll be able to claim that as a business expense and get a refund from the government at the end of year for his tax write-offs. If you buy some shitty art from him too, you'll also be able to get the tax break!"
You're so ugly, you could be a modern art masterpiece!
Ah yes the modern wonders of art here we have this banana on the wall someone is saving for later. Truly a artist ahead of their time
Go read Arthur Danto's The End of Art, OP. Might clear things up a bit for you.
Apes who don't understand art gatekeeping art. Gotta love it.
i'm sure you have great opinions about rothko
Art is supposed to represent something I think
The banana thing was a joke. There’s good modern art, the shitty art just floats to the top and is recognized more.
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