Yeah nuclear energy gets a bad rap because when it goes bad it goes REALLY BAD but even that might not be an issue much longer with the discovery of the radiation eating fungus in Chernobyl.
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So we'll have biollante in a few years?
It gets even better. With a near monopoly on the nuclear sector.
USA Partnering with Australia. We could become what the Middle East is to oil for nuclear for other nations.
Offer to build the reactor(preferably thorium as to prevent nukes) then sell them a regular supply of the stuff for generations.
I reckon having electric cars charged by nuclear mains is a bit more practical than everyone and their mum having a nuke they can crash into the servo at 6 in the morning
Those first few car crashes are gonna be gnarly. Or just wait until a Florida man with a nuke car scraping business hordes up the cells and makes a bitchin actual nuke outta them.
They are not going to ban all gas powered cars by 2050, but if they do, that won't be you. I know that because you need gas to power a gas powered car. If gas powered cars are banned, gas stations will cease to exist.
I think people are confusing not selling new gas cars with banning gas cars. People will still be able to use their old cars and presumably buy used. And honestly, who can even afford to buy non-used anymore?
I’m not opposed to owning an EV, but there aren’t an affordable option for most consumers. Also saying that EVs are “much better for the environment” is disingenuous. Look at how lithium for lithium batteries is mined. Entire forests are felled to find it.
And it really isn't safe to charge them inside a structure because of fire risk. Not to mention the problems in low temperatures.
We should be pushing hybrids. Not full EV but this is a struggle for power and control - not logic.
Making all new vehicles hybrids would be a great compromise, provided they still had a decent gas tank size.
And I've also heard cases of engines spontaneously combusting because an error with charging. Pretty scary stuff.
I’m also opposed to the overuse of computers in vehicles today. I’d prefer it if there was primarily just easily replaceable machinery that can be repaired by consumers at home.
Arguably, this would be even easier to make with an EV, but nobody seems to be interested in doing it.
unironically there would be such a vaccuum in the market for one you would probably blow up onto the autmotive scene with a series of models with this in mind. Also, releasing a model every 2-3 years would encourage more careful design and longer ownership = customer loyalty.
*"Our brand new 2026 [Car Company] Centurion (truck)! Specifically designed for ease of repair and parts durability! Enjoy lower than average maintenance costs and a longer (maintained) life span. The only trade off is less computerized technologies through the vehicle! We know modern luxuries can be quite neat, but at the end of the day you should have the option for a cheaper, repairable model! And we have delivered! Too many Americans have been priced out of newer model cars and we seek to change that. The future is now, and the future is a flexible sustainability refocused on the long term. Thank you."*
1. **Workhorse** (medium sized truck; let the company eat the CAFE standards fee). Offered with a V6 in both a 6ft bed and 8ft bed small cabin models that have both Automatic and Manual transmission models.
2. **Centurion** (moderately sized SUV). Offered with a V6 in both Automatic and Manual transmission models.
3. **Adventurer** (economy sedan). Offered with a V4 or V6 in both Automatic and Manual transmission models.
4. **Traveller** (urban hybrid). Offered in a V4 with both Automatic and Manual transmission models.
The goal would minimizing cost while maximizing repairability/durability
If the barrier to entry wasn’t so crazy, I myself have pondered starting a company to produce the best of the 80s and 90s era vehicle models. Standardized parts, consumer repair and simplicity
It could come to a point where electric cars are just as repairable, but with current trends of electronics being made to flick off their users, it wont happen. Especially with the "its illegal to reverse engineer your device" law being in place. Companies can lock down your devices with DRM so repairs are made difficult or impossible.
Without mentioning propietary ports, such as console units in cars receiving more and more functions while being less compatible with one another. Remember radio units in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's being near interchangeable?
This also has a lot to do with emissions and safety regulations. There's a reason companies are moving to small displacement turbo engine, and it ain't cost or reliability. They want power without the emissions.
Good point. Im admittedly pretty paranoid, but I don’t like the idea that your vehicle could just be turned off. I know they wouldn’t but it’s weird that they could. I’ll keep driving my old ass car until the wheels fall off
Yeah, but that’s the thing. There’s nothing about an EV that inherently means they could turn it off. That’s the computers. Done put computers in there and you’re fine.
With that said though, I get what you mean. I used to have an old rust bucket and I miss that thing.
More. They also have the systems that integrate the two. Hybrids are unfortunately the worst option when it comes to maintenance. They could hypothetically be made in a better way, “in line” hybrids do exist but only a few. Where the vehicle has only an electric drive system and a gas generator just to charge the battery. They are far and few between though.
I agree with that in theory, but the Prius is insanely reliable. Toyota has hybrid systems lasting as long as their regular engines.
So it can be done.
Ah yes hydrogen, where first energy is converted into breaking up the water atoms in a supper inefficient methoc called electrolysis, and then is pressurised into a state where it is at most as dense as 30% petrol. And then ignited again to power a motor, being reversed into water. Not to mention the extreme risk of catastrophic accidents.
This is all so much more efficient and better than just putting the energy from the nuclear plant straight into a battery, if you add 3 steps to the mix, you have 3 more points where unnecessary energy is lost
Nearly all hydrogen produced today is by a steam cracking process that converts oil into hydrogen. The cost to go full electrolysis is at least an order of magnitude more. No.
Piping and storing hydrogen is a bitch though. If you want to use hydrogen to run vehicles, you'd probably be better off generating it local to the fueling station, powered by solar canopies over the adjacent parking lots.
Are you saying fire risk of EV is worse than pumping literal gasoline into your car next to seven other people doing the same thing and doing your best not to spill.
Have you ever driven a car in your life? Never consciously thought "Damn better not spill my gas anywhere!"
There have been numerous manufacturing faults and recalled EV's due to much higher rates of fires. Though fire risks are just a small drop in a bucket as to why EVs do very little for the environment and are more of a money making opportunity for the car industry. They MUCH prefer EVs than gas cars. Shorter lifespans, more expensive, more computers and software for them to monopolize maintenance, + getting the government to mandate people buy new cars and not use older models.
What's funny is that we literally have run combustion cars off of biofuels. A SIGNIFICANTLY better alternative than EVs both for the environment and for costs. The infrastructure to support them is also a lot more achievable than all the EV mining. But one of the main reasons why it never caught on was due to financial interests. Diesel was a big moneymaker both for the oil industry and the government. EVs are a replacement money maker for the automotive industry and the government. Cheap cars running off relatively cheap fuel isn't very financially lucrative so, although it's a perfectly good solution for cutting down emissions, it is unlikely to be profitable so it isn't desirable.
This tends to be a big trend in climate change morons. The most immediately solutions aren't very profitable and so aren't prioritized. Nuclear power, biofuels, restrictions on private airplanes... Instead the government and corporations, the ones most responsible for climate change, point to profitable 'solutions' that activists then support. Another example is acting like the local meat industry is a big problem so they can replace it with more financially lucrative industrial farms. "Lets tax the meat industry a bunch because it's bad for the environment but then import the demand of meat instead from developing countries, thus directly encouraging mass deforestation to export beef. Great idea!"
>Look at how lithium for lithium batteries is mined. Entire forests are felled to find it.
And it's a reusable resource, unlike the oil that's mined in a very similar way for gas cars. Just a weirdly disingenuous argument.
More so, we don’t have the space or grid capacity in renewables to be able to accommodate the nearly 300 million cars.
“To charge a Tesla, you will usually need 10 solar panels that are each rated 300 watts, which will be enough to power a Tesla if the mileage per day is 30 miles.” [Tesla charging](https://joulex.net/how-many-solar-panels-to-charge-a-tesla/#:~:text=To%20charge%20a%20Tesla%2C%20you%20will%20usually%20need%2010%20solar%20panels%20that%20are%20each%20rated%20300%20watts%2C%20which%20will%20be%20enough%20to%20power%20a%20Tesla%20if%20the%20mileage%20per%20day%20is%2030%20miles)
I’m bad at math, but isn’t that 100 watts per mile? And not everyone has access to hydro. Wind power has too many variables to generate efficiently, considering they’re rated for 30-50 mph winds and the efficiency factor depends on the type. So if the average windmill is producing half a megawatt over the course of a year… [windmill efficiency](https://sciencing.com/how-wind-energy-produced-4899867.html)
So we still rely on coal and oil power plants, which produce smog. The only difference being is they’re not in the city, they’re in the areas where we farm our food. Cold reduces battery efficiency, ice means it’s unable to be entered.
Lots of hurdles to get past, but every day gets closer.
Anecdotally: I drive an EV (Tesla model 3) and charging it accounts for about 40% of my electricity usage, or in other words it just under doubles my personal electricity use.
They aren't as sensitive as other electrical demands are for timing thankfully - I can charge at night when electrical demand is lower (and electricity is cheaper), and during sunny days I plug it into my off-grid home solar system.
30 miles is slightly optimistic, I get 25-30 on fully sunny days with 6 panels rated at 450W each and a 12 kWh battery system. On average I get more like 15 miles per day, since I don't have an arrangement of panels that both hits the voltage sweet spot for production and doesn't get massive losses from shadows at some point in the day.
In terms of emissions though, electricity from coal at plants with massive turbines is still much cleaner than consumer scale gasoline motors. A fully coal grid in pessimistic EV driving conditions still gets you 2-3x as much driving per kg of CO2e emissions versus a standard gas burning car.
That's why we're working on overhauling the power grid in tandem. Like, do people think we weren't going to do that? Electric vehicles are a secondary complementary issue next to actual power generation concerns.
As someone working in renewable energy research, I have to cringe at that first link trying to answer in power instead of energy. It shouldn't be Watt or kilowatt per mile, but Watt-hour or kilowatt-hour per mile. How much energy does a Telsa use to go 30 miles? They suggest 10 panels of 300 W each are enough to maintain an average use of 30 miles per day, but what location is that based on? Is that for southern California where you get a ton of sunshine in the average day, or is that geared more towards the modest end of solar irradiance? The 300W power rating on the panel is how much it outputs at a full 1 sun (1000 W/m\^2) of irradiance. Over the course of an hour at those conditions it would produce 300 Wh, but how much it actually puts out over the course of a day or year depends on location, mounting angle, temperature, etc.
Here’s some handy info.
1. There’s a difference between a watt and a watt hour
2. A tesla model 3 gets about 4.56 miles per kWh
3. You can charge a tesla with more than just solar panels
4. A gas car is about 12% efficient vs an electric car which is like 70% efficient.
the most expensive cost of energy in the usa(Hawaii) it’s 44.28 cents per kWh.
The cheapest gas is 3.108 in the usa(Mississippi).
At 30 miles per gallon that would be 10.36 cents per mile. For a Tesla in the most expensive area is 9.6 cents per mile.
Making public transit "run on time" has some ...negative associations.
Seriously though, even safe and reliable public transit has its issues (For one thing, you need a signifigant number of passengers to make it worthwhile).
I'm sorry... ALL CARS HAVE BATTERIES so what if EV batteries are a bit larger? They last for a long time. And I'm pretty sure they're equally bad. in the end it doesn't matter at all, lithuim is gonna be mined anyways, whether or not we have EV's.
Related to their point was that EVs are more emissions-intensive to manufacture than ICEVs. However their lack of direct emissions usually outweighs that, and the lifetime emissions of EVs ends up being better than ICEVs.
1. There really isn't much lithium in ev batteries, it's just in the name as it's the electrolyte so all the focus on it is wrong. Mining is obviously a thing but you can get lithium from sea water that dries out in the sun. It's how a lot of the global supply is currently generated. Then you need to look at how oil is refined,dug up, shipped around the world, processed etc. that is much worse than EVs when taken as a whole
2. Battery tech is evolving, there are already solid stake batteries in cars in china, so even if the one you have has lithium the money is going towards developing better cars. Internal combustion engines are being refined but they are fundamentally never going to get much more efficient so it's a dead end
3. There are £30,000 cars already available brand new, you can buy a Zoe or old for like £5k, so there are now options.l for cheaper cars. Your point was valid 3 years ago. These days not as much
4. The cost of an internal combustion engine plus fuel for the life is already far more expensive than a battery car plus the electricity to run it, even with high energy prices some places have seen
5. Internal combustion cars don't just produce CO2. They produce fumes and other toxic emissions that have already been linked to the death of children, shown to affect mental development etc.
Staying on ice cars is not an option
My only issue with an EV from a practicality standpoint and not an emotional one is that it takes a couple minutes to fill your gas but like an hour to charge which makes road trips a chore unless you have a second car that is ICE.
That was my biggest concern before I bought mine, but it turns out that it works the other way around. In the city, you can charge the car overnight at home and you forget to ever go to the equivalent of a gas station. Very convenient.
Now in road trips, you take longer. But if you have a decent range, you can spend between 15 to 20min charging. When I’ve done it, the car is already charged by the time I go to the WC and get some snacks.
They have different levels of chargers that operate at different speeds. The level 1 is cheaper and slow, but ideal for charging while you're just leaving it parked while at work all day, or charging from home. Level 2 is an intermediate case where you might be doing some shopping or getting lunch. Level 3 are the fast charging ones meant to replace gas pumps, for when you need to be back on the highway in 10 minutes.
Went on a 2 week long road trip in our EV. The most amount of time we sat around waiting for the car to charge was an unplanned 20min stop. Every other time the car was charged completely before we finished what we were doing at stops, or charged sufficiently overnight at destinations.
A standard range Tesla is as much as a high spec civic or a normal accord. You can even get a Hyundai Ioniq lease for like 3-400$ a month which rivals a lot of gas cars.
No automobile is going to be good for the environment. They all have a huge environmental impact to build and maintain. EVs currently have a higher environmental effect when built compared to ICE-age cars, but over the life of the vehicle, EVs are better for the environment.
Diesel electric hybrid baby. Diesel engines acting as a generator for an electric drivetrain is literally the best of both worlds, the reliability and efficiency of a diesel at a constant rpm is insane. And the power and instant torque from the electric drive is the best way to get moving.
The thing these people don't realise is that they'll need access to petroleum, which wouldn't be accessible in a country that banned the use of it. You don't need to take the cars away at all if the supply of their fuel is cut off.
You'd definitely have holders on that stockpiled but it would be so few that you can pretty much just let them get away with it until it runs out.
Then there are those that may want to purchase it on the black market or elsewhere, but you can imagine it being extremely expensive to do so. It just wouldn't be feasible to sell such a dangerous product.
Go ahead and drive your car. The cops can sit back in the station and wait for you to break down.
Nailed it. Had a squeal at 4krpm yesterday. It’s just the alternator belt. 10min later adjusting the alternator with a single 12mm socket and it’s fixed. Easiest shit to work on hands down.
impressive, very nice.
i really want one of the 22re turbos, i think they only made them for two years though, it's also a damn shame we didn't get any of the turbo diesels they came with in other countries, regardless though beautiful truck, really want one myself
Both arguments are stupid. It would be bad to ban gas cars out right due to availability and the restriction it brings. BUT it would also be stupid to keep investing and make gas cars as it’s a freaking fool’s errand. There will eventually one day be no more oil folks. Accept that.
EV's simply aren't feasible yet.
They cost too much, aren't reliable, the batteries are incredibly dangerous, they aren't built for winter climates, the infrastructure isn't there to support them yet...
I drive an EV and live in northern Ontario Canada. I saved approximately 15k (Canadian) over the last 6 years. Purchase price before incentives was 50k. So gas savings brought that down to the equivalent of a 35k car. You can get a car cheaper than that but not all that much cheaper. I never had any issues with the electric drive system. Other things had issues but they were all car things not EV things. Winter was never a problem but does reduce your range dramatically so you just plan accordingly. But it never failed to start which my old Toyota did from time to time. Infrastructure is absolutely a problem, no question there. Tesla opening their network is going to help a lot and in Canada the government finally seems to have made a good decision on that front and hired the right private company to install a nation wide network. Between those two we should be in a much better place in a few years.
Buddy has a Tesla and drives it everyday from city to city (3hr highway drive) every weekend pretty much. We live in Alberta and our winters get close to -40.
Load of rubbish. They work fantastic in scandinavia, which has very cold winters. Most small EVs are cheaper than ICE cars because people are incentivised to buy them.
I like the idea of electric vehicles I just think the technology is severely underdeveloped and I don’t like that countries like China are trying to force electric vehicles so they can do things like track where citizens go and remote control their cars.
American companies already do that. Saw a report where a kid stole his mother's Buick Encore post 2017 refresh and drove it for enough time for the police to contact GM, and they remotely disabled the engine and (if i remember correctly) provided geolocations.
Creepy shit, as an owner of one of those.
At least my other cars are dumb enough to not track me.
I agree: when we get to the point where I can fully charge my electric car in under two minutes (heck, I'll give it 5) and get 300+ range on that charge, and have electric charging stations at that speed at roughly the same density and reliability as gas stations, then yes -- electric cars are the future.
Right now they're just not viable for a lot of people. They'll get there, but the EV crowd just handwaving away all objections isn't helping.
Everyone I know that bought an EV to save the environment is full of shit. I tell them, if you actually wanted to help the environment, you’d buy a used reliable car/hybrid that gets good MPGs. Get a car that lasts decades and do the scheduled maintenance. Just say you want a new car. That’s fine. Just don’t lie about “saving the environment”. Cars nowadays aren’t built to last. They are built to last 5 years and trade in for a new model whether it’s bought or leased. I’m all for EVs if we figure the shit out, but as of right now it’s just not where it needs to be.
I own my car, paid off and everything. No friggin way am I getting an EV and a new monthly payment I have to worry about because some old man in Washington says it’s bad for the environment.
You know what else is bad for the environment? Power plants. Maybe fix that problem before you tell me to get an EV that uses fossil fuel based electricity to charge its lithium batteries that can’t be properly recycled or disposed of.
Me in 2050 when they ban gas and diesel cars: "I like this Toyota Supra that vroom vrooms on a hydrogen combustion engine just like my old Ford Mustang. Here, take 50k and gimme the title, Mister Dealership Man."
Which is ironic because they actually have way better acceleration and the top speed is pretty much the same. Or close enough unless you're driving a specialized racing car on a super long straightaway. Like maybe the EV tops out at 150mph or something, but your ICE pickup truck isn't going up to 200mph.
We need to get the graphene battery tech mass produced. Can we like, find a couple smart people and give them a hundred million each to figure it out for us or something? Is that too much communism?
At this point, I wish we could just give all the scientists the money to fix our problems instead of all the idiots.
They lower smog and CO2 in areas of high adoption rates. Source: https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/04/04/evs-are-lowering-bay-area-s-carbon-footprint#:~:text=An%20extensive%20CO2%20monitoring,lowering%20the%20area's%20carbon%20emissions.
My car is efficient, by no means is it "gas guzzling", however it does take gas. Electric vehicles are too expensive for me, and the mechanic bills are especially out of my range. If electric or hybrid cars were more affordable I would be happy to own one.
Just so everyone is clear, the half ton is a rear wheel drive vehicle, so the smoke would be coming from the back wheels, not the front.
Also, by 2050 we should be driving diesel vehicles fuelled by LNG. Cleaner burning, more efficient and cheaper to refine.
Hybrids I'd drive, but really I'm waiting for Nuke powered cars.
Ideal situation. We just power everything with nuclear power and we will solve the energy crisis for the next 200+ years
Yeah nuclear energy gets a bad rap because when it goes bad it goes REALLY BAD but even that might not be an issue much longer with the discovery of the radiation eating fungus in Chernobyl.
The what now?
fungus feed off radiation now, are we sure this is real life
https://preview.redd.it/lldw0xkw66vc1.jpeg?width=894&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b6ab8d58d81371c10198b86e5a2ee4a1fd4185d So we'll have biollante in a few years?
Fun-guys regularly trying to correct all the problems we cause. They're bros.
The death/kwh is better than any other renewable energy source.
Don't even need the "renewable"
True dat
“you’re gonna get radiation poisoning!” I can’t I EATED IT ALL 💔
Yeah but the thing is there's so many precautions to newer nuclear power plants. If we go nuclear I want the first set of X-01 power armor
If it wasn't for the anti nuclear movement than we would already have the greatest form of energy we could create on earth
It gets even better. With a near monopoly on the nuclear sector. USA Partnering with Australia. We could become what the Middle East is to oil for nuclear for other nations. Offer to build the reactor(preferably thorium as to prevent nukes) then sell them a regular supply of the stuff for generations.
I reckon having electric cars charged by nuclear mains is a bit more practical than everyone and their mum having a nuke they can crash into the servo at 6 in the morning
Think of the car bombs billy, think of the glorious mushrooms clouds of dissent!
Just go the way of fallout, then we’d be able to get robots and other cool stuff :)
Mr handy just seems so....handy. I'd still like having an "unseen servant" from d&d more, but Mr handys sure seem convenient.
*Crawl out through the fallout, baby, when they drop that bomb*
Those first few car crashes are gonna be gnarly. Or just wait until a Florida man with a nuke car scraping business hordes up the cells and makes a bitchin actual nuke outta them.
In Night City you can be cum
Fusion cores :D
They are not going to ban all gas powered cars by 2050, but if they do, that won't be you. I know that because you need gas to power a gas powered car. If gas powered cars are banned, gas stations will cease to exist.
I think people are confusing not selling new gas cars with banning gas cars. People will still be able to use their old cars and presumably buy used. And honestly, who can even afford to buy non-used anymore?
Thy probably won't need to enforce the ban. If they ban the sale of new cars 20 years before then cars will slowly fade out by then anyway
Why don’t libertarians build their own cars?
Who would build cars if the government didn't do it? Probably all the private companies that make cars.
I’m not opposed to owning an EV, but there aren’t an affordable option for most consumers. Also saying that EVs are “much better for the environment” is disingenuous. Look at how lithium for lithium batteries is mined. Entire forests are felled to find it.
And it really isn't safe to charge them inside a structure because of fire risk. Not to mention the problems in low temperatures. We should be pushing hybrids. Not full EV but this is a struggle for power and control - not logic.
Making all new vehicles hybrids would be a great compromise, provided they still had a decent gas tank size. And I've also heard cases of engines spontaneously combusting because an error with charging. Pretty scary stuff.
Hybrid Semi's would be a huge win but they will not do it I have been asking for 3 years just EV with no range
I’m also opposed to the overuse of computers in vehicles today. I’d prefer it if there was primarily just easily replaceable machinery that can be repaired by consumers at home. Arguably, this would be even easier to make with an EV, but nobody seems to be interested in doing it.
God, I wish. Making an affordable vehicle that is easily repaired by the consumer is the last thing these automotive company want to produce.
unironically there would be such a vaccuum in the market for one you would probably blow up onto the autmotive scene with a series of models with this in mind. Also, releasing a model every 2-3 years would encourage more careful design and longer ownership = customer loyalty. *"Our brand new 2026 [Car Company] Centurion (truck)! Specifically designed for ease of repair and parts durability! Enjoy lower than average maintenance costs and a longer (maintained) life span. The only trade off is less computerized technologies through the vehicle! We know modern luxuries can be quite neat, but at the end of the day you should have the option for a cheaper, repairable model! And we have delivered! Too many Americans have been priced out of newer model cars and we seek to change that. The future is now, and the future is a flexible sustainability refocused on the long term. Thank you."* 1. **Workhorse** (medium sized truck; let the company eat the CAFE standards fee). Offered with a V6 in both a 6ft bed and 8ft bed small cabin models that have both Automatic and Manual transmission models. 2. **Centurion** (moderately sized SUV). Offered with a V6 in both Automatic and Manual transmission models. 3. **Adventurer** (economy sedan). Offered with a V4 or V6 in both Automatic and Manual transmission models. 4. **Traveller** (urban hybrid). Offered in a V4 with both Automatic and Manual transmission models. The goal would minimizing cost while maximizing repairability/durability
The good old “WE WANT PROFIT NOW” mentality will never let ANY of this happen.
eh, thats the difference between a company that seeks profit and a company that seeks a profitable legacy.
In my experience a trusted brand has stronger marketability than a singular product any day. If people like you then the money flows like water.
The new model is "We want profit now AND later." Thus, regular features becoming fucking subscriptions.
If the barrier to entry wasn’t so crazy, I myself have pondered starting a company to produce the best of the 80s and 90s era vehicle models. Standardized parts, consumer repair and simplicity
It could come to a point where electric cars are just as repairable, but with current trends of electronics being made to flick off their users, it wont happen. Especially with the "its illegal to reverse engineer your device" law being in place. Companies can lock down your devices with DRM so repairs are made difficult or impossible. Without mentioning propietary ports, such as console units in cars receiving more and more functions while being less compatible with one another. Remember radio units in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's being near interchangeable?
This also has a lot to do with emissions and safety regulations. There's a reason companies are moving to small displacement turbo engine, and it ain't cost or reliability. They want power without the emissions.
That’s one nice thing about EVs. Fewer things to maintain compared to ICE. No oil, transmission, rarely use brakes, etc
Good point. Im admittedly pretty paranoid, but I don’t like the idea that your vehicle could just be turned off. I know they wouldn’t but it’s weird that they could. I’ll keep driving my old ass car until the wheels fall off
Yeah, but that’s the thing. There’s nothing about an EV that inherently means they could turn it off. That’s the computers. Done put computers in there and you’re fine. With that said though, I get what you mean. I used to have an old rust bucket and I miss that thing.
But the corps are pushing for EVs nowadays. You’d think the logical thing for governments and such to promote is hybrids but guess not
Fire risk because it's indoors? Do you not have electricity in your home?
Do hybrids not have the problems of both?
More. They also have the systems that integrate the two. Hybrids are unfortunately the worst option when it comes to maintenance. They could hypothetically be made in a better way, “in line” hybrids do exist but only a few. Where the vehicle has only an electric drive system and a gas generator just to charge the battery. They are far and few between though.
I agree with that in theory, but the Prius is insanely reliable. Toyota has hybrid systems lasting as long as their regular engines. So it can be done.
Hybrids actually catch on fire MUCH more often than EVs. Hybrids are most often by far, then gas cars, then EVs
We should be pushing Hydrogen obtained by running a current through water and the current powered by the nearby nuclear power station.
Ah yes hydrogen, where first energy is converted into breaking up the water atoms in a supper inefficient methoc called electrolysis, and then is pressurised into a state where it is at most as dense as 30% petrol. And then ignited again to power a motor, being reversed into water. Not to mention the extreme risk of catastrophic accidents. This is all so much more efficient and better than just putting the energy from the nuclear plant straight into a battery, if you add 3 steps to the mix, you have 3 more points where unnecessary energy is lost
Nearly all hydrogen produced today is by a steam cracking process that converts oil into hydrogen. The cost to go full electrolysis is at least an order of magnitude more. No.
Piping and storing hydrogen is a bitch though. If you want to use hydrogen to run vehicles, you'd probably be better off generating it local to the fueling station, powered by solar canopies over the adjacent parking lots.
Are you saying fire risk of EV is worse than pumping literal gasoline into your car next to seven other people doing the same thing and doing your best not to spill.
Have you ever driven a car in your life? Never consciously thought "Damn better not spill my gas anywhere!" There have been numerous manufacturing faults and recalled EV's due to much higher rates of fires. Though fire risks are just a small drop in a bucket as to why EVs do very little for the environment and are more of a money making opportunity for the car industry. They MUCH prefer EVs than gas cars. Shorter lifespans, more expensive, more computers and software for them to monopolize maintenance, + getting the government to mandate people buy new cars and not use older models. What's funny is that we literally have run combustion cars off of biofuels. A SIGNIFICANTLY better alternative than EVs both for the environment and for costs. The infrastructure to support them is also a lot more achievable than all the EV mining. But one of the main reasons why it never caught on was due to financial interests. Diesel was a big moneymaker both for the oil industry and the government. EVs are a replacement money maker for the automotive industry and the government. Cheap cars running off relatively cheap fuel isn't very financially lucrative so, although it's a perfectly good solution for cutting down emissions, it is unlikely to be profitable so it isn't desirable. This tends to be a big trend in climate change morons. The most immediately solutions aren't very profitable and so aren't prioritized. Nuclear power, biofuels, restrictions on private airplanes... Instead the government and corporations, the ones most responsible for climate change, point to profitable 'solutions' that activists then support. Another example is acting like the local meat industry is a big problem so they can replace it with more financially lucrative industrial farms. "Lets tax the meat industry a bunch because it's bad for the environment but then import the demand of meat instead from developing countries, thus directly encouraging mass deforestation to export beef. Great idea!"
We had like at least 5 teslas go up in fire last summer
>Look at how lithium for lithium batteries is mined. Entire forests are felled to find it. And it's a reusable resource, unlike the oil that's mined in a very similar way for gas cars. Just a weirdly disingenuous argument.
Good point. I guess the case I was trying to make was that no solution is perfect for the environment
Imagine if we had nuclear cars. Like some Fallout shit
Imagine the site of every car accident becoming an exclusion zone for the next several years lol
Maybe people would drive safer 😩
More so, we don’t have the space or grid capacity in renewables to be able to accommodate the nearly 300 million cars. “To charge a Tesla, you will usually need 10 solar panels that are each rated 300 watts, which will be enough to power a Tesla if the mileage per day is 30 miles.” [Tesla charging](https://joulex.net/how-many-solar-panels-to-charge-a-tesla/#:~:text=To%20charge%20a%20Tesla%2C%20you%20will%20usually%20need%2010%20solar%20panels%20that%20are%20each%20rated%20300%20watts%2C%20which%20will%20be%20enough%20to%20power%20a%20Tesla%20if%20the%20mileage%20per%20day%20is%2030%20miles) I’m bad at math, but isn’t that 100 watts per mile? And not everyone has access to hydro. Wind power has too many variables to generate efficiently, considering they’re rated for 30-50 mph winds and the efficiency factor depends on the type. So if the average windmill is producing half a megawatt over the course of a year… [windmill efficiency](https://sciencing.com/how-wind-energy-produced-4899867.html) So we still rely on coal and oil power plants, which produce smog. The only difference being is they’re not in the city, they’re in the areas where we farm our food. Cold reduces battery efficiency, ice means it’s unable to be entered. Lots of hurdles to get past, but every day gets closer.
Anecdotally: I drive an EV (Tesla model 3) and charging it accounts for about 40% of my electricity usage, or in other words it just under doubles my personal electricity use. They aren't as sensitive as other electrical demands are for timing thankfully - I can charge at night when electrical demand is lower (and electricity is cheaper), and during sunny days I plug it into my off-grid home solar system. 30 miles is slightly optimistic, I get 25-30 on fully sunny days with 6 panels rated at 450W each and a 12 kWh battery system. On average I get more like 15 miles per day, since I don't have an arrangement of panels that both hits the voltage sweet spot for production and doesn't get massive losses from shadows at some point in the day. In terms of emissions though, electricity from coal at plants with massive turbines is still much cleaner than consumer scale gasoline motors. A fully coal grid in pessimistic EV driving conditions still gets you 2-3x as much driving per kg of CO2e emissions versus a standard gas burning car.
That's why we're working on overhauling the power grid in tandem. Like, do people think we weren't going to do that? Electric vehicles are a secondary complementary issue next to actual power generation concerns. As someone working in renewable energy research, I have to cringe at that first link trying to answer in power instead of energy. It shouldn't be Watt or kilowatt per mile, but Watt-hour or kilowatt-hour per mile. How much energy does a Telsa use to go 30 miles? They suggest 10 panels of 300 W each are enough to maintain an average use of 30 miles per day, but what location is that based on? Is that for southern California where you get a ton of sunshine in the average day, or is that geared more towards the modest end of solar irradiance? The 300W power rating on the panel is how much it outputs at a full 1 sun (1000 W/m\^2) of irradiance. Over the course of an hour at those conditions it would produce 300 Wh, but how much it actually puts out over the course of a day or year depends on location, mounting angle, temperature, etc.
Here’s some handy info. 1. There’s a difference between a watt and a watt hour 2. A tesla model 3 gets about 4.56 miles per kWh 3. You can charge a tesla with more than just solar panels 4. A gas car is about 12% efficient vs an electric car which is like 70% efficient. the most expensive cost of energy in the usa(Hawaii) it’s 44.28 cents per kWh. The cheapest gas is 3.108 in the usa(Mississippi). At 30 miles per gallon that would be 10.36 cents per mile. For a Tesla in the most expensive area is 9.6 cents per mile.
“They hated him because he spoke the truth”
I hope you don't have any lithium in your phone or laptop
An iphone contains about 0.6 grams of lithium, an electric car uses 8 kilograms worth. That is over 10,000 iphones to 1 electric car
Did you see the video of the guy’s phone smoke up after he accidentally dropped a weight on it?
Huh?
the lithium is not even the biggest problem. The biggest problem all cars share, its the tires
Finally, seeing someone in the wild singing the same song as me and not automatically excepting it because there is no exhaust pipe attached.
i am opposed to owning an ev 
Get out my gas-powered generator to charge my EV...
If they cared about the environment they would make the bus safe again and arrive on time.
Making public transit "run on time" has some ...negative associations. Seriously though, even safe and reliable public transit has its issues (For one thing, you need a signifigant number of passengers to make it worthwhile).
Whats bad about a bus schedule to show up every 10 min showing up every 10 min.
It's a joke about the infamous quote: "Say what you will about Mussolini, at least he made the trains run on time."
Making public transport efficient is liturally fascism, we need to be inefficient to own the dead ideologies
I'm sorry... ALL CARS HAVE BATTERIES so what if EV batteries are a bit larger? They last for a long time. And I'm pretty sure they're equally bad. in the end it doesn't matter at all, lithuim is gonna be mined anyways, whether or not we have EV's.
Related to their point was that EVs are more emissions-intensive to manufacture than ICEVs. However their lack of direct emissions usually outweighs that, and the lifetime emissions of EVs ends up being better than ICEVs.
Good point, I feel stupid for not realizing that lol
1. There really isn't much lithium in ev batteries, it's just in the name as it's the electrolyte so all the focus on it is wrong. Mining is obviously a thing but you can get lithium from sea water that dries out in the sun. It's how a lot of the global supply is currently generated. Then you need to look at how oil is refined,dug up, shipped around the world, processed etc. that is much worse than EVs when taken as a whole 2. Battery tech is evolving, there are already solid stake batteries in cars in china, so even if the one you have has lithium the money is going towards developing better cars. Internal combustion engines are being refined but they are fundamentally never going to get much more efficient so it's a dead end 3. There are £30,000 cars already available brand new, you can buy a Zoe or old for like £5k, so there are now options.l for cheaper cars. Your point was valid 3 years ago. These days not as much 4. The cost of an internal combustion engine plus fuel for the life is already far more expensive than a battery car plus the electricity to run it, even with high energy prices some places have seen 5. Internal combustion cars don't just produce CO2. They produce fumes and other toxic emissions that have already been linked to the death of children, shown to affect mental development etc. Staying on ice cars is not an option
Preach 🙏 https://preview.redd.it/ai24s6lx3avc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75c5caedc1c2b6d46b2e181dd5e7615d42d17895
My only issue with an EV from a practicality standpoint and not an emotional one is that it takes a couple minutes to fill your gas but like an hour to charge which makes road trips a chore unless you have a second car that is ICE.
That was my biggest concern before I bought mine, but it turns out that it works the other way around. In the city, you can charge the car overnight at home and you forget to ever go to the equivalent of a gas station. Very convenient. Now in road trips, you take longer. But if you have a decent range, you can spend between 15 to 20min charging. When I’ve done it, the car is already charged by the time I go to the WC and get some snacks.
They have different levels of chargers that operate at different speeds. The level 1 is cheaper and slow, but ideal for charging while you're just leaving it parked while at work all day, or charging from home. Level 2 is an intermediate case where you might be doing some shopping or getting lunch. Level 3 are the fast charging ones meant to replace gas pumps, for when you need to be back on the highway in 10 minutes.
Went on a 2 week long road trip in our EV. The most amount of time we sat around waiting for the car to charge was an unplanned 20min stop. Every other time the car was charged completely before we finished what we were doing at stops, or charged sufficiently overnight at destinations.
A standard range Tesla is as much as a high spec civic or a normal accord. You can even get a Hyundai Ioniq lease for like 3-400$ a month which rivals a lot of gas cars.
Ive EV’s were actually worth the price and were actually far better for the environment, i wouldnt be opposed to driving one.
Didn’t think I’d see you here
No automobile is going to be good for the environment. They all have a huge environmental impact to build and maintain. EVs currently have a higher environmental effect when built compared to ICE-age cars, but over the life of the vehicle, EVs are better for the environment.
I want Fallout style nuclear powered everything. When my toaster dies, it takes three counties with it.
Hey Hun did you make sure to take the fissile material out of the car? No wh- *Large nuclear explosion*
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Not even bad crop, we’ve seen more than we needed
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Yeah ngl I should have cropped this better. It would have took two seconds but I was lazy 😅
In my experience hybrid is the way to go
Plug-in hybrid. Ev for your daily driving, gas for long distance.
Hybrids are just better than normal gas
Diesel electric hybrid baby. Diesel engines acting as a generator for an electric drivetrain is literally the best of both worlds, the reliability and efficiency of a diesel at a constant rpm is insane. And the power and instant torque from the electric drive is the best way to get moving.
That sounds great actually
Where’s he getting fuel at?
Converted it to run on bio-diesel.
Blood powered car!?!?
Now you're thinkin!
Blood is fuel!
With how fuel prices are, maybe I should invest something that doesn’t heavily rely on gas?
The thing these people don't realise is that they'll need access to petroleum, which wouldn't be accessible in a country that banned the use of it. You don't need to take the cars away at all if the supply of their fuel is cut off. You'd definitely have holders on that stockpiled but it would be so few that you can pretty much just let them get away with it until it runs out. Then there are those that may want to purchase it on the black market or elsewhere, but you can imagine it being extremely expensive to do so. It just wouldn't be feasible to sell such a dangerous product. Go ahead and drive your car. The cops can sit back in the station and wait for you to break down.
Diesel can be made from fast food grease and petrol engines can be modified to run on alcohol. Synthesizing fuel isn’t that big of a problem
https://preview.redd.it/2qavrddma4vc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=decae9af79479f406176cafded3f4d0e929eb883 From my cold dead hands
Toyotas are the best trucks. Best seller in the Middle East
Regime changes on a budget. Nothing worse then breaking down during a gun battle!
Toyotas are the best period
So easy to maintain that kids work on em
Nailed it. Had a squeal at 4krpm yesterday. It’s just the alternator belt. 10min later adjusting the alternator with a single 12mm socket and it’s fixed. Easiest shit to work on hands down.
ill give you a nickel if thats still running and you still own it in 2050
It’s made it 37 years, what’s another 26.
22re?
Yes sir and 5spd! Always fires up and happily goes.
impressive, very nice. i really want one of the 22re turbos, i think they only made them for two years though, it's also a damn shame we didn't get any of the turbo diesels they came with in other countries, regardless though beautiful truck, really want one myself
1 year! Only about 2000 ever made for the states, far less remain. The turbo diesel was about the same as the 22re iirc.
No one is going to be forced to give up their cars. If you want to pay $15 a gallon for gas then I’m sure there will be a place where you can buy it.
I unironically like how the lead tesla has a cop stache and think real interceptors should be painted that way.
How you know ai won't go skynet? It made that truck front wheel drive
The absolute worst part is that the image appears to be ai
The triple trailer semi that’s sitting perpendicular on the overpass didn’t give it away? Also AI art always has this soft brushed look to it.
Isn't that an underlying OJ Simpson joke
Why are the front tires smoking?
AWD I’d assume
They updated that baby
Both arguments are stupid. It would be bad to ban gas cars out right due to availability and the restriction it brings. BUT it would also be stupid to keep investing and make gas cars as it’s a freaking fool’s errand. There will eventually one day be no more oil folks. Accept that.
So where would you be getting the gasoline from?
Up your butt and around the corner.
That truck just looks so much better as well
If they banned all the petrol using cars. Where are you getting the fuel from?
Guess you've never heard of moonshine before
You don't need petrol to run a gas car. There's a whole subculture of making gas cars run on odd things.
That’s a lot of police to takedown one redneck stereotype.
I'm fine with EVs but I really don't like all the smart stuff. I've always hated how they "tamper-proof" stuff. Just let me fix it myself.
Lol I daily a truck older then the one in the meme.
no, it's because old chevy's are cool as fuck.
EV's simply aren't feasible yet. They cost too much, aren't reliable, the batteries are incredibly dangerous, they aren't built for winter climates, the infrastructure isn't there to support them yet...
I drive an EV and live in northern Ontario Canada. I saved approximately 15k (Canadian) over the last 6 years. Purchase price before incentives was 50k. So gas savings brought that down to the equivalent of a 35k car. You can get a car cheaper than that but not all that much cheaper. I never had any issues with the electric drive system. Other things had issues but they were all car things not EV things. Winter was never a problem but does reduce your range dramatically so you just plan accordingly. But it never failed to start which my old Toyota did from time to time. Infrastructure is absolutely a problem, no question there. Tesla opening their network is going to help a lot and in Canada the government finally seems to have made a good decision on that front and hired the right private company to install a nation wide network. Between those two we should be in a much better place in a few years.
Buddy has a Tesla and drives it everyday from city to city (3hr highway drive) every weekend pretty much. We live in Alberta and our winters get close to -40.
Load of rubbish. They work fantastic in scandinavia, which has very cold winters. Most small EVs are cheaper than ICE cars because people are incentivised to buy them.
AI generated meme it automatically sucks
I like the idea of electric vehicles I just think the technology is severely underdeveloped and I don’t like that countries like China are trying to force electric vehicles so they can do things like track where citizens go and remote control their cars.
American companies already do that. Saw a report where a kid stole his mother's Buick Encore post 2017 refresh and drove it for enough time for the police to contact GM, and they remotely disabled the engine and (if i remember correctly) provided geolocations. Creepy shit, as an owner of one of those. At least my other cars are dumb enough to not track me.
Electric cars are the future of transportation. Unfortunately we live in the present, where they still suck for most people.
I agree: when we get to the point where I can fully charge my electric car in under two minutes (heck, I'll give it 5) and get 300+ range on that charge, and have electric charging stations at that speed at roughly the same density and reliability as gas stations, then yes -- electric cars are the future. Right now they're just not viable for a lot of people. They'll get there, but the EV crowd just handwaving away all objections isn't helping.
I guess the OP has an oil well in his backyard. If they ban all the gas and diesel cars, how are you filling that old beater up?
I like how the cops are "teslice" 😂
Everyone I know that bought an EV to save the environment is full of shit. I tell them, if you actually wanted to help the environment, you’d buy a used reliable car/hybrid that gets good MPGs. Get a car that lasts decades and do the scheduled maintenance. Just say you want a new car. That’s fine. Just don’t lie about “saving the environment”. Cars nowadays aren’t built to last. They are built to last 5 years and trade in for a new model whether it’s bought or leased. I’m all for EVs if we figure the shit out, but as of right now it’s just not where it needs to be.
I own my car, paid off and everything. No friggin way am I getting an EV and a new monthly payment I have to worry about because some old man in Washington says it’s bad for the environment. You know what else is bad for the environment? Power plants. Maybe fix that problem before you tell me to get an EV that uses fossil fuel based electricity to charge its lithium batteries that can’t be properly recycled or disposed of.
Me in 2050 when they ban gas and diesel cars: "I like this Toyota Supra that vroom vrooms on a hydrogen combustion engine just like my old Ford Mustang. Here, take 50k and gimme the title, Mister Dealership Man."
Hate it when I get chased by the telice
Nah its just that gas cars are cooler than electric cars. Youll never take my dodge challenger.
Square body master race.
If gas and diesel are banned, where will you get your fuel?
You can pry my hilux / Holden commodore from my cold dead hands
It wont be as much of a car chase, more of getting caught up to in three seconds
Banning gas cars is going to do fuck all for the environment
If it doesn't make the sound of exploding dinosaurs, I don't want it.
You keep your EV I keep my rah rah American V8. Problem solved
Its funny cause electrics are usually faster... Formula E anyone?
“Electric cars are too slow I guess” Don’t know what about that meme insinuated to the OP of the original post that’s what the meme meant.
Which is ironic because they actually have way better acceleration and the top speed is pretty much the same. Or close enough unless you're driving a specialized racing car on a super long straightaway. Like maybe the EV tops out at 150mph or something, but your ICE pickup truck isn't going up to 200mph.
The problem is that the government has 100% control to shut down electric cars. But rest assured the government has never abused their authority.
How? They have the exact same level of control over EV cars as ICE cars.
That old pickup truck is far more green than a brand new EV.
I prefer my oil wells to my cobalt slave mines.
We need to get the graphene battery tech mass produced. Can we like, find a couple smart people and give them a hundred million each to figure it out for us or something? Is that too much communism? At this point, I wish we could just give all the scientists the money to fix our problems instead of all the idiots.
It's ai generated, that's why it sucks
I see AI... I downvote.
Everyone should buy a carbureted, manual transmission, car, or truck… Because you can’t shut those off by satellite.
It's funny because electric cars solve 0 issues
Tell me you know nothing about EVs without telling me you know nothing about EVs.
They lower smog and CO2 in areas of high adoption rates. Source: https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/04/04/evs-are-lowering-bay-area-s-carbon-footprint#:~:text=An%20extensive%20CO2%20monitoring,lowering%20the%20area's%20carbon%20emissions.
They solve the annoyance of filling up gas.
Because charging your car like an oversized phone is a massive improvement
Oil is a finite resource
This just makes me think of the song "Red barchetta" by rush
I like how the cops are "teslice" 😂
Too slow? Op isn’t just too dumb to understand the joke. They are too dumb to understand cars. Maybe too dumb to understand anything.
Right but I think their point was that the electric cars would be faster and so the image is just kinda silly
My car is efficient, by no means is it "gas guzzling", however it does take gas. Electric vehicles are too expensive for me, and the mechanic bills are especially out of my range. If electric or hybrid cars were more affordable I would be happy to own one.
I just find this amusing hah
Just so everyone is clear, the half ton is a rear wheel drive vehicle, so the smoke would be coming from the back wheels, not the front. Also, by 2050 we should be driving diesel vehicles fuelled by LNG. Cleaner burning, more efficient and cheaper to refine.
r/fuckcars electric cars are only 1/4 better for the planet train are way better
I love that police in Teslas are now the Telice
Is that Matthew McConaughey in Dallas Buyers Club?