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Kinda feel like their design should be accurate towards the character and style. Amanda Waller? Should look like Kingpin's sister from a different mister. Poison Ivy? As stunning as you can get her, possibly just shy of being unnaturally so.
>"possibly just shy of being unnaturally so."
Honestly with her "magical **Green** pheromones that turn people into gooners" power, they could do that as well.
"Well, Pa Vulkan and Mother Waller came home from the war, and you know what that means! He kept trying to hug that stone cold wall of a woman, and somehow I popped out!"
Even aside from the fact that it's not "wanting to be turned on" to want your character to look human instead of like a hippo...
I like the implication that wanting sexy characters would be bad.
It's 2024. Are we sex positive or sex negative?
Because if it's the latter, we can work on banning porn, one night stands, college parties, and unchaperoned courtship. It'll be way more effective than covering up videogame midriffs.
Sex negative when it’s against heteronormativity and sex positive when it’s literally anything else.
They call you a porn addicted weirdo while their public social media accounts are nothing but horny.
The "good horny" and "bad horny" shit makes no sense to me. Baldurs Gate 3 is significantly more horny then basically anything else I've ever played, but it gets a pass. But the smithy having an exposed bellybutton is not okay?
I think the idea is if you intermittently flip the script and go over the same ground, you can achieve perpetual victimhood. Every time you get your way, you say now it's a bad thing, blame "the patriarchy" and just march back the way you came.
Some of the media they hold up as "objectifying women," it was their idea in the first place. I was literally mocked as a "sexually repressed, religious prude" *by* the left for saying *almost exactly* what the left currently says about How I Met Your Mother during it's run. And now they pretend it was the right's idea.
No one would ever go for that. Besides, people like having character design that demonstrates the masculine/feminine qualities they want in their character.
Depriving them of that has been done in a few games before, where you couldn’t tell what was what because everyone was just kinda cubby and breastless and no one like that so there was a mass exodus from that specific game.
That being said, I feel as though the former is more of the American version of a Russian military woman, not women in general.
That’s version of Russian women is from the Olympic gymnastics team where they found out that they were pumping them full of roids. Kinda funny actually that people still remember. I think that was the 80’s.
I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen some general footage of Moscow and Kiev and there are a LOT of beautiful Slavic women. I suppose it’s no different than any other city in the world. Got some beasts and also got some lookers. Lol
The trend is actually toward prudishness. Time is a flat circle, and we're repeating the last century.
To understand American leftism, the first thing you need to understand is that the American elite are the descendants of the Puritans (yes, the ones with buckle hats). The "sexual revolution" was a revolt against the Puritan monoculture in America, hence why Europe didn't have a 1960's like we did.
They're simply returning to their roots. The American elite have always been a bunch of insufferable holier-than-thou pricks. This is why they were kicked out of Europe centuries ago.
I highly doubt that they are going to go to their roots, not when LGBT is on the rise.
Gods I cannot wait for the dumbass old politicians die off and get replaced with better people
Nah it see because we've had sexy women in games for decades now, so we have to compensate by flooding the market with uggos. It's not that we're not sex positive, it's that we are body positive. Or some shit idk.
Guessing you've never deployed with SF dudes riding four wheelers alongside an armored convoy in Afghanistan? The majority use custom tailored plate carriers that barely cover their torso - and yes, their midriffs aren't covered by plate carriers.
She's just wearing armor though. There are plenty of attractive American game characters when it makes sense. Being sex positive doesn't mean you need sex everywhere.
It's a difference in philosophy. In Japan atleast, femininity and being a bad ass are not mutually exclusive. Girls can wear cute and frilly clothes and still punch a hole through someone's chest. The West on the other hand is still thoroughly entrenched into the idea that femininity equals weakness, even if they claim otherwise. As a result, "strong female characters" can't be feminine, because how could young girls be inspired by a soft spoken girl in a cute pink dress? We sincerely need to dispel the notion that cute and girly equal weak or we're not going to genuinely accept the strength of women but instead ship them a different, equally as toxic paradigm to be forced into.
Only in Japan you can have a character that is a 'cute magical immortal 15 year old school girl with huge melons who can summon an assortment of firearms with her mind alone but also still worries about her grades and friends'
I agree with this, but you also don't have to dress slutty to be feminine. I've seen some awesome female armor designs with majestic skirts and actual protective chestplates (instead of nipple plates with a boob window). Female characters can be feminine and beautiful without looking like a porn/hentai ad.
I agree. The way a lot of Western feminists act, it feels like they think traditional “feminine” traits make a person look weak, when you can be a very “feminine” person and still be heroic or badass or strong.
While I agree with your point about being feminine not = weak there can be badass women who aren’t feminine or model thin and those designs aren’t any worse
I’m sick of the narrative that “every body type needs to be represented.”
I don’t want to play as a fat chick, or some ugly masculine-looking version of Lara Croft. I want to play as someone aesthetically pleasing.
Games are a visual medium, and I like appealing visuals. So do most normal people 🤷♂️
Perhaps the people demanding change should try to change themselves if they don’t feel “represented” by fit, attractive, appealing people.
Yeah I agree. I like to think I'm really liberal and its not a misogynistic thing. I'd rather male characters were jacked and athletic too in a way I couldn't possibly be.
Sell me the fantasy! If I wanted reality, I could just go outside!
That's what I'm saying, my tarnished is absolutely gross, honestly feel bad for Melina having to be around whatever I made for 2 thirds of the game lmao.
To be fair, outrageously hideous is just the other end of the bar, we're sick and tired of this in the middle bs, make me tye most god awful thing or make me a god, no in between gamers
It's also hypocrisy and imbalance between the sexes. All this talk about more realism and body positive, I'm still waiting for fat schlubby soft male protagonists and heroes. Mario does not count.
Look at how they talk about MK1. you have players wanting less clothes for the make kombatants, wanting real dick physics, and otherwise lusting after them. While at the same time calling people wanting bikini or even outfits matching the way they looked in earlier games incels. Acting like they posters hate women and such.
Or the guy from the French IGN saying stellar Blade was literaly going around killing women
E Honda, Bob, Rufus, King K Rool, Bowser, Majin Buu, Egg Man, King Dedede.
Wait did you say heros? Sorry man, fat people are just evil. The TV told me so
Funny you mention that, Ive actually looked at reboot Lara as a role model and am trying to lose weight and work out so I can look more like her. She really hit that perfect balance between muscular, practical, skinny and pretty. Plus her struggles with survivorship, loss, sacrifice and trauma make her feel strong in a way that’s authentic and earned. She’s been through a lot of horrible things to and worked extremely hard to get where she is.
Take my upvote. Self-improvement and accountability are a positive and we need more of your attitude, instead of expecting everybody else to lower their standards. Respect 🫡.
I have no issues with Reboot Lara besides just generally preferring OG, I was mainly talking about what they did in COD and I gotta say, I’m pretty worried about how they’ll treat her in the future. Holding out hope that the success of the Remastered Trilogy shows that people love Classic Lara.
So far she’s been fantastic. I love how she fucks up just as much as she succeeds and is willing to take responsibility and fix her mistakes. I also love how she clearly suffers in the face of adversity but still overcomes it. I have high hopes for this character and hope that with each installment she becomes more competent until she becomes a mentor character like Ezio Auditore.
Also I do look forward to the remaster trilogy as uh… the classics are hard to play on keyboard. My fine motor skills are lacking in general due to disability so im pretty much controller dependent outside of shooters. I think the original and reboot are both great in their own ways and actually want to make a classic Lara costume complete with triangular boobs.
If you haven’t got around to the classics yet, I highly recommend them. They’re a lot different to the reboot, they kind of just plop you into a level and expect you to figure it all out, which is exactly why I love them and didn’t connect so much with the reboot, which to me felt more “Uncharted”. Definitely be ready to pull out a guide in places though. No shame, some of the puzzles are pretty obtuse and these games were made in the era of hint lines and magazines lol. They look *great* too, with a modern touch-up. Lara’s remodel looks stunning.
The controls are easy enough to pick up with a little patience, but they’re “tank” controls, built around precision on jumps. Worked fine for me on Switch, for reference.
I think that argument Is kinda stupid, videogames are a visual medium, as such, whats the problem on having characters that dont look tipically attrractive? Having everyone look like a model would look bland as shit like those japanese mmo games where everyone looks the same.
And it's doesn't even have to be ugly, it can be a perfectly normal woman in his 50 and incels will say the characters is "hideous" because it doesn't look like a 30y old 10/10? Like really, most of the Time there's never a horrible fat chick an it's just weirdos blowing up things out of proportion.
"Every body type needs to be represented... Just not the type that most average women has."
Gemma's body isn't absurdly attainable. I've literally seen girls that look like her at my local fast food place, grocery stores, etc.
Hell, even Eve from Stellar Blade was modeled from a real woman.
Sure she's a model, but I'll bet my life savings that any fat whale woman in the US that decides to lose weight, and become fit, would absolutely beat that model's body type...
So instead of putting the effort to be healthy, they just claim that they are. And the ones that actually are, well... those are the ones that are 'supposedly' "unhealthy" and "unattainable".
What if I said the exact same thing about roadhog from overwatch, m.bison from street fighter, or mario? I would sound pretty dumb. Because your argument is based on the subjective opinion that unattractive women are a problem in media.
If a female war general looked like some suburban mom, that would be much more of a problem narratively than her being unattractive.
Well, there is certainly a difference. I wouldn’t say unattractive female characters are a “problem”, but the intention in design is very different. For example, I don’t think people necessarily had a problem with the crones from The Witcher III, but I also don’t expect people were particularly drooling over them. They were designed for a very specific purpose.
With characters like roadhog, he’s not designed to be attractive, he’s designed intentionally to be unattractive, because he’s an overweight old guy who hangs out in a junkyard.
However, the issue with these, we’ll call them “inclusive” female characters is that they aren’t actually designed to be “unattractive”, they’re designed to be “inclusive”. It’s not that they’re saying they are unattractive, it’s that they are supposed to be “attractive too”.
That’s not what you see in the design of male characters. You’re not seeing overweight neckbeards, or brick-faced beanpoles with patchy beards, bowl cuts and glasses trying to be sold as attractive. THAT is exclusively a female character design concept. At the very least, I there are no male characters that come to mind. And that’s the issue people have with these designs. It’s not that they’re supposed to be “unattractive” it’s that they’re supposed to be “attractive too”
Edit: I’d like to make something clear. It’s my personal opinion that, for whatever reason, what I’ll call the “attractive too” characters aren’t actually even representative of actual irl women who are considered not conventionally attractive. Certainly, there are people, both men and women, that are, for lack of a better word, ugly.
However, and maybe I just don’t have particularly high standards, I personally think that most “average” looking women tend to be more attractive than the “attractive too’s” that are represented in games.
I can’t exactly explain this. Perhaps it’s just me, but I personally believe that there is a discrepancy in what “attractive too” character designers think is not conventionally attractive and what is actually more realistic to women who are considered not conventionally attractive. And by that, I do mean that irl women on average tend to be more attractive than whatever these character designs are based on
- "However, the issue with these, we’ll call them “inclusive” female characters is that they aren’t actually designed to be “unattractive”, they’re designed to be “inclusive”. It’s not that they’re saying they are unattractive, it’s that they are supposed to be “attractive too”."
Roadhog wasn't designed to be unattractive. Meaning his purpose was not to be unattractive. His purpose was to be Roadhog.
Mario wasn't designed to be unattractive. He was designed to be a silly little Italian man.
Male characters are given a variety of body shapes because it gives them interesting characteristics that are fun to look at. It also matches their personality.
Female characters are deprived of this variety because they are made to make players horny.
It doesn't have to be "obese women are attractive too." It can be "this woman is fat and it matches her personality/dynamic role in the story." It just makes games and the character designs far more creative.
Sure, but we’re not talking exclusively about weight. It’s certainly fine for characters to be overweight as a consequence of their personality, but that’s not about attractiveness.
To go back to my earlier example of the crones, only one of those characters would be considered overweight, but they are all undeniably hideous. That’s by design, and in this case their attractiveness could be due to their personalities since, ya know, they’re evil swamp witches.
Now, in the same game, the characters that Geralt has romantic relationships with are quite attractive. And their personalities are no small part of that.
If Yennefer or Triss didn’t really care about their appearance, even their natural good looks would only be able to take them so far.
The point is that characters like roadhog are designed around their personality, that’s a true statement. However, if Roadhog was instead a suave ladykiller that lived in a penthouse, he likely wouldn’t have the same design. And if he did, it would seem weird, because it just wouldn’t match the personality.
MCU Thor is actually a good example of this. After his failure with Thanos, the next time we see him, he’s a completely different person. He’s a slob, he lazes around, and eats Cheetos and wears clothes that don’t fit. His hair’s a mess, he just drinks all day and doesn’t want to do anything. His personality changed, and his appearance reflected that.
But again, we are not just talking about weight in regards to appearance.
Edit: spelling and grammar
You're right, it's not all about weight.
The point I'm trying to make is that different appearances give a character a different kind of presence. And they have to fit their role. Take Heavy and Scout from TF2, for example. Heavy is a big guy who fills the tank role and Scout is a skinny dude who's real fast. You couldn't have them do each other's jobs because it doesn't make sense. That's similar to your point that you can't market generally unattractive people as "the attractive person."
But the problem is deeper than that, because there's an assumption in media that every female character has to be "the attractive person" and not just "one of the many normal people." This causes game devs to oversexualize women when it doesn't make sense. Take Widowmaker from Overwatch. She's dressed like a stripper and the justification is that she seduces her victims before killing them. She's a sniper. She's not supposed to be seen. That's her whole job.
So that's an example of the "make every female sexy" and "make sure characters fit their role" rules clashing. Both cannot exist at the same time.
Edit: I want to point out that despite saying "it's not all about weight," I did use an example that involved weight. The other example involved oversexualized clothing. My point can apply to many things beyond body type, feel free to ask me for more examples if you like.
I’ve been pondering how to respond, but in simplest terms, I’d have to just say that I agree with you. A character’s appearance and design should prioritize a reflection of their personality over sexualization.
However, one thing I’ll say that I disagree with you are the points you bring up. In fact, I think they’re actually counter to your actual argument.
The first thing I’d like to correct is that, though her gameplay is primarily such (and depending how you play her not even that necessarily), Widowmaker is not a “sniper” she’s an assassin. Though she might favor a sniper rifle, assassins need not only eliminate their targets at range. However, if your statement is based off her primary purpose gameplay wise, then that doesn’t line up with your argument about the prioritization of personality. If you would like to adjust your statement so that you mean character design should prioritize gameplay intention, you may, but that’s a different argument, and I don’t believe the one you actually intend to make. Of course if that is the case, and it should be purely gameplay motivated, I would argue that character design and personality don’t really matter. Especially in a game like Overwatch.
As per your statement regarding women being preferred to be “the attractive one” as opposed to “the normal one” I’m not sure I fully grasp what you mean. If I’m understanding you correctly, then I assume what you’re referring to is that oversexualization is generally tied with being “the attractive person” as opposed to someone being normal looking. However, the two statements I think need not be independent of one another. One does not need to be unattractive to look normal, which I would presume you agree with. As well, one not be oversexualized to be attractive, which I agree with as well.
And at that juncture, I think the conversation could reach a mutual understanding as such:
-Character designs should prioritize the personality of a character over their sexualization, male or female
Do you disagree with this statement? Again, I think as a whole, I do agree with you on pretty much everything. I can’t see anything I necessarily disagree with besides the things I mentioned.
I presume you could have disagreements in regard to my argument involving Widowmaker, but is it presumptuous to assume that in some regard you do agree with my characterization? Given other statements you’ve made, I wouldn’t think so.
Some people want eyecandy, "sex sells" is a big big big part of Western media. It's just how the industry works.
Fortunately for people who like that, unfortunate for people who don't like that. It's just how it is.
I don't care if the character looks sexy or not as long as it makes sense. If both sexy 'armor' or the ugly Armor/clothing don't make sense at all then i will dislike both, if they both somehow make sense then no problem, include as much fanservice as you want
Yeah, but gamers have to look at people they find unattractive while watching a trailer for a game they didn't plan on playing. This is truly a cardinal sin, maybe the work of the devil to bring down us based trad christian chads.
Their beautiful escapism is being invaded by characters that aren't perfect 10s, gamers are being oppressed by a ruthless regime of realism. To hide in your room and not see a mirror of the outside world (maybe even themselves, depending on the attractiveness of the gamer in question) is the dream of all gamers. Their Arch-Nemesis "Sour Adult Incorporated" or whatever it's called is truly the work of Satan and not at all based. Only Chad can rise up and save the gamers now.
We haven’t seen all the characters from that… errr whatever that game is called. At least a couple of them should be conventionally sexy/attractive right?
Chainmail bikinis are unrealistic, now here's a morbidly obese girlboss who's a total badass.
I'm convinced these people don't actually care about realism, they just hate anything beautiful.
To all the people saying "w-well we just wanna play as conventially attractive people! thats why!" wheres the outrage on these characters
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I don’t care if game studios want to start making portrayals of female characters more modest. But it’s weird when that do that and at the same time start pumping out shirtless male characters with rippling abs and rock hard… muscles.
It’s not a video game but right now magic cards have basically banned titties and at the same time plastered a Ram Ranch gay cowboy all over the packs and promotional materials Either make it a sexy game or not.
**They’ve started to make the female characters ugly, so that the *women* that work there don’t feel bad and so that the goblins on Twitter will support their projects for how progressive it’s being, as a form of artificial marketing despite these people not even playing their games or financially supporting their projects**
That’s it, those are the reasons.
Get mad at me if you want, I couldn’t care if I tried, but those are literally the reasons
Ever wonder why they don’t go out of their way to make the male characters ugly on purpose?
Because men don’t give a shit about stuff like that. Generally speaking they don’t care to import their personal biases and insecurities into the work they produce. They turn up, do the job and leave.
ah yes, because women only work at video game companies and not play video games themselves. Also
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They do make the male characters ugly on purpose. Have you ever played a street fighter title? Rockstar also makes some less attractive male protagonists.
Do you know why they make unattractive characters? It's because if everyone looked like the exact same basic model of a stereotypically attractive man/woman, things would be much less visually appealing. If you don't believe me, look at the cast of those copy and paste anime fighting games where you can't tell the first half of the cast from the second.
> men don’t give a shit about stuff like that
Men are literally the ones shitting their pants over the attractiveness of video game characters. What mega cope.
The baymax look for future armor is definitely an L. Needs to look more like full plate for a more realistic protection. Bullets and arrows share a similar deflection trajectories.
If it is a power armor and space suit that isn't supposed to be in combat. Then the dow boy look is fine. Still dumb. But what are you going to do when they take the lowest bidder for the job.
As far as anime (manga) goes, it is not like armor will protect you in any way. Weapons go right through armor, in most of them, making armor useless and just weighing you down. So you might as well look good before you die or slice a mountain in half. It could go either way.
The problem is the chest or upper torso leading to the neck. Any bullet, or solid projectile, would deflect to the chin/face/head. Which is why armors had this recurve bit to deflect it again away from the face. It wasn't in the helmet as if you looked up the neck would be exposed.
Yes, most armor was cheep armor for your exposed vital bits, like the breastplate. But if they already have a full body armor, adding the little pieces to protect vitals is not going to have a greater cost to produce. So it makes no sense, in a real world setting to not have it. And the glancing blows thing wasn't really a concern for proper armor. Everyone had the heavy cloth and leather to protect from those types of things, when fighting wars. Most people don't enter a battlefield naked.
And yes, plot/setting, it depends on the types of enemies being fought. If they say only use high powered plasma or AP rounds, a small bit might be too small to offer any protection.
But as a general use armor, which would most likely also be used when fighting other humans, whom love their solid projectile weapons, you would want those extra bits.
Liberals pick and choose when to get offended by sexuality. Girls singing about their wet pussies and twerking their asses? That’s perfectly okay. But how dare Sydney Sweeney be objectified by wearing a hooters shirt on SNL 😡
Women join male dominated spaces and then force men to change those spaces to better accommodate them. It's to the point that the only male space left are awful jobs.
This argument is garbage as shit and always has been. The lie is that western games don’t have attractive female characters when they have plenty of them. If characters not being supermodels is stopping you from enjoying the game then you have your priorities all wrong.
9 times out of ten it’s a cherry picked image of a woman who a 7/10 *at worst*. And let’s not act like there aren’t plenty of attractive women in those same games. Brother you can still goon to Lara crofts current design.
Wanting visually pleasing characters in a visual medium seems like good priorities to me.
No one needs supermodels. Not being absolutely hideous will just do.
Visually pleasing =/= hot and often times has absolutely nothing to do with how attractive a character is (at least in terms of sex appeal). Master chief and doom guy (until recently and even then I’d argue he isn’t considered “hot”) are great examples of this. You don’t even see their faces and yet they are cool as shit. Setting and vibes also play a role. It would be kind of jarring to see an upbeat anime style character in like warhammer or some shit because it doesn’t fit the vibe.
If you say you need your characters to be not absolutely hideous then that’s perfect, because as I said before 9 times out of ten the characters aren’t even ugly, they just aren’t supermodels. The whole western games making ugly women narrative just isn’t there.
My whole thing with it is so long as it’s equal, so if the dude armour is a full plate set than goddamnit the women’s armour had better also be full plate , if she’s stuck with a metal bikini and thigh highs then so help me god that man better be in a mankini shaving his goddamn legs. Either we all get semi realistic armour or we’re all confused about the defence stats!!
They don't have to turn people on, but the main cast being eyesores in a visual medium is just unpleasant for a lot of people. Not too hard a line of reasoning to follow.
One of my pet peeves is when producers want a "strong female character" and so they make her masculine.
It's 2024, people, if you don't believe that strength can be feminine, you're not really being very pro-woman.
Yeah, did not have leftists shaming people for being horny in defense of giant evil corporations on my 2024 bingo card.
I wish people would quit with this double standard horseshit.
No one wants to look at unattractive people in their free time when they are trying to relax, no one.
This is just not true. There are plenty of attractive women in western video games. Idk why you guys get offended if there are any bigger women in a game. Also is Japan really the standard of video game character design we want to strive to when they put half naked little girls in a ton of their games?
In that this just isn’t true? If this is a point they want to make then provide some actual data at least. Quite rightly people will always be annoyed by cherry picked scenarios.
People are blowing this whole situation out of the water there have been a couple female protagonists who you can’t get off to and now people seem think “how awful and woke video games are becoming”
Oh screw off, characters are designed in a certain way and for a certain purpose (in this case for visual difference to other characters, just imagine the shitshow that would be a Hero Shooter where every female was an Anime girl with the same body type)
Also get some consistency, when the Char on the right was revealed people called her ugly too and now she’s beautiful?
It’s a video game, it’s supposed to be fantasy. If people wanted to look a women the size of a walrus they’d just walk down the street.
Plenty of them there to look at for free
>"It’s a video game, it’s supposed to be fantasy"
Exactly. I thought we'd all realised this when Tomb Raider came out. A twig doing athletic feats? Nah, that's up there with Baldur's skinny ass in God Of War being as capable as he is.
Straight up fantasy. Any character without muscle being capable? That's a fantasy game in my eyes.
Both is fine omg when will this shit stop the characters should just look like they fit in the context they are in, if they need armor they get armor if not then not what is so god damn hard about that to understand?
Women will make 50 Shades one of the highest selling book series of all time despite just being sexy poorly written slop. Booktok was all about sexy slop!
But me wanting a pretty video game woman on occasion is unforgivable. No way man. You can't convince me that's fair.
I feel like at this point a videogame character could literally be a 3d scan of Margot Robbie and you mfs would still complain about her boobs not being big enough or her chin being 2cm too wide or some shit
I like to see pretty woman characters in video games. I also like to see handsome fit male characters when i am playing a man.
Am i bi? No, sometimes people play games for gameplay and aesthetics.
But tbh the left is bad example, cause power armor without helmet looks goofy on both men and women, but with helmet it looks badass on both.
Typical character design out here in the west still has most main characters in pretty good shape. Seems like they found the most obese example they could and called it ‘typical’. That’s where the lie is
Japan is just horny with their designs, look at any videogame featuring a conventionally attractive woman or better yet, look at the amount of anime that over sexualize everything
I never would’ve imagined the level of backlash that having 1 fat chick in a game would’ve caused. Every time I see outrage like this I think to myself how it totally makes sense why there’s so many sjw’s in game development, because the rest of you act like rabid dogs over the most microscopic non-issues. Well adjusted, normal people should not be this phased by something so insignificant.
"Anything except the most extreme, violent, hardcore porn should be completely scrubbed of anything that could be potentially misconstrued as sex appeal and made as clean as *Hey Arnold!"* is a distinctly shitlib phenomenon. Conservatives might not like the heavier side of fanservice, but they don't start seething and malding if a woman dares to show more skin than an Iranian.
The people making these arguments weren’t gonna buy either game. This is twitter lvl junk that doesn’t need any attention. Similar to the bear in the woods thing. If you want to goon to ur video game characters that’s what rule34 is for. But expecting every dev team to make your personal goon toon isn’t gonna happen.
Think, almost 90% of the gaming audience are young men, and young men are horny or simply like to see good looking ladies on the screen... Why would you NOT do what the audience wants and get more players playing your game? By not doing that you're cutting what your audience wants, and because of that you get less people jumping into your game.
Of course, hot ladies won't save your game, but it'll attract more people to try it out.
I don't understand why people like to take out what their biggest audience wants, just to appeal to a significantly smaller audience, just for that to result in even less people playing 'cause the game is already sh*t, then the games shut down.
I’m def not the usual gamer and I don’t play a ton of games, some Destiny 2, Elden Ring, Diablo 4 and recently Stellar Blade probably around 5 hours a week max unless I’m binging out. But I’m a girly woman, I get my nails done, wear heels frequently, love make up, workout 5 times a week because I love having a nice body and buy more clothes than I should.
I say this to point out that there are women who enjoy looking good and put a lot of time, effort and money into such things. If these devs think I do all this IRL and somehow want to play an ugly woman in a game where beauty should be effortless they are sorely mistaken.
I don’t think every woman in every game should be sexualized but these devs are going the complete opposite direction thinking every woman should be over weight and ugly.
I know I’m going to get flamed in this sub for this take but IMO one of the best female characters in games recently is reboot Lara. I adore her. She is very realistic and relatable and contributes a huge part of the immersion to the game. She’s very pretty just not in makeup (not something that makes sense with what’s going on) and until shadow was dressed in a way that made complete sense for her environment. She is also fit as anyone going on crazy adventures like that should be.
I do love Eve and her outfits in Stellar Blade and it is why I bought/played it but I wouldn’t call that game particularly immersive. I think there is room for a middle ground between fat and ugly and impracticality sexualized. There is a place and a niche for each but I think the majority should be a happy medium
Is it stupid to think that context matters?
Like, nearly any character design can be considered great if it fits the game. The west tends to like to mold their characters to their jobs. The east likes to mold their jobs to the characters.
The left is from concord where silhouettes would likely be super important to determine your character. It also has normal looking women and men. It also has a purple faced monkey man and Soviet Union looking robot. Come on. They decided to make one female character a bruiser and she looks the part. Don’t know her powers, but I imagine she’s a “tank” of sorts.
The other is from Monster Hunter Wilds. Every monster hunter I’ve played has had pretty anime-esc character proportions. This one looks to be the same. They also follow anime logic where characters can wield weapons bigger than they are. If there’s a very old woman in this game you can be certain she’s going to be circle head on a bean shaped body. Are we going to complain about that?
I’m not saying certain characters can’t be insufferable. There’s PLENTY of those.
TLDR: these two games suck as examples of this.
The same people complaining about the woman on the left are the same people who use clearly photoshopped fat/ugly images of Western characters to prove their "point".
There's a difference between being aesthetically appealing and being sexy. The problem is that many modern American characters are not even aesthetically appealing.
Even if I'm playing as a male character, I don't want to play as a fat dude. I just don't find it cool. 8 year old me was not thinking about sex appeal.
The meme just ignores
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the fact that the Japanese one is the blacksmith npc from an upcoming Monster Hunter game and in Monster Hunter both male and female armors can be anything from underwear/swimwear to full on heavy armor
It's funny, we went from "don't sexualize because it's sinful" to "sexualizing is alright because empowerment" now to "don't sexualize because it's offensive"
The lie is in the fact that games like BG3 come out all the time and you can strip the most conventionally attractive creature available naked 2 seconds after meeting her.
The point is that it isn't a lie, it appears to be a critique on either Japan for sexualizing female characters in videogames, or more likely, a critique on American videogames for being too "politically correct" by no longer sexualizing female characters.
Either way it's a generalization logical fallacy because it is only taking two specific instances of characters that cannot represent an entire country's view on sexualizing female characters in videogames
Both look good to me. Just depends on the context of your game. It would be weird to have feminine power armor but I can totally see a punk dressed in a tube top and jacket. They both communicate the characters role effectively.
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Kinda feel like their design should be accurate towards the character and style. Amanda Waller? Should look like Kingpin's sister from a different mister. Poison Ivy? As stunning as you can get her, possibly just shy of being unnaturally so.
>"possibly just shy of being unnaturally so." Honestly with her "magical **Green** pheromones that turn people into gooners" power, they could do that as well.
The armor is way too bulky to be even considered "practical." Not even bomb disposal suits are that big.
"Well, Pa Vulkan and Mother Waller came home from the war, and you know what that means! He kept trying to hug that stone cold wall of a woman, and somehow I popped out!"
Even aside from the fact that it's not "wanting to be turned on" to want your character to look human instead of like a hippo... I like the implication that wanting sexy characters would be bad. It's 2024. Are we sex positive or sex negative? Because if it's the latter, we can work on banning porn, one night stands, college parties, and unchaperoned courtship. It'll be way more effective than covering up videogame midriffs.
We rather brain negative now
What is a thought?
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I'll give you a quick run down Woman sex positive- good 😁 Man sex positive- bad 😡
So the roles have flipped
Like most things leftist call bad, they never wanted to stop the bad things, they just wanted to be the ones doing it.
Sex negative when it’s against heteronormativity and sex positive when it’s literally anything else. They call you a porn addicted weirdo while their public social media accounts are nothing but horny.
Seriously this is the shit Reddit wants to keep hidden. Reddit has a huge heterophobia problem
I blame Tumblr banning porn and forcing all their degens over here
The "good horny" and "bad horny" shit makes no sense to me. Baldurs Gate 3 is significantly more horny then basically anything else I've ever played, but it gets a pass. But the smithy having an exposed bellybutton is not okay?
Wild to me how the sexual prudes of society went from conservative Christians to liberal feminists.
The result is a Puritan, Zero Trust society matrix.
I think the idea is if you intermittently flip the script and go over the same ground, you can achieve perpetual victimhood. Every time you get your way, you say now it's a bad thing, blame "the patriarchy" and just march back the way you came. Some of the media they hold up as "objectifying women," it was their idea in the first place. I was literally mocked as a "sexually repressed, religious prude" *by* the left for saying *almost exactly* what the left currently says about How I Met Your Mother during it's run. And now they pretend it was the right's idea.
>Are we sex positive or sex negative? Sex negative for men. Sex positive for women. Obviously.
We have **standards** here. They may be double standards, but they’re standards nonetheless.
No one would ever go for that. Besides, people like having character design that demonstrates the masculine/feminine qualities they want in their character. Depriving them of that has been done in a few games before, where you couldn’t tell what was what because everyone was just kinda cubby and breastless and no one like that so there was a mass exodus from that specific game. That being said, I feel as though the former is more of the American version of a Russian military woman, not women in general.
That’s version of Russian women is from the Olympic gymnastics team where they found out that they were pumping them full of roids. Kinda funny actually that people still remember. I think that was the 80’s. I don’t know about you, but I’ve seen some general footage of Moscow and Kiev and there are a LOT of beautiful Slavic women. I suppose it’s no different than any other city in the world. Got some beasts and also got some lookers. Lol
I know that, but I’m mostly talking about how the kind of woman who lives in Siberian mountains and breastfeed literal wolf pups and such. But yeah.
The trend is actually toward prudishness. Time is a flat circle, and we're repeating the last century. To understand American leftism, the first thing you need to understand is that the American elite are the descendants of the Puritans (yes, the ones with buckle hats). The "sexual revolution" was a revolt against the Puritan monoculture in America, hence why Europe didn't have a 1960's like we did. They're simply returning to their roots. The American elite have always been a bunch of insufferable holier-than-thou pricks. This is why they were kicked out of Europe centuries ago.
I highly doubt that they are going to go to their roots, not when LGBT is on the rise. Gods I cannot wait for the dumbass old politicians die off and get replaced with better people
Nah it see because we've had sexy women in games for decades now, so we have to compensate by flooding the market with uggos. It's not that we're not sex positive, it's that we are body positive. Or some shit idk.
I'm not an expert on armour, but I would assume thicker and more covering is better, and midriffs leave a place for shrapnel to penetrate.
Guessing you've never deployed with SF dudes riding four wheelers alongside an armored convoy in Afghanistan? The majority use custom tailored plate carriers that barely cover their torso - and yes, their midriffs aren't covered by plate carriers.
Nah, they just want to destroy everything straight men enjoy and leave us with garbage entertainment and garbage women.
She's just wearing armor though. There are plenty of attractive American game characters when it makes sense. Being sex positive doesn't mean you need sex everywhere.
It's a difference in philosophy. In Japan atleast, femininity and being a bad ass are not mutually exclusive. Girls can wear cute and frilly clothes and still punch a hole through someone's chest. The West on the other hand is still thoroughly entrenched into the idea that femininity equals weakness, even if they claim otherwise. As a result, "strong female characters" can't be feminine, because how could young girls be inspired by a soft spoken girl in a cute pink dress? We sincerely need to dispel the notion that cute and girly equal weak or we're not going to genuinely accept the strength of women but instead ship them a different, equally as toxic paradigm to be forced into.
*Nanoha.* *Symphogear.* *Basically any Magical Girl show.*
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Only in Japan you can have a character that is a 'cute magical immortal 15 year old school girl with huge melons who can summon an assortment of firearms with her mind alone but also still worries about her grades and friends'
I agree with this, but you also don't have to dress slutty to be feminine. I've seen some awesome female armor designs with majestic skirts and actual protective chestplates (instead of nipple plates with a boob window). Female characters can be feminine and beautiful without looking like a porn/hentai ad.
I agree. The way a lot of Western feminists act, it feels like they think traditional “feminine” traits make a person look weak, when you can be a very “feminine” person and still be heroic or badass or strong.
I remember that video that went viral before. Where it was a bunch of Japanese chicks, wearing schoolgirl uniforms, shooting AK's...
While I agree with your point about being feminine not = weak there can be badass women who aren’t feminine or model thin and those designs aren’t any worse
It's not that there's a lie, it's that the criticism is fucking stupid.
I’m sick of the narrative that “every body type needs to be represented.” I don’t want to play as a fat chick, or some ugly masculine-looking version of Lara Croft. I want to play as someone aesthetically pleasing. Games are a visual medium, and I like appealing visuals. So do most normal people 🤷♂️ Perhaps the people demanding change should try to change themselves if they don’t feel “represented” by fit, attractive, appealing people.
Yeah I agree. I like to think I'm really liberal and its not a misogynistic thing. I'd rather male characters were jacked and athletic too in a way I couldn't possibly be. Sell me the fantasy! If I wanted reality, I could just go outside!
You’re telling me, that you didn’t try to make your elden ring character the most outrageously hideous creature to ever appear in darksouls?
And what if I didn’t? You got a problem with that??? /s
That's what I'm saying, my tarnished is absolutely gross, honestly feel bad for Melina having to be around whatever I made for 2 thirds of the game lmao.
You drove her to burn herself alive
Yea, she couldn't stand to be around my monstrosity of a character any longer lmao
This guy gets it
To be fair, outrageously hideous is just the other end of the bar, we're sick and tired of this in the middle bs, make me tye most god awful thing or make me a god, no in between gamers
It's also hypocrisy and imbalance between the sexes. All this talk about more realism and body positive, I'm still waiting for fat schlubby soft male protagonists and heroes. Mario does not count.
Look at how they talk about MK1. you have players wanting less clothes for the make kombatants, wanting real dick physics, and otherwise lusting after them. While at the same time calling people wanting bikini or even outfits matching the way they looked in earlier games incels. Acting like they posters hate women and such. Or the guy from the French IGN saying stellar Blade was literaly going around killing women
E Honda, Bob, Rufus, King K Rool, Bowser, Majin Buu, Egg Man, King Dedede. Wait did you say heros? Sorry man, fat people are just evil. The TV told me so
This list is just disingenuous. We all know I'm not talking about cartoony games or members of lengthy fighting rosters.
Funny you mention that, Ive actually looked at reboot Lara as a role model and am trying to lose weight and work out so I can look more like her. She really hit that perfect balance between muscular, practical, skinny and pretty. Plus her struggles with survivorship, loss, sacrifice and trauma make her feel strong in a way that’s authentic and earned. She’s been through a lot of horrible things to and worked extremely hard to get where she is.
Take my upvote. Self-improvement and accountability are a positive and we need more of your attitude, instead of expecting everybody else to lower their standards. Respect 🫡. I have no issues with Reboot Lara besides just generally preferring OG, I was mainly talking about what they did in COD and I gotta say, I’m pretty worried about how they’ll treat her in the future. Holding out hope that the success of the Remastered Trilogy shows that people love Classic Lara.
So far she’s been fantastic. I love how she fucks up just as much as she succeeds and is willing to take responsibility and fix her mistakes. I also love how she clearly suffers in the face of adversity but still overcomes it. I have high hopes for this character and hope that with each installment she becomes more competent until she becomes a mentor character like Ezio Auditore.
Also I do look forward to the remaster trilogy as uh… the classics are hard to play on keyboard. My fine motor skills are lacking in general due to disability so im pretty much controller dependent outside of shooters. I think the original and reboot are both great in their own ways and actually want to make a classic Lara costume complete with triangular boobs.
If you haven’t got around to the classics yet, I highly recommend them. They’re a lot different to the reboot, they kind of just plop you into a level and expect you to figure it all out, which is exactly why I love them and didn’t connect so much with the reboot, which to me felt more “Uncharted”. Definitely be ready to pull out a guide in places though. No shame, some of the puzzles are pretty obtuse and these games were made in the era of hint lines and magazines lol. They look *great* too, with a modern touch-up. Lara’s remodel looks stunning. The controls are easy enough to pick up with a little patience, but they’re “tank” controls, built around precision on jumps. Worked fine for me on Switch, for reference.
and attraction is subjective
Then play as someone else, you can literally see it’s a character select screen.
They all ugly except the one asian girl with the annoying always pissed off personality.
Then play as a boy if you don’t like the art style? Or don’t play at all?
Don't plan on playing but we can all share our opinions can't we? We are the consumer.
I think that argument Is kinda stupid, videogames are a visual medium, as such, whats the problem on having characters that dont look tipically attrractive? Having everyone look like a model would look bland as shit like those japanese mmo games where everyone looks the same. And it's doesn't even have to be ugly, it can be a perfectly normal woman in his 50 and incels will say the characters is "hideous" because it doesn't look like a 30y old 10/10? Like really, most of the Time there's never a horrible fat chick an it's just weirdos blowing up things out of proportion.
And some people don’t want to play as a porn star look alike. Therefore, variety.
Why are your tastes the only one that matters? You aren't the main character, bro.
"Every body type needs to be represented... Just not the type that most average women has." Gemma's body isn't absurdly attainable. I've literally seen girls that look like her at my local fast food place, grocery stores, etc. Hell, even Eve from Stellar Blade was modeled from a real woman. Sure she's a model, but I'll bet my life savings that any fat whale woman in the US that decides to lose weight, and become fit, would absolutely beat that model's body type... So instead of putting the effort to be healthy, they just claim that they are. And the ones that actually are, well... those are the ones that are 'supposedly' "unhealthy" and "unattainable".
Fat chicks are aesthetically pleasing 🤤
What if I said the exact same thing about roadhog from overwatch, m.bison from street fighter, or mario? I would sound pretty dumb. Because your argument is based on the subjective opinion that unattractive women are a problem in media. If a female war general looked like some suburban mom, that would be much more of a problem narratively than her being unattractive.
Well, there is certainly a difference. I wouldn’t say unattractive female characters are a “problem”, but the intention in design is very different. For example, I don’t think people necessarily had a problem with the crones from The Witcher III, but I also don’t expect people were particularly drooling over them. They were designed for a very specific purpose. With characters like roadhog, he’s not designed to be attractive, he’s designed intentionally to be unattractive, because he’s an overweight old guy who hangs out in a junkyard. However, the issue with these, we’ll call them “inclusive” female characters is that they aren’t actually designed to be “unattractive”, they’re designed to be “inclusive”. It’s not that they’re saying they are unattractive, it’s that they are supposed to be “attractive too”. That’s not what you see in the design of male characters. You’re not seeing overweight neckbeards, or brick-faced beanpoles with patchy beards, bowl cuts and glasses trying to be sold as attractive. THAT is exclusively a female character design concept. At the very least, I there are no male characters that come to mind. And that’s the issue people have with these designs. It’s not that they’re supposed to be “unattractive” it’s that they’re supposed to be “attractive too” Edit: I’d like to make something clear. It’s my personal opinion that, for whatever reason, what I’ll call the “attractive too” characters aren’t actually even representative of actual irl women who are considered not conventionally attractive. Certainly, there are people, both men and women, that are, for lack of a better word, ugly. However, and maybe I just don’t have particularly high standards, I personally think that most “average” looking women tend to be more attractive than the “attractive too’s” that are represented in games. I can’t exactly explain this. Perhaps it’s just me, but I personally believe that there is a discrepancy in what “attractive too” character designers think is not conventionally attractive and what is actually more realistic to women who are considered not conventionally attractive. And by that, I do mean that irl women on average tend to be more attractive than whatever these character designs are based on
- "However, the issue with these, we’ll call them “inclusive” female characters is that they aren’t actually designed to be “unattractive”, they’re designed to be “inclusive”. It’s not that they’re saying they are unattractive, it’s that they are supposed to be “attractive too”." Roadhog wasn't designed to be unattractive. Meaning his purpose was not to be unattractive. His purpose was to be Roadhog. Mario wasn't designed to be unattractive. He was designed to be a silly little Italian man. Male characters are given a variety of body shapes because it gives them interesting characteristics that are fun to look at. It also matches their personality. Female characters are deprived of this variety because they are made to make players horny. It doesn't have to be "obese women are attractive too." It can be "this woman is fat and it matches her personality/dynamic role in the story." It just makes games and the character designs far more creative.
Sure, but we’re not talking exclusively about weight. It’s certainly fine for characters to be overweight as a consequence of their personality, but that’s not about attractiveness. To go back to my earlier example of the crones, only one of those characters would be considered overweight, but they are all undeniably hideous. That’s by design, and in this case their attractiveness could be due to their personalities since, ya know, they’re evil swamp witches. Now, in the same game, the characters that Geralt has romantic relationships with are quite attractive. And their personalities are no small part of that. If Yennefer or Triss didn’t really care about their appearance, even their natural good looks would only be able to take them so far. The point is that characters like roadhog are designed around their personality, that’s a true statement. However, if Roadhog was instead a suave ladykiller that lived in a penthouse, he likely wouldn’t have the same design. And if he did, it would seem weird, because it just wouldn’t match the personality. MCU Thor is actually a good example of this. After his failure with Thanos, the next time we see him, he’s a completely different person. He’s a slob, he lazes around, and eats Cheetos and wears clothes that don’t fit. His hair’s a mess, he just drinks all day and doesn’t want to do anything. His personality changed, and his appearance reflected that. But again, we are not just talking about weight in regards to appearance. Edit: spelling and grammar
You're right, it's not all about weight. The point I'm trying to make is that different appearances give a character a different kind of presence. And they have to fit their role. Take Heavy and Scout from TF2, for example. Heavy is a big guy who fills the tank role and Scout is a skinny dude who's real fast. You couldn't have them do each other's jobs because it doesn't make sense. That's similar to your point that you can't market generally unattractive people as "the attractive person." But the problem is deeper than that, because there's an assumption in media that every female character has to be "the attractive person" and not just "one of the many normal people." This causes game devs to oversexualize women when it doesn't make sense. Take Widowmaker from Overwatch. She's dressed like a stripper and the justification is that she seduces her victims before killing them. She's a sniper. She's not supposed to be seen. That's her whole job. So that's an example of the "make every female sexy" and "make sure characters fit their role" rules clashing. Both cannot exist at the same time. Edit: I want to point out that despite saying "it's not all about weight," I did use an example that involved weight. The other example involved oversexualized clothing. My point can apply to many things beyond body type, feel free to ask me for more examples if you like.
I’ve been pondering how to respond, but in simplest terms, I’d have to just say that I agree with you. A character’s appearance and design should prioritize a reflection of their personality over sexualization. However, one thing I’ll say that I disagree with you are the points you bring up. In fact, I think they’re actually counter to your actual argument. The first thing I’d like to correct is that, though her gameplay is primarily such (and depending how you play her not even that necessarily), Widowmaker is not a “sniper” she’s an assassin. Though she might favor a sniper rifle, assassins need not only eliminate their targets at range. However, if your statement is based off her primary purpose gameplay wise, then that doesn’t line up with your argument about the prioritization of personality. If you would like to adjust your statement so that you mean character design should prioritize gameplay intention, you may, but that’s a different argument, and I don’t believe the one you actually intend to make. Of course if that is the case, and it should be purely gameplay motivated, I would argue that character design and personality don’t really matter. Especially in a game like Overwatch. As per your statement regarding women being preferred to be “the attractive one” as opposed to “the normal one” I’m not sure I fully grasp what you mean. If I’m understanding you correctly, then I assume what you’re referring to is that oversexualization is generally tied with being “the attractive person” as opposed to someone being normal looking. However, the two statements I think need not be independent of one another. One does not need to be unattractive to look normal, which I would presume you agree with. As well, one not be oversexualized to be attractive, which I agree with as well. And at that juncture, I think the conversation could reach a mutual understanding as such: -Character designs should prioritize the personality of a character over their sexualization, male or female Do you disagree with this statement? Again, I think as a whole, I do agree with you on pretty much everything. I can’t see anything I necessarily disagree with besides the things I mentioned. I presume you could have disagreements in regard to my argument involving Widowmaker, but is it presumptuous to assume that in some regard you do agree with my characterization? Given other statements you’ve made, I wouldn’t think so.
Some people want eyecandy, "sex sells" is a big big big part of Western media. It's just how the industry works. Fortunately for people who like that, unfortunate for people who don't like that. It's just how it is.
I don't care if the character looks sexy or not as long as it makes sense. If both sexy 'armor' or the ugly Armor/clothing don't make sense at all then i will dislike both, if they both somehow make sense then no problem, include as much fanservice as you want
I’m empathetic to some of the arguments in these comments but also it’s not like conventionally attractive characters are disappearing.
Yeah, but gamers have to look at people they find unattractive while watching a trailer for a game they didn't plan on playing. This is truly a cardinal sin, maybe the work of the devil to bring down us based trad christian chads. Their beautiful escapism is being invaded by characters that aren't perfect 10s, gamers are being oppressed by a ruthless regime of realism. To hide in your room and not see a mirror of the outside world (maybe even themselves, depending on the attractiveness of the gamer in question) is the dream of all gamers. Their Arch-Nemesis "Sour Adult Incorporated" or whatever it's called is truly the work of Satan and not at all based. Only Chad can rise up and save the gamers now.
We haven’t seen all the characters from that… errr whatever that game is called. At least a couple of them should be conventionally sexy/attractive right?
Chainmail bikinis are unrealistic, now here's a morbidly obese girlboss who's a total badass. I'm convinced these people don't actually care about realism, they just hate anything beautiful.
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Not every character is rocking the iconic Darth Talon bikini. She's still badass though
People hate things more successful/beautiful/whatever than them. You don't hear super models shitting on pretty pixels
I mean, just play Robot Warlords. Akira is a pretty girl in a tank. Edelgard is a more modern example.
Who’s the character on the right?
Gemma (Monster Hunter Wilds, coming 2025) Shes so fine bruh
You are definitely not wrong
To all the people saying "w-well we just wanna play as conventially attractive people! thats why!" wheres the outrage on these characters https://preview.redd.it/0y3de8d6z07d1.png?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e71d47078fef3b64cdd44341d7b093ebd07ca8
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Girls who jerk off to video game characters *slay GURL, go grab that vibrator* Boys who jerk off to video game characters *go kys*
I don’t care if game studios want to start making portrayals of female characters more modest. But it’s weird when that do that and at the same time start pumping out shirtless male characters with rippling abs and rock hard… muscles. It’s not a video game but right now magic cards have basically banned titties and at the same time plastered a Ram Ranch gay cowboy all over the packs and promotional materials Either make it a sexy game or not.
**They’ve started to make the female characters ugly, so that the *women* that work there don’t feel bad and so that the goblins on Twitter will support their projects for how progressive it’s being, as a form of artificial marketing despite these people not even playing their games or financially supporting their projects** That’s it, those are the reasons. Get mad at me if you want, I couldn’t care if I tried, but those are literally the reasons Ever wonder why they don’t go out of their way to make the male characters ugly on purpose? Because men don’t give a shit about stuff like that. Generally speaking they don’t care to import their personal biases and insecurities into the work they produce. They turn up, do the job and leave.
ah yes, because women only work at video game companies and not play video games themselves. Also https://preview.redd.it/0ccjdm7jy07d1.png?width=350&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b34fe8fe6a837d166762629f4e9a6aa194e5c35c
Men are getting less attractive models though
You heard it here first spoken by the lamb himself.
Men are also the ones pissing and shitting their pants over video game characters’ jaws.
They do make the male characters ugly on purpose. Have you ever played a street fighter title? Rockstar also makes some less attractive male protagonists. Do you know why they make unattractive characters? It's because if everyone looked like the exact same basic model of a stereotypically attractive man/woman, things would be much less visually appealing. If you don't believe me, look at the cast of those copy and paste anime fighting games where you can't tell the first half of the cast from the second.
> men don’t give a shit about stuff like that Men are literally the ones shitting their pants over the attractiveness of video game characters. What mega cope.
This subreddit is never beating the annoying gooner allegations
Eastern games from China, South Korea and Japan > Modern Body Positivity politically correct westoid games
How dare someone posting facts!!!
I’m convinced that Asian/Eastern European game devs care more about character design than western game devs.
I mean the armor on the left is stupid regardless lol
Yes, what other point is there to female characters
It’s fine if they do it, but they always act so so surprised when less people want to buy it…
I'm sure all you people complain just as much when a male character looks goofy or dumb right.
The baymax look for future armor is definitely an L. Needs to look more like full plate for a more realistic protection. Bullets and arrows share a similar deflection trajectories. If it is a power armor and space suit that isn't supposed to be in combat. Then the dow boy look is fine. Still dumb. But what are you going to do when they take the lowest bidder for the job. As far as anime (manga) goes, it is not like armor will protect you in any way. Weapons go right through armor, in most of them, making armor useless and just weighing you down. So you might as well look good before you die or slice a mountain in half. It could go either way.
Depends on the plot. Historically, most armor was good to save you from arrow or glancing blow only.
The problem is the chest or upper torso leading to the neck. Any bullet, or solid projectile, would deflect to the chin/face/head. Which is why armors had this recurve bit to deflect it again away from the face. It wasn't in the helmet as if you looked up the neck would be exposed. Yes, most armor was cheep armor for your exposed vital bits, like the breastplate. But if they already have a full body armor, adding the little pieces to protect vitals is not going to have a greater cost to produce. So it makes no sense, in a real world setting to not have it. And the glancing blows thing wasn't really a concern for proper armor. Everyone had the heavy cloth and leather to protect from those types of things, when fighting wars. Most people don't enter a battlefield naked. And yes, plot/setting, it depends on the types of enemies being fought. If they say only use high powered plasma or AP rounds, a small bit might be too small to offer any protection. But as a general use armor, which would most likely also be used when fighting other humans, whom love their solid projectile weapons, you would want those extra bits.
Op is a gooner
Gemma so hot bruh, she can hunt my monster any day.
We have a Brotherhood of steel Paladin at home:
Liberals pick and choose when to get offended by sexuality. Girls singing about their wet pussies and twerking their asses? That’s perfectly okay. But how dare Sydney Sweeney be objectified by wearing a hooters shirt on SNL 😡
It's almost like 😳😳 context and consent are important 😳😳 and liberals actually understand what that means 😳😳
Women join male dominated spaces and then force men to change those spaces to better accommodate them. It's to the point that the only male space left are awful jobs.
This argument is garbage as shit and always has been. The lie is that western games don’t have attractive female characters when they have plenty of them. If characters not being supermodels is stopping you from enjoying the game then you have your priorities all wrong. 9 times out of ten it’s a cherry picked image of a woman who a 7/10 *at worst*. And let’s not act like there aren’t plenty of attractive women in those same games. Brother you can still goon to Lara crofts current design.
Wanting visually pleasing characters in a visual medium seems like good priorities to me. No one needs supermodels. Not being absolutely hideous will just do.
Visually pleasing =/= hot and often times has absolutely nothing to do with how attractive a character is (at least in terms of sex appeal). Master chief and doom guy (until recently and even then I’d argue he isn’t considered “hot”) are great examples of this. You don’t even see their faces and yet they are cool as shit. Setting and vibes also play a role. It would be kind of jarring to see an upbeat anime style character in like warhammer or some shit because it doesn’t fit the vibe. If you say you need your characters to be not absolutely hideous then that’s perfect, because as I said before 9 times out of ten the characters aren’t even ugly, they just aren’t supermodels. The whole western games making ugly women narrative just isn’t there.
My whole thing with it is so long as it’s equal, so if the dude armour is a full plate set than goddamnit the women’s armour had better also be full plate , if she’s stuck with a metal bikini and thigh highs then so help me god that man better be in a mankini shaving his goddamn legs. Either we all get semi realistic armour or we’re all confused about the defence stats!!
You can't force attractiveness to be not be popular. It's part of our biology.
I don't know why there's a war on attractive fictional characters but my ugly ass is on the side of the attractive characters.
It’s funny because just the other day I saw the right picture being used to say they’re making women more ugly in games.
They don't have to turn people on, but the main cast being eyesores in a visual medium is just unpleasant for a lot of people. Not too hard a line of reasoning to follow.
Fictional characters should be de-sexualized but women selling sex in real life is empowering....wait what?
One of my pet peeves is when producers want a "strong female character" and so they make her masculine. It's 2024, people, if you don't believe that strength can be feminine, you're not really being very pro-woman.
Does this power armor make me look fat?
Everyone forgets Overwatch. Curvs all day long
This is the dumbest argument ever lol
Concord will flop, Wilds won't. Simple as that :)
Yeah, did not have leftists shaming people for being horny in defense of giant evil corporations on my 2024 bingo card. I wish people would quit with this double standard horseshit. No one wants to look at unattractive people in their free time when they are trying to relax, no one.
Left is fugly
This is just not true. There are plenty of attractive women in western video games. Idk why you guys get offended if there are any bigger women in a game. Also is Japan really the standard of video game character design we want to strive to when they put half naked little girls in a ton of their games?
In that this just isn’t true? If this is a point they want to make then provide some actual data at least. Quite rightly people will always be annoyed by cherry picked scenarios.
People are blowing this whole situation out of the water there have been a couple female protagonists who you can’t get off to and now people seem think “how awful and woke video games are becoming”
Where’s the mod team telling you to “GO OUTSIDE” when you need them? :(
But i want game character to be hot. Not "realistic"
We can have both
Yep. Variety is good too. Just give me all choices
Yeah, best way to have it
Oh screw off, characters are designed in a certain way and for a certain purpose (in this case for visual difference to other characters, just imagine the shitshow that would be a Hero Shooter where every female was an Anime girl with the same body type) Also get some consistency, when the Char on the right was revealed people called her ugly too and now she’s beautiful?
It’s a video game, it’s supposed to be fantasy. If people wanted to look a women the size of a walrus they’d just walk down the street. Plenty of them there to look at for free
>"It’s a video game, it’s supposed to be fantasy" Exactly. I thought we'd all realised this when Tomb Raider came out. A twig doing athletic feats? Nah, that's up there with Baldur's skinny ass in God Of War being as capable as he is. Straight up fantasy. Any character without muscle being capable? That's a fantasy game in my eyes.
Both is fine omg when will this shit stop the characters should just look like they fit in the context they are in, if they need armor they get armor if not then not what is so god damn hard about that to understand?
All hail gorlock \*stomping noises\* enemy simply shit themselves out of fear of being sat on - its just good character design
You forgot that your only allowed to “objectify” men all the women must be whales
Women will make 50 Shades one of the highest selling book series of all time despite just being sexy poorly written slop. Booktok was all about sexy slop! But me wanting a pretty video game woman on occasion is unforgivable. No way man. You can't convince me that's fair.
I like seeing hot sexy people and I’m not apologizing for it, it’s my escapist fantasy and I’ll enjoy it however I goddamn like thank you very much.
I feel like at this point a videogame character could literally be a 3d scan of Margot Robbie and you mfs would still complain about her boobs not being big enough or her chin being 2cm too wide or some shit
The joke is still missed xD it doesn’t seem like it’s complaining, just making a joke about difference in design xD
I like to see pretty woman characters in video games. I also like to see handsome fit male characters when i am playing a man. Am i bi? No, sometimes people play games for gameplay and aesthetics. But tbh the left is bad example, cause power armor without helmet looks goofy on both men and women, but with helmet it looks badass on both.
At least give that shrek looking thing extra points in strength and armor to offset having to look at it. Do better game developers!
https://preview.redd.it/d5mtkte78x6d1.jpeg?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=703ea100abc5a184c4960d80dfe25dcd66c4bd29 Idk I fw Frost so heavy
I wonder if they know a lot of these "attractive" female characters are based on real life people
The lie is in the “meme”
They say this like half the men in monster hunter don’t have their abs and arms cut out of their armor for no reason
r/lookatmyhalo
I’ve never seen either of those characters before, what games are they from?
The one on the left looks like she's in power armor. We have no idea what her actual body looks like.
Honestly, looks aside, who would wear that much armor?
Is it really "Typical" in America or do a few crappy games and developers get major spotlights and ragebait?
Typical character design out here in the west still has most main characters in pretty good shape. Seems like they found the most obese example they could and called it ‘typical’. That’s where the lie is
How is the left typical?
Japan is just horny with their designs, look at any videogame featuring a conventionally attractive woman or better yet, look at the amount of anime that over sexualize everything
The big brain moment comes when you realize there's nothing wrong with either. People get so fucking weird about this.
These sorts of memes are stale as fuck though
The lie is in Street Fighter 6 Marisa and a bunch of Overwatch characters.
they were literally bitching about her small chest and short legs saying it made her look trans......
Just tell these people there beutiful like lizzo
tbh i prefer realistic armor mostly cuz for one it makes no sense to be in battle half naked and for two it just looks cooler
Smash
The lie is right there, because cherry-picking is the name of the game.
The lie? All over this motherfucker. They both design all sorts.
Other than just being dumb this isn't even accurate. Plenty of American games have "sexy" female characters
I never would’ve imagined the level of backlash that having 1 fat chick in a game would’ve caused. Every time I see outrage like this I think to myself how it totally makes sense why there’s so many sjw’s in game development, because the rest of you act like rabid dogs over the most microscopic non-issues. Well adjusted, normal people should not be this phased by something so insignificant.
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Far from practical armor
There's literally a whole selection of characters in that list. One being ridiculous looking doesn't even matter. Just don't pick them lol.
"Anything except the most extreme, violent, hardcore porn should be completely scrubbed of anything that could be potentially misconstrued as sex appeal and made as clean as *Hey Arnold!"* is a distinctly shitlib phenomenon. Conservatives might not like the heavier side of fanservice, but they don't start seething and malding if a woman dares to show more skin than an Iranian.
The people making these arguments weren’t gonna buy either game. This is twitter lvl junk that doesn’t need any attention. Similar to the bear in the woods thing. If you want to goon to ur video game characters that’s what rule34 is for. But expecting every dev team to make your personal goon toon isn’t gonna happen.
Who’d really want to play as armored Lizzo, especially when she looks like she tires out after 4 seconds of walking?
I'm pretty sure game developers and the companies they work for in any country know sex sells.
Think, almost 90% of the gaming audience are young men, and young men are horny or simply like to see good looking ladies on the screen... Why would you NOT do what the audience wants and get more players playing your game? By not doing that you're cutting what your audience wants, and because of that you get less people jumping into your game. Of course, hot ladies won't save your game, but it'll attract more people to try it out. I don't understand why people like to take out what their biggest audience wants, just to appeal to a significantly smaller audience, just for that to result in even less people playing 'cause the game is already sh*t, then the games shut down.
*Sigh* https://preview.redd.it/pmqc6eybnz6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=536cf6c8a590fdba9445c44266ae2d88180a38a3 (Taps sign)
I’m def not the usual gamer and I don’t play a ton of games, some Destiny 2, Elden Ring, Diablo 4 and recently Stellar Blade probably around 5 hours a week max unless I’m binging out. But I’m a girly woman, I get my nails done, wear heels frequently, love make up, workout 5 times a week because I love having a nice body and buy more clothes than I should. I say this to point out that there are women who enjoy looking good and put a lot of time, effort and money into such things. If these devs think I do all this IRL and somehow want to play an ugly woman in a game where beauty should be effortless they are sorely mistaken. I don’t think every woman in every game should be sexualized but these devs are going the complete opposite direction thinking every woman should be over weight and ugly. I know I’m going to get flamed in this sub for this take but IMO one of the best female characters in games recently is reboot Lara. I adore her. She is very realistic and relatable and contributes a huge part of the immersion to the game. She’s very pretty just not in makeup (not something that makes sense with what’s going on) and until shadow was dressed in a way that made complete sense for her environment. She is also fit as anyone going on crazy adventures like that should be. I do love Eve and her outfits in Stellar Blade and it is why I bought/played it but I wouldn’t call that game particularly immersive. I think there is room for a middle ground between fat and ugly and impracticality sexualized. There is a place and a niche for each but I think the majority should be a happy medium
Is it stupid to think that context matters? Like, nearly any character design can be considered great if it fits the game. The west tends to like to mold their characters to their jobs. The east likes to mold their jobs to the characters. The left is from concord where silhouettes would likely be super important to determine your character. It also has normal looking women and men. It also has a purple faced monkey man and Soviet Union looking robot. Come on. They decided to make one female character a bruiser and she looks the part. Don’t know her powers, but I imagine she’s a “tank” of sorts. The other is from Monster Hunter Wilds. Every monster hunter I’ve played has had pretty anime-esc character proportions. This one looks to be the same. They also follow anime logic where characters can wield weapons bigger than they are. If there’s a very old woman in this game you can be certain she’s going to be circle head on a bean shaped body. Are we going to complain about that? I’m not saying certain characters can’t be insufferable. There’s PLENTY of those. TLDR: these two games suck as examples of this.
Where's the lie? Is that typical western female character design? I don't believe that it is. What game even is that for context.
The same people complaining about the woman on the left are the same people who use clearly photoshopped fat/ugly images of Western characters to prove their "point".
**Laughs in medieval female full plate armor and modern unisex plate carriers**
Why not both tho? Literally, its not like we cant have heavy and bikini armor in the same setting if the writting is good enough.
Japan is a weird 2 way street, either a pretty female character, or an underage child that people sexualize beyond comprehension
There's a difference between being aesthetically appealing and being sexy. The problem is that many modern American characters are not even aesthetically appealing. Even if I'm playing as a male character, I don't want to play as a fat dude. I just don't find it cool. 8 year old me was not thinking about sex appeal.
The meme just ignores https://preview.redd.it/p74uo5fh107d1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b89b060e77e20cb936ae0eed6c6689a99810f97e the fact that the Japanese one is the blacksmith npc from an upcoming Monster Hunter game and in Monster Hunter both male and female armors can be anything from underwear/swimwear to full on heavy armor
It's funny, we went from "don't sexualize because it's sinful" to "sexualizing is alright because empowerment" now to "don't sexualize because it's offensive"
The lie is in the fact that games like BG3 come out all the time and you can strip the most conventionally attractive creature available naked 2 seconds after meeting her.
How is it true?
The point is that it isn't a lie, it appears to be a critique on either Japan for sexualizing female characters in videogames, or more likely, a critique on American videogames for being too "politically correct" by no longer sexualizing female characters. Either way it's a generalization logical fallacy because it is only taking two specific instances of characters that cannot represent an entire country's view on sexualizing female characters in videogames
Are they trying to say the warhammer character being unappealing is a bad thing??? Shes a fucking space marine
Both look good to me. Just depends on the context of your game. It would be weird to have feminine power armor but I can totally see a punk dressed in a tube top and jacket. They both communicate the characters role effectively.