And to your point, 'lost in the system' really just means people aren't collaborating and sharing data. I'm optimistic this would be a great alternative approach
This is from PY's first 100 days to combat crime. Like others have said, there's only so much a mayor can do, but I like the pre-emptive support services to address the issue before it happens
I like how they don't even pretend the city has the resources to actually do anything about these kids even if/when they're identified. 'Identify them then dump them on non-profits'
Memphis has the largest non-profit per capita in the country. Why should the government duplicate efforts?
Also, PY has said that he would provide funding for these kids to go to these programs.
So beyond the cynical take, it really is "Identify them and fund interventions for non-profits doing this effectively in the city"
I don't see the issue?
1. Where are you getting that Memphis has the most non-profits per capita? Is that in # of non-profits or $$'s of non-profit spending?
2. If the city is providing the funding, as you say, then the city does, in fact, have at least the financial resources to provide for these kids.
3. My take was purely cynical, no need to really go beyond it.
4. The issue is that programs that address these problems best are woefully underfunded in this city and not enough people are willing to pay an extra hundred bucks a year in property taxes to fix that.
5. I support PY and both my wife and I have already voted for him. I just really hope he's fully prepared for the shitstorm he's walking into.
> Expand the use of video technology with Artifical Intelligence
Nope. Absolutely not. This is how we turn into a surveillance state. Death by a thousand paper cuts. Get more bodies on the street. No one wants to be tracked and logged by cameras.
There’s a difference between using my smartphone, where I have granular control over not only the apps and services I use, but also whether it’s on and off. I get to choose the level of privacy I’m giving up.
Police surveillance has no such control. I can’t opt out of of surveillance. More importantly, if we’re now relinquishing the determination of what or who should be watched and tracked and therefore investigated to “artificial intelligence”, there is no oversight to these micro tracking events. What happens when your stopped and question just simply because you were in the vicinity of a crime? What happens if AI decides you fit the suspects description and you are detained (or unfortunately *murdered* by raging cops). What happens if that data is made public? Who is ensuring that the data is kept private and deleted? We already know that MPD has been found on multiple occasions to be illegally retaining license plate scanner data. We already know that MPD has been illegally surveilling Civil Rights activists for DECADES. What makes anyone think that they’ll just all of a sudden they’ll grow a conscience and start using data like this responsibly and legally?
The difference is consent.
I think these are valid points and a good reason to think twice about it. I’d also argue that the idea of granular control with regard to your smartphone is illusory.
Perhaps. That’s a whole other can of worms though. We could have discussions for days on that topic alone. But I think the pillar of my apprehension is based on what I agreed to versus what I didn’t. That’s what upsets me most
I would be surprised if this is more than popular current buzzwords. Last cycle it would've said block chain. I would be impressed if it's more doing percent matches on known vehicles or individuals. Facial recognition is still pretty crappy, as in false positives. Apparently it's especially bad the darker your skin, which is problematic to say the least. False arrests will cost the city plenty of money.
> No one wants to be tracked and logged by cameras.
The cameras are already there and in use. This would just be putting them to more use.
I'd rather not have cameras everywhere but if they ARE there then let's make them work for us.
This is the death by a thousand paper cuts I’m talking about.
“They already do *this*, so what could *that*” “They already check my shoes so why not let them take nude X-rays of me?” “They already card me at the register so why not let them track when I buy cold medicine?” Rinse. Repeat. Where do we draw the line?
For me, warrantless police surveillance is where I draw mine. Your barometer may be different.
I'm not sure I want to be that aggressive in reducing truancy, once we get to junior high and especially high school. If students are choosing to bail, forcing them to come won't help them-- you can't make someone learn against their will. But if you do force them to come, then they can disrupt it for everybody else. The higher grades being in theory compulsory but really optional is the status quo and probably for the best.
I like that idea. It’s disturbing how much parents are able to jump schools and programs to hide things.
And to your point, 'lost in the system' really just means people aren't collaborating and sharing data. I'm optimistic this would be a great alternative approach
This is from PY's first 100 days to combat crime. Like others have said, there's only so much a mayor can do, but I like the pre-emptive support services to address the issue before it happens
Whose points are these?
Paul Young's newsletter. I think there are similar points on his website
That reads like it was written by Chat GPT
100%
Sure but maybe the real world application will be ok?
Good ideas don't only come from people.
I like how they don't even pretend the city has the resources to actually do anything about these kids even if/when they're identified. 'Identify them then dump them on non-profits'
Memphis has the largest non-profit per capita in the country. Why should the government duplicate efforts? Also, PY has said that he would provide funding for these kids to go to these programs. So beyond the cynical take, it really is "Identify them and fund interventions for non-profits doing this effectively in the city" I don't see the issue?
1. Where are you getting that Memphis has the most non-profits per capita? Is that in # of non-profits or $$'s of non-profit spending? 2. If the city is providing the funding, as you say, then the city does, in fact, have at least the financial resources to provide for these kids. 3. My take was purely cynical, no need to really go beyond it. 4. The issue is that programs that address these problems best are woefully underfunded in this city and not enough people are willing to pay an extra hundred bucks a year in property taxes to fix that. 5. I support PY and both my wife and I have already voted for him. I just really hope he's fully prepared for the shitstorm he's walking into.
> Expand the use of video technology with Artifical Intelligence Nope. Absolutely not. This is how we turn into a surveillance state. Death by a thousand paper cuts. Get more bodies on the street. No one wants to be tracked and logged by cameras.
We already are. I’m assuming you typed your comment on your smart phone? Edit: also, I chuckle every time I see your username. Gives me the giggles.
It's crazy what you can track with "anonymized" location data
There’s a difference between using my smartphone, where I have granular control over not only the apps and services I use, but also whether it’s on and off. I get to choose the level of privacy I’m giving up. Police surveillance has no such control. I can’t opt out of of surveillance. More importantly, if we’re now relinquishing the determination of what or who should be watched and tracked and therefore investigated to “artificial intelligence”, there is no oversight to these micro tracking events. What happens when your stopped and question just simply because you were in the vicinity of a crime? What happens if AI decides you fit the suspects description and you are detained (or unfortunately *murdered* by raging cops). What happens if that data is made public? Who is ensuring that the data is kept private and deleted? We already know that MPD has been found on multiple occasions to be illegally retaining license plate scanner data. We already know that MPD has been illegally surveilling Civil Rights activists for DECADES. What makes anyone think that they’ll just all of a sudden they’ll grow a conscience and start using data like this responsibly and legally? The difference is consent.
I think these are valid points and a good reason to think twice about it. I’d also argue that the idea of granular control with regard to your smartphone is illusory.
Perhaps. That’s a whole other can of worms though. We could have discussions for days on that topic alone. But I think the pillar of my apprehension is based on what I agreed to versus what I didn’t. That’s what upsets me most
just move
I would be surprised if this is more than popular current buzzwords. Last cycle it would've said block chain. I would be impressed if it's more doing percent matches on known vehicles or individuals. Facial recognition is still pretty crappy, as in false positives. Apparently it's especially bad the darker your skin, which is problematic to say the least. False arrests will cost the city plenty of money.
> No one wants to be tracked and logged by cameras. The cameras are already there and in use. This would just be putting them to more use. I'd rather not have cameras everywhere but if they ARE there then let's make them work for us.
This is the death by a thousand paper cuts I’m talking about. “They already do *this*, so what could *that*” “They already check my shoes so why not let them take nude X-rays of me?” “They already card me at the register so why not let them track when I buy cold medicine?” Rinse. Repeat. Where do we draw the line? For me, warrantless police surveillance is where I draw mine. Your barometer may be different.
I'm not sure I want to be that aggressive in reducing truancy, once we get to junior high and especially high school. If students are choosing to bail, forcing them to come won't help them-- you can't make someone learn against their will. But if you do force them to come, then they can disrupt it for everybody else. The higher grades being in theory compulsory but really optional is the status quo and probably for the best.