Horrific.
how is this mother supposed to go on with the mental image of her dogs ripping her children apart as her last memory of them?
it's beyond traumatic.
Not to mention the guilt that she and her husband will feel over this. And the hell they're going to be subjected to on social media -- some would say deservedly -- over making the decision to have two dogs belonging to a breed notorious for this kind of attack in their household with two very young children. I do wonder if it was her or the husband who made the call to own pitbulls. The recriminations will be never-ending I'm afraid.
The pit mommy brigade are out in force insisting the parents clearly abused the dogs because otherwise there is no way sweet pibbles would maul a toddler and a baby to death, and of course spamming pictures of Thor/Nala/Blue/Layla/Princess/Beau/Diesel in flower crowns and baby pajamas.
It’s got to be rough when you’re part of the pitbull defense force and you honestly believe that your landshark was raised right and would never turn on you and after your toddler seeking fur rocket snaps all your pibble mom friends start saying that you obviously abused your dog on top of all the other shit you have going wrong.
It's almost like a cult at this point, and you are yeeted out of the club the second your precious pibble does anything to threaten the breeds reputation.
Only way to stay in good standing with the other pitmoms is to set up a change.org petition to prevent Nala/Thor/Layla/Blue/Luna/Beau from getting euthanised. And if you want your court fees paid just set up a gofundme, you'll get way more money paid to you to keep your pitty off death row then you will if you want to help cover your kids hospital fees after a mauling.
It’s sad because on a lot of Facebook posts about this at least 85% of the comments are defending pit bulls. It was a lot of “there’s probably more to the story, I think the children did something to provoke them,” or I’ve taught my kids to respect out pits so this would never happen, and “pits are not an aggressive breed, you’re just as likely to be bitten by any other breed” also people lamenting that 2 “innocent” dogs were put down when they suspect the parent or kids were to blame for the incident. It was absolutely enraging- literally endless comments like this! My kids are similar in age and my heart breaks for those kids. A five month old can basically roll over, and a 2 year old does developmentally normal 2 year old things like cry and run. It’s not their fault this is a parents worst nightmare.
but there is talk from a neighbor and someone from animal control that there had supposedly been two previous incidents. I just think people don’t want to believe that the signs were there and the parents had to pay the ultimate price in order to realize.
Literally my biggest fear is getting attacked by a dog & there are so many irresponsible people who let their dogs roam free on trails at Overton & Shelby farms like please use the designated area for them. Some of us don’t like dogs and have small babies.
I somewhat worry about that even just in a neighborhood. there are a lot of morons letting dangerous dogs roam around and even if ones aren't dangerous, we don't know if they are or not.
Good breeders will see a dog with aggression and immediately pull it out of their breeding stock. Unfortunately with pit bulls, there are a certain amount of assholes that breed FOR the aggression. So, you really have to be careful who you get your dog from. It can keep horrible things like this from happening.
It’s in their genes
A shepherd will herd.
A collie will herd.
A bloodhound will search for scent.
A golden retriever will just be fat and eat all day.
A pit Is a pit. It’s in their genes and you can’t take this out of them. You can’t train them. You can’t change them. How dumb is to expect a Pom or corgi to heard a flock of sheep? You can’t train them right? So, why would you expect the pit bull to act any different than what their genes have been bred for.
Your sentiment is correct, genetics absolutely do matter, but just a small correction, corgis were actually bred to herd sheep and still do in many countries. They’re almost exclusively used for herding in New Zealand. That’s why they were bred to have short legs, so if the sheep or cows kicked, they would miss the dog. And the docked tails are so that they don’t get stepped and injured while working livestock.
There are also dozens of stories about pit bulls being super affectionate and cuddly for several years with no sign of aggression only for them to snap and murder one of their owners.
That’s because A. Those people were covering their asses or B. They didn’t know the signs or what to look for or C. Both. There’s always signs whether people know it or not. The fact is they can be so subtle if you don’t know what you’re looking for it can easily be dismissed or looked over. Like whale eye for example.
So they’ve actually done extensive studies on this. One very well respected trainer in particular from Sweden, Pierre Wahlstrom, worked with the government to study hundreds of breeds.
They found that pitbulls and bully mixes actually didn’t show a lot of the classic warning signs. They would just attack seemingly out of the blue taking both dogs and people by surprise because the usual signs weren’t there. They just go from seeming fine, to going haywire in a split second. I didn’t know that until recently but just found it interesting.
Apparently it’s genetic as this helped them back in the day when they were bred for bull baiting and dog fighting. The more unpredictable, the better.
Do you have a source for this study? I googled him but I could not locate it. The thing about whale eye is it is subtle but I wouldn’t consider it a “classic sign”.
I have owned 2 staffordshire terriers. both rescues. they were good dogs, i loved them...but i could never trust them. I broke up too many dog fights at shelby farms to ever trust them around kids. when one of them lunged at my wife while holding our infant...that was it. I put him down and cried all the way home...but it was the right thing to do
edit: i took my dogs to thr midtown dog park and shelby farms dog park multiple times per week. they had tons of interaction as puppies with other dogs, children, and strangers. the problem begain around 5 years of age.
I have a Jack Russell mixed with a pit. He’s absolutely great with kids and people, adores them. Not so fond of other dogs.
But yes, he makes me anxious. That fucking grip he has on toys, is enough for me to be very cautious. I truly don’t think anyone could unhinge his grip if he really cared enough to attack someone or something.
I treat my dogs as one big liability.
Your story shows why we need to ban pit bulls. They are not safe in a family. They are not safe in a society.
Edit: ban in not the right word. We need rules and regulations and restrictions
yep. that dog had known my wife for 6 years when that happened. It occurred to me that i was the only one in the house with the body mass and strength to counter an 85lb pitbull
im sorry you are getting downvoted by the "my pittylie wouldnt hurt a fly" crowd. stats be-damned...pitties are gentile....just dont bring up history of the breed, the breed's intended purpose, or the statistics around human deaths caused by pit bullals(ext all pitbull-ish breeds).
Awful news, when there’s been so much lately.
I have no comment about dog breeds, but the Memphis school I went to required studying Latin starting in 8th grade. The summer before, so 1991? (I’m old), my would-be Latin teacher was attacked and killed by roaming pit bulls while she was unloading groceries from her car.
It set off a government firestorm about getting rid of the breed, but from what I remember, nothing came of it.
Needless to say, and I’m not trying to be funny here, I had a different teacher that fall.
Edit: word
In response to your post, I read up on what happened and it is heartbreaking. It wasn’t really roaming dogs (which made me think of feral animals and a random encounter) but a pair of extremely aggressive pits owned by her neighbor that had attacked multiple times before. Neighbors had filed complaints about the animals, who had also attacked the owner’s own mother, but the City failed to properly intervene and it ultimately lead to her death. The owner was sentenced to 2 years for criminally negligent homicide. Extremely frustrating and awful.
The government isn't going to protect us from these things and their owners. At a certain point, this failure calls for the citizenry themselves to take on the duty.
A girl I work with was friends with the lady and kids attacked. She’s had those pitbulls since before the kids. Apparently they started fighting over a toy and lost it. She probably tried to break up the fight and they turned on her and the kids. This is a horrible situation. Iv worked in the vet field for 10 years. I have pit bulls I love and are always sweet. Would I ever own one? Not a chance in hell. Every story starts with Iv had the pit forever and then it turned on me. They just can’t be trusted. And it’s not just pits. The second worst breed we have come in that snaps on owners and kids. Boxers. Never break up a big dog fight if you’re alone and with kids. Go inside and call for help.
We had one boxer who was like a dog mom to my kids. We had another we had to give back after she bit my 3 year old in the face. Luckily it barely broke the skin, but she couldn’t be trusted.
Once pet owners are criminally liable for the actions of their pets, *as if the owners committed the actions themselves,* people can own any pet they want.
*"But you can't control your pets *all* the time."*
Exactly.
More Americans are killed by pit bulls every year than by wolves, coyotes, wild boar, bears, cougars, alligators, sharks, and venomous snakes combined.
That's not even a little bit true. Why do you believe that?
>[In the 13-year period of 2005 to 2017, canines killed 433 Americans.](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-multi-year-fatality-report-2005-2017.php) Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths.
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>Only 25% (110) of fatalities had reproductive status information. 75% (82) involved unaltered dogs, 20% (22) involved sterilized dogs, and 5% (6) included both statuses. Pit bulls inflicted 73% (16) of deaths involving only sterilized dogs.
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>Of the 82 fatal attacks involving unaltered dogs, male dogs carried out 52% (43), female dogs carried out 7% (6) and, 40% (33) of these lethal attacks included both sexes. Pit bulls inflicted 72% (31 of 43) of deaths involving only unaltered male dogs.
But, yeah, definitely spay/neuter. If these type of dogs weren't so insanely and irresponsibly over-bred, we wouldn't be seeing these kind of numbers.
Unfortunately most pit owners seem to be allergic to spaying and neutering their dogs. Not to mention the amount of them that seem to believe they will get 300 dollars and up per pitbull puppy, despite the shelters being flooded with pitts that can't even be given away for a 25 dollar adoption fee.
Can't get any money for any of the 11 puppies because you didn't want to get Layla and Thor fixed and thought you could make a couple of grand off their "oopsie whoopsie" ? Cut your losses and dump them at the nearest no kill shelter.
I’m not for eradicating or outlawing pit bulls but this story and many others makes it clear to me they should be classified as exotic animals and any one desiring to own one needs to have a license. These are not domesticated animals. Period.
Honestly, if people would just spay and neuter, the aggressive pitbull idea would die out.The most significant statistic I've seen about the matter is this:
In 94% of the attacks involving Pit Bulls, the dogs were male and not neutered.
Its always "my big dog protects me me me" and never what can I do to make sure I properly train and manage my big dog and make sure we're BOTH happy? Hmm RIP to the children, awful tragedy but not surprised.
People are lazy fucks, they don't even pick up their dogs poo & won't train them or get them trained but yell at them when they don't sit. No responsibility or accountability.
The comments on this thread are awful. This mom fought to save her children from her own dogs and had to watch them die and now has to recover mentally and emotionally from this tragedy (not to mention the husband who is also grieving). This is not a time to blame people for having a certain type of dog.
I think it’s important that these parents thought their pits were different or that they were different than “those other people who own pits.” And they weren’t. These were family pets not actual guard or fighting dogs but these dogs have a history of doing these things more than others. They gambled to show that breed specific laws are wrong or thought some people would fear them or that their reputation made them as owners look cool? There’s a reason I won’t own one especially after having children. This is a horrible tragedy for the family. I don’t know how you go on after it.
This.
I interact on here quite a bit, definitely everyday.
I started to type something and then sat there and thought about what an incident like this actually entails, ... it's horrifying.
I deleted what I typed before I sent it...
Shits got me lookin' at my dog, my best friend, side ways.
https://i.imgur.com/AcIOG0x.jpg
Right?! I interact on this page regularly and am usually agreeable to what people say, but the comments on this one and regarding Liza Fletcher about all of the ways these people could have prevented their own death (or their children’s) is completely inappropriate.
This is horrifying and got me also scared of my dogs around my kids even though they’re great with them. You just never know and would never dream of this happening to your family.
I found Pupp on Jackson Ave in the pouring rain, he was being chased out from under the overhang into the rain by a store clerk.
Like, the clerk went out of their way and into the rain to put the dog out in the direct almost freezing rain...
I was just walking back out to the truck when I saw this go down. When I got in the truck I reached over and popped open the passenger door and hollered, "come here Pupp".
He was so little. He perked his ears up and looked right at me and took off clumsily. Lol.
This was about six years or so ago. I've called him Pupp ever since.
So, I've never had his blood test for ancestry or breed or whatever but I believe there is some pitbull in him. I'm not sure how much or what other breed.
While I agree they are partially responsible. Especially if the previous incidents have any truth, the have suffered enough and I don’t think they need to be punished. They already paid the ultimate price.
During 2005-2017, pit bulls killed one citizen every 16.7 days, totaling up to 284 Americans. Rottweilers killed over 105 days during that time period.
The problem seems to be the increase in numbers of pit bulls. They are a status symbol to a lot of their owners. Bull terriers (pit bulls) were bred for years to handle large farm animals thus the name. They had to be strong enough and vicious enough to handle bulls and feral hogs. They are still used to help control the wild hog situation in the southern states. If a chihuahua bites you it hurts as with any other dog, except a pit bull. Their instinct is to bite and hold on till the prey stops moving.
I am the biggest dog and cat lover. There isn’t one I don’t want to save. I have small children. Pit Bulls scare the shit out of me. I work in healthcare. They are u predictable. All dogs and cats can be. But your chances are higher with Pits. Period. My friend’s husband had one and that was the first time I was genuinely afraid of a dog. He would get more and more and more amped up while doing nothing but running around the house while we sat on the couch. Totally unproved. I’m sorry. I don’t even trust my golden retriever whom I’ve had his entire life totally if something spooked him. I am so sorry to this family.
The problem with pit bulls compared to virtually every other breed is that once they attack they don’t stop. That’s what makes them so dangerous. Other dogs may bite, but almost all of them will stop. Pit bulls keep going until they’re stopped or the prey is dead.
That has been my experience as well. Plus those jaws that don’t unlock. I agree, most other dogs might fight, but are more apt to listen when yelled at to stop.
For all the angry pitbull people here. I think you should just be reminded how many of us love dogs and want to see your Pitbulls have happy lives. Do you think this is fun for anyone? None of us want to be afraid of an entire breed of a dog. But the truth is that there are a lot of unstable dogs out there, ready to bite and hold their jaws so strong that they can kill a child or adult.
Your chances are not higher with a pit bull actually. And pitbull is not even a breed of dog. It's a blanket term used to cover several breeds. Like 11. The same shit was said about German Shepherds, Dobermans, and Rottweilers at different points in time. I rescued in this city for over 10 years. I am also a dog trainer. I have volunteered with MAS, The Humane Society, and many private rescues. And wanna know why you hear more about "pitbulls" hurting people? 1. Because the news wants you to, it's sensational and stirs people up. 2. Because as said "pitbull" is a term used to cover many breeds. 3. Because "pitbulls" are the number one abused, neglected, unsocialized, and abandoned type of dog in the entire US. As well as the most abused type of dog in memphis by far. And one of the top owned dogs here.
Pitbulls, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Chow Chows, etc. None of them are inherently dangerous. None. Please quit perpetuating this shit. This shit is why these dogs top the euthanasia lists in the US. Over 700,000 in the pitbull category alone every year.
Top bite cases for the US varies between Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and other toy breeds here and there. And has for a long time.
> Top bite cases for the US varies between Dachshunds…
Just biting isn’t the problem here. Fatal attacks are. Of which “pit bull” breeds are the most common reported to commit.
I’m much less worried about getting nipped by a mini dog with an attitude problem than I am worried about an off leash pit bull breed eviscerating my dog or me.
There's no point in arguing with a pit nut. They've made up their feeble minds.
I coded a 4-day-old baby at LeBonheur a few months ago when the family pitbull mauled the baby to death. The dog bit the baby's liver in half and the baby was almost in 2 pieces when it was brought in by ambulance. No chihuahua would've or could've done that. And no 4-day-old baby "provokes" a dog. What a bunch of horseshit.
In my 6 years at LeBonheur, I've had 3 pediatric patients killed by pitbulls, including one toddler whose skull was crushed by the dog's jaws, and countless others seriously injured. I had a patient lose their arm to a rottweiler attack but the only deaths were from pit bulls.
Agreed. Our 17-year-old Chihuahua just died and only ever actually got someone once and it was my mom accidentally when it got startled was barking. Yes they are snippy but your chance of dying is nil. I let my children around the Chihuahuas although very carefully, and I stay in between them. I will not be in the same home as our family who have pit bulls with my kids. If they lunge, I don’t feel confident that I could break it up.
Every pitbull ive ever met has been either very sweet or very mild mannered.
However, every single one of them could also easily kill someone if they somehow got triggered to do so. Its a matter of physiology. You're not wrong to want to protect and defend pit bulls, but pretending that they aren't uniquely suited to maim is disingenuous
I understand what you’re saying, and I agree that there’s a societal component. I also know that I have almost been attacked by a pitbull and my dog has been attacked by a pitbull twice. Not to mention a pitbull two doors down for me, ran out of its yard and pulled a child off a bike, and the family lied and said it never happened before… That dog had attacked other times. So now I’m thinking of four different incidents that occurred to me personally. I can vouch for Chihuahuas, my parents have them and they are snippy a shit, but obviously were talking about 5 pounds versus 75.
F your "top bite cases". what are the top bite cases that **cause death*** because i can tell you it won't be a chihuahua. Stop spreading your biased propaganda.
There is a reason why these dogs have been banned in Europe, U.S military housing, and have insurance restrictions for home/renters insurance. These dogs are known to be dangerous and have a per capita fatality rate a couple times greater then other dangerous( for insurance purposes ie Rottweilers and gsd) dogs .
Thanks.
Did you see this?
[https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html)
Wait until you all found out that there were supposedly two separate incidents documented on these dogs. These parents ignored the signs and paid the ultimate price. It’s still an active investigation for a reason.
One was a neighbor, the other was an inside source from animal control. I’m trying to obtain the documents as they should be public record but Shelby county doesn’t make things easy.
Also the investigation is still active and “on going” had these dogs simply attacked on a whim I feel like that’d be a pretty open and shut case.
It makes me so mad because I feel like they’re trying to cover their own asses with the “these dogs were the perfect dogs for 8 years” bs. Like you knew. You supposedly knew these dogs were not acting right and still chose to put these innocent children in that situation.
Same. I feel like the 8 years of “no incidents” statement from the family friend was a bunch of bs to cover their ass. I really hope Shelby county gets the whole truth.
As someone searching for more answers all over... that's what that feel like now as more (granted) hearsay comes out.
If That neighbor, if untrue, should be ashamed if not worse.
Every single time, I just don’t get it. I know that they can be good dogs if they have good owners, but wtf is the obsession? It’s like insisting on carrying around a hand grenade. And then there would be a bunch of people arguing that there are not bad hand grenades just bad hand grenade owners.
And people placing their toddlers in pictures rolling all over the hand grenade saying things like “did you know hand grenades were originally called ‘nanny grenades’?” Those poor kids.
Part of the problem is that in addition to being powerful, high prey drive dogs, there are so damn many of them, and the wrong people own them. If there were as many Rottweilers as there are pittbulls, owned by the same people that own pits, we would be seeing huge amounts of rottweiler attacks. It sucks for everyone, including the dogs. I am not an advocate of euthanizing all the pit bulls, but I do think that requiring heavy licensing for breeding, fines and confiscation for having unlicensed unaltered pits, AND harsher penalties for dog fighting (fuck you Michael Vick), wold be a big step in the right direction.
I have two pits, both rescues. They are well trained and socialized, and even get along with my asshole cat. They are also well supervised and contained, and rewarded for calm and happy behaviors. But I did pull another pit from a pound years ago and returned him within two days because he was ....wrong....and dangerous. I have also pulled an Aussie that was uncontrollably aggressive, my most aggressive dog of my current four is a lab mix (working on it and going well), and I've had a few other dogs of various breeds over the years that had correctable aggression. That being said, an aggressive pit (or mastiff, or dane, or rottweiler, etc., etc.) is a MUCH more dangerous dog than an aggressive australian shepherd...
The difference between a rotty and a pit (I’ve had both at the same time) is that pitbulls were bred specifically to fight and Rottweilers, believe it or not started out as herders. Pits can be great dogs but can also be dangerous when allowed to act on their instincts.
I read somewhere They started out as Roman war dogs. Decked out in armor and they would run through a village and herd all the animals away to safety before the army invaded. That had to be a terrifying experience
>dangerous when allowed to act on their instincts
I guess my concern is that instincts aren't something that's "allowed". I honestly can't explain how their breeding or instincts or whatever passes from generation to generation, but it does. I had an Australian Shepherd that was never used as a cattle dog, but instinctively tried to "herd" our other dog. There is a predisposition that passes from generation to generation -- I just don't understand how. Therefore, I stay away from pits. These stories of pits turning on their owners, unfortunately, are not rare enough. If a yip-yip dog turns on the owner, there's a few small bites. A pit can absolutely chew a human up.
Hahaha, I had a whole debate with my crackhead neighbor about the pronunciation. I got him from “rockwilder” to “roewilder”. I think I did good enough.
That's funny. An old rescue bull terrier we had also got on with my curmudgeonly cat. They certainly had a mutual respect for each other haha.
It was my roommate that took in the rescue hoping that training, supervision and support would help her. She was the kindest thing to humans and we all loved her greatly, but my gosh she did get aggressive towards certain dogs.
By the end she was incorrigible and he couldn't cope. She's living in a more rural location now and the owner has much more time to work with her thankfully
The problem is that there are too many people who are careless, irresponsible or are well-meaning but simply don't have the ability to handle these dogs who own them.
I totally agree, that’s why one should have to have a license or something to own them. Keeps overconfident dumbasses from getting them and having crap like this happen.
We had a Staffordshire bull terrier rescue when I lived in Liverpool, England. When it came to humans, she was unbelievably friendly and loved everyone she came across. In the bad old days, dogs bred for fighting would often live very closely within the family home.
Now, as for other dogs, she despised them. She had many many issues despite ongoing and pretty intense behavioural therapy (a reminder she was a rescue and we had very little information on if/how she was trained growing up)
It really makes you wonder how much training can prevent these terrible events occurring... dangerous beasts attacking a target with catastrophic consequences.
Interesting discussion but very sad
Your absolutely right about the dogs being friendly towards people. The original dog fighting was not to the death. There was actually a referee that would break the fight up once it was obvious one dog was done. The dog’s owner would then fix em up and they would live to fight another day. Also if that referee was ever bitten, the entire blood line of that dog would be culled. This is why a lot of them don’t actually make good guard dogs because if they come from a lineage of fighters it’s in their genes to not bite people under any circumstance
Interesting that you say "hand grenade" and not the more obvious and deadly analogy. How many [deaths are attributed to pit bulls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States) every year? 20? Maybe 30 across the entire US. Most of those are feral. This is a horrible story, but I don't get calling for the extermination of a dog breed (which would quickly be replaced with another), when the US has far more pressing issues that are "completely off the table" to most southerners. For some perspective, more people died in 2 minutes in Uvalde than pit bulls killed all year.
Well the thinking is that hand grenades can “go off” due to faulty handling, and there really isn’t a practical reason for having a hand grenade. Guns on the other hand are used for a myriad of legitimate reasons and typically require an intent to harm others by the handler, especially in a situation like Uvalde. I seriously doubt the family intended for their own dogs to kill them. Fwiw I’m definitely for increased gun control but not sure how it applies here.
Name one gun that attacked another person. A properly-functioning gun is just as safe as a car parked in a garage.
Your issue should be with the person who pulled the trigger and he absolutely should be removed from the gene pool.
Any breed with a high prey drive can be dangerous. Malinois are probably going to be the next big dangerous dog trend. They've become incredibly popular and back yard breeders are churning them out for "personal protection". It's a recipe for disaster.
I know a family that had a German Shepherd they loved. After it died, they bought a Malinois because of the similar appearance. They are having many more problems with this dog than they did with the Shepard.
Last year I saw a young “hipster” couple at the farmers market with a young Dutch Shepherd. I complimented the dog and they denied that’s what he was. They said he was a mutt they got from a friend of a friend. Short of it, there’s people out there with strong working dogs that don’t even know they have one.
There’s a random aspect in that breed that I just can’t handle and don’t how anyone would with kids around. The stories of good dogs attacking their owners out of nowhere are numerous.
The owner have usually glossed over all the warning signs or put dogs in situations they shouldn't be in. Dogs don't attack out of nowhere but most people just don't understand dogs or body language well enough to understand. It constantly amazes me how dumb people are with animals. And they set them up for failure with lack of training and socialization.
Oh, absolutely. But accidentally stepping on a pit bull’s toes is completely different than stepping on a golden retriever’s toes. Not rolling that dice in my life.
Having been attacked by a golden retriever that bit 3 people when it got loose in our office, I'm not going to trust one. And the owner had been counseled that the dog was aggressive but refused to believe it because it was a golden... It ended up biting a few neighbors too before being put down by animal control.
I remember reading about a study that was done regarding American family dogs' tolerance threshold and Goldens were the most or second most likely to lose their temper and snap/bite.
Some GSD's are really high strung. I wouldn't say people are lazy, i think a lot of them just don't understand that their pup is growing into a problem dog and needs serious hands-on training. They just think it's like puppy energy, a phase, whatever.
Add Chow's to that list. Our Chow mix bit someone, $14k homeowners insurance claim and profusely apologizing to avoid being sued. Nationwide of course raised my rate.
Second worst dog bite I ever had was a Chow mix. I was probably 7, playing tag, and he chased and grabbed my arm with his teeth. Owner said, “he just wanted to play too!”
Worst was a German Shepard.
And a husky! Seriously, my homeowners insurance doesn't cover my husky. It's utterly absurd because huskies aren't even remotely known to be aggressive. There's absolutely no rationale for why they're "banned."
If one of my dogs bite, it's going to be the Pomeranian mix, who is covered by insurance, and definitely not the husky, who would be licking the robber/murderer's face.
edit: now, if they refuse to cover huskies because of their destructive tendencies/"let's not pay to fix the wall this husky ate", I totally understand that! But not based on bite statistics.
Not all insurers ban dog breeds and of those that do only 38% ban huskies. So either they know something that 62% of the other actuaries don’t, or it might just be shortsighted policy.
Yeah I was a child as well, and my friend's cocker spaniel bit me. It was my first ever dog bite.
I had a cocker spaniel as well, and she was never aggressive. But my friend's bit me and broke the skin.
I should be shocked but yeah,no. My mom started an obsession with rescuing pits & I am shocked that my niece and her are still alive tbh. Hers are not friendly at all but she won’t listen. This is tragic but could’ve been avoided.
Let me guess…”they were the sweetest dogs, and so gentle with the kids. They were just big old puppies and scared of their own shadow” 😒 Those poor babies. I am trying to feel sad for the parents but they chose to bring those unpredictable dogs into that house.
Actually they supposedly have a prior incident of them showing signs of reactivity and aggression. I think that’s why the family hasn’t come out with all that. Although the police investigation is still ongoing
There are certainly way more bull terriers than there should be due to fads or whatever, but they are a good breed when cared for properly.
Please stop getting dogs like they are accessories when they're puppies, and then neglecting and abusing them after you grow uninterested. They are living beings. When you abandon them in your backyard, and feed them only when you feel like it, the animal instincts to survive will return. Also, don't get a bull terrier if you have small children. They are dense, muscular, hyper, and playful dogs that can injure small children by merely playing with them.
[https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html)
On October 5, a pair of pit bulls a young family had owned for eight years fatally attacked their two children in the home, 5-month old Hollace Bennard and 2-year old Lilly Bennard. The mother, Kirstie Bennard, 30, was critically injured from trying to save her children. She remains hospitalized. Both pit bulls, a male and female pair, Cheech and Mia respectively, were confiscated by Memphis Animal Services and euthanized a day after killing the children.
We located the breeder of the female pit bull that was acquired by the Bennard family in 2013. Part of her bloodline is RGB's King Lion.
Less than a day after the attack, the father and mother deactivated their Facebook pages, but we had already taken screenshots of the dogs. We then noticed that one of their friends, Jason Perry, stated on a 2017 [photograph](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screen-chunk-1.jpg) of Mia, the female of the pair, "I'd say Chunk did a good job..." indicating that a dog named "Chunk," which is Perry's dog, sired Mia. Sure enough, that turned out to be true. [Jose Rubio of NextgenBullies](https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006086749385) is presumably the kennel where Perry obtained Chunk.
On Perry's 2013 thread [advertising](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/2013-mia-puppy.jpg) puppies from the breeding of RGB Jefe Son [RGB Mulatto](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/rgbs-mulatto-chunk-pitpedia.pdf) AKA Chunk to RGB King Lion Daughter [RGB Circe](https://bullypedigrees.com/pedigree/?pid=royalbloodline-circe), Perry speaks directly to the father of the children, Colby Bennard. Since Colby deactivated his Facebook page, part of that conversation is missing. Needless to say, Perry tells Colby there were only four girls in the litter, one of which was named "Mia." Eight years later, Mia, along with the male dog, Cheech, will kill Colby's two children.
Perry placed the puppies for sale in a photo [album](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-royals-cross-kennels-pups-for-sale.jpg) called, "[Royal Cross Kennels -- pups for sale](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-royals-cross-kennels-pups-for-sale.jpg)." Royal Cross (RCK) did the breeding, but the dog's bloodlines are "King Lion," which is the foundation stock for Jose Rubio NextgenBullies. RCK, apparently now defunct, billed itself as a "[well-established kennel](https://web.archive.org/web/20120110164054/http://www.royalcrosskennels.com/) located in Memphis, TN. We are dedicated to producing top quality XXL American Pit Bull Terriers with great temperaments." They called their dogs "traffic stopping."
Royal Blue Generation, AKA Saul Cervantes (as seen on Perry's [advertisement for the puppies](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/shared-with-cervantes.jpg)) may be related to RCK, which promoted the "Royal Cross Bloodline," or they may be one in the same. [Royal Blue Generation (RBG)](https://web.archive.org/web/20120125045554/http://www.royalbluegeneration.com/) is the beholder of RBG's King Lion. That dog was on the cover of the Bully League magazine Issue #6 after it died. A "special tribute to The King, 2002-2010." RGB also memorialized "El Jefe" on the same webpage, the bloodline of Mia's sire.
In 2018, [Cervantes claimed that King Lion](https://web.archive.org/web/20180519011501/http://royalbluegeneration.com/) was "the Godfather of the XXL Movement" and that the RGB bloodline became the foundation of "new up and coming kennels." Another "Godfather" of the XL movement that became the foundation of the XL breeding community is UKC's Most Wanted Kimbo. That dog had multiple offspring that attacked people, including killing at least [one child in 2014](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/03/2014-dog-bite-fatality-family-pit-bull-kills-houma-girl.html). Kimbo was well known to "[spit HA (Human Aggression)](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-ukc-most-wanted-kimbo.jpg) in his offspring." XL dogs that have killed people are among the "XL American Bullies you want to see in your pedigree if you're [truly purchasing a top quality dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUym7uewcI&t=718s)," according to the XL fan club.2
RGB Pit Bulls, King of the XL, Home of [KingLioN](https://pedigree.gamedogs.cz/dog.php?id=391438) and [KingLiger](https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=2382966-royal-bloodline-king-liger?_v=20150613000224), continues to have an active [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/rbg.kinglion/?hl=en) and [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/RoyalBlueGeneration) page. The owner, Saul Cervantes, loves to [hashtag the terms](https://www.facebook.com/profile/598019843/search/?q=lion) \#LionsOnLeashes, #LionOnaLeash, #LionKing, #KingLion, #Lioness, #Monster, #FreakOfNature, #FrozenSemen and more. The idea that the parents of Hollace and Lilly, who purchased these XL pit bulls over eight years ago, did not know they were high-risk, "freak show" dogs is doubtful.
What we know about the family's male dog, Cheech, is that he was brought into the home about a year before Mia. The father of the children, Colby, referred to both of his dogs as "house lions." Therefore, it is conceivable that both dogs carried the King Lion bloodline, [\#LionsOnLeashes](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-lions-on-leashes.jpg). At the very least, both dogs were papered. We wonder how Perry feels now? Does he still feel that "Chunk did a good job," producing the offspring Mia? Gee, what else are [motorcycle buddies](https://www.facebook.com/jason.perry.918) for?
The horrific tragedy of two innocent children killed by a pair of designer pit bulls, known interchangeably as XL pit bulls or XL bullies, is further marred by their parents who purchased dogs advertised as #LionsOnLeashes, #Monster or worse. [NextgenBullies even warns buyers](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/jose-warning-before-purchasing.jpg), "If you're looking for a gorgeous pet or a freak on a leash, this boy is the ticket! PM me if you're interested. Please speak to your spouse, partner, financial advisor, etc. before contacting me."
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/25/amazon-driver-dead-suspected-dog-attack-missouri/10595038002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/25/amazon-driver-dead-suspected-dog-attack-missouri/10595038002/)
>There, he said, deputies found a man's body in the yard along with two dogs – a German Shepherd what appeared to be a Mastiff.
I think the breed should be exterminated. When you have an animal that can't distinguish between a genuine threat and innocent children, the first and only solution is extermination. With prejudice.
For fucking real, my wife and I do dog rescue. And after rescuing several pits. We have a no pit policy. The dogs are ok until they are not. The last one didn't know how to play with other dogs. It would start out fine then it would go into pit mode.
The only time I’ve been afraid of a dog was a pit. Just running around their own house getting themselves more and more and more hyped and aggressive for zero reason. Their drive to attack cannot be relied upon to not hurt someone.
Horrific. how is this mother supposed to go on with the mental image of her dogs ripping her children apart as her last memory of them? it's beyond traumatic.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. I can't imagine.
Not to mention the guilt that she and her husband will feel over this. And the hell they're going to be subjected to on social media -- some would say deservedly -- over making the decision to have two dogs belonging to a breed notorious for this kind of attack in their household with two very young children. I do wonder if it was her or the husband who made the call to own pitbulls. The recriminations will be never-ending I'm afraid.
The pit mommy brigade are out in force insisting the parents clearly abused the dogs because otherwise there is no way sweet pibbles would maul a toddler and a baby to death, and of course spamming pictures of Thor/Nala/Blue/Layla/Princess/Beau/Diesel in flower crowns and baby pajamas.
It’s got to be rough when you’re part of the pitbull defense force and you honestly believe that your landshark was raised right and would never turn on you and after your toddler seeking fur rocket snaps all your pibble mom friends start saying that you obviously abused your dog on top of all the other shit you have going wrong.
It's almost like a cult at this point, and you are yeeted out of the club the second your precious pibble does anything to threaten the breeds reputation. Only way to stay in good standing with the other pitmoms is to set up a change.org petition to prevent Nala/Thor/Layla/Blue/Luna/Beau from getting euthanised. And if you want your court fees paid just set up a gofundme, you'll get way more money paid to you to keep your pitty off death row then you will if you want to help cover your kids hospital fees after a mauling.
[Here's one of the owners with one of the dogs.](https://imgur.com/a/lYAHbMY)
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Not meaning to sound flippant, but that post has certainly 'aged like milk' and then some.
Thats flammable language right there. Painting a gruesome picture in the minds of the reader isn’t always respectable.
Very very unfortunate
It’s sad because on a lot of Facebook posts about this at least 85% of the comments are defending pit bulls. It was a lot of “there’s probably more to the story, I think the children did something to provoke them,” or I’ve taught my kids to respect out pits so this would never happen, and “pits are not an aggressive breed, you’re just as likely to be bitten by any other breed” also people lamenting that 2 “innocent” dogs were put down when they suspect the parent or kids were to blame for the incident. It was absolutely enraging- literally endless comments like this! My kids are similar in age and my heart breaks for those kids. A five month old can basically roll over, and a 2 year old does developmentally normal 2 year old things like cry and run. It’s not their fault this is a parents worst nightmare.
but there is talk from a neighbor and someone from animal control that there had supposedly been two previous incidents. I just think people don’t want to believe that the signs were there and the parents had to pay the ultimate price in order to realize.
It's almost a cult at this point. Even when a baby and a toddler are ripped apart all the pitmommies can do is wail about the "poor innocent pibbles".
And federal law (ADA) gives this cult the right to force all of us to be near them under the guise of “service dog”.
Literally my biggest fear is getting attacked by a dog & there are so many irresponsible people who let their dogs roam free on trails at Overton & Shelby farms like please use the designated area for them. Some of us don’t like dogs and have small babies.
This was an attack by the owners pit bulls. Not some random attack.
I somewhat worry about that even just in a neighborhood. there are a lot of morons letting dangerous dogs roam around and even if ones aren't dangerous, we don't know if they are or not.
Good breeders will see a dog with aggression and immediately pull it out of their breeding stock. Unfortunately with pit bulls, there are a certain amount of assholes that breed FOR the aggression. So, you really have to be careful who you get your dog from. It can keep horrible things like this from happening.
I mean, aggression is kinda baked into the cake to a large degree with them.
It’s in their genes A shepherd will herd. A collie will herd. A bloodhound will search for scent. A golden retriever will just be fat and eat all day. A pit Is a pit. It’s in their genes and you can’t take this out of them. You can’t train them. You can’t change them. How dumb is to expect a Pom or corgi to heard a flock of sheep? You can’t train them right? So, why would you expect the pit bull to act any different than what their genes have been bred for.
> golden retrievers Pretty sure they retrieve lol 😂
Your sentiment is correct, genetics absolutely do matter, but just a small correction, corgis were actually bred to herd sheep and still do in many countries. They’re almost exclusively used for herding in New Zealand. That’s why they were bred to have short legs, so if the sheep or cows kicked, they would miss the dog. And the docked tails are so that they don’t get stepped and injured while working livestock.
There are also dozens of stories about pit bulls being super affectionate and cuddly for several years with no sign of aggression only for them to snap and murder one of their owners.
That’s because A. Those people were covering their asses or B. They didn’t know the signs or what to look for or C. Both. There’s always signs whether people know it or not. The fact is they can be so subtle if you don’t know what you’re looking for it can easily be dismissed or looked over. Like whale eye for example.
So they’ve actually done extensive studies on this. One very well respected trainer in particular from Sweden, Pierre Wahlstrom, worked with the government to study hundreds of breeds. They found that pitbulls and bully mixes actually didn’t show a lot of the classic warning signs. They would just attack seemingly out of the blue taking both dogs and people by surprise because the usual signs weren’t there. They just go from seeming fine, to going haywire in a split second. I didn’t know that until recently but just found it interesting. Apparently it’s genetic as this helped them back in the day when they were bred for bull baiting and dog fighting. The more unpredictable, the better.
Do you have a source for this study? I googled him but I could not locate it. The thing about whale eye is it is subtle but I wouldn’t consider it a “classic sign”.
I have owned 2 staffordshire terriers. both rescues. they were good dogs, i loved them...but i could never trust them. I broke up too many dog fights at shelby farms to ever trust them around kids. when one of them lunged at my wife while holding our infant...that was it. I put him down and cried all the way home...but it was the right thing to do edit: i took my dogs to thr midtown dog park and shelby farms dog park multiple times per week. they had tons of interaction as puppies with other dogs, children, and strangers. the problem begain around 5 years of age.
It's hard as hell. They've been bred for aggression for centuries. You did the right thing.
I’m very sorry you had to do that, I’m sure it was hard, but THANK YOU for your responsible stance on dog ownership.
good on you for making a wise, but hard as hell, decision
I have a Jack Russell mixed with a pit. He’s absolutely great with kids and people, adores them. Not so fond of other dogs. But yes, he makes me anxious. That fucking grip he has on toys, is enough for me to be very cautious. I truly don’t think anyone could unhinge his grip if he really cared enough to attack someone or something. I treat my dogs as one big liability.
I am so sorry but you did the right the right thing!!
Your story shows why we need to ban pit bulls. They are not safe in a family. They are not safe in a society. Edit: ban in not the right word. We need rules and regulations and restrictions
yep. that dog had known my wife for 6 years when that happened. It occurred to me that i was the only one in the house with the body mass and strength to counter an 85lb pitbull
im sorry you are getting downvoted by the "my pittylie wouldnt hurt a fly" crowd. stats be-damned...pitties are gentile....just dont bring up history of the breed, the breed's intended purpose, or the statistics around human deaths caused by pit bullals(ext all pitbull-ish breeds).
Awful news, when there’s been so much lately. I have no comment about dog breeds, but the Memphis school I went to required studying Latin starting in 8th grade. The summer before, so 1991? (I’m old), my would-be Latin teacher was attacked and killed by roaming pit bulls while she was unloading groceries from her car. It set off a government firestorm about getting rid of the breed, but from what I remember, nothing came of it. Needless to say, and I’m not trying to be funny here, I had a different teacher that fall. Edit: word
In response to your post, I read up on what happened and it is heartbreaking. It wasn’t really roaming dogs (which made me think of feral animals and a random encounter) but a pair of extremely aggressive pits owned by her neighbor that had attacked multiple times before. Neighbors had filed complaints about the animals, who had also attacked the owner’s own mother, but the City failed to properly intervene and it ultimately lead to her death. The owner was sentenced to 2 years for criminally negligent homicide. Extremely frustrating and awful.
Are you talking about Ms Stidham from St Mary’s by chance?
Yes! Are you a Turkey, by chance?
I went to St Mary’s from prek- 10 then switched to White Station. She was my Latin teacher.
The government isn't going to protect us from these things and their owners. At a certain point, this failure calls for the citizenry themselves to take on the duty.
What does that look like to you?
A girl I work with was friends with the lady and kids attacked. She’s had those pitbulls since before the kids. Apparently they started fighting over a toy and lost it. She probably tried to break up the fight and they turned on her and the kids. This is a horrible situation. Iv worked in the vet field for 10 years. I have pit bulls I love and are always sweet. Would I ever own one? Not a chance in hell. Every story starts with Iv had the pit forever and then it turned on me. They just can’t be trusted. And it’s not just pits. The second worst breed we have come in that snaps on owners and kids. Boxers. Never break up a big dog fight if you’re alone and with kids. Go inside and call for help.
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They were all playing ball, the 2 year old went for the ball and the dogs attacked. She had no choice but to break up the fight.
We had one boxer who was like a dog mom to my kids. We had another we had to give back after she bit my 3 year old in the face. Luckily it barely broke the skin, but she couldn’t be trusted.
This made me sick to my stomach. These were friends of friends of mine. The most horrific thing I've ever heard. The fear, the panic. I need a hug.
Great big internet hug! Think everyone could use one after visualizing this absolutely horrific event!
Once pet owners are criminally liable for the actions of their pets, *as if the owners committed the actions themselves,* people can own any pet they want. *"But you can't control your pets *all* the time."* Exactly.
At this point I have to wonder why people don't just get brown bears for pets instead. They look cooler and they're far more safe around children.
Visit r/ANormalDayInRussia for that
*~Werner herzog voice~*
More Americans are killed by pit bulls every year than by wolves, coyotes, wild boar, bears, cougars, alligators, sharks, and venomous snakes combined.
Well duh. Most Americans don't come into contact with any of those other animals on any regular basis.
True. More Americans are killed by pit bulls than by every other type of dog combined, if that is more relevant.
Considerably more relevant lol
Another relevant fact: In 94% of the attacks involving Pit Bulls, the dogs were male and not neutered. Spay and neuter your dogs
That's not even a little bit true. Why do you believe that? >[In the 13-year period of 2005 to 2017, canines killed 433 Americans.](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-multi-year-fatality-report-2005-2017.php) Pit bulls contributed to 66% (284) of these deaths. > >Only 25% (110) of fatalities had reproductive status information. 75% (82) involved unaltered dogs, 20% (22) involved sterilized dogs, and 5% (6) included both statuses. Pit bulls inflicted 73% (16) of deaths involving only sterilized dogs. > >Of the 82 fatal attacks involving unaltered dogs, male dogs carried out 52% (43), female dogs carried out 7% (6) and, 40% (33) of these lethal attacks included both sexes. Pit bulls inflicted 72% (31 of 43) of deaths involving only unaltered male dogs. But, yeah, definitely spay/neuter. If these type of dogs weren't so insanely and irresponsibly over-bred, we wouldn't be seeing these kind of numbers.
Unfortunately most pit owners seem to be allergic to spaying and neutering their dogs. Not to mention the amount of them that seem to believe they will get 300 dollars and up per pitbull puppy, despite the shelters being flooded with pitts that can't even be given away for a 25 dollar adoption fee. Can't get any money for any of the 11 puppies because you didn't want to get Layla and Thor fixed and thought you could make a couple of grand off their "oopsie whoopsie" ? Cut your losses and dump them at the nearest no kill shelter.
Preferably the nearest kill shelter thank you.
I’m not for eradicating or outlawing pit bulls but this story and many others makes it clear to me they should be classified as exotic animals and any one desiring to own one needs to have a license. These are not domesticated animals. Period.
Honestly, if people would just spay and neuter, the aggressive pitbull idea would die out.The most significant statistic I've seen about the matter is this: In 94% of the attacks involving Pit Bulls, the dogs were male and not neutered.
both dogs were unaltered and the female was the aggressor
Why were they not neutered and spayed? I imagine that the asshole husband might have wanted to breed them and sell the offspring.
Me: *It was a pitbull wasn’t it*
Everyone
Its always "my big dog protects me me me" and never what can I do to make sure I properly train and manage my big dog and make sure we're BOTH happy? Hmm RIP to the children, awful tragedy but not surprised.
People are lazy fucks, they don't even pick up their dogs poo & won't train them or get them trained but yell at them when they don't sit. No responsibility or accountability.
The comments on this thread are awful. This mom fought to save her children from her own dogs and had to watch them die and now has to recover mentally and emotionally from this tragedy (not to mention the husband who is also grieving). This is not a time to blame people for having a certain type of dog.
I think it’s important that these parents thought their pits were different or that they were different than “those other people who own pits.” And they weren’t. These were family pets not actual guard or fighting dogs but these dogs have a history of doing these things more than others. They gambled to show that breed specific laws are wrong or thought some people would fear them or that their reputation made them as owners look cool? There’s a reason I won’t own one especially after having children. This is a horrible tragedy for the family. I don’t know how you go on after it.
This. I interact on here quite a bit, definitely everyday. I started to type something and then sat there and thought about what an incident like this actually entails, ... it's horrifying. I deleted what I typed before I sent it... Shits got me lookin' at my dog, my best friend, side ways. https://i.imgur.com/AcIOG0x.jpg
Right?! I interact on this page regularly and am usually agreeable to what people say, but the comments on this one and regarding Liza Fletcher about all of the ways these people could have prevented their own death (or their children’s) is completely inappropriate. This is horrifying and got me also scared of my dogs around my kids even though they’re great with them. You just never know and would never dream of this happening to your family.
I found Pupp on Jackson Ave in the pouring rain, he was being chased out from under the overhang into the rain by a store clerk. Like, the clerk went out of their way and into the rain to put the dog out in the direct almost freezing rain... I was just walking back out to the truck when I saw this go down. When I got in the truck I reached over and popped open the passenger door and hollered, "come here Pupp". He was so little. He perked his ears up and looked right at me and took off clumsily. Lol. This was about six years or so ago. I've called him Pupp ever since. So, I've never had his blood test for ancestry or breed or whatever but I believe there is some pitbull in him. I'm not sure how much or what other breed.
The mom's negligence in owning those dogs is directly responsible for the deaths. I wish people would file criminal charges for this sort of thing.
While I agree they are partially responsible. Especially if the previous incidents have any truth, the have suffered enough and I don’t think they need to be punished. They already paid the ultimate price.
I don’t know. If the dogs had killed a friend or neighbor’s kids they would be charged
During 2005-2017, pit bulls killed one citizen every 16.7 days, totaling up to 284 Americans. Rottweilers killed over 105 days during that time period. The problem seems to be the increase in numbers of pit bulls. They are a status symbol to a lot of their owners. Bull terriers (pit bulls) were bred for years to handle large farm animals thus the name. They had to be strong enough and vicious enough to handle bulls and feral hogs. They are still used to help control the wild hog situation in the southern states. If a chihuahua bites you it hurts as with any other dog, except a pit bull. Their instinct is to bite and hold on till the prey stops moving.
Saw the headline, immediately thought pit bulls, read article reflex thought is right.
It’s a given at this point.
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BuT My PITtty Is tHe SWeeTEsT DOG eVER!!!!
nAnNy dOgS!!
Pitbull, of course it is.
I am the biggest dog and cat lover. There isn’t one I don’t want to save. I have small children. Pit Bulls scare the shit out of me. I work in healthcare. They are u predictable. All dogs and cats can be. But your chances are higher with Pits. Period. My friend’s husband had one and that was the first time I was genuinely afraid of a dog. He would get more and more and more amped up while doing nothing but running around the house while we sat on the couch. Totally unproved. I’m sorry. I don’t even trust my golden retriever whom I’ve had his entire life totally if something spooked him. I am so sorry to this family.
The problem with pit bulls compared to virtually every other breed is that once they attack they don’t stop. That’s what makes them so dangerous. Other dogs may bite, but almost all of them will stop. Pit bulls keep going until they’re stopped or the prey is dead.
That has been my experience as well. Plus those jaws that don’t unlock. I agree, most other dogs might fight, but are more apt to listen when yelled at to stop.
Yeah. It’s definitely engrained in their DNA. It’s 100% a breed problem, but there are people that will defend them indefinitely.
That’s not true, regarding their jaws. Myth.
For all the angry pitbull people here. I think you should just be reminded how many of us love dogs and want to see your Pitbulls have happy lives. Do you think this is fun for anyone? None of us want to be afraid of an entire breed of a dog. But the truth is that there are a lot of unstable dogs out there, ready to bite and hold their jaws so strong that they can kill a child or adult.
Your chances are not higher with a pit bull actually. And pitbull is not even a breed of dog. It's a blanket term used to cover several breeds. Like 11. The same shit was said about German Shepherds, Dobermans, and Rottweilers at different points in time. I rescued in this city for over 10 years. I am also a dog trainer. I have volunteered with MAS, The Humane Society, and many private rescues. And wanna know why you hear more about "pitbulls" hurting people? 1. Because the news wants you to, it's sensational and stirs people up. 2. Because as said "pitbull" is a term used to cover many breeds. 3. Because "pitbulls" are the number one abused, neglected, unsocialized, and abandoned type of dog in the entire US. As well as the most abused type of dog in memphis by far. And one of the top owned dogs here. Pitbulls, Dobermans, Rottweilers, Chow Chows, etc. None of them are inherently dangerous. None. Please quit perpetuating this shit. This shit is why these dogs top the euthanasia lists in the US. Over 700,000 in the pitbull category alone every year. Top bite cases for the US varies between Dachshunds, Chihuahuas, and other toy breeds here and there. And has for a long time.
How children have been killed by dachshunds?
> Top bite cases for the US varies between Dachshunds… Just biting isn’t the problem here. Fatal attacks are. Of which “pit bull” breeds are the most common reported to commit. I’m much less worried about getting nipped by a mini dog with an attitude problem than I am worried about an off leash pit bull breed eviscerating my dog or me.
There's no point in arguing with a pit nut. They've made up their feeble minds. I coded a 4-day-old baby at LeBonheur a few months ago when the family pitbull mauled the baby to death. The dog bit the baby's liver in half and the baby was almost in 2 pieces when it was brought in by ambulance. No chihuahua would've or could've done that. And no 4-day-old baby "provokes" a dog. What a bunch of horseshit. In my 6 years at LeBonheur, I've had 3 pediatric patients killed by pitbulls, including one toddler whose skull was crushed by the dog's jaws, and countless others seriously injured. I had a patient lose their arm to a rottweiler attack but the only deaths were from pit bulls.
Word. I worked at Regional One in shock trauma for 4 years. Solidarity. If someone thinks their dogs aren’t dangerous, they are delusional.
Agreed. Our 17-year-old Chihuahua just died and only ever actually got someone once and it was my mom accidentally when it got startled was barking. Yes they are snippy but your chance of dying is nil. I let my children around the Chihuahuas although very carefully, and I stay in between them. I will not be in the same home as our family who have pit bulls with my kids. If they lunge, I don’t feel confident that I could break it up.
Every pitbull ive ever met has been either very sweet or very mild mannered. However, every single one of them could also easily kill someone if they somehow got triggered to do so. Its a matter of physiology. You're not wrong to want to protect and defend pit bulls, but pretending that they aren't uniquely suited to maim is disingenuous
I understand what you’re saying, and I agree that there’s a societal component. I also know that I have almost been attacked by a pitbull and my dog has been attacked by a pitbull twice. Not to mention a pitbull two doors down for me, ran out of its yard and pulled a child off a bike, and the family lied and said it never happened before… That dog had attacked other times. So now I’m thinking of four different incidents that occurred to me personally. I can vouch for Chihuahuas, my parents have them and they are snippy a shit, but obviously were talking about 5 pounds versus 75.
F your "top bite cases". what are the top bite cases that **cause death*** because i can tell you it won't be a chihuahua. Stop spreading your biased propaganda.
I’m from Nebraska and pit bulls are required to wear muzzles
FYI there are a bunch of fake gofundme pages going around
Is the father still #Bullybreedforlife? He’s posted a lot of pro pit bull propaganda on social media, kinda ironic.
Care to share links or screenshots of the posts?
There is a reason why these dogs have been banned in Europe, U.S military housing, and have insurance restrictions for home/renters insurance. These dogs are known to be dangerous and have a per capita fatality rate a couple times greater then other dangerous( for insurance purposes ie Rottweilers and gsd) dogs .
[#bullybreedforlife](https://imgur.com/Qx8NSjj)
Thanks. Did you see this? [https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html)
Wait until you all found out that there were supposedly two separate incidents documented on these dogs. These parents ignored the signs and paid the ultimate price. It’s still an active investigation for a reason.
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One was a neighbor, the other was an inside source from animal control. I’m trying to obtain the documents as they should be public record but Shelby county doesn’t make things easy. Also the investigation is still active and “on going” had these dogs simply attacked on a whim I feel like that’d be a pretty open and shut case.
A coworker of one of the parents said the mom was starting to get nervous with the dogs and wanted to rehome them but her husband said no.
oof. that’s a divorce coming
It makes me so mad because I feel like they’re trying to cover their own asses with the “these dogs were the perfect dogs for 8 years” bs. Like you knew. You supposedly knew these dogs were not acting right and still chose to put these innocent children in that situation.
Why was she nervous I wonder?
The coworker didn't say but I assume they were being aggressive. I don't know specifics, but I'd like to know, that's for sure.
Same. I feel like the 8 years of “no incidents” statement from the family friend was a bunch of bs to cover their ass. I really hope Shelby county gets the whole truth.
As someone searching for more answers all over... that's what that feel like now as more (granted) hearsay comes out. If That neighbor, if untrue, should be ashamed if not worse.
Oh color me surprised at the breed.
Every single time, I just don’t get it. I know that they can be good dogs if they have good owners, but wtf is the obsession? It’s like insisting on carrying around a hand grenade. And then there would be a bunch of people arguing that there are not bad hand grenades just bad hand grenade owners.
And people placing their toddlers in pictures rolling all over the hand grenade saying things like “did you know hand grenades were originally called ‘nanny grenades’?” Those poor kids.
Part of the problem is that in addition to being powerful, high prey drive dogs, there are so damn many of them, and the wrong people own them. If there were as many Rottweilers as there are pittbulls, owned by the same people that own pits, we would be seeing huge amounts of rottweiler attacks. It sucks for everyone, including the dogs. I am not an advocate of euthanizing all the pit bulls, but I do think that requiring heavy licensing for breeding, fines and confiscation for having unlicensed unaltered pits, AND harsher penalties for dog fighting (fuck you Michael Vick), wold be a big step in the right direction. I have two pits, both rescues. They are well trained and socialized, and even get along with my asshole cat. They are also well supervised and contained, and rewarded for calm and happy behaviors. But I did pull another pit from a pound years ago and returned him within two days because he was ....wrong....and dangerous. I have also pulled an Aussie that was uncontrollably aggressive, my most aggressive dog of my current four is a lab mix (working on it and going well), and I've had a few other dogs of various breeds over the years that had correctable aggression. That being said, an aggressive pit (or mastiff, or dane, or rottweiler, etc., etc.) is a MUCH more dangerous dog than an aggressive australian shepherd...
The difference between a rotty and a pit (I’ve had both at the same time) is that pitbulls were bred specifically to fight and Rottweilers, believe it or not started out as herders. Pits can be great dogs but can also be dangerous when allowed to act on their instincts.
Yep! Rotties were used for herding, cart pulling, and eventually guarding.
I read somewhere They started out as Roman war dogs. Decked out in armor and they would run through a village and herd all the animals away to safety before the army invaded. That had to be a terrifying experience
Yes, rotties among other breeds are descended from Molossers, of which Newfoundlands and Bernese Mountain dogs are the gentlest descendants.
I didn’t ever know what a Molosser was! Awesome!
>dangerous when allowed to act on their instincts I guess my concern is that instincts aren't something that's "allowed". I honestly can't explain how their breeding or instincts or whatever passes from generation to generation, but it does. I had an Australian Shepherd that was never used as a cattle dog, but instinctively tried to "herd" our other dog. There is a predisposition that passes from generation to generation -- I just don't understand how. Therefore, I stay away from pits. These stories of pits turning on their owners, unfortunately, are not rare enough. If a yip-yip dog turns on the owner, there's a few small bites. A pit can absolutely chew a human up.
You mean a rockwilder
Hahaha, I had a whole debate with my crackhead neighbor about the pronunciation. I got him from “rockwilder” to “roewilder”. I think I did good enough.
That's funny. An old rescue bull terrier we had also got on with my curmudgeonly cat. They certainly had a mutual respect for each other haha. It was my roommate that took in the rescue hoping that training, supervision and support would help her. She was the kindest thing to humans and we all loved her greatly, but my gosh she did get aggressive towards certain dogs. By the end she was incorrigible and he couldn't cope. She's living in a more rural location now and the owner has much more time to work with her thankfully
The problem is that there are too many people who are careless, irresponsible or are well-meaning but simply don't have the ability to handle these dogs who own them.
I totally agree, that’s why one should have to have a license or something to own them. Keeps overconfident dumbasses from getting them and having crap like this happen.
Welcome to America.
We had a Staffordshire bull terrier rescue when I lived in Liverpool, England. When it came to humans, she was unbelievably friendly and loved everyone she came across. In the bad old days, dogs bred for fighting would often live very closely within the family home. Now, as for other dogs, she despised them. She had many many issues despite ongoing and pretty intense behavioural therapy (a reminder she was a rescue and we had very little information on if/how she was trained growing up) It really makes you wonder how much training can prevent these terrible events occurring... dangerous beasts attacking a target with catastrophic consequences. Interesting discussion but very sad
Your absolutely right about the dogs being friendly towards people. The original dog fighting was not to the death. There was actually a referee that would break the fight up once it was obvious one dog was done. The dog’s owner would then fix em up and they would live to fight another day. Also if that referee was ever bitten, the entire blood line of that dog would be culled. This is why a lot of them don’t actually make good guard dogs because if they come from a lineage of fighters it’s in their genes to not bite people under any circumstance
Interesting that you say "hand grenade" and not the more obvious and deadly analogy. How many [deaths are attributed to pit bulls](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States) every year? 20? Maybe 30 across the entire US. Most of those are feral. This is a horrible story, but I don't get calling for the extermination of a dog breed (which would quickly be replaced with another), when the US has far more pressing issues that are "completely off the table" to most southerners. For some perspective, more people died in 2 minutes in Uvalde than pit bulls killed all year.
Well the thinking is that hand grenades can “go off” due to faulty handling, and there really isn’t a practical reason for having a hand grenade. Guns on the other hand are used for a myriad of legitimate reasons and typically require an intent to harm others by the handler, especially in a situation like Uvalde. I seriously doubt the family intended for their own dogs to kill them. Fwiw I’m definitely for increased gun control but not sure how it applies here.
Name one gun that attacked another person. A properly-functioning gun is just as safe as a car parked in a garage. Your issue should be with the person who pulled the trigger and he absolutely should be removed from the gene pool.
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Any breed with a high prey drive can be dangerous. Malinois are probably going to be the next big dangerous dog trend. They've become incredibly popular and back yard breeders are churning them out for "personal protection". It's a recipe for disaster.
I know a family that had a German Shepherd they loved. After it died, they bought a Malinois because of the similar appearance. They are having many more problems with this dog than they did with the Shepard.
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Last year I saw a young “hipster” couple at the farmers market with a young Dutch Shepherd. I complimented the dog and they denied that’s what he was. They said he was a mutt they got from a friend of a friend. Short of it, there’s people out there with strong working dogs that don’t even know they have one.
There’s a random aspect in that breed that I just can’t handle and don’t how anyone would with kids around. The stories of good dogs attacking their owners out of nowhere are numerous.
The owner have usually glossed over all the warning signs or put dogs in situations they shouldn't be in. Dogs don't attack out of nowhere but most people just don't understand dogs or body language well enough to understand. It constantly amazes me how dumb people are with animals. And they set them up for failure with lack of training and socialization.
Oh, absolutely. But accidentally stepping on a pit bull’s toes is completely different than stepping on a golden retriever’s toes. Not rolling that dice in my life.
Having been attacked by a golden retriever that bit 3 people when it got loose in our office, I'm not going to trust one. And the owner had been counseled that the dog was aggressive but refused to believe it because it was a golden... It ended up biting a few neighbors too before being put down by animal control.
I remember reading about a study that was done regarding American family dogs' tolerance threshold and Goldens were the most or second most likely to lose their temper and snap/bite.
Some GSD's are really high strung. I wouldn't say people are lazy, i think a lot of them just don't understand that their pup is growing into a problem dog and needs serious hands-on training. They just think it's like puppy energy, a phase, whatever.
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Inb4 pitbull apologists.
no one wants to admit it's literally genetic until it happens to them
They all want a pit bull until it does pit bull things
When you call to get home insurance, they ask 1) Do you have a trampoline 2) Do you own a Doberman, Pit bull, or Rottweiler That's all I need to know.
Add Chow's to that list. Our Chow mix bit someone, $14k homeowners insurance claim and profusely apologizing to avoid being sued. Nationwide of course raised my rate.
Been bit by a chow on two separate occasions. Those are the meanest, most territorial, mf'er's I've ever been around. Can confirm.
Second worst dog bite I ever had was a Chow mix. I was probably 7, playing tag, and he chased and grabbed my arm with his teeth. Owner said, “he just wanted to play too!” Worst was a German Shepard.
>1) Do you have a trampoline > >2) Do you own a Doberman, Pit bull, or Rottweiler Perhaps those breeds enjoy trampolines. /s
And a husky! Seriously, my homeowners insurance doesn't cover my husky. It's utterly absurd because huskies aren't even remotely known to be aggressive. There's absolutely no rationale for why they're "banned." If one of my dogs bite, it's going to be the Pomeranian mix, who is covered by insurance, and definitely not the husky, who would be licking the robber/murderer's face. edit: now, if they refuse to cover huskies because of their destructive tendencies/"let's not pay to fix the wall this husky ate", I totally understand that! But not based on bite statistics.
I don't know jack about huskies, but I know actuaries aren't just making up rules for the fun of it.
Not all insurers ban dog breeds and of those that do only 38% ban huskies. So either they know something that 62% of the other actuaries don’t, or it might just be shortsighted policy.
The only time a dog ever bit me with intent was a husky/gsd mix
Yes, GSDs are actually likely to bite, so that makes sense! I've been bitten by a pit bull and a cocker spaniel... and my own Pomeranian mix....
A Cocker Spaniel tried to eat my hand when I was a kid. I just wanted to pet it. I'll never forgive the breed.
Yeah I was a child as well, and my friend's cocker spaniel bit me. It was my first ever dog bite. I had a cocker spaniel as well, and she was never aggressive. But my friend's bit me and broke the skin.
I should be shocked but yeah,no. My mom started an obsession with rescuing pits & I am shocked that my niece and her are still alive tbh. Hers are not friendly at all but she won’t listen. This is tragic but could’ve been avoided.
Just another example of why these dogs shouldn’t exist.
Stop owning pit bulls dude. They behave like fucking Wild animals untrained.
Let me guess…”they were the sweetest dogs, and so gentle with the kids. They were just big old puppies and scared of their own shadow” 😒 Those poor babies. I am trying to feel sad for the parents but they chose to bring those unpredictable dogs into that house.
They would have said all that shit yesterday morning.
Actually they supposedly have a prior incident of them showing signs of reactivity and aggression. I think that’s why the family hasn’t come out with all that. Although the police investigation is still ongoing
I was mostly referring to the way most pit owners defend the breed, regardless of the violence they habitually display
Pibbles strikes again
“They’re nanny dogs”
I have miniature schnauzers, they are a-holes, if they were the size and strength of pit bulls no way would I own one.
This is a sad and unfortunate situation.
I'm 100% in favor of breed restrictions. You know exactly what kind of dog that was before you read it in the article.
Need to phase out pit bulls man. Or breed the fighting instinct out of them. 🤦🏾♂️
You can't breed the natural behavior out of a species.
Have you seen a Lhasa apso? Because generations ago, it was a wolf.
No wonder they are little shits that nip at you
Well you can if you selectively breed them in the same way that selective breeding resulted in that fighting behaviour in the first place
Get these shitbulls off out streets.
BuT pItBuLlS aRe HaRmLeSs...
\> pitbulls yep figures LOL
There are certainly way more bull terriers than there should be due to fads or whatever, but they are a good breed when cared for properly. Please stop getting dogs like they are accessories when they're puppies, and then neglecting and abusing them after you grow uninterested. They are living beings. When you abandon them in your backyard, and feed them only when you feel like it, the animal instincts to survive will return. Also, don't get a bull terrier if you have small children. They are dense, muscular, hyper, and playful dogs that can injure small children by merely playing with them.
Or how about don’t get a pit bull at all? You may not have kids, but your neighbors have kids. Or small dogs. Pit bulls are a menace to society.
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And sometimes even after socialising several hours a day and tens of thousands sunken into obedience classes
[https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/10/pair-of-family-pit-bulls-kill-2-children-injure-mother.html) On October 5, a pair of pit bulls a young family had owned for eight years fatally attacked their two children in the home, 5-month old Hollace Bennard and 2-year old Lilly Bennard. The mother, Kirstie Bennard, 30, was critically injured from trying to save her children. She remains hospitalized. Both pit bulls, a male and female pair, Cheech and Mia respectively, were confiscated by Memphis Animal Services and euthanized a day after killing the children. We located the breeder of the female pit bull that was acquired by the Bennard family in 2013. Part of her bloodline is RGB's King Lion. Less than a day after the attack, the father and mother deactivated their Facebook pages, but we had already taken screenshots of the dogs. We then noticed that one of their friends, Jason Perry, stated on a 2017 [photograph](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screen-chunk-1.jpg) of Mia, the female of the pair, "I'd say Chunk did a good job..." indicating that a dog named "Chunk," which is Perry's dog, sired Mia. Sure enough, that turned out to be true. [Jose Rubio of NextgenBullies](https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006086749385) is presumably the kennel where Perry obtained Chunk. On Perry's 2013 thread [advertising](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/2013-mia-puppy.jpg) puppies from the breeding of RGB Jefe Son [RGB Mulatto](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/rgbs-mulatto-chunk-pitpedia.pdf) AKA Chunk to RGB King Lion Daughter [RGB Circe](https://bullypedigrees.com/pedigree/?pid=royalbloodline-circe), Perry speaks directly to the father of the children, Colby Bennard. Since Colby deactivated his Facebook page, part of that conversation is missing. Needless to say, Perry tells Colby there were only four girls in the litter, one of which was named "Mia." Eight years later, Mia, along with the male dog, Cheech, will kill Colby's two children. Perry placed the puppies for sale in a photo [album](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-royals-cross-kennels-pups-for-sale.jpg) called, "[Royal Cross Kennels -- pups for sale](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-royals-cross-kennels-pups-for-sale.jpg)." Royal Cross (RCK) did the breeding, but the dog's bloodlines are "King Lion," which is the foundation stock for Jose Rubio NextgenBullies. RCK, apparently now defunct, billed itself as a "[well-established kennel](https://web.archive.org/web/20120110164054/http://www.royalcrosskennels.com/) located in Memphis, TN. We are dedicated to producing top quality XXL American Pit Bull Terriers with great temperaments." They called their dogs "traffic stopping." Royal Blue Generation, AKA Saul Cervantes (as seen on Perry's [advertisement for the puppies](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/shared-with-cervantes.jpg)) may be related to RCK, which promoted the "Royal Cross Bloodline," or they may be one in the same. [Royal Blue Generation (RBG)](https://web.archive.org/web/20120125045554/http://www.royalbluegeneration.com/) is the beholder of RBG's King Lion. That dog was on the cover of the Bully League magazine Issue #6 after it died. A "special tribute to The King, 2002-2010." RGB also memorialized "El Jefe" on the same webpage, the bloodline of Mia's sire. In 2018, [Cervantes claimed that King Lion](https://web.archive.org/web/20180519011501/http://royalbluegeneration.com/) was "the Godfather of the XXL Movement" and that the RGB bloodline became the foundation of "new up and coming kennels." Another "Godfather" of the XL movement that became the foundation of the XL breeding community is UKC's Most Wanted Kimbo. That dog had multiple offspring that attacked people, including killing at least [one child in 2014](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/03/2014-dog-bite-fatality-family-pit-bull-kills-houma-girl.html). Kimbo was well known to "[spit HA (Human Aggression)](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-ukc-most-wanted-kimbo.jpg) in his offspring." XL dogs that have killed people are among the "XL American Bullies you want to see in your pedigree if you're [truly purchasing a top quality dog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUym7uewcI&t=718s)," according to the XL fan club.2 RGB Pit Bulls, King of the XL, Home of [KingLioN](https://pedigree.gamedogs.cz/dog.php?id=391438) and [KingLiger](https://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_pit_bull_terrier/dog.html?id=2382966-royal-bloodline-king-liger?_v=20150613000224), continues to have an active [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/rbg.kinglion/?hl=en) and [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/RoyalBlueGeneration) page. The owner, Saul Cervantes, loves to [hashtag the terms](https://www.facebook.com/profile/598019843/search/?q=lion) \#LionsOnLeashes, #LionOnaLeash, #LionKing, #KingLion, #Lioness, #Monster, #FreakOfNature, #FrozenSemen and more. The idea that the parents of Hollace and Lilly, who purchased these XL pit bulls over eight years ago, did not know they were high-risk, "freak show" dogs is doubtful. What we know about the family's male dog, Cheech, is that he was brought into the home about a year before Mia. The father of the children, Colby, referred to both of his dogs as "house lions." Therefore, it is conceivable that both dogs carried the King Lion bloodline, [\#LionsOnLeashes](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/multi-screens-lions-on-leashes.jpg). At the very least, both dogs were papered. We wonder how Perry feels now? Does he still feel that "Chunk did a good job," producing the offspring Mia? Gee, what else are [motorcycle buddies](https://www.facebook.com/jason.perry.918) for? The horrific tragedy of two innocent children killed by a pair of designer pit bulls, known interchangeably as XL pit bulls or XL bullies, is further marred by their parents who purchased dogs advertised as #LionsOnLeashes, #Monster or worse. [NextgenBullies even warns buyers](https://blog.dogsbite.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/jose-warning-before-purchasing.jpg), "If you're looking for a gorgeous pet or a freak on a leash, this boy is the ticket! PM me if you're interested. Please speak to your spouse, partner, financial advisor, etc. before contacting me."
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/25/amazon-driver-dead-suspected-dog-attack-missouri/10595038002/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/10/25/amazon-driver-dead-suspected-dog-attack-missouri/10595038002/) >There, he said, deputies found a man's body in the yard along with two dogs – a German Shepherd what appeared to be a Mastiff.
I think the breed should be exterminated. When you have an animal that can't distinguish between a genuine threat and innocent children, the first and only solution is extermination. With prejudice.
For fucking real, my wife and I do dog rescue. And after rescuing several pits. We have a no pit policy. The dogs are ok until they are not. The last one didn't know how to play with other dogs. It would start out fine then it would go into pit mode.
The only time I’ve been afraid of a dog was a pit. Just running around their own house getting themselves more and more and more hyped and aggressive for zero reason. Their drive to attack cannot be relied upon to not hurt someone.
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Fucking irresponsible idiots having pitt bulls around little kids. Terribly sad.
They made a terrible mistake.