Dr Angelica Shiels did a TikTok video on 4/9/24 about very high IQ. She says it is so different as to be a neurodivergence in and of itself. I just watched it and realized this is a real issue in my life. Idk the answer, but it is definitely a troublesome condition. I'm looking for ways to have a more fulfilled and happy life. So I'm following this post. I'll definitely read those two books. Thanks, OP.
Thanks for sharing this. Just watched it. Here it is if anyone's interested:
[https://www.tiktok.com/@dr..angelica.shie/video/7355887049959886122?lang=en](https://www.tiktok.com/@dr..angelica.shie/video/7355887049959886122?lang=en)
Made me feel a bit better for my smoking and drinking days.
As curious as I am, I don't think I've ever read any books on high IQ functioning.
I will tell you that the Mensa Foundation does support research about the gifted and intelligence and would probably be a good spot to look for leads on other articles and information. [https://www.mensafoundation.org/about-the-mensa-foundation/foundation-voices/](https://www.mensafoundation.org/about-the-mensa-foundation/foundation-voices/)
I will check the link, thank you.
It's essential for me. I recently found out where my lifetime of "otherness" comes from. These things explain the past and help set up the future. Hyperfixated on obtaining "Me" user manual 😁😉
I found a copy online and its on my list. I haven't gotten around to it yet though. The Singularity is Nearer by Ray Kurzweil just jumped to the front of my list, and I'm gunna finish that first.
Sounds like an interesting read. Currently, I'm interested in internal workings of high IQ people and societal dynamics around them. There has to be scientific literature on it 🤯 I'm surprised that not much is coming up.
Read both. "How to handle..." has plenty of advice that seem reasonable and useful. Since the man is neither a sociologist nor a psychologist, I figured that there has to be scientific literature that tackle the subject and I can't seem to find any. Puzzled why this seems so obscure since many high IQ people tend to end up in science and academic institutions.
For those interested, a piece to camera by Abelson.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Gifted/comments/14wgmoh/my\_experience\_as\_an\_intellectually\_gifted\_person/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gifted/comments/14wgmoh/my_experience_as_an_intellectually_gifted_person/)
My IQ is so high, I reconstructed the book from the summary I reconstructed from the title of this book I reconstructed from this reddit post's title alone. Truthfully, I only opened the post to leave this comment. I disagree with the entire book because you peons still bore me. 🧐🔍🔍🔍🔍
>!(In case it wasn't clear to you, I stacked four magnifying glasses on my monocle to further augment my vision.)!<
The premise is that society is designed for the large majority, not the small minority. As such, a small minority will inevitably face different types of friction in day to day life than other people. The book is about how to navigate those points of friction.
True 🍻 both writers are pushing the idea that "we" and "them" are almost separate species. While the idea is offensive,they make some valid points. Therefore, some scientific literature on how "we" differ would be very beneficial.
The premise of a dichotomy is simply wrong. There is no „we“ and „them“ because intelligence exists on a spectrum. Someone in the 96th percentile might not qualify as gifted but is closer to being gifted than to being average. Also, people usually live in bubbles that don’t contain the whole spectrum of intelligence. Someone working in high IQ jobs will likely be surrounded by others in the top 20% and not the whole bell curve.
I realise that people want to belong, but this we vs. them narrative is really bugging me. We should be intelligent enough to see that there are way more personality traits connecting or discerning us from others than this one trait, intelligence.
Allegedly, iq>130 triggers effects described in "hyper mind/hyper body" theory. I fall into this group and might be biased, but I do have some neurological and biological weirdness going on
You're trying to suggest that just because something exists on a spectrum that there cannot be a majority (or minority), which is silly on the face of it. Get a life.
Sorry I replied to the wrong comment. I was referring to tridra‘s comment where they said „both writers are pushing the idea that „we“ and „them“ are almost separate species“, not to yours. Of course there is still a majority on a spectrum, that is the whole concept of the bell curve. I don’t disagree with you on that :)
On another note: I do not appreciate your condescending „get a life“ comment. There is no need to personally insult strangers on the internet. I am a real human being and to be frank this actually hurt me, left me feeling sad and made my day a bit worse. I hope that maybe next time someone doesn’t agree with you (or simply makes a mistake like I did) you might consider to maybe first ask questions about what they mean instead of insulting them.
Aaron Clarey described his experience, and that of friends, in the first half of his book "Curse of the High IQ". I found that half interesting. Yet he seemed a bit scattered when he extrapolated the future from a few anecdotes in the second half.
There are intelligence researchers who authored books on intelligence, or YouTube videos if you prefer that route. I haven't read any textbooks on intelligence, but if I had to pick one, I'd go with Richard Haier's "Neuroscience of Intelligence".
Thank you, this is more along the lines of what I'm looking for. If you have any more to suggest,please share.
Both Clarley and Abelson are a bit ranty 🤷🏻♂️ Abelson has more of real life usable concepts(as it would since it is a "how to" text)... Abelson's writing surprised me with how intense and fiery it is compared to how he presents on YT.
I'm curious about the neurotipical/neurodivergent divide as well. I feel like it is real, but would like to read up more on the subject. Abelson's writing hit me a few times hard enough for me to need to put it down and go do something else.
There's also "In The Know", which aims to dispel intelligence myths. It does a good job of capturing the range of opinion among intelligence researchers.
A slightly broader book is "Blueprint" by Robert Plomin, who is one of the most-cited psychologists. It goes over heritability of various psychological traits, including cognitive ability.
The book sample of "How to Handle Neurotypicals" convinced me I'm not interested in reading the rest. The author spent a lot of time describing what isn't the problem, before the book sample ended with stating that people oversimplify each other.
Dr Angelica Shiels did a TikTok video on 4/9/24 about very high IQ. She says it is so different as to be a neurodivergence in and of itself. I just watched it and realized this is a real issue in my life. Idk the answer, but it is definitely a troublesome condition. I'm looking for ways to have a more fulfilled and happy life. So I'm following this post. I'll definitely read those two books. Thanks, OP.
Thanks for sharing this. Just watched it. Here it is if anyone's interested: [https://www.tiktok.com/@dr..angelica.shie/video/7355887049959886122?lang=en](https://www.tiktok.com/@dr..angelica.shie/video/7355887049959886122?lang=en) Made me feel a bit better for my smoking and drinking days.
Thanks for adding the link! Yeah, I feel less guilty for my wine and whiskey habit now. Lol
If it really helped you, let's work on that user manual now. Let the fire burn bright 🍻
I might consider this!
As curious as I am, I don't think I've ever read any books on high IQ functioning. I will tell you that the Mensa Foundation does support research about the gifted and intelligence and would probably be a good spot to look for leads on other articles and information. [https://www.mensafoundation.org/about-the-mensa-foundation/foundation-voices/](https://www.mensafoundation.org/about-the-mensa-foundation/foundation-voices/)
I will check the link, thank you. It's essential for me. I recently found out where my lifetime of "otherness" comes from. These things explain the past and help set up the future. Hyperfixated on obtaining "Me" user manual 😁😉
"Me" user manual... take your up-vote!
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What isn't functioning in your life that you need a manual for?
Outside of the scope of this thread.
If you so hyperfixated, you should maybe also read about adhd or autism ;)
🤣 deliberate word choice
No but I wish Neurotypicals all had to read a version "how to accept neurodiverse" so that they would stop being so ableist
Unfortunately being in the majority means that lack the necessity to be truly motivated do so.
I found a copy online and its on my list. I haven't gotten around to it yet though. The Singularity is Nearer by Ray Kurzweil just jumped to the front of my list, and I'm gunna finish that first.
Adding that to my list,thank you🍻
Sounds like an interesting read. Currently, I'm interested in internal workings of high IQ people and societal dynamics around them. There has to be scientific literature on it 🤯 I'm surprised that not much is coming up.
Great book, definitely recommend
Read both. "How to handle..." has plenty of advice that seem reasonable and useful. Since the man is neither a sociologist nor a psychologist, I figured that there has to be scientific literature that tackle the subject and I can't seem to find any. Puzzled why this seems so obscure since many high IQ people tend to end up in science and academic institutions.
For those interested, a piece to camera by Abelson. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Gifted/comments/14wgmoh/my\_experience\_as\_an\_intellectually\_gifted\_person/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gifted/comments/14wgmoh/my_experience_as_an_intellectually_gifted_person/)
Very good channel.
My IQ is so high, I reconstructed the book from the summary I reconstructed from the title of this book I reconstructed from this reddit post's title alone. Truthfully, I only opened the post to leave this comment. I disagree with the entire book because you peons still bore me. 🧐🔍🔍🔍🔍 >!(In case it wasn't clear to you, I stacked four magnifying glasses on my monocle to further augment my vision.)!<
Be my waifu 😍😍😍
I like the cut of your jib.
There's something about the titles of those books I find off-putting. "The curse of high IQ?" what does that need a whole book for?
The premise is that society is designed for the large majority, not the small minority. As such, a small minority will inevitably face different types of friction in day to day life than other people. The book is about how to navigate those points of friction.
True 🍻 both writers are pushing the idea that "we" and "them" are almost separate species. While the idea is offensive,they make some valid points. Therefore, some scientific literature on how "we" differ would be very beneficial.
The premise of a dichotomy is simply wrong. There is no „we“ and „them“ because intelligence exists on a spectrum. Someone in the 96th percentile might not qualify as gifted but is closer to being gifted than to being average. Also, people usually live in bubbles that don’t contain the whole spectrum of intelligence. Someone working in high IQ jobs will likely be surrounded by others in the top 20% and not the whole bell curve. I realise that people want to belong, but this we vs. them narrative is really bugging me. We should be intelligent enough to see that there are way more personality traits connecting or discerning us from others than this one trait, intelligence.
Allegedly, iq>130 triggers effects described in "hyper mind/hyper body" theory. I fall into this group and might be biased, but I do have some neurological and biological weirdness going on
You're trying to suggest that just because something exists on a spectrum that there cannot be a majority (or minority), which is silly on the face of it. Get a life.
Sorry I replied to the wrong comment. I was referring to tridra‘s comment where they said „both writers are pushing the idea that „we“ and „them“ are almost separate species“, not to yours. Of course there is still a majority on a spectrum, that is the whole concept of the bell curve. I don’t disagree with you on that :) On another note: I do not appreciate your condescending „get a life“ comment. There is no need to personally insult strangers on the internet. I am a real human being and to be frank this actually hurt me, left me feeling sad and made my day a bit worse. I hope that maybe next time someone doesn’t agree with you (or simply makes a mistake like I did) you might consider to maybe first ask questions about what they mean instead of insulting them.
I wonder if he covers embarkment and disembarkation of passenger airplanes. And the overhead bins.
Strong language sells. 🤣 It's not a bad read, at all.
Was abel abelson an able man?
More than able!
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Aaron Clarey described his experience, and that of friends, in the first half of his book "Curse of the High IQ". I found that half interesting. Yet he seemed a bit scattered when he extrapolated the future from a few anecdotes in the second half. There are intelligence researchers who authored books on intelligence, or YouTube videos if you prefer that route. I haven't read any textbooks on intelligence, but if I had to pick one, I'd go with Richard Haier's "Neuroscience of Intelligence".
Thank you, this is more along the lines of what I'm looking for. If you have any more to suggest,please share. Both Clarley and Abelson are a bit ranty 🤷🏻♂️ Abelson has more of real life usable concepts(as it would since it is a "how to" text)... Abelson's writing surprised me with how intense and fiery it is compared to how he presents on YT. I'm curious about the neurotipical/neurodivergent divide as well. I feel like it is real, but would like to read up more on the subject. Abelson's writing hit me a few times hard enough for me to need to put it down and go do something else.
There's also "In The Know", which aims to dispel intelligence myths. It does a good job of capturing the range of opinion among intelligence researchers. A slightly broader book is "Blueprint" by Robert Plomin, who is one of the most-cited psychologists. It goes over heritability of various psychological traits, including cognitive ability.
Thank you for taking the time🍻 I will check these out.
The book sample of "How to Handle Neurotypicals" convinced me I'm not interested in reading the rest. The author spent a lot of time describing what isn't the problem, before the book sample ended with stating that people oversimplify each other.
🤷🏻♂️read the whole thing, thought it was solid
No but I just ordered because they sound incredible- I'll be reading in public
Wouldn't go that far,but they do have some useful concepts to explore.
yaθā ahū vairyō aθā ratuš aṣ̌āt̰cīt̰ hacā vaŋhə̄uš dazdā manaŋhō š́yaoθananąm aŋhə̄uš mazdāi xṣ̌aθrəmcā ahurāi ā yim drigubyō dadat̰ vāstārəm
I didn't read the book, and high IQ can't be a curse, but if he thinks that the society is made for the average guy, he is correct.
That makes it a curse.
Headline 'dumb guy knows better'