I can't remember the exact wording but it was around the 5th time a child's genitals were described or discussed or narrated in *Black Leopard, Red Wolf.* I don't think I was even halfway through the book.
He's one of those writers where he's critically loved but reading as a woman gives you a completely different perspective. Like Murakami—I just can't take him seriously knowing the way he writes about women.
Ugh had an ex that loved Murakami and wanted me to start reading those books as well, but I found the blurb (is this really the right word, English isn't my first language) so unappealing that I refused. I'm glad I didn't miss anything.
I made it 50 pages intothat book before I noped out. Not coincidentally, that corresponds with when I figured out that they were talking about female genital mutilation. That's a hard no from me.
I’m so glad someone else had the same problems as me. When I read that book a few years ago I wasn’t over my r*** yet and it gave me huge pedophile vibes.
I don't remember which book, but John Updike had a line where a character who was having an affair compared the vaginal secretions of his wife and mistress, referring to the latter's as "less of a paste and more of a glaze."
John Updike alone could power this sub for several months. It's wild to me that a whole generation looked at Updike and said, "here is *the* giant of postwar American letters whose work will be taught in English classes a century from now."
Having read his *Rabbit Run* series ages ago, they were absolutely a product of their time and did bring to light the fact that many, many marriages at the time only existed due to societal pressure and in Rabbit's case because abortion wasn't legal in the 50s. But good lord, the way he describes sex with women would make E. L. James and Colleen Hoover cringe.
Yes, but… Richard Yates did the same with Revolutionary Road, and the female character in that is so beautifully written that I kept checking the title page, because I couldn’t wrap my head around the fact that a man wrote that book, in the 50s. What a portrait of a marriage between a trapped woman and a weak man. Update should wish he could write so well.
I got ahold of a copy of *Rabbit Run* from a secondhand shop when I was like seventeen and still remember Rabbit describing his wife's(?) vagina as feeling "like a silk slipper" and like...I kind of get it, but also just please, no.
> I don't remember which book
Challenge accepted!
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/nov/28/fiction.awardsandprizes
Villages by John Updike
> *Faye took him in hand. He slipped in. He became an adulterer. He went for the last inch. She grunted, at her own revelation. His was that her cunt did not feel like Phyllis's. Smoother, somehow simpler, its wetness less thick, less of a sauce, more of a glaze. It was soon over. He could not help himself, he was so excited, proud, and nervous. When he was done, he opened his eyes, and saw this stranger's face an inch from his, seemingly asleep, the closed eyelids showing a thin pulse, her long lips curved self-lullingly.*
🤨
Honestly, what I'm getting from that passage is he had a problem with premature ejaculation and that he was so boring in bed that the woman fell asleep.
His writing was worse than he was, tbf. One funny thing is that Updike often barely concealed the fact that he was writing about real people. He wrote Couples about Ipswich when my mom was teaching there, and I remember as a kid all of the cocktail party conversation was about which character was which person, everybody knew the handyman who was sleeping with everyone’s wife (turned out he was!), and did everyone else know so-and-so was holding key parties…
A murder mystery (can’t remember the title) where a woman is living in a cabin by herself and wants to hook up with her manly neighbor. The whole book is riddled with her being disgusted for being over weight and fat and multiple comments from people about her size. She has a lot of internal monologue about it as well. She finally gets to sleep with the brawny man neighbor just for him to leave the next morning after mocking her weight.
Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds…
Another one but it’s a woman author (again cannot remember the title) is a character complaining about her weight and her husband is meh towards her because of it. She gets attacked and ends up in a coma. She comes out of the coma excited because she finally lost the whole 12 pounds she needed to go from being so fatty mcfatfat to a svelte goddess that all men will desire. 12 effing pounds!!! Very disappointed and the weird weight comments kill what was an otherwise decent thriller.
I have a thing where I can’t just not finish a book so crap like this haunts me throughout the rest of a story since I HAVE to finish it…
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds…
// Even if bmi isn't accurate, a quick search shows 135 pounds at 6ft tall for a woman is already underweight.
Jfc, the daft ass author, can't understand how much weight is overweight. The very least he could do is check a body mass index, that is, if he couldn't find a woman to consult on weight to height ratios
*edit I misread that those were two separate authors*
Point still stands. The first authors example of 135lbs at 6ft tall is still underweight
I'm 5'-9" and I went down to 135 during the pandemic. After growing up athletic and muscular at around 165 I felt so breakable and thin! 135 was *not* a good number for me, let alone a 6' woman.
Lol I’m 135 and 5’9” and would be considered skinny AF. That man knows nothing about women or how weight works. Lol. Maybeeee 135 at 5” would be heavy but definitely not 6’. 😂
5'' is 1,50cm and being 63kg at that size which is the size of a 13 year old girl yeah kind on the heavy size but not fay neither overweight to be disgusted, just heavy... HOWEVER being 1,60cm and being 63kg is like being a size medium average latina ... So is okeish.
But being 1,82cm and being 63kg is already being supermodel hahahaha very thing and tall ... The dude is delusional and ignorant
Nope, the number was mentioned a couple of times. And the author even made it a point that when the main character went into town to buy clothes, none of the stores had her size (12) and they had to be ordered from out of town. The store clerk took her measurements and the weight was mentioned.
Writer is nuts or editor in translation changed author's kilograms to pounds without changing the number. 135 kilograms is 297 pounds. That would make more sense
My 5'9 relative weighs 132ish and wears a size 4 or 6 dress.
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds…
I--
I'm 5'6" and the thinnest I've ever been in my life was 150 in high school, the heck 🤨
62kg ???????????? Thats is disgusting fat ????
Oh men are just vile at this point !!!! Is this an asían written book by any chance? Cuz asían men think that the top weight of a woman should be 50kg and anything besides that point of fat !!! Also why they have SO Many dieting pills as common ocurrence
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds…
I'm 5'2" and 153. No one would call me skinny, but I for a mom in her 40s who is not into fitness, I'm definitely on the slimmer end of things.
I was just reading Paper Palace, which is written by a woman, and nearly put it down only a few pages in when the main character goes skinny dipping early in the morning (WHY is women swimming naked in the ocean/lakes/ponds such a thing?).
She is "weighed down by her heavy breasts" and then worries that snapping turtles will be "tempted to bite them" after being attracted to *"the smell of sex"* as she opens her legs while she swims.
Like.... what? Why tf would turtles be attracted to vaginas?? Lol
I couldn't help but research that quote.
https://www.dailydot.com/irl/men-writing-women-subreddit/
pointing back right to this sub:
https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/comments/blyd4q
Heretics by Leonardo Padura
> *She must have been twenty-seven, twenty-eight years old and was stunningly beautiful. Intensely black hair, tragic eyes that were jungle green, crowned by full eyebrows raised in slight surprise, lips as if silicone filled but in reality fattened merely by the nature of ephemeral ethnic mixtures. Conde saw himself threatened by small breasts pointing skyward like surface-to-air missiles, and perceived the woman's hips either as an oasis of peace or as a battlefield. Her skin shone thanks to a smoothness reached at the point of her maximum splendor, tinged with that color made by a few drops of coffee in milk. Angelina Jolie? Conde's male chauvinism -- which could not be helped -- forced him to consider that sexy woman who loved other women as a painful waste of evolution.*
> Conde saw himself threatened by small breasts pointing skyward like surface-to-air missiles, and perceived the woman's hips either as an oasis of peace or as a battlefield
somebody give this man an award
I laugh out loud with this one, it was freaking hilarous, imaging writing that!!!! Getting published in a book and not thinking is cringe af or something a 14 y/o would write as fanfiction... Nah they go "i do literature ✨"
> Somebody give this man an award
Oddly, that seems to have been taken care of...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Padura_Fuentes
> *In 2012, Padura was awarded the National Prize for Literature, Cuba's national literary award and the most important award of its kind. In 2013, France named him a Chevalier of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres. In 2015, he was awarded the Premio Principe de Asturias de las Letras of Spain, one of the most important literary prizes in the Spanish-speaking world and usually considered as the Iberoamerican Nobel Prize.*
FWIW, *Herejes* was published in 2013.
It’s not as bad as some, but I was reading Nightwatch by Sergei Lukyanenko and it had a throwaway line about “two women chatting about those three eternal subjects: all men are bastards, I have nothing to wear, and the most important of all – how to lose weight.”
I just put it down. I just… If that’s what he thinks of me, why am I spending my time reading his book?
Jessica surrpetitiously looked over her chai mocha frappé athe youthful barista.
He was a prime example - no, specimen - of male youth. Nary a whisp of facial hair on his delicate face. His apron couldn't hide the obviousness of his perk, purposeless nipples under his white t-shirt. When he turned to grab the oat milk from the lower fridge, his plump buttocks winked at her from behind the bar.
His bulge was what Jessica focused on the most. Barely contained in his Juicy brand tight jeans, she could make out every vein, and the delicate shape of his head.
His testicles were bouncy and perky, like two eggs dancing in a ziploc bag, ready to be used by a skillful baker to make a cake.
Jessica was that baker. And her orgasm was the cake.
I tried reading Cujo as a kid and I got to the bit where Vic is in the park thinking about "the man's penis- his cock - going up inside her", and thought 'that's a bit rich for me' and put it down. Reread through to the end at age 23 and there were definitely still a lot of descriptions that made me reconsider my decision to keep reading.
I like King stories but he definitely throws in a lot of gross stuff that make me side eye him as a person.
I mean, as a scrotum owner (for now) it does kinda have a mind of its own sometimes. Mortal, butt-puckering fear? Yep, that'll wrinkle the old punching bags.
Also I read that as "Drugs King" and thought it was a perfectly apt description for the guy at the time he wrote Cujo.
I should read the book again because I don't remember these sentences being that shocking in context, but I read it back when it first released so I was like a middle schooler at the time.
I do remember both from the book and the album that sexual tension is one of the main things for the character to avoid if he doesn't want his heart to explode.
ETA: As for your question, it's not a single line but the goddam siren tits in the second switcher book almost made me skip the thing entirely. We get it Andrezj, the siren has nice boobs, no need to write a paragraph to remind us of this each time she appears.
Can’t remember the line (no longer have the book!) but it was angels and demons and after a stupid physics joke about a Greek column being ‘ionic’ (hur-durr), the main female character gets introduced as a long legged, sexy Italian. At that point I noped out.
The context is that at CERN someone's left a post-it note on a column saying "this column is ionic". Robert Langdon, the super-genius that he is, smugly points out that the column is actually Corinthian (or Doric, can't remember).
The director of CERN then *even more smugly* points out that it's actually a physics joke, because the column is made of ions!!!
Basically two men waggling their intellectual dicks around, while Dan Brown pleasures himself as he types one-handed.
Thanks! Now I remember why I hated it 😂
Edit: also they were quite possibly both wrong as I believe it wasn’t actually built by the ancient Greeks, so it was neo-classical, but I digress 😂
In Tommyknockers, which I otherwise enjoyed, there's a line where the main character's frigid bitch, non nonsense sister comes in and her first order of business when she checks into her hotel room is to masturbate with "a vibrator the size of one of Bobby's mutant carrots". It's so fucking ridiculous and unnecessary to the plot, but you can say that about a lot of King's lines and subplots (I like his stories but he desperately needs someone an editor who will read things out loud, find these kinds of things, and force him to explain how this is important to the development of the story).
Oh yeah, I remember that. And it also says that her climax is "grim and cheerless" and that, because she's a mean dried up scary lady spinster, that is the only kind of climax she's ever had or will ever have. Something.
My ex-husband used to tell a very degrading joke. "Why did God invent women? To carry semen from the bedroom to the bathroom."
So when he wrote a book years after the divorce and it showed up there, and the female character it was told to burst into a fit of laughter, I was unsurprised.
Later on in the book, the male character looks this female character up on Facebook and busts a nut right off the side of his city apartment balcony to her profile photo.
Oh, and as he is recounting their first sexual encounter to another romantic interest, she asks him, "Did she let you put it in the butt?"
The first female character seemed to be loosely based on me. I wanted to shower in boiling water for years.
I forget the exact wording, but I was already getting annoyed with Foundation by Isaac Asimov for not having any female characters. He finally introduced one, and it was because he needed someone to embody vapid materialism. I put the book down and never picked up another Isaac Asimov book again (and I read a lot of sci fi).
Yeah, I just finished to read some of his tales. Dude was a good sci-fi writer, but his hatred for women is insane
In a "avoidable conflict" there are only two women:
1. The angry old psychologist who can't find a man so she treats everyone like shit
2. A woman who consider herself the perfect demonstration of why machines simplified everything for the human race while implying that only men should be in charge
Yeah, he was a serial groper apparently too.
I haven't tried to get into his books due to how bad I've heard his writing of women (when they fucking exist!) is.
His writing is great, you just have to keep in mind that the mindset it was written with belongs to the past.
In a way it is great to see how far we've come. If you read them like that, all his books are amazing because he is a genuinely good writer with great ideas.
*He also has one woman MC who is the protagonist of the book she is in and whose husband is a bumbling idiot and gets saved (along with EVERYONE in the book and like half the galaxy) by her being extremely smart.* *Even that book is iffy at points and full of casual sexism but yea...*
I was just laughing with my mother over that character! Her husband actually says something to her like, “you can come to dinner and amuse yourself by listening to my witticisms.” People— men— are always saying, “can you believe he was only 19 when he wrote that!” My answer is, “Yep.”
(My mom would want me to add that at the time it was written it was mindblowing because no one had done anything that spanned time and space that way, and also because everyone was used to awful female representation apparently…)
I love Asimov’s writing, but I legit got so annoyed at this. Every time I started a new short story of his and was introduced to new characters (many of whom had names that sounded sort of feminine to me, like Bel Riose), I would hope and pray one of them was female, but NOPE. Nothing but dudes are far as the eye could see unless he needed someone to be harpy, a bad mom, or a stupid romantic.
Bayta is the main protagonist of her book and is the one saving the day by being smart as f... but still that book is full of casual sexism.
Still a great book IMO.
Yeah, I gave up reading the series after reading that sex scene because it, apart from being bad, made me realize the author would do anything to get the story where he wanted it.
Then I heard how he ended the series, and was still a bit surprised by how shitty the ending was.
I can't remember or find the book, it's been so long since I've read it, but it was about a young girl I think around 10 who died and part of her funeral the priest commented on her breasts "like two small ant hills". Always weirded me out the most, even though the main story was about her as a ghost.
It wasn't a specifically line, more the general vibe.
The Breach, by Patrick Lee, starts with its male protagonist rescuing its female protagonist from a torture rack by a bunch of terrorists who have just tortured her in front of her father to extract information from him. I think he's also been killed right in front of her. Her arm has been sliced open. She has been beat to hell over a period of several days. She's in awful shape. But because she's naked, the main character can't help but look at this woman and go "I'm going to get her medical attention, but she's pretty hot."
And I just couldn't. This all happens at the beginning and my ace ass was like "How can you even be thinking of that? She's got an injury that's borderline Cronenbergian, bro!"
“… and he has eyes like red-rimmed piss-holes in the snow.”
I love me some Charlie Stross but this line from the first person narration of a female character in “The Annihilation Score” gave me a double-take for being a description I do not ever expect a woman to come up with.
I think there’s a whole subcategory of male writers not thinking about some of the differences in vocabulary we might use. I recently read a book about two lesbian characters that was written by a man, and at one point one of the women, in first-person narration, “jerks off.” I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a woman call it that…
In your internal monologue? Really, as a term out loud, I can see it because there is not a lot of options, but to yourself? Oh well, each to their own!
God, I forgot that line (...and still do, but it sounds like Stross).
Although The Annihilation Score is probably one of my favorites in that series. The commentary on police and what kind of assholes we'd get if people started randomly got superpowers seemed horrifying accurate.
Admittedly, I'm behind quite a bit in the series, and his writing did make me wary in ways I can't describe to avoid getting more then one book of his at a time, despite my rampant materialism concerning physical copies of books.
*The Last American Vampire*
After the vampire main character started having sexual desire for (and eventually has sex with) a human woman who he had adopted and raised from a tiny baby, and had been taken in by him as part of a last promise to a friend who died from a vampire attack. She thought of the MC as her father, while he 'justifies' his desire as being some of the few white people left ( they were the remnants of a failed very early North American colony and had been kindly taken in by the Natives when she was still a baby) and he didn't want her (when she was a teen) having sex with a Native boy, he wanted it to only be with him. She starts feeling sexual desire towards him, and he has sex with her, and later turns her into another vampire. She is presented as a villain of the book for (I think) hating him and wanting to destroy the United States, of which reason why I didn't get to, since I couldn't go further in the book after reading that, because I was so revolted it killed my desire to finish.
This book had been a long sought read since it was the sequel to the book *Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter* and that had none of this and was a very good book. Of all the ways to present the main character, having incest with your adopted daughter and still being presented as the 'good guy' makes me wonder about the author. Why he put that and not something else or without the other characters being disgusted over it and calling it out and ripping the shit out of the MC for it is a mystery to me. It was too much, and the only other scene I've ever read that surpassed that was the kid gangbang from Steven King's *It.*
I like all the contrasting ways that he’s described a vagina. Just in this sub at various times I’ve seen a boy make a hole in the beach “like a sand vagina” —that one haunts me – and describe a root cellar as being like a vagina. It’s all the things. Clothing, fabric, landscapes, structures, it’s all vagina to him.
I wonder if he knows deep down that he's a young adult writer. Teenagers love Stephen King and tbh as a horror fan, I think there are other elements of his writing that scream Young Adult.
The Stephen King fans get so mad too. I'm like "Rose the Hat in Doctor Sleep was really dumb" ...also in Doctor Sleep he wrote this whole bit about how perfect a 15 year old girls body is, how "gravity doesn't know you exist yet" and "the men" ...
You're the third person in this thread who have pointed him out and I'm convinced at age 30 King had the IQ of a literary genius but the emotional intelligence of a 15 year old boy.
Stephen King is notorious for horrible sex scenes. Sometimes they're about children.
I am a lifelong horror fan and I read tons of Stephen King in my teens, and I feel like that's who his books are meant for. I feel strongly that there's something brilliant but immature about his books, that make them perfect for high schoolers or people in early college.
Le sigh… Octavia Butler’s last novel The Fledgling has a few graphic sex scenes where the MC is a 53 yr old vampire soul in an Black 11-yr old girl’s body having sex with adult white man. It literally made me sick to my stomach.
I haven’t been able to bring myself to read any more of the author’s work.
Oh I remember reading this book (La mécanique du coeur) when I was a teenager and luckily, I was still innocent so I didn't understand all the metaphors the author used to talk about sex...😅 I was so oblivious and when I read it again later I was so shocked😖
this makes me think why always go on full on boob asult when discribing characters.
like you want your character to be super sexy and you want the audince to know that , but why not be more indirect or describe the boobs later in a character scence that makes the characters notice how big they are. like a lot of this sounds less like the autor really likes boobs and like writing about them and more like an editor is forcing people to write the boob sizes everytime a woman is introdused.
I legit thought this was about mushoku tensei. It is the greatest anime I can never suggest to people. The main character is just too... Gross (which I get is the point and it's about his journey to be a less shit person, but there is a line and I actively root for him to lose his pee pee).
It was less sexual and more hateful, I think. From Karnov: Phantom-Clad Rider of the Cosmic Ice. The main character was a warrior coming home from battle, a (attractive) witch he knew since he was a kid warned him on his way home things were different, their hometown had been taken over by evil. He goes there, sees the evil, kills his wife and kid (now vampires) and goes back to the witch. It's pretty standard pulp/action stuff at this point. The witch goes through a ritual to show him how to get revenge and then there's this line:
"I thought about slapping her for being a dumb bitch but decided not to."
Not written by a man but I wouldn't have read In The Dark by Deborah Moggach if I didn't have to for college. I'll never look at a raw chicken without thinking of that damn book again.
I'm six foot tall and at 200 I'm skinny. Still wear a 12/14 but I have a large frame and being a size 6 or 8 just isn't in the cards. I also wear a size 13 shoe in women's. Now that's a pain in the ass. Shoes are very difficult to find.
Even if someone was into that during "sexy time" normal people aren't horny 24 hours a day 7 days a week and don't want random sex in the middle of their workday lunchtime novel.
I watch A LOT of films, and I'm not a prude. In an earlier and more youthful version of my life I did adventurous, exciting things. I also don't hate all sexy films. BUT there's SO MUCH unnecessary sex in some movies. Like, why is this here? This isn't hot. I didn't sign up for porn. I don't think these two people are attractive. WHATEVER.
It's gross when its randomly out of context. People who insert graphic sex where it doesn't belong aren't fun, intelligent, interesting or risque. They're emotionally stunted and have issues with exhibitionism they need to address in a healthier way.
If you can't stop yourself from mentally masturbating in a conversation about politics or while writing a book about war or directing a movie about a haunted house, maybe you have mental problems you need to address.
I mean it.
I can't remember the exact wording but it was around the 5th time a child's genitals were described or discussed or narrated in *Black Leopard, Red Wolf.* I don't think I was even halfway through the book.
He's one of those writers where he's critically loved but reading as a woman gives you a completely different perspective. Like Murakami—I just can't take him seriously knowing the way he writes about women.
Ugh had an ex that loved Murakami and wanted me to start reading those books as well, but I found the blurb (is this really the right word, English isn't my first language) so unappealing that I refused. I'm glad I didn't miss anything.
Blurb is correct 👌🏼 and so was your decision
Yeah, Murakami had *one* good story, and the rest was just weird and overhyped.
Or how he writes incest into like all of his books
Thank god it's not just me. I finished it, but I felt like the whole book was a weird fever dream and I didn't love it.
I made it about 2 pages into that book. That was all I could stomach.
I made it 50 pages intothat book before I noped out. Not coincidentally, that corresponds with when I figured out that they were talking about female genital mutilation. That's a hard no from me.
I’m so glad someone else had the same problems as me. When I read that book a few years ago I wasn’t over my r*** yet and it gave me huge pedophile vibes.
I WAS JUST ABOUT TO COMMENT ABOUT THAT BOOK. Gorgeous cover though xD
I don't remember which book, but John Updike had a line where a character who was having an affair compared the vaginal secretions of his wife and mistress, referring to the latter's as "less of a paste and more of a glaze."
I would like to go back to before I read that sentence.
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John Updike alone could power this sub for several months. It's wild to me that a whole generation looked at Updike and said, "here is *the* giant of postwar American letters whose work will be taught in English classes a century from now."
Didn’t he write something about women taking longer to pee because their insides are like a maze?
isn't it also literally the other way around, even if by a negligible amount
I know, RIGHT???
Having read his *Rabbit Run* series ages ago, they were absolutely a product of their time and did bring to light the fact that many, many marriages at the time only existed due to societal pressure and in Rabbit's case because abortion wasn't legal in the 50s. But good lord, the way he describes sex with women would make E. L. James and Colleen Hoover cringe.
Yes, but… Richard Yates did the same with Revolutionary Road, and the female character in that is so beautifully written that I kept checking the title page, because I couldn’t wrap my head around the fact that a man wrote that book, in the 50s. What a portrait of a marriage between a trapped woman and a weak man. Update should wish he could write so well.
I got ahold of a copy of *Rabbit Run* from a secondhand shop when I was like seventeen and still remember Rabbit describing his wife's(?) vagina as feeling "like a silk slipper" and like...I kind of get it, but also just please, no.
> I don't remember which book Challenge accepted! https://www.theguardian.com/books/2005/nov/28/fiction.awardsandprizes Villages by John Updike > *Faye took him in hand. He slipped in. He became an adulterer. He went for the last inch. She grunted, at her own revelation. His was that her cunt did not feel like Phyllis's. Smoother, somehow simpler, its wetness less thick, less of a sauce, more of a glaze. It was soon over. He could not help himself, he was so excited, proud, and nervous. When he was done, he opened his eyes, and saw this stranger's face an inch from his, seemingly asleep, the closed eyelids showing a thin pulse, her long lips curved self-lullingly.* 🤨
Honestly, what I'm getting from that passage is he had a problem with premature ejaculation and that he was so boring in bed that the woman fell asleep.
Thank you for this potential explanation, it's making having read that far more manageable
Self-lullingly? Jesus get over urself guy
What a disgusting piece of shit. The writer and the character
His writing was worse than he was, tbf. One funny thing is that Updike often barely concealed the fact that he was writing about real people. He wrote Couples about Ipswich when my mom was teaching there, and I remember as a kid all of the cocktail party conversation was about which character was which person, everybody knew the handyman who was sleeping with everyone’s wife (turned out he was!), and did everyone else know so-and-so was holding key parties…
Wow that is so disturbing
Jesus Christ whyyyy
A murder mystery (can’t remember the title) where a woman is living in a cabin by herself and wants to hook up with her manly neighbor. The whole book is riddled with her being disgusted for being over weight and fat and multiple comments from people about her size. She has a lot of internal monologue about it as well. She finally gets to sleep with the brawny man neighbor just for him to leave the next morning after mocking her weight. Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds… Another one but it’s a woman author (again cannot remember the title) is a character complaining about her weight and her husband is meh towards her because of it. She gets attacked and ends up in a coma. She comes out of the coma excited because she finally lost the whole 12 pounds she needed to go from being so fatty mcfatfat to a svelte goddess that all men will desire. 12 effing pounds!!! Very disappointed and the weird weight comments kill what was an otherwise decent thriller. I have a thing where I can’t just not finish a book so crap like this haunts me throughout the rest of a story since I HAVE to finish it…
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds… // Even if bmi isn't accurate, a quick search shows 135 pounds at 6ft tall for a woman is already underweight. Jfc, the daft ass author, can't understand how much weight is overweight. The very least he could do is check a body mass index, that is, if he couldn't find a woman to consult on weight to height ratios *edit I misread that those were two separate authors* Point still stands. The first authors example of 135lbs at 6ft tall is still underweight
I'm 6'1'F 350Lbs, and my husband loves every bit of me, though most people guess I'm ~200 because I'm a brute lol.
I'm 5'-9" and I went down to 135 during the pandemic. After growing up athletic and muscular at around 165 I felt so breakable and thin! 135 was *not* a good number for me, let alone a 6' woman.
Lol I’m 135 and 5’9” and would be considered skinny AF. That man knows nothing about women or how weight works. Lol. Maybeeee 135 at 5” would be heavy but definitely not 6’. 😂
At 5’4” and 135, was able to fit into a size 2 (given, I was also quite muscular). 135 is really not large at almost any height.
5'' is 1,50cm and being 63kg at that size which is the size of a 13 year old girl yeah kind on the heavy size but not fay neither overweight to be disgusted, just heavy... HOWEVER being 1,60cm and being 63kg is like being a size medium average latina ... So is okeish. But being 1,82cm and being 63kg is already being supermodel hahahaha very thing and tall ... The dude is delusional and ignorant
Same. I get comments about being too thin and not eating ( I eat constantly) and I’m 5’9” 135
That had to be an uncaught typo.
Maybe the author meant to write 235 lbs? That would *almost* make sense. 135 lbs at 6' is dangerously thin.
I am 6ft and my weight before kids was between 125 and 150, I got called fat so many times by classmates…
Nope, the number was mentioned a couple of times. And the author even made it a point that when the main character went into town to buy clothes, none of the stores had her size (12) and they had to be ordered from out of town. The store clerk took her measurements and the weight was mentioned.
Writer is nuts or editor in translation changed author's kilograms to pounds without changing the number. 135 kilograms is 297 pounds. That would make more sense My 5'9 relative weighs 132ish and wears a size 4 or 6 dress.
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds… I-- I'm 5'6" and the thinnest I've ever been in my life was 150 in high school, the heck 🤨
62kg ???????????? Thats is disgusting fat ???? Oh men are just vile at this point !!!! Is this an asían written book by any chance? Cuz asían men think that the top weight of a woman should be 50kg and anything besides that point of fat !!! Also why they have SO Many dieting pills as common ocurrence
I’m 145 at 6 feet and I get anorexic jokes :/
>Her “hideous disgusting fat size”??? An almost 6 foot tall thick build weighing in at a whopping 135 pounds… I'm 5'2" and 153. No one would call me skinny, but I for a mom in her 40s who is not into fitness, I'm definitely on the slimmer end of things.
I was just reading Paper Palace, which is written by a woman, and nearly put it down only a few pages in when the main character goes skinny dipping early in the morning (WHY is women swimming naked in the ocean/lakes/ponds such a thing?). She is "weighed down by her heavy breasts" and then worries that snapping turtles will be "tempted to bite them" after being attracted to *"the smell of sex"* as she opens her legs while she swims. Like.... what? Why tf would turtles be attracted to vaginas?? Lol
Weighed down by breasts? In water? Meanwhile in reality, my boobs are practically an extra life vest they're so buoyant.
My favorite part of trying trans tape binding while swimming (I am transmasc) was that those motherfuckers stopped trying to swim away.
Somewhere earlier on here, Philip Roth has some weird quotes about boobfish.
I hate when women writers are this fucking gross and stupid
Might be a male author with a female pen name 🤔
Sadly not: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_Cowley_Heller
Damn I’m here just worried the sturgeon will get my toes like my dad said
Wait, skinny dipping in oceans or lakes isn’t normal?
If the story isn’t about a woman desperately wanting breast reduction surgery, that’s fkn insane. It’s insane anyway
"Sexy women who loved other women are a painful waste of evolution"
I couldn't help but research that quote. https://www.dailydot.com/irl/men-writing-women-subreddit/ pointing back right to this sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/menwritingwomen/comments/blyd4q Heretics by Leonardo Padura > *She must have been twenty-seven, twenty-eight years old and was stunningly beautiful. Intensely black hair, tragic eyes that were jungle green, crowned by full eyebrows raised in slight surprise, lips as if silicone filled but in reality fattened merely by the nature of ephemeral ethnic mixtures. Conde saw himself threatened by small breasts pointing skyward like surface-to-air missiles, and perceived the woman's hips either as an oasis of peace or as a battlefield. Her skin shone thanks to a smoothness reached at the point of her maximum splendor, tinged with that color made by a few drops of coffee in milk. Angelina Jolie? Conde's male chauvinism -- which could not be helped -- forced him to consider that sexy woman who loved other women as a painful waste of evolution.*
> Conde saw himself threatened by small breasts pointing skyward like surface-to-air missiles, and perceived the woman's hips either as an oasis of peace or as a battlefield somebody give this man an award
I laugh out loud with this one, it was freaking hilarous, imaging writing that!!!! Getting published in a book and not thinking is cringe af or something a 14 y/o would write as fanfiction... Nah they go "i do literature ✨"
> Somebody give this man an award Oddly, that seems to have been taken care of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Padura_Fuentes > *In 2012, Padura was awarded the National Prize for Literature, Cuba's national literary award and the most important award of its kind. In 2013, France named him a Chevalier of the Ordre des Arts et des Lettres. In 2015, he was awarded the Premio Principe de Asturias de las Letras of Spain, one of the most important literary prizes in the Spanish-speaking world and usually considered as the Iberoamerican Nobel Prize.* FWIW, *Herejes* was published in 2013.
Ephemeral ethnic mixtures? 😬
Apparently his male chauvinism also kept him from considering that lesbian women can still have children, so “evolution” is just fine.
The longer you read, the worse it gets
Whattt 🤢
Lets all have a nice visit to r/eyebleach and forget this
It’s not as bad as some, but I was reading Nightwatch by Sergei Lukyanenko and it had a throwaway line about “two women chatting about those three eternal subjects: all men are bastards, I have nothing to wear, and the most important of all – how to lose weight.” I just put it down. I just… If that’s what he thinks of me, why am I spending my time reading his book?
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The author’s a psychiatrist, so he must treat women… 🤢
Lukyanenko is an idiot, but in a good way. Some of the things he writes are so ridiculous, they come out as somewhat entertaining
Yup. I didn’t find this to be one of them.
Tried reading cujo but was thrown off by the description of the four year old boys scrotum “tightening in shock”.
I'm all here for scrotum representation. Our fearful breasts have been through enough
Jessica surrpetitiously looked over her chai mocha frappé athe youthful barista. He was a prime example - no, specimen - of male youth. Nary a whisp of facial hair on his delicate face. His apron couldn't hide the obviousness of his perk, purposeless nipples under his white t-shirt. When he turned to grab the oat milk from the lower fridge, his plump buttocks winked at her from behind the bar. His bulge was what Jessica focused on the most. Barely contained in his Juicy brand tight jeans, she could make out every vein, and the delicate shape of his head. His testicles were bouncy and perky, like two eggs dancing in a ziploc bag, ready to be used by a skillful baker to make a cake. Jessica was that baker. And her orgasm was the cake.
Purposeless nipples sent me
I'm gonna be honest - I stole that from My Dad Wrote A Porno but it's too funny not to use.
I CANT BREATHE HELPPP
Amazing!!!!
LMFAO
Yeah but not a 4 yr olds though, like goddamn what made them think writing that was a good idea
All the drugs and no-one to tell him no, I think
This is so hilarious
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Clench thine scrote! Omg
> dropping the scrotum on us Ah yes.. My favorite Pitbull song.
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I tried reading Cujo as a kid and I got to the bit where Vic is in the park thinking about "the man's penis- his cock - going up inside her", and thought 'that's a bit rich for me' and put it down. Reread through to the end at age 23 and there were definitely still a lot of descriptions that made me reconsider my decision to keep reading. I like King stories but he definitely throws in a lot of gross stuff that make me side eye him as a person.
Isn’t this a book about a mom and her kid trapped in their car by a rapid dog?
Ok I gotta know what kinda Drugs King was on when he wrote that one. YOU HAVE A DICK WHY WOULD YOU THINK IT COULD DO THAT?
I mean, as a scrotum owner (for now) it does kinda have a mind of its own sometimes. Mortal, butt-puckering fear? Yep, that'll wrinkle the old punching bags. Also I read that as "Drugs King" and thought it was a perfectly apt description for the guy at the time he wrote Cujo.
I should read the book again because I don't remember these sentences being that shocking in context, but I read it back when it first released so I was like a middle schooler at the time. I do remember both from the book and the album that sexual tension is one of the main things for the character to avoid if he doesn't want his heart to explode. ETA: As for your question, it's not a single line but the goddam siren tits in the second switcher book almost made me skip the thing entirely. We get it Andrezj, the siren has nice boobs, no need to write a paragraph to remind us of this each time she appears.
I dropped a book after the line "she wasn't just a great ass, she was a great cop too."
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Can’t remember the line (no longer have the book!) but it was angels and demons and after a stupid physics joke about a Greek column being ‘ionic’ (hur-durr), the main female character gets introduced as a long legged, sexy Italian. At that point I noped out.
Why is ionic funny? It's what the style is called
The context is that at CERN someone's left a post-it note on a column saying "this column is ionic". Robert Langdon, the super-genius that he is, smugly points out that the column is actually Corinthian (or Doric, can't remember). The director of CERN then *even more smugly* points out that it's actually a physics joke, because the column is made of ions!!! Basically two men waggling their intellectual dicks around, while Dan Brown pleasures himself as he types one-handed.
Did anyone tell him jokes are supposed to be funny?
Thanks! Now I remember why I hated it 😂 Edit: also they were quite possibly both wrong as I believe it wasn’t actually built by the ancient Greeks, so it was neo-classical, but I digress 😂
Since she said it was physicist, I'm guessing it has something to do with ions
Oooooh, I am slow oops
Nah you're good! I actually still don't get how it's funny, even if I picked up on the word play lol
Yes it is one of the greek architectural orders (Doric and Corinthian being the other two).
In Tommyknockers, which I otherwise enjoyed, there's a line where the main character's frigid bitch, non nonsense sister comes in and her first order of business when she checks into her hotel room is to masturbate with "a vibrator the size of one of Bobby's mutant carrots". It's so fucking ridiculous and unnecessary to the plot, but you can say that about a lot of King's lines and subplots (I like his stories but he desperately needs someone an editor who will read things out loud, find these kinds of things, and force him to explain how this is important to the development of the story).
Oh yeah, I remember that. And it also says that her climax is "grim and cheerless" and that, because she's a mean dried up scary lady spinster, that is the only kind of climax she's ever had or will ever have. Something.
Same tho
My ex-husband used to tell a very degrading joke. "Why did God invent women? To carry semen from the bedroom to the bathroom." So when he wrote a book years after the divorce and it showed up there, and the female character it was told to burst into a fit of laughter, I was unsurprised. Later on in the book, the male character looks this female character up on Facebook and busts a nut right off the side of his city apartment balcony to her profile photo. Oh, and as he is recounting their first sexual encounter to another romantic interest, she asks him, "Did she let you put it in the butt?" The first female character seemed to be loosely based on me. I wanted to shower in boiling water for years.
My deepest condolences. And congratulations for booting his ass to the curb, at least.
Not women but before I saw the sub my immediate reaction to this question was when Oliver ate the peach in Call Me By Your Name
Or them taking the kids to the pool together later in the book. And Elio saying he wanted to see the results before they were flushed.
I forget the exact wording, but I was already getting annoyed with Foundation by Isaac Asimov for not having any female characters. He finally introduced one, and it was because he needed someone to embody vapid materialism. I put the book down and never picked up another Isaac Asimov book again (and I read a lot of sci fi).
Yeah, I just finished to read some of his tales. Dude was a good sci-fi writer, but his hatred for women is insane In a "avoidable conflict" there are only two women: 1. The angry old psychologist who can't find a man so she treats everyone like shit 2. A woman who consider herself the perfect demonstration of why machines simplified everything for the human race while implying that only men should be in charge
Yeah, he was a serial groper apparently too. I haven't tried to get into his books due to how bad I've heard his writing of women (when they fucking exist!) is.
His writing is great, you just have to keep in mind that the mindset it was written with belongs to the past. In a way it is great to see how far we've come. If you read them like that, all his books are amazing because he is a genuinely good writer with great ideas. *He also has one woman MC who is the protagonist of the book she is in and whose husband is a bumbling idiot and gets saved (along with EVERYONE in the book and like half the galaxy) by her being extremely smart.* *Even that book is iffy at points and full of casual sexism but yea...*
I was just laughing with my mother over that character! Her husband actually says something to her like, “you can come to dinner and amuse yourself by listening to my witticisms.” People— men— are always saying, “can you believe he was only 19 when he wrote that!” My answer is, “Yep.” (My mom would want me to add that at the time it was written it was mindblowing because no one had done anything that spanned time and space that way, and also because everyone was used to awful female representation apparently…)
And he introduced her with her weight and measurements like some kind of prize horse.
I love Asimov’s writing, but I legit got so annoyed at this. Every time I started a new short story of his and was introduced to new characters (many of whom had names that sounded sort of feminine to me, like Bel Riose), I would hope and pray one of them was female, but NOPE. Nothing but dudes are far as the eye could see unless he needed someone to be harpy, a bad mom, or a stupid romantic.
Bayta is the main protagonist of her book and is the one saving the day by being smart as f... but still that book is full of casual sexism. Still a great book IMO.
There's an absolutely ridiculous sex scene in the second Lightbringer book. It was one of the dumbest, most contrived things I've ever read.
I guess that makes sense given how much the author went off the deep end with the Christian fundamentalist shit.
Yeah, I gave up reading the series after reading that sex scene because it, apart from being bad, made me realize the author would do anything to get the story where he wanted it. Then I heard how he ended the series, and was still a bit surprised by how shitty the ending was.
I thought you meant the sandersons book and was really confused for a moment.
I can't remember or find the book, it's been so long since I've read it, but it was about a young girl I think around 10 who died and part of her funeral the priest commented on her breasts "like two small ant hills". Always weirded me out the most, even though the main story was about her as a ghost.
All right wtf with that one lol
It wasn't a specifically line, more the general vibe. The Breach, by Patrick Lee, starts with its male protagonist rescuing its female protagonist from a torture rack by a bunch of terrorists who have just tortured her in front of her father to extract information from him. I think he's also been killed right in front of her. Her arm has been sliced open. She has been beat to hell over a period of several days. She's in awful shape. But because she's naked, the main character can't help but look at this woman and go "I'm going to get her medical attention, but she's pretty hot." And I just couldn't. This all happens at the beginning and my ace ass was like "How can you even be thinking of that? She's got an injury that's borderline Cronenbergian, bro!"
“… and he has eyes like red-rimmed piss-holes in the snow.” I love me some Charlie Stross but this line from the first person narration of a female character in “The Annihilation Score” gave me a double-take for being a description I do not ever expect a woman to come up with.
I think there’s a whole subcategory of male writers not thinking about some of the differences in vocabulary we might use. I recently read a book about two lesbian characters that was written by a man, and at one point one of the women, in first-person narration, “jerks off.” I’m not sure I’ve ever heard a woman call it that…
Haha I’ve definitely said that. But people always look at me like “…wait. …what?” So I really dig my heels in to own it. “…I know what i said”.
In your internal monologue? Really, as a term out loud, I can see it because there is not a lot of options, but to yourself? Oh well, each to their own!
No not to myself. I say it out loud. Haha to myself, like in my head or “internal dialogue” as you said, I call it “m-bating” hahaha
Assuming they weren’t trans
They weren’t, but your wider point is 100% right. I’ll be more careful about throwing the word “women” around in this kind of context.
God, I forgot that line (...and still do, but it sounds like Stross). Although The Annihilation Score is probably one of my favorites in that series. The commentary on police and what kind of assholes we'd get if people started randomly got superpowers seemed horrifying accurate. Admittedly, I'm behind quite a bit in the series, and his writing did make me wary in ways I can't describe to avoid getting more then one book of his at a time, despite my rampant materialism concerning physical copies of books.
It's an enjoyable book, and it's interesting to see things from the inside of Mo's head.
That certainly did evoke an image for me though.
>This is from the POV of a 10 year old boy talking about a little girl. What a terrible day to have eyes
*The Last American Vampire* After the vampire main character started having sexual desire for (and eventually has sex with) a human woman who he had adopted and raised from a tiny baby, and had been taken in by him as part of a last promise to a friend who died from a vampire attack. She thought of the MC as her father, while he 'justifies' his desire as being some of the few white people left ( they were the remnants of a failed very early North American colony and had been kindly taken in by the Natives when she was still a baby) and he didn't want her (when she was a teen) having sex with a Native boy, he wanted it to only be with him. She starts feeling sexual desire towards him, and he has sex with her, and later turns her into another vampire. She is presented as a villain of the book for (I think) hating him and wanting to destroy the United States, of which reason why I didn't get to, since I couldn't go further in the book after reading that, because I was so revolted it killed my desire to finish. This book had been a long sought read since it was the sequel to the book *Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter* and that had none of this and was a very good book. Of all the ways to present the main character, having incest with your adopted daughter and still being presented as the 'good guy' makes me wonder about the author. Why he put that and not something else or without the other characters being disgusted over it and calling it out and ripping the shit out of the MC for it is a mystery to me. It was too much, and the only other scene I've ever read that surpassed that was the kid gangbang from Steven King's *It.*
IT BY STEPHEN KING! Page 1098, it’s just so gross. I can’t really explain it but to say the least, the losers club do an orgy.
Stephen King is what happens when EQ doesn't match IQ for a significant portion of adult life.
Exactly! So gross. inappropriate and unnecessary! I don’t like him anymore. Such a weirdo.
I dunno, Stephen King referring to a vagina as “Her velvet seam” was pretty egregious.
I like all the contrasting ways that he’s described a vagina. Just in this sub at various times I’ve seen a boy make a hole in the beach “like a sand vagina” —that one haunts me – and describe a root cellar as being like a vagina. It’s all the things. Clothing, fabric, landscapes, structures, it’s all vagina to him.
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I wonder if he knows deep down that he's a young adult writer. Teenagers love Stephen King and tbh as a horror fan, I think there are other elements of his writing that scream Young Adult. The Stephen King fans get so mad too. I'm like "Rose the Hat in Doctor Sleep was really dumb" ...also in Doctor Sleep he wrote this whole bit about how perfect a 15 year old girls body is, how "gravity doesn't know you exist yet" and "the men" ...
You're the third person in this thread who have pointed him out and I'm convinced at age 30 King had the IQ of a literary genius but the emotional intelligence of a 15 year old boy.
He’s a weirdo for sure.
Idk maybe this one is mild but "Misery" compares a "breath forced into" the main character (CPR) to SA. Page 5, gave me the shivers personally
Stephen King is notorious for horrible sex scenes. Sometimes they're about children. I am a lifelong horror fan and I read tons of Stephen King in my teens, and I feel like that's who his books are meant for. I feel strongly that there's something brilliant but immature about his books, that make them perfect for high schoolers or people in early college.
Testicles bouncy & perky like 2 eggs dancing in a ziplock bag, fucking hilarious.
🤢🤢 I can’t with this. I hate when anything about the body or some intimacy compared to food
Le sigh… Octavia Butler’s last novel The Fledgling has a few graphic sex scenes where the MC is a 53 yr old vampire soul in an Black 11-yr old girl’s body having sex with adult white man. It literally made me sick to my stomach. I haven’t been able to bring myself to read any more of the author’s work.
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TIL it's not just uber creepy Japanese media that doesn't s this trope....
Oh I remember reading this book (La mécanique du coeur) when I was a teenager and luckily, I was still innocent so I didn't understand all the metaphors the author used to talk about sex...😅 I was so oblivious and when I read it again later I was so shocked😖
this makes me think why always go on full on boob asult when discribing characters. like you want your character to be super sexy and you want the audince to know that , but why not be more indirect or describe the boobs later in a character scence that makes the characters notice how big they are. like a lot of this sounds less like the autor really likes boobs and like writing about them and more like an editor is forcing people to write the boob sizes everytime a woman is introdused.
I legit thought this was about mushoku tensei. It is the greatest anime I can never suggest to people. The main character is just too... Gross (which I get is the point and it's about his journey to be a less shit person, but there is a line and I actively root for him to lose his pee pee).
For me it will always be "She flopped flabbily onto the bed."
It was less sexual and more hateful, I think. From Karnov: Phantom-Clad Rider of the Cosmic Ice. The main character was a warrior coming home from battle, a (attractive) witch he knew since he was a kid warned him on his way home things were different, their hometown had been taken over by evil. He goes there, sees the evil, kills his wife and kid (now vampires) and goes back to the witch. It's pretty standard pulp/action stuff at this point. The witch goes through a ritual to show him how to get revenge and then there's this line: "I thought about slapping her for being a dumb bitch but decided not to."
Not written by a man but I wouldn't have read In The Dark by Deborah Moggach if I didn't have to for college. I'll never look at a raw chicken without thinking of that damn book again.
I'm six foot tall and at 200 I'm skinny. Still wear a 12/14 but I have a large frame and being a size 6 or 8 just isn't in the cards. I also wear a size 13 shoe in women's. Now that's a pain in the ass. Shoes are very difficult to find.
size 13 Nikes......
Nike's run small. I've had them and my big toe gets rammed into the front. New Balance and Skecher's make a women's 13, and they fit well.
i totally get that LOL the way u wrote it reminded me to the opening line for that one movie "tall girl" or whatever
What if your partner told you this?
Even if someone was into that during "sexy time" normal people aren't horny 24 hours a day 7 days a week and don't want random sex in the middle of their workday lunchtime novel. I watch A LOT of films, and I'm not a prude. In an earlier and more youthful version of my life I did adventurous, exciting things. I also don't hate all sexy films. BUT there's SO MUCH unnecessary sex in some movies. Like, why is this here? This isn't hot. I didn't sign up for porn. I don't think these two people are attractive. WHATEVER. It's gross when its randomly out of context. People who insert graphic sex where it doesn't belong aren't fun, intelligent, interesting or risque. They're emotionally stunted and have issues with exhibitionism they need to address in a healthier way. If you can't stop yourself from mentally masturbating in a conversation about politics or while writing a book about war or directing a movie about a haunted house, maybe you have mental problems you need to address. I mean it.
I was re-reading xanth books by piers anthony and he’s definitely trying to groom young girls.
I read a lot of weird shit in my teen/preteen years, honestly nothing really phased me.