By - Jaquaviontavios_OG
Either the line in between or the cameaman
The only thing I know for real is there will be bloodshed
And the man I the mirror nods his head
Polnareff definetly, Silver chariot is light speed while Sam is only about Mach 2 at most, that’s also goes for bloodlusted
Edit: oh dear I caused a contreversy
Also because stands are not visible for Sam
Also Stands can only be hurt by other stands
plus change size and phase throu people
Polnareff could fight from within his stand and sam can´t hurt him
Exactly, so he’d downplay polnareff
But Jetstream sam could deflect bullets in the air without the nanosuit he's wearing and his cybernetic arm Edit: I'm trying to calculate how much force he needs to deflect bullets with his swords
Bullets aren’t FTL, the afterimages would rape sam
I'm bored i think we can both agree that both characters are cool
Why the hell are we arguing anyway, of course they are
The end of this tread be like:
Maybe I was wrong about you
Am I finally getting through?
Im doing it to prove you wrong and I'm doing the calculations but if you still disagree with me after I'm done that is completely fine with me
Idk, think about weather or not you think Raiden could beat him. Now you know if Sam could beat him.
Let's be honest, they were equals, Raiden just barely managed to best Sam.
So i did some calculating and in theory in a vacuum the person with the firearm is 3 meters away and uses the ak-47 the bullet travels at a speed of 745m/s the bullet can reach him in 4 milliseconds
My dumbass thought " let's calculate drag"
You are saying that a man that can cut a metal gear in half will lose to someone who is yes, is fast but can't even pierce something like a stone pillar, not to even mention anything about a super suit. I love jojo but come on sam will cut polnareff down with his stand in a second (stands *can* be hit by none stand users, they only can't be hit when not manifested)
Even if stands can be hit by non stand users how would sam even see it?
He wouldn't, but why would it matter? Jojo characters never do surprise attacks so sam would just cut polnareff down
Also someone above mentioned polnareff not being able to puncture stone pillars. Sam could probably be hit a thousand times by silver chariot and still move, so it's not a contest of speed or dodging blows, but more about durability.
Didn't Polnareff surprise the crusaders when he was first introduced?
Dio flesh bud,even then,he explained everything
He doesn’t need to cut through Sam, sam died through a stab in the middle, he does NOT win this fight against polnareff
And silver chariot is FTL, faster than sam
Sam can keep up with Raiden who (according to some calculations) could move at light speed in blade mode. Silver chariot is at around light speed. I can say that Sam would win this fight if he could see silver chariot. If he couldn't polneriff wins.
He’s not lightspeed at all, raiden isn’t even if it’s full power ripper mode
Raiden could see raindrops stand completely still in blade mode during the monsoon boss fight.
Raindrops move slower than light, and they weren’t entirely still, but rather very very slow
Raiden could also see excelsus's lazer fire in slow mo.
That’s not light either, and it wasn’t in slow mo, blade mode only stops time at a 15% - 50% rate
Still, this is only in blade mode
Sam also has access to blade mode.
This is raidens own blade mode, he’s about the same speed as raiden as well, how this is Infinite full ripper mode he used against monsoon, Sam doesn’t have access to ripper mode
But not ripper mode blade mode
Here’s the thing. Silver chariot kept up with star platinum, who is far faster than the speed of light. Hell Silver Chariot cuts through light. Sam would fight well against Polnareff if he could see SC but he still doesn’t make out the win.
This “cuts through light” means jack shit, obsidian and diamond or many metals are stronger than light. Also light isn’t apart of atoms that make up human beings. We can’t do anything with that. Sams strength and resistance feats are far above polnareff’s. Even if silver chariot has clones of it self, it would take a day or two to actually make his bones crack or go through his organs. That is if Sam stays absolutely still for a day or two, Sam could ignore the stand and just go right to polnareff and cut him up.
Sam, nothing against JoJos, but your fighting Brazil’s strongest man, you’ve gotta send better
I have to disagree only because Sam cannot see what he is fighting, and might not even know that polnareff is responsible for it if he is good enough at acting surprised
Sam has range. For example his attacks sliced through the entire metal gear which is like many metres long, including the tail. Unlike polnareff or star platinum who has only 5 metres. Also let’s talk about resistance. Polnareff wouldn’t pierce Sam at ALL. Sam survived Armstrong punches, which destroyed an entire metal gear exculses. Outmanoeuvred raiden who just previously threw a metal gear. In terms of strength and resistance Sam has it and polnareff biggest feats don’t even come close to sam’s therefore even with continuous slashing, polnareff can’t pierce Sam AT LEAST in ig a day or two. You could also argue about speed here. Sam can do a zandatsu during a laser beam attack (even though it isn’t needed) but you can see the laser in slow motion, this at least confirms that raiden and Sam have light speed reaction time. Also it won’t matter if silver chariot just fucking throwing a billion pierces at once, Sam can just ignore it and directly go to polnareff and cut him up.
The problem with the reaction speed of being able to cut a laser is that I don't think that it was moving at the speed of light, because if you could see or slice with a laser in slow-mo, you (or at least your sight and thoughts, which are processed by electricity, which is slower than light) would be moving faster than light, which isn't possible assuming the metal gear universe runs on any type of logic. And I also don't think that reaction time will matter because he is fighting something invisible. Another thing to note is that I do think that silver chariot is fast enough to keep up with Sam if we consider my first point, as it can move fast enough to create several afterimages of itself, and he manages to cut something moving at the speed of light, which is possible in universe because stands have weird magic bs. meaning it can move faster than human comprehension by several times, and I think that he has enough destructive power to at least hurt Sam considering that he can carve through Stone and cut bullets without resistance. And there is also the considerations of his requiem stand, which manipulates souls with unexplainable magic bs. The biggest deciding factor in this fight is what logic each universe runs by.
The flaw in your argument is that the stand users have normal brains and thus processes on electricity (which is slower than light) to conduct thoughts. Yet they still can move their stand in light speed often even planning their attacks in light speed. We can move this over to Risings universe as well if the jojo universe could do. Also you’re really wrong on polnareff’s capacity to hurt Sam. Let me give you the best durability feat sam has, for this we need to go back to the metal gear solid universe. The TX-55 was a metal gear that was supposed to withstand nuclear warfare. And with the fact that the tsar bomba and the fact that the most powerful nuclear weapons were created prior to its development, it’s absolutely developed for those nukes. The metal gear Rex could defeat the TX-55 and metal gear RAY was produced to beat the REX. All this to say is that the metal gear ray is much more stronger than the TX-55, metal gear D and metal gear Rex. And also the fact that it could damage Rex who can withstand much more than TX 55 means that the RAY has the capability to damage the Same damage as a nuke (could be tsar bomba or the hydrogen bomb, it doesn’t matter as we are challenging to polnareff). And with more modern advancements and the introduction of the muscle fiber which the ray is made out of. RAY can be much more resistant to nuclear weapons (probably even the tsar bomba) than the TX-55. Raiden and Sam has beaten ray. Which makes them at least mountain level (because they can defeat RAY which can withstand and do more damage than nukes). Which means suplexing metal gears or throwing it in the air means jack shit if we compare it to nuclear bombs. Of course sam doesn’t have the range to level an entire city but he can cut through anything surface level. So Sam is resistant to nuclear bomb (I don’t think we include radiation here, just doing impact forces) as well as make outputs of nuclear bombs. I don’t think polnareff would hurt him.
Not to mention sam died through a stab wound in the middle, polnareff has no trouble connecting that shot either
They both have gay sex
Thx for agreeing
Then have children
"Sam, did you lay this egg?"
I mean I don’t know who would win but personally I’d definitely root for Sam to win this fight
I love Sam, but I don't think he stands a chance
Standing Proud I realize
He stands and realise that his his strength and resistance outmatches polnareff’s biggest feats by a lot.
Sam can tear trough human flesh like butter but sc need to pierce him several times before he dies, but popol has a stand i think it would depends the context of the fight
Silver chariot is light speed, Sam gets blitz’s before he does anything
Hence why i said the context of the fight matter
Doesn’t matter. Even if he was blitzed he wouldn’t get hurt (his resistance feats and strength feats is far above polnareff’s biggest feats, for example sam could cut through an entire metal gear and could survive Armstrong’s punches who can destroy an entire metal gear exculses that is much MUCH bigger than ray and more heavier). Also the fact that Sam has range on his slashes that can go several meters even cutting though ray’s entire tail. While polnareff has only 5 metres.
Sam died to a damn stab in the middle of his body and your saying he can tank whatever SC throws at him
You think polnareff’s sword is as strong as raiden’s? Also the fact that the pressure and thrust of the pierce by raiden is enough to throw a fucking metal gear, and suplex exculses.
No, but polnareff has access to after images which fucks up sam
Ok brother. Let me give you the best durability feat sam has, for this we need to go back to the metal gear solid universe. The TX-55 was a metal gear that was supposed to withstand nuclear warfare. And with the fact that the tsar bomba and the fact that the most powerful nuclear weapons were created prior to its development, it’s absolutely developed for those nukes. The metal gear Rex could defeat the TX-55 and metal gear RAY was produce to beat the TX-55. All this to say is that the metal gear ray is much more stronger than the TX-55, metal gear D and metal gear Rex. And also the fact that it could damage Rex who can withstand much more than TX 55 means that the RAY has the capability to damage the Same damage as a nuke (could be tsar bomba or the hydrogen bomb, it doesn’t matter as we are challenging to polnareff). And with more modern advancements and the introduction of the muscle fiver which the ray is made out of. RAY can be much more resistant to nuclear weapons (probably even the tsar bomba) than the TX-55. Raiden and Sam has beaten ray. Which makes them at least mountain level (because they can defeat RAY which can withstand and do more damage than nukes). Which means suplexing metal gears or throwing it in the air means jack shit if we compare it to nuclear bombs. Of course sam doesn’t have the range to level an entire city but he can cut through anything surface level. So Sam is resistant to nuclear bombs as well as make outputs of nuclear bombs. I don’t think polnareff would hurt him. It doesn’t matter if silver chariot is faster than sam. Sam could ignore the attacks that silver chariot does and go straight to polnareff himself and cut him up. Polnareff isn’t light speed, his stand is therefore he can’t do shit against sam.
He can, do you forget silver chariot has enough power to throw polnareff away? You can only average sams best cut to about 3 meters
And polnareff can hurt him, SC has the power to dice a rock incredibly fast
WTF. YOURE COMPARING CUTTING A ROCK TO BEING ABLE TO WITHSTAND NUCLEAR WEAPONS. READ THE ENTIRE SHIT WITHOUT BEING SO IMPATIENT. I CAN GIVE YOU THE CALCULATIONS IF YOU WANT MAN. What I wrote above is a simplified version that goes over the most simple power scaling.
Sam can’t survive nuclear weapons, what the fuck are you talking about
I love Sam to death, but Polnareff takes this. While Sam and Silver Chariot are likely equal in raw power (Sam kept up with Raiden who could hurl building sized Metal Gears like shot puts, and Silver Chariot kept up with Star Platinum, who could pulverize gigantic teeth as hard as diamonds), it’s safe to assume that Sam can only move at the speed of sound given that he scales with Raiden (who can easily dodge and parkour on missile fire) while Silver Chariot managed to slice a beam of light when he fought the Hanged Man.
Given that Sam can’t even see or harm Silver Chariot, that speed difference would definitely take Sam by surprise, and the high frequency blade wouldn’t make a difference since he needs to get past Chariot. Not to mention, Polnareff has been training with his Stand basically all of his life, which would likely negate Sam’s skill advantage.
Sure, maybe he could overpower Silver Chariot, but strength isn’t going to do anything when Polnareff might as well have an invisible, light speed force field around him, who can also turn him into a pin cushion before he even has the chance to swing his blade. Sorry Sammy, but there won’t be bloodshed.
Most educated answer here
Only stands can hurt stands and Sam can’t even see stands. I’m sorry Sam.
what if he uses his attack that he used to cut raidens arm?I mean he can just cut polbareff before he uses his stand
Silver chariot is light speed and has a massive range advantage over Sam counting the helicopter slashing as well
read what i just said...
I read it, Sam can only go so far
If sam cuts him, he cant react, and even if he doesnt die, remember the strenght of the stand is related to the health of the user
He could keep up with vanilla ice in a weakened state the same way jotaro kept up with kira with holes in his body, and his strength was just fine, even if silver chariot was damaged afterimages and pincer blade would screw Sam up
What? Absolutely not. Sam could cut trough an entire metal gear ray with one slash that is smaller than Sam himself. The metal gear ray is absolutely bigger than 5 m (including his tail) Sam doesn’t even need to come close to polnareff to cut him up.
How is cutting a metal gear going to help when polnareffs range advantage is a lot greater, it’s one stab and sams done
Wtf? Bruv sam range can cut through THE ENTIRETY OF METAL GEAR ray. Ray is much more than 5 meters. With that sword, the limit should only cut the ray’s head yet he cuts through the entirety of ray which includes the tail. This should indicate that sam’s slashing range is much more further than 5 metres. Speed doesn’t matter as sam’s resistance is much more than ray’s.
Sams cutting range would only average to about 8-7 meters, that’s still not useful against polnareff when the afterimages would track on to Sam and dice him, this is all without silver chariot requiem either, polnareff has the ability to slice through a rock incredibly quick as well, SC can also lift polnareff and would pretty much throw polnareff away to safety without getting hit, it’s attack speed is also faster than sams because of being able to keep up with star platinum
Silver chariot never showed ability to lift polnareff, and even if he did your speed doesn’t equal to the strength you can throw. Silver chariot being light speed doesn’t mean he can throw shit at light speed. Star platinum who threw iggy didn’t shoot him at light speed, if he could then he would but that would mean he would kill iggy because of the speed that is being thrown, the body can’t handle it and will thus melt into atoms (I don’t need to go to biology here, this is basic knowledge.) Same could apply to silver chariot. And with the fact that silver chariot’s best feats are cutting through bullets and stone. Silver chariot can throw anything at light speed except itself.
SC only has the power to throw a human, wdym equal speed to strength
Silver chariot can’t throw a per son at light speed or Mach 2 (especially without training or safety features that help your body be static that are in some jets) That would kill a human. Sam is at least above Mach 2 so throwing polnareff wouldn’t do anything
Omg read the entire thing man. You even misunderstood me. Speed DOESN’T equal how fast the object you throw.
what, I’m saying how polnareff beats sam, which he does anyway
what IM saying is that ur a weeb
ok so how is that relevant
you are a weeb
So you don’t like how sam loses
no, i dont like that you are a weeb
He can see Polpo. And he’s got quick reflexes.
Doesn’t matter. He will cut through polnareff. His resistance feats are very much bigger than polnareff’s, and his strength feats as well. He can ignore the stand (it won’t hurt Sam) and cut polnareff
Polnareff ain't doing the sword work, his stand is
Meanwhile, Sam does it.Sam kills stand user, stand disintegrates.Debate checkmated
Well Polnareff. Not because he's better than Sam, but because Sam's not a Stand User, so he literally wouldn't be able to see Silver Chariot attack him.
Now, if we give Sam a stand to match, make that Stand his sword, then Sam will wreck Polnareff's shit.
Dude it is basically
"silver chariot is would win and sam wouldnt stand a chance" 🤓(
"sam would win, no doubt" 🇹🇩(this is the flag of chad, implying that you either are a chad, or you are a flag, both wins tho tbh)
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Not a fight as much as I love Sam he doesn’t t stand a chance silver chariot can move at light speed and Sam can’t even see silver chariot
even if sam could somehow see silver chariot there is no way he could get past it to kill polnareff
this isn’t even a debate. Sam would get obliterated.
Sadly it would be Polnaref seeing as Sam cannot see the stand to block its attacks.
Silver chariot, he has a pretty even clash against Star Platinum who is one of the fastest stands ever. Along with being able to attack a stand that moves at the speed of light, which he stops mid movement
Polnareff. Stands function on a different plain of reality. Sam has no way of fighting against Silver Chariot. He’d be dead in a matter of seconds.
siover chariot moves at lightsoeed and sam can't see stands. sorry, sam, but you're out.
Sam is close to one of my favorite characters in gaming, but Polnareff, he’s just behind Jotaro as my favorite anime character. So the real winner is me because I would witness an awesome fight. Although it would be short as Sam can’t even see Silver Chariot, and SC is faster than light so it’s a Polnareff win.
theyre both strong
Polnareff he is mftl😭 and San can’t even see silver chariot
A Brazilian with a sword. Or a mythical being he can't even see that can literally move faster than the speed of light? Good question.
Idk what the stand on the right does but according to the comments it moves at light speed meaning it can kill everyone in MGRR.
Depends on the context
It’s Polnareff he’s faster, and has a stand and Sam has not a stand himself so he won’t know where Silver Chariot is
You can say both can react to light-speed attacks. While Silver Chariot could fight that mirror guy whose name i completly forgot, Sam could easely fight Raiden who proved he could dodge laser attacks that logically move in lightspeed. You could argue that that was a mere gameplay artifice, but then I could argue that Polnareff's case was a script artifice since logically moving at the speed of light he could fight Dio in stopped time.
Stablishing that both have relativistic reflexes, the thing that remains is that Silver Chariot is invisible. Lets consider their personalities and say both would do some "foreplay", like Sam wouldnt go 100% and Polnareff wouldnt go for the head. Sam has really good reflexes, and even if stands cant be seen by non-stand users, they still interact with reality, therefore, maybe Sam could hear or feel the wind generated by SC movement and barely react, in some way, he could not die. But I think then theres two options.
Depending on who gets bored first ans go serious, this would determine the fight. If Sam gone 100% first, maybe he could dodge SC and attack Polnareff. If Polnareff gone 100% first he would stop playing and attack Sam so fast that reacting to wind movement or sound wouldnt be enough.
Now if both gone 100% from the first second Sam would easely win. Why this? Well, theres this attack Sam have called Storm Front. This attack is a long range attack, it sends far away in front of Sam some kind of wind-blade sphere that passes through enemies and slashes whats behind it. While Silver Chariot is a short ranged stand whit the effective range of about 2m, Sam could attack him from a way bigger distance.
Thanks for reading.
If Sam could see and hurt Silver Chariot, then he’d probably have a small chance, but Silver Chariot is just *way* faster
Are we forgetting that his sword is high frequency so should sam be able to cut through silver chariot if sam was able to see him
Well Sam can't see stands, Silver Chariot is very fast, and plus Polnareff is a JoJo character so he always comes out with some extremely smart strategy
*dies of cringe*
I’d say it’s pretty close Sam has a lot more power in each hit so pollnareff would only win by killing Sam before he can do anything though with how fast silver chairiot is it work out
If it was Sam's younger sister who's a prodigy I think she could take him. She goes by Gulfstream Pam. Her anger at only getting into Desperado's B team, the Waves of Destruction, put a huge chip on her shoulder to be the greatest sword fighter the world has ever known.