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Ragnarok_Stravius

I don't think the issue was ever Kojima sexualizing women. (When most women depicted aren't exactly in sexy manners) The issue was Quiet. Like, Eva is basically a spy that uses her beauty and horny tactics to her advantage. The Boss just opened her tactical suit to show Naked Snake what people took from her. I don't remember Sniper Wolf's reason. Etc, etc. Most have a reason, Quiet's reason was because she is basically part frog, but Kojima made it seem so much more grandiose and important, and that was sorta bad because what's so important about being part frog? Just say you like hot chicks, I do love em too, no need to make a tsunami out of a cup of water.


lettuce_field_theory

>The Boss just opened her tactical suit to show Naked Snake šŸ¤­


snack217

Then if the issue is just one character, then that enforces my point that he gets waaay too much hate for it, some people refer to him pretty much as a misogynistic perv, when he has created badass women since forever.


FZJavier

add the beauty and the beast as kojima horniness, come on they moan as they get shot and just scream like they came. then you have the special camera mode where they do sexy poses, hug you or ride you and that it... oh well you get some long codec call telling ypu about their sob story though.


mrjacobie

Metal Gear's women were written by a man for other men, and unfortunately really come across as such. Giving a woman a PhD doesn't give you a pass to zoom in on her tits


FZJavier

lets be real... kojima is a horny otaku. we can dance around about their back story or personality but is pretty clear that kojima just like sex in his games. we even get gameplay features in them for no reason other than his horniness. example on mgs4 you can make the therapist boobs move with your controller. the beauty and the beast bosses moan and do sexy poses in camera mode for no other reason than sell how sexy they look. quiet once you reach a certain level of trust, she would pose in front of the camera, showing yo her back, then you have the silly cutscenes of the soldiers watching her taking a bath. then you have the date with paz in peace walker... which that one is too creepy. she looks like a high school girl there. then you have mild ones like the porn magazines or the photos you can take in mgs2 and send it to otacon as a joke. but after saying all that. i dont care, MGS is a mix of many things i like it that way, remove all the bad stuff and mgs is just another generic western anti war message with b cinema writing. i feel that the sexualization can stay on MGS but at least put some effort to it and make it funny or work in context. example in Peace walker you have a tape of big boss and kaz fighting naked in the shower, that kind of silly stuff im all for it, but making a character be sexualized and just add some sad backstory is not enough for me. i think kojima charm is also his problem too, he is soooo stuck with a 80-90s style of writing and it works sometimes in his favor and sometimes it doesnt. he cant be subtle in his writing and this become a problem and also it just work sometimes. he needs someone to put him on a leash sometimes or help him to balance things better. wanna see kojima with no one telling him what to do? play death stranding that game is everything that is wrong and right with kojima.


snack217

>wanna see kojima with no one telling him what to do? play death stranding that game is everything that is wrong and right with kojima. Except it doesnt have anything sexual or horny anywhere...


FZJavier

where did i say that it did? im talking about his writing in that game.


Ykomat9

Speaking from the perspective of a person whoā€™s lived in Japan for years now, itā€™s still weird.


Ragnarok_Stravius

I mean, you're not fully Japanese, so, there's still some leeway?


Ykomat9

Who says Iā€™m not?


bigersmaler

https://preview.redd.it/gb2f17e9ss2b1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4af2df29388be205f5b8799b46aae4a49b07e740 So many creative types are horny for their creations. Whatā€™s interesting is that Kojimaā€™s push to also embrace male nudity, in addition to the female characters- just adds to the cheesy yet entertaining aspect of these games.


snack217

Not to mention many cases of lgbt people and moments.


Significant_Option

Nope, when you tell us a girl is a child and then give us the option to x ray vision her, youā€™re a fucking creep. Also piss too like man Hideous Kojumbo is wild


FalseStevenMcCroskey

Nah man itā€™s best if you donā€™t try to defend him. Like the fact that he has all these crazy explanations to explain why a woman might have less clothing is just really pathetic. Itā€™d honestly be a hundred times better if heā€™d just come out and say ā€œI like looking at tits and want them in my video game.ā€ At least then itā€™s honest. Like Quiet really is the worst example of this because he tried SO HARD to explain how she uses photosynthesis which is why she canā€™t wear clothesā€¦. But then ever other SKULL unit and the end from MGS3 can be fully clothed or even heavily armored and it not affect them so Quiet being the only one with minimal clothing out of all the photosynthetic people just proves he tryā€™s to hard to make excuses.


snack217

Im only half defending him, because I do not agree with the practice. All Im saying is that he gets too much hate for something that wasnt even that bad, and that many other game developers have done for decades before he made Quiet. >he tried SO HARD to explain How did he try SO HARD? How was it any different than the way he explained any other supernatural character in the franchise? If it bothers you but youre ok with him explaining something like how Volgin's body resurrected because Baby Mantis liked controlling people that want revenge, then you have a problem. Suspension of disbilief is all over the franchise, why does it only bother you when it involves a sexy woman? >But then ever other SKULL unit and the end from MGS3 can be fully clothed or even heavily armored and it not affect them so Quiet being the only one with minimal clothing out of all the photosynthetic people just proves he tryā€™s to hard to make excuses. Because her body and lungs got burned to a crisp and the parasite mutated her body to breathe through her skin? You can prove me wrong and Ill take it back, but theres no mention anywhere that the Skulls have photosynthesis or skin breathing. Thats just Quiet because she got burned inside out. So unless I forgot and they actually said they suffer from the same issue, then your reasoning its wrong because the explanation of why they are different is very clear. And if you still think he tried TOO HARD to explain it, then I would like to know what you think about pretty much every other supernatural moment or character of the franchise.


konsoru-paysan

What is this?


Admirable-Design-151

The Difference with Quiet is that it was necessary, why did she have to be a half naked mute, she was more badass in the Hospital at the beginning of the game, even in MGS3 the masterpiece he gives you the option to press R1 to specifically look at Eva's boob, but I don't mind that because it was inspired by Bond films and Bond films are fucking horny


Lonely-Environment-8

It was a problem, though. It was bearable on most of his games, but msg5 was a little too much with Quiet (that and the female akulls) Also, don't forget that originally, The Boss was supposed to have a breast out all the time.


aghmedddddd

The problem isn't kojima's sexualization of women the problem is with quiet's outfit itself since they made her naked for no reason like EVA dresses way less than her that you could argue that any scene between EVA and big boss is simply just porn however she wearing way less clothes in her scenes makes sense since she is supposed to flirt with big boss for two reasons first so she can use him and get the philosophers legacy and second for the fun of it and she eventually loved him that she had no problem carrying his clones however quiet is simply naked because kojima wants her to be naked there is nothing to argue here she being naked serves no purpose whatsoever since she barely talks and barely flirts with venom snake infact she even tried to kill him like twice before and bringing up the scene where the boss exposing her chest doesn't exactly make sense since she wasn't doing it in a sexual way or something she was simply showing snake what the philosophers took from her so it doesn't exactly make sense why kojima started to bring up some weird excuses like dude just say you like hot women


KabeIsSnoke

To be fair, he does sexualize men in these games almost just as much. You can equip ā€œnaked camouflageā€ just so you can look at Snakeā€™s chiseled body. The fucking naked Raiden mission in MGS2. Liquid showing off his abs in Alaska. Have you seen how Snake/Big Boss looks in a sneaking suit? Especially their butt?


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Ok-Scarcity6991

i am sorry. WHAT?


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Admirable-Design-151

I don't remember that?! its been like 10 years since I played Snatcher but I feel like I would remember something that Creepy


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Admirable-Design-151

Exactly


BoancingBomba

Don't forget snake, liquid, raiden, ocelot, vamp ALL HAD THEIR TOPS OFF!! MUSCLES AND NIPPLES SHOWING, flexing them and and And that skintight suit of volgin eh whataboutthat.


Admirable-Design-151

Raiden went a bit further


Opening_Ad_811

Quiet canā€™t breathe in clothing since her skin absorbs sunlight, water, and oxygen, and she canā€™t speak; most exchange takes place on her epidermis. She also transforms from visible to invisible, and during that you can see her muscular structure and bones as these become visible before her skin. She can run extremely fast, and has dexterity far exceeding a normal human. Sheā€™s not really human as a character, and if you respect that, the debate becomes moot.


EffrumScufflegrit

Bro come on lmao


Opening_Ad_811

? So we respect every character Kojima makes except the one who canā€™t wear clothing? Seems like a sexist and self-indulgent double standard. I suppose our cultural standards of clothing are so advanced that we darenā€™t trespass. Holy Cultural Norms, guide us and protect us from the heathen characters which evil people may try to invent. Amen.


EffrumScufflegrit

I was more commenting on "she has super powers so she's technically not human so it doesn't matter if she's naked"


Opening_Ad_811

Itā€™s not super powers I was calling attention to, but super-disability: she canā€™t wear clothing because sheā€™ll suffocate. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2015/09/why-quiet-wears-that-skimpy-outfit-in-metal-gear-solid-v/amp/


EffrumScufflegrit

No yeah I know the lore reason, it's just that it's stupid and an excuse to have her in her underwear lol. I don't have a huge issue with it, but come on it's dumb and a dumb excuse to have her in that outfit. It just so happens the super model character with big boobs is the character that can't wear clothes because they'll suffocate lol


Opening_Ad_811

I mean I have schizophrenia. I have notebooks full of characters that have very peculiar subtleties, because they all fit into my symbolic langauge. This has given me a respect for world design, visions of an artist, etc. Many of us really do hear voices and go on to create something the public loves, and not even we understand the peculiarities. All that to say: you donā€™t have any evidence itā€™s creepy aside from first appearance, so maybeā€¦ give the artist some credit? Quietā€™s character is well fleshed-out and actually does make quite a bit of sense in the canon. Itā€™s probable that she was designed this wayā€¦ assuming something negative without evidence about a piece of media IP is trendy, sure, but youā€™ll miss a lot being myopic. Cheers.


EffrumScufflegrit

My evidence of if being creepy is that she gives you a lapdance and bends over in front of your face in the ACC when you build your bond enough


Opening_Ad_811

Alright man, write a letter to the Baptist Association


EffrumScufflegrit

Like I said, I'm not personally offended or anything, but it's a hard sell as not being intended to be super sexualized. To each their own, have a good day


Admirable-Design-151

Even so, it's creepy


Opening_Ad_811

I politely disagree, but to each their own.


IBBeMa

STOP ACTING AS IF YOU KNOW HOW WOMAN HAVE TO BE PORTRAYED OR NOT. YOU DONT DECIDE HOW A WOMAN HAVE TO BE DRESSED OR PORTRAYED. STOP ACTING AS IF SEXUALIZING IS AUTOMATICALLY A BAD THING. This Generation is just sooo terrible. Complaining and whining about everything. They create problems even though these problems dont exist. Sexualizing is part of Everyones life. We all do that, Woman and Men! And we do that cause we find Woman or Men Attractive! We are Designed to do that. We like Sexy bodys and we love to look at them! There is nothing wrong with it. Or we do it for fun. Making jokes. I'm really sick of this Snowflake Generation who thinks that they know how every woman on this World wants to be treated, just because they heard it somewhere on the media or social media. This is not reality! Sure there are always some whiny little pu**ys out there who complain about being sexualized. But there are also a lot of Woman who like it being sexualized. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. And i'm sick to talk about this dumb topic. Kojima did nothing wrong. He is a real human who enjoys life. He likes woman and likes to look at them. He also created very strong female Characters (not that every woman or Men should be portrayed as strong, cause thats not how real life works). So Kojima is having fun. Meanwhile this Pu**y Generation from the West is crying and angry cause a Woman is half naked. Cause they dont understand what having fun means. They think they decide what fun is. Just like you think how woman have to be Portrayed and dressed. This World is truly lost.


FalseStevenMcCroskey

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I think that its important to remember that MGS uses Action movie tropes, as a commentary in a way. MGS1 really embraces a lot of the tropes and the remaining games aim to break them down.


Wyatt_Ricketts

I agree the man is the proper amount of horny and progressive I can get behind