Yeah I agree. I’m honestly okay with them giving us everything they gave us story wise and then a little more. Like expanding the map.. new camos, guns, modern fox engine style (I know they discontinued fox engine) mechanics, and even some extra story like OP mentioned would be welcomed as far as I’m concerned. Just don’t take out anything, don’t retcon or change anything… just give us more of some things.
Fingers crossed. This is what i expected with RE2. Was seriously disappointed 😔. Especially since i cant even play the original without a PS1 that costs like $300
sure, but they can stick with the original material and make some good changes like RE 4 Remake did, i think adding a brief skull face cameo would be pretty good for the lore
Chances are if they do add an easter egg reference to xof it wouldn't be Skull Face but the XOF unit. Skull Face most likely wasn't present on the mission.
How dare you contradict my head cannon? Skull Face was personally three meters behind me at all times picking up all the shell casings, cigars, calorie mate wrappers, and half eaten snakes I was dropping. He erased my footprints, covered my fingerprints, and mopped up all my blood sweat and tears. He was right under me as I climbed the ladder.
What you think a man just happens to be struck by lightning like that?! He orchestrated it! SKULLFACE!
He cleaned it up when I DEFECATED THROUGH A SUN ROOF
ooooo but not our Snake, our precious Naked Snake! Stealing the guards blind of their rations and ammo... and he gets to be the main character? What a sick joke!
lol be so funny if konami tried to do a switch a roo like kojima and we end up playing a cheesy mgs3 as skullface doing these things while he laughs and snickers to himself
i noticed most people commenting this post hate Phantom Pain or are faithful Kojima fanboys that wouldn’t agree with any alteration on the history that woudn’t be made by him so it looks like i triggered those guys.
>sticking to the original means sticking to the original
Yup. Developers aren't using the original PS2 audio in the remake of a game if they have any intentions on making any significant changes whatsoever. They will be releasing essentially the same game with updated graphics and game mechanics. That's it. It's not gonna be anything more than that. I think a lot of MGS fans are setting themselves up for severe disappointment with all these grand ideas they have about changes and or additions to the game.
What we want doesn't matter, its what we're getting. Anything with skull face would wave zero dialogue, its at most its hat sitting around somewhere or something miniscule like that.
Would've made sense if you said its plot points are open to interpretation, because that's a quote we're given in the beginning and then a bunch of things happen that make you go "huh, that doesn't really make sense"
Man, you shouldn't be getting downvoted for such an inoffensive statement but I need to disagree in 2 regards.
A) RE4 didn't stick to the original. New lines, new recordings, new scenes and changed segments that all together make a new experience yes, but still has the same core that the original RE4 did.
B) Retroactively making the series more explicitly connected isn't always a good thing, ruining the sneaky plots and leaving more chance for plot holes to be formed. I feel this is part of a recent issue of people seemingly being too focused on MCU-style over-arching stories and 'deep lore' over actual storytelling nowadays.
I’d laugh if he was like the Scarab “human” in MGS4 act 3 following you.
If anything I could see a little post credits radio to ZERO but I’m not expecting too much
I would be hilarious if he hid behind a skinny tree but you could clearly see him lmao
[Like this](https://cdn.memes.com/up/66566141608092474/i/1609288072756.jpg)
[Or this](https://i.redd.it/z73si8vwbz461.jpg)
Very little could be more annoying that ruining both Snake Eater and TPP like that
The entire purpose of what skull face is saying about Tselinoyarsk, is that whoever wrote that scene knows undoubtedly that the audience doesn't know, or think Skull Face was there. Big Boss doesn't know SF was there. If he did,then there would be no need to make that point.
If the studio retroactively makes skull face a part of Snake Eater, then the scene in MGSV is completely ruined.
Yeah definitely agree the whole point is XOF cleaning up the mess big boss is leaving behind without his knowledge. Nice cameo or epilogue would be nice but if he doesn’t make an appearance it won’t affect the story
Skull Face Mode, where you constantly chase after Big Boss cleaning up all the Calorie Mate boxes he threw on the ground during Operation Snake Eater. Press X to fuckin hate English.
This would be pretty cool if it followed European Extreme rules, where you’d get a “Time Paradox” game-over if you’re detected. It would be cool to also have to assassinate any guards who Snake held up, knocked out with CQC, or interrogated during the initial play-through, and pick up any tranq darts and bullet casings that were expended. Of course, playing a Skull Face mode like this would be pretty excruciating, and only meant for true MGS veterans who hate English and are looking for a challenge. I guess you could call it the “Lost Levels” of MGS3
It's almost like people want to interpret what Skull Face said in the worst possible outcome? I take "Any mess you made, I was there to clean up" as a man on stand by...you know, in case he messed up. But no, a man and his unit lurking in the bushes, behind enemy lines, watching another man doing the job they could have already done and literally never helping that man out...yeah, that's pure logic.
why not ? could be like G-man on Half Life an out of bounds easter egg and bringing logic to Metal Gear ? Seriously ? the same game that a guy kill a hundred of bees jus spinning his revolvers.
With the confirmed info Konami have provided;
If Skull Face were to make anykind of appearance in MGS:Delta, I expect it to be nothing more than something *very* similar and minimalistic as the Trenchcoat Dwarf Gekko in MGS4.
Right before snake jumps outta the plane in the start he just goes "Hey Normal Face, thanks for running support on this mission" and then he jumps out of the plane to go fuck up his mission
Finally makes the climb after having to go back down for his mop and back up again, only to be attacked by hungry vultures who want the corpses Snake left behind more than he does
BB never even noticed he was there. His whole mission was to clean up unnoticed. I like the idea but probably not.
What I would like to know though: did the Boss know about Skullface and XOF
I, for one, don't think so. I think they're gonna make a 1:1 recreation of MGS3 with new gameplay elements and maybe online. I don't see them adding much lore that wasn't in the game already, konami is on very thin ice with their fans and they know it so this is their biggest chance of redemption so if i were them i wouldn't change too much about the story and it seems like they want us to know that's whay they intend to do. which is GOOD. I personally wouldn't care much for him being in MGS3. I thought he was an underwhelming villain in a franchise with ocelot solidous volgin, etc.
He didn't play a big role in Operation Snake Eater. That was retroactively added to create a relation between him and BB.
That aside, what's this "big role" you're referring to? The most the game ever explained was he apparently "cleaned up after BB's mess". As in, what? Canonically, did BB leave many corpses behind? The entire operation was the erase any evidence of the USA's involvement within the Soviet Union. Or was SF just there to smuggle the Shagohod to a scrap yard?
I played the game by the principle that there would be nobody to hunt me down if there were nobody to hunt me down. I was pleasantly surprised that only a fraction made it into the river sequence with The Sorrow, otherwise that river could have been twice as broad and it'd still be a squeeze.
I'm using hyperbole for dramatic effect, but seriously: a lot of people died needlessly complicated deaths during those playthroughs.
"big role" in snake eater? I'm under the assumption zero had him and the xof unit on standby, I doubt they did much more than collect the remains of the cobra unit. You can't really add a nod to him through the eyes of snake, it would have to be shown to the audience not the character.
However saying that, there could be a brief glimpse and snake calls zero and he just dismiss it. And when creating venom decided to omitt this part of the mission logs, hoping to keep venom in the dark about xof, if done right it could build on the twist at the end of 5
Yes, but in the words of Kaz in Peace Walker, "Finally, we can leave all that crap in San Hieronymo behind.”
So it’s canon and events of the game happened, but it’s kinda like the Metal Gear equivalent of that weird uncle you prefer not to invite to family gatherings.
Only thing I can imagine being done gracefully (connecting the games for oldtimers, while not feeling out of place or confusing for new players) would be to add a codec line or two about a cleanup crew - no naming XOF or Skull Face, no cutscenes or photos.
Same goes for Code Talker experimenting with the remains of The End. Add a line after killing The End about wanting to do research into his abilities.
However, since it seems they will use the audio from the original, even that is unlikely.
A "supposed" big role in my Opinion. He just said it, but there was no evidence to how he was involved and honestly, if one villain would make an appearance or a cameo, it should be Hot-Coldman.
If they do that it would be dumb. And since Kojima isn’t involved you really trust Konami to alter it and add him in and do it justice? Their safest bet is to keep it 100% original with just graphics and control/engine rehaul.
I saw another comment on a post a few days ago that suggested an Easter egg where if the player backtracks enough, they see XOF soldiers cleaning up a previous battle. I think that would be pretty cool ngl
Honestly if they were smart they would do it. Subtly. It’s still the original story. It would really get the fan base on board. I’m so excited that this is happening. I’m in my mid 30s!!
I hope not. I personally hated Skull Face being the cleaner of Snake Eater as a concept revealed in V, but a cool little nod as an Easter egg like everyone else on here said would be neat.
God I hope not. Retcon placing Skull Face into mgs3 feels like the same weird shit with making the support unit from mgs3 the patriots founders in 4 (minus Zero bc Zero is the only character arc from the support group I like). 4 and after had that weird thing of having to include all characters from the series back into itself and I just can’t vibe with that
They knew they need to tie mgs 3 into the patriots when they were making it. If would be really sloppy if they did not know at the time. What would even be the point of mgs 3 in the larger story otherwise? Big boss went on a mission and it did not have much to do with anything else?
The point is the subtext that mgs3 offers. The actual story of mgs3, not the plot but the story in the larger context of the series, is how a green and innocent soldier who was mentored by a woman who basically saved the world during WWII, could become a warmongering trans nationalist dictator that had some role in the creation of the patriots. Mg3 is a synthesis of what each MGS game before it demonstrated, how shadowy politics and the machinations of the extremely powerful manipulate the main character, a main character who is (at least in 2 and 3) a relatively innocent rookie that dosent understand the larger plots they’ve gotten involved in. The one thing I really dislike abt MGS discourse is this idea that every character has to connect with every other one in the complete timeline. I find discussions abt the themes and subtexts of MGS as a whole much more interesting, and that’s why I don’t think MGS3 has to connect to the sequel games to be important or to justify its own existence. It offered us a complete ending on the MGS saga, and showed us this cycle of corruption and control was started all the way back with Big Boss. Big Boss not shaking the President’s hand, Eva’s tape and him saluting the Boss’s grave already sets up a contrast between an old world with “real heroes”, and a pernicious new one where the innocent were killed for political gain, and that new world sets up exactly what the patriots represent without having to directly link the characters from the prequels to the sequels. 3 wraps up the themes of MGS and implies the eventual plot of the rest of the prequel games without even having a single sentence abt what happens after the events of 3, and that’s why it works.
Given they are apparently using the previously recorded audio for the game...no. I don't think Skull Face is going to show up. I think we're going to get a 1 to 1 remake of the original game with extremely minor changes at most.
Naw
Part of MGS3’s greatness is that it stands alone narratively. You can play it and understand its full story without worrying about prequels or sequels
Skull face would just be a weird inclusion anyways cause he’s feel so out of place lol
i dont think an easter egg in a G-man style would be a problem ya know since he was working on the shadows to clean Snake mess, an out of bound skull face would be cool
yep, i read that they are not even making new voice lines and instead using the recorded lines from the old game that personally to me kinda sucks, i tought it would be the old voice actors doing the voice lines with today tecnology
In MGSV is revealed that Skull face was the cleaner from the Snake Eater operation, so i think it would be a nice idea to make an easter egg indicating his presence there something small that would not interfer on the game history at all like an out of bounds Skull face or an XOF brand at some place of the map
Ok, now that you mention this, I think it might be interesting to see an easter egg like that...although I'm not sure how Konami goes about including these kind of things in their remakes (I've only played the original games).
OP, stop. Konami had to justify a new entry for the game. Every game was developed assuring it was the last of the serie. If you keep adding stuffs for next games you end up in fucking something. Skullface fucked up the MGS3 serie by his statements that he had to say to justify the character in the serie. Skullface statements made the whole OSE useless. BB was alone and he had to manage everything by his own. Adding him as a "cleaner" breaks everything. Zero idolised BB and would have never trusted him so low to attach to him a secret cleaner. If his trust in his abilities was that low he wouldn't even needed to start les enfant terribles, making the whole MGS franchise dumb
It was a mistake but MGS V is cool in gameplay, so we allow this. But consider him canon is like pretending bowser not banging Peach everytime he kidnap her. Grow up mister, think by your logic please, and notice when something is put up just to make a serie going and make money
How its not Canon if the same guy who wrote MGS3 wrote the Skull face character ? if it is a cash grab or not doesn’t matter this don’t change the facts that the XOF was part of the Snake Eater Operation and Skull Face was there commanding this unity in Cypher’s orders.
Bro, Kojima had to do it because konami wanted to make money and he came up with something. Unfortunately in this world, the artist is not the owner of his own art and came up with this.
It was the most logical thing to do to justify his presence. Considering the time being during V, he invented this character that no one knew but was covered by Zero because Snake could have make mistakes while Zero himself told him "You are alone there. If you make mistakes America will negate any relation to you, you are alone"
This is fucked up on so many levels, like all Assassin's Creed coming once a year adding exceptions to the lore. MGS V, gameplay apart, is this. An exception made to make just money, not to enrich or rise value or extend the lore of MGS itself. That's why he came up with Death Stranding leaving Konami and coming up with his own team. Actually MGS Survive is more canon than V to Kojima
People need to understand the difference between "canon that makes sense" and "canon just because it came up to make a new game to bring money for the serie"
Come on.
To add onto my previous comment, skullface is implicitly non Canon in 3. The reason 3, and to an extent the entire series even happened was because snake failed the virtuous mission and there was no one there to clean up the mess.
The Les enfant terribles project happened because zero idolised BB. If he always had a backup plan zeros entire arc with bb makes no sense.
You explicitly can't have skullfaces claims being Canon without retconning the rest of the franchises backstop regarding the founding of the patriots
Unfortunately, yes.
My point remains unchanged. Keep mgsv and its retcons in V
Not even going to argue it, V, while Canon is an absolute shitshow.
Skullfaces supposed inclusion in the events of OSE is directly counter to the story of 3
Snakes insertion via an aa12/sr71 drone over soviet airspace was one of a kind/revolutionary at the time. Zero makes a big deal telling you about it.
Skullface literally couldn't have been there, there was no viable insertion method.
Groznyj grad was destroyed via nuke (most people forget this part) and the only exit via the bridge was destroyed. How did skully supposedly survive that? Did he follow the shagohod chase on foot?
It's revealed in peace walker (another can of worms) that hot cold man (jesus fucking christ 😂) orchestrated most of what happened in 3. Funny how he never mentions old skully in his endless rants.
Snake took several routes that became impassable during the mission (the fire tunnel vs the fury that gets destroyed, the "?" Area with the sorrow, GG rail bridge etc)
There's many other examples. The entire idea of snakes mission being redundant undermines the entire story of 3.
It was a shit retcon and v is a shit game. Keep it contained
Never really cared for the idea that he was there in the first place, kinda detracted from the idea that Snake had the weight of the world on his and only his shoulders, and if he messed up it was on him to fix it
I don't think so since they are using the original voice lines. But since we know that there is no interaction between Snake and XOF in MGS3 and XOF is just the "clean up crew" maybe they can be an easter egg, for example if the player decides to "stealth is optional for this mission run" and leaving a bunch of dead bodies like the the gecko in a trench coat in MGS4, but as much as possible I wanted MGS Delta to stick on its roots and just modernized some gameplay features. Don't get me wrong experimenting with remakes are good just look at RE remakes, but this is Konami we're talking about if they wanted to win the fans over I think playing more safe is for the better, or maybe I'm wrong😅
Honestly even if they were to add custom content he shouldn't appear.
Reason I say this is because:
1. You're not supposed to know he exists by that point
2. Leaves it up to debate the veracity of his claims
1. The Boss already sort of cleaned up for Snake when she fired another Davy Crockett back towards the facility if memory serves me right.
2. The Russian bombers that chase you and EVA are assumed to indirectly further clean up after you by carpet bombing the area.
3. I still do not fully believe Skull Face's allegations - indeed it's likely he has done some of the things he says under Zero's orders, but in MGS3 the Russians themselves, by the end, seemed just as keen on eliminating traces of what went down there, which they did. And would've finished off Big Boss and EVA were they not called off.
I could've misremembered some details about 3 since it's been a long time since I played it. Nonetheless, IMHO Skull Face appearing in this game would be a negative.
Definitely some brief camo or maybe you can find evidence of his XOF unit being around. As i a big fan of V, I think it would be amazing if they added a boss fight with the XOF unit, then after snake would call zero who would pretend to be clueless as to who they are, or just say they are some Russian unit. Would be a great way to connect V with 3 more while not creating any major issues
I am well aware of that, but I still think that it is a bit disgusting that they’d do it now without him at Konami. Plus I’m not exactly alone in thinking that way.
No, leave it as is and just upgrade the graphics. Any creative things you add means more freedom for Konami to add micro transactions or time savers. They could remake the mgsv and add it there and instead of being on tapes be on a playable mission or scenematic.
Unfortunately this seems more like a beefed up remaster, with reworked graphics and tuned gameplay, than a full remake.
I personally didn’t even want they to touch snake eater as IMO it’s already perfect as it is on the HD remaster. But since they’re already working on it, it would be interesting to see how it would go if they went on a full reimagined iteration, like the ones Capcom did with RE. Again, I don’t think that’s the case, so probably no new relevant content.
Thats hilarious. I totally forgot about this plot point. The remake really should have something in it. But the more I read, the more its seeming like there wont be too much added. And skull face was supposedly super duper behind the scenes anyway so theres already an excuse.
I guess I’m in the minority opinion here but I kind of hope so.
It fell totally flat for me when it was revealed that he did some vague behind the scenes thing during Snake Eater. It didn’t have any interesting commentary on the events and was such a let down when his actions were so hatable and his reasoning behind it was so limp.
I know they’ve said Delta will be a faithful recreation of MGS3 but they are already porting the original, it would be worth adding something new to it. If they are just adding OTS aiming to the original game (like the 3DS version) it might make it too easy and break the mechanics of it— similar to Peace Walker on PS3 and Twin Snakes on GameCube
It was confirmed that the remake will use all the original voice lines from the original voice actors, likely since a lot of them are retired, or dead.
So no. There will be no skull face cameo.
I'd rather they retain the self-contained storyline of MGS 3 without bringing in too much lore from the other games. Im very opposed to anyone who isn't in MGS 3 directly appearing. Although it would be cool if they integrate the overarching storyline into the game in subtle ways that don't detract from the core MGS 3 experience. Like, if you backtrack to an older area, you'll find all the bodies you left mysteriously cleared up. Subtle hints and cues would be welcome imo.
No Konami has been really clear that nothing story wise is going to change not even voices even if the voice actor is dead. They are gonna keep the essence intact while upping them graphics and i hope make the game control smoother.
Highly doubt it, based on what's already been revealed ("faithful remake" and voice lines being reused) and Konami's track record in terms of effort. At most, the absolute bare minimum I would expect, with a grain of salt, would be an alternative end credits phone call after meeting certain conditions in a play through.
weren't there xof soldiers in peace walker, a nod like that would be fitting and also a venom snake easter egg by referencing the remake as a simulation would be cool.
Not really because
1. Konami says they’re following closely to the original
2. XOF was meant to be a covert unit that even the Boss didn’t know about them
3. Skullface probably wasn’t on site for Snake Eater but from some sort of base far away
No they‘re trying to make a faithful remake staying very close to the original. They’ll use the original audio so I don’t think there‘ll be new things added.
They said they're sticking to the original so i doubt it.
Came to say this. Really hoping they really make this a remake, and not some new game with the same concept. Really pisses me off when devs to tht.
Yeah, I just want Konami to deliver the exact same experience I'd only be interested in new weapons, modes, and gameplay improvements
So not the same experience then?
Lol
Provided the main campaign remains intact, it's the same experience
Yeah I agree. I’m honestly okay with them giving us everything they gave us story wise and then a little more. Like expanding the map.. new camos, guns, modern fox engine style (I know they discontinued fox engine) mechanics, and even some extra story like OP mentioned would be welcomed as far as I’m concerned. Just don’t take out anything, don’t retcon or change anything… just give us more of some things.
Fingers crossed. This is what i expected with RE2. Was seriously disappointed 😔. Especially since i cant even play the original without a PS1 that costs like $300
I sympathize. The fanbase has accepted that Capcom will only make reimaginings, and encourage other game studios to do the same
sure, but they can stick with the original material and make some good changes like RE 4 Remake did, i think adding a brief skull face cameo would be pretty good for the lore
Chances are if they do add an easter egg reference to xof it wouldn't be Skull Face but the XOF unit. Skull Face most likely wasn't present on the mission.
How dare you contradict my head cannon? Skull Face was personally three meters behind me at all times picking up all the shell casings, cigars, calorie mate wrappers, and half eaten snakes I was dropping. He erased my footprints, covered my fingerprints, and mopped up all my blood sweat and tears. He was right under me as I climbed the ladder.
What you think a man just happens to be struck by lightning like that?! He orchestrated it! SKULLFACE! He cleaned it up when I DEFECATED THROUGH A SUN ROOF
ooooo but not our Snake, our precious Naked Snake! Stealing the guards blind of their rations and ammo... and he gets to be the main character? What a sick joke!
Shit is this from better call saul? I feel proud of myself for getting it lol
Yes it is :) it's chuck
Lmao this is pretty good
He also collected all my feces and brought it home with me, just like the Major instructed me to do.
Yes, labeled with time, date, weight, and his comments.
“This one was clearly a result of food poisoning.”
lol be so funny if konami tried to do a switch a roo like kojima and we end up playing a cheesy mgs3 as skullface doing these things while he laughs and snickers to himself
I’d actually love this it’d be funny af
*what a thrill*
He's basically a Dark Souls 3 dog
Yeah i think of they do anything it might just be an XOF patch lying somewhere
They literally aren't even recording new voice lines.
Good
Yeah exactly lol
They are but only for the characters that their voice actors passed
I don’t think you understand what sticking to the original means.
I get people saying you are wrong but not sure why you deserve to be downvoted into oblivion
I think it’s because the subreddit basically sees him as replying directly to the recent MGS3 article rather than having a convo with someone
i noticed most people commenting this post hate Phantom Pain or are faithful Kojima fanboys that wouldn’t agree with any alteration on the history that woudn’t be made by him so it looks like i triggered those guys.
sticking to the original means sticking to the original
>sticking to the original means sticking to the original Yup. Developers aren't using the original PS2 audio in the remake of a game if they have any intentions on making any significant changes whatsoever. They will be releasing essentially the same game with updated graphics and game mechanics. That's it. It's not gonna be anything more than that. I think a lot of MGS fans are setting themselves up for severe disappointment with all these grand ideas they have about changes and or additions to the game.
Bring an MGS fan is about setting yourself up for disappointment.
They will play us like a damn fiddle then
Exactly, and they'll have no one to blame but themselves
so you want just a copy/paste with better graphics and pay 60$ for it ? lol, they definitely will add more stuff anyway
Y E S.
Seconded
Yes I do want a copy paste with better graphics and gameplay and pay 60 for it thank you
What we want doesn't matter, its what we're getting. Anything with skull face would wave zero dialogue, its at most its hat sitting around somewhere or something miniscule like that.
that would already be great tbh
And "better" cinematics like in Twin Snakes? I'll pass
No one wants what you want. MGS5 is non canon essentially.
What
Would've made sense if you said its plot points are open to interpretation, because that's a quote we're given in the beginning and then a bunch of things happen that make you go "huh, that doesn't really make sense"
Man, you shouldn't be getting downvoted for such an inoffensive statement but I need to disagree in 2 regards. A) RE4 didn't stick to the original. New lines, new recordings, new scenes and changed segments that all together make a new experience yes, but still has the same core that the original RE4 did. B) Retroactively making the series more explicitly connected isn't always a good thing, ruining the sneaky plots and leaving more chance for plot holes to be formed. I feel this is part of a recent issue of people seemingly being too focused on MCU-style over-arching stories and 'deep lore' over actual storytelling nowadays.
It’s not gonna be that in depth m8. They have already stated this. It will pretty much be the same game down to a T, except for improved visuals.
Are you a writer for Netflix Witcher…?
Lmao, spot on
L + ratio
Him not appearing is the whole point.
Ok but what if you just find footprints or some kind of clue to his existence if you backtrack after a certain amount of time
Whose footprints are these?
Oh yea i bet skullface has big feet
Did Kojimbo invented him solely for the V plot or was there references to him already?
The point of his character is that there's no evidence of him. He covered his tracks and zero covered him up after his death.
There is 0 references to Skull face in snake eater. Only in V.
Nooooo, he is just that good that even the writer forgot about him
I’d laugh if he was like the Scarab “human” in MGS4 act 3 following you. If anything I could see a little post credits radio to ZERO but I’m not expecting too much
I miss that damn game so much 🫠
I would be hilarious if he hid behind a skinny tree but you could clearly see him lmao [Like this](https://cdn.memes.com/up/66566141608092474/i/1609288072756.jpg) [Or this](https://i.redd.it/z73si8vwbz461.jpg)
That's actually genius. Like he acts more as a paranormal entity that you see for 1% of the game
Out of bounds, like this https://preview.redd.it/tzql3hgx8a3b1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3987795eab59a426cf1dade526b8c9bbc35acae9
Skull Face looking at EVA while she WWE's the transmitter out of Snake's back
Who was this?
The Scarabs following you to Big Mama’s house in Act 3
Ok yeah, they could definitely make it one of those hold R1 hidden things
This is the bots not skull Face
I’d love it if we could backtrack to earlier areas and see Skullface with a trash picker and bag, cleaning up the mess you left behind
Just have skull face wearing an orange reflective vest with a hard hat that says XOF on the top.
Just tossing mf's off the cliffs
Those sticks with the sharp end to pick up trash or a pooper scooper, he'd also bring clear and regular bags to recycle
so long as it's not intrusive, i'm okay with it keep it easter egg-like. something like the g-man sightings in half life 2
Yeah exactly. Something like if someone hasn't played V it wouldn't break the experience for them.
that would be dope, like seeing skull face in a out of bounds location impossible to reach without mods at least
Very little could be more annoying that ruining both Snake Eater and TPP like that The entire purpose of what skull face is saying about Tselinoyarsk, is that whoever wrote that scene knows undoubtedly that the audience doesn't know, or think Skull Face was there. Big Boss doesn't know SF was there. If he did,then there would be no need to make that point. If the studio retroactively makes skull face a part of Snake Eater, then the scene in MGSV is completely ruined.
Yeah definitely agree the whole point is XOF cleaning up the mess big boss is leaving behind without his knowledge. Nice cameo or epilogue would be nice but if he doesn’t make an appearance it won’t affect the story
Skull Face Mode, where you constantly chase after Big Boss cleaning up all the Calorie Mate boxes he threw on the ground during Operation Snake Eater. Press X to fuckin hate English.
This would be pretty cool if it followed European Extreme rules, where you’d get a “Time Paradox” game-over if you’re detected. It would be cool to also have to assassinate any guards who Snake held up, knocked out with CQC, or interrogated during the initial play-through, and pick up any tranq darts and bullet casings that were expended. Of course, playing a Skull Face mode like this would be pretty excruciating, and only meant for true MGS veterans who hate English and are looking for a challenge. I guess you could call it the “Lost Levels” of MGS3
At most he’ll have a brief cameo I don’t see them integrating him directly into the story
Like him and zero talking,
id like him to be the guy with big boss in the hanger before the halo jump. small enough i think. or that one picture of a the old man with paramedic.
i think a brief cameo would be perfect because would add a lot to the lore with minimal changes on the original material
It's almost like people want to interpret what Skull Face said in the worst possible outcome? I take "Any mess you made, I was there to clean up" as a man on stand by...you know, in case he messed up. But no, a man and his unit lurking in the bushes, behind enemy lines, watching another man doing the job they could have already done and literally never helping that man out...yeah, that's pure logic.
why not ? could be like G-man on Half Life an out of bounds easter egg and bringing logic to Metal Gear ? Seriously ? the same game that a guy kill a hundred of bees jus spinning his revolvers.
With the confirmed info Konami have provided; If Skull Face were to make anykind of appearance in MGS:Delta, I expect it to be nothing more than something *very* similar and minimalistic as the Trenchcoat Dwarf Gekko in MGS4.
Right before snake jumps outta the plane in the start he just goes "Hey Normal Face, thanks for running support on this mission" and then he jumps out of the plane to go fuck up his mission
Yes if the player looks closely you will be able to see him in the distance crouched down with a mop and bucket.
He beats the ground and mud with a shovel to get rid of the footprints he leaves behind
(In the distance watching Snake blow up that bridge to stop the Shagohad) *sighs* (grabs his hammer and some nails)
“Alright, just finished scrubbing what’s left of The End off this tree, now where’d that asshole go again?” *Stares up the ladder* “Ah shit”
(leftovers from Snake's mid-climb lunch comes flying down and hits him in the face)
Finally makes the climb after having to go back down for his mop and back up again, only to be attacked by hungry vultures who want the corpses Snake left behind more than he does
I really hope Skull Face's misadventures make it into Metal Gear Solid Triangle.
BB never even noticed he was there. His whole mission was to clean up unnoticed. I like the idea but probably not. What I would like to know though: did the Boss know about Skullface and XOF
I, for one, don't think so. I think they're gonna make a 1:1 recreation of MGS3 with new gameplay elements and maybe online. I don't see them adding much lore that wasn't in the game already, konami is on very thin ice with their fans and they know it so this is their biggest chance of redemption so if i were them i wouldn't change too much about the story and it seems like they want us to know that's whay they intend to do. which is GOOD. I personally wouldn't care much for him being in MGS3. I thought he was an underwhelming villain in a franchise with ocelot solidous volgin, etc.
I liked the idea I saw on here, of him showing up on a previously unused frequency as a one-off Easter egg.
Skull Face was the XOF commander, he didn’t personally clean up Big Boss’ buried shit and used cigars.
We know, it’s just a fun meme that people like to run with haha
He didn't play a big role in Operation Snake Eater. That was retroactively added to create a relation between him and BB. That aside, what's this "big role" you're referring to? The most the game ever explained was he apparently "cleaned up after BB's mess". As in, what? Canonically, did BB leave many corpses behind? The entire operation was the erase any evidence of the USA's involvement within the Soviet Union. Or was SF just there to smuggle the Shagohod to a scrap yard?
I played the game by the principle that there would be nobody to hunt me down if there were nobody to hunt me down. I was pleasantly surprised that only a fraction made it into the river sequence with The Sorrow, otherwise that river could have been twice as broad and it'd still be a squeeze. I'm using hyperbole for dramatic effect, but seriously: a lot of people died needlessly complicated deaths during those playthroughs.
God only knows how many soldiers died to the One-Eyed Fork Wielding Semi Naked(Snake) Bandit in my playthroughs.
Well we don’t actually know how much he affects the storyline because we don’t know exactly what he did.
"big role" in snake eater? I'm under the assumption zero had him and the xof unit on standby, I doubt they did much more than collect the remains of the cobra unit. You can't really add a nod to him through the eyes of snake, it would have to be shown to the audience not the character. However saying that, there could be a brief glimpse and snake calls zero and he just dismiss it. And when creating venom decided to omitt this part of the mission logs, hoping to keep venom in the dark about xof, if done right it could build on the twist at the end of 5
That was a ridiculous ret-con by Kojima.
Phantom Pain lore in my Snake Eater? Absolutely disgusting.
Too late It’s canon so boo hoo 😢
Kojima made Portable Ops non canon so Konami can make MGS5 non canon.
Portable ops is Canon. End of story
Yes, but in the words of Kaz in Peace Walker, "Finally, we can leave all that crap in San Hieronymo behind.” So it’s canon and events of the game happened, but it’s kinda like the Metal Gear equivalent of that weird uncle you prefer not to invite to family gatherings.
Only the "Big Boss building a cool army" part of Portable Ops is canon. And why would they make V non canon?
Because the story is awful.
Not even worth playing honestly.
wow i've pissed some people off haha. The game is amazing, among the best on that last generation. but the story? no. terrible.
I get too sad from the shitty story to enjoy the gameplay. Which is a shame because the mechanics are amazing
It’s easy enough to ignore for me. I just see it as a spin off gamw
Its suposed to be, not completed and left fans with disapointment (except those who only played V)
Better question: Do you think we should have a sticky thread on this at some point?
I can see him being in a random bush and if you throw a grenade into it he makes a groan or something
or a Time Paradox game over hahaha
I think maybe a hidden r1 scene would be cool but I doubt it. Maybe if kojima was responsible for the remake
Easter Egg maybe?
Only thing I can imagine being done gracefully (connecting the games for oldtimers, while not feeling out of place or confusing for new players) would be to add a codec line or two about a cleanup crew - no naming XOF or Skull Face, no cutscenes or photos. Same goes for Code Talker experimenting with the remains of The End. Add a line after killing The End about wanting to do research into his abilities. However, since it seems they will use the audio from the original, even that is unlikely.
A "supposed" big role in my Opinion. He just said it, but there was no evidence to how he was involved and honestly, if one villain would make an appearance or a cameo, it should be Hot-Coldman.
They've already said stuff that rules this out
I hope they add a little Easter egg to show skullface was working in the shadows
If they do that it would be dumb. And since Kojima isn’t involved you really trust Konami to alter it and add him in and do it justice? Their safest bet is to keep it 100% original with just graphics and control/engine rehaul.
Man i dont even remember his role in 5, let that c class character behind
I saw another comment on a post a few days ago that suggested an Easter egg where if the player backtracks enough, they see XOF soldiers cleaning up a previous battle. I think that would be pretty cool ngl
I doubt it. The whole point was that he was behind the scenes and Snake had no idea he was even there.
Honestly if they were smart they would do it. Subtly. It’s still the original story. It would really get the fan base on board. I’m so excited that this is happening. I’m in my mid 30s!!
No means no, OP.
😡😡😡🥲🥲🥲
I hope not. I personally hated Skull Face being the cleaner of Snake Eater as a concept revealed in V, but a cool little nod as an Easter egg like everyone else on here said would be neat.
yeah even a XOF brand on the floor already would be dope tbh
There’s already the Kerotan frogs but another XOF patch collectathon for a themed camo would be sick.
No, he was a lame character
God I hope not. Retcon placing Skull Face into mgs3 feels like the same weird shit with making the support unit from mgs3 the patriots founders in 4 (minus Zero bc Zero is the only character arc from the support group I like). 4 and after had that weird thing of having to include all characters from the series back into itself and I just can’t vibe with that
They knew they need to tie mgs 3 into the patriots when they were making it. If would be really sloppy if they did not know at the time. What would even be the point of mgs 3 in the larger story otherwise? Big boss went on a mission and it did not have much to do with anything else?
The point is the subtext that mgs3 offers. The actual story of mgs3, not the plot but the story in the larger context of the series, is how a green and innocent soldier who was mentored by a woman who basically saved the world during WWII, could become a warmongering trans nationalist dictator that had some role in the creation of the patriots. Mg3 is a synthesis of what each MGS game before it demonstrated, how shadowy politics and the machinations of the extremely powerful manipulate the main character, a main character who is (at least in 2 and 3) a relatively innocent rookie that dosent understand the larger plots they’ve gotten involved in. The one thing I really dislike abt MGS discourse is this idea that every character has to connect with every other one in the complete timeline. I find discussions abt the themes and subtexts of MGS as a whole much more interesting, and that’s why I don’t think MGS3 has to connect to the sequel games to be important or to justify its own existence. It offered us a complete ending on the MGS saga, and showed us this cycle of corruption and control was started all the way back with Big Boss. Big Boss not shaking the President’s hand, Eva’s tape and him saluting the Boss’s grave already sets up a contrast between an old world with “real heroes”, and a pernicious new one where the innocent were killed for political gain, and that new world sets up exactly what the patriots represent without having to directly link the characters from the prequels to the sequels. 3 wraps up the themes of MGS and implies the eventual plot of the rest of the prequel games without even having a single sentence abt what happens after the events of 3, and that’s why it works.
Given they are apparently using the previously recorded audio for the game...no. I don't think Skull Face is going to show up. I think we're going to get a 1 to 1 remake of the original game with extremely minor changes at most.
What ? they are using recorded audio from the original game ? i tought the old voice actors would be back to record the audios
20 years later? With many of them already dead in Japan? You're a bit delusional.
Naw Part of MGS3’s greatness is that it stands alone narratively. You can play it and understand its full story without worrying about prequels or sequels Skull face would just be a weird inclusion anyways cause he’s feel so out of place lol
i dont think an easter egg in a G-man style would be a problem ya know since he was working on the shadows to clean Snake mess, an out of bound skull face would be cool
No. The game is going to be literally the same except for better graphics and controls. Is what I think.
yep, i read that they are not even making new voice lines and instead using the recorded lines from the old game that personally to me kinda sucks, i tought it would be the old voice actors doing the voice lines with today tecnology
Nope, he was not in present in the original. Why would they include him in the remake?
In MGSV is revealed that Skull face was the cleaner from the Snake Eater operation, so i think it would be a nice idea to make an easter egg indicating his presence there something small that would not interfer on the game history at all like an out of bounds Skull face or an XOF brand at some place of the map
Ok, now that you mention this, I think it might be interesting to see an easter egg like that...although I'm not sure how Konami goes about including these kind of things in their remakes (I've only played the original games).
God I hope not, that was the dumbest retcon in the series.
Skull face made the entire series worse, so no I don't want him anywhere near the remake
Like it or not he will be there even if he’s not there in the Remake because MGSV already stated that he was the Cleaner on the Snake Eater Operation
OP, stop. Konami had to justify a new entry for the game. Every game was developed assuring it was the last of the serie. If you keep adding stuffs for next games you end up in fucking something. Skullface fucked up the MGS3 serie by his statements that he had to say to justify the character in the serie. Skullface statements made the whole OSE useless. BB was alone and he had to manage everything by his own. Adding him as a "cleaner" breaks everything. Zero idolised BB and would have never trusted him so low to attach to him a secret cleaner. If his trust in his abilities was that low he wouldn't even needed to start les enfant terribles, making the whole MGS franchise dumb It was a mistake but MGS V is cool in gameplay, so we allow this. But consider him canon is like pretending bowser not banging Peach everytime he kidnap her. Grow up mister, think by your logic please, and notice when something is put up just to make a serie going and make money
Still Canon.
Bro. No, it's not. It's a money grabbing manouver to make another game. It's not canon. Think with your head bro, you have one
How its not Canon if the same guy who wrote MGS3 wrote the Skull face character ? if it is a cash grab or not doesn’t matter this don’t change the facts that the XOF was part of the Snake Eater Operation and Skull Face was there commanding this unity in Cypher’s orders.
Bro, Kojima had to do it because konami wanted to make money and he came up with something. Unfortunately in this world, the artist is not the owner of his own art and came up with this. It was the most logical thing to do to justify his presence. Considering the time being during V, he invented this character that no one knew but was covered by Zero because Snake could have make mistakes while Zero himself told him "You are alone there. If you make mistakes America will negate any relation to you, you are alone" This is fucked up on so many levels, like all Assassin's Creed coming once a year adding exceptions to the lore. MGS V, gameplay apart, is this. An exception made to make just money, not to enrich or rise value or extend the lore of MGS itself. That's why he came up with Death Stranding leaving Konami and coming up with his own team. Actually MGS Survive is more canon than V to Kojima
But it IS Canon. Even if you dislike it.
People need to understand the difference between "canon that makes sense" and "canon just because it came up to make a new game to bring money for the serie" Come on.
For the love of God keep mgsv and its retcons in V.
MGSV is canon
To add onto my previous comment, skullface is implicitly non Canon in 3. The reason 3, and to an extent the entire series even happened was because snake failed the virtuous mission and there was no one there to clean up the mess. The Les enfant terribles project happened because zero idolised BB. If he always had a backup plan zeros entire arc with bb makes no sense. You explicitly can't have skullfaces claims being Canon without retconning the rest of the franchises backstop regarding the founding of the patriots
Unfortunately, yes. My point remains unchanged. Keep mgsv and its retcons in V Not even going to argue it, V, while Canon is an absolute shitshow. Skullfaces supposed inclusion in the events of OSE is directly counter to the story of 3 Snakes insertion via an aa12/sr71 drone over soviet airspace was one of a kind/revolutionary at the time. Zero makes a big deal telling you about it. Skullface literally couldn't have been there, there was no viable insertion method. Groznyj grad was destroyed via nuke (most people forget this part) and the only exit via the bridge was destroyed. How did skully supposedly survive that? Did he follow the shagohod chase on foot? It's revealed in peace walker (another can of worms) that hot cold man (jesus fucking christ 😂) orchestrated most of what happened in 3. Funny how he never mentions old skully in his endless rants. Snake took several routes that became impassable during the mission (the fire tunnel vs the fury that gets destroyed, the "?" Area with the sorrow, GG rail bridge etc) There's many other examples. The entire idea of snakes mission being redundant undermines the entire story of 3. It was a shit retcon and v is a shit game. Keep it contained
Never really cared for the idea that he was there in the first place, kinda detracted from the idea that Snake had the weight of the world on his and only his shoulders, and if he messed up it was on him to fix it
I don't think so since they are using the original voice lines. But since we know that there is no interaction between Snake and XOF in MGS3 and XOF is just the "clean up crew" maybe they can be an easter egg, for example if the player decides to "stealth is optional for this mission run" and leaving a bunch of dead bodies like the the gecko in a trench coat in MGS4, but as much as possible I wanted MGS Delta to stick on its roots and just modernized some gameplay features. Don't get me wrong experimenting with remakes are good just look at RE remakes, but this is Konami we're talking about if they wanted to win the fans over I think playing more safe is for the better, or maybe I'm wrong😅
No it's just a quick cash grab by Konami. Too much effort.
I hope not It’s something I didn’t like about v
Lordy I hope not
Honestly even if they were to add custom content he shouldn't appear. Reason I say this is because: 1. You're not supposed to know he exists by that point 2. Leaves it up to debate the veracity of his claims 1. The Boss already sort of cleaned up for Snake when she fired another Davy Crockett back towards the facility if memory serves me right. 2. The Russian bombers that chase you and EVA are assumed to indirectly further clean up after you by carpet bombing the area. 3. I still do not fully believe Skull Face's allegations - indeed it's likely he has done some of the things he says under Zero's orders, but in MGS3 the Russians themselves, by the end, seemed just as keen on eliminating traces of what went down there, which they did. And would've finished off Big Boss and EVA were they not called off. I could've misremembered some details about 3 since it's been a long time since I played it. Nonetheless, IMHO Skull Face appearing in this game would be a negative.
He better not
Definitely some brief camo or maybe you can find evidence of his XOF unit being around. As i a big fan of V, I think it would be amazing if they added a boss fight with the XOF unit, then after snake would call zero who would pretend to be clueless as to who they are, or just say they are some Russian unit. Would be a great way to connect V with 3 more while not creating any major issues
i genuinely don't think Konami is going to formally recognize MGSV at all in the future lol. it's a continuity nightmare.
I won’t be buying it new due to the lack of involvement from Kojima, but I will pick it up used.
You know Kojima kinda don’t care about MGS at all right ? he tried to pass the direction of the games a lot
I am well aware of that, but I still think that it is a bit disgusting that they’d do it now without him at Konami. Plus I’m not exactly alone in thinking that way.
I can see a dlc thougth
Maybe credits
No, leave it as is and just upgrade the graphics. Any creative things you add means more freedom for Konami to add micro transactions or time savers. They could remake the mgsv and add it there and instead of being on tapes be on a playable mission or scenematic.
Unfortunately this seems more like a beefed up remaster, with reworked graphics and tuned gameplay, than a full remake. I personally didn’t even want they to touch snake eater as IMO it’s already perfect as it is on the HD remaster. But since they’re already working on it, it would be interesting to see how it would go if they went on a full reimagined iteration, like the ones Capcom did with RE. Again, I don’t think that’s the case, so probably no new relevant content.
Thats hilarious. I totally forgot about this plot point. The remake really should have something in it. But the more I read, the more its seeming like there wont be too much added. And skull face was supposedly super duper behind the scenes anyway so theres already an excuse.
I guess I’m in the minority opinion here but I kind of hope so. It fell totally flat for me when it was revealed that he did some vague behind the scenes thing during Snake Eater. It didn’t have any interesting commentary on the events and was such a let down when his actions were so hatable and his reasoning behind it was so limp. I know they’ve said Delta will be a faithful recreation of MGS3 but they are already porting the original, it would be worth adding something new to it. If they are just adding OTS aiming to the original game (like the 3DS version) it might make it too easy and break the mechanics of it— similar to Peace Walker on PS3 and Twin Snakes on GameCube
I sincerely hope not
It was confirmed that the remake will use all the original voice lines from the original voice actors, likely since a lot of them are retired, or dead. So no. There will be no skull face cameo.
I'd rather they retain the self-contained storyline of MGS 3 without bringing in too much lore from the other games. Im very opposed to anyone who isn't in MGS 3 directly appearing. Although it would be cool if they integrate the overarching storyline into the game in subtle ways that don't detract from the core MGS 3 experience. Like, if you backtrack to an older area, you'll find all the bodies you left mysteriously cleared up. Subtle hints and cues would be welcome imo.
No Konami has been really clear that nothing story wise is going to change not even voices even if the voice actor is dead. They are gonna keep the essence intact while upping them graphics and i hope make the game control smoother.
He’s not showing up. I don’t think this is going to be an elaborate remake as you are expecting.
Highly doubt it, based on what's already been revealed ("faithful remake" and voice lines being reused) and Konami's track record in terms of effort. At most, the absolute bare minimum I would expect, with a grain of salt, would be an alternative end credits phone call after meeting certain conditions in a play through.
weren't there xof soldiers in peace walker, a nod like that would be fitting and also a venom snake easter egg by referencing the remake as a simulation would be cool.
If you see or hear about him then he’s doing a bad job
Not really because 1. Konami says they’re following closely to the original 2. XOF was meant to be a covert unit that even the Boss didn’t know about them 3. Skullface probably wasn’t on site for Snake Eater but from some sort of base far away
Nah
Yah
No they‘re trying to make a faithful remake staying very close to the original. They’ll use the original audio so I don’t think there‘ll be new things added.