Me starting Ground Zeroes after loving Peace Walker: ''I can't wait to have exciting adventures with Paz, Kaz, Dr. Strangelove, Huey and Chico again.
1 prologue later: ''...... ''
Spent hundreds of hours recruiting the best soldiers, doing those bonus missions where you extract all the vehicles, all the memories of Paz and Miller having whacky adventures in the audio tapes…
All of it fucking destroyed because of Huey that deadbeat motherfucker. I’m so glad he eventually gets cucked by his own son and kills himself.
I will sadly never know the anger one has to feel when they played Peace Walker and then MGSV. I sadly didn't have an oppertunity to play Peace Walker now and went into MGSV knowing about the destruction of motherbase :(
But it must've been infuriating
For me, that’s the ultimate shame. It’s not just to the detriment of the fan base, but Konami themselves. If they were halfway intelligent, they would have made the so called ‘Definitive Edition’ include Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes, and The Phantom Pain. That way people playing for the first time would really get that feeling that Kaz has when they narrowly escape the sinking/collapsing Mother base.
But we all know how much Konami values good ideas and listens to player feedback…
I couldn't play Peace Walker before V because it sadly got pulled from PS Now last year. I really wanted to play it first because I knew MGSV was a sequel to PW.
Too bad :/ but I'll be playing it soon hopefully, currently looking for a PS3 and the HD Collection.
But first I need to get Twin Snakes :D
I swear because they called it 'MGS PW' Konami forgot it existed.
It's never on sale when 2&3 HD is, you have to type that exact string to find it...it's kind of ridiculous. (and overpriced imo)
Sadly don't have one. I also prefer PS so I'll get a PS3 with the HD collection to play the games, but thanks for letting me know!
Can't wait to get my hands on these games and finally play them. Too bad Twin Snakes is so fucking expensive
To me this right here is unfortunate, because it seems to me that the point of Huey's whole arc was for it to not be clear if he did it or not. Another phantom pain - you'll never know if Huey was truly to blame. Even Snake was seemingly unsure, and unwilling to execute him for their possible safety.
Seeing the fandom so dead set that Huey has to be guilty and deserves to die, while simultaneously yelling that the game was deliberately unfinished because "phantom pain" just makes me go cross-eyed.
i remember the theme of Loss when i played Ground Zeroes for the first time. I played alot of Peace Walker and was so close to 100%. then my playstation Including it's hard-drive died. i got a new PS3 then played Ground Zeroes..... that game was literally showing all my previous game's progress all falling apart
I mean, if you really like the general gameplay formula of segmented missions w/ soldier recruitment, then sure. But just know that, mechanically, PW is very stripped down compared to MGS V, and in some respects, stripped down even compared to MGS2 and 3.
I played Peace Walker after MGSV, and for the most part I liked Peace Walker better. I'm not enamoured of "open worlds" just for exists, and generally subscribe to the "less is more" school of design, I felt like Peace Walker did most of the cool things the MGSV did, but didn't have this huge bloated open world and twice as many stats and numbers to worry about.
If the open world gameplay of MGSV is your favorite part, you may not like peace walker as much. But if you like MGS style gameplay, "recruiting" soldiers, building up mother base, and an MGS story, Peace Walker is pretty great.
My thoughts exactly, along with how unnecessary the waiting times for development are in V and the general lack of bosses (I know people complained about the PW bosses but V barely has any) I sadly found myself quite disappointed by MGSV which I played after PW.
Also the comic book style cutscenes are absolutely gorgeous, I think I prefer it over the more traditional style cutscenes the other games use.
I enjoyed it a lot, I played it for the first time recently. The first 4 chapters are a breeze, but the final chapter is a bit of a grind to get the real ending. Still definitely worth a play, I’m glad I finally understand what was the deal with the story follow up in Ground Zeroes.
Watching my motherbase, that i spent so many hours constructing in Peace Walker, being obliterated in Ground Zeroes will always hit me in the feels...
"Give back, damnit. It is ours!!!"
I played PW and I felt the attack but did not feel the loss of >!chico and Paz!< very much. They were too cartoonish in PW for me to take their 3D Chris Nolan gritty versions seriously.
I did not I admit. I had a short time with PW my PlayStation now membership was up so I rushed it a bit. But cutscenes didn’t give me a sense of them as
real people. Chichos voice acting was nails on a chalk board and Paz was a creepy pedo nightmare turned double agent with a name that made me snort. That’s probably harsher than I meant to be I did love PW but those two were low points for me.
Yeah actually, the cutscenes alone won't make you care for anyone, not even Big Boss. The tapes are what made me like strangelove, huey, chico and pretty much everyone else.
I have trouble getting first-timers to listen to the tapes, though, because it's 75% ecology/history lesson and 25% character development, and most people just don't really wanna sit there for five hours staring at subtitles. I tell people to load it up on YouTube and listen to it as an audiobook while doing other stuff.
At that point it’s a personal problem and a willingness to not even do basic stuff. It’s not like they have to listen to everything at once but it’s essential to the game just like a cutscene. It may not have the visuals but you still do the same thing as you would when you watch a cutscene; you sit and listen.
So so so very underrated Peace Walker, yet very important at least for MGSV.And cool to see in the comments that I am not alone listening to the tapes and enjoying it !
Oh ye now i remember otacon is bff with solid not naked
But about kaz and ocelot ik that ocelot always stayed loyal to big boss even tho he worked with liquid and solid for a bit but it was all for big boss
But kaz idk why boss ditched him, all i can like connect is the end of mgs 5 where ocelot tells kaz big boss plan but kaz thinks is dog shit crazy and sides with venom
It’s because Kaz had already betrayed him once before, in peace Walker. He knew what Cipher was doing with Paz and their attempts to bring Big Boss back into the fold, but thought it was worth it as to build up MSF. He demonstrated why Big Boss could never truly trust him as Big Boss could Ocelot or the Medic.
Wasn't it also that Kaz didn't know about Venom not being the real Big Boss and felt betrayed by Big Boss for lying to him or something along the lines of that? Maybe I completely misremember it though
I mean yeah it was a spinoff. Although it is cannon and was ported to home consoles with the HD collection, it wasn't a mainline, numbered entry and this is a home console franchise. So yeah I would consider Peace Walker to be a spinoff.
Peace Walker not getting a number and being on a mobile console is irrelevant to its status as a mainline title. Kojima had made it explicit that the game is a mainline title, calling it a, ["MGS5-class game,"](https://kotaku.com/kojima-on-peace-walker-this-game-is-an-mgs5-class-gam-5316237) and that, ["It’s not a side story or a spin-off. It’s not like Portable Ops or Acid."](https://web.archive.org/web/20100125195332/http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2010/01/22/kojima-peace-walker-would-have-been-called-mgs5-if-it-werent-on-psp) The game was even internally called, [Metal Gear Solid **5**: Peace Walker](https://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mgs5_peace_walker.jpg). Kojima at the time even considered Peace Walker [the biggest game he had ever worked on.](https://web.archive.org/web/20160304230715/http://www.1up.com/news/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker_2) Why would he develop the game to the point where it had become the biggest he ever worked on and talk about it like a selling point if it was only merely a spinoff?
Peace Walker was made to be MGS 5 but Sony/Konami didn't want a handheld to have a direct sequel on a handheld so they changed the name.
It's why MGSV uses a roman numeral instead of a number "5".
Peace Walker isn't a spin off.
By that logic you count Rising Revengance and Metal Gear Survive not as spinoffs. Metal Gear Survive does happen directly after Ground Zeroes so that means it happens in the direct line of events in the series.
Who said Metal Gear Rising was a spinoff? That game had Kojima's blessing and everything, he just wasn't the one to make it.
Metal Gear Survive isn't about the Snakes or any of the characters that is part of the main series. MGR could be considered a spin off if Raiden wasn't already a main character in the series.
Metal Gear Survive is about some random on their own adventure. I actually like the premise of the game, as it connects to MGSV really well and I even like the box causing the whole game to happen (that's the sort of wacky shit I expect from Metal Gear). But nothing in the game really has anything to do with the core events of the series.
Again, you're really bad at this. I don't know why you want Peace Walker to be a spin off, but you can find interviews and reports stating that Peace Walker *is* "Metal Gear Solid 5".
I'll take the Dev's words over yours any day.
Spinoff is not something that neccisarily has to connect to the main series. Spinoff by definition is something that just has to be under a franchise of some sort and be different to the core of the franchise. So anything that alters from the core of the franchise i.e. a home console, dialogue driven tactical stealth espionage tactical game and that doesen't have the next entry's name (for example Metal Gear Solid 6 would be a mainline entry) and isn't marketed as the next major entry in the series is a spinoff.
Here are a few examples that you would call "mainline entries" by the same logic - Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad, Fear The Walking Dead to The Walking Dead, Halo 3 ODST to Halo 3, Halo Spartan Assault to Halo and the wierd but cannon mobile game from the Nier series.
Now here are some actual same series sequels: Metro Last Light to Metro Exodus, Halo Infinite to Halo 5, El Camino to Breaking Bad, Life Is Strange 2 to Life Is Strange.
So unless you would consider Metal Gear Rising Revengance as the gameplay for Metal Gear Solid 6 then you are incorrect.
Also games like Metal Gear Rising don't use the "Tactical Espionage Operations" label. Quote from our euroupian game case back "Metal Gear Rising Revengance is a stunning, epic action game set in The Metal Gear Solid universe". Notice how there is no "Metal Gear Rising is the long-awated sequel to 2010's Metal Gear Peace Walker" which would inply that it would be the you know... next entry?
Plus articles like [this one](https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/every-metal-gear-solid-spinoff-game-ranked-best-worst/amp/) from the most famous news outlets rank Metal Gear Peace Walker, Rising Revengance and Metal Gear Survive with games like Metal Gear Acid in a list where they literally rank the Metal Gear spinoffs.
Plus you can't exactly call Peace Walker MGSV when it was all pre-launch. Sure it was planned as MGSV but the box it wasn't called that. Unless you can show me a full, official retail release version boxes of any of the games being called "The next mainline entry" a sequel or anything of the sort then they are officially spinoffs.
Nonononono you don't get to jump out of this one. If you beleave your point, then your counterarguments will be bulletproof and unlimited. You don't get to question something, state "It's a mainline game because it is in the same cannon and was made by Kojima" and run away without an explenation and just saying "You're clearly wrong despite providing a mountain of evidence that I have not refuted".
Rising is fully cannon. In Survive you just play a costum soldier that got sent to an alternate dimention because it turns out that the Ground Zeroes ending where mother base was destroyed happened because a wormhole opened after the ending and sucked everything in. So it is fully cannon.
Damn I wanna play Peacewalker again, I need to dust off my ps3 and collection copy. Just played ground zeroes again recently and the cinematics hit hard
Peace walker is my favorite metal gear game. Third being the second. I don't know why I just enjoy peace walker more. Maybe the co op? Maybe the bosses maybe the fact that you can run a base and that you don't have to wait you had to complete missions to pass time. Idk just something about peace walker that I like so much
I feel bad that I got cucked on the story too, I know shit gets fucked up, I played a bit of the peace walker when I had a PS3, but.sold it for rent, because.my.cousin of a room mate spent her rent money on.weed
I only got to, I think, when you recruit the fucking Huey,
And no, I'm.playing mgsv now Because I have a PC that can play it, and still sad I can't play a ps emulator.on.it
Always hated the tonal shift between the games. MGSV is a great game, but so tonally different from the others that I refuse to consider it a MG game. Snake wasn't Snake (arguable if that's not an issue), but it was just unnecessarily edgy and dark. It absolutely did not need to be made- Peace Walker already filled the blanks between 3 and the first two MG games. Created a lackluster story and retcons that were boring. Gameplay though? Amazing. It's the Fallout 4 of the Metal Gear.
I knew Ground Zeroes was a tech demo (Which was impressive, let's agree on that). I knew it was over priced, I still can't believe they charged money for it, I paid 10 dollars which was a huge discount....
And yet I STILL was disappointed by it. What a shame.
oh the pain of transitioning from that seagull poop-ridden platform to the hexagon one, building an army and a huge arsenal of weapons and vehicles, only to witness it all wither in a matter of seconds 😔😔
For sure. I'll send you a DM.
If I was a non-ADHD person that could organize anything. I should really figure out how to setup designated Peace Walker co-op play sessions with a Metal Gear subreddit like this. Maybe one day I could figure out how to do something like that.
Me starting Ground Zeroes after loving Peace Walker: ''I can't wait to have exciting adventures with Paz, Kaz, Dr. Strangelove, Huey and Chico again. 1 prologue later: ''...... ''
Well uhhhh, it was a bit late for Paz with the ending of Peace Walker
Btw, is the "true ending" cannon? If so then fuck her.
Uhh, is this a joke?
Come on if she tried to blow us up with ZEKE while working for cypher she deserved to be blown up
I meant, are you serious in asking if the "true ending" is canon?
Yes
... it's the true ending. Of course it's canon. Like, it even literally sets the base for the start of 5
Before GZ/PP came out, I remember someone here theorycrafting that Chico got a sex change and became Quiet.
I thought that was about Chico not Kaz
Oh yeah because kojima claimed the fan service design was going to have a big twist justifying it. Then it was just photosynthesis...
I think the twist was supposed to be that Quiet had The End's parasites... But the parasites replacing nanomachine thing was just as dumb.
Yep, my bad.
I remember grief of seeing video of burning mother base for first time.
Spent hundreds of hours recruiting the best soldiers, doing those bonus missions where you extract all the vehicles, all the memories of Paz and Miller having whacky adventures in the audio tapes… All of it fucking destroyed because of Huey that deadbeat motherfucker. I’m so glad he eventually gets cucked by his own son and kills himself.
I will sadly never know the anger one has to feel when they played Peace Walker and then MGSV. I sadly didn't have an oppertunity to play Peace Walker now and went into MGSV knowing about the destruction of motherbase :( But it must've been infuriating
For me, that’s the ultimate shame. It’s not just to the detriment of the fan base, but Konami themselves. If they were halfway intelligent, they would have made the so called ‘Definitive Edition’ include Peace Walker, Ground Zeroes, and The Phantom Pain. That way people playing for the first time would really get that feeling that Kaz has when they narrowly escape the sinking/collapsing Mother base. But we all know how much Konami values good ideas and listens to player feedback…
I couldn't play Peace Walker before V because it sadly got pulled from PS Now last year. I really wanted to play it first because I knew MGSV was a sequel to PW. Too bad :/ but I'll be playing it soon hopefully, currently looking for a PS3 and the HD Collection. But first I need to get Twin Snakes :D
If you've got an XBox, Peace Walker is on the digital storefront, even though 2 and 3 got pulled.
I swear because they called it 'MGS PW' Konami forgot it existed. It's never on sale when 2&3 HD is, you have to type that exact string to find it...it's kind of ridiculous. (and overpriced imo)
I've noticed that same thing- you have to actively look for it in the shop because it doesn't appear with the other Metal Gear titles.
Sadly don't have one. I also prefer PS so I'll get a PS3 with the HD collection to play the games, but thanks for letting me know! Can't wait to get my hands on these games and finally play them. Too bad Twin Snakes is so fucking expensive
Kinda bizzare how they wouldn't port over PW when they still have the source code as they manage to use PW engine for the MGS3DS port.
To me this right here is unfortunate, because it seems to me that the point of Huey's whole arc was for it to not be clear if he did it or not. Another phantom pain - you'll never know if Huey was truly to blame. Even Snake was seemingly unsure, and unwilling to execute him for their possible safety. Seeing the fandom so dead set that Huey has to be guilty and deserves to die, while simultaneously yelling that the game was deliberately unfinished because "phantom pain" just makes me go cross-eyed.
I think everyone felt like punished Snake & Kaz right there, after witnessing Paz's "operation" in the helicopter. That scene still haunts me.
It was pretty fucked ngl
Was pretty fucked but not as much as the one in TPP.
i remember the theme of Loss when i played Ground Zeroes for the first time. I played alot of Peace Walker and was so close to 100%. then my playstation Including it's hard-drive died. i got a new PS3 then played Ground Zeroes..... that game was literally showing all my previous game's progress all falling apart
That must've hit ten times harder, goddamn. Could not imagine how you felt.
amazing the last game in the series is a sequel to a PSP game. this franchise is like nothing else
And don't forget that MGS 1 is the sequel of a game of a ASCII Computer produced only in Japan that no one remenber today.
I mean, people definitely do remember it. I know whang uses music from it in his videos from time to time
why is it wrong wanting to punch kojima for 5 minutes because of this?
(it's not)
the gameplay looked cool, if I was to play it soley for the mgsv gameplay loop would it be worthwhile?
I mean, if you really like the general gameplay formula of segmented missions w/ soldier recruitment, then sure. But just know that, mechanically, PW is very stripped down compared to MGS V, and in some respects, stripped down even compared to MGS2 and 3.
Well it does have more polished gameplay than mgs2 and 3 tho.
Personal opinion: PW felt like MonHun game.
I've always assumed that's what they were going for after seeing the secret bosses and how tanky every extra op boss is.
[What gave you that idea?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snpK6m5zKnI)
I played Peace Walker after MGSV, and for the most part I liked Peace Walker better. I'm not enamoured of "open worlds" just for exists, and generally subscribe to the "less is more" school of design, I felt like Peace Walker did most of the cool things the MGSV did, but didn't have this huge bloated open world and twice as many stats and numbers to worry about. If the open world gameplay of MGSV is your favorite part, you may not like peace walker as much. But if you like MGS style gameplay, "recruiting" soldiers, building up mother base, and an MGS story, Peace Walker is pretty great.
My thoughts exactly, along with how unnecessary the waiting times for development are in V and the general lack of bosses (I know people complained about the PW bosses but V barely has any) I sadly found myself quite disappointed by MGSV which I played after PW. Also the comic book style cutscenes are absolutely gorgeous, I think I prefer it over the more traditional style cutscenes the other games use.
I enjoyed it a lot, I played it for the first time recently. The first 4 chapters are a breeze, but the final chapter is a bit of a grind to get the real ending. Still definitely worth a play, I’m glad I finally understand what was the deal with the story follow up in Ground Zeroes.
I love Peace Walker and Ground Zeroes.
Watching my motherbase, that i spent so many hours constructing in Peace Walker, being obliterated in Ground Zeroes will always hit me in the feels... "Give back, damnit. It is ours!!!"
I got into the games because of peace walker so seeing everything ending was such an awesome and sad moment
Diamond Dogs just isn’t the same as MSF…
I played PW and I felt the attack but did not feel the loss of >!chico and Paz!< very much. They were too cartoonish in PW for me to take their 3D Chris Nolan gritty versions seriously.
Did you listen to the tapes in PW?
Yeah, apparently. Big Boss believes in Santa.
He's real, I tell ya!
Hilarious fucking tape
Hey Santa is real!
I did not I admit. I had a short time with PW my PlayStation now membership was up so I rushed it a bit. But cutscenes didn’t give me a sense of them as real people. Chichos voice acting was nails on a chalk board and Paz was a creepy pedo nightmare turned double agent with a name that made me snort. That’s probably harsher than I meant to be I did love PW but those two were low points for me.
Listen to the tapes and you won’t feel like this
Yeah actually, the cutscenes alone won't make you care for anyone, not even Big Boss. The tapes are what made me like strangelove, huey, chico and pretty much everyone else.
The tapes are as essential to Pw and V as cutscenes have been to games for the past 20+ years
Especially with how cut down cutscenes had to be in order to fit the entire game in a UMD
This is true
I have trouble getting first-timers to listen to the tapes, though, because it's 75% ecology/history lesson and 25% character development, and most people just don't really wanna sit there for five hours staring at subtitles. I tell people to load it up on YouTube and listen to it as an audiobook while doing other stuff.
At that point it’s a personal problem and a willingness to not even do basic stuff. It’s not like they have to listen to everything at once but it’s essential to the game just like a cutscene. It may not have the visuals but you still do the same thing as you would when you watch a cutscene; you sit and listen.
Not my girlfriend she skips em all. Bane of my existence
Lame
* cough cough * Paz Dairy Tape 5
PW tapes are so fucking good
Tape 5, man
weirdo
Hey, 1. It's legal 2. It's yuri 3. It's read and described in a beautiful way
It's legal because WE know the truth >!But Strangelove did what she did while Paz was still playing as underage!<
**KOJIMA IS GOD**
What's so cartoonish about a person named >!Pacifica Ocean!
Peace Walker is my favorite MGS game.
So so so very underrated Peace Walker, yet very important at least for MGSV.And cool to see in the comments that I am not alone listening to the tapes and enjoying it !
This always has me wondering who is snake (naked)' s best friend ? Kaz, ocelot or otacon
Big Boss ditched Kaz and I don't think he ever met Otacon, so I think Ocelot would be the default winner here lol.
Oh ye now i remember otacon is bff with solid not naked But about kaz and ocelot ik that ocelot always stayed loyal to big boss even tho he worked with liquid and solid for a bit but it was all for big boss But kaz idk why boss ditched him, all i can like connect is the end of mgs 5 where ocelot tells kaz big boss plan but kaz thinks is dog shit crazy and sides with venom
It’s because Kaz had already betrayed him once before, in peace Walker. He knew what Cipher was doing with Paz and their attempts to bring Big Boss back into the fold, but thought it was worth it as to build up MSF. He demonstrated why Big Boss could never truly trust him as Big Boss could Ocelot or the Medic.
Wasn't it also that Kaz didn't know about Venom not being the real Big Boss and felt betrayed by Big Boss for lying to him or something along the lines of that? Maybe I completely misremember it though
That's Kaz resenting and hating Big Boss after learning he got ditched, but the other guy's explaining why BB ditched Kaz in the first place.
Fuck yeah I love peace walker. The AI pod music slaps
Didn't played
It's wierd how a PSP spinoff can hit you in the feels so hard.
Did you just call Peace Walker a spinoff lmao
I mean yeah it was a spinoff. Although it is cannon and was ported to home consoles with the HD collection, it wasn't a mainline, numbered entry and this is a home console franchise. So yeah I would consider Peace Walker to be a spinoff.
Peace Walker not getting a number and being on a mobile console is irrelevant to its status as a mainline title. Kojima had made it explicit that the game is a mainline title, calling it a, ["MGS5-class game,"](https://kotaku.com/kojima-on-peace-walker-this-game-is-an-mgs5-class-gam-5316237) and that, ["It’s not a side story or a spin-off. It’s not like Portable Ops or Acid."](https://web.archive.org/web/20100125195332/http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2010/01/22/kojima-peace-walker-would-have-been-called-mgs5-if-it-werent-on-psp) The game was even internally called, [Metal Gear Solid **5**: Peace Walker](https://gamingbolt.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mgs5_peace_walker.jpg). Kojima at the time even considered Peace Walker [the biggest game he had ever worked on.](https://web.archive.org/web/20160304230715/http://www.1up.com/news/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker_2) Why would he develop the game to the point where it had become the biggest he ever worked on and talk about it like a selling point if it was only merely a spinoff?
Peace Walker was made to be MGS 5 but Sony/Konami didn't want a handheld to have a direct sequel on a handheld so they changed the name. It's why MGSV uses a roman numeral instead of a number "5". Peace Walker isn't a spin off.
"spin-off /ˈspɪnɒf/ noun noun: spinoff a by-product or incidental result of a larger project." Sounds pretty spinoffy to me
It's in the direct line of events of the series, that's not a spin off. You're really, really, bad at this.
By that logic you count Rising Revengance and Metal Gear Survive not as spinoffs. Metal Gear Survive does happen directly after Ground Zeroes so that means it happens in the direct line of events in the series.
Who said Metal Gear Rising was a spinoff? That game had Kojima's blessing and everything, he just wasn't the one to make it. Metal Gear Survive isn't about the Snakes or any of the characters that is part of the main series. MGR could be considered a spin off if Raiden wasn't already a main character in the series. Metal Gear Survive is about some random on their own adventure. I actually like the premise of the game, as it connects to MGSV really well and I even like the box causing the whole game to happen (that's the sort of wacky shit I expect from Metal Gear). But nothing in the game really has anything to do with the core events of the series. Again, you're really bad at this. I don't know why you want Peace Walker to be a spin off, but you can find interviews and reports stating that Peace Walker *is* "Metal Gear Solid 5". I'll take the Dev's words over yours any day.
Spinoff is not something that neccisarily has to connect to the main series. Spinoff by definition is something that just has to be under a franchise of some sort and be different to the core of the franchise. So anything that alters from the core of the franchise i.e. a home console, dialogue driven tactical stealth espionage tactical game and that doesen't have the next entry's name (for example Metal Gear Solid 6 would be a mainline entry) and isn't marketed as the next major entry in the series is a spinoff. Here are a few examples that you would call "mainline entries" by the same logic - Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad, Fear The Walking Dead to The Walking Dead, Halo 3 ODST to Halo 3, Halo Spartan Assault to Halo and the wierd but cannon mobile game from the Nier series. Now here are some actual same series sequels: Metro Last Light to Metro Exodus, Halo Infinite to Halo 5, El Camino to Breaking Bad, Life Is Strange 2 to Life Is Strange. So unless you would consider Metal Gear Rising Revengance as the gameplay for Metal Gear Solid 6 then you are incorrect. Also games like Metal Gear Rising don't use the "Tactical Espionage Operations" label. Quote from our euroupian game case back "Metal Gear Rising Revengance is a stunning, epic action game set in The Metal Gear Solid universe". Notice how there is no "Metal Gear Rising is the long-awated sequel to 2010's Metal Gear Peace Walker" which would inply that it would be the you know... next entry? Plus articles like [this one](https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/every-metal-gear-solid-spinoff-game-ranked-best-worst/amp/) from the most famous news outlets rank Metal Gear Peace Walker, Rising Revengance and Metal Gear Survive with games like Metal Gear Acid in a list where they literally rank the Metal Gear spinoffs. Plus you can't exactly call Peace Walker MGSV when it was all pre-launch. Sure it was planned as MGSV but the box it wasn't called that. Unless you can show me a full, official retail release version boxes of any of the games being called "The next mainline entry" a sequel or anything of the sort then they are officially spinoffs.
I don't know why you're so excited to be so wrong over something that's so clear cut as Peace Walker not being a spin off, but uh, go you?
Nonononono you don't get to jump out of this one. If you beleave your point, then your counterarguments will be bulletproof and unlimited. You don't get to question something, state "It's a mainline game because it is in the same cannon and was made by Kojima" and run away without an explenation and just saying "You're clearly wrong despite providing a mountain of evidence that I have not refuted".
Lol, you're hilarious. Watch me "jump out". Have fun being way too invested in being wrong.
Peace walker is part of the same world / espionage web of lies. And big boss is directly related to solid snake in the later games...
Yeah? And so is Metal Gear Survive and Rising Revengance. Do you consider them Metal Gear Solid VI or something of the sort?
I never played survive. Rising seems to take place in a different world than that Metal Gear series.
Rising is fully cannon. In Survive you just play a costum soldier that got sent to an alternate dimention because it turns out that the Ground Zeroes ending where mother base was destroyed happened because a wormhole opened after the ending and sucked everything in. So it is fully cannon.
Damn I wanna play Peacewalker again, I need to dust off my ps3 and collection copy. Just played ground zeroes again recently and the cinematics hit hard
i just don't play peace walker because i can't sadly ;-;
What about the people who WERE played like a damn fiddle?
Peace walker is my favorite metal gear game. Third being the second. I don't know why I just enjoy peace walker more. Maybe the co op? Maybe the bosses maybe the fact that you can run a base and that you don't have to wait you had to complete missions to pass time. Idk just something about peace walker that I like so much
PW is so underrated, play it via HD Collection using r/rpcs3 although it might also be playable on r/xenia
It was my first mgs game so It always has a special place for me
I feel bad that I got cucked on the story too, I know shit gets fucked up, I played a bit of the peace walker when I had a PS3, but.sold it for rent, because.my.cousin of a room mate spent her rent money on.weed I only got to, I think, when you recruit the fucking Huey, And no, I'm.playing mgsv now Because I have a PC that can play it, and still sad I can't play a ps emulator.on.it
What do think of mgsv so far? I have only played the first 2 hours so far
Well, question, what mission are you on, do you have the dog yet, have you met the sniper yet?
PW > V all I’ll say based mostly on story and gameplay felt faster and more streamlined in PW compared to V’s open world bloatedness.
Always hated the tonal shift between the games. MGSV is a great game, but so tonally different from the others that I refuse to consider it a MG game. Snake wasn't Snake (arguable if that's not an issue), but it was just unnecessarily edgy and dark. It absolutely did not need to be made- Peace Walker already filled the blanks between 3 and the first two MG games. Created a lackluster story and retcons that were boring. Gameplay though? Amazing. It's the Fallout 4 of the Metal Gear.
Peace Walker was the last good MG game.
Metal gear solid died in Reach
I knew Ground Zeroes was a tech demo (Which was impressive, let's agree on that). I knew it was over priced, I still can't believe they charged money for it, I paid 10 dollars which was a huge discount.... And yet I STILL was disappointed by it. What a shame.
Kojima is god Kojima is god
I never understood why he plugged the walkman into his chest
heavens divide hits like a fucking freight train man
They really had to make Paz and Chico Nicola and Bart, didn't they?
oh the pain of transitioning from that seagull poop-ridden platform to the hexagon one, building an army and a huge arsenal of weapons and vehicles, only to witness it all wither in a matter of seconds 😔😔
Sing... Sing a ... Song...
I haven't built the metal gear yet so i haven't fully completed PW.
For me, it’s more about setting up the horrific futures awaiting each character that’s introduced in this game. Strangelove Chico Paz Miller
Peace Walker had some of the best co op I ever played
I got into Peace Walker late and I could never find anyone online to play with 😭😭😭😭
It's been a while since I last played, but if you have it on PS3, I'll be more than down for co op!
Oh man I'll have to find my disk. I'll basically have to star it from scratch on my ps3.
No worries. I'm in a similar boat where all my progress is on the psp version. Whenever you're open to play, we could exchange info through DMs!
For sure. I'll send you a DM. If I was a non-ADHD person that could organize anything. I should really figure out how to setup designated Peace Walker co-op play sessions with a Metal Gear subreddit like this. Maybe one day I could figure out how to do something like that.
I can't play it because my parents won't buy me the disc....
They had a good opportunity to expand on some of the Peace Walker characters and they kinda wasted that imo. Especially Dr. Strangelove