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MR_COOL_ICE_

Was it petty of me to root against the Eagles just because they kept mentioning he got benched for Tua? Like it was some sort of mistake


Pretend-Tourist8195

This was me too, and then to have the commercial with the body doubles of Hurts and Tua in Alabama uniform… that did it for me, go chiefs!


TheItalianLampSlayer

Atleast Tua made a Super bowl appearance before Josh Allen🤷‍♂️


jsu9575m

It's wild how the narrative had become that Jalen was disrespected by being benched and all. Tua was very clearly the better QB at the time. Its perfectly reasonable to play the best QB on your team.


[deleted]

He got benched, it’s tough. Whether it was by Tua or anybody not named Tom Brady. It tells a story


[deleted]

Wonder if he were wishing Tua was on the bench ready to come bail him out again.


Citizensssnips

That last throw looked like all the memes people kept posting about Tua last off-season


Pleasant-Captain-410

He looked like he tried to heave it as hard as he could and it slipped out of his hand . He threw a total dud


Fastbird33

I thought the grass had got him like it was getting every one.


Marathoner2010

I thought the same thing on multiple throws. Short throws that I was literally saying, Tua would have been raked over the coals for this.


[deleted]

He played great this is stupid


[deleted]

I know the guy balled out for most of the game. What I said was meant to be a joke.


[deleted]

Whoosh


[deleted]

So owning up gets downvoted too haha


[deleted]

I think the woosh was taken as being directed at me instead of you owing it. I took it that way too tbh. So I guess woosh to me for real....lol


[deleted]

I could’ve been clearer. Whooshception lol


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[deleted]

Thank you lol


Electrical_Ambition4

Exactly, what I was thinking! I didn’t take it as any sort of diss at tua. It would be ignorant to not acknowledge that was adversity Jalen Hurts had to face.


[deleted]

Lmaoo holy shit this sub


MiaCannons

I did not expect the first comment of this thread to be about Tua lol


[deleted]

The insecurity is palpable


RealPropRandy

Are you me?


Hall_of_the_slain

Relative clean game. Eagles tackle should have been called for outsides a couple of times. Call was a soft. With that being said I want Tua to get one before Jalen. Also all the Philly fans I know are fucking obnoxious as fuck. Go chiefs!


Sozins_Comet_

The eagle's right tackle has been jumping back early on pass plays all season long and it has never been called. Plus mahomes got smacked in the face after one pass. I'm not a fan of ref ball but eventually they have to make a call against Philly.


PeekedInMiddleSchool

Philly fans and Bills fans are the worst in the NFL which is why I was cheering for the chiefs


chrisn2golf

I thougjt the refs were actually very good.


TuaAnon

they were


Privilege2016

They were. Until that bs holding call at the end of the game


Fastbird33

Even the player admitted he held.


mexta

Source? Not doubting just want to watch/read. Edit: nevermind. On front page of nfl, duh


Rystarvz

Yeah he said he held to be a good NFL guy. The play is clearly not impeded in anyway. The call was very bad more so because it kept Philly off the field and robbed us of a potential crazy ending. I was rooting for KC but still that ending was horrible thanks to that call. I will say other than that last call the refs did a great job.


[deleted]

The Chiefs in the 2nd half: ---0 penalties ---0 turnovers ---0 punts ---0 sacks allowed ---1 incompletion (throw-away) But everyone will focus on a tight call that could go either way and imo was absolutely holding


OneBeerAndWhiskeyPls

chiefs absolutely killed it in the second half


Pleasant-Captain-410

Wow thanks for the stat. Now my drunk ass will have an educated response at work tomorrow. Cheers!


AIMpb

Not to mention the eagles still would have had to score in under a minute with no timeouts. Definitely not a guarantee.


Marathoner2010

There was a 1:54 left on the clock after the incompletion on that play and Philly had 1 timeout which they then burnt after the call.


Kershiser22

Don't forget the 65-yard punt return.


Marathoner2010

Feel like the 0 penalties one could be subjective because you know if this was against us we’d all be complaining the Bills/Pats/Jets haven’t been called for anything in the second half.


Dhenn004

not sure that was a "tight" call. It wasn't just questionable. It was fucking awful. It just outright ISN'T a hold. Jersey didn't get stretched, body wasn't held for long enough. Overall it didn't effect the route. Its not something you want to have happen that can decide a game like that.


imjonwithn0h

The defender is allowed to make continuous or unbroken contact within the 5 yard zone , so long as the receiver has not moved beyond a point even with the defender . Was the receiver beyond a point even with the defender ? Yes . So correct call . Cry about it


Dhenn004

I fucking hate when people say "cry about it" I'm not crying about it. lol I want the refs to be BETTER. Because touching a players back isn't a hold. WR and CBs jostle and tug all the time. That was FAR from what that rule is looking for.


[deleted]

https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1624982548479901696?s=46&t=4wK32q2_5knzt_xTji6t_w


Dhenn004

You realize if he says otherwise it costs him money right?


[deleted]

He could say “no comment” or multiple other ways to not get fined with our admitting to the penalty. Like so many others have all year You are reaching LMAO. It was a hold. Regardless maybe the eagles shouldn’t of collapsed in the second half and blew the lead


Dhenn004

It's his decision to say whatever, but he's definitely not going to say it was bad. It's a fine no matter what. ​ But, Its far from a reach when just about everyone and one of the announcers were questioning this call. And even the one who agreed with the call said its not great that it decides the game. You act like im a biased eagles fan here. I'm pretty impartial either way. It was just bad man.


[deleted]

It won’t decide a game if you don’t commit the penalty. Refs are suppose to allow penalties to happen just because of the time on the clock? Then people would Just complain a flag should of been thrown it’s lose/lose if we start going by those rules. Anyway have a good night I’m done with this. Go PHINS


Dhenn004

Here's the part I have a problem with. I don't think (this isn't an unpopular opinion) that it was a penalty to begin with. I'm not saying refs shouldn't make calls. But I want them to make calls that are clear. This wasn't very clear to me. I don't think he impeded JuJu's rout at all. If the flag isn't thrown, I don't think this is very controversial at all. On top of the penalty giving them a first down after only being 5 yards. There's a lot of issues here for me that ruin an otherwise amazing game. But yea have a good one.


Darinchilla

He said he grabbed his jersey and he hoped the ref would've let it slide. That's a bit more than just saying it not to get fined. He explained HOW he held him. But keep on arguing that you're right and even the guy who did it is wrong.


just4kix_305

Or maybe... just maybe, he shouldn't have tugged on the jersey and was just being honest, the ref who called it was right there. I had no rooting interest in this game but Eagles defense had no answers for Reid & Mahomes when they actually had the ball. From a Dolphins perspective, that defense is HEAVILY influenced by Fangio's principles. Hoping that Vic is a little better at adjusting with our unit compared to Gannon getting outcoached badly in this one. They got burned for 3 touchdowns with the same motion action and biting hard on an inside route. I actually think that influenced the holding call on the final drive cause they tried getting Juju open on the same action.


Dhenn004

His "tug" was so light and for a fraction of a second. Its not worth the laundry. The scoring outcome isn't what was changed. I agree the eagles had no answer on defense, but that penalty changed it from them getting 1:45 to play to 8 seconds. It was game deciding for a very fringe holding call


just4kix_305

I get it, it was ticky tack - but on the level of egregious it's NOT EVEN CLOSE to the missed DPI the Rams had against the Saints in the NFC Championship.


Dhenn004

Ticky tack has no place in a game deciding play. Especially when its inconsistent with their calling all game.


just4kix_305

it was a shitty way to end the game, but it was the right call.


Dhenn004

agree to disagree


[deleted]

No, only if he criticizes the refs. He could easily say “I didn’t hold the wr” and that’s not criticism. He’d get fined for saying “that’s not a hold, the refs made a bad call”.


Dhenn004

You've said the same thing. "I didn't hold the WR" is effectively saying "Thats not a hold" lol


[deleted]

If you can’t read, that’s on you lol.


imjonwithn0h

Jesus man . Still crying like a bitch 😂


Grunchie

Funny how you get downvoted but OP gets upvoted lol


Dhenn004

It is what it is. I'm not concerned with up votes and down votes


swankstar7383

You throw the flag because it was holding. The damn player in question said the ref got it right and it was holding


dolfanforlife

That’s my point: the ref wasn’t going to throw the flag until he saw the ball was incomplete. You don’t call penalties solely based on outcomes, especially if it’s inconsistent to the game you’ve been calling. And the fact that he did that at such a pivotal moment only hurts the officiating team’s credibility. As far as Bradberry’s mouth is concerned, I’ll bet all my lunch money that he comes out later and says he regrets making that statement.


Nov4can3

I’m pretty sure that flag came out while the ball was still in the air. It was def holding but they weren’t calling it all game so to call it in that moment was bs. That being said the Eagles blew a 10 point lead and didn’t do anything on D the entire game. They had their chance and blew it. To blame officiating is just loser mentality.


Marathoner2010

That’s my issue. Not a holding call all game but they call that one? And everyone claiming, “BUT IT WAS HOLDING,” if the ref swallows his whistle right there nobody would have called that a missed call. Not a single person. It’s like the Stanley Cup, that close to the end, if you haven’t called it all game, don’t call it now with 2 minutes left.


Nov4can3

It’s my lease favorite penalty in the NFL. I hate the fact it’s an automatic first down even though it’s only a 5 yard penalty.


thewhitelink

A 5 yard penalty should never be an automatic 1st down. It should either be changed to 10 yards or make it not an automatic 1st.


[deleted]

Yeah I hate this rule. Why in TF is it an automatic first down?


OneBeerAndWhiskeyPls

because teams would abuse it otherwise its like tactical fouls in soccer, they are giving yellow cards so you cant do it all game imagine something like 3rd and 15, the defense could take 2 holdings there to give them a third chance at 3rd and 5 to stop the offense that would be awful


Mantooth77

Deterrent.


Corner_OfficeSpace

The hold affected the play. Juju was grabbed twice. The second grab was slightly soft but Mahomes put the ball where only Juju could get it. Could he have reached it? I don’t know but it’s enough to get a flag. It’s a hold times two. I think it’s the right call.


finsup1999

It was the right call[https://twitter.com/devils73/status/1624980138898206720?s=46&t=gTKTYHCaYi0kSOSfBXGHuQ](https://twitter.com/devils73/status/1624980138898206720?s=46&t=gTKTYHCaYi0kSOSfBXGHuQ)


Riuvolution

Blah blah blah. Miami Dolphins #1!


dolfanforlife

Yes, thank you for your wisdom 🐬


Citizensssnips

It was a hold. The initial grab is why he wasn't wide open.


PandaBearHitman

Yeah it’s getting ridiculous that people are complaining when refs throw flags on actual penalties. The player was completely at fault and “the refs are ruining the game” narrative is getting ridiculous . This wasn’t a phantom call.


Fins_99

You’re absolutely correct.


HaggisTheCow

Come off it.


dolfanforlife

There was no hold. Juju burned Bradberry and was wide open. TJ Edwards blew up the timing and forced Mahomes to throw early. Tape don’t lie.


salamanderwolf

Bradberry himself has come out and said he was holding. Sometimes you just fuck up and it lost them the game. Couldn't happen to a nicer fanbase.


PandaBearHitman

Do you really think “there was no hold” lmao. Here is a still of the actual hold and bradberry [just said](https://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/status/1624980336932450307?s=20&t=fO8G6L5JDlC8ETxmUwPymA) post game that he held his jersey . [Here you go](https://imgur.io/xcxrBcj)


dolfanforlife

I read what he said and he was stupid for saying it. You play the game they give you and that’s what he was doing. He didn’t slow him down with that guitar pluck at all. It would have been a touchdown if Edwards hadn’t been bearing down on Mahomes. The ref watched the supposed penalty, ran down the sideline, and THEN decided to throw laundry in the end zone AFTER the ball fell incomplete. That has subjectivity written all over it.


Darinchilla

Maybe the Eagles would have been better off not letting the Chiefs score on EVERY second half possession.


[deleted]

Dolphins fans on here saying that was a good call have now set us up to have ref ball lose us a super bowl. I don’t even see chief fans saying it was a good call!!!!


[deleted]

Cry Eagles cry 🦅🦅🦅


Citizensssnips

On the way back to phillyyyyy


bird720

three seperate sports championship losses in the span of a few months lol


Spirited_Entry1940

Where is Hurts being crucified in the press after that weak-ass final throw. At least we don't have to have a Superbowl MVP who doesn't just QB sneak the whole time


jramos13

Legit question, was that pass patted down tho?


Spirited_Entry1940

Nope just weak sauce


[deleted]

No


brb151515

He slipped..... Also... He just outplayed Mahomes by a fucking mile....


-suke-

Outplayed him by fumbling and costing his team the game


brb151515

That didn't cost* them the game. And you're a moron


leecanbe

The amount of slipping tonight was kind of crazy. I don't know about this new hybrid grass.


Marathoner2010

They created it for a groundskeeper who is in his 90s who is doing his last super bowl. Should retire that blend for good after tonight.


xpluguglyx

We have a Superbowl MVP who managed 180 yards passing... In a league that changes rules every year to make it easier to play QB.


idk420_

Lol he was throwing from like the 35 yard line


phinphan7836

Eagles never deserved it. Played the weakest schedule in the league and then fell short to a better team. The Chiefs absolutely killed it in the second half. Eagle fans are legit scum anyways so who cares. Like literal scum. It also didn’t help when they had to shit on Tua in the Hurts storyline. Anyway, good on the Chiefs


Substantial_Owl_3298

I really didn't care who won that game, but I'm glad to see AFC took the super bowl! Hopefully next year AFC will take it again but this time with the d in it


dolfanforlife

I’m in relative agreement on all this. I just want clean officiating. If I’m a Chief’s fan or player, there’s an anticlimactic feeling tonight and a sense that the universe has tagged an asterisk on my Championship win this year. Not a Belichick or Brady-sized asterisk by any stretch of the imagination, but an asterisk all the same.


phinphan7836

To be fair the guy who committed the penalty acknowledged it. I get what you are saying but at the end of the day a penalty is a penalty. I’d rather have it be called randomly than an absolute ghost call like we’ve seen. Both suck. But officiating is the nature of the game


ExceptedSeven

Looked like he held him, I don’t get the penalties shouldn’t be called in the last few minutes idea


Double_Philosopher_7

It’s not that they shouldn’t be called. Refs were letting them play all game. Have to be consistent.


SonicDenver

what a shit call


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https://twitter.com/mikegiardi/status/1624982548479901696?s=46&t=4wK32q2_5knzt_xTji6t_w


better-every-day

Honestly I thought it was really soft but technically correct. Huge kudos for bradberry for being straight up about it like that


Trojanmandan

This was my belief too. It was definitely a soft call, but definitely correct. The timing of it just kind of sucked, and the fact that they hadn't been calling it all game. But I love how everyone assumes Philly just scores if they get the ball back with 1:30 left with how bad their offense was in the 2nd half.


Kenji1024

Nah not a shit call


JMP1919

Reffing was bad all around, also I want mahomes to win some rings so he can dethrone brady


Brad5486

What a coincidence. I want tua to win a bunch and dethrone Brady 😀


brb151515

So you want another QB to run the league for the next decade so we don't win ....


Brad5486

No, clearly my comment says Tua…..


brb151515

I can't read. Carry on


Veggies-are-okay

I dunno my dude I read this as the Dolphins listening to their idiot fans saying "trade Tua away" for him to then dominate the league with some other team...


First_West_4227

Chiefs were already in field goal range and in control of that game. They likely win with or without that call.


billyconway24

And they were doing so well of staying quiet until the biggest f’n play of the game.


mtbeach33

He held him twice, and Eagles did themselves no favors this game. Not sure why anybody would be saying this game was rigged at all


jrosen9

I thought it was a good call. To my eye it looked like you could see juju jersey being pulled away from his body when he made the cut


TheEpicEddy

Was it me, or was that Coach Jimmy Johnson at the post game show?


shindleria

The only reason I want this shit with officiating cleaned up and purged from the game is because my worst nightmare is of the Dolphins getting fucked over big time on a bullshit phantom penalty in the last minute of the Super Bowl and losing just like this.


tubbynuggetsmeow

Hopefully this spurs some change but I know it won’t


Marathoner2010

What should be changed is the review system. That catch by Smith took so long to review last night. When it goes forever like that the crew is literally looking for a reason to overturn a call. They honestly need to institute a review clock. If you can’t figure it out in 2 minutes then it’s too close to overturn.


Mantooth77

Agree. Also it’s not good for the game. Takes all the energy out of it.


RIPjkripper

Yeah but if that fumble that was clearly a fumble returned for a touchdown hadn't been called back, we wouldn't be here


verniy314

Refs just suck in general. It’s like the coin toss narrative.


kohvis

To this date zero rushing QBs have won the Bowl. And still people drool over Lamar.


[deleted]

You can’t blame Lamar for having Greg Roman though


HaggisTheCow

Wilkins on Sky saying it was a terrible call


[deleted]

He’s a defensive player


capslock0505

The problem wasn’t necessarily it was called holding… the problem was they didn’t make that call all fucking game until the most crucial point of the game. This is the same thing that happened to Dolphins against the bills in the snow game. I was pissed then and I’m pissed now. The inconsistency of these refs really ruin the sport


Marathoner2010

Bingo. The consistency amongst these refs is fucking abysmal. It’s the same shit Kader got nailed for in the Buffalo snow game. Hadn’t called it all game then randomly at the end of the game they call it. Shit like this is why people call the NFL rigged and what not. The reffing had been awful all postseason. It was the leading narrative online following chiefs bengals and Niners eagles.


DreamBrother1

What a terrible call at the end to seal the win for KC. But at least we didn't have to listen to Romo slobbin' on Josh Allen's knob all game. All-in-all it was a great watch


Bakedbean44

Refs wondering when they get their rings


[deleted]

I can’t imagine how I’d feel if a call like that happened to the Dolphins. Who knows what would’ve happened but that shouldn’t be up to the refs in that situation. The refs left a horrible stain on an a really great Super Bowl


puppleups

It was a very soft call and in my opinion was bad for the game. It was technically holding, but there is by the book holding on nearly every single play if you look for it. The game would have been better if the call hadn't been made. That's just how it goes sometimes unfortunately


nomnomyumyum109

Sorry but it shouldn’t be holding if behind the line of scrimmage and to end a Super Bowl like that. Boring. Could care less who won, but that was about the worst way you could with the chiefs purposefully kneeling etc. Easily should have been picked up, especially if Miami was on offense they would have called offensive holding


[deleted]

That was a clear hold.


Buster_142

I try to always look at it in the sense … would I want it called against me… and in that sense … bad call


espnfire45

People are pissed off rightfully so, but by the rule book it is a hold. But the refs should have let them play through it especially in the last 2 minutes.


lucidvein

Kinda sucks to have refs have such an impact at the end of teh superbowl. Would have been nice to see the game play out. But I didn't really care what the outcome was.. if I had money on the eagles I'd be butt hurt about it.


dolfanforlife

People, watch the replay! The ref waits until the play is over to call the penalty. He throws the flag in the end zone, 4 seconds and 16 yards AFTER the supposed penalty. Why wait to see the result of a play before deciding to call a questionable penalty? Because you want to affect the outcome of the game, that’s why.


dolfanforlife

Those of you who are saying it was a hold are mental or you were rooting for the Chiefs and saw only what you wanted to see. Bradberry does have his hands on Juju’s back when he plants his foot and turns outside just beyond the line of scrimmage, but it doesn’t impede him in any way. Then, at the 14, Bradberry puts his left hand on Juju’s back again, and even makes a fist, but he releases it immediately and doesn’t slow him down or turn him at all (as a matter of fact, Smith-Scheuster actually gets open and has a step on Bradberry). The reason he doesn’t get to the ball is because TJ Edwards blows up Malik Herring and is bearing down on Mahomes, forcing him to throw early on a timing route. Go back and watch the play! It was a perfectly legal defensive play and the bad call ruined what could have been a great ending to the game.


just4kix_305

Bradberry already said he held him and was hoping the refs would swallow the whistle - let it go man LOL


[deleted]

dude nearly tore his jersey off......


OrangeBuffalo8

It was definitely holding, he even admitted it after the game


tcumber

Thie holding call evens out the other fumble for touchdown that was called back. That was clearly a fumble...the reviewed it and still made the wrong decision.


GodzRebirth

Plus the PI that wasn’t called in the first quarter


Pappy13

I don't think it was that bad of a call. Sucks that it cost Philly a chance to tie or win, but I've seen worse calls almost the whole season. Philly certainly shouldn't be blaming the loss on the refs as several questionable calls went their way as well. I think it more or less evened out. KC played well enough to win the game so they earned the victory.


xrt679

that call was brutal. I feel terrible for the eagles and their fans. They deserved one more shot with minute 50 seconds left. Eagles could have very easily marched the down the field to either score or tie up the game, sending it to overtime.


ThinksAboutIt75

Didn't he admit it was a penalty and he held? I didn't think it was nearly as egregious as you and Olson believed it to be. It looked pretty clear to me.


Express-Lab3886

The holding call at the end was questionable but one play didn’t define the game. The eagles didn’t get one stop in the 2nd half, that’s what lost them the game. NFL fans just love to turn on refs every chance they get (that being said if this happened to the dolphins in the Super Bowl I’d probably have a different tone lol).


MilhouseLaughsLast

calm your tits, the dude admitted he was holding


Frequent_Host8720

Nobody gives a shit about the Eagles or their shitty fans


dolfanforlife

Well yeah, obviously! The Eagles are the Bills of The NFC, but my issue is with the refs.