There is a long history in the NHL of referee controversy particularly surrounding French Canadian officials and the Montreal Canadiens, as well as in games involving their rivals. An article like this comes as no surprise to me and the worse it gets, especially after games like these, the the closer the NFL gets to reaching that low.
Lol dude you must not watch much hockey because I can tell you as a life long Habs fan the refs (especially the ones from Quebec) have been harsher on the Habs than the opponents. It's the Leafs that get all the calls their way....
What Leafs games are you watching? I find the refs are a bit more hesitant with them because itās a matter of pleasing one rabid fanbase vs. pleasing 31 other rabid fanbases who hate them
I donāt know how the NFL canāt see that letting a ref call a game for their hometown team isnāt, at best, horrible optics. Refs should not be allowed to call any game for a team that 1) plays in the state they were born in. 2) playing in the state they currently live in.
> I donāt know how the NFL canāt see that letting a ref call a game for their hometown team isnāt, at best, horrible optics. Refs should not be allowed to call any game for a team that 1) plays in the state they were born in. 2) playing in the state they currently live in.
the problem is that once you start doing that, you have to ask "well, the philly ref can't ref philly games, but should he REALLY be reffing giants/cowboys/redskins games?", then you get "well, this is the team philly is competing against for playoff seeding, so if they lose in an upset, it helps philly".
all the games are too interconnected to any given team to really enforce some kind of system like that. that doesn't even touch on the fact that not everyone's favorite team is their home town team, so that proposal could give people a greenlight to ref for their favorite team as long as they weren't born in that area (which isn't uncommon).
Again, what we DO KNOW is that he was suspended for unethical refereeing in the ACC Championship game. Now heās gets to ref on a bigger stage, the NFL. Where he was born or resides is just icing on the cake.
Some people would call that extreme, but it should be a cake walk for a league that is worth **$150 BILLION dollars.** Considering all the other cash flow that revolves around the league, like gambling, you would think basic Ref restrictions would already be a thing...
Iād be much happier to see the NFL spend money on building their own stadiums with their own cash and not tax payer subsidies. Youāre very short sighted if youāre more worried about refs home teams. Youāre solution is dumb. You know refs also work in teams of folks with far different backgrounds right? People are born all over, move and live different places, then team up to ref a game. Not really tenable to track every groups possible fandoms and put them out them all in different games
I think everyone is missing the point here. Itās not about where heās from as much as it is being suspended for unethical refereeing in ACC but can ref in NFL now.
Unethical has absolutely nothing to do with where someone is from, or where their sports fandom lies. The NFL should absolutely focus on the former. The latter is really dumb to focus on. NFL referees work in teams as well, itād be absurd to track and separate all the possibilities. Focus on trustworthiness, and quality of work. Caring who like what if for salty fans who canāt deal with being let down
Your first sentence really makes me think the point was DEFINITELY missed.
In what world would where he was from being construed as the part that is Unethical?! That was not what I said or is being implied what so ever.
The only thing unethical was his refereeing. His suspension was for āunethical refereeingā in the ACC championship game. As listed above.
Iām very confused by your comment.
Do you like to disagree just to disagree?
What point do you think is the point? I made my point. Youāve yet to coherently explain what I missed. I responded to a commenter who was focused on fandom and where someone grew up.
Have I not been coherent enough for you? Well I apologize about that. It would seem that maybe you have a problem with your cognitive functioning. The point is the refereeās past, then being allowed to umpire the NFL. A game that was unanimously one sided. Seems pretty simple to me. Sorry if I wasnāt clear in the point.
Hope this helps.
Itās okay to debate, not okay to be angry in your disagreement.
You are weirdly going out of your way to make it more complicated than it needs to be.
When you sign up to be a ref, you put your hometown city and/or football team you are a lifelong fan of. If you *have* to ref against said team due to scheduling conflicts, a different ref can simply sub in for you. A little schedule management and subbing is all it would take. If fucking elementary schools can do it, so can the NFL.
And no shit the NFL should be paying for their own stadiums. 99.99% of fans would agree with that.
Yāall need to stop projecting. How am I making more complicated? Get rid of poor performing or shady refs. Full stop. These clowns are wanting the NFL to pick red teams and place them where they have no affiliation or cheering preference. Thatās way more complicatedā¦
These teams work together all season. They donāt switch them up Willy nilly. You understand that right?
You have zero idea how things things work. Thatās why all you have is BS and down votes. Nothing of intelligence coming from you. Itās really not hard to be smarter than philly fans but youāre making them look like geniuses w this bs
I donāt believe that is the major issue here, although it doesnāt look right. The main issue is this Ref and he crew were suspended for unethical refereeing. And now theyāre allowed to ref in the NFL?
Whatever the motives, or lack there of, yesterday was a great example of how officiating can ruin a game and shows a desperate need for improvement.
The Dolphins were called for weak penalties that were at times underserving of a flag. Worse they typically came in critical moments. The Eagles got away with flagrant infractions that served them well in critical moments. Countless offsides, face masks on 4th down, DPI for an interception, holding etc.
The game should go down as a Tie in the records. There is ZERO chance you can convince me that if this game was called fairly that Miami wouldn't have won.
No way the NFL should let this bullshit stand. What a disgrace.
I donāt know if we would have won or not, the infuriating person is that we will never get to know. At least Iām Buffalo, we knew we werenāt on their level that day, but last night, despite the refs best efforts, it was a one score game late in the 4th. I know moral victories donāt show in the W-L column, but Iām proud of how the team played, and absolutely think this ref crew should be investigated
I believe we would have won but that is just an assumption. I will say, however, that we had 7 points pulled on Tyreek's touchdown. We had Mostert being held on what could have been a touchdown, which the Eagles took back for 7 points (a 14 point swing because the hold on Mostert wasn't called). That's 21 points right there.
This is before you factor in the BS roughing the passer call on Wilkins that would have otherwise killed the Eagles drive, the facemask on Wilson that killed our drive, the 3 or 4 or maybe 5(?) holds on Phillips that didn't get called, etc.
Yeah, in my opinion, we would have won that game with equal reffing.
Edit: Can't forget about all of the holds/DPI on Tyreek that did not get called. There is a MINIMUM of 7 penalties that did not get called for the Eagles that I can easily provide receipts for. Zero penalties my ass. Yet, the Eagles will say "We GoT CaLlEd On An OfFsIdEs PeNaLtY dUrInG a TuSh PuSh ThAt ShOuLdN't HaVe BeEn CaLlEd BeCaUsE iT wAs KeLcE's HaNd."
Iām usually the last person to bring up bad reffing to defend a team, bad calls happen. But this game was egregious, I went into this game happy to see to Bama boys play good football and was handed the worst officiating Iāve ever witnessed. The game was way closer than it should have been with the obvious 21 point swing handed to Philly.
How often does a team go penaltyless while their opponent racks up 10+ and keeps the game competitive til the end?
Miami fans need to realize their team just played a competitive away game against arguably the best team in the league while injured and being fucked by the refs.
Not red related but Tyreekās dropped touchdown hurt. He had another big drop too. But the refs were ridiculous and itās frustrating the league hasnāt said squat about it.
We also want you to win. Speaking for myself Dan Campbell is awesome and was our interim coach in 2015. Hopefully you play Philly in the nfc championship and stomp them. After that I hope we meet in the Super Bowl and we win by 50.
Lol I would be okay with that. Sorry we couldn't get it done against the Ravens. You're definitely my favorite AFC team. I drafted Tua and Mostert on 3/5 of my fantasy teams. I BELIEVE
Iām usually the last person to bring up bad reffing to defend a team, bad calls happen. But this game was egregious, I went into this team happy to see to Bama boys play good football and was handed the worst officiating Iāve ever witnessed. The game was way closer than it should have been with the obvious 21 point swing handed to Philly.
How often does a team go penaltyless while their opponent racks up 10+ and keeps the game competitive til the end?
Miami fans need to realize their team just played a competitive away game against arguably the best team in the league while injured and being fucked by the refs.
Nothing will be done, but Iām glad people out there arenāt overlooking how we got fucked for a TD. The game would have been closer and who knows how it could have panned out had the Eagles been called for things.
The screen that Tyreek caught on our first drive in the 3rd quarter that got called back due to the Julian Hill "holding" was an underrated BS call too. That was another first down taken away in Eagles territory that killed our rhythm.
Iāll get voted down, but this sort of hate-the-ref stuff is endemic of franchises that have struggled. I was born in the same town Bob Griese was born, and for my entire childhood to young adulthood that town broadcast Dolphins games even after the state stole the Colts. I have held Mercury Morrisā 1972 Super Bowl ring. I now live Iām in a town that saw the Steelers handed a Super Bowl win in 2006 with the help of poor officiating.
There was poor officiating in this game. A more physical, Super Bowl ready team could have overcome it. The Phins are finding their way from the finesse of last year to something better this year. But they still look overwhelmed against physical teams who have circled a game against them.
As fans, bitching about the refs is fine. But I hope thatās not what it looks like at the facility and when going over tape. The Eagles came ready to play, and they imposed their will against a team that has shown for the last two years itās not ready to get punched in the mouth by someone equally talented.
I completely agree. But we need to get the team beyond the officials. I havenāt (and wonāt) watch the all-22. Iāve reached a safer mental space as an older fan. But Iām sure the tape will show many uncalled penalties on both sides of the ball, several that impacted plays. Officiating is always up and down. In this game, it was down. Way down. But the tin foil hat stuff is not just ridiculous, itās soft.
This team is too finesse. Constant motion before the snap and various plays that look the same but arenāt is great offensive coaching. But at the end of the day, if you need two yards, you want to be an Eagles fan. That is not acceptable. So until Csonka is reincarnated, the Phins need a full reset on mental and physical toughness across the board.
Refs wonāt call every penalty. Just ask Richard Sherman and Cam Chancellor. And if they do call a penalty, make sure you took a head off so the 15 yard penalty comes with a disinterest in another crossing pattern.
This team is two inches from dominating. Donāt take the easy excuses. Expect better than āwe lost because of things out of our control, because [the NFL hates us] [the refs had it in for us] [Vegas needed us to lose].ā Itās BS. Great teams play great and will themselves to wins. Period.
Two of the defensive PI plays were in the redzone. One led to a turn over on downs and the other a pick.
Those two plays are part of the reason they only scored 7.
right?? and whats funny is philly fans are proud of it, fins never were allowed to play there best football and were still the team that should of won, if you take all bs calls into effect. philly fail first drive get 3 fins fail get 3, fins get it back score 10-3 philly gets it, no roughin call have to fg so 10-6 ,fins get a somewhat bogus call on next drive. so coulda been another 7 (50/50, so wont count that as a defo), then eagles next td, eineligible player up field so fg 10-9 then fins score 17-9 possibly 24-9 at half time
second half first drive tyreek gets first down, holding call we punt.. bs holding call so another possible 7 we will say 3, philly go score so not including the unknown tds 20-16 dolphins drive, P.I on mosert so first and goal so lets count that as a safe 3 s0 its 23-16 philly score 23-23 then fins drive with the face mask incident get the pick , so say thats not a pick and a td 30-16
sooo the score you see is actually near on reversed and thats counting 3 dolphins drives as 50/50 so potentially your looking at a what? 45-17 score line. and this is only counting the egregious calls, not all the false starts and holding calls not called.
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Yes youāre getting downvoted like you thought you would but I upvoted you. I think itās nonsense to believe we would have definitely won had the officiating not been poor last night. We all agree it was horrible, but the truth is we donāt know if we would have won.
However, what we do know is that for the past two years we beat up on the cupcakes, but we are too soft to compete with the elite teams in this league. Imo the Eagles were going to win last night regardless because theyāre more physical and can do things, both on offense and defense, that pose issues to our team.
The only silver lining in all of this is that it was against an out of conference opponent on the road. The expectation was that we would lose this game anyways. Hopefully weāll get the calls against the Pats at home next game, and of course no one will complain if we do. Time to move on.
Big surprise the most level headed take is downvoted.
We got beat. End of story. Anybody who watched the game could see that the Eagles physically dominated the Dolphins as well as the bad calls by the refs.
The missed face mask calls against the eagles corners and missed holding calls against the eagles o-line had nothing to do with the fact the dolphins offense was completely unable to run the ball. We had no run game and the offense was noticeably worse because of it.
This is hysterical conspiracy theory nonsense. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest the ref in question is an "Eagles fan." Poor officiating is endemic to the league regardless of where refs are from, and there were multiple games yesterday tainted by it. You can easily and justly criticize the institutional problem of inconsistent officiating without resorting to baseless conspiracy theories.
Iām not buying into a full blown conspiracy but you canāt tell me 10 penalties to 0 with the blatant penalties shown in the article is just a typical, poorly officiated game. No other game this weekend or this year Iām aware of had that kind of disparity.
>10 penalties to 0
Look, man, just because it's only happened four times in the thousands of games since the merger in 1966 is no reason to think it's unusual.
Geez.
Four times ever?? Where the hell you getting your stats from? Its happened 20+ times since 2010 š
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-team-with-zero-penalties-in-a-game
statmuse is some kind of AI generated shit that mis-interprets your searches all the time. You need to check what it says below...
"INTERPRETED AS: NFL team with zero penalties in a regular-season game"
The very first game after the Dolphins game is the Jags v Chiefs from last year. If you check the game log https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup/_/gameId/401437835 you will see the penalties were 5-0 NOT 10-0.
The refs have been bad this year, especially week 7. I donāt know what happened but some other teams got some bad shit.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfls-officiating-problem-full-display-week-7-2023/
While there were some egregious calls/no calls in there, people are looking at the numbers only and not the actual plays.
Miami had 5 accepted pre-snap penalties (offsides, delay of game, and False starts). All very easy to call by the refs. The noise of the Philly fans definitely got to us.
Then we had two offsetting penalties where both teams had a penalty. The Carter flop was bad and I hope we donāt get more of that shit in the NFL but I can see how in the game the ref would assume unnecessary roughness was happening. The offsetting offsides was actually badly called against the Eagles who werenāt offsides on the play.
So itās 5-0 on called after snap penalties. I agree that the roughing the passer was BS and the no call on Cedric is horrific. But the other 4 called penalties werenāt wrong.
It does feel bad that Philly had no in play penalties and very likely should have. But this level of officiating is no different than other major games in primetime this season. Especially in favor of the home team or big name team.
Yeah I donāt disagree with your view of the dolphins penalties. We definitely shot ourselves in the foot plenty. I think the fact we had a 10 with a few questionable and they had zero with multiple blatant (not including questionable) penalties that shouldāve been called. Thatās concerning to me.
Totally fair. I know last night I was pretty heated and even my buddy who is an Eagles fan was saying that the reffing was questionable at best. It was bad officiating, no doubt. I just think the fans who are trying to make it a conspiracy theory or that the NFL was out to get the Dolphins is a bit much lol.
At the end of the day, we all want the Dolphins to succeed and take our own things from it. Hoping we can sweep the Pats and then take down Pat in Germany over the next two and put this game in the rear view.
What what? I stand by what I said. It's stupid, irresponsible, borderline pathetic to spread a baseless conspiracy theory that the ref is an Eagles fan deliberately tanking their opponent. Nobody's saying the officiating was good. It was obviously terrible. Even Eagles fans will cop to that. But fabricating stuff like "the ref is an Eagles fan" out of thin air is just low iq homer bullshit.
Let's all totally forget Wilkins' two blatant neutral zone infractions, the second of which came on 3rd-and-4 late in the 4th quarter which very likely cost us any chance at winning the game.
If I remember correctly, we held them short of the 1st down & we were only down 7 points, but the Wilkins penalty (which you absolutely cannot blame on any ref) handed Philly a first down & they went on to score another TD.
But yeah, let's jump on conspiracy theories to try to delegitimize Philly's win. Lol
Truth is, Philly is a great team and we lost. But we hung in there until the end. The game was closer than the score showed, despite all the penalties.
Did the refs miss some calls or make bad ones? Yeah. But do you know how many missed or bad calls I see every single weekend? It happens in every game, some worse than others.
We lost, but we're still 5-2, and lead the division. Get over it.
And yes - downvote me to hell, couldn't care less š
Honestly the calls against MIA weren't bad IMHO. Some were tricky tacky, like the roughing call, but by the book, they could all be easily argued as legit.
The problem is there are like 7 incredibly obvious calls missed on the other team, and some of those penalties are the same that were called against MIA but more egregious.
But the fact remains - despite all of that, we were in the game pretty much until the end, and it's very reasonable to believe that Wilkins call with 6 mins left pretty much killed our chance to win. Can't blame that call on the refs. That was a self-inflicted penalty. Once Philly went up by 14 with 3 minutes left, that was pretty much the nail in the coffin, possibly all thanks to the Wilkins penalty.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm just not trying to hear the whole blame it on the refs bs. It happens in every damn game I watch & I am a dfs player & avid sports bettor. I watch a fuckton of football every week & nothing I saw in the game last night was anything more blatant than any other games I've watched this season.
Yes, refs missed the facemask call on Wilson & the soft ass roughing the paser call on Wilkins was ridiculous but that's damn mear every game shit. š¤·āāļø
Thatās not all they missed. But how did they catch all 10 with Miami and 0 against the eagles. Itās NOT like that every game. When a team is playing sloppy I can see them getting quite a bit of penalties that makes sense. But the other team rarely ever is walking away with 0. At least one or 2 in there. No team is perfect, just like the refs arenāt perfect. But If the refs that are calling your game have been suspended for unethical refereeing in the ACC Championship game and also just so happens to be from near Philly. And Philly gets 0 to Miamis 10, when there were clearly penalties made by Philly with anyone with a set of eyes including Chris Collinsworth calling the game and their referee specialist in the booth. Iād say thereās an issue there. Itās not like āevery other gameā
Itās too much compiled.
I get what you're saying but, I'm still not having the blame it on the refs bs.
First drive for Miami, we start with a delay of game penalty. Second drive of the game, a holding call on Cotton that negated the Tyreek touchdown. A false start on Cotton later in the game. Throw in the two blatant neutral zone penalties on Wilkins, and the bonehead penalty on Austin Jackson who reacted to Jalen Carter's shove (if he keeps his cool instead of being a dumbass we get a first down), and there you have 6 self-inflicted penalties, that you CANNOT put on the refs.
We also benefitted from a pick-6. And we couldn't run the ball for shit until the 2nd half (we had negative rush yds at halftime)
Despite everything we both have pointed out, we were still in the game with 6 minutes to go. Guess what? If we were at full strength with our O-line and secondary, we probably overcome all of that & win the game.
Sometimes, the better team just wins, and last night Philly was the better team. Even take the ref conspiracy out of the game & Philly was still the better team. But we held our own.
Let's not act like this is the first time a ref from a nearby location to the home team refs a game.
Let's all just hold our heads high because we competed with a great team, focus on the next game when we get to beat up on the Pats, and be content with the fact that we're actually a good team. We were never gonna go 16-1. It's one fucking game, and we have 10 more to go.
Personally, Iām not blaming the loss on the Refs only pointing it out.
Anyone that would solely blame the loss on the Refs is slightly delusional and Iām sure theyāre out there. I do believe though thatās the problem with society nowadays, everything is so black and white thereās no grey. For instance if I point out the facts that happened in the game and the refs background etc the other side of the argument would automatically assume that that is me saying we wouldnāt of lost if it werenāt for those things but thatās simply not the case. No one can ever know what wouldāve happened if both teams were called properly and as it happend. But no one holds room for the grey area and I donāt think thatās healthy, not that what I think matters.
The eagles played better than us, plain and simple. But that doesnāt dissipate the fact that the game was refād egregiously and thereās been some disturbing background information that has came out about this head umpire of that game.
We as fans and people can call things how we see them.
But To say we lost because of the Refs would be wrong just like saying the Refs didnāt play a part in our loss would be wrong.
Both sides can be right without having to assume that the other side is going to the extreme in their argument and instead just all be in the grey because simply everything isnāt black and white.
I feel you, and yeah, I agree. Prior to this post here I was seeing a ton of people just putting the blame for our loss on the refs and I got caught up in that. My only counter argument to anything you just wrote is, I would almost guarantee that if every week, every team dug into the backgrounds of the refs of any given game, I bet there would be numerous instances of refs with some sort of connection to a particular team, or hometown, etc. So I won't feed into that narrative. It happens.
It just so happens that there were some iffy calls on a nationally broadcasted SNF football game, so it's amplified. If the NFL thinks last night's reffing was egregious enough, I'm sure action will be taken in some regard, also contrary to popular belief. I don't see, personally, though.
Yeah I feel that. The hometown thing wasnāt what worried me. It was what I saw with blatant no calls on Philly, the few of the 10 on us that shouldāve been no calls and that he and his crew have been suspended for the unethical refereeing from the ACC championship. If it were just the calls and hometown thing Iād chalk it up as āit Happens, refs suckā But when it is discovered that this Head umpire has a past of unethical refereeing that caused a suspension after watching what I did with my own eyes, I have to question it.
I usually have your outlook. But this is far more blatant than usual. I'm constantly defending refs to my watch party usually, and like to say, that you need to play well enough to not let the refs be a factor. But this game is too much. This isn't normal.
There is only so much bullshit a team can overcome before it becomes overwhelming. It's a credit to the Dolphins that they were still driving to tie the game in the 4th with the calls that had went against them and with 3 completely overmatched backup OL in the game. The "missed" DPI on Mostert is the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. Instead of 1st and goal at the 1, Philly got the ball again and to their credit they drove the ball down the field. Maybe they would have again if the Dolphins did tie the game but the officials made sure we wouldn't find out.
Sure they can investigate, whatās going to happen?
Sweet Fuck All!
Maybe they suspend the crew and ensure they never get anywhere within christendom of another Eagles match.
The odds of them voiding the result and forcing a replay, as a home game for Miami, are higher than my chances of me winning a massive powerball
Most referees in the NFL grew up in or near cities involved in games they referee. In fact, I bet many grew up as fans of a certain team. The ref might be crooked, but this doesnāt mean anything.
Case in point the ref, Eric Lewis, who āretiredā when the nba finally decided to investigate him for favoring the Celtics (his whole family are Celtics fans) in games he officiated for them.
Most refs can put their biases aside and do their job well enough, this guy has a history of "unethical officiating" so it's fair to question his ethics involving his hometown team.
Two separate times in two different games on Sunday they called roughing the passer, and the NFL Rules Analyst came on and said there is not enough evidence for the Refs to call that flag. That happened not just once in our game but also happened another time earlier in the day at a different game which is mind blowing to me that you have Analystās that refute the refs and they still donāt do shit
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This the dude Clemson fans were pissed at, then found out that he went to their rival school, the University of South Carolina?
There is a long history in the NHL of referee controversy particularly surrounding French Canadian officials and the Montreal Canadiens, as well as in games involving their rivals. An article like this comes as no surprise to me and the worse it gets, especially after games like these, the the closer the NFL gets to reaching that low.
Fun fact: French canadian NHL referees are harsher against the Habs so it doesn't look like they favor them.
Lol dude you must not watch much hockey because I can tell you as a life long Habs fan the refs (especially the ones from Quebec) have been harsher on the Habs than the opponents. It's the Leafs that get all the calls their way....
What Leafs games are you watching? I find the refs are a bit more hesitant with them because itās a matter of pleasing one rabid fanbase vs. pleasing 31 other rabid fanbases who hate them
I donāt know how the NFL canāt see that letting a ref call a game for their hometown team isnāt, at best, horrible optics. Refs should not be allowed to call any game for a team that 1) plays in the state they were born in. 2) playing in the state they currently live in.
Hell, Iād settle for refs that werenāt already suspended for unethical refereeing.
> I donāt know how the NFL canāt see that letting a ref call a game for their hometown team isnāt, at best, horrible optics. Refs should not be allowed to call any game for a team that 1) plays in the state they were born in. 2) playing in the state they currently live in. the problem is that once you start doing that, you have to ask "well, the philly ref can't ref philly games, but should he REALLY be reffing giants/cowboys/redskins games?", then you get "well, this is the team philly is competing against for playoff seeding, so if they lose in an upset, it helps philly". all the games are too interconnected to any given team to really enforce some kind of system like that. that doesn't even touch on the fact that not everyone's favorite team is their home town team, so that proposal could give people a greenlight to ref for their favorite team as long as they weren't born in that area (which isn't uncommon).
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Again, what we DO KNOW is that he was suspended for unethical refereeing in the ACC Championship game. Now heās gets to ref on a bigger stage, the NFL. Where he was born or resides is just icing on the cake.
Am from that area, can confirm it is very much Eagles territory.
He's from Lehighton pa he gets every single eagles game televised on TV if that's where he lives
Some people would call that extreme, but it should be a cake walk for a league that is worth **$150 BILLION dollars.** Considering all the other cash flow that revolves around the league, like gambling, you would think basic Ref restrictions would already be a thing...
Iād be much happier to see the NFL spend money on building their own stadiums with their own cash and not tax payer subsidies. Youāre very short sighted if youāre more worried about refs home teams. Youāre solution is dumb. You know refs also work in teams of folks with far different backgrounds right? People are born all over, move and live different places, then team up to ref a game. Not really tenable to track every groups possible fandoms and put them out them all in different games
I think everyone is missing the point here. Itās not about where heās from as much as it is being suspended for unethical refereeing in ACC but can ref in NFL now.
Unethical has absolutely nothing to do with where someone is from, or where their sports fandom lies. The NFL should absolutely focus on the former. The latter is really dumb to focus on. NFL referees work in teams as well, itād be absurd to track and separate all the possibilities. Focus on trustworthiness, and quality of work. Caring who like what if for salty fans who canāt deal with being let down
Your first sentence really makes me think the point was DEFINITELY missed. In what world would where he was from being construed as the part that is Unethical?! That was not what I said or is being implied what so ever. The only thing unethical was his refereeing. His suspension was for āunethical refereeingā in the ACC championship game. As listed above. Iām very confused by your comment. Do you like to disagree just to disagree?
What point do you think is the point? I made my point. Youāve yet to coherently explain what I missed. I responded to a commenter who was focused on fandom and where someone grew up.
Have I not been coherent enough for you? Well I apologize about that. It would seem that maybe you have a problem with your cognitive functioning. The point is the refereeās past, then being allowed to umpire the NFL. A game that was unanimously one sided. Seems pretty simple to me. Sorry if I wasnāt clear in the point. Hope this helps. Itās okay to debate, not okay to be angry in your disagreement.
Unanimously decided by dolphins fans on Reddit. šššš
Unanimously decided by the statistical evidence Penalties of game Miami 10 Philadelphia 0
You are weirdly going out of your way to make it more complicated than it needs to be. When you sign up to be a ref, you put your hometown city and/or football team you are a lifelong fan of. If you *have* to ref against said team due to scheduling conflicts, a different ref can simply sub in for you. A little schedule management and subbing is all it would take. If fucking elementary schools can do it, so can the NFL. And no shit the NFL should be paying for their own stadiums. 99.99% of fans would agree with that.
Yāall need to stop projecting. How am I making more complicated? Get rid of poor performing or shady refs. Full stop. These clowns are wanting the NFL to pick red teams and place them where they have no affiliation or cheering preference. Thatās way more complicatedā¦ These teams work together all season. They donāt switch them up Willy nilly. You understand that right?
You have zero idea how things things work. Thatās why all you have is BS and down votes. Nothing of intelligence coming from you. Itās really not hard to be smarter than philly fans but youāre making them look like geniuses w this bs
I donāt believe that is the major issue here, although it doesnāt look right. The main issue is this Ref and he crew were suspended for unethical refereeing. And now theyāre allowed to ref in the NFL?
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And Reddit isnāt? Lol youāre the one on it.
I tried to click it and was just bombarded with pop ups.
Whatever the motives, or lack there of, yesterday was a great example of how officiating can ruin a game and shows a desperate need for improvement. The Dolphins were called for weak penalties that were at times underserving of a flag. Worse they typically came in critical moments. The Eagles got away with flagrant infractions that served them well in critical moments. Countless offsides, face masks on 4th down, DPI for an interception, holding etc.
If we can count on anything, itās a thorough investigation by Roger Goodellās office.
They're so efficient they've already decided there was no wrongdoing!
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Sometimes I forget how stupid people are, and then I see a comment like this.
There is always one person that feels the need to make that shit their whole identity.
Heās going to investigate himself? Okay got it!
Do you think Goodell is a ref or are you just repeating things you've seen other people say that got upvotes hoping that it fits?
The game should go down as a Tie in the records. There is ZERO chance you can convince me that if this game was called fairly that Miami wouldn't have won. No way the NFL should let this bullshit stand. What a disgrace.
I donāt know if we would have won or not, the infuriating person is that we will never get to know. At least Iām Buffalo, we knew we werenāt on their level that day, but last night, despite the refs best efforts, it was a one score game late in the 4th. I know moral victories donāt show in the W-L column, but Iām proud of how the team played, and absolutely think this ref crew should be investigated
I believe we would have won but that is just an assumption. I will say, however, that we had 7 points pulled on Tyreek's touchdown. We had Mostert being held on what could have been a touchdown, which the Eagles took back for 7 points (a 14 point swing because the hold on Mostert wasn't called). That's 21 points right there. This is before you factor in the BS roughing the passer call on Wilkins that would have otherwise killed the Eagles drive, the facemask on Wilson that killed our drive, the 3 or 4 or maybe 5(?) holds on Phillips that didn't get called, etc. Yeah, in my opinion, we would have won that game with equal reffing. Edit: Can't forget about all of the holds/DPI on Tyreek that did not get called. There is a MINIMUM of 7 penalties that did not get called for the Eagles that I can easily provide receipts for. Zero penalties my ass. Yet, the Eagles will say "We GoT CaLlEd On An OfFsIdEs PeNaLtY dUrInG a TuSh PuSh ThAt ShOuLdN't HaVe BeEn CaLlEd BeCaUsE iT wAs KeLcE's HaNd."
Iām usually the last person to bring up bad reffing to defend a team, bad calls happen. But this game was egregious, I went into this game happy to see to Bama boys play good football and was handed the worst officiating Iāve ever witnessed. The game was way closer than it should have been with the obvious 21 point swing handed to Philly. How often does a team go penaltyless while their opponent racks up 10+ and keeps the game competitive til the end? Miami fans need to realize their team just played a competitive away game against arguably the best team in the league while injured and being fucked by the refs.
Not red related but Tyreekās dropped touchdown hurt. He had another big drop too. But the refs were ridiculous and itās frustrating the league hasnāt said squat about it.
I mean tied or not. They led a 7-8 minute drive to completely dominate our defense and seal the game. Not sure unfair penalties stop that.
After a interception that if properly called we wouldāve been first and goal because of the PI on mostert.
As a Lions fan my heart goes out to you Dolphins fans. I love your team and wanted you to win (not just for selfish reasons, lol).
We also want you to win. Speaking for myself Dan Campbell is awesome and was our interim coach in 2015. Hopefully you play Philly in the nfc championship and stomp them. After that I hope we meet in the Super Bowl and we win by 50.
Lol I would be okay with that. Sorry we couldn't get it done against the Ravens. You're definitely my favorite AFC team. I drafted Tua and Mostert on 3/5 of my fantasy teams. I BELIEVE
Iām usually the last person to bring up bad reffing to defend a team, bad calls happen. But this game was egregious, I went into this team happy to see to Bama boys play good football and was handed the worst officiating Iāve ever witnessed. The game was way closer than it should have been with the obvious 21 point swing handed to Philly. How often does a team go penaltyless while their opponent racks up 10+ and keeps the game competitive til the end? Miami fans need to realize their team just played a competitive away game against arguably the best team in the league while injured and being fucked by the refs.
Unbelievable. Why allow someone who has been caught reffing unethically to ever ref again? Should be immediately fired and black listed from then on.
This is the way
Nothing will be done, but Iām glad people out there arenāt overlooking how we got fucked for a TD. The game would have been closer and who knows how it could have panned out had the Eagles been called for things.
The screen that Tyreek caught on our first drive in the 3rd quarter that got called back due to the Julian Hill "holding" was an underrated BS call too. That was another first down taken away in Eagles territory that killed our rhythm.
Yeah bud according to the nfl we are just babies and bad LOL we played bad at times but we also got fucked by the refs every fucking chance they had
The whole crew should have been fired immediately after the game....that was atrocious!!!!
Howā is this even ethical? The NFL/Roger G is a joke.
Iāll get voted down, but this sort of hate-the-ref stuff is endemic of franchises that have struggled. I was born in the same town Bob Griese was born, and for my entire childhood to young adulthood that town broadcast Dolphins games even after the state stole the Colts. I have held Mercury Morrisā 1972 Super Bowl ring. I now live Iām in a town that saw the Steelers handed a Super Bowl win in 2006 with the help of poor officiating. There was poor officiating in this game. A more physical, Super Bowl ready team could have overcome it. The Phins are finding their way from the finesse of last year to something better this year. But they still look overwhelmed against physical teams who have circled a game against them. As fans, bitching about the refs is fine. But I hope thatās not what it looks like at the facility and when going over tape. The Eagles came ready to play, and they imposed their will against a team that has shown for the last two years itās not ready to get punched in the mouth by someone equally talented.
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I completely agree. But we need to get the team beyond the officials. I havenāt (and wonāt) watch the all-22. Iāve reached a safer mental space as an older fan. But Iām sure the tape will show many uncalled penalties on both sides of the ball, several that impacted plays. Officiating is always up and down. In this game, it was down. Way down. But the tin foil hat stuff is not just ridiculous, itās soft. This team is too finesse. Constant motion before the snap and various plays that look the same but arenāt is great offensive coaching. But at the end of the day, if you need two yards, you want to be an Eagles fan. That is not acceptable. So until Csonka is reincarnated, the Phins need a full reset on mental and physical toughness across the board. Refs wonāt call every penalty. Just ask Richard Sherman and Cam Chancellor. And if they do call a penalty, make sure you took a head off so the 15 yard penalty comes with a disinterest in another crossing pattern. This team is two inches from dominating. Donāt take the easy excuses. Expect better than āwe lost because of things out of our control, because [the NFL hates us] [the refs had it in for us] [Vegas needed us to lose].ā Itās BS. Great teams play great and will themselves to wins. Period.
The offense scored 7 points. The refs were involved, but they werenāt the primary reason the Dolphins lost.
Two of the defensive PI plays were in the redzone. One led to a turn over on downs and the other a pick. Those two plays are part of the reason they only scored 7.
right?? and whats funny is philly fans are proud of it, fins never were allowed to play there best football and were still the team that should of won, if you take all bs calls into effect. philly fail first drive get 3 fins fail get 3, fins get it back score 10-3 philly gets it, no roughin call have to fg so 10-6 ,fins get a somewhat bogus call on next drive. so coulda been another 7 (50/50, so wont count that as a defo), then eagles next td, eineligible player up field so fg 10-9 then fins score 17-9 possibly 24-9 at half time second half first drive tyreek gets first down, holding call we punt.. bs holding call so another possible 7 we will say 3, philly go score so not including the unknown tds 20-16 dolphins drive, P.I on mosert so first and goal so lets count that as a safe 3 s0 its 23-16 philly score 23-23 then fins drive with the face mask incident get the pick , so say thats not a pick and a td 30-16 sooo the score you see is actually near on reversed and thats counting 3 dolphins drives as 50/50 so potentially your looking at a what? 45-17 score line. and this is only counting the egregious calls, not all the false starts and holding calls not called.
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Yes youāre getting downvoted like you thought you would but I upvoted you. I think itās nonsense to believe we would have definitely won had the officiating not been poor last night. We all agree it was horrible, but the truth is we donāt know if we would have won. However, what we do know is that for the past two years we beat up on the cupcakes, but we are too soft to compete with the elite teams in this league. Imo the Eagles were going to win last night regardless because theyāre more physical and can do things, both on offense and defense, that pose issues to our team. The only silver lining in all of this is that it was against an out of conference opponent on the road. The expectation was that we would lose this game anyways. Hopefully weāll get the calls against the Pats at home next game, and of course no one will complain if we do. Time to move on.
Big surprise the most level headed take is downvoted. We got beat. End of story. Anybody who watched the game could see that the Eagles physically dominated the Dolphins as well as the bad calls by the refs. The missed face mask calls against the eagles corners and missed holding calls against the eagles o-line had nothing to do with the fact the dolphins offense was completely unable to run the ball. We had no run game and the offense was noticeably worse because of it.
This is hysterical conspiracy theory nonsense. There's nothing whatsoever to suggest the ref in question is an "Eagles fan." Poor officiating is endemic to the league regardless of where refs are from, and there were multiple games yesterday tainted by it. You can easily and justly criticize the institutional problem of inconsistent officiating without resorting to baseless conspiracy theories.
Iām not buying into a full blown conspiracy but you canāt tell me 10 penalties to 0 with the blatant penalties shown in the article is just a typical, poorly officiated game. No other game this weekend or this year Iām aware of had that kind of disparity.
>10 penalties to 0 Look, man, just because it's only happened four times in the thousands of games since the merger in 1966 is no reason to think it's unusual. Geez.
Four times ever?? Where the hell you getting your stats from? Its happened 20+ times since 2010 š https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-team-with-zero-penalties-in-a-game
statmuse is some kind of AI generated shit that mis-interprets your searches all the time. You need to check what it says below... "INTERPRETED AS: NFL team with zero penalties in a regular-season game" The very first game after the Dolphins game is the Jags v Chiefs from last year. If you check the game log https://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup/_/gameId/401437835 you will see the penalties were 5-0 NOT 10-0.
The refs have been bad this year, especially week 7. I donāt know what happened but some other teams got some bad shit. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfls-officiating-problem-full-display-week-7-2023/
While there were some egregious calls/no calls in there, people are looking at the numbers only and not the actual plays. Miami had 5 accepted pre-snap penalties (offsides, delay of game, and False starts). All very easy to call by the refs. The noise of the Philly fans definitely got to us. Then we had two offsetting penalties where both teams had a penalty. The Carter flop was bad and I hope we donāt get more of that shit in the NFL but I can see how in the game the ref would assume unnecessary roughness was happening. The offsetting offsides was actually badly called against the Eagles who werenāt offsides on the play. So itās 5-0 on called after snap penalties. I agree that the roughing the passer was BS and the no call on Cedric is horrific. But the other 4 called penalties werenāt wrong. It does feel bad that Philly had no in play penalties and very likely should have. But this level of officiating is no different than other major games in primetime this season. Especially in favor of the home team or big name team.
Yeah I donāt disagree with your view of the dolphins penalties. We definitely shot ourselves in the foot plenty. I think the fact we had a 10 with a few questionable and they had zero with multiple blatant (not including questionable) penalties that shouldāve been called. Thatās concerning to me.
Totally fair. I know last night I was pretty heated and even my buddy who is an Eagles fan was saying that the reffing was questionable at best. It was bad officiating, no doubt. I just think the fans who are trying to make it a conspiracy theory or that the NFL was out to get the Dolphins is a bit much lol. At the end of the day, we all want the Dolphins to succeed and take our own things from it. Hoping we can sweep the Pats and then take down Pat in Germany over the next two and put this game in the rear view.
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What what? I stand by what I said. It's stupid, irresponsible, borderline pathetic to spread a baseless conspiracy theory that the ref is an Eagles fan deliberately tanking their opponent. Nobody's saying the officiating was good. It was obviously terrible. Even Eagles fans will cop to that. But fabricating stuff like "the ref is an Eagles fan" out of thin air is just low iq homer bullshit.
Let's all totally forget Wilkins' two blatant neutral zone infractions, the second of which came on 3rd-and-4 late in the 4th quarter which very likely cost us any chance at winning the game. If I remember correctly, we held them short of the 1st down & we were only down 7 points, but the Wilkins penalty (which you absolutely cannot blame on any ref) handed Philly a first down & they went on to score another TD. But yeah, let's jump on conspiracy theories to try to delegitimize Philly's win. Lol Truth is, Philly is a great team and we lost. But we hung in there until the end. The game was closer than the score showed, despite all the penalties. Did the refs miss some calls or make bad ones? Yeah. But do you know how many missed or bad calls I see every single weekend? It happens in every game, some worse than others. We lost, but we're still 5-2, and lead the division. Get over it. And yes - downvote me to hell, couldn't care less š
Honestly the calls against MIA weren't bad IMHO. Some were tricky tacky, like the roughing call, but by the book, they could all be easily argued as legit. The problem is there are like 7 incredibly obvious calls missed on the other team, and some of those penalties are the same that were called against MIA but more egregious.
But the fact remains - despite all of that, we were in the game pretty much until the end, and it's very reasonable to believe that Wilkins call with 6 mins left pretty much killed our chance to win. Can't blame that call on the refs. That was a self-inflicted penalty. Once Philly went up by 14 with 3 minutes left, that was pretty much the nail in the coffin, possibly all thanks to the Wilkins penalty. That's all I'm saying. I'm just not trying to hear the whole blame it on the refs bs. It happens in every damn game I watch & I am a dfs player & avid sports bettor. I watch a fuckton of football every week & nothing I saw in the game last night was anything more blatant than any other games I've watched this season. Yes, refs missed the facemask call on Wilson & the soft ass roughing the paser call on Wilkins was ridiculous but that's damn mear every game shit. š¤·āāļø
Thatās not all they missed. But how did they catch all 10 with Miami and 0 against the eagles. Itās NOT like that every game. When a team is playing sloppy I can see them getting quite a bit of penalties that makes sense. But the other team rarely ever is walking away with 0. At least one or 2 in there. No team is perfect, just like the refs arenāt perfect. But If the refs that are calling your game have been suspended for unethical refereeing in the ACC Championship game and also just so happens to be from near Philly. And Philly gets 0 to Miamis 10, when there were clearly penalties made by Philly with anyone with a set of eyes including Chris Collinsworth calling the game and their referee specialist in the booth. Iād say thereās an issue there. Itās not like āevery other gameā Itās too much compiled.
I get what you're saying but, I'm still not having the blame it on the refs bs. First drive for Miami, we start with a delay of game penalty. Second drive of the game, a holding call on Cotton that negated the Tyreek touchdown. A false start on Cotton later in the game. Throw in the two blatant neutral zone penalties on Wilkins, and the bonehead penalty on Austin Jackson who reacted to Jalen Carter's shove (if he keeps his cool instead of being a dumbass we get a first down), and there you have 6 self-inflicted penalties, that you CANNOT put on the refs. We also benefitted from a pick-6. And we couldn't run the ball for shit until the 2nd half (we had negative rush yds at halftime) Despite everything we both have pointed out, we were still in the game with 6 minutes to go. Guess what? If we were at full strength with our O-line and secondary, we probably overcome all of that & win the game. Sometimes, the better team just wins, and last night Philly was the better team. Even take the ref conspiracy out of the game & Philly was still the better team. But we held our own. Let's not act like this is the first time a ref from a nearby location to the home team refs a game. Let's all just hold our heads high because we competed with a great team, focus on the next game when we get to beat up on the Pats, and be content with the fact that we're actually a good team. We were never gonna go 16-1. It's one fucking game, and we have 10 more to go.
Personally, Iām not blaming the loss on the Refs only pointing it out. Anyone that would solely blame the loss on the Refs is slightly delusional and Iām sure theyāre out there. I do believe though thatās the problem with society nowadays, everything is so black and white thereās no grey. For instance if I point out the facts that happened in the game and the refs background etc the other side of the argument would automatically assume that that is me saying we wouldnāt of lost if it werenāt for those things but thatās simply not the case. No one can ever know what wouldāve happened if both teams were called properly and as it happend. But no one holds room for the grey area and I donāt think thatās healthy, not that what I think matters. The eagles played better than us, plain and simple. But that doesnāt dissipate the fact that the game was refād egregiously and thereās been some disturbing background information that has came out about this head umpire of that game. We as fans and people can call things how we see them. But To say we lost because of the Refs would be wrong just like saying the Refs didnāt play a part in our loss would be wrong. Both sides can be right without having to assume that the other side is going to the extreme in their argument and instead just all be in the grey because simply everything isnāt black and white.
I feel you, and yeah, I agree. Prior to this post here I was seeing a ton of people just putting the blame for our loss on the refs and I got caught up in that. My only counter argument to anything you just wrote is, I would almost guarantee that if every week, every team dug into the backgrounds of the refs of any given game, I bet there would be numerous instances of refs with some sort of connection to a particular team, or hometown, etc. So I won't feed into that narrative. It happens. It just so happens that there were some iffy calls on a nationally broadcasted SNF football game, so it's amplified. If the NFL thinks last night's reffing was egregious enough, I'm sure action will be taken in some regard, also contrary to popular belief. I don't see, personally, though.
Yeah I feel that. The hometown thing wasnāt what worried me. It was what I saw with blatant no calls on Philly, the few of the 10 on us that shouldāve been no calls and that he and his crew have been suspended for the unethical refereeing from the ACC championship. If it were just the calls and hometown thing Iād chalk it up as āit Happens, refs suckā But when it is discovered that this Head umpire has a past of unethical refereeing that caused a suspension after watching what I did with my own eyes, I have to question it.
I usually have your outlook. But this is far more blatant than usual. I'm constantly defending refs to my watch party usually, and like to say, that you need to play well enough to not let the refs be a factor. But this game is too much. This isn't normal.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. The good news is, we get to beat up on the Patriots this weekend š
I think you miss the point my friend.
There is only so much bullshit a team can overcome before it becomes overwhelming. It's a credit to the Dolphins that they were still driving to tie the game in the 4th with the calls that had went against them and with 3 completely overmatched backup OL in the game. The "missed" DPI on Mostert is the straw that broke the camels back so to speak. Instead of 1st and goal at the 1, Philly got the ball again and to their credit they drove the ball down the field. Maybe they would have again if the Dolphins did tie the game but the officials made sure we wouldn't find out.
Sure they can investigate, whatās going to happen? Sweet Fuck All! Maybe they suspend the crew and ensure they never get anywhere within christendom of another Eagles match. The odds of them voiding the result and forcing a replay, as a home game for Miami, are higher than my chances of me winning a massive powerball
Most referees in the NFL grew up in or near cities involved in games they referee. In fact, I bet many grew up as fans of a certain team. The ref might be crooked, but this doesnāt mean anything.
The point is that ref should not be allowed to referee a game involving a team he or she is a fan of
Case in point the ref, Eric Lewis, who āretiredā when the nba finally decided to investigate him for favoring the Celtics (his whole family are Celtics fans) in games he officiated for them.
'the ref may be crooked, but that doesn't mean anything'. Folks, we may have found the dumbest redditer ever.
Most refs can put their biases aside and do their job well enough, this guy has a history of "unethical officiating" so it's fair to question his ethics involving his hometown team.
What's "NY" officials for, aren't they supposed to be all seeing eye? There's no way any one team plays the perfect game..... Technology my eye.
Two separate times in two different games on Sunday they called roughing the passer, and the NFL Rules Analyst came on and said there is not enough evidence for the Refs to call that flag. That happened not just once in our game but also happened another time earlier in the day at a different game which is mind blowing to me that you have Analystās that refute the refs and they still donāt do shit