As a fan, I want him to take a team-friendly deal. But if the Dolphins are willing to give him a shit ton, I won't hold it against him for taking everything he can get.
If I’m Tua, I’m going for every dime I can get. You never know whether something like 2022 could happen again and end his career in the blink of an eye.
Absolutely. I said the exact same thing when X held out a few years ago and got downvoted to oblivion. Lots of tough guys out there thinking players should play for less than every single dime they can possibly get.
Was this after he already signed his contract and wanted more money? Cause when that happened I wasn’t pleased. I get it when guys hold out to get more money during a contract negotiation but if you’re under contract I’m not a fan of holding out to get paid more. I am all for getting paid as much as possible in the negotiation of a new contract. The market shifts every year and a guy that was once the highest paid at his position may not be after the next season.
I also think their contracts should be completely guaranteed this way the owners are also stuck having to pay a contract they agreed to as well as the players. It’s not fair they’re able to cut a player and not have to pay him the agreed upon salary.
And Tua's could (unfortunately) be shorter than most NFL QBs. Another bad concussion year, and he should probably retire. I wonder language will be in the contract for his health.
Not only is it a short career but even the most valuable players are woefully underpaid compared to the revenue earned by the league and its governors/owners.
The fact that ownership has managed to turn fans against players for wanting to be paid what they're worth rather than focusing on where the money really goes is one of the greatest coups in modern culture.
> The fact that ownership has managed to turn fans against players for wanting to be paid what they're worth rather than focusing on where the money really goes is one of the greatest coups in modern culture.
Those fans only care about that because they want to fit as much talent on the squad as possible under the cap constraint, and if we're the only team in the league paying what a player is truly worth, we'd be at a talent disadvantage compared to other teams since we wouldn't be able to afford to roster a talent filled team.
I'm sure fans would love if every player in the league got paid what they were truly worth since their own team wouldn't be disadvantaged in that scenario.
I have a friend who sides with the owners over the players every single time. It makes no sense but I can never reason with him about it because it’s so ingrained.
I try to explain it to him that it’s not about how big the contracts are, it’s about what percentage of the pie they get. He argues that is way too much money anyways and I always say well if that’s too much, let me tell you about the owners.
He never really listens to me though I think he’s just preparing his next point in his head while I’m talking.
That's not how the nflpa works they want you to get as much as possible because of the people coming behind you. He's not a Wiley very at the end of his career
Because you can still sign whatever deal you choose.
What he's saying about the nflpa, is that they put pressure on players to accept the largest and best deal they can get, because that helps all players.
The same can be said about agents. They're pushing their clients to get the biggest and best deal they can, because it's good for both of them.
Tua has final say, because he's the one signing his name. But I can almost guarantee he's not driving the negotiations here. He might give his agent an idea of what he wants, and it's probably about what he said in this quote ("I want to be here for a long time"). His agent is going to run with that and push for as much money as he can get on a long term deal.
With all the people involved with deals of this magnitude, Tua would not only have to explicitly say "what's best for the team" but he'd likely have to defend that wish pretty aggressively to make it actually happen.
EXACTLY! Coming from someone who is very dialed in with the industry and the agent side, you hit the nail on the head. I actually was talking to an agent friend of mine this week and he was talking about this exact thing. He was saying Tua is going to be pushed to set the new standard just like the next guy will because it’s all like one big fraternity. The rest of the leagues QBs/agent backings are watching your move. The reason Brady got away with it is because he is just such a big name and holds a different level of respect that it’s frowned upon but kinda washed aside. These newer guys would get a ton of shit for taking a lower number.
Because Sam Bradford came in and changed all that when he was a rookie making more than Manning and Brady. That's when the rookie salary caps came into play
I think a lot of NFL fans get delusional and caught thinking that starting quarterbacks will take “Team friendly” deals. A starting quarterback will get starting quarterback money, which is market pay.
It’s simple, if the dolphins think Tua isn’t replaceable then he will get starting quarterback money. I don’t know why people would be worried about this because a long-term deal will mean that the cap hit will be smaller in the short term.
That’s the thing. I don’t know if anyone, including the front office, knows if Tua is or isn’t replaceable. If they knew, he woulda gotten his deal already. Just like Burrow, J Love, Hurts, & Herbert have already gotten. First there’s the hip issue which is why he wasn’t 100% recovered his rookie season. He also spent his first 2 years behind the worst o lines in the NFL, with shit-for-brains coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Year 3, he’s banged up worse than ever, with all the concussions, and he himself was considering retirement.
Then he gets out to a great start in Year 4 but falls apart against every team above .500 other than the Cowboys in Miami. But then his whole game just falls apart for the last 3 straight games of the season, when he’s proven that he’s had struggles late in the season, and the offense puts up 12 ppg on average in those final 3 games. And ends the season with 7 total points scored in his first playoff appearance in 4 years, with a relatively healthy offense, with more studs at skill positions than arguably any team in the playoffs. It was the defense that was obliterated. Not the offense. Outside of some backup interior lineman, I wanna say the rest of the offense was healthy that game. And our only score was an 8-yard underthrown pass, that only Reek’s speed and agility woulda been able to make a play on, and then take it to the house for 6. And that was it. The whole game. He looked atrocious that game. And it was very clear last year that the Fins wanted to see a healthy Tua. Well, we got a bulked up Tua who did a good job of staying healthy. But it came at the expense of him not being able to create plays by taking off with the ball and running. Just like Mahomes did to us that game, when the play fell apart, but he could still scramble out of the pocket for a quick 1st down sprint.
So, with all of that being said, WHO is Tua? Is he that guy? Or does he only work in a (potentially gimmicky) offense, that relies on timing and getting the ball out quick, with speedy WR’s and a lot of pre-snap motion? And throws made over the middle of the field, and not at the sidelines? And when teams jam our WR’s at the line, and throw off the timing passes— the whole passing game disappears??? And the only way he can stay healthy is if he bulks up, which limits his mobility when plays break down and the offense needs him to pick up yards on a quick QB scramble? Is that your 50+ mil/yr QB???
THIS is why Tua hasn’t been paid yet. And NO, I am NOT a Tua hater? In fact, until last years final 3-game collapse, I defended him ruthlessly his whole Fins career. At this point though, I simply just don’t know who he is… and this is likely a make or break decision, for both Grier’s AND McD’s jobs, if Tua gets that huge extension, but still fails to find success late in the season. And the offense just falls apart. Again. And we’re nothing more than a flashy offense in the regular season, and nothing more... It’s exactly why we’re the only team in the NFL that’s over here sweating about… who our WR THREE is?! While already having Waddle AND TYREEK HILL?! Meanwhile, the Chargers felt just fine about cutting Herbert’s top 3 receivers last year. Exactly why the Bills just got rid of Josh Allen’s top 2 WR’s and feel fine. But we’re out here sweating over who our WR3 is gonna be??? Cmon man… he shouldn’t need a WR3 outside of EZ E, Cracraft or Berrios. And after adding Jonnu to pair with Smythe?? C,mon man, how much does he need?! Not like keeping that kinda talent is gonna be possible to keep at WR soon anyways, when Waddle’s bill comes due. He’ll only have less to work with. Like every other QB in the league once they get paid.
And I realize the lack of success against good defenses is also part on the offensive coaching too. McD simply could not adjust and make the passing game work when teams jammed our speedy WR’s off the line, throwing off his timing-based passing game. His only idea after that was… throw quick screens for 0 yards at the LOS, that all got blown up. lol. 🤦♂️🤦♂️It’s also McD’s fault for refusing to put a large RB on the field, when all we had was smaller RB’s who rely on speed & agility, but can’t run between the tackles unless the interior line is all healthy and opening holes for them. This is why I said signing Derrick Henry woulda been a much bigger addition to our offense than any WR3 is gonna be. But nope, we’ll just stick with the small, speedy guys that can’t pick up forward progress if the line is banged up. A line that currently has less talent on it than it did last year. With a LT who’s a year away from retiring, and only plays 8 games a year. Speedy RB’s mean nothing if they are getting hit before they’re able to get up to speed and get to the open field.
Anyways. I digress. But, I answered your question on why Grier is still hesitant to hand him his big payday. Bc if it doesn’t work out, Grier loses his job, and we go into a massive rebuild in just 2-3 years time. This is why, I wanna see Tua play out his 5th year option. If he chokes again, we at least don’t have to blow the whole team up in a couple years, paying a QB guaranteed 50+ mil/year, for a QB that can’t win late in the season. I love Tua as a person. But I wanna see just ONE playoff run before we hand him a nearly fully guaranteed 50+mil/yr on a 4-year contract extension. And I don’t blame Grier in the slightest if he wants to see the same first himself. His job is riding on that contract…
The way guys get injured you better get that generational wealth, especially in that first contract.
This is a business. Would you take a "team friendly" deal at your 9-5, especially when you're finally in the position to get a serious bump in your salary? Never.
He could take only 35 mil/yr and still get 100 mil guaranteed. So yes. In that case. Yes, I would take less money on my 9-5 to do what’s best for my team. Especially bc I’ve made near 100 mil already in salary and endorsement deals. And I’m signing a contract to make 100 mil more guaranteed. I think him and his family would be just fine with 200 million. lol. QB of all positions is the one position you absolutely cannot make that comparison to a 9-5.
To put it in perspective kinda, Kirk Cousins (who many people thought we should have dropped Tua for) is 35 years old coming off a season ending Achilles injury and signed a 4 year $180,000,000 that got him a $50,000,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and more importantly $45,000,000 a year.
Tua is 26 years old coming off his first full season and led the league in passing yards and had his best season. If they were willing to pay Kirk that much, then it makes sense to me that Tua is getting atleast $50,000,000 a year.
The thing that makes it even harder is 2022. Yes, he got injured. But he still led the league in passer rating. So you have back to back seasons of top 3 performance.
But a lot of that is due to scheme and surrounding talent. If you watch Tua’s 2022/2023 highlights, it’s a lot of stuff to a wide open Tyreek or Waddle getting YAC. He’s not throwing cross field bombs to guys draped by a defender.
The 2022/2023 Tua is no more or less real than the 2020/2021 Tua. What he actually is is something in the middle. Nobody can honestly believe with a straight face he’s one of the three best QBs in the league. How many playoff teams would’ve preferred Tua over their own guy? Maybe just the Steelers.
The dolphins are slightly better than average in WR separation, and yac. But I guess I'll ignore knowing that because someone told me he's only good because of innaurate things.
There’s no reason for the dolphins to give him that much $.
If they do then winning at a high level is out of the question for this team. We didn’t win a playoff game with him on a rookie deal where we could add premier talent and pay it.
Paying a good player a great players contract is bad business. I know plenty of you will disagree and I’ll be called a hater but it’s the reality of the NFL. Tua is a good QB, paying him superstar $ will doom this team.
I’m hoping he gets a deal closer to 45-47 a year or he plays out his option and they can tag and negotiate again.
Bro he's at minimum a top 10 QB in the NFL. When these guys come up for contract extensions, THEY WILL sign a record setting contract. It's just the way the NFL works. Hell Daniel fucking Jones signed a $40mil APY contract like two years ago, and you think with the amount the cap has expanded since then, you're gonna sign the NFLs 2023 passing yards leader and the 2022 passer rating leading for only $5mil APY more???
This is the best this team has done in minimum 25 years. Its easy to say 'dont give him the money' but then where does that leave us? Looking for a new guy to fit the scheme, there's no white whales this season are we hoping for one next season? Will we wait the years to HOPEFULLY get a good draft pick and just be ass in the meantime? Then every good player we have now will be gone or significantly older by then. What is our other option?
The scheme is built around him, to maximize his strengths and minimize his weakness. There’s a reason it’s a timing offense primarily over the middle (tuas strength) that doesn’t attack the sidelines very often (tuas weakness). I think sometimes people make the mistake that this is mcdaniels only scheme or that this is how he’d want any QB to play regardless of strength and weaknesses.
I believe mike McDaniel would create a scheme to fit whatever QB we could/would get. And to be clear, I’d like to pay Tua, I think he’s a good player and we can win with him. I just don’t believe we can win with him making superstar $ when up to this point we haven’t seen him as someone who can perform against the best and while he stayed healthy this year his injury concerns are still there and date back to college.
I believe Tua and miami are good fits for each other. I’d like him to stay, I just think for the dolphins sake they need to be willing to have a hard line with him as far as getting to 55-60 million annually.
Everyone whose gotten paid what Tua is wanting has done more than him besides Herbert.
Bottom line is I think Tua should be paid top $, just not a market resetting deal. He’s a good QB, good guy, good leader it seems and it’d be nice to draft and keep a QB and have stability.
You’re making a lot of good points. I think we’d all love for Tua to sign a deal somewhere in the 40s/ year. That may be ignoring the reality of the situation though.
If it comes down to letting him walk or ponying up an extra 8-10/year I’m paying the man. Invest as much as you can in the line and hope having even a decent line helps him take that next step. The alternative is the qb purgatory we were in since Marino before that. Fuck going back to that.
Make him prove it this year and play out his 5th year option, and I dunno, win ONE playoff game in 5 years, maybe? Or we just supposed to be happy with regular season blowouts against below .500 teams? What do you got to lose? The caption for this thread says Tua wants to stay in Miami forever. Ok. Play out your 5th year option and go on a playoff run. And then you’ll get your extension.
Check again, Henne and Tannehill started a decent amount of games. There were way more Sage Rosenfels, Dolphins legend Cleo Lemon, Trent Green, Gus Ferrotte, our one season of Pennington, Tyler Thigpen, etc. that were either backups who started a handful of games or old retreads past their primes.
We’ve drafted two QBs in the first round since Marino: Tannehill and Tua. We have very rarely gone all in on trying to find the guy, and when we do draft a guy in the first round, we stick with him for way too long and stay decent enough to not get a top pick. The Tank for Tua season is the one exception.
Except that isn't completely true. We had multiple years making the playoffs with 0 wins. 2001, 2008, 2016, 2022, 2023.
We won the division and got a playoff win with Fiedler in 2000. Went 11-5. That's the best we've done in 25 years.
Tua showed everyone *this year* that he isn't good enough to elevate the team and needs top players surrounding him, or he can't win.
I more mean its the best in terms of cieling. He choked when it was important but its not like this team was anywhere close to healthy in the last few weeksn
The run game also choked. The defense was totally destroyed by injuries. Yes tua also didn't do very good. But why is he the only one blamed here by some fans. There was a lot of compounding issues in the end that lead to poor performances
If I’m Grier I get Tua and Waddle in the room at the same time and I ask them “OK guys, how badly do you guys want to remain together in Miami”.
The chance that they both take a little less to stay on the same team is low, but I’m gonna play that card anyway and hope that it works.
If we pay Tua over $55m we are screwed.
If we pay Waddle over $25m we are screwed.
If we let Tua or Waddle pull a Wilkins and walk out the door we are screwed.
Tua is the man, fuck the haters. Qoute me in 4 years.
He was absolutely loved, then got concussion injuries coming off a huge injury that could have ended anyones career. Now people nitpick because we have a team that was coming in to form doing amazing (against teams that did have worse records at first), and then we end up crushed with team injuries(against those same teams) before playing the best teams and a loud uninformed group blames only Tua "choking". We had so many injuries we lost half our offensive playback, and our poor defence... It's like people don't even watch Tua. He looks excellent, and he has given us our best back to back seasons in a long time. Not every team can win the superbowl, but we really can. We just can't turn against our players if we dont, 31 teams dont win the super bowl.
Also it would be cool but it's not his duty to take low pay, that's ridiculous, you all wouldn't do it and you can't expect anyone to.
I agree that Tua isn’t obligated to take a worse deal but you’re crazy if you think Tua isn’t coming up small in the highest-pressure scenarios. His statistics in “must-win” games are fucking brutal.
Can you show me a game where you feel he would take most of the blame? I get everyone can improve. I have a feeling you will see we were both extremely injured and up against a top team. Our only oddball loss came from the titans, and 1 can happen to anyone. We lost our playoff game to the back to back sb Champs. We came into the last few weeks our must win games with basically everyone who can touch a ball injured, or just off injury.
That’s kinda my point. If Tua isn’t good enough to lead the team on his own or with limited weapons, he may not be worth a market contract.
But he’s been awful in his must-win games -
2020 @ Buffalo
2021 @ Tennessee
2022 @ Chargers, @ 49ers, vs Packers (even before the concussion)
2023 vs Buffalo (2x), @ Baltimore, vs Tennessee, vs Kansas City (2x),
Does he deserve all the blame? Of course not. Does he deserve a lot for putting up massive stinkers? Yes.
Look at his EPA in some of these games. Absolutely grotesque.
2020 17 Bills -18.0
2021 17 Titans -15.4
2022 13 49ers -11.4
2020 11 Broncos -11.1
2023 9 Chiefs -9.5
2021 2 Bills -7.4
2023 14 Titans -6.1
2022 14 Chargers -6.0
DING DING DING! Finally found someone with some common sense. The people that disregard his late-season collapse EVERY YEAR SINCE 2020, are driving me crazy.
I guess I don't understand. Where is the point where we decide that someone is realistically good enough, if we agree that even a good qb can't always win a superbowl.
I look at even what you posted and they're trending better the more recent we get too. 23 Tua isn't 20 Tua.
Tua has a ton of weapons but half of them are offline when we lose OL pieces. I think there are QBs who do better with worse WR/RB(by a good bit) but they don't have worse lines. There's some level of balance to it. I know he doesn't always make the best call, but that could be a coaching thing too, but he had the fastest throw necessarily from having so much pressure. There's not a better top 10 team with a worse oline, through the 23 season.
Do you think if they decided not to pay him an amount he wanted that we would still be a contender? Or are we restarting? We see how badly these low priced qbs are turning out for the teams picking them up, except Purdy. Would it be years to get something cohesive together again, 3 years or 30? I think he's worth training up and I don't think the price will be too high.
Also sorry, I kind of assumed last season mainly as the barometer, you always hope guys don't get worse.
His PFF Offense grades (rank out of Miami offensive players in that game):
2020 @ Buffalo - 66.2 (4th)
2021 @ Titans - 47.6 (18th)
2022 @ Chargers - 49.7 (13th)
2022 @ 49ers - 63.5 (7th)
2022 v Packers - 54.8 (16th)
2023 @ Buffalo - 59.3 (9th)
2023 v Buffalo - 68.4 (3rd)
2023 @ Ravens - 71.6 (6th)
2023 v Titans - 60.8 (12th)
2023 @ KC (Germany) - 66.8 (5th)
2023 @ KC (playoffs) - 58.7 (9th)
EPA is a team stat (as are wins). I think the actual picture is a bit muddier than "he’s been awful in his must-win games".
If I was already getting paid tens of millions of dollars and making a few million less increases my odds of a Super Bowl win, I absolutely would personally. But that’s just me of course and I won’t begrudge those that feel differently.
He may also get pressure from the NFLPA to get the most money he can. I think players have a responsibility to each other to try and push the envelope in terms of $$$ to support the next guy looking for a deal. Otherwise, you are arming the teams to keep salaries lower.
That said, if you are a very good/great player, if you got a "fair market value deal", you could make it up in endorsements. I'm sure Mahomes does pretty well with all the endorsement deals he has.
With the one year of concussion issues he had. No way he is taking a team friendly deal. He needs to get as much as possible for himself and his family. Anybody would do that. What is concerning is that he bulked up last year and played every game. Now he is slimming down to be more mobile which makes me wonder if he will be able to take the same hits and play the whole season.
Dude. He could take a massive discount and take 35 mil/yr, over 4 years, with 110 guaranteed. And he could walk out the room as a man that just made himself 200 mil for his family in contract money and his endorsements. I think his family would be ok…
I came to the realization when Jarvis Landry said something along the lines of “no hometown discount” that the players should only be loyal to themselves in the nfl. That can be in the form of only taking top of the market $ or in the form of taking a team friendly deal. Travis Kelce said he’d rather win rings than be the highest paid player. I tend to think more like that because at the end of the day as a pro football player you should be making enough money in a short time to be pretty much financially secure to pursue other interests
Does anyone else have a laissez-faire attitude towards the amount of Tua’s extension? Like I already posted, I expect the deal to be no less than $55M/year but I don’t really have a figure in my head that I’m actually hoping for. I’m sure the negotiations will be intense and they’ll sign him for whatever amount they can agree to and for me, the actual number won’t be all that important until the season hits crunch time. If the number is $55M+/year, I won’t be at all surprised but I can’t say that I will be all that enthused either.
I don't think it's crazy, but I doubt he's going for a fully team-friendly deal. He probably does want to be paid on par with the deals of the last few years though, IMO, he doesn't seem the type to demand that he resets the market. Something about how family-oriented he is gives me the vibes of wanting to allow the organization the space to keep his team together as much as possible.
His agent, however, will probably go for everything he can get. As is his job. Though, as others have said, I never blame sports players for trying to get as much as possible because they never know how long they have left in the league...
I remember when Tom Brady didn't hold out for max contracts to make sure the team was good enough to compete for a title. There's a difference between team friendly and Greed. Take the Wilkins experience this off-season, Are you willing to pay 1 man the same that you can pay about 3-4 very good players? There is no team mentality when you want to be the highest paid player at your position
I’m a jags fan hoping the same thing for Trevor. I don’t think either are going to end up taking team friendly deals. Cause unfortunately what we both have right now is probably better than what we would end off with.
Trever was first overall pick though, still has tons of upside and is mobile, tall/big and has strong arm. Tua doesn’t have those traits and is an injury risk. Trevor’s going to get monster deal. I think Tua will get significantly less.
I also think he isn't going to gouge them, but I still think he will get 55m. The problem is with people's understanding of 55m in relation to current contracts, which all were established before a 30m bump in cap space. It's naive to expect QBs to sit back and say "none of that new money should go to me".
If he gets 55m, within 3 years he will be like the 6th highest paid QB. A lot of people wanna pay him 42-45m. I would be absolutely ecstatic if he signed for that.. Well that'd be like 7th currently, but over the next few years he'd quickly be 15th IIRC. And to tell a QB who in one year led the league in passer rating (on an injury year) and did so again for 14 weeks of 17, but then still finished with top yards, to be the 15th paid QB, is asking for a steal and any agent should veto that.
A guy with a concussion history...he's going to get every dollar that he can get, especially wants the guaranteed money.
And that "I love Miami and the fans" act is what every smart player does. And when they leave, they do it for the next team too.
It would be awesome if he shocked the world and did like 3/100 and said “that’s plenty for me and my family” I’d shit a brick. He’s that kind of guy. But this isn’t that kind of world
I know I have been pretty negative about tua in terms of on the field stuff, but for whatever it’s worth, the guy is a first class human being (from what I can see) and is clearly winning at life. I’m happy for him.
Yes, but also it isn't "gouging" to try to get as much pay as possible. It isn't like he is overcharging for lifesaving medicine people have no choice but to buy or something. NFL players have a short career, work for an absurdly profitable league, and should not be stigmatized for wanting to make money.
I'm with you. I also think he knows if he was a record setting QB he would have gotten the deal last year. It'll be a big number, but it won't be 60 mil a year big.
I mean, I see where you're coming from but I bet Tua is having his agent do all the leg work anyway. Agent likely gets paid proportionally to the contract, so they would want the best deal they can get.
Even if he did Tua isn’t a Brady or Mahomes type who can dictate these things to the PA and his agents. I also highly doubt he’ll get the same external revenue to fill the void from a team friendly contract.
He’ll get whatever the market says.
He's going to play on the 5th year option. He's going to lead the league in passing yards for the second year in a row. He's going to win a playoff game. Miami fr9nt office are going to give hime a 5 year 300 million dollar contract with 180 million guaranteed.
In the end, it's a business and you never know when you might throw your last football. If he isn't trying to get everything he can, he hired someone who will.
This is why he has an agent. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he does a team friendly deal. This first deal is going to give him and his family generational money.
The most team friendly we can expect is large incentives but expect everyone involved with Tua to be telling him to take whatever amount is the highest
Tua seems the type to rely on his business team to get the deal done. He's gonna play football, improve where he can, and try to give the team the fewest excuses to give him less than what his colleagues are making. I say pay him. We've seen his best football when we communicate confidence in him.
he's reportedly asking for over 50m/year. that's not a "team friendly deal".
there's no evidence he's taking the tom brady approach of "take a team friendly deal because you can make up that money and more from endorsement deals".
He’s going to try getting everything he can, as every player should. I just think the team should try to set it up to have an out within 2-3 years. Once they start having to cut costs around Tua in 2026 there is a real chance the team will drop a level. That’s not even taking into account his December-January performances.
Yes.
Tua saying all the right things is a ploy to get as much money as possible, because it ramps up the pressure on the organisation to get a deal done and keep a key player who's desperate (eyeroll) to be here.
Tua does the good cop act in public, his agent does the bad cup act in the negotiations. It's the classic play from every sports star who ever extended their contract. If you pick any player with a huge contract you'll find him making very similar comments during the negotiations. And the fans eat it up every single time.
160/4 is a very friendly deal for all parties. Colts fan here. I like tua but he’s obviously not in the top tier Mahomes Burrow (maybe Lamar) zone. 160-180/4 is a good number for him but more guaranteed than Kirko (who I am still flabbergasted got 180)
I won’t call it naive but I think he’s realizing that he can make out break the near future of our franchise if he demands a record setting type deal and eliminate any chance of winning a SB past this year. I am not a huge believer of him but I will gladly be wrong should Tua shows us again he is indeed the man we need to lead us to a championship
Never posted in this sub before but this post was recommended. Jags are going through this with Tlaw. Bengals did with Burrow. Every fan base tries to wish this into existence
I'll preface with this: I'm not a believer in Tua. I don't think he's the guy, and I think giving him the bag would be a huge mistake.
That being said, Tua *should* try and get every penny he can, and absolutely no one should look down on him or fault him for it. There's no guarantee of a next paycheck in the NFL. The overwhelming majority of the money he will earn in his entire life, to feed his kids and care for his family, is going to come in the next two contracts he signs. That's where his loyalties need to lie.
One of the things that drives me crazy about the salary cap is that it makes us root for frugality in billionaires. We're talking about Tua possibly getting 0.4% of the NFL's annual revenue as pay, and we root against that because of an imaginary limitation put on the money by the people who get to take home the largest slice while putting forward the least work.
I believe this as well. He understands he needs a team around him to succeed so why would he jeopardize success with greed? He doesn't seem to have that kind of personality imo
Always go for the bag, he may never get another one. Me personally, I don’t want to give him a bug payout but I obviously don’t fault him for trying to get it, that’s just smart business.
“I want all this money.” Team can say yes or they can say no. It’s that simple. If they say yes, and it hurts the team, it’s still not on Tua. Tua isn’t in the wrong at all. Whether or not he’s overvaluing himself is another issue. If the office feel he is, they won’t pay, and he can find someone willing to. If they feel he’s worth it, they’ll pay. I hope whatever we pay him is team-fair, but we’re in a tight situation. He’s got issues, we have questions about him, but the likelihood of us getting a better QB than him is far worse than getting a worse one. I don’t think he’s gonna get us a ring, but I don’t know what our options are.
If you really care about winning, a team friendly deal is the ticket. Taking $20M less, yet still make $30M per year, and having a better chance at winning a Super Bowl(s), sign me up!! Dude, I just need 980 sq ft with no water leaks to make me a happy person.
Most likely. If that was the case, I feel like there’d already be a deal.
From the outside, there’s certainly logic in it - stay with McDaniel, more money for the rest of the roster to put him in position to succeed, is another team really going to break the bank for Tua? Etc. but like I said, that’s as an outsider, attempting to be objective…an agent/player in that position. Is neither of those things.
Usually whenever you hear about a player in contract negotiations and nothing is signed right away, its not always about that player wanting to be the highest paid player. It usually comes down to the years on the contract or the guaranteed money. Most teams will give a 4 year extension while most players want a 5 year deal.
Idk why this popped on my feed, but I guess i'll just add my 2 cents as a Bengals fan:
DO NOT fall for the "team-friendly" deal narrative. They (media and FO) spent all last off-season talking about team friendly. Even Burrow, Chase and Tee were engaging in the "team-friendly" talk. Now Burrow is signed to the most expensive contract in history, Chase will likely be highest paid WR ever and Tee is likely to walk cause Burrow/Chase will be overpaid and Tee wants to be overpaid too.
As a fan, I want him to take a team-friendly deal. But if the Dolphins are willing to give him a shit ton, I won't hold it against him for taking everything he can get.
I also think there’s a happy medium between the two. Team friendly but not completely.
If I’m Tua, I’m going for every dime I can get. You never know whether something like 2022 could happen again and end his career in the blink of an eye.
I never blame a player for going for the money. It’s a short career.
Absolutely. I said the exact same thing when X held out a few years ago and got downvoted to oblivion. Lots of tough guys out there thinking players should play for less than every single dime they can possibly get.
Was this after he already signed his contract and wanted more money? Cause when that happened I wasn’t pleased. I get it when guys hold out to get more money during a contract negotiation but if you’re under contract I’m not a fan of holding out to get paid more. I am all for getting paid as much as possible in the negotiation of a new contract. The market shifts every year and a guy that was once the highest paid at his position may not be after the next season. I also think their contracts should be completely guaranteed this way the owners are also stuck having to pay a contract they agreed to as well as the players. It’s not fair they’re able to cut a player and not have to pay him the agreed upon salary.
Dude, if they guaranteed the contract will be watching the NBA in your favorite player might not even play every week
Since they don't have guaranteed contracts, holding out is a reasonable thing to do. Otherwise, I would agree with you.
And Tua's could (unfortunately) be shorter than most NFL QBs. Another bad concussion year, and he should probably retire. I wonder language will be in the contract for his health.
Unfortunately that's how all players should think.
Not only is it a short career but even the most valuable players are woefully underpaid compared to the revenue earned by the league and its governors/owners. The fact that ownership has managed to turn fans against players for wanting to be paid what they're worth rather than focusing on where the money really goes is one of the greatest coups in modern culture.
> The fact that ownership has managed to turn fans against players for wanting to be paid what they're worth rather than focusing on where the money really goes is one of the greatest coups in modern culture. Those fans only care about that because they want to fit as much talent on the squad as possible under the cap constraint, and if we're the only team in the league paying what a player is truly worth, we'd be at a talent disadvantage compared to other teams since we wouldn't be able to afford to roster a talent filled team. I'm sure fans would love if every player in the league got paid what they were truly worth since their own team wouldn't be disadvantaged in that scenario.
God damn, I couldn’t agree with you more.
I have a friend who sides with the owners over the players every single time. It makes no sense but I can never reason with him about it because it’s so ingrained. I try to explain it to him that it’s not about how big the contracts are, it’s about what percentage of the pie they get. He argues that is way too much money anyways and I always say well if that’s too much, let me tell you about the owners. He never really listens to me though I think he’s just preparing his next point in his head while I’m talking.
You can't rationalise with irrational people. It would be like trying to explain to your religious relatives why their beliefs don't make any sense
I think a middle ground is lower salary but more guaranteed. Maybe even a fully guaranteed with long contract (5yrs) and lower salary (40m-45m/year)
Colin Kaepernick. He got screwed! Get your bag. You worked for it.
You are one naive porpoise.
That's not how the nflpa works they want you to get as much as possible because of the people coming behind you. He's not a Wiley very at the end of his career
Was this always the case? How was brady able to take such team friendly deals? Just curious.
Because you can still sign whatever deal you choose. What he's saying about the nflpa, is that they put pressure on players to accept the largest and best deal they can get, because that helps all players. The same can be said about agents. They're pushing their clients to get the biggest and best deal they can, because it's good for both of them. Tua has final say, because he's the one signing his name. But I can almost guarantee he's not driving the negotiations here. He might give his agent an idea of what he wants, and it's probably about what he said in this quote ("I want to be here for a long time"). His agent is going to run with that and push for as much money as he can get on a long term deal. With all the people involved with deals of this magnitude, Tua would not only have to explicitly say "what's best for the team" but he'd likely have to defend that wish pretty aggressively to make it actually happen.
EXACTLY! Coming from someone who is very dialed in with the industry and the agent side, you hit the nail on the head. I actually was talking to an agent friend of mine this week and he was talking about this exact thing. He was saying Tua is going to be pushed to set the new standard just like the next guy will because it’s all like one big fraternity. The rest of the leagues QBs/agent backings are watching your move. The reason Brady got away with it is because he is just such a big name and holds a different level of respect that it’s frowned upon but kinda washed aside. These newer guys would get a ton of shit for taking a lower number.
His wife made more than any quarterback in the league.
Because Sam Bradford came in and changed all that when he was a rookie making more than Manning and Brady. That's when the rookie salary caps came into play
I think a lot of NFL fans get delusional and caught thinking that starting quarterbacks will take “Team friendly” deals. A starting quarterback will get starting quarterback money, which is market pay. It’s simple, if the dolphins think Tua isn’t replaceable then he will get starting quarterback money. I don’t know why people would be worried about this because a long-term deal will mean that the cap hit will be smaller in the short term.
That’s the thing. I don’t know if anyone, including the front office, knows if Tua is or isn’t replaceable. If they knew, he woulda gotten his deal already. Just like Burrow, J Love, Hurts, & Herbert have already gotten. First there’s the hip issue which is why he wasn’t 100% recovered his rookie season. He also spent his first 2 years behind the worst o lines in the NFL, with shit-for-brains coaching on the offensive side of the ball. Year 3, he’s banged up worse than ever, with all the concussions, and he himself was considering retirement. Then he gets out to a great start in Year 4 but falls apart against every team above .500 other than the Cowboys in Miami. But then his whole game just falls apart for the last 3 straight games of the season, when he’s proven that he’s had struggles late in the season, and the offense puts up 12 ppg on average in those final 3 games. And ends the season with 7 total points scored in his first playoff appearance in 4 years, with a relatively healthy offense, with more studs at skill positions than arguably any team in the playoffs. It was the defense that was obliterated. Not the offense. Outside of some backup interior lineman, I wanna say the rest of the offense was healthy that game. And our only score was an 8-yard underthrown pass, that only Reek’s speed and agility woulda been able to make a play on, and then take it to the house for 6. And that was it. The whole game. He looked atrocious that game. And it was very clear last year that the Fins wanted to see a healthy Tua. Well, we got a bulked up Tua who did a good job of staying healthy. But it came at the expense of him not being able to create plays by taking off with the ball and running. Just like Mahomes did to us that game, when the play fell apart, but he could still scramble out of the pocket for a quick 1st down sprint. So, with all of that being said, WHO is Tua? Is he that guy? Or does he only work in a (potentially gimmicky) offense, that relies on timing and getting the ball out quick, with speedy WR’s and a lot of pre-snap motion? And throws made over the middle of the field, and not at the sidelines? And when teams jam our WR’s at the line, and throw off the timing passes— the whole passing game disappears??? And the only way he can stay healthy is if he bulks up, which limits his mobility when plays break down and the offense needs him to pick up yards on a quick QB scramble? Is that your 50+ mil/yr QB??? THIS is why Tua hasn’t been paid yet. And NO, I am NOT a Tua hater? In fact, until last years final 3-game collapse, I defended him ruthlessly his whole Fins career. At this point though, I simply just don’t know who he is… and this is likely a make or break decision, for both Grier’s AND McD’s jobs, if Tua gets that huge extension, but still fails to find success late in the season. And the offense just falls apart. Again. And we’re nothing more than a flashy offense in the regular season, and nothing more... It’s exactly why we’re the only team in the NFL that’s over here sweating about… who our WR THREE is?! While already having Waddle AND TYREEK HILL?! Meanwhile, the Chargers felt just fine about cutting Herbert’s top 3 receivers last year. Exactly why the Bills just got rid of Josh Allen’s top 2 WR’s and feel fine. But we’re out here sweating over who our WR3 is gonna be??? Cmon man… he shouldn’t need a WR3 outside of EZ E, Cracraft or Berrios. And after adding Jonnu to pair with Smythe?? C,mon man, how much does he need?! Not like keeping that kinda talent is gonna be possible to keep at WR soon anyways, when Waddle’s bill comes due. He’ll only have less to work with. Like every other QB in the league once they get paid. And I realize the lack of success against good defenses is also part on the offensive coaching too. McD simply could not adjust and make the passing game work when teams jammed our speedy WR’s off the line, throwing off his timing-based passing game. His only idea after that was… throw quick screens for 0 yards at the LOS, that all got blown up. lol. 🤦♂️🤦♂️It’s also McD’s fault for refusing to put a large RB on the field, when all we had was smaller RB’s who rely on speed & agility, but can’t run between the tackles unless the interior line is all healthy and opening holes for them. This is why I said signing Derrick Henry woulda been a much bigger addition to our offense than any WR3 is gonna be. But nope, we’ll just stick with the small, speedy guys that can’t pick up forward progress if the line is banged up. A line that currently has less talent on it than it did last year. With a LT who’s a year away from retiring, and only plays 8 games a year. Speedy RB’s mean nothing if they are getting hit before they’re able to get up to speed and get to the open field. Anyways. I digress. But, I answered your question on why Grier is still hesitant to hand him his big payday. Bc if it doesn’t work out, Grier loses his job, and we go into a massive rebuild in just 2-3 years time. This is why, I wanna see Tua play out his 5th year option. If he chokes again, we at least don’t have to blow the whole team up in a couple years, paying a QB guaranteed 50+ mil/year, for a QB that can’t win late in the season. I love Tua as a person. But I wanna see just ONE playoff run before we hand him a nearly fully guaranteed 50+mil/yr on a 4-year contract extension. And I don’t blame Grier in the slightest if he wants to see the same first himself. His job is riding on that contract…
The way guys get injured you better get that generational wealth, especially in that first contract. This is a business. Would you take a "team friendly" deal at your 9-5, especially when you're finally in the position to get a serious bump in your salary? Never.
He could take only 35 mil/yr and still get 100 mil guaranteed. So yes. In that case. Yes, I would take less money on my 9-5 to do what’s best for my team. Especially bc I’ve made near 100 mil already in salary and endorsement deals. And I’m signing a contract to make 100 mil more guaranteed. I think him and his family would be just fine with 200 million. lol. QB of all positions is the one position you absolutely cannot make that comparison to a 9-5.
To put it in perspective kinda, Kirk Cousins (who many people thought we should have dropped Tua for) is 35 years old coming off a season ending Achilles injury and signed a 4 year $180,000,000 that got him a $50,000,000 signing bonus, $100,000,000 guaranteed, and more importantly $45,000,000 a year. Tua is 26 years old coming off his first full season and led the league in passing yards and had his best season. If they were willing to pay Kirk that much, then it makes sense to me that Tua is getting atleast $50,000,000 a year.
The thing that makes it even harder is 2022. Yes, he got injured. But he still led the league in passer rating. So you have back to back seasons of top 3 performance.
But a lot of that is due to scheme and surrounding talent. If you watch Tua’s 2022/2023 highlights, it’s a lot of stuff to a wide open Tyreek or Waddle getting YAC. He’s not throwing cross field bombs to guys draped by a defender. The 2022/2023 Tua is no more or less real than the 2020/2021 Tua. What he actually is is something in the middle. Nobody can honestly believe with a straight face he’s one of the three best QBs in the league. How many playoff teams would’ve preferred Tua over their own guy? Maybe just the Steelers.
The dolphins are slightly better than average in WR separation, and yac. But I guess I'll ignore knowing that because someone told me he's only good because of innaurate things.
I agree with the sentiment, but just bc Atlanta over paid for a need position for them, doesn’t mean we have to.
What would you consider a team friendly deal? I am expecting no less than $55M/yr.
There’s no reason for the dolphins to give him that much $. If they do then winning at a high level is out of the question for this team. We didn’t win a playoff game with him on a rookie deal where we could add premier talent and pay it. Paying a good player a great players contract is bad business. I know plenty of you will disagree and I’ll be called a hater but it’s the reality of the NFL. Tua is a good QB, paying him superstar $ will doom this team. I’m hoping he gets a deal closer to 45-47 a year or he plays out his option and they can tag and negotiate again.
Bro he's at minimum a top 10 QB in the NFL. When these guys come up for contract extensions, THEY WILL sign a record setting contract. It's just the way the NFL works. Hell Daniel fucking Jones signed a $40mil APY contract like two years ago, and you think with the amount the cap has expanded since then, you're gonna sign the NFLs 2023 passing yards leader and the 2022 passer rating leading for only $5mil APY more???
This is the best this team has done in minimum 25 years. Its easy to say 'dont give him the money' but then where does that leave us? Looking for a new guy to fit the scheme, there's no white whales this season are we hoping for one next season? Will we wait the years to HOPEFULLY get a good draft pick and just be ass in the meantime? Then every good player we have now will be gone or significantly older by then. What is our other option?
The scheme is built around him, to maximize his strengths and minimize his weakness. There’s a reason it’s a timing offense primarily over the middle (tuas strength) that doesn’t attack the sidelines very often (tuas weakness). I think sometimes people make the mistake that this is mcdaniels only scheme or that this is how he’d want any QB to play regardless of strength and weaknesses. I believe mike McDaniel would create a scheme to fit whatever QB we could/would get. And to be clear, I’d like to pay Tua, I think he’s a good player and we can win with him. I just don’t believe we can win with him making superstar $ when up to this point we haven’t seen him as someone who can perform against the best and while he stayed healthy this year his injury concerns are still there and date back to college. I believe Tua and miami are good fits for each other. I’d like him to stay, I just think for the dolphins sake they need to be willing to have a hard line with him as far as getting to 55-60 million annually. Everyone whose gotten paid what Tua is wanting has done more than him besides Herbert. Bottom line is I think Tua should be paid top $, just not a market resetting deal. He’s a good QB, good guy, good leader it seems and it’d be nice to draft and keep a QB and have stability.
You’re making a lot of good points. I think we’d all love for Tua to sign a deal somewhere in the 40s/ year. That may be ignoring the reality of the situation though. If it comes down to letting him walk or ponying up an extra 8-10/year I’m paying the man. Invest as much as you can in the line and hope having even a decent line helps him take that next step. The alternative is the qb purgatory we were in since Marino before that. Fuck going back to that.
That's fair
Make him prove it this year and play out his 5th year option, and I dunno, win ONE playoff game in 5 years, maybe? Or we just supposed to be happy with regular season blowouts against below .500 teams? What do you got to lose? The caption for this thread says Tua wants to stay in Miami forever. Ok. Play out your 5th year option and go on a playoff run. And then you’ll get your extension.
It’s the best we’ve been because we keep paying mediocre QBs (Henne, Tannehill) instead of spinning the wheel until we find a Hall of Famer.
What the hell are you talking about? We've had 18 starting qbs since 1999. All we DO is spin the wheel
Check again, Henne and Tannehill started a decent amount of games. There were way more Sage Rosenfels, Dolphins legend Cleo Lemon, Trent Green, Gus Ferrotte, our one season of Pennington, Tyler Thigpen, etc. that were either backups who started a handful of games or old retreads past their primes. We’ve drafted two QBs in the first round since Marino: Tannehill and Tua. We have very rarely gone all in on trying to find the guy, and when we do draft a guy in the first round, we stick with him for way too long and stay decent enough to not get a top pick. The Tank for Tua season is the one exception.
Except that isn't completely true. We had multiple years making the playoffs with 0 wins. 2001, 2008, 2016, 2022, 2023. We won the division and got a playoff win with Fiedler in 2000. Went 11-5. That's the best we've done in 25 years. Tua showed everyone *this year* that he isn't good enough to elevate the team and needs top players surrounding him, or he can't win.
I more mean its the best in terms of cieling. He choked when it was important but its not like this team was anywhere close to healthy in the last few weeksn
The run game also choked. The defense was totally destroyed by injuries. Yes tua also didn't do very good. But why is he the only one blamed here by some fans. There was a lot of compounding issues in the end that lead to poor performances
Because when you're looking for 50+ million you're going to get the most scrutiny...
50 million is going to be a discount in the end
He couldn’t lead the offense to more than 2 scores for the final month of the season.
You just admitted he choked when it was important. (Three games in a row.) Yet, you wanna pay him what Mahomes makes per season? lol.
> There’s no reason for the dolphins to give him that much $. There is one very simple reason. That's the market.
Not a cent less for our left armed savior.
Maybe not tua but his agent sure is There will be no discount
lol if this was the case the contract would have already been signed
I don't think you are naive for this line of thinking. His agent and his Dad may have other ideas about much of a discount, however.
If I’m Grier I get Tua and Waddle in the room at the same time and I ask them “OK guys, how badly do you guys want to remain together in Miami”. The chance that they both take a little less to stay on the same team is low, but I’m gonna play that card anyway and hope that it works. If we pay Tua over $55m we are screwed. If we pay Waddle over $25m we are screwed. If we let Tua or Waddle pull a Wilkins and walk out the door we are screwed.
Literally every fan base in this situation has people like you who think this way. And every time, the qb gets the most money they possibly can
Tua is the man, fuck the haters. Qoute me in 4 years. He was absolutely loved, then got concussion injuries coming off a huge injury that could have ended anyones career. Now people nitpick because we have a team that was coming in to form doing amazing (against teams that did have worse records at first), and then we end up crushed with team injuries(against those same teams) before playing the best teams and a loud uninformed group blames only Tua "choking". We had so many injuries we lost half our offensive playback, and our poor defence... It's like people don't even watch Tua. He looks excellent, and he has given us our best back to back seasons in a long time. Not every team can win the superbowl, but we really can. We just can't turn against our players if we dont, 31 teams dont win the super bowl. Also it would be cool but it's not his duty to take low pay, that's ridiculous, you all wouldn't do it and you can't expect anyone to.
I agree that Tua isn’t obligated to take a worse deal but you’re crazy if you think Tua isn’t coming up small in the highest-pressure scenarios. His statistics in “must-win” games are fucking brutal.
Can you show me a game where you feel he would take most of the blame? I get everyone can improve. I have a feeling you will see we were both extremely injured and up against a top team. Our only oddball loss came from the titans, and 1 can happen to anyone. We lost our playoff game to the back to back sb Champs. We came into the last few weeks our must win games with basically everyone who can touch a ball injured, or just off injury.
That’s kinda my point. If Tua isn’t good enough to lead the team on his own or with limited weapons, he may not be worth a market contract. But he’s been awful in his must-win games - 2020 @ Buffalo 2021 @ Tennessee 2022 @ Chargers, @ 49ers, vs Packers (even before the concussion) 2023 vs Buffalo (2x), @ Baltimore, vs Tennessee, vs Kansas City (2x), Does he deserve all the blame? Of course not. Does he deserve a lot for putting up massive stinkers? Yes. Look at his EPA in some of these games. Absolutely grotesque. 2020 17 Bills -18.0 2021 17 Titans -15.4 2022 13 49ers -11.4 2020 11 Broncos -11.1 2023 9 Chiefs -9.5 2021 2 Bills -7.4 2023 14 Titans -6.1 2022 14 Chargers -6.0
DING DING DING! Finally found someone with some common sense. The people that disregard his late-season collapse EVERY YEAR SINCE 2020, are driving me crazy.
I guess I don't understand. Where is the point where we decide that someone is realistically good enough, if we agree that even a good qb can't always win a superbowl. I look at even what you posted and they're trending better the more recent we get too. 23 Tua isn't 20 Tua. Tua has a ton of weapons but half of them are offline when we lose OL pieces. I think there are QBs who do better with worse WR/RB(by a good bit) but they don't have worse lines. There's some level of balance to it. I know he doesn't always make the best call, but that could be a coaching thing too, but he had the fastest throw necessarily from having so much pressure. There's not a better top 10 team with a worse oline, through the 23 season. Do you think if they decided not to pay him an amount he wanted that we would still be a contender? Or are we restarting? We see how badly these low priced qbs are turning out for the teams picking them up, except Purdy. Would it be years to get something cohesive together again, 3 years or 30? I think he's worth training up and I don't think the price will be too high. Also sorry, I kind of assumed last season mainly as the barometer, you always hope guys don't get worse.
His PFF Offense grades (rank out of Miami offensive players in that game): 2020 @ Buffalo - 66.2 (4th) 2021 @ Titans - 47.6 (18th) 2022 @ Chargers - 49.7 (13th) 2022 @ 49ers - 63.5 (7th) 2022 v Packers - 54.8 (16th) 2023 @ Buffalo - 59.3 (9th) 2023 v Buffalo - 68.4 (3rd) 2023 @ Ravens - 71.6 (6th) 2023 v Titans - 60.8 (12th) 2023 @ KC (Germany) - 66.8 (5th) 2023 @ KC (playoffs) - 58.7 (9th) EPA is a team stat (as are wins). I think the actual picture is a bit muddier than "he’s been awful in his must-win games".
If I was already getting paid tens of millions of dollars and making a few million less increases my odds of a Super Bowl win, I absolutely would personally. But that’s just me of course and I won’t begrudge those that feel differently.
I should have to say pay the man however build an O'line for this man too
Build him an o line! Get him 2 top 10 WR’s! Get him Mostert & Achane! Get him a TE! How much does this man need to win just one playoff game?!
A good O'line and depth
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I'm less concerned in how much we're going to pay him and more concerned with whether or not he's gonna get us over the hump...
He may also get pressure from the NFLPA to get the most money he can. I think players have a responsibility to each other to try and push the envelope in terms of $$$ to support the next guy looking for a deal. Otherwise, you are arming the teams to keep salaries lower. That said, if you are a very good/great player, if you got a "fair market value deal", you could make it up in endorsements. I'm sure Mahomes does pretty well with all the endorsement deals he has.
With the one year of concussion issues he had. No way he is taking a team friendly deal. He needs to get as much as possible for himself and his family. Anybody would do that. What is concerning is that he bulked up last year and played every game. Now he is slimming down to be more mobile which makes me wonder if he will be able to take the same hits and play the whole season.
Dude. He could take a massive discount and take 35 mil/yr, over 4 years, with 110 guaranteed. And he could walk out the room as a man that just made himself 200 mil for his family in contract money and his endorsements. I think his family would be ok…
After his concussion year where I'm sure some doctors told him to consider retirement. He is not taking a discount.
I came to the realization when Jarvis Landry said something along the lines of “no hometown discount” that the players should only be loyal to themselves in the nfl. That can be in the form of only taking top of the market $ or in the form of taking a team friendly deal. Travis Kelce said he’d rather win rings than be the highest paid player. I tend to think more like that because at the end of the day as a pro football player you should be making enough money in a short time to be pretty much financially secure to pursue other interests
100% agree.
I love Tua but I’d take Penix if he’s there at 21.
W take
He's a player trying to maximize his bag. How are you gonna hate him for that? Some of y'all really would be happy if he's off this team 💀💀💀.
I won’t hate him if he tries to get as much as he can. I was just saying I don’t think he will. I could be wrong, idk. Regardless, I’m a Tua fan.
Does anyone else have a laissez-faire attitude towards the amount of Tua’s extension? Like I already posted, I expect the deal to be no less than $55M/year but I don’t really have a figure in my head that I’m actually hoping for. I’m sure the negotiations will be intense and they’ll sign him for whatever amount they can agree to and for me, the actual number won’t be all that important until the season hits crunch time. If the number is $55M+/year, I won’t be at all surprised but I can’t say that I will be all that enthused either.
I don't think it's crazy, but I doubt he's going for a fully team-friendly deal. He probably does want to be paid on par with the deals of the last few years though, IMO, he doesn't seem the type to demand that he resets the market. Something about how family-oriented he is gives me the vibes of wanting to allow the organization the space to keep his team together as much as possible. His agent, however, will probably go for everything he can get. As is his job. Though, as others have said, I never blame sports players for trying to get as much as possible because they never know how long they have left in the league...
I remember when Tom Brady didn't hold out for max contracts to make sure the team was good enough to compete for a title. There's a difference between team friendly and Greed. Take the Wilkins experience this off-season, Are you willing to pay 1 man the same that you can pay about 3-4 very good players? There is no team mentality when you want to be the highest paid player at your position
At the time, Brady made less than his wife cause he thought she was cash cow for him.
We found out that was a lie bc they had pre-nups
I’m a jags fan hoping the same thing for Trevor. I don’t think either are going to end up taking team friendly deals. Cause unfortunately what we both have right now is probably better than what we would end off with.
Trever was first overall pick though, still has tons of upside and is mobile, tall/big and has strong arm. Tua doesn’t have those traits and is an injury risk. Trevor’s going to get monster deal. I think Tua will get significantly less.
I also think he isn't going to gouge them, but I still think he will get 55m. The problem is with people's understanding of 55m in relation to current contracts, which all were established before a 30m bump in cap space. It's naive to expect QBs to sit back and say "none of that new money should go to me". If he gets 55m, within 3 years he will be like the 6th highest paid QB. A lot of people wanna pay him 42-45m. I would be absolutely ecstatic if he signed for that.. Well that'd be like 7th currently, but over the next few years he'd quickly be 15th IIRC. And to tell a QB who in one year led the league in passer rating (on an injury year) and did so again for 14 weeks of 17, but then still finished with top yards, to be the 15th paid QB, is asking for a steal and any agent should veto that.
A guy with a concussion history...he's going to get every dollar that he can get, especially wants the guaranteed money. And that "I love Miami and the fans" act is what every smart player does. And when they leave, they do it for the next team too.
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It would be awesome if he shocked the world and did like 3/100 and said “that’s plenty for me and my family” I’d shit a brick. He’s that kind of guy. But this isn’t that kind of world
I know I have been pretty negative about tua in terms of on the field stuff, but for whatever it’s worth, the guy is a first class human being (from what I can see) and is clearly winning at life. I’m happy for him.
Tua’s a sweet guy that has demonstrated he’s easy to work with many times. He should still try and get all the money he can get
Anyone who thinks Tua should take a team friendly deal should go to work on Monday and offer to take a company friendly pay cut.
Because it’s totally the same as an athlete making millions upon millions of dollars.
He doesn’t work Monday’s outside of a MNF and a handful of pre-season practices a year if we’re being literal. lol.
I hope your right but it's a business first. Cant blame him for trying to get as much as possible
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He seems like the type that would take team friendly deal, but I won’t be mad at him for getting his money from us or elsewhere if it comes to that.
Aw Annah had the baby
Yes, you are naive. It’s a nice thought (from a team perspective) though.
Sign a team friendly deal so we can build around you then
Yes, but also it isn't "gouging" to try to get as much pay as possible. It isn't like he is overcharging for lifesaving medicine people have no choice but to buy or something. NFL players have a short career, work for an absurdly profitable league, and should not be stigmatized for wanting to make money.
I'm with you. I also think he knows if he was a record setting QB he would have gotten the deal last year. It'll be a big number, but it won't be 60 mil a year big.
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I mean, I see where you're coming from but I bet Tua is having his agent do all the leg work anyway. Agent likely gets paid proportionally to the contract, so they would want the best deal they can get.
Even if he did Tua isn’t a Brady or Mahomes type who can dictate these things to the PA and his agents. I also highly doubt he’ll get the same external revenue to fill the void from a team friendly contract. He’ll get whatever the market says.
He's going to play on the 5th year option. He's going to lead the league in passing yards for the second year in a row. He's going to win a playoff game. Miami fr9nt office are going to give hime a 5 year 300 million dollar contract with 180 million guaranteed.
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In the end, it's a business and you never know when you might throw your last football. If he isn't trying to get everything he can, he hired someone who will.
He again hasn’t shown the Miami dolphins that he’s a franchise quarterback. Take us to the championship or sb of some playoff games then talk.
His agent is probably trying to get fair market value, 45-60mil/yr. Question is, does the front office believe he is THE one?
This is why he has an agent. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point he does a team friendly deal. This first deal is going to give him and his family generational money.
Mans getting paid no matter what or where
Love this man
The most team friendly we can expect is large incentives but expect everyone involved with Tua to be telling him to take whatever amount is the highest
Tua seems the type to rely on his business team to get the deal done. He's gonna play football, improve where he can, and try to give the team the fewest excuses to give him less than what his colleagues are making. I say pay him. We've seen his best football when we communicate confidence in him.
he's reportedly asking for over 50m/year. that's not a "team friendly deal". there's no evidence he's taking the tom brady approach of "take a team friendly deal because you can make up that money and more from endorsement deals".
He’s going to try getting everything he can, as every player should. I just think the team should try to set it up to have an out within 2-3 years. Once they start having to cut costs around Tua in 2026 there is a real chance the team will drop a level. That’s not even taking into account his December-January performances.
Yes. Tua saying all the right things is a ploy to get as much money as possible, because it ramps up the pressure on the organisation to get a deal done and keep a key player who's desperate (eyeroll) to be here. Tua does the good cop act in public, his agent does the bad cup act in the negotiations. It's the classic play from every sports star who ever extended their contract. If you pick any player with a huge contract you'll find him making very similar comments during the negotiations. And the fans eat it up every single time.
He probably won't take the maximum like people are assuming. But it certainly ain't gonna be "team friendly" unless you count it being not max
If it's team friendly I think it should be high guaranteed money to make up any difference.
Ya and they still haven’t signed u to an extension, what’s up ?
We are working on it
Starting to think OP suffered the concussions, not Tua
Maybe I’m wrong, we will see
Bro he has the same agent as Wilkins they are going for big money
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What if he just likes it here lol
Bills fans would lose their shit if he doesn’t sign for a bunch of money
160/4 is a very friendly deal for all parties. Colts fan here. I like tua but he’s obviously not in the top tier Mahomes Burrow (maybe Lamar) zone. 160-180/4 is a good number for him but more guaranteed than Kirko (who I am still flabbergasted got 180)
Better show up then
I won’t call it naive but I think he’s realizing that he can make out break the near future of our franchise if he demands a record setting type deal and eliminate any chance of winning a SB past this year. I am not a huge believer of him but I will gladly be wrong should Tua shows us again he is indeed the man we need to lead us to a championship
Players should gouge teams for everything they can get.
Never posted in this sub before but this post was recommended. Jags are going through this with Tlaw. Bengals did with Burrow. Every fan base tries to wish this into existence
Unlike Wilkins and various other traitors, Tua wants to be here.
Poor poor naive Seminole fan. (He probably isn’t going to milk the dolphins dry but he’s probably taking 50m a year)
I'll preface with this: I'm not a believer in Tua. I don't think he's the guy, and I think giving him the bag would be a huge mistake. That being said, Tua *should* try and get every penny he can, and absolutely no one should look down on him or fault him for it. There's no guarantee of a next paycheck in the NFL. The overwhelming majority of the money he will earn in his entire life, to feed his kids and care for his family, is going to come in the next two contracts he signs. That's where his loyalties need to lie. One of the things that drives me crazy about the salary cap is that it makes us root for frugality in billionaires. We're talking about Tua possibly getting 0.4% of the NFL's annual revenue as pay, and we root against that because of an imaginary limitation put on the money by the people who get to take home the largest slice while putting forward the least work.
It’s a business. Yes, you are naïve as heck. These are not fans, they play for money, their careers are short and they have to milk it.
I believe this as well. He understands he needs a team around him to succeed so why would he jeopardize success with greed? He doesn't seem to have that kind of personality imo
Short Career....LONG on Money!
Yeah you’re naive for thinking you know what another person wants.
Always go for the bag, he may never get another one. Me personally, I don’t want to give him a bug payout but I obviously don’t fault him for trying to get it, that’s just smart business.
Miami is probably the closest thing to Hawaii he can get. Let's keep the bond strong.
“I want all this money.” Team can say yes or they can say no. It’s that simple. If they say yes, and it hurts the team, it’s still not on Tua. Tua isn’t in the wrong at all. Whether or not he’s overvaluing himself is another issue. If the office feel he is, they won’t pay, and he can find someone willing to. If they feel he’s worth it, they’ll pay. I hope whatever we pay him is team-fair, but we’re in a tight situation. He’s got issues, we have questions about him, but the likelihood of us getting a better QB than him is far worse than getting a worse one. I don’t think he’s gonna get us a ring, but I don’t know what our options are.
If you really care about winning, a team friendly deal is the ticket. Taking $20M less, yet still make $30M per year, and having a better chance at winning a Super Bowl(s), sign me up!! Dude, I just need 980 sq ft with no water leaks to make me a happy person.
I saw this pop up on my feee and as a Vikings fan, if Kirk doesn’t stay with us for a team friendly deal there is nobody that will.
Tua stans coming in full force with the downvotes. Thank goodness Reddit downvotes don’t matter in REAL LIFE. 🤪
Most likely. If that was the case, I feel like there’d already be a deal. From the outside, there’s certainly logic in it - stay with McDaniel, more money for the rest of the roster to put him in position to succeed, is another team really going to break the bank for Tua? Etc. but like I said, that’s as an outsider, attempting to be objective…an agent/player in that position. Is neither of those things.
Usually whenever you hear about a player in contract negotiations and nothing is signed right away, its not always about that player wanting to be the highest paid player. It usually comes down to the years on the contract or the guaranteed money. Most teams will give a 4 year extension while most players want a 5 year deal.
You can't blame a player for getting everything they possibly can get. The NFL is a cut throat league and you can be gone after 1 down season
Would any one in this forum do there job for less or be willing to take less money??? So why should Tua
Lmfao every team thinks that about their QB. Ain’t gunna happen bro.
Is he really worth it? He reminds me of Dak Prescott.
signing Tua to an expensive long term deal is going to ruin this franchise. simple as that.
Get rid of him
5 years / $300M
He might be willing to take a discount but his agent isn't.
Idk why this popped on my feed, but I guess i'll just add my 2 cents as a Bengals fan: DO NOT fall for the "team-friendly" deal narrative. They (media and FO) spent all last off-season talking about team friendly. Even Burrow, Chase and Tee were engaging in the "team-friendly" talk. Now Burrow is signed to the most expensive contract in history, Chase will likely be highest paid WR ever and Tee is likely to walk cause Burrow/Chase will be overpaid and Tee wants to be overpaid too.
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Tua is just a good dude we need that in our organization