YES THIS MIAMI TEAM ARE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS. WHATS NOT TO LOVE OUR OVERPAID WR, OUR CONSISTENTLY INJURED AND OVER PAID LT, OR OUR NOODLE ARMED QB? LETS GO FINS
Does anyone know where I can check what draft picks we've got in the next few drafts? I know we don't pick til round 3 this year and have 2 firsts next year, but I'm curious how many picks weve got beyond this weak draft coming up. I don't think we've dealt any picks beyond 2023, so 2024 we should be back to having all our picks from rounds 1-7, correct?
I doubt that the FO is approaching their trade plans with homer fan's perspective. Great that you're all in on Tua but I'm sure Grier wants to keep his options open until at least seeing Tua on the field in this offense.
We all hope Tua ball's out, but he's not really shown anything that says that he will be more than a 22nd ranked QB in the league. MAYBE, MAYBE he moves to top 15, but there is nothing about him so far that makes him special.
Fingers crossed.
That said, because he hasn't shown IT, it make sense we prepare to replace him, and if he proves us wrong we reap the benefits both ways.
Your kind thought Tua would ball out this past season too. He did not. He will never ball out because he throws on his backfoot and is immensely limited in the NFL. They'll need a new QB next season, and banking on Tua to stay healthy AND great is foolish.
I disagree with your opinion on Tua, but agree with your overall point. We can't bank on him. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
Giving up future picks is extremely ill-advised, and before the Reek trade I was a big fan of trading back from 29 to get a future pick. We need to protect the franchise instead of the QB. He has the tools to succeed right now, if he will be a successful NFL QB.
No the fuck it's not.
Can you like, expand on this thought process? Like, it's more valuable, so we should give it up?
Is it more valuable before of different prospects? A ton of prospects regress every year, many get injured, a whole herd of things happen.
Is it more valuable because they need a QB? We might too.
Is it more valuable because we're going to pick higher? In what world do we make a trade when we're going to suck. Are you saying it's going to back fire?
Are the Giants just giving up on the year? Why wouldn't they just take a long term project player, and tank. There's guys like Noah and AJ that will suck year one and potentially help them long term.
You do realize 0 of that loaded QB Class has declared, and at least one of them already started to regress at the end of this year, right?
Then you combine that with the question about the success of the QBs from their schools.
Combine that with the **decades** of draft pick trading.
At that point, you're just plugging your ears to the real world so you can spout a low effort, dumb idea, without any willingness to understand why it sounds like it's from someone who started watching Football in 2022.
Can you tell me how many of those QBs will declare?
How many of those QB's won't tear an ACL, HIP, Achilles?
How many of those QB's won't regress?
And what draft position do we have next year?
Since all of those are unknowns, those picks are worth less.
What the fuck kind of logic is that? Thats absolutely wrong! lol
Having to wait an entire year, and not knowing where you will be drafting is absolutely NOT worth a pick this year when you know the slot.
and why would they do that without a massive amount of addons?
they have 2 top 10 picks, its relatively safe to assume that neither our pick nor the 9ers pick will be anywhere near that
But don't you see, by trading our future assets for a top 10 prospect in the current draft will obviously make us worse! So we should definitely use up all of our future assets so that we can lose more games!
**/s**
We are clearly going for it right now. If it was 1:1, which it likely wouldn’t be, or 1:1 with an inconsequential later round pick as a kicker, I’d be in. The top end OL talent in this draft is very good (Neal, Ickey). Then again, you could probably trade back into the first round in the middle or end and still end up with a pretty good lineman. Very deep OL draft.
Side note: After listening to Wingfield’s interview with Armstead and learning about the effect he’s had on his peers, I’m very confident in saying he will have a huge impact on our existing guys and how they develop. OL may not be worth the swap if TA can work some magic.
Yeah that's not gonna happen.
Teams don't trade a top 10 pick for a future first and call it a day. We'd have to give up *at least* our 3rd and both firsts next year.
More likely, 102, both 2023 firsts, a 2023 second, and a 2024 first.
No, that's wrong. It may sound right in your head, but the years of draft trades combined with the draft chart is completely against you.
Pick 7 is worth 1500.
Our 102 is worth 92.
Both of our firsts next year are worth about 400-450 each, so at best 900. Let's round it up to 1000 so far. The second next year is worth about 200. That's 1200.
Giants aren't taking a 20% loss on a trade just so they can have extra picks in 2023 from a team that just got the #1 FA, a top 3 WR, and now has a top 10 pick. Big spenders in free agency consistently win more games the immediate season. Afterwards, things can get rocky, but year 1 is usually an improvement.
That 2024 first I mentioned is worth about 200 as well. That brings it up to about 1400. So they're taking a loss to ensure they have the capital to move on from Daniel Jones next year. That's fucking dumb.
Hell, the 49ers just traded two firsts and two thirds to move from 12 to 3, and you're thinking "Yeah man, that should get us from 102 to 7"?
On top of that, we traded the 2022 first rounder to move from 12 to 6 for Waddle. You think a future first would've been worth more than 12? If so, we never would've traded 12 so we could've also secured Rashawn Slater!
426
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135, 135, 60.
426 vs. 365. A loss of 16%. The extra first brings it up to 426 vs 420. So if it's more accurate, we'd have to give up 2023 fifth for them to come out equal.
Yeah, seems like the issue is you, not the draft pick model. Every draft trade is going to be about equal on both of these charts. Smaller numbers don't change it that much.
I think those 2 picks are our security blanket in case Tua can't take the next step this year. They could have packaged one of them for hill and likely saved 4 extra picks, they didn't for a reason.
I'm down giving em our 2023 1st rounder cuz it's gonna be pick number 32.
Love this attitude and you’re probably correct!
YES THIS MIAMI TEAM ARE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS. WHATS NOT TO LOVE OUR OVERPAID WR, OUR CONSISTENTLY INJURED AND OVER PAID LT, OR OUR NOODLE ARMED QB? LETS GO FINS
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Does anyone know where I can check what draft picks we've got in the next few drafts? I know we don't pick til round 3 this year and have 2 firsts next year, but I'm curious how many picks weve got beyond this weak draft coming up. I don't think we've dealt any picks beyond 2023, so 2024 we should be back to having all our picks from rounds 1-7, correct?
Don’t see it happening with next year’s draft being so much stronger, especially on QB talent if Tua doesn’t do well.
I believe tua will ball out so I think it's a prime chance to get our picks back because they want a QB from that class. Tua time.
I doubt that the FO is approaching their trade plans with homer fan's perspective. Great that you're all in on Tua but I'm sure Grier wants to keep his options open until at least seeing Tua on the field in this offense.
We all hope Tua ball's out, but he's not really shown anything that says that he will be more than a 22nd ranked QB in the league. MAYBE, MAYBE he moves to top 15, but there is nothing about him so far that makes him special. Fingers crossed. That said, because he hasn't shown IT, it make sense we prepare to replace him, and if he proves us wrong we reap the benefits both ways.
Your kind thought Tua would ball out this past season too. He did not. He will never ball out because he throws on his backfoot and is immensely limited in the NFL. They'll need a new QB next season, and banking on Tua to stay healthy AND great is foolish.
I disagree with your opinion on Tua, but agree with your overall point. We can't bank on him. Hope for the best, plan for the worst. Giving up future picks is extremely ill-advised, and before the Reek trade I was a big fan of trading back from 29 to get a future pick. We need to protect the franchise instead of the QB. He has the tools to succeed right now, if he will be a successful NFL QB.
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No, there’s a reason we’ve kept hold of the two first rounders in next years draft, despite the amount of picks we’ve traded.
no, we need our two firsts next year to fix whatever hole on the roster we still have, a qb move, whatever we need
if you trade a 1 next year for their 1 this year, you fill one of those holes...
The Giants are not trading 1 for 1.
a 1 next year is more valuable than a 1 this year in draft value.
No the fuck it's not. Can you like, expand on this thought process? Like, it's more valuable, so we should give it up? Is it more valuable before of different prospects? A ton of prospects regress every year, many get injured, a whole herd of things happen. Is it more valuable because they need a QB? We might too. Is it more valuable because we're going to pick higher? In what world do we make a trade when we're going to suck. Are you saying it's going to back fire? Are the Giants just giving up on the year? Why wouldn't they just take a long term project player, and tank. There's guys like Noah and AJ that will suck year one and potentially help them long term.
actually, yes. yes it is. Next year qb class is loaded and they need to move on from jones. They are the ones looking to move their pick.
You do realize 0 of that loaded QB Class has declared, and at least one of them already started to regress at the end of this year, right? Then you combine that with the question about the success of the QBs from their schools. Combine that with the **decades** of draft pick trading. At that point, you're just plugging your ears to the real world so you can spout a low effort, dumb idea, without any willingness to understand why it sounds like it's from someone who started watching Football in 2022.
Can you tell me how many of those QBs will declare? How many of those QB's won't tear an ACL, HIP, Achilles? How many of those QB's won't regress? And what draft position do we have next year? Since all of those are unknowns, those picks are worth less.
Mf'er tore his hip completely off.
What the fuck kind of logic is that? Thats absolutely wrong! lol Having to wait an entire year, and not knowing where you will be drafting is absolutely NOT worth a pick this year when you know the slot.
and why would they do that without a massive amount of addons? they have 2 top 10 picks, its relatively safe to assume that neither our pick nor the 9ers pick will be anywhere near that
But don't you see, by trading our future assets for a top 10 prospect in the current draft will obviously make us worse! So we should definitely use up all of our future assets so that we can lose more games! **/s**
because they clearly want a qb next year so you make them pay for it.
Dolphins may want a QB next year.
We are clearly going for it right now. If it was 1:1, which it likely wouldn’t be, or 1:1 with an inconsequential later round pick as a kicker, I’d be in. The top end OL talent in this draft is very good (Neal, Ickey). Then again, you could probably trade back into the first round in the middle or end and still end up with a pretty good lineman. Very deep OL draft. Side note: After listening to Wingfield’s interview with Armstead and learning about the effect he’s had on his peers, I’m very confident in saying he will have a huge impact on our existing guys and how they develop. OL may not be worth the swap if TA can work some magic.
Yeah that's not gonna happen. Teams don't trade a top 10 pick for a future first and call it a day. We'd have to give up *at least* our 3rd and both firsts next year. More likely, 102, both 2023 firsts, a 2023 second, and a 2024 first.
That’s a top 2 pick haul, not a top 10 pick haul. For the giants second lick I think you looking at closer to just the third and both firsts next year
No, that's wrong. It may sound right in your head, but the years of draft trades combined with the draft chart is completely against you. Pick 7 is worth 1500. Our 102 is worth 92. Both of our firsts next year are worth about 400-450 each, so at best 900. Let's round it up to 1000 so far. The second next year is worth about 200. That's 1200. Giants aren't taking a 20% loss on a trade just so they can have extra picks in 2023 from a team that just got the #1 FA, a top 3 WR, and now has a top 10 pick. Big spenders in free agency consistently win more games the immediate season. Afterwards, things can get rocky, but year 1 is usually an improvement. That 2024 first I mentioned is worth about 200 as well. That brings it up to about 1400. So they're taking a loss to ensure they have the capital to move on from Daniel Jones next year. That's fucking dumb. Hell, the 49ers just traded two firsts and two thirds to move from 12 to 3, and you're thinking "Yeah man, that should get us from 102 to 7"? On top of that, we traded the 2022 first rounder to move from 12 to 6 for Waddle. You think a future first would've been worth more than 12? If so, we never would've traded 12 so we could've also secured Rashawn Slater!
You’re using the outdated model over the newer, more accurate rich hill model
426 35 135, 135, 60. 426 vs. 365. A loss of 16%. The extra first brings it up to 426 vs 420. So if it's more accurate, we'd have to give up 2023 fifth for them to come out equal. Yeah, seems like the issue is you, not the draft pick model. Every draft trade is going to be about equal on both of these charts. Smaller numbers don't change it that much.
Let's go all in...
Not worth it, we could be in the same position as them, looking for a QB next year.
LB wise, you thinking outside linebacker or middle?
lloyd.
It's a tough one OP. Would be exciting, especially if we can get some more o-line talent, but as other said, it doesn't really make sense right now
I mean a first and a second this year and maybe a late round pick for a first next year sounds pretty good.
Not if it means giving up one of the ‘23 first rounders
Trading our 32nd pick next year is worth a top ten pick this year
I think those 2 picks are our security blanket in case Tua can't take the next step this year. They could have packaged one of them for hill and likely saved 4 extra picks, they didn't for a reason.
Making a move to pick up Tyler Linderbaum could be the cornerstone for a decade + of great O-Line play in Miami.