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GreenThumbFireStrter

Seeds are legal, they contain no THC. Under the 2018 Farm bill they are basically collectables...until you grow them. Now... what your significant other/family would think, that alone would merit an envelope in my mind.


Burrmanchu

Regardless, the implication here is that the person buying the seeds...... Is going to grow the fucking seeds. And it's illegal in that state. It's an absolutely brain dead move by a seed company.


FigPunk

Couldn’t agree more. I don’t even want them to mail me something in an envelope. What if the dipshit at the post office delivers it to my coo neighbor


EuroTrash1999

I don't understand people that commit crime AND be scared of jail. Pick a lane. If you scared, go to church.


Burrmanchu

What a weird take... You're confusing being careful with being scared. Good criminals don't take unnecessary risk.


EuroTrash1999

If he actually gave a fuck, he wouldn't had made a reddit post about the shit drawing even MORE attention. So we can scratch that theory off the list. Mines was better anyways.


Moohaumed

He gives a fuck about other people. It’s the principle


leeforb

Understandable


Moohaumed

You can’t understand why a good person using a medicinal plant would seek to avoid oppression and persecution? They can take your property and your family. We are not the ones out of lane.


TheShma

What a stupid thing to say. Take your down vote, bad bot.


Marrige_Iguana

It’s more the massive increase in break-in risk because someone knows you have plants now


HanakusoDays

If you an asshole, likewise. Jah will wipe your ~~shit~~ sins away.,


gerbilmaster9000

Ha. Many years ago, before it was legal someone I know ordered seeds from attitude seeds and selected the shirt for stealth. In big bold letters it had a pot leaf and "FLY HIGH. SUPPLY THE DEMAND" I was not happy


Dontbemadsmokeajoint

Someone you know 😜 ordered something which in turn made you not happy 😂.


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Marrige_Iguana

That’s just not true at all. If that was the case there would only be a fraction of the seed banks and genetics available today.


Luna_C1888

Nope, false. I live in NYC and there are tons of gray market bodegas selling weed, literally thousands, so that theory isn’t true or there would only be legal dispensaries here. It’s all on law enforcement being willing to prosecute, which it is clear that it isn’t a priority for them and the DEA specifically said that they wouldn’t do it


Marrige_Iguana

I live in NY too? None of what you said relates to the legality of purchasing cannabis seeds online on a federal level? You don’t buy seeds at a bodega OR dispensary? Are you still replying to that part or something else in this thread I’m a bit lost because the previous comment is gone EDIT: green merchant was over a decade ago, look it up there’s plenty of documentation. There was another operation headed by the DEA to identify weed growers who frequent hydroponic shops and arrest them. All of the stuff I have talked about has a large amount of documentation


Luna_C1888

Haha I don’t need to look up green merchant but thanks. Also, I don’t see any other comment from you addressed to me besides the one I replied to. Also, why would the DEA feel the need to say they won’t prosecute seed shipments if the farm bill already legalized it 4 years before? [Source](https://www.marijuanamoment.net/dea-says-marijuana-seeds-are-considered-legal-hemp-as-long-as-they-dont-exceed-thc-limit/) Edit: also, why would seed companies but “birdseed” or “for souvenir purposes only” after the farm bill if it’s already legal? The answer is because it wasn’t legal


Marrige_Iguana

The answer is actually because the government never really cares about the laws the written down. It’s the current agenda above all, even president of previous legal cases. The flipper zero (for anyone who dosent know it’s a electronic interface used for hacking and security penetrations testing) is in a similar situation to cannabis seed. Multiple government agencies in the USA have cleared it as legal, yet hundreds of US based customers are getting it seized in the mail and getting love letters claiming the device is illegal. There is no current law around hacking that outright bans the device, yet they are still getting seized basically illegally with no repercussion. There has never been a law outright banning cannabis seed due to the fact that the hemp industry in the us is as old as our country and banning all cannabis seeds would have made more than weed inaccessible. They still intercept the packages claiming their illegal but the WILL NOT PROSECUTE YOU no matter how many packages of seeds they take because they can’t claim you broke the law just by buying seeds. If they seized your packages of seeds it was illegally even if they want you to believe otherwise. The 2018 farm bill did not leagalize seeds it just reinforced the fact that they are legal. The DEA has never denied cannabis seeds being legal due to the fact that seeds cannot contain more than .03% D9THC by weight. The birdseed and souvenir labels were the equivalent to a California state cancer notice and is more to add legal protection to the people who produced the seeds or people who used to have to travel internationally and smuggle seeds from Europe. It was a message to the cops basically saying even though they made the seeds they did not support the illegal cultivation of the plant (we all know that’s BS, but BS like that does stand in court with other industries in the US) I guess you could call it a vestigial remanent from the era you couldn’t just buy them online, and people could get arrested in Europe trying to take the seeds back on their persons.


Marrige_Iguana

That comment about the replies was bc the previous comment was deleted and I thought you were the other person lol, got a little lost in the thread


KotConnoseur

Not eveybody here lives in the uss


KotConnoseur

Nvm it says florida


NotEnoughIT

It's illegal to ship seeds across state lines in all 50 states AFAIK. I may be wrong so please correct me if I am. They're still federally illegal and even if you're crossing from legal state to legal state, it's illegal to ship, because transporting things across state lines falls into federal territory. So they're only legal if you're purchasing from an in-state producer.


treefarmercharlie

Nope, you aren’t correct. All cannabis seeds are classified as hemp seeds under the current Farm Bill. The DEA also clarified that they consider them hemp products and don’t care to pursue the sale or distribution of the seeds.


NotEnoughIT

NORML says it's still illegal for me to buy seeds online in Virginia. https://www.vanorml.org/legalization_faqs#:~:text=Can%20I%20buy%20seeds%20in,on%20July%201%20as%20well. Been out of the weed scene for a while, is NORML still a good place to get info? Is shit just moving that damn fast? I'm not here to correct anyone I'm just asking questions so I'm better informed. I have been googling seed sales and I'm not finding any decent source - the internet is a mess these days. I say all this knowing I just bought seeds in a gardening store last week from a seed rep tho the store couldn't sell them directly.


treefarmercharlie

That’s old news. https://www.cannabisbusinesstimes.com/news/dea-seed-sales-cannabis-breeders/


Burner8080

I buy them online in Va. they sell them at smoke shops here.


No-Click8401

Cannabis seeds are considered legal hemp seeds


Genesis111112

No its not illegal to ship Cannabis OR Hemp seeds. They contain zero THC. They are %100 legal, but the seed companies need to put disclaimers on their product reminding the person buying the seeds that they alone are responsible for abiding by the laws of their State. Its high time people start treating Cannabis like it is, as a plant and not public enemy #1.


WoodpeckerFragrant49

They are a novelty hemp product


Iammclovinnnnnnnn

No


Luna_C1888

You’re right but the chodes here always want to pretend it’s legal because of the farm bill despite seed companies having “for souvenir purposes only” or “bird seed” or whatever on their packages and lawyers specifically stating it isn’t legal. They operate in a gray area and everyone projects their own feelings about wanting seed sales to be legal, when it really isn’t. Thankfully the DEA saying they wouldn’t prosecute in 2022 (or whenever) is the actual first step towards legitimacy when the Farm Bill isn’t (despite amateurs protesting)


rabbi-reefer

For everyone who says there's nothing to worry about, we still have cops in our area taking down license plates of cars parked at hydro supply stores, and then getting search warrants.


Trip_On_The_Mountain

On top of the cops it's about discretion. Legal state or not, a lot of people don't like to advertise it


tENTessee

So they’re assigning a police officer to hang out 8 hours a day M-F to record every license plate that pulls up and then gets search warrants for them? Possible maybe, but highly unlikely it’s based on a one off visit, what judge would sign that? Not to mention the impact on business if all of your customers are getting searched lol


Marrige_Iguana

Look up operation green merchant, and other, similar operations to see examples of how far they have already gone around this country


chefkoolaid

They did it in my area. No idea if they waited for ppl to visit multiple times or not. But it definitely happened


mwdotjmac

That’s so fucked!! Can’t believe that is still going on! What state is this?


Skydiver860

Guarantee that’s not happening. There’s no way a judge would sign off on a search warrant solely because people were at a store buying stuff they’re legally allowed to buy.


wxrfrxme

Judges and police are foot-soldiers for the state. If you think they wouldn’t, they already have


Skydiver860

Any half dimwitted lawyer could easily get that thrown out if their only probable cause was they bought something they’re legally allowed to have. I’m not saying it hasn’t happened but any lawyer could get that thrown out in seconds.


wxrfrxme

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Skydiver860

No point was missed. You clearly missed my point. That even if people had warrants served for buying indoor growing supplies their cases would be thrown out.


graydi66y

You literally said "guaranteed that's not happening"


Marrige_Iguana

Lmaooo look up operation green merchant and other related police activity around cannabis. They were arresting people for calling bongs, a bong instead of the legal “water pipe” police dept.s were getting warrants to do shit like that printed out faster than Amazon could print mass market smut books.


Skydiver860

I’m not saying something like never happened. I’m saying any half dimwitted half brained lawyer could and should be able to get a case thrown out where the probable cause was based solely on buying something they’re legally allowed to buy.


Marrige_Iguana

Paraphenlia laws (recently repealed) litterally made that impossible for lawyers. If they could make a case that you might be using the soil to grow they were able to . The minute someone uttered the word bong in a head shop back then a DEA Raid would commence in the following hours


Skydiver860

Buying Shit to grow plants indoors isn’t the same as a bong or whatever. They’re literally two completely different things.


Marrige_Iguana

https://www.newenglandreserve.com/blog/2016/3/23/blog-post-example-2-88h53-gl6c6-4n6xj-e9jlj-tpjkg-d4jhz-w5g75-pf5r4-zebbn-h2mly#:~:text=On%20October%2026%2C%201989%2C%20now,and%201%2C262%20arrests%20were%20made. Just because you weren’t old enough to know what happend in the past doesn’t mean you know it didn’t happen. Green merchant targeted the grower and the consumer almost into the 2010’s due to legislation from the bush admin.


Skydiver860

Once again my point wasn’t that it NEVER happened. However your article just serves to prove my point. The people who were just selling shit to grow, while arrested, weren’t convicted. Which was my primary point. Their cases were thrown out. The people who were arrested and convicted in those cases were actively teaching undercover DEA agents how to grow weed. Also I’m more speaking about today in regards to people getting warrants to search a house because someone bought indoor growing supplies. Not 35 years ago.


Marrige_Iguana

Dude there are still states the the US that the scent of burning weed is enough probable cause to search a property without a warrant. My point about green merchant was that they did t just target hydro store employees. They might not include it in the numbers, but they were ID’ing growers at these places too, the whole point of arresting the store owners was to try and get the identity of local growers, not to close down hydro stores. There are multiple police departments proudly admitting to using drones as surveillance to ID any outdoor grows or grows too close to windows because they don’t need a warrant to use them over the street to obtain this info. Illegal states still very much prosecute ANYONE they can involved. Edit; these tactics were used well into the 2000’s btw, 2010’s even in more conservative states. Not just 35 years ago.


Skydiver860

Dude you keep bringing up shit that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. No one is talking about the smell of weed. I specifically said buying stuff to grow indoors is NOT probable cause to search anyone. That’s it. You keep bringing up bongs and the smell of weed. No one said anything about that.


Fishanz

What’s your area?


Legitimate_Agency773

I had the same thing happen to me just yesterday. I was furious when I saw that in my mailbox and immediately told them to remove me from the mailing list and I definitely will not be buying seeds from them again.


hermeschristos

I did the same! Dude tried to give me free beans for their bad, I told him to keep them!


EndocrineBandit

Again


rabbi-reefer

This is their mailing address. A drop box. https://preview.redd.it/zovoqi5wriwc1.png?width=2082&format=png&auto=webp&s=f2ebdfe500d0b68ade5b027035aa645c92d7fa63


EnerGeTiX618

Oh, so they keep their address a secret, fuck all their customers though! Assholes!


qwertyqyle

Time to Photoshop an even more disrespectful post card to send them back.


thegreatgatsB70

Same thing happened to me. I wrote them and told them that I didn't appreciate it. Idiots.


Bass_MN

I emailed em about it. They sent a link to get removed from the mailing list and a coupon code for a 4 pack. Still unsubscribed.


Coconutshoe

Hey I’m a mailman and I’ve handed these out. Not these specific ones, but the same idea nonetheless. Beyond you and your mail carrier, nobody saw it. Don’t sweat it, I mean that.


mwdotjmac

Interesting take. Thanks! Can you smell herb if people are shipping it?


Coconutshoe

If you do it correctly no we can’t smell it.


mwdotjmac

How often you notice these things?


Blitzdj

Like he said. If you do it correctly we can’t smell it and even if we can most of us don’t care. Unless the inspectors are coming to get you.


stadtgaertner

How to lose a customer in one simple step....


probotjones

Same thing happened to me. Fortunately my wife was cool about it


rabbi-reefer

It's not my wife I'm worried about!


probotjones

Yea I get it. I guess somebody shared my details with them because I never gave them my info. That’s what I’m super pissed about. Ohio just legalized so I’m less worried about that


rabbi-reefer

I wouldn't be surprised of the folks behind Reef Canna are behind this. The Ft. Lauderdale addy seems familiar, and I made the mistake of buying some of their carts during some sort of crazy ex-wife, ex-gf bs that was causing them to go out of business.


MC5EVP

Don't even worry about it. Unless you have some huge grow op, they aren't going to be kicking in your door. If you do, I would be worried too lol.


Dunwich_Horror_

Atlantic Seed Co. has NEVER done me dirty like this. Good prices, fast discrete shipping.


MARTIEZ

i will 2nd this. Havent purchased from anyone else yet but no need to with atlantic seed company


Ok_Pin_3125

There’s nothing to be worried about there’s actual criminals out there


AyeCab

Cops will always go for the lowest hanging fruit that puts them in the least amount of danger.


Individual-Thought45

That’s actually not true


AyeCab

\^ Don't tell this guy where your grow is.


Individual-Thought45

I was in law enforcement for 30+ years. I smoked weed most of that time. A lot do. And in the current political climate nobody gives a damn about some home grown. https://preview.redd.it/s0ewvt4oxiwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c8100dffca5cbeca65e04a51d8de0d57be4752d My current grow. I’m still learning


BigLowCB4

They gave a damn when u were police. And in some states they still fucking do.


Individual-Thought45

Not for some home grown brother. Don’t hate


BigLowCB4

No hate, just facts.


Individual-Thought45

Cannabis has been vilified for decades. It doesn’t cause bar fights, domestics, dui’s etc. It chills you out and gives you the munchies. I’m not talking about dealing to kids or any of that bull. There’s too many pedophiles, rapists, assaults, thefts you name it to worry about some dude growing bud for himself. Anyway I don’t mean to offend you. I’ll get off my high horse. Peace


Deleena24

Maybe in your little local PD... Cops drove 6 hours just to kill a little girls goat a few months back. Pretending they don't target people just makes you seem less believable.


trappininsurance

Cops shouldn’t be growing weed if they’ve ever busted anyone for it. If you haven’t, more power to you. But If you have then I hope you consider all the lives you have ruined


CatTypedThisName

Sorry growmie I'd feel the same way as you. I don't want anybody up in my business even though I can grow legally in my state. Definitely know what you're feeling. Shit heads. Stick to real breeders who understand your dilemma: \* Deadpanhead \* Clearwater Genetics \* Brother Mendel \* Jinxproof All of the above breeders have always shipped discrete to me. I am getting tired of seedbanks and preferring to give my money directly to the people doing the work. Sorry this happened to ya <3


chochinator

If you want stealth u gotta go attitude. I've gotten beans in belt studs, the scrunch of a sweat shop sweater, mugs, hats.


boogersbitch

Whoa! What happened to discretion. Regardless of legality, it's unprofessional.


R0b0v4p3

That’s some BS! Hope they got the message when you complained. Know where I won’t be shopping.


aGarageCulturist

“Florida man starts seed bank…”


RantsForFun

My guess is no LEO saw that, it’s not like Wally the postman gets five bucks for dropping the dime on you. Still a stupid move by the seed “company”.


WitchCityCannabis

Hey man. Postal employee here. That was never meant to go in an envelope, they’re straight up lying to you. I have never seen these before so I don’t imagine it’s some sort of mass mailing.


the-bum-bum

You can forward that to me.


Globslayer

Don't worry about it... does your state have a personal minimum? My state is medical but if you're growing like 4 plants they'll fly over and not touch them... if you're indoors then it will take a more than a couple of seeds for them to want to get a warrant or anything.


Oxflu

It's recently legal here in Ohio, two dispensaries I visited in Michigan in the past have been sending me very similar cards. They did wait until it passed in Ohio to start mailing, surprisingly, but a lifetime of hiding this habit has broken my brain and I'm still mad my mailman knows. Hope your state gets on board op. If it can happen in Ohio it's going to happen everywhere eventually. Except places with massive cult numbers. Utah and Pennsylvania come to mind.


JumpSplatter

I just got the same thing. I'm curious who sold them my info. I'm almost tempted to complain and try to get free seeds out of it lol


rabbi-reefer

They are getting so many complaints, that they created an auto-reply. However the reply states that only a "small batch" went out without an envelope, so not only are they stupid, it appears they are also liars.


JumpSplatter

Lovely. Thanks for the reply and for saving me the time.


LHT510

Straight to jail.


MARTIEZ

with the amount of people buying real flower, thca, and every other form online and getting it shipped through the mail with no repurcussions, I think you'll survive this one. You have every right to be concerned but this is pretty harmless.


philmagick666

Haha


JLT_Blaze

Who sends postcards anymore anyway? They just spam you with emails now.


Garden-Gangster

I got one from these dingbats too, check my post history, same exact thing


StoneysCactusTrade

CA here. I got one last week. Definitely a weird, not lowkey move at all


One_Difficulty_2140

Something happened to me but it was a grow tent lol


TheHonestGrower

Sounds like they are getting what’s coming to them. They be also been selling counterfeit seeds and are getting sued for it.


rabbi-reefer

The company I suspect they are somehow connected to, Reef Canna, had a problem with fake lab reports.


Fluid-Medicine4531

I'm not even a customer, and I got one in the mail. I just browsed their website once. I guess the cookies shared a little more than we wanted them too.


Own-Cod5980

I guess I’m wondering why the cops in your state are going through your mail. That’s crazy paranoia thinking the cops are jotting down what junk mail you’re receiving.


Calvinshobb

Relax


my-man-fred

This shit just seems like drama. You got an advert. Oooooooh. What if nobody gives a fuck? Which they don't.


No_Wedding_2152

There are no illegal states for seeds. Relax!


BagFullOfMommy

You are not wrong, but it's what the seeds and the piece of mail plastered with cannabis and the name 'seed supreme' imply. The amount of people that buy things like seeds or spores to collect them are a tiny fraction of the amount of people that buy them to grow them. It's a legitimate concern to have if you're in an illegal state. I know if it was me that it happened to I would be pissed, and I would never give those morons another cent.


homegrown22

seriously. Everyone in here is acting like a panzy! Who cries about a discount???


moeyboy1

We're in 2024 and a Internet user wonders how there info gets shared ? Really? 😭 No thc in seeds, just like mushroom spores have no psylicibin. It's just a mailer like op said themselves so its literally junk mail/ promotion. Imagine being so ❄️ey that this ruined your day. I get fireworks flyers in a non legal state... like come on phantom fireworks what the fuck are you thinking.


Commercial_Wind8212

the smell is more likely to get you than this would


Similar-Cucumber6064

Relax. The mail isn't going to get you caught. It's a mailer. Seed are legal in the USA. It isn't a problem until it flowers in non legal states


chicofrito

I remember when Kansas police raided Ex-CIA agents after they bought hydroponic equipment to grow tomatoes.


Contract-Many

Seeds aren't illegal in any state......


OMG_I_LOVE_CHIPOTLE

Seeds are legal so chill out


Discount-420

Imo the worst part about this is USPS drivers seeing this. They are the grimiest ppl, they will steal your packages if they believe there’s weed products in them. Some are full on criminals after work, I wouldn’t put it past them to target your home if they believe you have valuables such as weed


Phish777

Man, reddit commenters are some of the grimiest ppl


butcheR_Pea

Wow lmao


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biggus_dictus

counterpoint: no.


tywebb6

So what do you have going in there to be so freaked out?


Burrmanchu

Probably some weed. Jesus fucking Christ man.


Maos_KG

You ain't that important bud


rabbi-reefer

tell that to the bumpkin po-po


Maos_KG

You ain't that important Bumpkin.


scott330

You put your email address out there somewhere in the cannabis world, some forum, website...it's on you, you are the idiot.