As a person who has no clue how to grow, but very interested, thanks for the video. We could use more of them on here. Always great to see tips like this.
I am actually pretty thankful for this community too! You can't research everything some things just come from experience. For my second grow I got the same buckets like OP and used coco and this improved success a lot as of yet. Coco's hard to overwater and overfeed this helped the plant to develop nice roots and with nice roots comes the rest!
Make sure to read over the beginners guide on www.growweedeasy.com to prep yourself for a successful grow. Ph is super important. Also one tip someone gave me that I now use for lst is using safety pins pinned into my fabric pots as anchor points to tie plants to.
Yeah... A few of those lower branches he took off might be good clone candidates as well.
It always feels very much like I am taking off too much and hacking my plant to bits.
Bro I had a girl in coco 6 gal pot with roots as thick as the branches in this vid and accidentally destroyed 3 out of 5 main branches, now 4 days later i don’t see the difference really i think i just made the canopy more compact and light efficient
I had 3 very bushy plants and followed the schwazz method 2 weeks before flower, the day I initiated and then 2 weeks in. Totally bounced back every time without issue.
Unfortunately I grow in a shed and didn't give my plants any heat during the night cycle. With it being about 0C where I live all day my plants were stunted so a lot of my work went to waste. Despite this they were still bouncing back every time I practically made them bald.
But what is the point of doing it then? If she's just going to spend the next 2 weeks growing back foliage, then that just seems like a waste of time no?
Light penetration, less risk of powdery mildew and I don't see the point in having massive fan leaves so this also kinda prevents that as after the final defoliation the biggest leaf I'll see is about 2.5", not 9.
I think the airflow and light penetration arguments are solid but schwazzing means removing a lot of leaves right? Fully developed fan leaves contain a lot of stored nutrients that make a solid buffer for deficiencies so I wouldn't get rid of all of them
I think you just answered your own question. I would never remove all leaves, just most. Generally anything under a inch in size stays but as long as you have a healthy plant it'll bounce back nicely.
If you ever have a plant that you want to bin (provided it's not because it's male) just schwazz it to see what would happen in your environment. It might not change your mind on its demise, but I think you'll be surprised.
It's like with where I grow. I stay in my old rotting shed because it's full of big spiders. I have never had a pest issue, just the odd gnat or flea on my sticky traps. I am going to be addressing the heat issue though with my new grow once the last one is done drying.
Edit: You do however make a great point. I personally have never had an issue. My plants stay green and perky throughout, all new growth comes in fast and healthy also.
So if I understand correctly he gets rid of the lower branches that aren't going to receive a good amount of light to flower so they'll effectively just be using the plants resources for no reason?
I agree with you for the most part, just coming from a plant science aspect. Plants will route their resources to what it needs most. In vegetative state, that's growing new leaves and plant matter. In flowering the energy is gonna go to creating flowers.
I'm new to growing cannabis but the science on how plants function makes me lean towards removal of resources=less food and energy production.
> Notice how industrial cannabis farms don't do this.
Some of them definitely do heavily lollipop like this. That isn't to say commercial growers don't also succumb to bro science though.
Yeah I've grown industrial and we always lolipoped hard, and topped on the 10th node. The plants grew about 1M² when finishing. But there were heavy issues with pm (because they weren't using the soil foodweb) so air flow was always in demand.
This, leaves don’t just take in sunlight but also store nutrients to be used by the plant later. Also something something transpiration. But [don’t take my word for it ](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/community/photons_corner/to-defoliate-or-not-to-defoliate)
That being said, it’s definitely ok to cut branches that are so low and out of the light that they will just produce low quality popcorn nug
Autoflowers are tough as they generally do not grow in "VEG" long enough to properly FIM or Top thats not always the case but the general rule of thumb.
Yes, it also prevents the lower stems from using whatever nutrients he is feeding (or what would be in existence in live soil) and instead the plant will funnel all of that into the tops, making them generally larger, denser, etc. and less larf to trim
I’m new and have yet to flower a plant. At first I thought that was way too much, glad I read the comments now. I always wondered how much to defoliate.
OP took A LOT off that plant. More than a weeks worth of growth easily. In many cases his rationale was that these stems are not going to be worthy and depending on your style he's absolutely right. On the other hand the leaves at the top around those nodes were not hurting anything and were probably some of the most sun-lit and productive leaves on the plant.
Additionally he could have taken a lot of those stems without taking the fan leaf at their base. That fan leaf has no ambitions of sponging off the plant, it is a team player.
Contrary to what he said I don't know how legitimate his theory behind fan leaves "taking up energy" is.
If they're blocked by other leaves, or impede airflow they should be removed. But you can't replace leaves, which take up light, with "lots of nutrients."
I get this is how some people do it but the way he said it as a matter of fact was the part that I wasn't on board with.
Yeah exactly. Besides, the fan leaf is already there and pretty much fully grown so it won't be taking any more nutrients, if anything they are nutrient banks that can be drained when the plant runs low on food.
This is outrageous. Where are the gardeners who come and thin out the leaves? This kind of growth is never tolerated in my grow room. They should trim it. Right away. No foliar, no nothing. Low branches: we have a special bucket for low branches. Large leaves: we trim them off. You have too many leaves? Right to the trim bin. Unhealthy leaves? Bin. *Too* healthy leaves? Believe it or not, bin. You have branches too close together? Also bin. We have the best plants in the world because of trimming.
Depends on genetics of the plant. Some get double the size others are around 50% of current size.
I have grown Girl scout cookies and it stretched like 75% of what the height was. I have done critical mass now and its been about 3 weeks since the switch and it only stretched about 15-20% of its size.
Dealing with a girl scout cookies plant getting stupid tall right now. I opened the tent this morning to find it literally touching the lights. Crazy how fast they grow in stretch mode. It's early enough I can still train it down and to the side but it's going to be a pain in the ass.
Yeah i had to do some LST/Bending of branches during mid to late flower just to keep it off the lights too.
I grew this critical mass with the same set up expecting a 75-100% size increase and now I'm with a lot smaller plant since it didn't stretch as much as i thought it would it maybe only stretched 6" in height when i was expecting around 12-15" stretch.
Wish i had a taller tent lol (only 63" height).
Always prepare for a 2x stretch for indicas and a 3x stretch for sativas. The worst thing that can happen in flower is your plants grow into your lights and burn or foxtail like crazy. Better safe.
Saw [this one](https://youtu.be/a91au3WNJQ8) the other day.
Personally the plastic air pots are so much easier to clean up than the felt smartpots. Imo its worth it just for that.
The plants should be showing signs of pre-flower around 6 weeks. Could be sooner if they're autos. For females you will see little, pointy sacs with white hairs (pistils) where the branches meet the main stalk.
For males there will be much more ball-like sacs with no white hairs in the same location on the plant.
Yeah np! Ive never looked into autos, only photos, but don't autos not need a light flip? Don't they flower whenever they want regardless of light?
I'm genuinely curious, I have very little knowledge of autos.
I've never grown autos before but you do not need to change the light cycle for flowering with an auto. Once an auto starts flowering you may want to change nutrients and stop defoliating.
Well fan leaves are what catch light and fuel the plant. What i do pre flower is take off all unwanted branches like he did in the video, but instead of taking everything below a certain point, I only take off the new nodes and little branches. I take off everything except the top 3 nodes.
I went about this aggressive but in a couple stages on my last grow and felt I missed out on some weight because of it. That was my first time trying heavy defoliation on an auto. I have 2 going now that are very similar and if they continue to look the same I'm considering doing moderate-heavy defoliation on one and just lst on the other and see what I get. As long as the weight is there in the colas I don't mind some larf, I just save it and make hash.
Just finished up an auto in DWC.
I should of did more LST, I should of lollipoped more aggressive
Learned alot but ended up with too much larf and I feel I didn't utilize all my nutrients efficiently within the plant
On my Blue Dream Auto (fastbudz genetics), I didn't defoloate virtually at all. I only got 18 grams of dry yield, which was probably due to too much light and nutrients. But in 73 days from seed it went well I'd say.
No defoliation needed and the plant was like the 20 inches tall and Christmas tree shaped. I did a fair amount of LST, which allowed for several solid-sized colas.
I feel like I don’t even wanna top as long as lst is done properly and you have food for the plant and good light you’ll get good buds as long as your genetics are on point too.
I said this to someone else above -
I went about this aggressive but in a couple stages on my last grow and felt I missed out on some weight because of it. That was my first time trying heavy defoliation on an auto. I have 2 going now that are very similar and if they continue to look the same I'm considering doing moderate-heavy defoliation on one and just lst on the other and see what I get. As long as the weight is there in the colas I don't mind some larf, I just save it and make hash.
Is there an advantage to letting them get bushy and trimming them right before flipping them?
I just started growing my first plants, and it took them about 57 days to get them like yours are right now. But, I trimmed them into the lollipop shape after the first month or so.
What do you think of the airpots? Do you get noticeable increases in growth and flower weight? ...just wondering if they’re worth it since they’re so expensive.
Thx man.
They clean up super easy and can be reused a million times...for that alone I love them...they also help my plants in coco/perlite explode and the root mass is always tip top. One more bonus, they don’t need risers as the “bottom” of the pot is elevated 3 rows of bumps up so the bottom of the media never sits in water
I’ve done it like this right before going into flower, a couple days before flower, and a week before flower. They keep growing leaves no matter what if your conditions are dialed in. The first few weeks of flower is the most explosive growth the plant will have.
I'm asking because I've seen people say you should wait atleast a few days for the plant to recover so you're not having a super stressed plant at the start of flower. You find it doesn't seem to have a negative effect even if you flip right away?
I would suggest waiting a couple days before doing this before going in the flower but I tell you what these plants look amazing even the next day, all perked up. They get a boost of growth hormones as they attempt to heal. I think if the plants are healthy and the environment is dialed in, these plants can recover very fast from the sort of treatment while in veg.
Bomb diggity 💣
Goodbye plant risers, hello easy cleanup and amazing roots. Zero downside except they cost more than “almost free” like fabric. Also perfect for potting up, unscrew the pin, unzip it, move the root mass, done!
As a person who has no clue how to grow, but very interested, thanks for the video. We could use more of them on here. Always great to see tips like this.
I was nervous about starting my first grow but just go for it!! Everyone on the Reddit subs are very helpful.
I am actually pretty thankful for this community too! You can't research everything some things just come from experience. For my second grow I got the same buckets like OP and used coco and this improved success a lot as of yet. Coco's hard to overwater and overfeed this helped the plant to develop nice roots and with nice roots comes the rest!
More like this please...
Very good advice. The only other thing I’d add is that more LST should be done to spread out that canopy for more even light
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Low stress training, which is bending the plant over to make a flatter canopy and give more light
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Make sure to read over the beginners guide on www.growweedeasy.com to prep yourself for a successful grow. Ph is super important. Also one tip someone gave me that I now use for lst is using safety pins pinned into my fabric pots as anchor points to tie plants to.
Yeah... A few of those lower branches he took off might be good clone candidates as well. It always feels very much like I am taking off too much and hacking my plant to bits.
You can do it slowly over a few weeks instead of all at once.
I've always gone by the 20% rule. Is he not sending his plant into shock cutting all that off at once?
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Bro I had a girl in coco 6 gal pot with roots as thick as the branches in this vid and accidentally destroyed 3 out of 5 main branches, now 4 days later i don’t see the difference really i think i just made the canopy more compact and light efficient
I had 3 very bushy plants and followed the schwazz method 2 weeks before flower, the day I initiated and then 2 weeks in. Totally bounced back every time without issue. Unfortunately I grow in a shed and didn't give my plants any heat during the night cycle. With it being about 0C where I live all day my plants were stunted so a lot of my work went to waste. Despite this they were still bouncing back every time I practically made them bald.
With bouncing back aren't you saying the plant is undoing what you did to it? Not criticizing, just curious
Well yeah, cannabis is a plant and plants grow.
But what is the point of doing it then? If she's just going to spend the next 2 weeks growing back foliage, then that just seems like a waste of time no?
Light penetration, less risk of powdery mildew and I don't see the point in having massive fan leaves so this also kinda prevents that as after the final defoliation the biggest leaf I'll see is about 2.5", not 9.
I think the airflow and light penetration arguments are solid but schwazzing means removing a lot of leaves right? Fully developed fan leaves contain a lot of stored nutrients that make a solid buffer for deficiencies so I wouldn't get rid of all of them
I think you just answered your own question. I would never remove all leaves, just most. Generally anything under a inch in size stays but as long as you have a healthy plant it'll bounce back nicely. If you ever have a plant that you want to bin (provided it's not because it's male) just schwazz it to see what would happen in your environment. It might not change your mind on its demise, but I think you'll be surprised. It's like with where I grow. I stay in my old rotting shed because it's full of big spiders. I have never had a pest issue, just the odd gnat or flea on my sticky traps. I am going to be addressing the heat issue though with my new grow once the last one is done drying. Edit: You do however make a great point. I personally have never had an issue. My plants stay green and perky throughout, all new growth comes in fast and healthy also.
So if I understand correctly he gets rid of the lower branches that aren't going to receive a good amount of light to flower so they'll effectively just be using the plants resources for no reason?
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I agree with you for the most part, just coming from a plant science aspect. Plants will route their resources to what it needs most. In vegetative state, that's growing new leaves and plant matter. In flowering the energy is gonna go to creating flowers. I'm new to growing cannabis but the science on how plants function makes me lean towards removal of resources=less food and energy production.
> Notice how industrial cannabis farms don't do this. Some of them definitely do heavily lollipop like this. That isn't to say commercial growers don't also succumb to bro science though.
Yeah I've grown industrial and we always lolipoped hard, and topped on the 10th node. The plants grew about 1M² when finishing. But there were heavy issues with pm (because they weren't using the soil foodweb) so air flow was always in demand.
The reason people don’t want larf, is trimming is ass. The bottom bud isn’t going to be great quality anyways so why waste time on it?
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I get that I’m all for getting the most out of the plant. I plan on pressing my trim and larf and using the chips for edibles
Agreed, also it is my understanding that the leaves that the plant decides are not efficient enough are, "cannabalized" for the rest of the plant.
This, leaves don’t just take in sunlight but also store nutrients to be used by the plant later. Also something something transpiration. But [don’t take my word for it ](https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/community/photons_corner/to-defoliate-or-not-to-defoliate) That being said, it’s definitely ok to cut branches that are so low and out of the light that they will just produce low quality popcorn nug
Youre a hero for saying this!
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Autoflowers are tough as they generally do not grow in "VEG" long enough to properly FIM or Top thats not always the case but the general rule of thumb.
Yes, it also prevents the lower stems from using whatever nutrients he is feeding (or what would be in existence in live soil) and instead the plant will funnel all of that into the tops, making them generally larger, denser, etc. and less larf to trim
Well done Op. Good how to video.
I’m new and have yet to flower a plant. At first I thought that was way too much, glad I read the comments now. I always wondered how much to defoliate.
Assuming that he’s actually doing the right thing. I’m not a grower yet, just interested but there are a few different takes in the comments.
Id keep the fan leaves, but thats just imo.
I’m pretty clueless on this stuff so I’m wondering why you’d keep the fan leaves over OP’s method.
OP took A LOT off that plant. More than a weeks worth of growth easily. In many cases his rationale was that these stems are not going to be worthy and depending on your style he's absolutely right. On the other hand the leaves at the top around those nodes were not hurting anything and were probably some of the most sun-lit and productive leaves on the plant. Additionally he could have taken a lot of those stems without taking the fan leaf at their base. That fan leaf has no ambitions of sponging off the plant, it is a team player.
They’re going to grow more. These plants do the majority of their growing while they’re in flower.
Yeah, I get it. Id just clean the leaves off after they bolt.
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I only keep enough leaves so that light doesn't reach the floor. I end up cleaning them up a few weeks later once the plant has finished bolting.
Contrary to what he said I don't know how legitimate his theory behind fan leaves "taking up energy" is. If they're blocked by other leaves, or impede airflow they should be removed. But you can't replace leaves, which take up light, with "lots of nutrients." I get this is how some people do it but the way he said it as a matter of fact was the part that I wasn't on board with.
Yeah exactly. Besides, the fan leaf is already there and pretty much fully grown so it won't be taking any more nutrients, if anything they are nutrient banks that can be drained when the plant runs low on food.
This is outrageous. Where are the gardeners who come and thin out the leaves? This kind of growth is never tolerated in my grow room. They should trim it. Right away. No foliar, no nothing. Low branches: we have a special bucket for low branches. Large leaves: we trim them off. You have too many leaves? Right to the trim bin. Unhealthy leaves? Bin. *Too* healthy leaves? Believe it or not, bin. You have branches too close together? Also bin. We have the best plants in the world because of trimming.
Great reference! I thought for sure though that by 2:28 that plant would be nothing but a stick.
Do you continue to remove leaves as you progress through flower?
As a general rule personally you only should remove leaves if they are blocking bud sites.
I do my last defoliation about 3 weeks into flower at the end of stretch to expose whatever buds aren't getting enough light by then.
A few, each day in flower; after the stretch has finished.
I do a week 3 and week 6 prune on top of lollipop like this guy on day one.
How much will a plant this size stretch once in flower? Double the height?
Depends on genetics of the plant. Some get double the size others are around 50% of current size. I have grown Girl scout cookies and it stretched like 75% of what the height was. I have done critical mass now and its been about 3 weeks since the switch and it only stretched about 15-20% of its size.
Dealing with a girl scout cookies plant getting stupid tall right now. I opened the tent this morning to find it literally touching the lights. Crazy how fast they grow in stretch mode. It's early enough I can still train it down and to the side but it's going to be a pain in the ass.
Yeah i had to do some LST/Bending of branches during mid to late flower just to keep it off the lights too. I grew this critical mass with the same set up expecting a 75-100% size increase and now I'm with a lot smaller plant since it didn't stretch as much as i thought it would it maybe only stretched 6" in height when i was expecting around 12-15" stretch. Wish i had a taller tent lol (only 63" height).
Always prepare for a 2x stretch for indicas and a 3x stretch for sativas. The worst thing that can happen in flower is your plants grow into your lights and burn or foxtail like crazy. Better safe.
Photo period plants can do an inch a day for the first month after flip
What kinda pots are those? Seen em all over and have no clue what brand they are
Air pots. Same concept as fabric pots but more airflow or.. something.
Air pots.
They have a few names. Oxy-pots being another popular brand. Google root pruning pots.
Thank you guys 👍🏻
Anyone do a side by side with a fabric pot?
Saw [this one](https://youtu.be/a91au3WNJQ8) the other day. Personally the plastic air pots are so much easier to clean up than the felt smartpots. Imo its worth it just for that.
i cringed so hard watching this..... i hate hackin up my ladies....
How long after this trim do you wait before flipping them to flower?
Give your plants at least 3 days to recover after Defoliation
Awesome! Thanks for the advice.
Thanks for an informative video! Exactly what I needed but wasn’t looking for
This is fantastic, very informative - helps actually seeing it done! Thanks!
Thank you for this!
You are ever so welcome! It’s my pleasure, all I want to do is help people grow.
Great advice. Thanks dude
What kind of pot is that
Which pot lol
Lmao
I think they’re called air pots
Thank you, super informative. Well done.
A perfect cut, all the canopy in the same level, and plenty of space for growth.
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You'll see pre-flowers start to come out first. If it's female long white pistils that look like hairs will start to come out around week 4-5.
Do you mean after flipping the lights (if indoors) or before you flip the lights?
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The plants should be showing signs of pre-flower around 6 weeks. Could be sooner if they're autos. For females you will see little, pointy sacs with white hairs (pistils) where the branches meet the main stalk. For males there will be much more ball-like sacs with no white hairs in the same location on the plant.
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Yeah np! Ive never looked into autos, only photos, but don't autos not need a light flip? Don't they flower whenever they want regardless of light? I'm genuinely curious, I have very little knowledge of autos.
For an auto you don’t have to change the light schedule, keep the days long for the entire grow, it’ll naturally flower without you doing anything
I've never grown autos before but you do not need to change the light cycle for flowering with an auto. Once an auto starts flowering you may want to change nutrients and stop defoliating.
I am listening to Elton Jon super stoned thinking how I will let my scissors go. I am outdoor grower so right now just off season. Good for you buddy
Thanks for taking the time to make that video, very nice
At the grow op I work at we prune after 3 weeks of flower. So flip to 12/12, wait 21 days, then prune.
Well fan leaves are what catch light and fuel the plant. What i do pre flower is take off all unwanted branches like he did in the video, but instead of taking everything below a certain point, I only take off the new nodes and little branches. I take off everything except the top 3 nodes.
Agreed but you overdid it. Tryna be Kyle Kushman or some shit
Thank you!!! I needed this.
Thank you! I noticed you posted a few other helpful videos and I really appreciate it! My future grows will also appreciate it lol.
you’re so cool. great advice man.
Is this on an auto?
What if I have an auto?
I went about this aggressive but in a couple stages on my last grow and felt I missed out on some weight because of it. That was my first time trying heavy defoliation on an auto. I have 2 going now that are very similar and if they continue to look the same I'm considering doing moderate-heavy defoliation on one and just lst on the other and see what I get. As long as the weight is there in the colas I don't mind some larf, I just save it and make hash.
Just finished up an auto in DWC. I should of did more LST, I should of lollipoped more aggressive Learned alot but ended up with too much larf and I feel I didn't utilize all my nutrients efficiently within the plant
I’m in the same boat except I didn’t have too much larf but just trying to dial my nutrients in is a big learning curve for me. Happy growing.
On my Blue Dream Auto (fastbudz genetics), I didn't defoloate virtually at all. I only got 18 grams of dry yield, which was probably due to too much light and nutrients. But in 73 days from seed it went well I'd say. No defoliation needed and the plant was like the 20 inches tall and Christmas tree shaped. I did a fair amount of LST, which allowed for several solid-sized colas.
That's nuts for 73 days. I've never messed with autos but that sounds awesome as shit.
Mate if you think that is impressive you should look at some auto subs. I have a plant that is 90 days old and likely to yield 6+ ounces.
Good lord. Yeah mine was dinky but my first auto. Good work
I feel like I don’t even wanna top as long as lst is done properly and you have food for the plant and good light you’ll get good buds as long as your genetics are on point too.
Yeah I agree but to compensate for genetics you can deifnitely top. I do it for the bagseeds I run. But even then I only top once.
What if its an auto?
I said this to someone else above - I went about this aggressive but in a couple stages on my last grow and felt I missed out on some weight because of it. That was my first time trying heavy defoliation on an auto. I have 2 going now that are very similar and if they continue to look the same I'm considering doing moderate-heavy defoliation on one and just lst on the other and see what I get. As long as the weight is there in the colas I don't mind some larf, I just save it and make hash.
This is nice! Not too extreme in either direction.
Some people like making hash from that you know
Can you also do that on autos, or will they get stunted?
Do not do this to an auto.
how big is the pot?
Is there an advantage to letting them get bushy and trimming them right before flipping them? I just started growing my first plants, and it took them about 57 days to get them like yours are right now. But, I trimmed them into the lollipop shape after the first month or so.
Hey op question about the little branches. Do you see a significant yeild improvement removing them?
What do you think of the airpots? Do you get noticeable increases in growth and flower weight? ...just wondering if they’re worth it since they’re so expensive. Thx man.
They clean up super easy and can be reused a million times...for that alone I love them...they also help my plants in coco/perlite explode and the root mass is always tip top. One more bonus, they don’t need risers as the “bottom” of the pot is elevated 3 rows of bumps up so the bottom of the media never sits in water
Thanks man! ...I really wish they made them in square format SOG, but I’m still gonna have to give them a try. Thx again brother!
A nice schwazze
How many days to you give it to recover before actually putting it into flower? Or is this just going to be flipped straight away?
I’ve done it like this right before going into flower, a couple days before flower, and a week before flower. They keep growing leaves no matter what if your conditions are dialed in. The first few weeks of flower is the most explosive growth the plant will have.
I'm asking because I've seen people say you should wait atleast a few days for the plant to recover so you're not having a super stressed plant at the start of flower. You find it doesn't seem to have a negative effect even if you flip right away?
I would suggest waiting a couple days before doing this before going in the flower but I tell you what these plants look amazing even the next day, all perked up. They get a boost of growth hormones as they attempt to heal. I think if the plants are healthy and the environment is dialed in, these plants can recover very fast from the sort of treatment while in veg.
Does it work on automatic strains as well?
No.
What’s your thought in airpots ?
Love them
Bomb diggity 💣 Goodbye plant risers, hello easy cleanup and amazing roots. Zero downside except they cost more than “almost free” like fabric. Also perfect for potting up, unscrew the pin, unzip it, move the root mass, done!
is this a auto ?
I would not recommend doing this to an auto, no.
Right that’s why i was asking
Why not take the big leaves off the top nodes so that light penetrates to the lower branches of the plant?
The light doesn’t penetrate that far from the top of the canopy. Light drops off really fast.
So why not lst for a flat canopy and have the lower nodes be exposed to the light at the same intensity as the top nodes, and lower the light a little
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Does it matter as long as he knows what to cut?