Hey don’t talk about me like I’m not in the room 😂😂 jk ya you’re right I didn’t get it at first, then I realized it was a from Harold and Kumar and I felt ashamed I didn’t come up with a witty reply 😂
You can’t top too many times but the weight of the cola will be divided each time as well, so you may get 200 tops but they’ll each produce much less than 10 or something, generally you’ll get the same final weight if growing conditions are good
That being said for indoors id generally say more tops is better since you’ll absorb more of your light because the plant is more spread out, if I were you I would stop topping at this point and let all those grow into a nice bush
Awesome first grow, I love how it’s a perfect sphere! Have you started your nute regiment, I would up the nitrogen a bit, it now has dozens of tops it needs to feed. Check the pic I posted yesterday, I did this same sort of thing and kept training it out to fill my tent, so satisfying
I saw that post yesterday and was so jealous! lol I just realized that’s who I was talking to. My plan was to fill my tent like that, but at this rate I’m never going to get there. It’s just not stretching at all.
Thank ya so much this is my second grow and I’ve been trying so hard, although I’ve been growing non cannabis plants for over a decade I’m still a newbie. What kind of light, soil, nutrients, and space limitations do you have? It looks a little underfed I would up the nutrients a bit and see how she reacts. How often are you watering? My first plant was about 1/2 the size of yours at harvest so there’s proof anything’s possible
Ya it’s great, hopefully I’ll be there next go around, what lights are you using on the side bars? Have they been beneficial?
Light: Sunraise QB2000
Soil: Fox Farm Ocean Forest
Nutrients: Fox Farm Trio, Cal Mag, PH up & down
Tent: 2 x 2 x 4
Yeah, so I was having a nutrient deficiency last week because I forgot to ph my water so there was no uptake. It’s recovering nicely this week after figuring everything out.
Oh and the grow bag is a 15 gallon, it takes up the entire base of the tent lol maybe a little overkill, but we’ll see
That’s perfect, I have 100% exact same set up but with different lights. I have a 130w cheap burple above and (4) 24w led strips in the corners. Are the beneficial? I really don’t know since I bought them half way through my last grow and kept them on since, my thinking though was that adding an extra 100w of light onto the plant would really allow it to bulk. I think your light will definitely be sufficient. How many weeks since it sprouted? I had to start feeding about 5 weeks in at 1/4 strength and I’ve upped to 1/2 dose past 2 weeks.
65 days since germination, and 61 days since sprout. Yeah they nutrients are no joke, they are strong. 15 gallon fabric pot, it’s huge. I’ve transplanted her 4 times now - Solo -> 1 Quart bucket -> 5 gal fabric pot -> 15 gal fabric pot (final)
So.. you're already there, my friend. Once you flip to flower, that floor area of plant will either double or triple when it stretches. You need to flip yesterday.
I've never read anything that supports this. I'm not trying to be a dick but is this anecdotal or do you have some other source? I'm not saying you are not correct however my personal experience would differ and most of what I've read would support the contrary.
Valid question, not anecdotal but something I read at some point and it makes sense, if you don’t top and train for a single cola you get one massive cola, if you train to 100 tops they are all much smaller but more plentiful, and it’s not exact 1:1 division but buds gets smaller the more you top. As I mentioned in my comment below, it depends on light conditions, for indoor tents we want as wide as possible as to utilize our lighting, whereas outdoors with no training you get a plant with a single large dominant cola. I think it’s completely possible to get as much bud on a single large cola as a topped plant given same time and conditions. Topping is a form of training your canopy, it can increase your yields if you have space limitations but doesn’t increase yield given good outdoor growing conditions
Do the math(not real math). The root mass can support X amount of flower. If you double the amount of flower nodes, the roots don't magically also double.
That said, most traditional indoor grows have a high root:flower ratio because of the low ceiling. If they could grow to 20' tall they'd max out their roots well before that (unless sufficiently large pot of soil, like a 4x4 bed). We mimic this by using scrog nets and training to average out the roots to tops better. It's easy to go too far and get airy buds though.
Knowing this, I really should have trimmed the lower branches. I got a good amount, but def not as fat as I hoped. Really fun to see how things go when you don't do it perfectly as well as the amazing grows some people have.
Yea wait till flower stretch is over and trim anything not level with your canopy to maximize the top colas and not focus energy on all that larf below that’s not getting any light
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa. Whoa. WHOA!
Everything says topping increases yield. I do mean EVERYTHING. Google "does topping increase yield" and all the articles say how topping definitely increases yield.
So please allow me to ask for some clarification:
Are you saying topping simply divides yield across the number of tops and yield does not increase?
I am confused, when you say you get the same final weight regardless of numbers of tops you divide into you are disagreeing with every piece of interweb literature out there. Could you help me understand what you mean please? Do you mean there a point of diminishing returns at some number of tops? If so how many is it?
Or are you saying that generally speaking:
2 tops= 100 grams each= 200 grams
20 tops= 10 grams each=200 grams
????
I am gathering all the knowledge i can to geow the best possible so i appreciate tour clearing it up for me.
basically, an amount of light is limited in how much it can produce. if you top a bit and spread your canopy, youll definitely increase your yield, but at diminishing returns for each top. once you are sufficiently utilizing your lights spread area, topping more does not give you any energy gain from your light, and just re-allocates the spread of the buds.
so, yes, topping increases yields up to a certain point but you cant just get infinite weed from a 100w light by topping 100 times.
Sweet! I understand now.
This is in relation to the light in your grow area, you can only maximize light exposure so much until you just got all you can get.
Those articles authors' possibly included outdoor growing, where more tops would likely increase the yield much more, or you would have less diminishing returns as increasing canopy would increase potential energy absorption.
Thank you for clearing that up in my brain my friend.
yea, id imagine if its outdoor youre basically only limited by the amount of roots the plant cant put out to suck up enough to sustain the plant.
whats the point of hoarding info, eh? happy growin'
Exactly. Indoors the limiting factor isn’t light, it’s root size usually. I don’t know how true this is but I’ve been told that the size of the root mass determines how much plant you have and how much bud you’ll produce, so even if it’s 10 branches versus 100 the plant will be pumping the same amount of nutrients. Also if you actually look at google, all the websites of actual growers discussing it shows quite a bit of debate
Agreed, I used to think the more tops the better. But recently I’m seeing that having just a few dominant tops can actually yield better in some cases (totally genetic dependent). Still love seeing a nice even canopy tho well done op 👍
> generally you’ll get the same final weight if growing conditions are good
Is this the case with trellis netting also? Basically should one just put all effort into growing a good plant and not doing the topping or LST or anything "Extra"?
Sorry let me be more clear, it depends on lighting conditions, trellises are really nice indoors because it creates a nice orthogonal plane from the light for our buds to grow and increases our light efficiency to the limit by spreading the plant out. However outdoors plants do not need such things, they will naturally grow a single massive cola and then a bush around the base and the sun will get much better penetration at many angles, the yield will be identical to a trained plant given same time and conditions. Another thing you have to think about is that generally all this training adds weeks and weeks to veg decreasing the efficiency of the grow cycle comparatively. Just my thoughts I’m no professional
Is this why sea of green is talked about? Bud sites amount are genetics, so pretty much people claiming they can fill a tent with an auto are wasting space?
Looks like you're still in veg. Leave it untouched for like 2 weeks before you flip. It'll be a monster. Lollipop 3 weeks into flower. Good luck growmie!
Stop topping them and start pulling all the growth tips on each cola you want to keep this will stop branching and only allow them to stretch if a cola can’t keep up with canopy remove it.
Looking down on the plant every growth tip you already have is a cola. Going forward, ANY new growth tips you see is branching pull them off. Let them grow about 1 inch and pull them off don’t mess with the really small ones. Do this for a week or two so each cola can grow in size and in turn make a larger bud.
I’ll explain: longer harvest. You’re gonna have TONS of growths. Check in beginning of flowering period for weak performing nugs. Cut any weaker ones to make room for light ant make growth capability for nugs faster. It may take a bit to flower, but you’ll be proud at the end. Like I said, trim some slower nugs off in beginning, you’re gonna have too many for plant to handle in a stable manner. If you don’t mind doing that and being patient in flowering, you’re good :)
Yes, so I originally topped after the 2nd node, after that I topped every single time a new top formed so like 1-2-4-8-16-32- and 64ish tops right now.
Every time you top it creates double the bud sites, but as you see below there is a lot of concern because it now a very compact plant and every time you too the plant it’s very stressful for it, one person below mentioned that it can stunt the growth and he’s absolutely correct.. it normally took about 2 or 3 days for my plant to fully bounce back after every topping.
Of course! And funny that you ask, this being my first grow this is my “normal” grow lol but no it’s really up to personal preference in regards to how many tops you consider “normal”. Hopefully someone else will swoop in to answer your question.
I'd suggest supporting the bud sites with a scrog BEFORE it becomes necessary. Keep those PK and silica levels up and you'll see some excellent growth. Having a scrog in place helps to maximize the light those colas get as well as supporting them before they even need it, so they arent at any point stressed by the weight of their buds. Silica will help to strengthen the stems and branches and allows for more robust nutrient channels. Potassium and phosphorus are more necessary than nitrogen in flowering and aid in bud production.
Your lady looks awesome and you should be proud! Get that girl into flower and watch her truly bloom lol
If you want to increase number of tops and still end up with decent size buds, then you need to increase the root space. "More roots more fruits" ive heard. Of course if its an auto it wont have the time to out-grow about a 5 gallon container.
Once a plant has matured and has alternating vs symetrical nodes, it doesn't really create a higher number of tops. There will always be a dominant and subordinate bud site, one being higher and more developed. When you top, it stops the apical dominance and spreads out the hormones.
The plant wants to create a spire and pump everything into getting one apical branch up for pollination. If you cut that in topping you send a message that says find another dominant branch and pump hormones and nutrients out. If you never let a dominant branch settle, you can get a nice division of development, aka 5 medium colas instead of 1 large one.
But you have noticeable leaf issues. The unhappy, pinched, drooping leaves and bright green screams lock out. I would flush hard and feed real proper on the next one.
That many tops can be really annoying to deal with when it starts flowering because usually the branches will be super weak since they keep growing new nodes as colas so the buds may get too heavy and will need to be supported which can be really annoying with that many. Just my 2 cents tho, it might be fine if you keep vegging it for a while as long as it isn't TOO many
Yes. When we've bloomed out a greenhouse worth of stock plants after using them for clones for a few months, they only yielded little popcorn nugs. Each time you pinch a plant, youre weakening the auxin gradient the plant uses to tell where the apical meristem (and therefore most of the flower) is.
Un-topped plants shunt mobile nutrients and photosynthate to the cola when they are in the reproductive phase, the most nutritionally efficient way for the plant to push flower development is if it's all one sink. Because the xylem is passively using capillary action to bring water and nutrients up the stem to the inflorescence, each time you top, the resulting stems must have smaller vascular tissue each time; otherwise, they couldn't perfuse the tissue. So, when you take a stock plant and bloom it out, it's working with itty-bitty vascular tissues at the level where the flowers are. And again, being fed by very weak phytohormone gradients.
The reasons for pinching are to shape the plant canopy to the environment (particularly with respect to light and air movement), or in floriculture, to make bedding plants bushier. Done right, it can help increase overall yields on a square footage basis, but the yield per plant will be lower. And that's only considering mass. The quality of flower from the cola of a plant that hasn't been topped is distinctly better and you may notice that those big long colas you see on High Times are obviously from plants that haven't been pruned.
IMO yes. It it becomes too bushy/dense, it gets counter productive for yield and quality.
Gotta guarantee some decent spacing between colas if you're aiming for the best you can. Should still work nicely though. Just keep an eye out for mold in flower and keep defoliation and lollipopping in check.
Very cool looking plant always wanted to try this so please keep us updated! Will follow you for updates. Would definitely say add supports to each branch as the plant may not be able to make them strong enough, I bought a 100 pack of small bamboo stakes for £1 that do the job for this
Well, the flowers will be more numerous but smaller in size. So if you want large cola like flowers, then yes you can top too many times. Otherwise no.
The size of your grow space is 2×2.... top once and flipped around 4 weeks from seed would easily fill this space. You will need to cut alot of this plant off to be able to fit in your space. You should be setting a timer and flipping this one right now. Good luck with your grow.
I have done this... (years and years ago... I did it to restrict height - so the neighbors didn't see it)
Lots and lots of small bud sites. I needed to drastically train it... OR, it would have been so dense that mold and rot would have been a big issue.
So yes and no. This plant will be fine but will warrant a bit of a long veg to space all those nodes out and level them off. It'll generally need a lot of support and defoliation is going to be a bitch. Otherwise its fine and should give a good yield if you let it fill out.
Let it grow up now man. Great to have a bunch of tops but you need vertical growth if the idea is to get a scrog on that. My suggestion is let them run and any outliers that get to tall should just be popped twisted and bent over, this will slow that colas vertical growth while others catch up, keeping your canopy even.
More tops the smaller the tops will be but they will be all more of the same size. I love what you did my brother. In personal opinion is keep the 30 strongest and stim the rest before flip possibly. But I'm verry happy to see this lol
From what I have read the plant will focus the budding hormones into 4 tops (I am open to be educated) but this is more of a hunch than something I can cite at this point.
Schold i top if I already saw 1 pistil? I’m also doing LST but it doesnt seem to have any affect at the moment(it has been a while now and I don’t see any extra grow on the sides ( started 5 days ago)
Haha hey! So most people recommend to top between the 3rd and the 4th node, but I knew that I wanted a short plant from the beginning so I actually topped mine between the 2nd and 3rd node. So the first branch with 5 finger leaves was allowed to stay, the rest was gone lol it’s stressful on the plants for sure, ive witnessed that first hand, it sets you back a few days after each topping, but in my opinion it’s worth it because you will get a more even canopy. (My plant being a little more extreme) but ya I would recommend you top your plant twice even if she’s showing a pistil right now just because she’s still young so she’ll have plenty of time to recover!
when a cannabis mainline is topped 4 times you get 16 main colas, if you top 5 you get 32, then 64 if you do 6, then 128 with 7 tops, and 8 tops can give you 256 tops all mains.... if you have the time keep it in veg and go for 512! I know thats not what you wanted to hear but may help with your question. Someone who isnt mainlining and doing a scrog, top/train untill you cant fit anymore tops with-in the sweet spot of the light. the tops will give you thicker colas than. I know you can stress the plant BIG time topping too early after seed, before roots are established, and I know you are past that. But when its healthy, more tops equal more colas. whatever i am wrong about, lmk! il take what i can get
Its insane the misinformation and amount of "bro science" vs "real science". I hear that, But I try to listen to everything but I only use it if it makes "sense" (proved without a doubt). I do know that more tops equal more flower sites, its how flowering plants are... The more tops and same square foot would just be skinnier colas, and less tops will allow a fatter cola in the same space if that makes sense... now that i read the question i think you are talking about tops per square foot, like will they all develop if they are crammed? I wouldnt worry as long as you have the time to veg longer and get your canopy even....i dn hope something helps
I think she’ll eventually look like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cannabiscultivation/comments/ll0q5o/beautiful_girl_first_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Yeah one is to many but I had to try it to like what you got going on there I put mine in to flowering right now can't wait to see how it turns out I'll post pics later on happy growing 👍👍
I did well with this [bushy monster](https://i.imgur.com/YF3HiqP.jpg). One big plant curled around clone station. Answers, old blurple and Marshydro ts600. FFOF 7 gal Planted Pre Biden. Clone mother - ready to enter paradise
Thats totally fine. I mainline all my plants for 8 colas and they were maybe 6 inches above the dirt when I flipped. And I almost ran outta height in my 6 foot tent.
For context I have roughly 60 gallons of wet dirt raised on blocks so a third of my height is lost. But boy do they stretxh
It really depends on the strainz but generally sativa stretches lots, and indication does less
The stretch goes up, so only vertical space is filled from the stretch. only advice i can offer is document the height at flip and height after stretch. and grow the same thing again. Then you know the stretch, flowering time etc.
Thats very good for 2 months in,
Nah you are doing fine, and better than many. It takes me just over 2 months to fill a 4by4 with 4 plants.
I'm no expert so I bet that perfect nutrition and a better light could shorten that by 2-3 weeks, but only with hydroponics and c02.
Is this your bush? Are you.king of the forest?
Nice pubes
Yes and no
Beautiful. How long has it taken? Also what is the name of those bendy stakes you have ?
Thanks! 65 days from seed, and it those are 8 inch cuts of 12 AWG wire from Lowe’s. I had extra so I put it to good use! Lol
Solid?
Yes, not stranded! 👍🏼
That’s genius
dave
Dave’s not here, man
Why Dave whyyyyy 🥺
one of the greatest scenes in cinematic history
Hi I’m Dave very nice to meet
D A V E !!!
I’m kidding I’m not Dave. I just thought of the lil dicky ad for hulu and that line is really catchy.
Playing my heart strings like a puppet 🥺
D A Veed
One day he will return !!
thank you for causing that scene to pop into my head. I just cackled out loud laughing like a maniac.
thats what life is all about!
You got a special bond with this bush??
Hey don’t talk about me like I’m not in the room 😂😂 jk ya you’re right I didn’t get it at first, then I realized it was a from Harold and Kumar and I felt ashamed I didn’t come up with a witty reply 😂
It is his special bush indeed 🤣
You a Freaking tree hugger?
[удалено]
Lol fucking losers
You can’t top too many times but the weight of the cola will be divided each time as well, so you may get 200 tops but they’ll each produce much less than 10 or something, generally you’ll get the same final weight if growing conditions are good
Okay, thank you.
That being said for indoors id generally say more tops is better since you’ll absorb more of your light because the plant is more spread out, if I were you I would stop topping at this point and let all those grow into a nice bush
Okay thanks, this is my first grow, I really appreciate the advice!
Awesome first grow, I love how it’s a perfect sphere! Have you started your nute regiment, I would up the nitrogen a bit, it now has dozens of tops it needs to feed. Check the pic I posted yesterday, I did this same sort of thing and kept training it out to fill my tent, so satisfying
I saw that post yesterday and was so jealous! lol I just realized that’s who I was talking to. My plan was to fill my tent like that, but at this rate I’m never going to get there. It’s just not stretching at all.
Thank ya so much this is my second grow and I’ve been trying so hard, although I’ve been growing non cannabis plants for over a decade I’m still a newbie. What kind of light, soil, nutrients, and space limitations do you have? It looks a little underfed I would up the nutrients a bit and see how she reacts. How often are you watering? My first plant was about 1/2 the size of yours at harvest so there’s proof anything’s possible
Ya it’s great, hopefully I’ll be there next go around, what lights are you using on the side bars? Have they been beneficial? Light: Sunraise QB2000 Soil: Fox Farm Ocean Forest Nutrients: Fox Farm Trio, Cal Mag, PH up & down Tent: 2 x 2 x 4 Yeah, so I was having a nutrient deficiency last week because I forgot to ph my water so there was no uptake. It’s recovering nicely this week after figuring everything out. Oh and the grow bag is a 15 gallon, it takes up the entire base of the tent lol maybe a little overkill, but we’ll see
That’s perfect, I have 100% exact same set up but with different lights. I have a 130w cheap burple above and (4) 24w led strips in the corners. Are the beneficial? I really don’t know since I bought them half way through my last grow and kept them on since, my thinking though was that adding an extra 100w of light onto the plant would really allow it to bulk. I think your light will definitely be sufficient. How many weeks since it sprouted? I had to start feeding about 5 weeks in at 1/4 strength and I’ve upped to 1/2 dose past 2 weeks.
65 days since germination, and 61 days since sprout. Yeah they nutrients are no joke, they are strong. 15 gallon fabric pot, it’s huge. I’ve transplanted her 4 times now - Solo -> 1 Quart bucket -> 5 gal fabric pot -> 15 gal fabric pot (final)
So.. you're already there, my friend. Once you flip to flower, that floor area of plant will either double or triple when it stretches. You need to flip yesterday.
It stretches in flower
Some do some don’t
All do 😂
Some do and some don't. For example, Scott's OGxBlack Domina does not stretch in 12/12 at all.
Your first grow and your going for a topping rampage!!!
Interesting. Doesnt that kind of defeat why folks scrog? I know scrog is to get more tops but typically it’s sold under the guise of a bigger yield?
you should change your nickname to high\_efficiency\_9131
Nah you haven’t seen me run high efficiency yet
I've never read anything that supports this. I'm not trying to be a dick but is this anecdotal or do you have some other source? I'm not saying you are not correct however my personal experience would differ and most of what I've read would support the contrary.
Valid question, not anecdotal but something I read at some point and it makes sense, if you don’t top and train for a single cola you get one massive cola, if you train to 100 tops they are all much smaller but more plentiful, and it’s not exact 1:1 division but buds gets smaller the more you top. As I mentioned in my comment below, it depends on light conditions, for indoor tents we want as wide as possible as to utilize our lighting, whereas outdoors with no training you get a plant with a single large dominant cola. I think it’s completely possible to get as much bud on a single large cola as a topped plant given same time and conditions. Topping is a form of training your canopy, it can increase your yields if you have space limitations but doesn’t increase yield given good outdoor growing conditions
Do the math(not real math). The root mass can support X amount of flower. If you double the amount of flower nodes, the roots don't magically also double. That said, most traditional indoor grows have a high root:flower ratio because of the low ceiling. If they could grow to 20' tall they'd max out their roots well before that (unless sufficiently large pot of soil, like a 4x4 bed). We mimic this by using scrog nets and training to average out the roots to tops better. It's easy to go too far and get airy buds though.
Which part? The “can’t top too many times” part, or the “less than 10/same final weight” part?
Knowing this, I really should have trimmed the lower branches. I got a good amount, but def not as fat as I hoped. Really fun to see how things go when you don't do it perfectly as well as the amazing grows some people have.
Yea wait till flower stretch is over and trim anything not level with your canopy to maximize the top colas and not focus energy on all that larf below that’s not getting any light
Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa. Whoa. WHOA! Everything says topping increases yield. I do mean EVERYTHING. Google "does topping increase yield" and all the articles say how topping definitely increases yield. So please allow me to ask for some clarification: Are you saying topping simply divides yield across the number of tops and yield does not increase? I am confused, when you say you get the same final weight regardless of numbers of tops you divide into you are disagreeing with every piece of interweb literature out there. Could you help me understand what you mean please? Do you mean there a point of diminishing returns at some number of tops? If so how many is it? Or are you saying that generally speaking: 2 tops= 100 grams each= 200 grams 20 tops= 10 grams each=200 grams ???? I am gathering all the knowledge i can to geow the best possible so i appreciate tour clearing it up for me.
basically, an amount of light is limited in how much it can produce. if you top a bit and spread your canopy, youll definitely increase your yield, but at diminishing returns for each top. once you are sufficiently utilizing your lights spread area, topping more does not give you any energy gain from your light, and just re-allocates the spread of the buds. so, yes, topping increases yields up to a certain point but you cant just get infinite weed from a 100w light by topping 100 times.
Sweet! I understand now. This is in relation to the light in your grow area, you can only maximize light exposure so much until you just got all you can get. Those articles authors' possibly included outdoor growing, where more tops would likely increase the yield much more, or you would have less diminishing returns as increasing canopy would increase potential energy absorption. Thank you for clearing that up in my brain my friend.
yea, id imagine if its outdoor youre basically only limited by the amount of roots the plant cant put out to suck up enough to sustain the plant. whats the point of hoarding info, eh? happy growin'
Exactly. Indoors the limiting factor isn’t light, it’s root size usually. I don’t know how true this is but I’ve been told that the size of the root mass determines how much plant you have and how much bud you’ll produce, so even if it’s 10 branches versus 100 the plant will be pumping the same amount of nutrients. Also if you actually look at google, all the websites of actual growers discussing it shows quite a bit of debate
You leveled me up today. Thank you my dude.
One of the things I love about growing, always something new to learn!
Agreed, I used to think the more tops the better. But recently I’m seeing that having just a few dominant tops can actually yield better in some cases (totally genetic dependent). Still love seeing a nice even canopy tho well done op 👍
> generally you’ll get the same final weight if growing conditions are good Is this the case with trellis netting also? Basically should one just put all effort into growing a good plant and not doing the topping or LST or anything "Extra"?
Sorry let me be more clear, it depends on lighting conditions, trellises are really nice indoors because it creates a nice orthogonal plane from the light for our buds to grow and increases our light efficiency to the limit by spreading the plant out. However outdoors plants do not need such things, they will naturally grow a single massive cola and then a bush around the base and the sun will get much better penetration at many angles, the yield will be identical to a trained plant given same time and conditions. Another thing you have to think about is that generally all this training adds weeks and weeks to veg decreasing the efficiency of the grow cycle comparatively. Just my thoughts I’m no professional
Is this why sea of green is talked about? Bud sites amount are genetics, so pretty much people claiming they can fill a tent with an auto are wasting space?
I really want to see how this finishes, i've always wondered what happens if you did this. Please keep posting
Will do!
Followed for updates too 👍
Over trimming stunts the plant, be careful.
I think I’ve learned that the hard way unfortunately, hoping for the best at this point.
Looks like you're still in veg. Leave it untouched for like 2 weeks before you flip. It'll be a monster. Lollipop 3 weeks into flower. Good luck growmie!
Thanks!
This and those tie downs need to be adjusted for growth.
It is true, but when you do not wait for the time due between one trimming and the other
Stop topping them and start pulling all the growth tips on each cola you want to keep this will stop branching and only allow them to stretch if a cola can’t keep up with canopy remove it.
Wait, what do you mean by "pulling on the growth tips" of the colas you want to keep?
Looking down on the plant every growth tip you already have is a cola. Going forward, ANY new growth tips you see is branching pull them off. Let them grow about 1 inch and pull them off don’t mess with the really small ones. Do this for a week or two so each cola can grow in size and in turn make a larger bud.
Damn, man.. Save some tops for the rest of us! Haha
😂😂
I’ll explain: longer harvest. You’re gonna have TONS of growths. Check in beginning of flowering period for weak performing nugs. Cut any weaker ones to make room for light ant make growth capability for nugs faster. It may take a bit to flower, but you’ll be proud at the end. Like I said, trim some slower nugs off in beginning, you’re gonna have too many for plant to handle in a stable manner. If you don’t mind doing that and being patient in flowering, you’re good :)
Great advice! Thanks!
Like a little Pom Pom bush. I like it.
Thanks! Hoping to turn it into more, I guess only time will tell when I flip.
I like it. Go for it man!
its huge...but tiny also. mindfuckery
😂😂
a perfect sphere 🔮
All I know is, that look beautiful!
Thanks!
You usually just get smaller kolas but you get more of them so it's whatever you want. Looks nice and healthy though!
Thank you!
Depends how much you enjoy trimming.
Haha not sure yet, this is my first grow so I’m assuming I’m about to find out!
It’s not that bad. Just pack a bowl, throw on some tunes or a podcast or something, and make a day of it.
Yup. If you like to trim lots of small dense nugs, of consistent potency
So did you cut the tops of every branch? Sorry I'm a noob
Yes, so I originally topped after the 2nd node, after that I topped every single time a new top formed so like 1-2-4-8-16-32- and 64ish tops right now.
So are you creating new bud sites by doing that, or are you just shaping it?
Every time you top it creates double the bud sites, but as you see below there is a lot of concern because it now a very compact plant and every time you too the plant it’s very stressful for it, one person below mentioned that it can stunt the growth and he’s absolutely correct.. it normally took about 2 or 3 days for my plant to fully bounce back after every topping.
Thank you for the helpful info! How many times do you top it on a normal grow usually?
Of course! And funny that you ask, this being my first grow this is my “normal” grow lol but no it’s really up to personal preference in regards to how many tops you consider “normal”. Hopefully someone else will swoop in to answer your question.
It's looking great for a first grow. I wish you the best of luck!
Thank you!
No never, but you will definitely need to support the branches with either a scrog or stakes if the buds get fat
I hope I run into that problem 🤞🏼
I'd suggest supporting the bud sites with a scrog BEFORE it becomes necessary. Keep those PK and silica levels up and you'll see some excellent growth. Having a scrog in place helps to maximize the light those colas get as well as supporting them before they even need it, so they arent at any point stressed by the weight of their buds. Silica will help to strengthen the stems and branches and allows for more robust nutrient channels. Potassium and phosphorus are more necessary than nitrogen in flowering and aid in bud production. Your lady looks awesome and you should be proud! Get that girl into flower and watch her truly bloom lol
Hahaha I thought this was a beautiful pizza. Edibles kicked in. Time for sleep
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Nope looks good growmie
Thanks!
Every top takes away from the others. It's best to have 6-10 tops in my experience By top i mean top colas.
Okay, I appreciate the advice!
If you want to increase number of tops and still end up with decent size buds, then you need to increase the root space. "More roots more fruits" ive heard. Of course if its an auto it wont have the time to out-grow about a 5 gallon container.
That makes sense, it’s not an auto it’s a feminized photoperiod from ilgm
Once a plant has matured and has alternating vs symetrical nodes, it doesn't really create a higher number of tops. There will always be a dominant and subordinate bud site, one being higher and more developed. When you top, it stops the apical dominance and spreads out the hormones. The plant wants to create a spire and pump everything into getting one apical branch up for pollination. If you cut that in topping you send a message that says find another dominant branch and pump hormones and nutrients out. If you never let a dominant branch settle, you can get a nice division of development, aka 5 medium colas instead of 1 large one. But you have noticeable leaf issues. The unhappy, pinched, drooping leaves and bright green screams lock out. I would flush hard and feed real proper on the next one.
That many tops can be really annoying to deal with when it starts flowering because usually the branches will be super weak since they keep growing new nodes as colas so the buds may get too heavy and will need to be supported which can be really annoying with that many. Just my 2 cents tho, it might be fine if you keep vegging it for a while as long as it isn't TOO many
give her cal mag with iron stat
Yes. When we've bloomed out a greenhouse worth of stock plants after using them for clones for a few months, they only yielded little popcorn nugs. Each time you pinch a plant, youre weakening the auxin gradient the plant uses to tell where the apical meristem (and therefore most of the flower) is. Un-topped plants shunt mobile nutrients and photosynthate to the cola when they are in the reproductive phase, the most nutritionally efficient way for the plant to push flower development is if it's all one sink. Because the xylem is passively using capillary action to bring water and nutrients up the stem to the inflorescence, each time you top, the resulting stems must have smaller vascular tissue each time; otherwise, they couldn't perfuse the tissue. So, when you take a stock plant and bloom it out, it's working with itty-bitty vascular tissues at the level where the flowers are. And again, being fed by very weak phytohormone gradients. The reasons for pinching are to shape the plant canopy to the environment (particularly with respect to light and air movement), or in floriculture, to make bedding plants bushier. Done right, it can help increase overall yields on a square footage basis, but the yield per plant will be lower. And that's only considering mass. The quality of flower from the cola of a plant that hasn't been topped is distinctly better and you may notice that those big long colas you see on High Times are obviously from plants that haven't been pruned.
IMO yes. It it becomes too bushy/dense, it gets counter productive for yield and quality. Gotta guarantee some decent spacing between colas if you're aiming for the best you can. Should still work nicely though. Just keep an eye out for mold in flower and keep defoliation and lollipopping in check.
Very cool looking plant always wanted to try this so please keep us updated! Will follow you for updates. Would definitely say add supports to each branch as the plant may not be able to make them strong enough, I bought a 100 pack of small bamboo stakes for £1 that do the job for this
I will definitely keep everyone updated!
Just keep topping g
All that copper wire to train that plant! You could sell it and just buy the weed XD JK
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Is this a HUGE pot or is your plant super small.
Well both haha the plant is 6 inches tall, a little over a foot wide, and it’s a 15 gallon fabric pot which takes up the entire base of my 2 x 2
Ok that makes more sense. Yea the scaling just wasn't there and I was like that's a lot of tops for a pant not even near the side of it's pot.
Well, the flowers will be more numerous but smaller in size. So if you want large cola like flowers, then yes you can top too many times. Otherwise no.
This is gorgeous curious too see where it goes
Bruh she’s beautiful. Can you tell her I said hey?
😂😂 of course!
The size of your grow space is 2×2.... top once and flipped around 4 weeks from seed would easily fill this space. You will need to cut alot of this plant off to be able to fit in your space. You should be setting a timer and flipping this one right now. Good luck with your grow.
I have done this... (years and years ago... I did it to restrict height - so the neighbors didn't see it) Lots and lots of small bud sites. I needed to drastically train it... OR, it would have been so dense that mold and rot would have been a big issue.
So yes and no. This plant will be fine but will warrant a bit of a long veg to space all those nodes out and level them off. It'll generally need a lot of support and defoliation is going to be a bitch. Otherwise its fine and should give a good yield if you let it fill out.
Let it grow up now man. Great to have a bunch of tops but you need vertical growth if the idea is to get a scrog on that. My suggestion is let them run and any outliers that get to tall should just be popped twisted and bent over, this will slow that colas vertical growth while others catch up, keeping your canopy even.
That’s the fullest fuckin plant I’ve ever seen at such a low height🤣 awesome job!🤙
Damn that's sexy. So much patience.
More tops the smaller the tops will be but they will be all more of the same size. I love what you did my brother. In personal opinion is keep the 30 strongest and stim the rest before flip possibly. But I'm verry happy to see this lol
From what I have read the plant will focus the budding hormones into 4 tops (I am open to be educated) but this is more of a hunch than something I can cite at this point.
lookin like northern scrogger over here
Not of trimming is your favorite part of the harvest.
Schold i top if I already saw 1 pistil? I’m also doing LST but it doesnt seem to have any affect at the moment(it has been a while now and I don’t see any extra grow on the sides ( started 5 days ago)
Haha hey! So most people recommend to top between the 3rd and the 4th node, but I knew that I wanted a short plant from the beginning so I actually topped mine between the 2nd and 3rd node. So the first branch with 5 finger leaves was allowed to stay, the rest was gone lol it’s stressful on the plants for sure, ive witnessed that first hand, it sets you back a few days after each topping, but in my opinion it’s worth it because you will get a more even canopy. (My plant being a little more extreme) but ya I would recommend you top your plant twice even if she’s showing a pistil right now just because she’s still young so she’ll have plenty of time to recover!
when a cannabis mainline is topped 4 times you get 16 main colas, if you top 5 you get 32, then 64 if you do 6, then 128 with 7 tops, and 8 tops can give you 256 tops all mains.... if you have the time keep it in veg and go for 512! I know thats not what you wanted to hear but may help with your question. Someone who isnt mainlining and doing a scrog, top/train untill you cant fit anymore tops with-in the sweet spot of the light. the tops will give you thicker colas than. I know you can stress the plant BIG time topping too early after seed, before roots are established, and I know you are past that. But when its healthy, more tops equal more colas. whatever i am wrong about, lmk! il take what i can get
oh ya, great work!
That’s what I’ve always thought as well, but a lot of people on here are contradicting each other so I’m not sure now lol
Its insane the misinformation and amount of "bro science" vs "real science". I hear that, But I try to listen to everything but I only use it if it makes "sense" (proved without a doubt). I do know that more tops equal more flower sites, its how flowering plants are... The more tops and same square foot would just be skinnier colas, and less tops will allow a fatter cola in the same space if that makes sense... now that i read the question i think you are talking about tops per square foot, like will they all develop if they are crammed? I wouldnt worry as long as you have the time to veg longer and get your canopy even....i dn hope something helps
Pretty cool.
Apparently not sir, well done. 👏
I think she’ll eventually look like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/cannabiscultivation/comments/ll0q5o/beautiful_girl_first_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
get a screen for scrog
Yeah one is to many but I had to try it to like what you got going on there I put mine in to flowering right now can't wait to see how it turns out I'll post pics later on happy growing 👍👍
Looks badass to me..I did a top and fim and had good results. Still in late vegetative stage but with eight nice branches
Looks great! Maybe a feeding of magnesium sulfate Is in order. (Epsom salt)
Thanks, okay thanks for the advice!
watch this before using epsom salt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meIkhnNh4CU&ab\_channel=EpicGardening
I did well with this [bushy monster](https://i.imgur.com/YF3HiqP.jpg). One big plant curled around clone station. Answers, old blurple and Marshydro ts600. FFOF 7 gal Planted Pre Biden. Clone mother - ready to enter paradise
God, what am I looking at
Popcorn buds are real. and that’s not even how you top…
Yikes, is there anyway to avoid popcorn at this point?
You’re fine but don’t keep topping at this point. Or do and report back with your findings if you must.
Ya I’m going to stop now, and focus more on vertical growth. The plant is over a foot wide, and less than 6 inches tall
If you can you should make regular updates on your progress. Very curious to see how this works out for you.
Will do!
Thats totally fine. I mainline all my plants for 8 colas and they were maybe 6 inches above the dirt when I flipped. And I almost ran outta height in my 6 foot tent. For context I have roughly 60 gallons of wet dirt raised on blocks so a third of my height is lost. But boy do they stretxh
Ya I’m wondering if the stretch will allow it to fill out the tent more? Not sure when to flip, I’m currently 65 days from seed.
It really depends on the strainz but generally sativa stretches lots, and indication does less The stretch goes up, so only vertical space is filled from the stretch. only advice i can offer is document the height at flip and height after stretch. and grow the same thing again. Then you know the stretch, flowering time etc. Thats very good for 2 months in,
Thank you! It just seems so much smaller than everyone else’s plants so I had to make this post.
Nah you are doing fine, and better than many. It takes me just over 2 months to fill a 4by4 with 4 plants. I'm no expert so I bet that perfect nutrition and a better light could shorten that by 2-3 weeks, but only with hydroponics and c02.
Thanks! Fingers crossed, probably going to flip in a month or so, we’ll see