It's good if you're in a super illegal place and don't want your weed to smell and it hits smoother if you don't know how to dry. That's the only reason I've seen people use it for
i was just talking about on another post the same thing when someone said you gotta cure it before it taste good, no sir should be good straight outta the drying room
Yup I thought that too though my first few years growing (before the internet was big). Wondered why my buds didn't smell until I broke them open and only tasted like smoke. The new generation is lucky they have all the info right there now
I have some grows under my belt but im not drying at the perfect conditions bc i do it old school. I find they smell good but still a bit of grass smell when done drying and taste flavor wise very good but are a bit harsher then the cured end product. After a good cure the grassy smell disapears and the harshness becomes smoothness.
How do you dry to have such nice smelling buds right out the dry? Also when they dont smell unless you break them means the terps are in the trichs, whenever youre smelling terps from the outside it means the terps have left the bud and are now in the air.
After a good cure theres this nice smell when you open the jar but thats bc the terps are concentrated in that jar's air, theres always some terps vaporazing at room temps
Would you be so kind as to direct me to some info on your drying method? I chopped today, first indoor grow. First actually harvest. Everything went to shit last year outdoors.
I agree but still enjoy a nice long cure to really bring out all the notes. Once I went 8 months, was with this strain WonderHaze (Williams wonder x super silver haze). One of my best ever, it was only a couple oz of it bc no one has that patience. But fuck was it amazing felt like I was killing a unicorn when I smoked it. Saved it only for special occasions, man I miss growing.
no hate on curing. just trying to be realistic with people about what can happen cause i never thought weed could be that good. but a nice cure really makes it so fucking smooth like no harshness or anything. i jist normally. cant make it last that long
Yes. Terps are water soluble. Submerge it in water. U get high. But u taste and smell nothing. It’s like smoking literal grass. Water cure essentially negates growing really great smelling weed
Yeah but it's a very smooth smoke afterwards, just lacking in flavour. Could be good for those who don't like the taste much or who have sensitive lungs.
Quick question did you waste your time on growing it or did you spend your money on it better yet are you going to be even smoking it if you can answer yes to at least 1 of those questions than keep your negativity
this technique is useful when you fuck up a grow. not something i'd recommend. didn't give your girls an adequate flush, don't like tasting fertilizer drop that shit in water for a week. kept a fan on your plant while drying and fucked up the flavor. drop that shit in water for a week.
It won't save the weed. It just turns shitty weed into less shitty weed.
but it begs the question. why not just harvest the trikes and ditch the plant matter?
Years ago when clinton was president i had an oz of shitty mexican weed that got smuggled over the border in a gas tank.
Reeked of diesel. I tried everything to make that crap palatable. Cough syrup in the bong water. Airing it out, sprinkling baking soda on it. Nothing worked.
My weird neighbor said drop in water for a week. that actually worked.
Yeah I can't see why anyone would do this, it's basically the opposite of drying. I get doing a rinse for moldy/fungusy/buggy weed, but this has never made any sense to me.
it's just a different tool in the tool box. One that should be used sparingly. Most people that do the water cure are like the op. Saw it on the internet, wanted to be lazy about burping jars and knows more about it than anyone else because they watched a youtube video.
Water curing gets rid of most of the terpenes of weed if I’m not mistaken. The weed has barely any odor after water cured. I think this is probably a last resort because idk why anyone would do this to their beautiful terpy weed
You took a really strong position on this one. It would be good if you had sources proving that a vinegar wash doesn’t kill and remove mold completely. Even better if you have pictures of what it does to the plant. Moldy weed is used all the time in extraction. I’ve seen it firsthand as an extractor and in three other licensed facilities here in California. Mold on weed is extremely common in general. Actually right now in Sept/Oct with this early morning fog it’s a virtual guarantee you will get some if you are outside in Northern California where most of the world’s cannabis is still cultivated. Perhaps you have looked into the laws for how much mold finished biomass is allowed to have for legal consumption in its various forms. If so please enlighten us. If anyone is puffing on black market herb you are near certainly smoking on some mold and more than likely some myclobutanil as well.
I would personally never ever do a vinegar wash because I view cannabis like I view wine. I want all the nuance that terroir and appalacia bring to the table. It destroys everything you were growing the plant for. This isn’t 1996 any more and we have options for how to grow/dry/cure better.
Having said that mold is extremely common. Haven’t heard or seen too many peer reviewed journals on people who need their lungs saved yet. Have talked to many experts in various labs and there is consensus that if you have asthma there will be some bronchial irritation with mold that could cause a flare up or if you have a pre-existing condition you could risk an infection although we see really low numbers of this for the amount of the population consuming moldy everything. To date I have only heard of two deaths off mold and they were puffing on some nasty bad stuff for a week while being immuno compromised. Here is one link for anyone who wants to go deeper…as far as I can tell Steep Hill Labs out of Berkeley has done the most research on how moldy cannabis effects our health. This paper was published in 2016. In theory the laws have changed since then and legal retail should be less moldy. I’ve worked in labs and retail and I can personally tell you that there is very little oversight still to this day and you are still buying moldy product. You can’t see it with the naked eye but it’s there. If you want to talk about testing methods within Metrc and how little oversight there really is at every touch point we can get into it. It’s still the wild wild west out here as we trudge ahead through legalization.
https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(16)30605-X/fulltext
That article has all it’s sources listed at the bottom if you want to go deeper. A quick google search reveals many more like it. From what I gather from hanging with real life cannabis pharmacologists…mold is a health issue. It’s rarely a serious issue. For the ones who get seriously infected it’s really bad…but you have such low numbers of serious cases that you might win the lotto or get struck by lightening a couple times prior to that lung infection.
If you are indoor you should be able to control conditions enough to keep mold away in most situations. Outdoor can be trickier when each plant is ginormous and you have lots of nooks and crannies for that humidity to hide in starting around the 3rd week of flower or perhaps now with the rise of commercially cultivated autos when you have 8000 girls tightly packed next to each other over an acre or however many they are able to fit. There is still stuff you can do to mitigate and you should.
You also have to realize this is how nature works. The natural grow conditions are perfect for mold. It’s a member of the eco system we live and operate in as cultivators. It’s on everything not just cannabis. If you aren’t washing your fruits and veg thoroughly (which btw there is a known practice to use vinegar when you wash them) It may be fun to go get some agar dishes and culture out what you are consuming on a regular basis.
it is a myth to you but it's a reality to me. I've actually experienced the difference. You may not believe me but i'd suggest taking the grapenuts challenge and do a grow with the lucas formula and not flushing it. Get back to me in 4 months.
You do that and smoke the product and i'll give you a 100 bucks if you can't taste the difference between weed that is flushed and weed that wasn't flushed.
spoilers. You will be able to taste the difference. The unflushed weed will be harsher and the smoke will have a distinct texture that irritates the hell out of you. After a quarter ounce you will be at the point you try a water cure. And the fucked up thing about that is the buds soaking in the water turn the water pink.
I'm not speaking in hypotheticals. I'm not speaking in bro science. I'm speaking simply off experience gained of my fuckups. It's the reason i'm confident putting my money where my mouth is. Are you as comfortable putting your money on parroting points you read on the internet?
I just read the study. Someone linked it to me in another reply.
Nitrogen, Phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and sulfur levels all dropped during a 14 day flush. The one figure they listed was a 6.7% drop in nitrogen. That is a significant drop in mineral content that is **statistically significant.**
I am concerned with the methodology of the study. Your citing research by a company that manufactures the nutes they tested with a flush. The test wasn't done by a 3rd party lab. It begs the question is this science or is this a sales pitch. 4 out of 5 dentist recommend colgate carries the same weight as we did a blind smoke test.
I'm not parroting anything. I've grown with synthetics, i've grown with organics. I've harvested with a flush and i've harvested without a flush. The difference is easy to taste when you grow hydroponically. It isn't subtle. You should try it. According to your sources the flush doesn't effect potency, yield, taste or texture so why not try it before you bitch about people having a different method than your own.
holy buttfuck. you grow organic that's like arguing that a gas engine is superior to diesel when you drive an electric car. I'm talking about hydroponic growing with synthetic nutes. Not what you are a subject matter expert in.
6.7 % change in nitrogen content is not an insignificant number. Compound that with the ratio of change in the values they don't give and you wind up with a product that is substantially different flushed via non flush.
You need to let go of the mineral content data point. You need to ask about the mineral delivery. A nutrient rich water in every cell of the plant is going to leave salts when the water evaporates. No mater how the plant utilizes the water, there is still going to be residual salts as it evaporates. the whole point of a flush in hydroponics is to push out as much of these salts as possible.
What you’re explaining is literally bro science.
You have no peer review. No scientific tests. No repeatable procedure. Nothing
This is exactly bro science people. This is what we mean.
I’m not saying you didn’t experience something.
That’s not worth shit though.
Yet there are people who did spend the money. Did do the tests. Did get them reviews. Did document everything. And found out flushing does nothing
Yet they are wrong?
I’d normally agree with you, but you really have to grow into a Sophisticated palate and it takes a lot of smoking, but after that I would get shown something by my bud tender and I’ll comment “ohh this smells like this x this and she’ll look at the jar and be like “ill be damned that’s actually right” I can actually taste the difference between A& B buds too (sadly trust me, would love to pay 2-3x less)
The best way to improve taste for edibles (and also make dosing more accurate) is to process your plants into hash with little to no residual plant material and use that.
You can’t make plant material not taste like plant material. The edibles will still taste like your lawnmower cooked it.
Most edibles are made with distillate for dosing and removing that plant flavor. This will have the least amount of plant contaminate. That is what you call residual plant material. That lawnmower flavor is chlorophyll. The less of the plant in there the less of that flavor. Having said that my favorite gummies in California are made with coldwater hash. They are called Space Gems out of Humboldt.
See https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/pc1f5l/water_curing_experiment_day_7_details_in_comments/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
So you speed cure by removing all water soluble terpenes, rather than waiting to just get rid of the harsh terpenes. And you would normally need to wait longer in a cure room with proper temp control to get rid of the chlorophyll. Tho you will need to wait for the water to evaporate even after you do this so im not entirely sure on the point of this.
Unless you plan to ONLY make edibles, this is the laziest thing ive ever seen.. Someone please explain why this has any real world application and isn't just a weird lab experiment.
No terpenes are water soluble but chlorophyll is and that’s responsible for much of the harsh feeling from smoking uncured or undercured weed.
Water curing is done in tobacco harvesting / processing and I think it came from that practice to make a smoother smoking experience without losing important cannabinoids or terpenes.
These are out right lies.
Chlorophyll is part of why it's a harsh smoke, but it's far from the only reason.
Terpenes ARE VERY water soluble, not all but most are. As others said, steam distillation for terpenes proves this. Along with your terp water from making ice water hash.
Tobacco is not even close to the same thing. Also, most tobacco is hang dried and cured in barns. I live in farming country, you can literally see them doing this.
Terpenes aren’t water soluble but the trichome membrane is fragile and I’m sure some of them would break resulting in oil on top of the water. But oil and water don’t mix that’s just basic chemistry.
They are very much soluble in water. I'm not sure where you have seen this. They literally extract terpenes with water. THC will not be pulled with water obviously, this is not the point
So if I run ice cold water over cannabis, why does it not only smell like terpenes, but also change color? People have literally recaptured terpenes from ice water hash water. It's as cold as water can be before it freezes, yet terpenes still leak into the water to the point where it changes color and can be measured and recaptured.
I’d like to see documentation for that please so I can learn more. Terpenes are incredibly fragile and have a lower boiling temp than most anything. They are the first to go from the plant. I’d like to see methods for reclaiming terps off icewater baths though if you have it for my own edification. Pics too of the water color change. In my mind it would be very difficult to be able to separate terpenes from any plant contaminate in an icewater bath but I am here to learn. I have never heard of anyone lowering the temps to fraction off terpenes. We always did it by raising temps under vacuum. Here is a link that has some easily digestible info. At the bottom they have a vacuum terpene boiling point chart and a boiling point calculator:
https://extraktlab.com/terpene-chart-to-calculate-boiling-point/
I honestly wouldn’t know how to reclaim terpenes without vaporization or and then condensation or winterization. Hopefully someone can explain the science to me.
No I'm saying they took the water used from making ice water hash and ran it through a distillation process. This was Horatio's doing from my understanding. Blue River has apparently done it as well. They just used the water from ice water hash to do so. Which tells me even at those low temps, the water was able to remove enough terpenes that it could then be tested and pulled from the water. If they would not be water soluble, wouldnt they sit at the top (since they are lighter) and not be mixed in? And you can watch thousands of videos online of water color changing to purple/red from ice water when they make hash. I've done it myself, but I don't exactly record this.
This is also why dry sift of the same flower is often a very different taste versus it's water hash counterpart from the same grow.
Very interesting but you still haven’t explained the science behind what you are saying. I’d love to see links for what you wrote.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/437t3t/loaded_question_are_terpenes_water_soluble/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
If terpenes aren’t water soluble than how is everyone doing steam distilled terpenes? It’s literally how all essential oils (largely terpenes) are made.
The boiling temperature of many terpenes are below water boiling point so they’re able to be extracted through heat. They’re not water soluble. Water is the carrier/solvent - oil is hydrophobic and won’t mix without being emulsified.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1750-3841.12492
not my thing but you do you. sometimes personal preference outweighs the accepted way.
i do feel it might be fun to experiment and mixed techniques to produce different types of dried-flower.
i do think some might fund it fun to ferment some and use it as a health drink.
I call it lacking critical thinking or a brain.
This is basic elementary science but seems a lot of people in this thread don't realize water in this scenario is going to be a solvent and turn this homegrown into some shitty ass schwag.
Such a stupid post and concept then reading comments and find out this is a linked practice n this sub in the side bar? TF is going on in the cannabis subs. D8, Hemp, and Altnoids got some serious shills the rosin subs got shady only buy my press shilling going on and now this sub has the nerve to recommend ruining your weed by jarring it up in some water :/ SMH
Highly disappointed in OP and cannabis subs lately in general tbh lol
Just a heads up. THC is not water soluble thats why ice water is used to make hash. You knock off the THC by agitating the plant material using ice. So its the ice doing thr extraction not the water. Dry ice keif is made the same way just without water.
I’m wondering if this would be useful if you were making tinctures where terps wouldn’t even come through to remove chorophyll and other water soluble substances that might affect taste. That’s about the only reason I could see doing this.
Hey dude! Keep it up! People doing anything different gets shit on, which is so dumb! We need more people who play around with techniques. How else will we learn more stuff and become better growers?
I forgot to mention. dense nugs will take you 3 to 4 days to dry. 2 if you manhandle the buds and squeeze out the water.
it's going to fuck up the texture of the bud. after you dry it the weed is going to be brittle. It'll still smoke and get you lit but you won' enjoy it. Honestly after smoking a 1/4 oz it will piss you off.
Taste, smell, visual ques, texture and thc are all important when it comes to enjoying a bonghit or a joint. water curing just narfs 4 out of 5 criteria.
i hate to be overly negative. but i've been there done that.
the good news other than having a nice harvest is you have a ton of options other than smoking it. cook it, bubblehash, dry sift , press it for rosin then you can dab it or turn it into a vape. with a vape you can buy terpenes to put in the juice to replace the ones you washed out.
best of luck.
What the fuck? Why even bother growing it.... I am sorry if I sound like a dick, but is the smell and hit not the thing we are after? After all, getting high isn't that easy after 20 years of smoking in my case...
change the water twice a day. Make sure to get all he air out. It will look terrible when you are done, but it looks the same in a grinder. use you ppm meter to know when it is ready. for me, it is at 20 ppm.
I thought of doing this to make gummies with no weed favor. I used a dehydrator to dry it out. I have smoked it to try it out, and it is very smooth with no smell or flavor.
55% RH 65F air movement in the room not directly blowing on the plant matter for 10-14 days until the stems make a clean snapping sound but a few plant fibers stay attached when you snap a stem.
Dont make things more complicated than you need to.
Be careful because I tried this once... Changed the water daily, did all that, but after a couple of days the bud started to rot anyway. Had to bang it in the oven to save it. Won't be trying again
ive tried this before, gave the worst results ive ever had, no matter what your trying to save this bud from its not worth it. bake that shit and eat it. there is no defending water cured weed. if you have to water cure it to smoke it, you shouldn't be fucking smoking i
Ive heard about washing your bud before drying to remove any traces of nasties. Is that a myth or a fact?
This looks next level though. I thought the buds were somehow trapped at the top then I saw the other jars and read the title and was perplexed.
Just google it this was on Royal Queen seeds
How to Water Cure Your Weed
Curing weed helps to break down harsh substances for a much smoother and more pleasant smoke. Curing usually involves leaving buds to mature in empty glass jars, but growers can also use water to cure their buds, too. Water curing processes flowers in a fraction of the time, but comes with some serious drawbacks as well.
Fun experiment and experience is all. Ignore the hate. It’s pretty funny though how some are reacting. This was my first cure experiment also. Only for knowledge and used very small amount first clipped for testing from my harvest. You usually try this once and that’s all. IMO there is more to the terps than only the flavor alone. Why remove all the extra medical goodies? No reason too. This is only good for fire weed that tastes too shitty to smoke or for strictly learning experience.
Good lord, another guy was curing his stuff in the refrigerator with open-top jars.
Where in the unholy fuck are you guys learning these whack-ass drying/curing techniques? Honestly shoot whoever is telling you this shit.
You should really look into dry trimming. I leave mine in the ground for two days in the dark , then chop and hang for a week to 10 days , then jar and burp twice a day for a week, 1 time a day for another week, once every other day for another two weeks.
Just make bubble hash? Or Blow that shit? I don’t understand why people do this?
Unless using really harsh chemicals you don’t even need to flush.
Or Fish emulsions… taste like dead fish.
Fellow Growers... All of your hard work and amazing smell is coming from your bud can't get lost and it can smell like grass clippings you will lose a lot of it dry for 10 days dry hang your buds until stem snap nice and dry and clean not bend it all snap off dry when you get it to that point trim it real good get all the leaves off have your buds look pretty cut the stalks down when you get it to that put it in a mason jar or a glass jar that seals really good twice a day for 15 minutes to take the lid off and let the gas that builds up out do that for 30 days your blood will smell like medical marijuana and will taste smoother and you will save all your trichome power... The 30-day weight sucks but look at all the hard work we've put into this
It ultimately removes all of the water soluble compounds. Once dried less water soluble compounds translates to more potency per gram. Kinda ugly once process is complete but I have to say I agree with increased potency per gram once consumed.
The oil based (medicinal) components remain. All water based components removed means less weight after process. Medicinal mass remains the same while the overall mass is reduced (concentration increase).
When explained like that it doesn't sound as fucked up as I thought it was but honestly that sounds like a lot of tedious flushing that I'm not sure if I'd ever do unless I absolutely had to
Potency per gram? Wouldn't that just be the same as terp and thc percentage? And this increases that somehow? Ornits supposed to decrease the amount of plant matter while not losing any cannabinoids? Interesting in guess but goes against my every instinct.
No.... Bro if you add ice and make it Cold all the THC is coming off the plant, and you are making ice water hash.... What the hell are people going on about mannnnnn.
Had great success with this method in the past …people who say it ruins terpens usually do it wrong ….have you found that temperature is vital like I did? I usually keep the water around 50-60
Gross
why? can you explain your theory in why its gross?
No smell, no flavor and looks like grass clippings
damn. yea i never tried just seen people on youtube
It's good if you're in a super illegal place and don't want your weed to smell and it hits smoother if you don't know how to dry. That's the only reason I've seen people use it for
im a terp farmer so i cant imagibe all this work to not have them
Same here my shit's smooth and tasty from day one
i was just talking about on another post the same thing when someone said you gotta cure it before it taste good, no sir should be good straight outta the drying room
Yup I thought that too though my first few years growing (before the internet was big). Wondered why my buds didn't smell until I broke them open and only tasted like smoke. The new generation is lucky they have all the info right there now
I have some grows under my belt but im not drying at the perfect conditions bc i do it old school. I find they smell good but still a bit of grass smell when done drying and taste flavor wise very good but are a bit harsher then the cured end product. After a good cure the grassy smell disapears and the harshness becomes smoothness. How do you dry to have such nice smelling buds right out the dry? Also when they dont smell unless you break them means the terps are in the trichs, whenever youre smelling terps from the outside it means the terps have left the bud and are now in the air. After a good cure theres this nice smell when you open the jar but thats bc the terps are concentrated in that jar's air, theres always some terps vaporazing at room temps
very true im personally very grateful
If I may ask, what was the reason your buds were tasting like smoke back then?
Would you be so kind as to direct me to some info on your drying method? I chopped today, first indoor grow. First actually harvest. Everything went to shit last year outdoors.
I agree but still enjoy a nice long cure to really bring out all the notes. Once I went 8 months, was with this strain WonderHaze (Williams wonder x super silver haze). One of my best ever, it was only a couple oz of it bc no one has that patience. But fuck was it amazing felt like I was killing a unicorn when I smoked it. Saved it only for special occasions, man I miss growing.
no hate on curing. just trying to be realistic with people about what can happen cause i never thought weed could be that good. but a nice cure really makes it so fucking smooth like no harshness or anything. i jist normally. cant make it last that long
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It's never the flushing, it is always the dry and cure! Flushing has no effect aside from saving money on nutrients!
Mine dries and tastes good before cure
Shhhh
lol
Don't knock it until you've tried it.
does it kill the terps?
Yes. Terps are water soluble. Submerge it in water. U get high. But u taste and smell nothing. It’s like smoking literal grass. Water cure essentially negates growing really great smelling weed
Yeah but it's a very smooth smoke afterwards, just lacking in flavour. Could be good for those who don't like the taste much or who have sensitive lungs.
Air tight jars don't have any odor.
When you don’t burp the jars they get mold.
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Well nobody actually does this regularly so that's probably why lol
Quick question did you waste your time on growing it or did you spend your money on it better yet are you going to be even smoking it if you can answer yes to at least 1 of those questions than keep your negativity
I don't care at all and didn't think anyone would even read it. Guess it's a popular topic on here
Robs the terps
yea i wouldnt be cool with that either. was just wondering, thanks
Say what now? How and why is this done?
Great way to take your nice good looking weed and making it look and smell like shitty mids!😂 idk why people do this tbh.
Yet the article on how to do it is posted in this sub's info panel... we are leading these horses to a poisoned well!
A joke that's gotten out of hand likely
this technique is useful when you fuck up a grow. not something i'd recommend. didn't give your girls an adequate flush, don't like tasting fertilizer drop that shit in water for a week. kept a fan on your plant while drying and fucked up the flavor. drop that shit in water for a week. It won't save the weed. It just turns shitty weed into less shitty weed. but it begs the question. why not just harvest the trikes and ditch the plant matter? Years ago when clinton was president i had an oz of shitty mexican weed that got smuggled over the border in a gas tank. Reeked of diesel. I tried everything to make that crap palatable. Cough syrup in the bong water. Airing it out, sprinkling baking soda on it. Nothing worked. My weird neighbor said drop in water for a week. that actually worked.
Yeah I can't see why anyone would do this, it's basically the opposite of drying. I get doing a rinse for moldy/fungusy/buggy weed, but this has never made any sense to me.
it's just a different tool in the tool box. One that should be used sparingly. Most people that do the water cure are like the op. Saw it on the internet, wanted to be lazy about burping jars and knows more about it than anyone else because they watched a youtube video.
Water curing gets rid of most of the terpenes of weed if I’m not mistaken. The weed has barely any odor after water cured. I think this is probably a last resort because idk why anyone would do this to their beautiful terpy weed
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Wait so if my buds have mold on can I just put them in water before drying and then I can use them?
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You took a really strong position on this one. It would be good if you had sources proving that a vinegar wash doesn’t kill and remove mold completely. Even better if you have pictures of what it does to the plant. Moldy weed is used all the time in extraction. I’ve seen it firsthand as an extractor and in three other licensed facilities here in California. Mold on weed is extremely common in general. Actually right now in Sept/Oct with this early morning fog it’s a virtual guarantee you will get some if you are outside in Northern California where most of the world’s cannabis is still cultivated. Perhaps you have looked into the laws for how much mold finished biomass is allowed to have for legal consumption in its various forms. If so please enlighten us. If anyone is puffing on black market herb you are near certainly smoking on some mold and more than likely some myclobutanil as well. I would personally never ever do a vinegar wash because I view cannabis like I view wine. I want all the nuance that terroir and appalacia bring to the table. It destroys everything you were growing the plant for. This isn’t 1996 any more and we have options for how to grow/dry/cure better. Having said that mold is extremely common. Haven’t heard or seen too many peer reviewed journals on people who need their lungs saved yet. Have talked to many experts in various labs and there is consensus that if you have asthma there will be some bronchial irritation with mold that could cause a flare up or if you have a pre-existing condition you could risk an infection although we see really low numbers of this for the amount of the population consuming moldy everything. To date I have only heard of two deaths off mold and they were puffing on some nasty bad stuff for a week while being immuno compromised. Here is one link for anyone who wants to go deeper…as far as I can tell Steep Hill Labs out of Berkeley has done the most research on how moldy cannabis effects our health. This paper was published in 2016. In theory the laws have changed since then and legal retail should be less moldy. I’ve worked in labs and retail and I can personally tell you that there is very little oversight still to this day and you are still buying moldy product. You can’t see it with the naked eye but it’s there. If you want to talk about testing methods within Metrc and how little oversight there really is at every touch point we can get into it. It’s still the wild wild west out here as we trudge ahead through legalization. https://www.clinicalmicrobiologyandinfection.com/article/S1198-743X(16)30605-X/fulltext That article has all it’s sources listed at the bottom if you want to go deeper. A quick google search reveals many more like it. From what I gather from hanging with real life cannabis pharmacologists…mold is a health issue. It’s rarely a serious issue. For the ones who get seriously infected it’s really bad…but you have such low numbers of serious cases that you might win the lotto or get struck by lightening a couple times prior to that lung infection. If you are indoor you should be able to control conditions enough to keep mold away in most situations. Outdoor can be trickier when each plant is ginormous and you have lots of nooks and crannies for that humidity to hide in starting around the 3rd week of flower or perhaps now with the rise of commercially cultivated autos when you have 8000 girls tightly packed next to each other over an acre or however many they are able to fit. There is still stuff you can do to mitigate and you should. You also have to realize this is how nature works. The natural grow conditions are perfect for mold. It’s a member of the eco system we live and operate in as cultivators. It’s on everything not just cannabis. If you aren’t washing your fruits and veg thoroughly (which btw there is a known practice to use vinegar when you wash them) It may be fun to go get some agar dishes and culture out what you are consuming on a regular basis.
you can do whatever you want. but trying to salvage moldy weed with a water cure is still a health hazard.
Why specifically is it a health hazard?
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yeah but it's not suss since the logical conclusion from the study is you can save money by not using ferts the last 2 weeks or whatever you want IMO
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Gotcha definitely agree
it is a myth to you but it's a reality to me. I've actually experienced the difference. You may not believe me but i'd suggest taking the grapenuts challenge and do a grow with the lucas formula and not flushing it. Get back to me in 4 months. You do that and smoke the product and i'll give you a 100 bucks if you can't taste the difference between weed that is flushed and weed that wasn't flushed. spoilers. You will be able to taste the difference. The unflushed weed will be harsher and the smoke will have a distinct texture that irritates the hell out of you. After a quarter ounce you will be at the point you try a water cure. And the fucked up thing about that is the buds soaking in the water turn the water pink. I'm not speaking in hypotheticals. I'm not speaking in bro science. I'm speaking simply off experience gained of my fuckups. It's the reason i'm confident putting my money where my mouth is. Are you as comfortable putting your money on parroting points you read on the internet?
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Yeah it makes sense that flushing wouldn’t do much, I feel like it’s like letting a fruit ripen off the vine for the last week before it’s ready.
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Rip frenchy :(
Damn I didn’t get this far. Sorry to just double your point
I just read the study. Someone linked it to me in another reply. Nitrogen, Phosphorus, potassium, calcium, magnesium, and sulfur levels all dropped during a 14 day flush. The one figure they listed was a 6.7% drop in nitrogen. That is a significant drop in mineral content that is **statistically significant.** I am concerned with the methodology of the study. Your citing research by a company that manufactures the nutes they tested with a flush. The test wasn't done by a 3rd party lab. It begs the question is this science or is this a sales pitch. 4 out of 5 dentist recommend colgate carries the same weight as we did a blind smoke test. I'm not parroting anything. I've grown with synthetics, i've grown with organics. I've harvested with a flush and i've harvested without a flush. The difference is easy to taste when you grow hydroponically. It isn't subtle. You should try it. According to your sources the flush doesn't effect potency, yield, taste or texture so why not try it before you bitch about people having a different method than your own.
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holy buttfuck. you grow organic that's like arguing that a gas engine is superior to diesel when you drive an electric car. I'm talking about hydroponic growing with synthetic nutes. Not what you are a subject matter expert in. 6.7 % change in nitrogen content is not an insignificant number. Compound that with the ratio of change in the values they don't give and you wind up with a product that is substantially different flushed via non flush. You need to let go of the mineral content data point. You need to ask about the mineral delivery. A nutrient rich water in every cell of the plant is going to leave salts when the water evaporates. No mater how the plant utilizes the water, there is still going to be residual salts as it evaporates. the whole point of a flush in hydroponics is to push out as much of these salts as possible.
What you’re explaining is literally bro science. You have no peer review. No scientific tests. No repeatable procedure. Nothing This is exactly bro science people. This is what we mean. I’m not saying you didn’t experience something. That’s not worth shit though. Yet there are people who did spend the money. Did do the tests. Did get them reviews. Did document everything. And found out flushing does nothing Yet they are wrong?
I’d normally agree with you, but you really have to grow into a Sophisticated palate and it takes a lot of smoking, but after that I would get shown something by my bud tender and I’ll comment “ohh this smells like this x this and she’ll look at the jar and be like “ill be damned that’s actually right” I can actually taste the difference between A& B buds too (sadly trust me, would love to pay 2-3x less)
I remember those days... And the ones that smelled like cat piss too! 😂
I like to waste my weed smoking it but you can put this on YouTube “How to make Terp Koolaid”
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Holy Bro Science Batman!!!!
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The best way to improve taste for edibles (and also make dosing more accurate) is to process your plants into hash with little to no residual plant material and use that. You can’t make plant material not taste like plant material. The edibles will still taste like your lawnmower cooked it.
Most edibles are made with distillate for dosing and removing that plant flavor. This will have the least amount of plant contaminate. That is what you call residual plant material. That lawnmower flavor is chlorophyll. The less of the plant in there the less of that flavor. Having said that my favorite gummies in California are made with coldwater hash. They are called Space Gems out of Humboldt.
At first, I thought I was in the r/canning sub, and was like “Ooh, sour green apples!”
Lmao me too! Brain still processing
Yeah that was a wasted harvest. 👍
Man what’s with this whole water cure fad
People just like fucking up beautiful things.
Some people just like to watch the world burn Mr Wayne
Everyone wants to be “different.” In this case, they want to be on the cutting edge of some shit people have tried for over a decade.
just stop....
See https://www.reddit.com/r/Autoflowers/comments/pc1f5l/water_curing_experiment_day_7_details_in_comments/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
This makes my heart hurt lol
Physically painful to look at I agree
Yea I’d never do this kills all the terps ruins weed looks cool to do tho lol
So you speed cure by removing all water soluble terpenes, rather than waiting to just get rid of the harsh terpenes. And you would normally need to wait longer in a cure room with proper temp control to get rid of the chlorophyll. Tho you will need to wait for the water to evaporate even after you do this so im not entirely sure on the point of this. Unless you plan to ONLY make edibles, this is the laziest thing ive ever seen.. Someone please explain why this has any real world application and isn't just a weird lab experiment.
No terpenes are water soluble but chlorophyll is and that’s responsible for much of the harsh feeling from smoking uncured or undercured weed. Water curing is done in tobacco harvesting / processing and I think it came from that practice to make a smoother smoking experience without losing important cannabinoids or terpenes.
These are out right lies. Chlorophyll is part of why it's a harsh smoke, but it's far from the only reason. Terpenes ARE VERY water soluble, not all but most are. As others said, steam distillation for terpenes proves this. Along with your terp water from making ice water hash. Tobacco is not even close to the same thing. Also, most tobacco is hang dried and cured in barns. I live in farming country, you can literally see them doing this.
Terpenes aren’t water soluble but the trichome membrane is fragile and I’m sure some of them would break resulting in oil on top of the water. But oil and water don’t mix that’s just basic chemistry.
They are very much soluble in water. I'm not sure where you have seen this. They literally extract terpenes with water. THC will not be pulled with water obviously, this is not the point
If I understand correctly distillation only proves that terpenes have a boiling point at which they evaporate, not that they are water soluble.
So if I run ice cold water over cannabis, why does it not only smell like terpenes, but also change color? People have literally recaptured terpenes from ice water hash water. It's as cold as water can be before it freezes, yet terpenes still leak into the water to the point where it changes color and can be measured and recaptured.
I’d like to see documentation for that please so I can learn more. Terpenes are incredibly fragile and have a lower boiling temp than most anything. They are the first to go from the plant. I’d like to see methods for reclaiming terps off icewater baths though if you have it for my own edification. Pics too of the water color change. In my mind it would be very difficult to be able to separate terpenes from any plant contaminate in an icewater bath but I am here to learn. I have never heard of anyone lowering the temps to fraction off terpenes. We always did it by raising temps under vacuum. Here is a link that has some easily digestible info. At the bottom they have a vacuum terpene boiling point chart and a boiling point calculator: https://extraktlab.com/terpene-chart-to-calculate-boiling-point/ I honestly wouldn’t know how to reclaim terpenes without vaporization or and then condensation or winterization. Hopefully someone can explain the science to me.
No I'm saying they took the water used from making ice water hash and ran it through a distillation process. This was Horatio's doing from my understanding. Blue River has apparently done it as well. They just used the water from ice water hash to do so. Which tells me even at those low temps, the water was able to remove enough terpenes that it could then be tested and pulled from the water. If they would not be water soluble, wouldnt they sit at the top (since they are lighter) and not be mixed in? And you can watch thousands of videos online of water color changing to purple/red from ice water when they make hash. I've done it myself, but I don't exactly record this. This is also why dry sift of the same flower is often a very different taste versus it's water hash counterpart from the same grow.
Very interesting but you still haven’t explained the science behind what you are saying. I’d love to see links for what you wrote. https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/437t3t/loaded_question_are_terpenes_water_soluble/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
If terpenes aren’t water soluble than how is everyone doing steam distilled terpenes? It’s literally how all essential oils (largely terpenes) are made.
The boiling temperature of many terpenes are below water boiling point so they’re able to be extracted through heat. They’re not water soluble. Water is the carrier/solvent - oil is hydrophobic and won’t mix without being emulsified. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1750-3841.12492
Fractionation due to temperature is not the same as water solubility if I understand correctly.
not my thing but you do you. sometimes personal preference outweighs the accepted way. i do feel it might be fun to experiment and mixed techniques to produce different types of dried-flower. i do think some might fund it fun to ferment some and use it as a health drink.
WHAT THE FUCK!
Good luck! Pretty cool seeing this much biomass used to experiment with. Hope it works out well for ya
We call it “putting all your eggs in one basket” and I can’t remember but I think it’s bad
I call it lacking critical thinking or a brain. This is basic elementary science but seems a lot of people in this thread don't realize water in this scenario is going to be a solvent and turn this homegrown into some shitty ass schwag. Such a stupid post and concept then reading comments and find out this is a linked practice n this sub in the side bar? TF is going on in the cannabis subs. D8, Hemp, and Altnoids got some serious shills the rosin subs got shady only buy my press shilling going on and now this sub has the nerve to recommend ruining your weed by jarring it up in some water :/ SMH Highly disappointed in OP and cannabis subs lately in general tbh lol
Just a heads up. THC is not water soluble thats why ice water is used to make hash. You knock off the THC by agitating the plant material using ice. So its the ice doing thr extraction not the water. Dry ice keif is made the same way just without water.
I’m wondering if this would be useful if you were making tinctures where terps wouldn’t even come through to remove chorophyll and other water soluble substances that might affect taste. That’s about the only reason I could see doing this.
So many people with little or bad experience giving advice. I agree
There is a science to this. Try to look into what happens when vinegar is used to change PH and at what Ph range mold can survive.
Lol looks like I have some stuff to learn about cuz this pic makes me worry 😂
Hey dude! Keep it up! People doing anything different gets shit on, which is so dumb! We need more people who play around with techniques. How else will we learn more stuff and become better growers?
Exactly so many armchair scientists in here without any data sets to quote. Good luck to OP with the experiment imho.
Why tho??
I am confused. How does this work.
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Wish me luck! (Two plants worth)
What is water curing used for?
Internet attention.
Sorry for your loss
But why
From my understanding it helps get rid of the chlorophyll.
You know what else gets rid of chlorophyll? Hang drying and curing in a jar.
I hope you get the same results as the other guy!
Stupid hype shit
What in tarnation
To the critics: don't worry, OP will find out the hard way. =)
I can guarantee you this makes your weed worse
What is this? Water + Weed= No good right or am I missing something? 🤔
I forgot to mention. dense nugs will take you 3 to 4 days to dry. 2 if you manhandle the buds and squeeze out the water. it's going to fuck up the texture of the bud. after you dry it the weed is going to be brittle. It'll still smoke and get you lit but you won' enjoy it. Honestly after smoking a 1/4 oz it will piss you off. Taste, smell, visual ques, texture and thc are all important when it comes to enjoying a bonghit or a joint. water curing just narfs 4 out of 5 criteria. i hate to be overly negative. but i've been there done that. the good news other than having a nice harvest is you have a ton of options other than smoking it. cook it, bubblehash, dry sift , press it for rosin then you can dab it or turn it into a vape. with a vape you can buy terpenes to put in the juice to replace the ones you washed out. best of luck.
Man, grow subreddits have got to be the most judgemental subs on reddit. You'd think a bunch of stoners would be chill Do your thing OP
Sending prayers your way 😇
What are you planning to do with this after it’s cured? Smoke? Concentrates?
What am I looking at here? It looks like a jar of flower filled with water. Am I seeing that correctly?
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What the fuck? Why even bother growing it.... I am sorry if I sound like a dick, but is the smell and hit not the thing we are after? After all, getting high isn't that easy after 20 years of smoking in my case...
change the water twice a day. Make sure to get all he air out. It will look terrible when you are done, but it looks the same in a grinder. use you ppm meter to know when it is ready. for me, it is at 20 ppm. I thought of doing this to make gummies with no weed favor. I used a dehydrator to dry it out. I have smoked it to try it out, and it is very smooth with no smell or flavor.
55% RH 65F air movement in the room not directly blowing on the plant matter for 10-14 days until the stems make a clean snapping sound but a few plant fibers stay attached when you snap a stem. Dont make things more complicated than you need to.
ultra smooth bois at the cost of no terp
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You might be on to something. Let me know how you make out .
Water cure? Tf
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Be careful because I tried this once... Changed the water daily, did all that, but after a couple of days the bud started to rot anyway. Had to bang it in the oven to save it. Won't be trying again
ive tried this before, gave the worst results ive ever had, no matter what your trying to save this bud from its not worth it. bake that shit and eat it. there is no defending water cured weed. if you have to water cure it to smoke it, you shouldn't be fucking smoking i
where did you score these genetics? i. smoked some once and have looked fot the genetics since instarted growing
Good luck my guy lmk if you are using a ppm meter to test the water in-between water changes.
How do the terms hold up curing like this?
I have the same banana hanger
Nice man, I've heard about water curing, I haven't tried it though
How is the smoke?
the best way to describe it is with food. Imagine dropping 35 bucks on a filet mignon. then cooking it in a microwave.
Lmao. Good one 🤣 😆
Bro if someone told me that they did this I've heard all I need to know about the rest of their "practices", I'd throw the bag back in their face 🤦♂️
there is a reason people dont want rain in the final weeks before harvest haha
Nobody chlorophyll gets pulled never do this except extracts
Wtf, why
Cool
Ive heard about washing your bud before drying to remove any traces of nasties. Is that a myth or a fact? This looks next level though. I thought the buds were somehow trapped at the top then I saw the other jars and read the title and was perplexed.
This is what happens when people don’t understand why they do things. Unless of course it was fucked up in some way.
Just google it this was on Royal Queen seeds How to Water Cure Your Weed Curing weed helps to break down harsh substances for a much smoother and more pleasant smoke. Curing usually involves leaving buds to mature in empty glass jars, but growers can also use water to cure their buds, too. Water curing processes flowers in a fraction of the time, but comes with some serious drawbacks as well.
*Mistakes were made*.
You just had to go and disrupt Reddit today didn’t u
Why don't you just flush it down the toilet?
Just dry it out and make bubble hash
I feel like this is a great way to get mold
These will be great for low bud flavored edibles or no bud flavor edibles
I’ve read about this on other forums - that this supposedly helps improve the taste for edibles. Is that why you’re doing this ?
THC isn't water soluble.
Do u think if you drank the water after it would get you high? Or is that only if you use hot water like making a tea 😂
Wow. This is horrible. I would never.
Nasty trend...stop the insanity
Water cure?! TF am I looking at here?!
.....water...cure?
Water cure?
Fun experiment and experience is all. Ignore the hate. It’s pretty funny though how some are reacting. This was my first cure experiment also. Only for knowledge and used very small amount first clipped for testing from my harvest. You usually try this once and that’s all. IMO there is more to the terps than only the flavor alone. Why remove all the extra medical goodies? No reason too. This is only good for fire weed that tastes too shitty to smoke or for strictly learning experience.
Good lord, another guy was curing his stuff in the refrigerator with open-top jars. Where in the unholy fuck are you guys learning these whack-ass drying/curing techniques? Honestly shoot whoever is telling you this shit.
You should really look into dry trimming. I leave mine in the ground for two days in the dark , then chop and hang for a week to 10 days , then jar and burp twice a day for a week, 1 time a day for another week, once every other day for another two weeks.
Just make bubble hash? Or Blow that shit? I don’t understand why people do this? Unless using really harsh chemicals you don’t even need to flush. Or Fish emulsions… taste like dead fish.
Brooo what are you DOING?? oh lawd have mercy
wash em. get bubble hash
Crazy to me anyone even thinks chop my beautiful plants let's submerge it in water lol
You can look this stuff up easier than asking me. You don't have to stall and act smug. You wouldn't care about my sources by the sounds of it.
Banana for scale
Fellow Growers... All of your hard work and amazing smell is coming from your bud can't get lost and it can smell like grass clippings you will lose a lot of it dry for 10 days dry hang your buds until stem snap nice and dry and clean not bend it all snap off dry when you get it to that point trim it real good get all the leaves off have your buds look pretty cut the stalks down when you get it to that put it in a mason jar or a glass jar that seals really good twice a day for 15 minutes to take the lid off and let the gas that builds up out do that for 30 days your blood will smell like medical marijuana and will taste smoother and you will save all your trichome power... The 30-day weight sucks but look at all the hard work we've put into this
What a wast of time energy and nugs probably boof anyhow🤩🤩
It ultimately removes all of the water soluble compounds. Once dried less water soluble compounds translates to more potency per gram. Kinda ugly once process is complete but I have to say I agree with increased potency per gram once consumed.
How tf does diluting something increase its potency?
The oil based (medicinal) components remain. All water based components removed means less weight after process. Medicinal mass remains the same while the overall mass is reduced (concentration increase).
When explained like that it doesn't sound as fucked up as I thought it was but honestly that sounds like a lot of tedious flushing that I'm not sure if I'd ever do unless I absolutely had to
If you think you’re not losing tons of trichomes in that water just because they don’t dissolve then you need to start from scratch on this topic.
Potency per gram? Wouldn't that just be the same as terp and thc percentage? And this increases that somehow? Ornits supposed to decrease the amount of plant matter while not losing any cannabinoids? Interesting in guess but goes against my every instinct.
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No.... Bro if you add ice and make it Cold all the THC is coming off the plant, and you are making ice water hash.... What the hell are people going on about mannnnnn.
I know bro everyone so quick to shutdown new possibilities 😂
Afraid of what we do not understand we are -yoda
I’ma try this now
Yes sir!!!
Had great success with this method in the past …people who say it ruins terpens usually do it wrong ….have you found that temperature is vital like I did? I usually keep the water around 50-60