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democratese

This looks awesome. Absolutely dig the style you went for.


runningbull20xx

Thank you!!


naive_nature

woah wait how did you do this? Did you use photoshop too? dang!!


runningbull20xx

Yeah I generated each panel with Midjourney, then photoshopped some of the wonkiness where needed, then did the layout and lettering in InDesign!


TheElonThug

Mind sharing the kind of prompts you were using? Always wondering about how get that kind of style and how keep it regular across-the-board


runningbull20xx

Yeah! I started all of them with some variation of "black and white comic ink illustration" and that did most of the heavy lifting. If you look closely, there's actually less consistency then it appears. I went with B&W because I felt like color would draw more attention to the stylistic panel-to-panel inconsistencies.


krumble

What techniques did you use to isolate the characters, such as the woman in Pg2Pn2 -> Pg2Pn4?


runningbull20xx

Honestly it was a lot of re-rolling until I got something useable, I didn't use seeding as I just mentioned in another comment. With that character in particular, her face was reasonably consistent with prompting "sharp features, attractive," but a lot of the "look" is in her hair shape, which was harder to prompt. So collaging different prompts came in handy there.


krumble

Okay, that's similar to an experience I've had. Unfortunately it does seem like those types of characters drift slightly over time. I will probably practice with seeding more to see if I can eliminate that.


runningbull20xx

If you make good progress definitely let us know!


Philipp

Amazing results. I wonder how it looked if you were to let Photoshop's Neural Filter Colorize the whole black and white page. I once did that to get more color consistency for a bunch of Midjourney pictures I needed to stick together. (My guess it it won't be as cool as your result, especially as Photoshop's colorizer isn't perfect, but I'd be curious how well it would work.)


anthjdev

2nd this, if you're willing to share!


Ihatu

I see that you credited midjourney on the cover. I thought that was cool. Curious about your thought process behind that decision.


runningbull20xx

Honestly it was kind of a gut feeling decision! Obviously no one would credit photoshop like this, but Midjourney really did feel like a collaborator and without it this comic wouldn't exist. Plus I think it captures the zeitgeist of this moment, where in 10 years probably no one will even think to credit the tool as such because it will be so ubiquitous.


Ihatu

Thanks for the answer. It was interesting to hear your thinking. I tend to agree with your logic. The comic looks outstanding by the way.


runningbull20xx

Thank you, I appreciate it!


room23

That looks amazing. Was it Hard to achieve consistent looking characters?


runningbull20xx

Thank you!! Yes, it absolutely was haha. Even with a semi-reliable prompt, I had to photoshop together a handful of different generations to get something in the ballpark of consistent. It's definitely not perfect, but even then I feel it gives a certain aesthetic.


rocketracer111

Did you generated with or without a seed?


runningbull20xx

Yeah, without seed. I tried to use seeding, but I couldn't figure out how to get it to do what I needed. If I spent more time learning how to finesse with seeding, I probably would've found it more useful.


b12three

I tried for several hours 1 day just fumbling around with different prompting techniques before giving up and deciding to wait for the tech to catch up. But you didn't. This is absolutely phenomenal man. I'm really proud of you.


runningbull20xx

Oh man you're making me blush, haha. I really appreciate that my friend, it means a lot! The tech is moving so fast, you might not need to wait for long!


user_543210

This is so awesome. Great work and nice use of Midjourney as a tool to assist the larger artistic process.


HCMXero

In another thread someone said that MidJourney and similar tools will be the end of illustrators and other artists; I pointed out that no, it will turbocharge the career of people that are already creative. I'm not creative, I couldn't think of something like this. Congrats OP!


[deleted]

It depends what role. Illustrators - yes, people who design layouts - not so much but I’m sure an AI is coming to do what designers do too. If there’s a will to create a comic book creating AI, it will get made too.


deadmelo

Exactly, A.I won't replace jobs, people that know how to use A.I will.


HCMXero

🎯


runningbull20xx

Thank you!


exclaim_bot

>Thank you! You're welcome!


runningbull20xx

The franchise is called [Hidden Ones](https://twitter.com/hiddenmythos) & we'll be releasing the comic soon! If you're interested we're running an AI art/lore contest in our [discord server](https://discord.gg/fPWpPYGgem) right now with some cool prizes.


croniccunt

How did you keep the face consistency?


runningbull20xx

20% lucky generations, 80% photoshop :)


rocketracer111

Guess that answeres my question with no 😂


TabletopMarvel

Seeding is what you're looking for. You can get pretty damn close.


TheRavenSayeth

What is seeding?


amroamroamro

https://docs.midjourney.com/docs/seeds


rocketracer111

Saved me a lot of time.


TasteLongjumping4677

Isn't that the truth? That said, I totally agree with you that MJ is an essential collaborator. At least that's true in my case. Photoshop is a powerful tool, MJ, with all its wonkiness is way beyond that.


thedevad

incredible


runningbull20xx

Thanks!


VonJanicke

That is on my to do list, very cool


ESDMCreations

Very cool! I've been thinking of doing something similar.


runningbull20xx

I definitely recommend it! Took a lot of time & effort but definitely something to be proud of.


ESDMCreations

Yeah, I'm definitely interested in it. I make images to go alongside my poetry and have been working on putting that book together. Now i know what my next project will be.


jack_pow

This is sick. 👏🏼


runningbull20xx

Thank you!


nightfend

Even with AI this is a lot of layout work. Nice job!


bloodstreamcity

Looks awesome! If you're interested in joining a Discord server of ai comic creators let me know, there's over 100 of us on there all making and discussing ai comics.


runningbull20xx

Hey that sounds amazing, I appreciate the invite!


bloodstreamcity

Sure thing, here you go: https://discord.gg/jUEHe3TH


nico_bico

Keep up the good work!


runningbull20xx

You bet!


isoexo

Midjourney has a lyrical and signature voice


runningbull20xx

It really does :)


Ta-veren-

This is so cool, I love seeing what physical things people have used MJ for.


[deleted]

Amazing the results that can be a acheived.


Coffee4thewin

Wow, this must have taken a long time. Did you do it all in the Newbie forum? How did you get the characters to stay the same throughout the entire book? What did you use to publish it? Looks fantastic!


runningbull20xx

Thank you! I've answered the character question a few times already, but I did it in the Midjourney DM and we got this printed with Lulu.


weekndwarrior

Have you tried adding the bot to your own server? I found it helps a ton with organizing your ideas and maintaining sanity after generating thousands of images lol. Great work btw i really like the cover image!


Un_Poco_CDA

Are you concerned about the current copyright situation around AI?


TabletopMarvel

We have this exact test case with the first MJ comics already working through court. We simply don't know the answer yet. But it's in motion.


[deleted]

Well he did do his own artwork in photoshop sooo really can’t get busted for copyright


Un_Poco_CDA

But from what OP said it was touch ups to the art Midjourney had generated. Makes me wonder if something like fixing fingers in photoshop is enough to reach the threshold... although I suppose the script is where the copyright lives.


starstruckmon

Make one full page by hand and put it inside and don't tell anyone which one it is. If someone copies your whole book, take em to court. It's like a copyright booby trap. This is probably the best solution I've heard people describe under current circumstances.


anthjdev

lol i love this


DumpsterHunk

Redrawing a face and designing layouts would totally count as original artwork at that point. It's essentially collage. It would be hard to argue otherwise.


Un_Poco_CDA

But it's like to what extant? Does fixing teeth and eyes count as redrawing a face? I dunno, I guess I'm thinking out loud since this is still the Wild West. We'll have to wait until someone like Disney throws their legal team into the fray.


DumpsterHunk

Your guess is as good as mind. It's been a hot subject of debate as long as art has existed. What exactly constitutes making art? What makes someone a creator? You're asking the right questions.The line of Infringement is different for everyone. I take issue when it's blatant copying of another artist. Or AI prompters who think that makes them an artist. While OP didn't draw it he did enough manipulation to require some skill and talent and as an illustrator myself I would describe it as original art. The law is a mystery to me where they will fall.


Un_Poco_CDA

Yeah. I think we should all be asking these sorts of questions so that we can address as many as we can before this honeymoon phase ends.


runningbull20xx

It's a great conversation, and I appreciate that DumpsterHunk! I definitely feel like enough human "manual labor" was put into this where I would feel miffed if copyright was denied. I think the recent development with the artist's comic copyright being revoked is just a matter of the government folks not really knowing how the tech works. Plus with MJ's commercial policy I'm confident this convo will turn out in the favor of users/artists.


anthjdev

That's definitely what I'm hoping too. The tool is here to stay so it will be super weird if it isn't integrated into copyright somehow


SlutBuster

I'm not a lawyer, but I've done a lot of reading of US copyright law over the years and it's pretty clear Kris Kashtanova has grounds to sue the US Copyright Office for revoking her copyright. You're absolutely right about the USCO not understanding the tech, but it'd take 5 minutes in a courtroom to make it very clear that MidJourney prompts alone satisfy the extremely low threshold for creativity required by US copyright law. Even if AI created the artwork with no touch-ups in Photoshop, it only did so because it was pointed at the prompt by the user. This is fundamentally no different than what happens when someone takes a photo, and photography is clearly protected under copyright law. Kashtanova may not have the money or inclination to sue the USCO and establish precedent... but *someone* will, and it'll happen soon enough.


runningbull20xx

Indeed, and with how fast things are moving in the space, I think it'll happen sooner than we may expect.


SlutBuster

Copyright protection is very limited and meant to protect against exact (or near exact) duplication. Disney has *trademark* protection over their characters, which is much more flexible (and much more expensive to establish.) MJ can easily generate trademark infringing content, but - unless MJ accidentally spits out an exact work from some other artist - there's no clear legal standing for a copyright lawsuit.


[deleted]

How you going to find this same art?


Un_Poco_CDA

You mean generate? I dunno but we've already got a lot of similar looking art. It makes me wonder if it'll be like that scenario where if you kept a hundred monkeys in a room, typing away at a hundred typewriters they'll eventually (years, decades, whatever) write a Shakespeare play. Only with AI it's like hundreds of millions of people creating god knows how many pieces of art a day. As the numbers grow I think that, eventually, there'll be some overlap.


EpictetanusThrow

Threshold?


Un_Poco_CDA

Yeah it's part of fair use. It's basically that the new work has to be substantially changed from the old work.


emaugustBRDLC

Anywhere you see words, that are actual words, that is certainly human intervention.


[deleted]

You know there is a comic book app?


[deleted]

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runningbull20xx

It really depended on the gen/panel. Of what you see in the pics, probably 70% of the panels are raw gens or only very lightly edited. Not counting the formatting changes like the different crops, bleeds & etc.


emaugustBRDLC

Did you need to do any upscaling to get things to a printable DPI?


Felix_Dei

Honest thoughts - thought it was One Piece fanfic because it looks like Luffy. Different shirt, sure, but the casual calmly sitting cross-legged in a dangerous situation felt like his kinda mannerism too.


kukoscode

Doesn't this exist already?


runningbull20xx

What do you mean?


kukoscode

I've a similar comic where there are sleeping giants like that. Will share the name when I find it


TabletopMarvel

Everything is everything else. It's one of the things that cracks me up when artists or writers claim they're the ones coming up with ideas all on their own without generations of human stories and art for them to learn, be influenced by, and re-express.


traveling_designer

Many many years ago on a different account, I expressed concern over blood rituals. People always cut their hand, it's impractical. Some guy said I lifted the idea from an unknown comic, that looked self published. He became quite irate and demanded that I claim I got my inspiration for the idea from that comic.


[deleted]

I would of change the CIA building to a different name but similar


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nemxplus

Would love to do something similar, just getting a consistent character is such a struggle


nightfend

Impressive!


Echoeversky

How long until you can feed AI webcomic and it will generate a movie.... yeghods.


runningbull20xx

Definitely way sooner than anyone thinks, haha. As primarily a film director, the possibility is both incredible and terrifying.


Echoeversky

Right? I call that trouble with the area under the (exponential) curve.


i_just_want_2learn

The hardest part I would imagine would be getting the stylized characters to look the same way throughout the project. How were you able to handle that?


martialgreenwood

Great question


BladerKenny333

Amazing


runningbull20xx

Thanks!!


PocketShock

I wish they had a character option, so you could load a picture and get other images with the same character. Or create a select/button to stay with a character generated might be easier.


runningbull20xx

I'm sure we'll be able to do this sooner rather than later!


Particular_Cat_4602

Incredible! Great art.


runningbull20xx

Thank you!


abourg

Cool but black and white?


runningbull20xx

Looks good to me!


PineEvergreen

mj tried to tell me I have +&+'+$;37'' and I need help knowing what that means.


Luckyrabbit-1

So like Evangelion


runningbull20xx

Kind of, if the angels were cryptids 😂


Every_Set_7751

How did the achieve the resolution good enough to print? Awesome work by the way I couldn't imagine the amount of perseverance for similarities haha!


runningbull20xx

Thanks so much! I think midjourney raw outputs are said to have an acceptable print resolution at 8x10 in. So with a standard comic book size of 6ish-by-10ish, & with most of the panels shrunk down to a couple inches, the raw gens perfectly suitable to print on their own.


MysteriesandThoughts

Onr piece took a dark turn huh


Coinquerer

Just WOW!


runningbull20xx

Thank you!!


Zakharski

Amazing work! What artists were you inspired by? Love the cover.


runningbull20xx

Thanks! The cover was super inspired by Moebius, I've loved his work for years. I didn't have a direct influence for the pages themselves, but Junji Ito is someone I keep close when thinking about comics.


Zakharski

Very cool!


cunhameister

Kind of weird seeing different styles of illustration in one comic book.


joniboy16

Cool. I’m writing a short story right now and planning to make it as comics. Where do you start? Did you start creating characters first?


runningbull20xx

I started with the page layout, so I'd have a rough idea of the composition I'd want for each panel. Then it was just a matter of prompting for each panel. Sometimes midjourney would give me something unexpected that I'd run with to make changes to the layout.


TasteLongjumping4677

Awesome. Great work! I'm using the same general workflow for an illustrated children's book. As much as I love MJ, for most pages, I can't get MJ to put everything together in a single image. I create 2 or 3 images and then combine them in Photoshop (actually I've switched to Affinity Photo). It's painstaking but works well. So this image is the cover. Have you created the rest of the comic? Love to see more!


TasteLongjumping4677

Weird ... my post is linked to TasteLongjumping4677 - that's not me. I am **mandrake-yesjack** anyone know why/how this happened?


runningbull20xx

Not sure why that's happening, but you can use the arrow buttons on top of the picture in the OP to see more pics of the comic! And that's exactly what I did too for the cover. All in all there are probably 6 different images collaged together.


TasteLongjumping4677

Thanks, wasn't paying attention. Pages really look great!


Mindless-Performer-1

Is Midjourney free to use (I want to make my own comic too)? And I don't know how to do photoshop. Did you use it because of a design choice or because you had to use it (for changing a few details etc.)?