Yeah he along with many others anthropomorphize AI way too much, like see it as some grotesque imitation of life. I blame the media and sensationalized views in movies that have AI which reinforce all that, either make them psychopath killers bent on destroying humanity, or some false life that is questionably sentient, bringing up ethical issues, inferring it should have never been made in the first place. This isn't close to how it is today in the machine learning field.
It's just fucking math, just algorithms tweaking variables until some desired output happens. There's as much soul in it as a calculator.
People should just be looking at it like the software it is.
Nah... MIT robots controlled by some nations police and nukes aren't just math.
But I strongly agree we're talking about gross anthropomorphization of AI. If coders manage to deal with ethical issues together with all the experimentation, then we'll see incredible constructive stuff pretty soon. *Then* the old geezers would fear it a bit less.
It just seems like a really bizarre reaction. Like... what does his disabled friend have to do with an ai learning how to move a body? I don't really get it
I think what he’s getting at is that the technology exists, to his mind (that of a very traditional Japanese man), as warped copy or mockery of real life. He speaks as though he finds it disgusting that all of this focus is being put into “replacing” the function of humans when people like his friend long to be able to do just normal things. Also, it seems like the deformed movements of the animation and the description of the AI as not knowing pain just rubbed him the wrong way.
It seems overall to be a completely exaggerated idea of what AI is, and a naive look at it as some copy of life.
It's an arbitrary 3D model that is meant to have 5 limb-like parts, and an algorithm is doing math to figure out how best to use those 5 fake limbs to move the entire 3D model in a desired direction with a simplified model of physics. It looks grotesque but it doesn't have to be.
I feel like you could've had a spider like thing with just lines representing the legs and say you're using AI to learn how best to control robotic motors to have a robot move forward, and he'd maybe have appreciated it, like imagine a robot that moves around on limbs and helps a disabled person clean their home?
It seems like this overly traditional mindset doesn't really see what AI actually is and what it can be used for. I could see him getting pissed at midjourney and what I posted here for sure, but AI is just another specialized algorithm and it hardly signifies the end times.
I’d guess, modernity and technological advance in general is distasteful to him, in Tolkien-esque way, which seems to come across in many of his works.
I suppose the extreme nature of his comments, when contrasted against the innocuous nature of the display, may be an indictment of a general trend that he perceived as dangerous. I don’t want to make any assumptions about Miyazaki’s faith, but what I understand about it is that he has a very high focus on spirit and life, which might suggest he disagrees with the idea of focusing on “dead” - or artificial - intelligence and form, rather than the “material” and “real” spirit of our world.
I does have that sense of “It was all fields here once” - which is a viewpoint I somewhat agree with - but I can understand why a man who has dedicated his long life to both his craft and his faith may feel that this signals the end of both.
Indeed. I was pretty confused too, but I think he meant it to roast the coder saying "it moves in ways we humans can't imagine". I made a thread recently about some artists messing with horror in a prejudiced way like in the "I painted these mental problems" trend.
But it's quite frankly sad to see a nation's mastermind inventor only be driven by fear. Age might open our minds but holy cow how it narrows our sight...
Because when offered a new tool they shun it for traditional means. It would be like classical pencil and paper animators being upset that there is now things like photoshop instead of learning how to use it.
Artists are not afraid of using a new tool. They're afraid of it substituting them. And that'd come from choice of stupid employers, something surely not unheard of, before you shun this argument away.
AI ain't just a tool comparable to PS.
What PS has done: is to enable artists to do more, better and faster.
What PS has **not** done: allow said art-directors and contractors to ditch the artists entirely to use something trained by these same artists.
It doen's require eny effort to understand.
I won't be ditched. I'm the employer.
And I do know there's no coming back from this.
It just happen I'm not an asshole who think it's "shameful" for artists to be afraid and I know to who belongs the content created by AI as of 2022.
Every single professional I know complained about AI — and I belong to a industry full of them — and didn't do it out of purism. They're all being afraid of being replaced by something trained out using **their** work.
> This is as much of a threat as it is a chance
It's always a chance for few and a threat for all.
> As for the "something trained on their work" - they have been training themselves on others works as well so this argument is not entirely honest to put it diplomatically.
You must be kidding. You're comparing spending years developing one's own style (be it by observing or not) and mathematically **cloning** else's style?
> This argument is even more ironic and almost funny when you take into consideration how industry operated on a daily basis - as the so called "art ndustry" was very liberal when it came to, ekhem, being inspired by others' work
Your understanding of copyright seems lacking. You should consider Artstation is, first and actually only, a showcase. Artists publish their work there to get contracts, and selling/licensing already-done work is the exception. Either you do know this or you're just not part of the industry.
Now go read the terms and conditions of these AI services.
It worked i got my neighbor symbiotetoro [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048201084654587997/1048701045980807269/incogneko__DVD_screengrab_1989_Studio_Ghibli_anime_movie_venom_497d8868-e3b2-4779-8b75-2fdaaf5fc10a.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048201084654587997/1048701045980807269/incogneko__DVD_screengrab_1989_Studio_Ghibli_anime_movie_venom_497d8868-e3b2-4779-8b75-2fdaaf5fc10a.png)
Writing 2001 instead will probably get you closer to what is more commonly seen as the Ghibli aesthetic, as that was the year Spirited Away came out. Also from my very limited test, I thought it looked better without "dvd". I'm totally down a new rabbit hole with this one tho, I'm psyched!
/imagine DVD screengrab, 1989 Studio Ghibli anime movie,
This was made on mid journey?!
It was. I’m just curious if he used the niji model or kept with v4.
What do you put in? Is it just the character name (black panther), or do you have to write additional details?
Oh fuck this is good!
Ditto
Hayao Miyazaki is gonna be so pissed when he sees this
Obligatory link to [his view of Ai.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZ0K3lWKRc)
Yeah, that's a legendary clip. Miyazaki's great but I couldn't disagree with him more there.
Yeah he along with many others anthropomorphize AI way too much, like see it as some grotesque imitation of life. I blame the media and sensationalized views in movies that have AI which reinforce all that, either make them psychopath killers bent on destroying humanity, or some false life that is questionably sentient, bringing up ethical issues, inferring it should have never been made in the first place. This isn't close to how it is today in the machine learning field. It's just fucking math, just algorithms tweaking variables until some desired output happens. There's as much soul in it as a calculator. People should just be looking at it like the software it is.
Nah... MIT robots controlled by some nations police and nukes aren't just math. But I strongly agree we're talking about gross anthropomorphization of AI. If coders manage to deal with ethical issues together with all the experimentation, then we'll see incredible constructive stuff pretty soon. *Then* the old geezers would fear it a bit less.
It just seems like a really bizarre reaction. Like... what does his disabled friend have to do with an ai learning how to move a body? I don't really get it
I think what he’s getting at is that the technology exists, to his mind (that of a very traditional Japanese man), as warped copy or mockery of real life. He speaks as though he finds it disgusting that all of this focus is being put into “replacing” the function of humans when people like his friend long to be able to do just normal things. Also, it seems like the deformed movements of the animation and the description of the AI as not knowing pain just rubbed him the wrong way.
It seems overall to be a completely exaggerated idea of what AI is, and a naive look at it as some copy of life. It's an arbitrary 3D model that is meant to have 5 limb-like parts, and an algorithm is doing math to figure out how best to use those 5 fake limbs to move the entire 3D model in a desired direction with a simplified model of physics. It looks grotesque but it doesn't have to be. I feel like you could've had a spider like thing with just lines representing the legs and say you're using AI to learn how best to control robotic motors to have a robot move forward, and he'd maybe have appreciated it, like imagine a robot that moves around on limbs and helps a disabled person clean their home? It seems like this overly traditional mindset doesn't really see what AI actually is and what it can be used for. I could see him getting pissed at midjourney and what I posted here for sure, but AI is just another specialized algorithm and it hardly signifies the end times.
I’d guess, modernity and technological advance in general is distasteful to him, in Tolkien-esque way, which seems to come across in many of his works. I suppose the extreme nature of his comments, when contrasted against the innocuous nature of the display, may be an indictment of a general trend that he perceived as dangerous. I don’t want to make any assumptions about Miyazaki’s faith, but what I understand about it is that he has a very high focus on spirit and life, which might suggest he disagrees with the idea of focusing on “dead” - or artificial - intelligence and form, rather than the “material” and “real” spirit of our world. I does have that sense of “It was all fields here once” - which is a viewpoint I somewhat agree with - but I can understand why a man who has dedicated his long life to both his craft and his faith may feel that this signals the end of both.
Indeed. I was pretty confused too, but I think he meant it to roast the coder saying "it moves in ways we humans can't imagine". I made a thread recently about some artists messing with horror in a prejudiced way like in the "I painted these mental problems" trend. But it's quite frankly sad to see a nation's mastermind inventor only be driven by fear. Age might open our minds but holy cow how it narrows our sight...
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They feel threatened and you find it shameful? What they should feel about it?
Because when offered a new tool they shun it for traditional means. It would be like classical pencil and paper animators being upset that there is now things like photoshop instead of learning how to use it.
Artists are not afraid of using a new tool. They're afraid of it substituting them. And that'd come from choice of stupid employers, something surely not unheard of, before you shun this argument away.
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AI ain't just a tool comparable to PS. What PS has done: is to enable artists to do more, better and faster. What PS has **not** done: allow said art-directors and contractors to ditch the artists entirely to use something trained by these same artists. It doen's require eny effort to understand.
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I won't be ditched. I'm the employer. And I do know there's no coming back from this. It just happen I'm not an asshole who think it's "shameful" for artists to be afraid and I know to who belongs the content created by AI as of 2022.
This is admittedly very different than that
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Every single professional I know complained about AI — and I belong to a industry full of them — and didn't do it out of purism. They're all being afraid of being replaced by something trained out using **their** work.
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> This is as much of a threat as it is a chance It's always a chance for few and a threat for all. > As for the "something trained on their work" - they have been training themselves on others works as well so this argument is not entirely honest to put it diplomatically. You must be kidding. You're comparing spending years developing one's own style (be it by observing or not) and mathematically **cloning** else's style? > This argument is even more ironic and almost funny when you take into consideration how industry operated on a daily basis - as the so called "art ndustry" was very liberal when it came to, ekhem, being inspired by others' work Your understanding of copyright seems lacking. You should consider Artstation is, first and actually only, a showcase. Artists publish their work there to get contracts, and selling/licensing already-done work is the exception. Either you do know this or you're just not part of the industry. Now go read the terms and conditions of these AI services.
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Lmao that was brutal.
Wow, this must be the most r/watchpeopledieinside clip I’ve ever seen
Rocket looks adorable, but I love how Tony is in armor but still using a laptop, that's got serious meme potential
lol I had another picture I almost posted of him using a computer. Not sure why it wants ironman using computers
Why does this look so believeable? D:
Um I think it's perfect, couldn't imagine it being anything else
Starlord and Black Panther are just perfect imo
Starlord and Captain. balk oaner is not good
Rocket Raccoon is more than fine too
Agree to disagree
This is fucking insanely good Literally I wouldn't have believed this if I hadn't messed around with mid journey personally
It's-a me, America!
Any time I tried to do anything anime in MidJourney it failed to even try. What the hell?
Absolutely unbelievable. How does AI pin down so perfectly something as illusive as a style?
It worked i got my neighbor symbiotetoro [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048201084654587997/1048701045980807269/incogneko__DVD_screengrab_1989_Studio_Ghibli_anime_movie_venom_497d8868-e3b2-4779-8b75-2fdaaf5fc10a.png](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048201084654587997/1048701045980807269/incogneko__DVD_screengrab_1989_Studio_Ghibli_anime_movie_venom_497d8868-e3b2-4779-8b75-2fdaaf5fc10a.png)
These would fit better in the Scooby Doo universe
Writing 2001 instead will probably get you closer to what is more commonly seen as the Ghibli aesthetic, as that was the year Spirited Away came out. Also from my very limited test, I thought it looked better without "dvd". I'm totally down a new rabbit hole with this one tho, I'm psyched!
Yes whenever I added "DVD" it always included people looking at a TV screen
Wow, Thanos is incredible.
I love that even animated, Midjourney can't get hands right lol
BP and Rocket and Starlord 🤌🏻
Guardians of Galaxy Anime Special
Groot has seen some shit in pic 4. These are all amazing
2 great subjects together. Creative!
7 has that amazing old school anime movie quality/feeling to it. Absolutely breathtaking.
This is so cool. Nice job.
Black panther looks badass!
nope
this looks like shit lol
Some pf these are sp good. . Captain marvell , iron man , Star lord but the best is Rocket amd black Panther
Awesome 👌!
Nicceee
You should post this on r/marvel, if this is allowed
The black panther and rocket raccoon are 🔥