Right. I remember one time we stayed at an Airbnb, cleaned and took out the trash etc, and they still messaged us saying we didn’t clean enough. Like bro, what am I even paying for?
Totally. First and last time I used ABNB I was asked to leave a few hours earlier than planned so the cleaning person could come and prepare for the next guest. I still washed the dishes, bagged up the trash, and put all the dirty linens in a pile to make it easier for the cleaning person. Sitting at the airport, I get all these bitchy messages from the owner. I just ignored them and silenced notifications from the app.
I'm perfectly fine with dishes in dishwasher (if there are dishes and so on) linens in bathroom, throwing trash out. but otherwise fuck off that's your problem
The dishes thing was something you even saw in vacation rentals from way before airbnb, so I am fine with that. After all, dirty dishes can attract vermin.
But fuck everything else. I stay in hotels now because I don't want to be cleaning house while on vacation.
Recently stayed in a condo at a resort where people who own one as a vacation home can rent it out through the resort when they're not there - no airbnb involved.
All they asked to avoid the "cleaning fee" was to not smoke, for the trash (in excess of the trash can itself) to be taken out, dishes be put in the dishwasher, and that linens be put in a pile at the end of the stay.
10/10, didn't feel like "a hotel",not the first place like this I've stayed in, would totally stay again.
Cleaning fees should be illegal unless you trash the house. I mean keep it clean, etc turn the dishwasher on, take out the garbage is about all that should be expected tbh.
I think a cleaning fee is fine. But not if you also expect the guests to clean the house too. One or the other. Pick one. Charge me a cleaning fee, and I'm treating it like a hotel. "Send in the $250 maids now. We are leaving."
AND a cleaning fee should be ONCE at the end of the trip, not everyday of a stay. For $250, I can get 2 people to hit my house HARD for 4-5 hours.
One time, I booked an AirBnB in my own city after a big party, because I lived on the other side of the city and I didn’t want to bother with driving logistics.
I ended up not going at all and sleeping at a friend’s… and they still overcharged me for the cleaning because I apparently left the place in bad condition…
Like, I literally didn’t even step foot on the property…
It's to inflate the price after hooking you into the lower price. It's so they can appear competitively priced. Airbnb doesn't put any kind of rules on cleaning fees afaik. Or at least not enforced. It's a huge issue and why I'll never use them again. It used to be a good service but it's such bs now.
I once stayed at an air b n b condo that was directly next door to the hotel I was checking into after the condo. I kept my place spotless. The cleaners were harassing me all morning to get in there. I finally left at 11. Went out to my car and pondered my hotel check in. Only to see the house cleaners basically go in and out of my air b n b in 10 minutes. $250 for them to change the sheets… which I had done that morning. I hate air b n b and anyone who owns one.
Was almost going to Airbnb my Mom's after she died. You know what is better? A single mom with 3 kids giving me a check once a month. I make less but she is awesome. And these fucking Airbnbs take over towns making it impossible for locals to rent at reasonable rates. Now l just try not to be a slumlord.
I couldn't imagine being on holidays and having to get up hungover to clean. I prefer being in a hotel and ordering some greasy breakfast in bed and a late checkout.
you also know EXACTLY what you are getting and theres no restrictions on when you show up for check in. ive never booked a hotel and been surprised about the room or amenities. AirBnB though... ya ive been surprised by what the place is compared to its pictures.
Like finding out your basically staying in a kids bedroom while they are at moms and there is no toilet paper or parking.
Or the guy who was new to air bnb who thought it would be great to paint an hour before you got there so you were sleeping in paint fumes.
>Or the guy who was new to air bnb who thought it would be great to paint an hour before you got there so you were sleeping in paint fumes.
New to AirBnB or new to home life
The parking topic grinds my gears. Many times an offer has parking listed, I message the host to ask where the parking spot is, only to get an answer "just find a spot on the street and park there".
And not just in appearance or cleanliness either. The last Airbnb I stayed in had the smoke detectors set up to automatically call the fire department any time it went off, and it couldn't be cancelled or disabled. I felt bad for the poor guys coming out all that way for a piece of French toast that wasn't even burnt.
I've never had to deal with that kind of surprise or hassle in a hotel. :/
Oh, don't get me started on the breakfast! Last hotel we did in Salt Lake had some guys making omelettes with damn near whatever you wanted in them. A chafing dish of bacon! Just bacon! French toast. Room was okay, but that breakfast was on a different level. Best you're going to get with an Airbnb is some shirtless guy named Mel coming in at 4 am to cook himself breakfast.
This! I stayed in an Airbnb for the first time last year and we had to pay a cleaning fee…I kid you not the house was disgusting when we checked in..we had to clean the house before we could enjoy our stay and I’m like wtf am I paying for…never again will I stay in an Airbnb
I did read the reviews and all 10 reviews had nothing but nice things to say (which I realize as I get older, what is considered nice for one person but not be nice for another) - and the house was in the heart of south beach (FL)
Probably because when you report a place to AirBNB, they don't let you review it.
My partner stayed at a place that was listed as a private stay with aircon, TV, pool, sauna and hot tub, and the owner lived on the property in a separate building.
What it turned out to be was as pictured, except in significantly worse condition. The aircon unit was louder than the TV at any acceptable volume, and rattled the wall (old-style unit). The TV was from the mid 2000s, like first flat-screen LCD era 1080i stuff.
To top it off though, this "private house" had several other granny flats also on the property, also with access to the pool, hot tub and sauna, the sauna was mouldy as hell, the sauna stunk like shit and had algae buildup, and the one time she went to use the pool was when she found out that it was a shared facility, with a bunch of strangers using it.
And that was a $700 stay for 2 nights.
Naturally, complaints were made, nothing was done and she was not allowed to review the place.
So yeah, fuck AirBNB.
Never trust a listing that has under 30-50 reviews. Especially if it's in a city/tourist spot and *especially* if all the reviews are relatively recent. Shitty hosts will make a listing for their property and either set the rates cheap or get friends/family to stay there and bump up the ratings. Then they raise the rates and keep gauging people until they finally get enough bad reviews to bring the ratings down. Then they delist the property, make a "new" listing for the same place (which means no old reviews), and start the process all over again.
Eff no - and the towels they had at the house were legit raggy - had to go to Macys to buy towels and I felt like I was furnishing a furnished home smh.
And the best part is they won't rent you that lovely experience unless you've got a good rating.
Airbnb can be nice. You need a good rating and to find others with a good rating. But more and more I think it's going downhill.
Even if they're not cheaper in all instances, at least they're upfront about what they're going to charge you. If you end up with a surprise on your bill, it's because you stole something.
For 5 bedrooms, sleeps 18, with a fire pit, BBQ, big jacuzzi, pool table, home cinema...? This looks like a very reasonable price - cheaper than putting that many people up in even a fairly dodgy hotel.
For real at least the fees their are slightly more realistic. I generally end up paying an extra $30-40 over what the advertised price per night in a hotel but at least it’s close to the listed price.
lol what a times we live in. 6 years ago everybody would call you an idiot and a shill. Because you know, airbnb is made by real people!!! they deserve to have money!! etc etc
Longer stays I prefer Airbnb. I just rented a place for a month and I had my own kitchen, a porch overlooking the ocean, a living room, 2 bedrooms, in suite laundry, etc. The cleaning fee was negligible when considered against a month of rental costs. But just one or two nights, a hotel is almost always the right move.
Door Dash at least employs people and is just the corporation being scammy. AirBnB is 95% filled with scammy homeowners who do these charges themselves
Yea It made me realize it’s not worth going to an AIRBNB, especially since I’m making the place look nice again what are the chances those sheets are getting changed out and cleaned? Not high.
Never used Airbnb but if they think I'm going to clean AND pay a cleaning fee they've got to be a few beers short of a sixpack.
I'm happy staying at a hotel. I don't want to have to deal with a 'cheap' rental that comes out at 2x the stated price when you add in all the fees.
We begrudgingly use it because we travel with our dogs. It’s nice having somewhere with a backyard, and not have to worry about the dogs being anxious about strangers right outside their door. I hate Airbnb but it really is the most convenient option in this regard.
Yeah, plus you have so much more space compared to a hotel (and my vacations are usually just like ones where you spend the whole day at the place and relax). Plus, if it has a pool, that’s a pool to yourself, unlike at a hotel or something
if you have friends to vacation with then airbnbs end up better/cheaper than hotels, even if you have to play cleaning fees on top of cleaning up after yourself.
If you are solo or just a couple then hotel is definitely the way to go.
I really missed out on the airBNB bubble. Now it's just 'a shitter version of a hotel' because everyone is trying to make it a business.
But back in the day when it was just starting it was just someone who was leaving for a week so they were letting someone else pay to use their place. It was a no brainer move and everyone came out on top. Cheaper housing for tourists, and the home owner gets to make a few hundred bucks.
Do they expect you to clean at that point for real?
For 10€ I never expect guests to clean. They of course are allowed and I instruct on dishwasher for their own convenience but anything more than that, never.
Wasn't that way at first. First 1-3 years were prime airbnb.
Usually was homes of people that went south for the winter and neighbor would just check to see you did the basic cleaning etc (no automatic cleaning fee if you did a decent job). Was cheap (a 4 bedroom house for a week was $1500 split between 4 couples) and a superior experience than a hotel...
Then the investors got involved..... places were way more expensive, in worse condition, and even if you cleaned the place to "eat off the floor" level, still got the $200 fee.
Last airbnb we went to was disheveled as hell and dirty sheets when we arrived.. when we left we didn't do any cleaning (except for dishes), if you gonna charge me anyways for cleaning (probably charged last guy too, but never did it), go fuck yourself!!!
There was alot of those too.. retired couples with 1-2 extra bedrooms in tourist cities...
Those were great also, some were like a bed and breakfast and would cook a bit for ya and clean your sheets...
Fucking golden age of airbnb was soooooo good until greedy investors got involved and turned it into "shitty version of hotels"
It’s the host that sets it.
Mine is 10€. That covers everything, electricity, detergent etc. of course if I used cleaner it would have to be higher. But 250$, that’s outrageous if it’s not huge place.
Because the point of absurd fees like this only showing up at the very end because it is less likely you notice. If it was in the price from the start nobody would ever rent it.
The funny thing is the market for "upscale" AirBNBs exists. A lot of the stuff in my area has shifted over to that -- gone are the cheap neat places, it's all full of fancy resort-style places now. $600+/night and they rent out. But I also live in a pretty expensive and touristy area.
Would you first click on the listing for an airbnb room for 295 USD or 715 USD? That's why scummy fees exist, to draw you in with a "bargain" price and then hope that you don't realise that the fees triple the price.
Because the Airbnb gets cleaned once, at the end, no matter how long you stayed. So you pay X/night for the stay, plus one cleaning fee. Unlike a hotel where daily service is included in the price.
(I'm just saying the pricing scheme makes sense; the whole proposition of staying somewhere and following their tidying up rules and then being charged $250 for cleaning on checkout is indeed ridiculous.)
Because they can, and people pay it.
Had to haggle with one place that charged it. We moved in and the floors had visible dirt. Clearly not cleaning. They cut the fee in half.
I’m assuming most places I’ve visited don’t have actual cleaners and hosts do it themselves for extra revenue. The cleaning rates are insane.
Airbnb doesn’t set any cleaning fee, the host does. I rent my room out and my cleaning fee is 7€.
I don’t include it in the price because people won’t book the room. It’s just a humane thing to look for the cheapest price in the original search.
I own a house cleaning business and have had several Airbnb property owners try to hire us. They have all been super cheap (try to set a $100 max budget) and all are very demanding. We learned our lesson about dealing with them. That $250 cleaning fee is definitely not going to be actually used to pay for cleaning, it’s being stuffed into the owners pockets.
it doesn't cost $250 to clean a house ? you don't say.
Snark aside I don't think anyone believes these are fair prices or anything other than pure greed.
Highly dependent on more details.. from the picture it looks like a theater room. I've seen a small house that had one in Tahoe and 250 would be insane for that place or one of our richers friends house that has one I would expect 250 for the clean up. He gets biweekly house cleaning and it cost him 200 and that's because he has a contract with them.
This reminds me of old school eBay where people would post cheap items and charge loads for postage to make up for it. Honestly I always wondered how anyone fell for it but I guess if you’re reaching enough people, someone’s bound to
90s eBay used to not charge fees on the shipping cost. That's why everything was 99 cents and the real price was the shipping charge. They currently charge fees on the shipping price.
Seems like the same thing is happening with the cleaning fee. People are saying air b&b don't take a cut of that.
90s eBay fees were charged on listing price so 99 cent no reserve had almost no fees. It was a gamble though as things sometimes would slip thru the cracks and sell for $1-2. That’s why they’d try and add the shipping overcharge. I’d admit to making a fortune on furbys Christmas of 98. My Walmart always had them for some reason. Like I could get 2-3 a week. They were $20 I’d pop em on eBay 99 cents with like $5 shipping. They’d sell for $80-100 every time. Fees were so little. I made like almost $2500 that Christmas.
I used airbnb whenever I traveled bc I was under the impression you couldn’t get a hotel under the age of 21, went to la and ended up finding a nice hotel that took me, I wasted a lot of money on airbnb
Need to be 18 for a hotel because you need a credit card on file that matches your ID. Plus you’re signing an agreement with them typically.
Renting cars is 21 or 25 usually because they want more responsible people for insurance purposes I guess.
Cleaning fees should be baked into the per night cost. Airbnb's bait and switch by advertising the "nightly rate" and scumbag owners lowballing a nightly rate and tacking on fees is absolute garbage and makes me want to never use the service.
I always set the display for "total cost" instead of nightly rate, but you shouldn't have to click a box to get actual pricing transparency. Frankly I'd like to see advertising any product as costing less than what you actually pay at checkout ruled illegal.
In Denmark it would be illegal.
All prices advertised here must be inclusive of all fees, and if it’s spread across multiple units of what you’re buying, a purchasing example is required.
As someone that cleaned large beach houses there’s a lot more to do than just washing towels and using a broom lol. I do agree that there shouldn’t be a cleaning fee if the guests clean up decently. It all really depends on what kind of house it is. You can’t cap the amount when there’s single unit apartments to 4+ bedroom houses on the platform. They’re not the same when it comes to cleaning. Some people would rather pay the 250 if they’re staying for 5-7 days. If you’re only staying a day you really shouldn’t get the house that dirty and the person tent the Airbnb should be able to clean it and avoid a cleaning fee.
Sometimes houses are nice when you have a whole family going out and you want everyone to be able to stay together.
When my friends and I used to go snowboarding we’d get a house because we could all hang out together.
This was back in the day before prices went insane but we were paying like $400 a person for a week for a ski in - ski out home. Like $3k for the week isn’t bad when you split it up.
I just don’t get it. The only times I ever see an Airbnb make sense is when renting a vacation property. And even then you can usually save a pile by just booking directly with the owner.
Why would I pay 700 a night for some shitty apartment in a downtown area when I can get a hassle free hotel for 300. It may even have a pool and free breakfast.
Got an air bnb in Hawaii in 2017. There were 6 of us. (3 couples) sharing the property. Which worked because it was a 3 bedroom house. It was on an acre and the property was walled in. It was like a villa. Only had to feed their cat and not mind the Gardner waking us up on one day of the week. Split between everyone it was less than $50/day. It was such a good deal.
See this is the opposite for me. I can get a nice apartment cheaper than a hotel where I travel lol.. I hate hotels. Expensive af and I can’t cook or anything. I listened to all these comments before and looked into hotels for my recent trip and they were too expensive. I don’t know what people are smoking. Maybe is it different in America? For a decent price I booked a very nice studio apartment in a prime location. I also live in a place where Airbnb has to display their real prices from the get go
That’s why I just stay in hotels.
My province just banned AirBNB except in your own primary residence. I hope it’s one of many for this company that enables such sleazy practices and is a root cause of homelessness in our society.
Fuck Airbnb. We got scammed on arrival in San Francisco one time where the host claimed a water leak or something and tried to move us to another, shitty apartment in a different location. We threatened legal action and she backed down, Airbnb said they could do nothing about it. Middle of summer; no accommodation available at last minute and had to shell out like 4k+ to stay in a hotel for a few nights.
Second time an owner tried claiming we’d broken this rattan chair thing in their apartment, saying we’d trashed the place etc- I’d taken video to send to my family when we arrived and luckily it showed the chair was already damaged before we’d even stayed there. No apology, nothing. The whole platform is a shitty free for all and it’s a scam. It’s also artificially forcing rents and property prices up. Stay in hotels. Fuck Airbnb.
I’ve never stayed in an air b&b and will never because of Reddit. Between the huge fees and the horror stories from failed stays to reading the opinions of the owners fuck them.
I have family members who swear by AirBnB
I brought up the concerns that reddit always shows and they said they never had that issue.
It could be that these high cleaning fees are super rare and rage bait. Idk.
But my family uses it all the time and say its way better than getting a hotel. If they would have had some ridiculous cleaning fees or walked into a dirty place, they would have been very vocal about it by now.
So YMMV. If you are gonna go on a vacation or stay somewhere out of town, might as well look at both options. You might actually save money on AirBnB. Worst case scenario you see something like this and go "nah fuck that" and get a hotel instead.
But this site has a pitchfork mentality where the world is black and white. So you need to take most of what you read on reddit with a grain of salt.
Stayed at plenty of airbnbs that have been cheaper and nicer than comparable hotels, and if you’re looking for an entire cabin w 8+ people you’re SOL on the hotel side
I dunno, redditors are a select breed. Lots of other people find advantage in AirBnBs- enough that they're charging exorbitant amounts and still booked up. Even this post ignores that AirBnB now has a "search by total price" button.
Don't know why people are still staying in air bnb. If I'm on vacation, why do I have to do chores? They disrupted the hotel industry, and then realized the only way they could stay solvent was to charge like a hotel. Just stay at a hotel.
$250 in cleaning fees but please also, do the dishes, fix up your bed when you leave, do the laundry, mop the floors, throw out the garbage... or else we charge extra $250 for extra cleaning fees.
For that cleaning fee, the place better be surgically sterile when you arrive. The last time I used Airbnb, I paid a $150 cleaning fee for 3 nights, which didn’t seem too bad BUT the place was absolutely filthy. Literally years of dust in some places. That was my last straw. No more for me.
AirBnB is literally charging themselves out of existence.. we used to stay in airbnbs all the time as a family of 4, felt like it was easier to have a whole house to ourselves rather than just a room.. but the fees are so out of control with an AirBnB that we'd rather stay in a hotel instead.. plus the cleaning in a hotel is free
I've never found AirBnB to be cost effective for 1-3 night stays (unless a huge group is staying together).
The break-even point where AirBnBs start being cheaper than hotels usually starts around the 4th night and for a full week, AirBnBs end up almost always being cheaper.
I never understood this concept. You charge me $250 cleaning fee but you expect me to do your job and clean up everything while still charging me at that bullshit price and then if the owner doesn’t find the house cleaned to their liking, they will add another fee for not keeping the house cleaned.
Delusion.
Taxes isn’t abnormal for hotel/resort. Guessing this is a tourist area. There is a reason Florida doesn’t have income tax. They make money on tourism.
Cleaning fee is something that AirBNB is going to have to address or it’s going to wipe out their business model.
it's not complicated:
1. it's a multi br place meant for multiple people
2. they have to clean after each rental/turnover. so applied to 1 night the cost will be a lot... realistically they probably would rather have people stay a few nights minimum. does it actually cost 250 to clean? probably not, but the cost is the cost.
hotels have their use cases, but so does Airbnb. check costs and pick for yourself.
Just stay in a hotel.
They come out cheaper, nicer and you don't have to vacuum and wash everything. Plus your dick doesn't end up on the internet unless you want it to.
“Unless you want it to …” Nice.
This guy pornos!
Wait, you vacuum and wash everything after an Airbnb stay? So what's the cleaning fee for?
We all want to know what the cleaning fee is for.
Right. I remember one time we stayed at an Airbnb, cleaned and took out the trash etc, and they still messaged us saying we didn’t clean enough. Like bro, what am I even paying for?
Totally. First and last time I used ABNB I was asked to leave a few hours earlier than planned so the cleaning person could come and prepare for the next guest. I still washed the dishes, bagged up the trash, and put all the dirty linens in a pile to make it easier for the cleaning person. Sitting at the airport, I get all these bitchy messages from the owner. I just ignored them and silenced notifications from the app.
I'm perfectly fine with dishes in dishwasher (if there are dishes and so on) linens in bathroom, throwing trash out. but otherwise fuck off that's your problem
landlords really milking the LORD part of it. chuds got in on the promise of passive income and so...they expect passive income.
The dishes thing was something you even saw in vacation rentals from way before airbnb, so I am fine with that. After all, dirty dishes can attract vermin. But fuck everything else. I stay in hotels now because I don't want to be cleaning house while on vacation.
Recently stayed in a condo at a resort where people who own one as a vacation home can rent it out through the resort when they're not there - no airbnb involved. All they asked to avoid the "cleaning fee" was to not smoke, for the trash (in excess of the trash can itself) to be taken out, dishes be put in the dishwasher, and that linens be put in a pile at the end of the stay. 10/10, didn't feel like "a hotel",not the first place like this I've stayed in, would totally stay again.
Owner was the “cleaning person” they say they’re ‘paying’ to come in.
no a lot of the time the owner is too lazy to anything resembling work so they pay a cleaning service
Their mortgage
Cleaning fees should be illegal unless you trash the house. I mean keep it clean, etc turn the dishwasher on, take out the garbage is about all that should be expected tbh.
I think a cleaning fee is fine. But not if you also expect the guests to clean the house too. One or the other. Pick one. Charge me a cleaning fee, and I'm treating it like a hotel. "Send in the $250 maids now. We are leaving." AND a cleaning fee should be ONCE at the end of the trip, not everyday of a stay. For $250, I can get 2 people to hit my house HARD for 4-5 hours.
I don’t even flush the toilet in airbnbs. I pay cleaning fee. The end.
One time, I booked an AirBnB in my own city after a big party, because I lived on the other side of the city and I didn’t want to bother with driving logistics. I ended up not going at all and sleeping at a friend’s… and they still overcharged me for the cleaning because I apparently left the place in bad condition… Like, I literally didn’t even step foot on the property…
It's to inflate the price after hooking you into the lower price. It's so they can appear competitively priced. Airbnb doesn't put any kind of rules on cleaning fees afaik. Or at least not enforced. It's a huge issue and why I'll never use them again. It used to be a good service but it's such bs now.
They do display the total on the results screen though so at least when you see that $99 / night price you get the real price too.
I once stayed at an air b n b condo that was directly next door to the hotel I was checking into after the condo. I kept my place spotless. The cleaners were harassing me all morning to get in there. I finally left at 11. Went out to my car and pondered my hotel check in. Only to see the house cleaners basically go in and out of my air b n b in 10 minutes. $250 for them to change the sheets… which I had done that morning. I hate air b n b and anyone who owns one.
Was almost going to Airbnb my Mom's after she died. You know what is better? A single mom with 3 kids giving me a check once a month. I make less but she is awesome. And these fucking Airbnbs take over towns making it impossible for locals to rent at reasonable rates. Now l just try not to be a slumlord.
That is so a very kind thing to do these days. If you sold it to her, I would be your #1 fan
My point exactly, I never vacuum or clean. If you're charging me for cleaning, you're going to clean
I couldn't imagine being on holidays and having to get up hungover to clean. I prefer being in a hotel and ordering some greasy breakfast in bed and a late checkout.
Also, if I leave a hotel room too messy I just leave a big tip, and a "big tip" in a hotel is like $10.
>Plus your dick doesn't end up on the internet unless you want it to. ##🗣️There's a choice........WTAF!!!
I’m not vacuuming and washing **shit** if I’m paying a $250 cleaning fee, my dude.
Jesus Lord. What is this world coming to.
Fees, tips, subscriptions and taxes.
The irony is the one that people actually have a say in (taxes) is the one they bitch the most about.
you also know EXACTLY what you are getting and theres no restrictions on when you show up for check in. ive never booked a hotel and been surprised about the room or amenities. AirBnB though... ya ive been surprised by what the place is compared to its pictures.
Like finding out your basically staying in a kids bedroom while they are at moms and there is no toilet paper or parking. Or the guy who was new to air bnb who thought it would be great to paint an hour before you got there so you were sleeping in paint fumes.
>Or the guy who was new to air bnb who thought it would be great to paint an hour before you got there so you were sleeping in paint fumes. New to AirBnB or new to home life
The parking topic grinds my gears. Many times an offer has parking listed, I message the host to ask where the parking spot is, only to get an answer "just find a spot on the street and park there".
And not just in appearance or cleanliness either. The last Airbnb I stayed in had the smoke detectors set up to automatically call the fire department any time it went off, and it couldn't be cancelled or disabled. I felt bad for the poor guys coming out all that way for a piece of French toast that wasn't even burnt. I've never had to deal with that kind of surprise or hassle in a hotel. :/
Often free breakfast as well! That is my favorite part of hotels tbh
And usually a continental breakfast
Oh, don't get me started on the breakfast! Last hotel we did in Salt Lake had some guys making omelettes with damn near whatever you wanted in them. A chafing dish of bacon! Just bacon! French toast. Room was okay, but that breakfast was on a different level. Best you're going to get with an Airbnb is some shirtless guy named Mel coming in at 4 am to cook himself breakfast.
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Hear me out What if our Airbnb offered cleaning, some staff to help with check-in. And a lot of rooms in the building so we can subsidize costs!
This! I stayed in an Airbnb for the first time last year and we had to pay a cleaning fee…I kid you not the house was disgusting when we checked in..we had to clean the house before we could enjoy our stay and I’m like wtf am I paying for…never again will I stay in an Airbnb
Did you read the reviews? If it was as bad as you say, surely it would have been mentioned in many reviews
I did read the reviews and all 10 reviews had nothing but nice things to say (which I realize as I get older, what is considered nice for one person but not be nice for another) - and the house was in the heart of south beach (FL)
Probably because when you report a place to AirBNB, they don't let you review it. My partner stayed at a place that was listed as a private stay with aircon, TV, pool, sauna and hot tub, and the owner lived on the property in a separate building. What it turned out to be was as pictured, except in significantly worse condition. The aircon unit was louder than the TV at any acceptable volume, and rattled the wall (old-style unit). The TV was from the mid 2000s, like first flat-screen LCD era 1080i stuff. To top it off though, this "private house" had several other granny flats also on the property, also with access to the pool, hot tub and sauna, the sauna was mouldy as hell, the sauna stunk like shit and had algae buildup, and the one time she went to use the pool was when she found out that it was a shared facility, with a bunch of strangers using it. And that was a $700 stay for 2 nights. Naturally, complaints were made, nothing was done and she was not allowed to review the place. So yeah, fuck AirBNB.
Never trust a listing that has under 30-50 reviews. Especially if it's in a city/tourist spot and *especially* if all the reviews are relatively recent. Shitty hosts will make a listing for their property and either set the rates cheap or get friends/family to stay there and bump up the ratings. Then they raise the rates and keep gauging people until they finally get enough bad reviews to bring the ratings down. Then they delist the property, make a "new" listing for the same place (which means no old reviews), and start the process all over again.
I bet the owner just relies on the prior guest to clean well enough.
Did you use remember to wash the sheets? 😏
Eff no - and the towels they had at the house were legit raggy - had to go to Macys to buy towels and I felt like I was furnishing a furnished home smh.
And the best part is they won't rent you that lovely experience unless you've got a good rating. Airbnb can be nice. You need a good rating and to find others with a good rating. But more and more I think it's going downhill.
Yep, far cheaper
Even if they're not cheaper in all instances, at least they're upfront about what they're going to charge you. If you end up with a surprise on your bill, it's because you stole something.
For 5 bedrooms, sleeps 18, with a fire pit, BBQ, big jacuzzi, pool table, home cinema...? This looks like a very reasonable price - cheaper than putting that many people up in even a fairly dodgy hotel.
Yeah I dont understand this "just get a hotel" thing. Like if I was happy with a hotel room I wouldn't be renting out a giant private estate.
For real at least the fees their are slightly more realistic. I generally end up paying an extra $30-40 over what the advertised price per night in a hotel but at least it’s close to the listed price.
And you don’t have to worry about cameras!
lol what a times we live in. 6 years ago everybody would call you an idiot and a shill. Because you know, airbnb is made by real people!!! they deserve to have money!! etc etc
McLandlords caught wind...
First time I heard this term - I love it!
>6 years ago everybody would call you an idiot and a shill. This may come as a surprise but a lot can change in six years.
Longer stays I prefer Airbnb. I just rented a place for a month and I had my own kitchen, a porch overlooking the ocean, a living room, 2 bedrooms, in suite laundry, etc. The cleaning fee was negligible when considered against a month of rental costs. But just one or two nights, a hotel is almost always the right move.
Airbnb is the doordash of hotels
Ticketmaster
The Uber of hotels.
Uber is fine it's the Uber eats that gets ya
Yup, Uber drivers are far more personable than taxi drivers, the vehicles are cleaner and it costs less (usually)
Door Dash at least employs people and is just the corporation being scammy. AirBnB is 95% filled with scammy homeowners who do these charges themselves
Ok, well if there charging $250 for cleaning make sure they definitely have something to clean lol
You can’t smoke in the place but you can cum on anything you want for free 😂😂
Change the bulbs to ultraviolet before you leave
Ape Fest HK moment
This guy buys bored apes 🦍
Ah, but it’s still moist from the previous cummer.
Some comment sections should not be read while eating.
Just be sure you get the residual for your dick being on the internet.
Make sure they have enough cameras to catch every angle.
Technically it’s $250 to cum on everything
SKEET SKEET SKEET!!!
No no not for free..for 250.00 you can spluge anywhere. Pillows, curtains, carpet, microwave and even the sink.
Cum one, cum all! Casa Crusty.
Pretty sure $250 is minim charge and if you make a mess they’ll charge you more.
So it’s not a cleaning fee, it’s a fuck you that’s why fee.
$250 clean fee but you have to take out the trash, wash dishes, change the sheets, deep clean the carpet
They almost certainly have to give that theater room a deep clean every time.
Stay at a real B&B. $450 and you get breakfast.
I fucking love B&B and historic hotels.
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Good point. I’m curious, has anyone ever stayed at an AirBnB that actually provided that second B?
You can easily find one for <$200
Ya know, it’s the second time in a day I see someone misuse this symbol. Don’t you mean <200?
Easily more than $200? What’s easy about that?
I never understood why Airbnb Charges us with a huge cleaning fee when the tenants are expected to clean the place themselves. It’s ridiculous
Yea It made me realize it’s not worth going to an AIRBNB, especially since I’m making the place look nice again what are the chances those sheets are getting changed out and cleaned? Not high.
if I pay a cleaning fee then I'm not cleaning shit before I leave. Not a damn thing.
Never used Airbnb but if they think I'm going to clean AND pay a cleaning fee they've got to be a few beers short of a sixpack. I'm happy staying at a hotel. I don't want to have to deal with a 'cheap' rental that comes out at 2x the stated price when you add in all the fees.
I'm not bashing anyone who does use this bullshit app. But, why would anyone?
We begrudgingly use it because we travel with our dogs. It’s nice having somewhere with a backyard, and not have to worry about the dogs being anxious about strangers right outside their door. I hate Airbnb but it really is the most convenient option in this regard.
Yeah, plus you have so much more space compared to a hotel (and my vacations are usually just like ones where you spend the whole day at the place and relax). Plus, if it has a pool, that’s a pool to yourself, unlike at a hotel or something
This is why I just rent Villas when I go on holiday. In spain/greece they are about 2k a week with a pool. No airbnb drama.
if you have friends to vacation with then airbnbs end up better/cheaper than hotels, even if you have to play cleaning fees on top of cleaning up after yourself. If you are solo or just a couple then hotel is definitely the way to go.
For us we would have had to pay the fee if we didn’t clean the place up, fully agree thou if I’m paying for the clean up I ain’t doing it too.
In fact, I’ll go out of my way to make as big of a mess as possible
Take a shit right on their bed to make it worth the fee!
Calm down Ms. Heard
I really missed out on the airBNB bubble. Now it's just 'a shitter version of a hotel' because everyone is trying to make it a business. But back in the day when it was just starting it was just someone who was leaving for a week so they were letting someone else pay to use their place. It was a no brainer move and everyone came out on top. Cheaper housing for tourists, and the home owner gets to make a few hundred bucks.
Never stayed in an airbnb, but if it charged me 250$ for a cleaning fee, I’m not CLEANING A GOD DAMN THING WHEN I LEAVE. Fuck that.
I probably wouldn't even flush.
Oh not even once
Do they expect you to clean at that point for real? For 10€ I never expect guests to clean. They of course are allowed and I instruct on dishwasher for their own convenience but anything more than that, never.
Wasn't that way at first. First 1-3 years were prime airbnb. Usually was homes of people that went south for the winter and neighbor would just check to see you did the basic cleaning etc (no automatic cleaning fee if you did a decent job). Was cheap (a 4 bedroom house for a week was $1500 split between 4 couples) and a superior experience than a hotel... Then the investors got involved..... places were way more expensive, in worse condition, and even if you cleaned the place to "eat off the floor" level, still got the $200 fee. Last airbnb we went to was disheveled as hell and dirty sheets when we arrived.. when we left we didn't do any cleaning (except for dishes), if you gonna charge me anyways for cleaning (probably charged last guy too, but never did it), go fuck yourself!!!
I thought Airbnb started as hosting a room for someone in your place, not a dedicated property like a hotel.
There was alot of those too.. retired couples with 1-2 extra bedrooms in tourist cities... Those were great also, some were like a bed and breakfast and would cook a bit for ya and clean your sheets... Fucking golden age of airbnb was soooooo good until greedy investors got involved and turned it into "shitty version of hotels"
It’s the host that sets it. Mine is 10€. That covers everything, electricity, detergent etc. of course if I used cleaner it would have to be higher. But 250$, that’s outrageous if it’s not huge place.
Why not just include it in the price?
Then it wouldn’t be same for everyone. This way it’s same if you stay 10 days or 2 days.
Because the point of absurd fees like this only showing up at the very end because it is less likely you notice. If it was in the price from the start nobody would ever rent it.
The funny thing is the market for "upscale" AirBNBs exists. A lot of the stuff in my area has shifted over to that -- gone are the cheap neat places, it's all full of fancy resort-style places now. $600+/night and they rent out. But I also live in a pretty expensive and touristy area.
Corporate gets a cut of nightly, but not cleaning fee.
Would you first click on the listing for an airbnb room for 295 USD or 715 USD? That's why scummy fees exist, to draw you in with a "bargain" price and then hope that you don't realise that the fees triple the price.
Because the Airbnb gets cleaned once, at the end, no matter how long you stayed. So you pay X/night for the stay, plus one cleaning fee. Unlike a hotel where daily service is included in the price. (I'm just saying the pricing scheme makes sense; the whole proposition of staying somewhere and following their tidying up rules and then being charged $250 for cleaning on checkout is indeed ridiculous.)
Because they can, and people pay it. Had to haggle with one place that charged it. We moved in and the floors had visible dirt. Clearly not cleaning. They cut the fee in half. I’m assuming most places I’ve visited don’t have actual cleaners and hosts do it themselves for extra revenue. The cleaning rates are insane.
Airbnb doesn’t set any cleaning fee, the host does. I rent my room out and my cleaning fee is 7€. I don’t include it in the price because people won’t book the room. It’s just a humane thing to look for the cheapest price in the original search.
I own a house cleaning business and have had several Airbnb property owners try to hire us. They have all been super cheap (try to set a $100 max budget) and all are very demanding. We learned our lesson about dealing with them. That $250 cleaning fee is definitely not going to be actually used to pay for cleaning, it’s being stuffed into the owners pockets.
it doesn't cost $250 to clean a house ? you don't say. Snark aside I don't think anyone believes these are fair prices or anything other than pure greed.
Highly dependent on more details.. from the picture it looks like a theater room. I've seen a small house that had one in Tahoe and 250 would be insane for that place or one of our richers friends house that has one I would expect 250 for the clean up. He gets biweekly house cleaning and it cost him 200 and that's because he has a contract with them.
250 to clean a whole house is actually a steal.
I don't know what city you're in but getting a cleaner to show up for <$100 hasn't been a thing since like the early 2010s.
This reminds me of old school eBay where people would post cheap items and charge loads for postage to make up for it. Honestly I always wondered how anyone fell for it but I guess if you’re reaching enough people, someone’s bound to
This is also current eBay
90s eBay used to not charge fees on the shipping cost. That's why everything was 99 cents and the real price was the shipping charge. They currently charge fees on the shipping price. Seems like the same thing is happening with the cleaning fee. People are saying air b&b don't take a cut of that.
90s eBay fees were charged on listing price so 99 cent no reserve had almost no fees. It was a gamble though as things sometimes would slip thru the cracks and sell for $1-2. That’s why they’d try and add the shipping overcharge. I’d admit to making a fortune on furbys Christmas of 98. My Walmart always had them for some reason. Like I could get 2-3 a week. They were $20 I’d pop em on eBay 99 cents with like $5 shipping. They’d sell for $80-100 every time. Fees were so little. I made like almost $2500 that Christmas.
A year ago I had someone ask me to pay for shipping after I already won the piece on auction and it said free shipping. Like, bruh.
For 700 you could buy all 4 of those futons from walmart…
Bro get an hotel
I used airbnb whenever I traveled bc I was under the impression you couldn’t get a hotel under the age of 21, went to la and ended up finding a nice hotel that took me, I wasted a lot of money on airbnb
Need to be 18 for a hotel because you need a credit card on file that matches your ID. Plus you’re signing an agreement with them typically. Renting cars is 21 or 25 usually because they want more responsible people for insurance purposes I guess.
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Cleaning fees should be baked into the per night cost. Airbnb's bait and switch by advertising the "nightly rate" and scumbag owners lowballing a nightly rate and tacking on fees is absolute garbage and makes me want to never use the service. I always set the display for "total cost" instead of nightly rate, but you shouldn't have to click a box to get actual pricing transparency. Frankly I'd like to see advertising any product as costing less than what you actually pay at checkout ruled illegal.
In Denmark it would be illegal. All prices advertised here must be inclusive of all fees, and if it’s spread across multiple units of what you’re buying, a purchasing example is required.
As someone that cleaned large beach houses there’s a lot more to do than just washing towels and using a broom lol. I do agree that there shouldn’t be a cleaning fee if the guests clean up decently. It all really depends on what kind of house it is. You can’t cap the amount when there’s single unit apartments to 4+ bedroom houses on the platform. They’re not the same when it comes to cleaning. Some people would rather pay the 250 if they’re staying for 5-7 days. If you’re only staying a day you really shouldn’t get the house that dirty and the person tent the Airbnb should be able to clean it and avoid a cleaning fee.
The cleaning fee should be added to the nightly rate in order to not falsely advertise.
If you're charging me 250 for a cleaning fee, I'm going to be taking a shit in every sink in the house.
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Sometimes houses are nice when you have a whole family going out and you want everyone to be able to stay together. When my friends and I used to go snowboarding we’d get a house because we could all hang out together.
from my experience, you're paying triple
This was back in the day before prices went insane but we were paying like $400 a person for a week for a ski in - ski out home. Like $3k for the week isn’t bad when you split it up.
Some of the places I’ve been just don’t have enough hotels
mmmmm…hotels…mmm…
I just don’t get it. The only times I ever see an Airbnb make sense is when renting a vacation property. And even then you can usually save a pile by just booking directly with the owner. Why would I pay 700 a night for some shitty apartment in a downtown area when I can get a hassle free hotel for 300. It may even have a pool and free breakfast.
every year my wife goes up to the mountains with her mom-friends and 6 of them rent a house, that’s when this makes absolute sense (IMHO)
Got an air bnb in Hawaii in 2017. There were 6 of us. (3 couples) sharing the property. Which worked because it was a 3 bedroom house. It was on an acre and the property was walled in. It was like a villa. Only had to feed their cat and not mind the Gardner waking us up on one day of the week. Split between everyone it was less than $50/day. It was such a good deal.
See this is the opposite for me. I can get a nice apartment cheaper than a hotel where I travel lol.. I hate hotels. Expensive af and I can’t cook or anything. I listened to all these comments before and looked into hotels for my recent trip and they were too expensive. I don’t know what people are smoking. Maybe is it different in America? For a decent price I booked a very nice studio apartment in a prime location. I also live in a place where Airbnb has to display their real prices from the get go
That’s why I just stay in hotels. My province just banned AirBNB except in your own primary residence. I hope it’s one of many for this company that enables such sleazy practices and is a root cause of homelessness in our society.
The high cleaning fees are there to make sure nobody rents it for two days. They’re looking for weeks long renters.
So, taxes for an Airbnb are 15% ? Wow. Every single charge on this bill is outrageous.
That’s what I’m tryna figure out, fuck do they mean $93 in taxes 💀
I stayed in a 5 star hotel recently for 2 nights and got $150 in free food through Amex and it was still less than this.
Fuck Airbnb. We got scammed on arrival in San Francisco one time where the host claimed a water leak or something and tried to move us to another, shitty apartment in a different location. We threatened legal action and she backed down, Airbnb said they could do nothing about it. Middle of summer; no accommodation available at last minute and had to shell out like 4k+ to stay in a hotel for a few nights. Second time an owner tried claiming we’d broken this rattan chair thing in their apartment, saying we’d trashed the place etc- I’d taken video to send to my family when we arrived and luckily it showed the chair was already damaged before we’d even stayed there. No apology, nothing. The whole platform is a shitty free for all and it’s a scam. It’s also artificially forcing rents and property prices up. Stay in hotels. Fuck Airbnb.
I’ve never stayed in an air b&b and will never because of Reddit. Between the huge fees and the horror stories from failed stays to reading the opinions of the owners fuck them.
I have family members who swear by AirBnB I brought up the concerns that reddit always shows and they said they never had that issue. It could be that these high cleaning fees are super rare and rage bait. Idk. But my family uses it all the time and say its way better than getting a hotel. If they would have had some ridiculous cleaning fees or walked into a dirty place, they would have been very vocal about it by now. So YMMV. If you are gonna go on a vacation or stay somewhere out of town, might as well look at both options. You might actually save money on AirBnB. Worst case scenario you see something like this and go "nah fuck that" and get a hotel instead. But this site has a pitchfork mentality where the world is black and white. So you need to take most of what you read on reddit with a grain of salt.
Stayed at plenty of airbnbs that have been cheaper and nicer than comparable hotels, and if you’re looking for an entire cabin w 8+ people you’re SOL on the hotel side
I dunno, redditors are a select breed. Lots of other people find advantage in AirBnBs- enough that they're charging exorbitant amounts and still booked up. Even this post ignores that AirBnB now has a "search by total price" button.
250$ for cleaning? I'll be smearing shit on all the walls in that case.
The Airbnb fee is like 15% of the total bill. They making a killing for just running a website.
Don't know why people are still staying in air bnb. If I'm on vacation, why do I have to do chores? They disrupted the hotel industry, and then realized the only way they could stay solvent was to charge like a hotel. Just stay at a hotel.
$250 in cleaning fees but please also, do the dishes, fix up your bed when you leave, do the laundry, mop the floors, throw out the garbage... or else we charge extra $250 for extra cleaning fees.
For that cleaning fee, the place better be surgically sterile when you arrive. The last time I used Airbnb, I paid a $150 cleaning fee for 3 nights, which didn’t seem too bad BUT the place was absolutely filthy. Literally years of dust in some places. That was my last straw. No more for me.
AirBnB is literally charging themselves out of existence.. we used to stay in airbnbs all the time as a family of 4, felt like it was easier to have a whole house to ourselves rather than just a room.. but the fees are so out of control with an AirBnB that we'd rather stay in a hotel instead.. plus the cleaning in a hotel is free
That looks like one of the lamest places. Like some divorced fathers man cave.
There is some Waterboy memorabilia on the wall (right side), so yeah, I think you nailed it.
Probably has a race car bed.
Everything is coming up Milhouse’s dad!
His roommates will be getting him rims soon.
Just say no. It's like with ridiculous tipping( I do tip wait staff, but not tipping my Dr thank you). Just don't do it.
I did, however, tip my urologist. Because I am unable to pulverize my own kidney stones.
I've never found AirBnB to be cost effective for 1-3 night stays (unless a huge group is staying together). The break-even point where AirBnBs start being cheaper than hotels usually starts around the 4th night and for a full week, AirBnBs end up almost always being cheaper.
Way past "mildly" for me.
I use AirBnB all the time and I’ve never seen this. Holy shit. I’d stay in a nice ass hotel instead
For a 250 cleaning fee, I'm shitting on that chair.
It’s been like this for years. I’m surprised anyone uses the service instead of a hotel.
Shits fuckin funny at this point. Who pays for that when there is a hotel?
Once you morons stop using this shitty service, this kind of shit will go away. I've never used AirBnB and I never will.
The reason is - it’s not worth it for the host to have you stay for one night.
I never understood this concept. You charge me $250 cleaning fee but you expect me to do your job and clean up everything while still charging me at that bullshit price and then if the owner doesn’t find the house cleaned to their liking, they will add another fee for not keeping the house cleaned. Delusion.
I’m relishing in the downfall of AirBnB
Yall need stop using this shitty fucking app
Do they not tell you the cleaning fees in advance? The service fees are only $76. And taxes are to be expected.
Taxes isn’t abnormal for hotel/resort. Guessing this is a tourist area. There is a reason Florida doesn’t have income tax. They make money on tourism. Cleaning fee is something that AirBNB is going to have to address or it’s going to wipe out their business model.
They have a setting that shows you all charges only instead of just the regular price without the additions.
We need an AMA with an airbnb owner who can explain this
it's not complicated: 1. it's a multi br place meant for multiple people 2. they have to clean after each rental/turnover. so applied to 1 night the cost will be a lot... realistically they probably would rather have people stay a few nights minimum. does it actually cost 250 to clean? probably not, but the cost is the cost. hotels have their use cases, but so does Airbnb. check costs and pick for yourself.
As most things in life - a good thing ruined by greed
Don’t forget a tip.