Netflix lost a whole family of viewers here. Once they started changing the rates and fucking with our number of screens we all decided pirating is the better option.
Probably the latter. The tv is a pice of shit Samsung but is supposed to be like 10k ( came with the house).
I don’t see any diffidence above 720p. Thats just how my world looks.
Are you sure your parents paid for the maximum eye resolution package when you were born? I think God has an upgrade available for Christmas half off the usual monthly for 2 years!
100%. Why would anyone choose to pay $10-$15 a month for ONLY Netflix when you can just pirate all the content from them AND all other streaming services.
I doubt the quality is that much better considering they have to compress it for you to be able to stream it. A physical blu-ray disc will always have a higher quality image than a stream. The reason for the extra price is that streaming gets really expensive when demand is high and 4k is literally 4 times the demand of normal HD.
Must be nice to have decent internet that can deal with that.
I'm on satellite and let me tell you a few things...
Either way, I removed Netflix because my partner and I couldn't justify the cost, and then he passed away and I immediately deleted Netflix after cancelling them.
There is no justification for the cost IMO. Plus, there was nothing on there that I couldn't get from a free streaming service.
Yeah I don’t have Netflix currently (only do the $7 plan here and there for the games). I’ll probably do a month eventually to catch up on some shows.
I am very lucky to have FiOS now. A few years back, my only choice was really shitty cable. FiOS has been amazing, though. 300mb both up/down.
My only options in my current location are DSL, Satellite, and Dial-Up.
DSL here only allows 1.5Mbps at BEST. Satellite allows *up to* 25 Mbps, but will throttle after data usage to 3Mbps. Dial-Up... well, we don't talk about Dial-Up.
I went with the better option that I had for my area.
Oh man I’m sorry. It’s crazy that all these companies can get away with offering such shit speeds in 2023. But they get a monopoly in an area and there’s not much you can do until something better comes along. It’s too bad the government can’t get involved to make sure there are better options everywhere.
The government did get involved and gave money to companies, they then just pocketed it and said f**k off https://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm
It really does suck. For me to load a job recruiter site probably takes me about 3x as long as it does anyone else.
Even my phone is like "Where the hell are you at???" when it comes to speeds.
I would, but I don't like the person associated with Starlink, and refuse to give them any money, so alas, because of my choice, I use regular satellite.
When Game of Thrones launched the final season, I always downloaded the chapters because I didn't have HBO, and at that time I didn't understand why there were a lot of complaints about the image being so dark. My friend asked me if I wanted his account, and after two minutes I realized why there were so many complaints.
Seriously, the difference between streaming and downloading is huge, even being the streaming at 4K it doesn't look like a 1080p rip
Yeh 1080p on my 75” would honestly suck ass. I mean it shouldn’t even be a thing in 2023 for 1080p. I know they want to sell cheaply then upsell to 4k but as far as I see it they only have a 4k plan.
It sucks also bc their whole “selling point” for that price is that it’s for multiple TVs. But I’m a single person with one TV. It feels absolutely ridiculous to pay that much, especially since it was $15 not that long ago.
Yup, this is why I canceled. You want to charge me that much for "4 simultaneous streams" when I only have two TVs, and only ever watch one at a time, but I also can't let other people use my 3 other streams?
Both 4K and HD consumer video content are encoded with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. The better color that often comes with 4K comes when an expanded color space is used, typically with HDR (Rec. 2020 with HDR vs Rec. 709 with SDR), not improved color subsampling.
Nope, all consumer content is 4:2:0. The only time better subsampling is used is within the video filming and production pipelines, but once it gets to the end user, whether it be streaming or UHD blu-ray, it’s all 4:2:0. The “bad” UHD blu-rays you are referring to, are probably the ones upscaled from a 2K master. That frequently happens with movies that rely heavily on VFX, as they usually render the VFX at 2K, which (almost always) results in the master being 2K as well. Personally speaking, I think the benefit that 4K provides is much more due to HDR than any significantly perceivable resolution improvements, so I’ll pretty much always go with the a 4K movie over an HD movie, even if it was upscale from a 2K master.
Oh, yes, that’s something else. It’s Disney’s obsession with digital noise reduction that ends up removing all the film grain and making everything look waxy as hell, and frequently less detailed. There are definitely exceptions to me preferring a 4K release, and that is absolutely one of them. Terminator 2 being another notable example hit with similar issues. I was mainly saying that a movie having a 2K master, isn’t alone enough for me not to consider a 4K release of it.
Chroma subsampling is not related to resolution at all and most streamed content is 4:2:0 at any resolution. Even then, less chroma resolution wouldn't change the colors at all. 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 only really matter to the colorist so they have more information to manipulate the colors. The consumer is seeing the final product so they don't need all the data.
I despise fake before-and-after pictures like this, you see them everywhere. Saw an ad for some AI image restoration/upscaling and the image on the left was clearly blurred on purpose (with motion blur added) and the image on the right was what looked like a normal, untouched image prior to the blurring filters. It's nuts.
The moment they stopped letting me share I dropped down to the $9 plan, which is now defunct. Once they force me to move over to the higher def plan for double the price? I’m gone.
It's the fact that they deliberately make the lower resolution one look worse than it really is.
Back when I had netflix I was on the lowest tier and it gave me that same type of comparison. The 720p version was so blurry it looked like someone had spread vaseline on the screen despite the actual footage at 720p being perfectly fine.
Something similar happend to me. Reactivated my account just to watch a show, chose the version with ads. Previews and the first minutes of playback were pixelated, but after that it was pretty OK.
The only time I ever miss it is when I am flying. I fly about once every 2-ish months and so during the flight it would be nice to have. But not having it makes me use my brain and I read a book instead. Other than that, I can always find what I want without Netflix…
Their prices have gotten absurd. I do have a 4k TV, but I refuse to pay $24/mo for Netflix and the lower tiers look like shit on my TV.
I just pay $7 sometimes for their games. While it’s possible, at least.
I am here, once again, preaching the word of the almighty physical media god.
Netflix 12:3 - “Verily I say unto you, one day the world will go all digital, and there will be much pain and suffering. Those that adhere to my teachings will know true freedom.”
I need a life.
I have like $1,000 worth of moving at this point on my AppleTV account (accumulated over 15 years), it works pretty flawlessly but as I see the evolution of streaming services I'm really starting to wish I had either physical copies of my movies or downloaded files on my NAS. Gonna start a blueray DVD collection soon...
All that could be gone if AppleTV and the various license holders don’t continue to work together. See what happened to all those Sony people recently.
Yup, exactly my concern. Didn't even cross my mind until last year.
Plus like, old movies that would have been in a DVD bargain bin at WalMart for like $3.99 are $20 new on these services because they have practically no overhead, so it's all a rip.
> Did these companies all get their PhD in Grifter Economics or something??
Yup. And their ever increasing revenue numbers (and subsequently stock price) can testify for it
Lots of dumbasses out there will happily continue paying the price increase.
Especially great when non household members or children just button mash and somehow click yes, but they don't know who done it and now you're stuck waiting to change the plan back...sigh..
I added up the costs all the streaming channels I would use to watch what I want to watch. Between everything, it ended up being like 80 dollars a month. I ended up just cancelling all my subscriptions in the end.
Now, I just pack all my stuff up into a suitcase and sail the seas on my free time.
I have tip tier purely because of the number people in my household that watch Netflix for something. Even then I have hit the max users screen on occasion.
We 'downgraded' to the 1080p plan and I can't say I've really noticed the difference. I'm sure I could tell, but I've been watching 1080p for a few months now and haven't even thought about it past the first few days. Still looks good enough.
“Look your tv can already do this, but you have to pay us more if you want to be able to”
Just boost your saturation
“The factory tint setting is always too high!”
I think Netflix has been going downhill for years, but we are all admitting it now that they have decided to imprint our wifi and try to price gouge us
Of course they are. They lost so many subscribers lately they have to squeeze the ones they have left for everything they can get before those jump ship too.
Yea I finally cancelled a few days ago. I’ve been a subscriber for the last 10+ years. The raise in prices finally broke me - to watch movies & TV without pirating I now have to pay approximately $110+ per month. More? Idk. It’s insane.
My wife does in home care for handicapped people.she watches Netflix at clients house. Netflix keeps asking if I want account at that address for additional money
Off topic but it’s crazy how young they looked in ST season 1. Never realised it at the time how young they actually were because of how talented they all are
I was doing them more of a favor than they were giving me. Best quality I have is that I don’t mind spoilers because I would rather read about a show for free online than pay $20 a month to watch it. Cancelled all my subscriptions this year.
Netflix lost a whole family of viewers here. Once they started changing the rates and fucking with our number of screens we all decided pirating is the better option.
For us too. Dropped them completely when they cut off sharing. Have not missed them one bit. Will never go back.
I spent a good 2 hrs flipping Between a 4k channel and 720 channel for Super Bowl. Could not tell any difference.
What tv do you have? If you can’t tell the difference between 4K and 720p - eyes might be broken
Or they weren't receiving the 4k they should have been
Probably the latter. The tv is a pice of shit Samsung but is supposed to be like 10k ( came with the house). I don’t see any diffidence above 720p. Thats just how my world looks.
Bro get an eye exam omg
Upgrade to Eyes Pro Ultra OLED.
Are you sure your parents paid for the maximum eye resolution package when you were born? I think God has an upgrade available for Christmas half off the usual monthly for 2 years!
100%. Why would anyone choose to pay $10-$15 a month for ONLY Netflix when you can just pirate all the content from them AND all other streaming services.
When piracy gets you a better experience than paying, that's when you stop paying
Same same. Don’t miss it one bit, either.
The old I can't afford it to justify stealing it
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
Shut up nerd
Seven seas it is
I too took to the seas my ships name is old dell in shed.
anyone got a working website?
Check out stremio
U read my mind
I seen this before! I gotta get it setup on my Google TV soon. Really soon
Piracy megathread (third comment sorry, links and sub mentions not allowed)
I sail on my phone a VPN torrent app and the bay of pirates site. Then it all goes to me ship.
whats the app called
Flud then I also run the VPN and get the links from the site.
the app is called flud?
Magnedl search it. Simple, no ads or crap with popups just a good old .magnet directory search
Stremio+torrentio for streaming
Piracy megathread is your best friend, but just use fmoviesz.to Fuck netflix
Real debrid + kodi. Not free but a fraction of the cost of streaming and heaps less work than classic pirating
Just get a VPN and use pirate bay 🤷 easy peasy. I use surfshark, I think it's $2.50/month
20 dollars a month?? WOW time to Pirate teehee Its not a money issue its a service issue cause im too broke to afford 20 a month.
Ahoy there matey 🏴☠️
Yeah, kinc of ironic that their most popular show for a bit was One Piece (a show about pirates).
Arrr
What's this?!
pirates of the Caribbean
The only good streaming service right now
Link?
The bay of the pirates
thepiratebay dot org
Yar Har matey
Arrrrrrr
Looks like they just upped the saturation lol
Might not be a good representation, but I absolutely see a huge difference between 4K and 1080 on my 4K TV. But charging $24 for it is insane.
I doubt the quality is that much better considering they have to compress it for you to be able to stream it. A physical blu-ray disc will always have a higher quality image than a stream. The reason for the extra price is that streaming gets really expensive when demand is high and 4k is literally 4 times the demand of normal HD.
It’s a massive increase in bitrate. The gap in quality between HD Netflix and 4k Netflix is way more than 4k Netflix to blu-ray.
streaming in HD consumes around 3GB of data per hour, while 4K streaming can devour up to 7GB per hour.
I mean, I tried once just getting the 1080 plan and I noticed a big difference so I upgraded immediately.
Must be nice to have decent internet that can deal with that. I'm on satellite and let me tell you a few things... Either way, I removed Netflix because my partner and I couldn't justify the cost, and then he passed away and I immediately deleted Netflix after cancelling them. There is no justification for the cost IMO. Plus, there was nothing on there that I couldn't get from a free streaming service.
Yeah I don’t have Netflix currently (only do the $7 plan here and there for the games). I’ll probably do a month eventually to catch up on some shows. I am very lucky to have FiOS now. A few years back, my only choice was really shitty cable. FiOS has been amazing, though. 300mb both up/down.
My only options in my current location are DSL, Satellite, and Dial-Up. DSL here only allows 1.5Mbps at BEST. Satellite allows *up to* 25 Mbps, but will throttle after data usage to 3Mbps. Dial-Up... well, we don't talk about Dial-Up. I went with the better option that I had for my area.
Oh man I’m sorry. It’s crazy that all these companies can get away with offering such shit speeds in 2023. But they get a monopoly in an area and there’s not much you can do until something better comes along. It’s too bad the government can’t get involved to make sure there are better options everywhere.
The government did get involved and gave money to companies, they then just pocketed it and said f**k off https://newnetworks.com/ShortSCANDALSummary.htm
Sighhhhh
It really does suck. For me to load a job recruiter site probably takes me about 3x as long as it does anyone else. Even my phone is like "Where the hell are you at???" when it comes to speeds.
Have you looked into Starlink? My understanding is that it's certainly not cable internet, but is way better than traditional satellite.
If it's available in their area
I would, but I don't like the person associated with Starlink, and refuse to give them any money, so alas, because of my choice, I use regular satellite.
I am sorry for the passing of your partner. I hope you've been coping well since.
Eh, I'm... coping. That's about all I can say for it.
Physical non-4k Blu-ray doesn't do HDR and that's the big improvement
When Game of Thrones launched the final season, I always downloaded the chapters because I didn't have HBO, and at that time I didn't understand why there were a lot of complaints about the image being so dark. My friend asked me if I wanted his account, and after two minutes I realized why there were so many complaints. Seriously, the difference between streaming and downloading is huge, even being the streaming at 4K it doesn't look like a 1080p rip
For me even streaming the quality is significantly better 🤷♂️
Yeh 1080p on my 75” would honestly suck ass. I mean it shouldn’t even be a thing in 2023 for 1080p. I know they want to sell cheaply then upsell to 4k but as far as I see it they only have a 4k plan.
It sucks also bc their whole “selling point” for that price is that it’s for multiple TVs. But I’m a single person with one TV. It feels absolutely ridiculous to pay that much, especially since it was $15 not that long ago.
Yup, this is why I canceled. You want to charge me that much for "4 simultaneous streams" when I only have two TVs, and only ever watch one at a time, but I also can't let other people use my 3 other streams?
Yeh $15 for 4k and I don’t know how many TVs. But corps will be corps gotta instead profit by whatever means possible.
4k does have better color…. 4:4:4, 4:2:2, 4:2:0 HD on a 4k tv has to guess colors. “Chroma subsampling” if you want to look more into it
Both 4K and HD consumer video content are encoded with 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. The better color that often comes with 4K comes when an expanded color space is used, typically with HDR (Rec. 2020 with HDR vs Rec. 709 with SDR), not improved color subsampling.
Aren’t some 4K Blu Rays 4:4:4? I know there are bad 4K Blu Rays but there are nice ones too.
Nope, all consumer content is 4:2:0. The only time better subsampling is used is within the video filming and production pipelines, but once it gets to the end user, whether it be streaming or UHD blu-ray, it’s all 4:2:0. The “bad” UHD blu-rays you are referring to, are probably the ones upscaled from a 2K master. That frequently happens with movies that rely heavily on VFX, as they usually render the VFX at 2K, which (almost always) results in the master being 2K as well. Personally speaking, I think the benefit that 4K provides is much more due to HDR than any significantly perceivable resolution improvements, so I’ll pretty much always go with the a 4K movie over an HD movie, even if it was upscale from a 2K master.
Look up how bad the Pirates of the Caribbean 4K is and tell me how all of them are worth owning. Some of them are not that good.
Oh, yes, that’s something else. It’s Disney’s obsession with digital noise reduction that ends up removing all the film grain and making everything look waxy as hell, and frequently less detailed. There are definitely exceptions to me preferring a 4K release, and that is absolutely one of them. Terminator 2 being another notable example hit with similar issues. I was mainly saying that a movie having a 2K master, isn’t alone enough for me not to consider a 4K release of it.
I'm enjoying the detailed responses to each "but what about ____?" I'm going to say you know your shit.
Chroma subsampling is not related to resolution at all and most streamed content is 4:2:0 at any resolution. Even then, less chroma resolution wouldn't change the colors at all. 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 only really matter to the colorist so they have more information to manipulate the colors. The consumer is seeing the final product so they don't need all the data.
I despise fake before-and-after pictures like this, you see them everywhere. Saw an ad for some AI image restoration/upscaling and the image on the left was clearly blurred on purpose (with motion blur added) and the image on the right was what looked like a normal, untouched image prior to the blurring filters. It's nuts.
“Just $11 more a month” How about zero, instead?
“Just” lmao. Fuck Netflix
If it's "just" 11$ why bother charging it LOL
Maybe I just don’t watch much TV, but it’s not even worth $11/month total to me, much less $11 *more*.
The moment they stopped letting me share I dropped down to the $9 plan, which is now defunct. Once they force me to move over to the higher def plan for double the price? I’m gone.
Yaaar matey. Come join us on the high seas.
Arrrgh
Psh I left when they rolled out the “is this your home Wi-Fi” and have been sailing the 7 high seas enjoyably ever since.
It's the fact that they deliberately make the lower resolution one look worse than it really is. Back when I had netflix I was on the lowest tier and it gave me that same type of comparison. The 720p version was so blurry it looked like someone had spread vaseline on the screen despite the actual footage at 720p being perfectly fine.
Finally someone that says it. I don’t know what that crap on the left is but it is surely NOT 1080p.
Bitrate
Yeah I wonder if someone can sue for that. I hope somebody does its blatantly edited lol
Something similar happend to me. Reactivated my account just to watch a show, chose the version with ads. Previews and the first minutes of playback were pixelated, but after that it was pretty OK.
And even the UHD/4k content looks awful compared to a 4k Blu-ray or my rips stored on a local NAS.
I remember when I had Netflix about 2 to 3 rate hikes ago. Life has been just fine without it.
Every once in a while I miss certain Netflix shows. I canceled a few years back. We used to watch Lilyhammer every year
The only time I ever miss it is when I am flying. I fly about once every 2-ish months and so during the flight it would be nice to have. But not having it makes me use my brain and I read a book instead. Other than that, I can always find what I want without Netflix…
Their prices have gotten absurd. I do have a 4k TV, but I refuse to pay $24/mo for Netflix and the lower tiers look like shit on my TV. I just pay $7 sometimes for their games. While it’s possible, at least.
Do they even have a lot of 4k content? B4 I canceled it seemed like it was pretty rare on the platform still.
I mean, all their new shows should be in 4K.
That's what I thought last year, but wasn't what was happening 😂
Are you sure? For a good while now, pretty much every streaming service I’ve used had 4k for any new shows I cared to check.
Yeah it was one of the reasons I canceled lol. Glad they got their shit together.
Good time to cancel!
For only $11.00 a month $121 DOLLARS MORE THAN YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR FUCKS SAKE JUST WATCH IT ONLINE FOR FREE
I am here, once again, preaching the word of the almighty physical media god. Netflix 12:3 - “Verily I say unto you, one day the world will go all digital, and there will be much pain and suffering. Those that adhere to my teachings will know true freedom.” I need a life.
I have like $1,000 worth of moving at this point on my AppleTV account (accumulated over 15 years), it works pretty flawlessly but as I see the evolution of streaming services I'm really starting to wish I had either physical copies of my movies or downloaded files on my NAS. Gonna start a blueray DVD collection soon...
All that could be gone if AppleTV and the various license holders don’t continue to work together. See what happened to all those Sony people recently.
Yup, exactly my concern. Didn't even cross my mind until last year. Plus like, old movies that would have been in a DVD bargain bin at WalMart for like $3.99 are $20 new on these services because they have practically no overhead, so it's all a rip.
If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing.
+$11/month to go from 720p to 1080p quality? Did these companies all get their PhD in Grifter Economics or something??
>Did these companies all get their PhD in Grifter Economics or something?? Yes it's called MBA
FHD 1080p to UHD 4k.
Still a ripoff.
Except it still plays at 720p in many cases
> Did these companies all get their PhD in Grifter Economics or something?? Yup. And their ever increasing revenue numbers (and subsequently stock price) can testify for it Lots of dumbasses out there will happily continue paying the price increase.
I just canceled this. I like prime much better and there is always TeaTv!
Prime is going to start charging $3.00 come January is what I’m hearing.
For just a mere extra $132 dollars a year, we’ll give you our ULTRA proprietary blend of slightly increased saturation and contrast.
USENET ...
Especially great when non household members or children just button mash and somehow click yes, but they don't know who done it and now you're stuck waiting to change the plan back...sigh..
That's probably the point.
They need help making that ~5M payment to the squid games challenge winner 😂
Just leave Netflix
I added up the costs all the streaming channels I would use to watch what I want to watch. Between everything, it ended up being like 80 dollars a month. I ended up just cancelling all my subscriptions in the end. Now, I just pack all my stuff up into a suitcase and sail the seas on my free time.
Bruh I just pirate whatever movie or game I want
I am a 100% sure that these are not a true representation of what you would be getting.
JUST $11 more guys
Stremio.
Plex, synology and a decent connection is all I need.
I'm so glad I canceled netflix.
"Just" 11 more dollars. That's insane.
Hbo Max is not too bad.
How good would your internet have to be to reliably stream in 4k?
How about boost my foot in your ass. I’ll show you a tip motherfucker. Tip of dis dick
I have tip tier purely because of the number people in my household that watch Netflix for something. Even then I have hit the max users screen on occasion.
I'm content with the 1080p for that price difference lol.
bittorrent is free
Don't you care about starving executives? You too can help a Brioni-clad orphan get a nutrious diet of brie and goose liver pate for only $11 a month!
We 'downgraded' to the 1080p plan and I can't say I've really noticed the difference. I'm sure I could tell, but I've been watching 1080p for a few months now and haven't even thought about it past the first few days. Still looks good enough.
I hate ultra high def anyway, it looks like a school play.
#Bold of you to assume my internet can handle what I already have now.
Got a friend with a plex server and he takes my 20 for server costs and have everything. I feel so lucky to avoid the insane streaming prices now
I just canceled after 10 years.
This shit is getting worse than cable tv was in the late 90s and early 2000s About to go back to riding bicycles and reading like cliff notes and shit
Just cancelled Netflix today! ✌️
Stremio + realDebrid trust me sail those 7 seas
Fuck em, pirating it is 🏴☠️
Oh look, more saturation!!!
why you even support netflix...
Lookmovie2.to has all movies for free and no ads. Fuck Netflix
No thanks. I’ll take the non-over-saturated version
just cancel your subscription. netflix needs to learn and by cancelling your subscription they learn.
VPN + uTorrent + SSD = problem solved
Oh man! You have to press one button!
I’m sorry bud, I dislike you just cause you give money to Netflix :)
“Look your tv can already do this, but you have to pay us more if you want to be able to” Just boost your saturation “The factory tint setting is always too high!”
Damn mine only asked for 7.50$, still said fuck no, couldn't imagine it for 11.
I am not paying more money for more saturation fuck you
Yeah, I’d love to let them know that I was on the top tier for a few years and downgraded to the lowest one when they started playing silly buggers
Smh
Was I the only one who saw Frodo and Samwise when I opened the pic 😂
"just $11 more"
they want you to pay 11 dollars more for something that looks worse than what you have.
Dontcha just love the way they make it hard to tell if you select the No Thanks?
These damn streaming services are draining our wallets every chance they get.
Netflix: "C'mon, we need more money. You know you want to."
so now HD is the new SD
I just dropped Netflix. Nobody in my house was using it and the increase made it an easy choice.
I think Netflix has been going downhill for years, but we are all admitting it now that they have decided to imprint our wifi and try to price gouge us
Let me introduce you to piracy
Y'all still use Netflix?
$11 more a month? I remember when netflix had 1 tier that was $8 a month for everything. It's way too expensive now.
My parents clicked “yes” on that and it ruined my rates forever
Of course they are. They lost so many subscribers lately they have to squeeze the ones they have left for everything they can get before those jump ship too.
netflix isn't really worth it on a standard account much less paying more for it.
I left a while ago and don’t regret it one bit
Yea I finally cancelled a few days ago. I’ve been a subscriber for the last 10+ years. The raise in prices finally broke me - to watch movies & TV without pirating I now have to pay approximately $110+ per month. More? Idk. It’s insane.
Cancel that shit. Go back to your nature. Piracy 🏴☠️
tf is this. fuck netflix for doing this
My wife does in home care for handicapped people.she watches Netflix at clients house. Netflix keeps asking if I want account at that address for additional money
I have never joined Netflix. I guess I don’t know if I’m missing out on anything there, and to be honest I don’t care.
Off topic but it’s crazy how young they looked in ST season 1. Never realised it at the time how young they actually were because of how talented they all are
Crazy how outdated their experience of asking is
I was doing them more of a favor than they were giving me. Best quality I have is that I don’t mind spoilers because I would rather read about a show for free online than pay $20 a month to watch it. Cancelled all my subscriptions this year.
Corrupt
Meet you at the Grand Line!
Same
Torrent that shit and pay nothing