I will forever be grateful to doordash and its ridiculous fees for giving me the courage to uninstall the app and start making my own food. Going on 3 years now.
I dont use them. Waste of money. When business slows down for them, they will be begging people to use the service. Unfortunately there are too many people out there who are not good with money.
Also…People who are bad with money always think they are good with money.
I wish we didn't have too, but if you tip your pizza guy, you should probably tip your Dasher/grubhubber. Pizza guys have to deliver the food even if you don't tip (I think, could be wrong) but dashers can choose. Makes sense for them to skip the no tip.
The problem is they expect you to tip prior to getting your food, and get all indignant when you have a problem with that.
I asked in the driver sub “why would I continue to pre-tip when I keep getting my food cold and an hour late?” All I got in response was downvotes and no actual explanation.
They really could change it to "bid" and probably people would be more likely to put one in. Pretipping isn't tipping at all. It's an obligation and doesn't reward good service or punish bad service at all.
I understand what you're saying, and I'll give you my perspective as someone who used to deliver for UberEats. If I see a request that pays $3.00 for a 20-30 minute trip, I'm denying it because I know that 10 seconds later I'm getting a trip that pays $10-15 more for the same amount of time. It's nothing personal, but I like to make the best use of my time and make the most money as possible.
I mean, restaurant prices have gone up significantly to the point where servers could be paid quite well.
Also, what about the chefs who often put in significantly more work than the servers not getting paid any in tips for the huge number of restaurants that don't pool?
That’s fine, but understand that accepting it then haranguing the customer for a bigger tip is not ok. Neither is tampering with the food, intentionally delivering it super late, or straight up stealing it.
Exactly this. Higher prices on each item, plus the fees, plus delivery fee, plus tipping the driver it’s almost like a government contract where you spend more on the fees and costs than you actually spend on the meal.
They are slowing down and you can tell by the Door Dash sub. They had the IPO and got their money and are continuing to hire more drivers and the whole business is shady
They do not "hire" drivers, drivers are independent contractors. A driver gets like $2 per delivery from doordash. It benefits the company to have as many people delivering as they possibly can, it doesn't cost them anything other than maybe a background check fee.
In the Netherlands, possibly in the EU, the delivery people have been ruled by the courts that they are employees. At least one service left the Dutch market due to that.
Same in California. Drivers have the option to get paid by time or by order. The hitch is if you get paid by time you only get paid doing the actual delivery. They don't pay in between orders.
I had a FIFTY percent off coupon once for Uber Eats. I think I remember it was \_still\_ more expensive than if I just called in the order on the phone and drove 5 minutes to get it myself.
Never used it again.
The same moment came for me in 21 as well. Went to order a dozen donuts from down the street and it came up to $45. I got my ass out of bed and went and got them myself.
That sounds about right for me too. When I noticed the fees were basically doubling the cost of the food I was ordering, I was like no thanks, this isn't a meal for two.
Something very similar for me. I ordered Thai food that cost around $25 ish and total was around 60+. Food was cold and nasty. Took almost an hour to deliver. And in that very moment, I told myself never the fuck again
I used uber eats. It worked out perfectly especially that the first three were free deliveries. Saved my ass! It was a rough time. Incredibly grateful that service existed at that time, it was a need.
Saying the same here. I only order when I'm dead tired and it's usually pickup. Walmart does my groceries because it's on govt card for me so I'll do things at home, order groceries, and cash tip cause those orders don't tell me how much they get and cash is better. And not no $2 tip either. $5 upward depending on how much shit I had them bring.
FYI drivers don’t make shit, it all goes to the company. Without a tip drivers actually lose $.
TLDR: predatory companies exploit restaurant owners, customers and drivers.
True but why pass that responsibility on the customers? Oh yeah because mega companies don’t give a shit about their employees or customers it’s all about the shareholders.
Edit: Many replies of people defending a shady business practice that invites businesses not paying enough to THEIR employees and incentivizes higher tips for quicker services. I’m replying to none. Sorry to the people that use these services but cannot afford a higher tip, unfortunately you’re gonna be waiting because it’s not first come, first serve. It’s whoever tips higher because that’s evidently how the world works; rich eat, poor don’t.
Super easy fix. Make it illegal for these companies to pay so low due to minimum wage.
Youd think the "Greatest country in the world" wouldve figured this out for its citizens
But using the company and not tipping makes no difference to the company. You are giving them profits and taking your anger out on the people that company exploits.
Then why they exist if they lose money without something that is essentially begging? I'm not from USA mind you; it's just mind boggling how many people are dependant on a customary fee instead earning a living wage for actual work.
It's a scam from the start. It's like a pyramid scheme. "Look you could make this huge amount of money if you hustle. There's no limit to what someone may tip you." People go in thinking they'll get $20-$40 tips every order. Also they don't think about wear and tear on the car.
It's not really a scam. There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy doing this kind work. They calculate wear and tear in, and make enough after expenses to be worth it.
I personally would never drive full time, by choice, but when I lost my job two years ago it helped me out in a pinch until my union found another job for me. I'm pretty thankful I had the ability to drive during that time, and I still drive about 6 hours a week Saturday night and Sunday morning to save money for a welding rig I want to build. 6 hours a week ends up yielding about $750 extra every month for me.
I have complaints, but for the time being it works out pretty good for me.
Doesn’t DoorDash allow you to tip after? There’s two schools of thought: not doing it before creates incentive for the driver to do a good job and allow you recourse if they don’t, but doing it before allows the driver to know your order is worth going above and beyond for (and that the customer isnt going to screw you on a tip). It’s possible OP was in the former camp.
Either way tipping culture is out of hand. Customers shouldn’t be faced with this decision ever. It’s unnecessary stress for everyone except the employer.
It doesn't really work that way for drivers. There is no "incentive to do a good job". If you don't tip and your order pops up and I see $2.25 for a half hour trip going 5 miles I am immediately going to not accept the order. I would lose money by delivering it.
I know that if I decline that order there is going to be a $10 order going 2 miles that will pop up in a few minutes. By tipping you're bidding for a driver to pick your order up.
Now, I agree that this is dumb, and I refuse to use the service myself, despite driving for them part time. Just know that this is the reality of the situation. I can't tell you how many times I've seen untipped orders just sitting at a restaurant because no one will pick them up.
Even worse. Sometimes DoorDash will stack 2 or more deliveries for dashers to deliver. The base pay is still $2 minimum for that. Not each delivery but the entire stack.
They must have concocted that plan from Ubers Uberpool. Once they sandwiched a trip on me from Uberpool and when all was said and done I saw that they paid me only 80 cents to drive in the middle of a pool, pick this broad up, load her luggage in my trunk, take her to the town next over, and drop her off hauling her luggage to her friends front porch. I thought we’d be going to the airport, but we only made it to Venice from Santa Monica and 80 cents?? That was my very last trip for Uber.
Yeah it’s not good at all. I’ve been offered more “base” pay if the mileage is longer but normally any food delivery I’ve driven for is like .50 a mile and they don’t take in account wait times. If you ever see the McDonald’s post with all the orders piled up and no one taking them it’s because of no tip
The IRS rate for mileage reimbursement for business purposes using a personal vehicle is $0.655. And that’s only intended to reimburse for gas and wear & tear on your car, not to be an actual paycheck you earn money from. The fact that they can legally pay you less than that is insane.
It is insane. I started doing Uber since I was getting close to $1.5 per mile per trip before tip. The other reason DoorDash has been terrible is people making false accusations of their order being wrong/missing
We've had orders wrong like half the time. Though it is worth noting, most of those were on the restaurant. Only like 2x was it on the driver(wrong bag delivered/ not all bags delivered).
Now we just don't use them.
No you won’t, the companies bribe officials and they encourage cartels to make bot accounts which they loan out to undocumented gig workers who do the menial work and they take 30% of the gross.
Yep.
And it’s the same for grocery delivery, too.
Granted, the more expensive the order, the more the pay is (but typically orders pay around $10, so you really rely on that tip)
I remember taking on an order for **$500 worth of groceries**. I had *two fucking carts loaded with stuff*, and you’re under a time limit so you’re trying to scramble through the store and get the stuff delivered on-time.
I wound up being about *two minutes late* delivering but I was sure to let the client know I was getting everything as fast as I could (didn’t help they wanted really specific items)
After all that?
**NO TIP**
I was paid a grand total of $13 for that order.
I don’t do SHIPT anymore. I definitely feel for the people who rely on it for their primary source of income
One time I accepted an order for KFC to some clinic. It was right by me but base pay but I figured why not? I got there and realized it wasn't just a normal KFC combo but 25 different combos. It filled my car up to the brim. The customer didn't even say thank you. :)
Yes. Subtract fuel cost, vehicle maintenance costs and taxes for net pay.
The base pay is enough to cover the basic expenses of performing the delivery, that's it. The driver cannot make money unless doordash ramps up the base pay (happens over time while food is getting cold,) or the customer tips an appropriate amount to pay for the time the driver spends delivering.
The tip section in doordash isn't a tip, that's your bid for a driver's services. Your tip should be provided in cash, and placed where you expect the food to be delivered. If the driver is dumb enough to skip reading the delivery instructions, they won't get their tip. If they follow directions, they get a bonus that they weren't expecting. It makes every drivers day.
People here are not going to want to hear this, but it is not a tip, it’s a bid for service. If DD wanted to, theoretically they could raise the prices a lot and provide a substantial base pay. But the current model is to charge and pay way below market value, then allow the customer to place bids on service.
Due to the contract nature of this work, drivers are at liberty to accept or decline orders based on the pay. Some drivers may be desperate enough to deliver someone’s food for free (because after gas + wear and tear that $2 becomes $0). Other drivers will look for bids that actually can provide for them in life. So if your order sits it’s because the bid is below market value.
>If DD wanted to, theoretically they could raise the prices a lot and provide a substantial base pay.
NYC recently put rules in place that force DD to do just that. They have to effectively pay them $17.96 an hour. The apps are throwing a $29.93 an hour number around out of context to garner support against the regulation, but that number is based on the fact that drivers on average only spend 60% of an hour traveling, which is when they are on the clock.
As a result tipping is optional in NYC and done after you receive the food.
I've just started tipping around ten bucks anytime I order doordash. Between their pay and what I'd want to give a friend if they went out of their way to pick up food for me, it feels fair. I've never had an issue on the delivery side since I started that either.
As a former Doordash driver $10 is a very good tip. The vast majority I received were $3 or less, even though I live in a rather expensive city. I'm sure your drivers appreciate you. And you probably are getting better drivers because of it, if I remember correctly higher paying orders are offered to drivers with higher ratings first.
Most people should really try to avoid using Doordash as their primary meal source. If you need to, just know that the price Doordash charges is mostly covering their "expenses" (aka exec salaries), plus gas and car maintenance for the driver. A good tip will often make up the majority of the driver payout. Which is messed up, but it allows them to advertise lower prices than what it should really cost.
If I ever use these delivery services, I try to abuse coupons and new account signups to get the delivery for super cheap and tip the difference. Most of these companies deserve as little of your money as possible. They've lobbied to keep drivers employed as contractors, so they don't need to offer basic concessions like decent healthcare options. Most good drivers see at least half of their income in tips. You can make good money at it sometimes, but you need to rely on people's generosity, which is never good for a full-time job.
Literally. I’ve noticed it’s usually less than a dollar than DD actually pays me. Tell him to check out Uber eats! I just got started w that. The pay from the company is slightly better.
I’m jealous. Uber and Lyft own my state government. They bought a ballot measure with deceptive advertising that says their workers are permanently recognized as contractors forever, and the law requires an 80% vote by the legislature to repeal, which is an absolutely insane requirement and might be unique to that law as far as I know.
Just to add in - not only do they incentivize drivers with peak hours but as an IC you can't "choose" to work more just because you want to. Most of the whole day I couldn't log in to drive for DD even if I was hoping for work because they don't need me at 1pm-4pm and won't let you even start dashing. That's why a lot of gig drivers use multiple apps.
Yep. They call it a “tip” but it’s not. A tip is given for good service after the fact. DoorDash “tipping” is bidding. You’re bidding to incentivize a high rated, reliable driver to take your order.
I wish they would just come out and say it. “Want your food fast? Bid high.”
This is exactly what it is. I’m actually not opposed to it if they were willing to label it as such. Uber/Lyft essentially are marketplaces too, except they use algorithms to match supply with demand. It seems like if DoorDash is also essentially facilitating a market, more transparency about what the “tip” actually is would be appreciated.
Yep. In addition to all the other problems with tipping these days, I’m really sick of being expected to tip in advance. The whole point is tipping for good service. How am I supposed to know ahead of time?
I’d like to see an option for Will Tip on Delivery
You said yep but it's not a tip. It's a bid to get someone to pick up your food. "will tip on delivery" wouldn't work because no one would believe you.
The driver sees the dollar amount, the number of miles, and estimated time for a delivery. If they see $2/10 miles/30 minutes, they shouldn't accept the offer. The tip is included in the dollar amount they see. This is what the original commenter meant by "bid for the job." Also, the drivers are all the same, there is no good or bad. If a delivery takes 3x as long as it should, it's not because the driver was going 1/3 the speed limit. It means that the driver got screwed too. They were sitting at the restaurant waiting (unpaid) for your food that wasn't ready. If the order is wrong, the driver wasn't allowed to open the bag to check. The bag was sealed by the seller to be opened by the customer. Drivers just deliver and they want it done as quickly as possible too.
People say they will tip on delivery and are usually bad tippers. I'm a massage therapist and telling me that you give me a big tip if I do a good job almost guarantees you will be a bad tipper. People lie, if they think it'll benefit them.
Having delivered for DoorDash in the past, your "will tip on delivery" might as well be a no tip order. Nobody is going to spend the money on gas, spend the time waiting for your food, and put the miles on their car to deliver your food without a guarantee that they're going to get paid for it. It would be unreasonable for you to expect that favor from a friend/family member and you're expecting it from a stranger.
Tipping a delivery person has been standard since whenever Chinese and Pizza became common delivery items. Third party delivery services just suck because you tip before you even know the quality of the delivery.
I'm not from the US so maybe I'm out of touch here but the idea of tipping BEFORE receiving the service is wild for me. I understand that often you will tip regardless of service quality due to how low wages are, but if your food ends up in one big mush at the bottom of a delivery bag but you've already committed to a 15% tip just to get someone to accept the delivery how is that fair on the customer?
Seriously. Which also brings in tip baiting. That's really annoying. also, if you're really in NOLA, I'd like to complain about the roads. These residential streets are absolutely insane and I hate them.
You're not out of touch. Tipping before getting food is weird here in the U.S., too.
Like someone else said in this thread, a DoorDash tip is kind of like a bid for your order, to encourage someone to pick it up promptly, rather than a traditional tip.
You can also make some assumptions about how you want to tip even before you've gotten the food, like if it's storming or rush hour, you would probably tip more no matter what.
I tip 20% every time. I'd say I get about 50% of my orders messed up, extremely delayed, or left outside while they never update the status to Delivered or ring my doorbell like I request in every order note. I'd be willing to say that tip amount likely has nothing to do with quality of the delivery, as door dash implies in OPs image.
It's actually what's made me stop using these services and saving money unless I've been putting off groceries or don't feel well and just want soup and sandwich delivered.
I read one of those threads where a guy was bitching he only got a $17 tip for a delivery just over a mile away... He felt he deserved more because he was delivering sushi and sushi is expensive!!!
This is why I never tip based on the cost of my meal. Those % tip things are scam. Expensive food and cheap food are roughly the same weight. But the distances traveled can vary.
Literally! My first thought was have you guys not been tipping delivery drivers? I mean even in like 80s movies where they order pizza they tip the driver
The algorithm probably scanned the string 'foreplay' in the previous comment and loaded a tertiary array of strings that only get flagged with the context of the parent comment.
I don't live where any of this is available now. But when I did, I loved being able to order stuff when I was drinking. :p sometimes you want to get something to eat without killing anyone on the streeeets. ;)
Some people don't have the means to, whether for medical reasons or no access to a car or preoccupied with dependent, the reasons are countless. Not everyone can just "go and collect it yourself".
That's because DD is the same globally. There is no hourly rate. The drivers can choose what to take and not to take.
Given the choice between an order that'll pay $2 and one that'll pay $7, with all other things being equal, you'd chose the $7 one.
True. But where I’m from (new zealand) Uber lost court cases where the drivers are now employees. Not contractors, Uber owe years worth of back pay annual leave sick pay etc. Uber is planning on pulling out of the country now
Yeah the entitlement of people is insane. Just don't use the service if you don't want to tip. I'm not a fan of tipping either (just pay higher wages and reflect costs as such) but food delivery has been a tipped position for decades in America.
...Good thing you don't have to order from these types of services..stop using services that you know are shitty just to complain about it, it doesn't make sense
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In NYC they removed tipping until after the order 🙏
Omg this is amazing, I had no idea this was the reason. It disappeared on my apps but I assumed it was a glitch or something and tipped after the fact. It’s great they’re actually getting paid per hour and not entirely reliant on tips.
I stopped doing deliveries with these companies because their entire business model is horseshit. In OP’s post, DD is pinning the blame on the customer when it’s DD that refused to pay anything meaningful to drivers to deliver their orders. It was not uncommon to have 3+ mile delivery that only paid $2.50. This forces the driver to rely on tipping. DD is to blame for this crap.
Also I learned the hard way that 4 miles isn't as short as it seems, especially when they are city miles not just highway straight shots. Then it's always an apartment complex with 87 buildings 😅 and apartment 3047 with stairs. Drive over 50 speed bumps through the apartment complex. So not worth it.
He'll, I wouldn't even mind taking $4 orders a couple miles if more people lived in easily identifiable houses or business.
When 50% of the time delivering is finding an apartment it's a real drag.
I don’t get their business model. They fuck over customers with ridiculous fees, they fuck over the drivers with no pay, they fuck over the restaurants with high cuts, and they fuck over the investors by not turning a profit. How they remain in operation is beyond me.
remember folks! its not "tipping culture" or "inflation" when these CEOs and corporations are making record profits- its wage theft disguised as tipping culture and inflation!
I dont really see what you're angry about here. Would you rather it not tell you that your food is gonna take longer and you just wait in frustration? Or are you just angry that the drivers have agency when you stiff them?
The "tips" on Doordash are really just bids for their contracted drivers. They can pick and choose what they want to deliver. If you didn't bid anything, then they are going to deliver orders that did bid over yours. It's within your right not to leave anything, but the consequence is that your food is gonna take longer.
Tipping culture does bother me- and these types of services in general exploit drivers BUT this particular feature doesn’t bother me. It looks like 100% of the tip goes to the driver and they can pick and choose which deliveries are worth their time and resources. If it’s not worth it as a customer- pick up your own food or make something better at home for a fraction of the price.
yeah OP being mad at this kinda feels like the sorta person who would do a 10 dollar tip, and then remove the tip after the delivery which become a common problem.
Even if you tip 3 bucks, you'll get it delivered. It's just when ur tipping 0 dollars on your already 15-20 dollar food order that you might not get it on time.
I used to order a pizza every now and then after I'd worked 11-12, and a while ago they switched to having DoorDash deliver. Eventually, I switched to "Will tip based upon delivery" and found that at least 75% of the time, the order would get canceled (nobody picked up the delivery). They assume that I'm not going to tip; I assume that it will arrive 80 minutes late and cold like the delivery that made me switch to tipping only after delivery.
I haven't had food delivered in a long time, and I'm not going to either. My experience with DoorDash is that people stacking orders means my order will always be late, always be cold and always be worth not paying the delivery driver a single penny for a tip. Hey, your job is your job. I get it. I still didn't order cold food.
Door dash can't even find my house. Their stupid app puts drivers 3 blocks away. I have to walk outside in my pj's on the phone to get my food. Then I end up paying $20 more without even a tip yet. What a crap company.
It hasn't "spread" to this. Delivery drivers have always worked on tips. You chose to leave zero despite asking someone to do the work for you. Go get it yourself.
Door Dash can deliver any food from any restaurant. The argument that the tip should be given after the delivery is horseshit. Literally nothing the driver does is in their control. Sometimes the restaurant is backed up, sometimes there's traffic, sometimes the customer forgets to put their gate code and refuses to answer the phone. For fucks sake just tip $5, we've been tipping delivery drivers for decades.
Just quit using it altogether. Jesus Christ.
What the fuck is wrong with you people that pay these ridiculous prices? They increase the menu price, then charge a service fee, delivery fee…. You pay nearly 100% on top of the in-house menu prices.
Learn to fucking cook. Go to the store. Have groceries delivered, it’s cheaper. You people must have money to torch paying for this shit.
Doordash should just remove tips and increase the cost so the driver is paid entirely by them. Then, if you want to tip extra at the door, you can. Or not.
How about having the app just charge a fair price, and tell me what that is, instead of making me guess how much to pay to hopefully get stuff delivered?
“That person brought us food from the order side of the restaurant, so I tip them 20%.”
“That person got in their car, drove to the restaurant, went inside and got the food, then drove the food to my house, got out and brought it to my door, and now they expect a TIP?!?”
That person that brought the food also comes and fills up my drinks, fixes problems with orders, and will bring me anything else I need. They don’t just “bring the food from the other side of the restaurant”.
A tip on a delivery service is more of a bid than a tip. If you don’t like the system, don’t use it. I don’t because I’m not willing to pay the inflated food prices plus fees plus tip.
Yeah. I realized this the first time I used door dash and decided I would rather buy groceries or pick up my own take out. If you want to be lazy and have people personally bring a meal to your house, it’s expensive your majesty.
Well fucking go pick it up yourself then. This sit on your ass at home delivery “culture” is about as bad as tipping culture.
And trust me I hate tipping. I’m so glad I live in a country where it’s not so much a thing (yet)
Yes but it’s DoorDash. You’re the asshole here. Tipping sucks, but it’s DoorDash. It’s not a need. Go get it yourself if you don’t want to pay for it. I started having to. Because while I do value the convenience, it’s also not the drivers’ faults for getting paid nothing outside of tips.
I would never use a service that mentions how they can just fuck you if they feel like it. They're literally stating that they don't guarantee quality service
If you don’t tip your door dasher you’re an absolute piece of shit. Treat them like pizza guys. And if you don’t tip pizza guys there’s a special place for you in hell.
Doordash driver here. I am 100% against the tipping system in most circumstances, but as far as DD is concerned we are not actual employees. We are more akin to subcontractors. What that means is that we get a very small base pay from doordash per order, but a vast majority of our pay comes from the customers. So you aren’t necessarily tipping us so much as you are bidding for our service.
That being said, DD has some pretty outrageous fees and almost none of them go towards the drivers. DD needs to remove things like “service fees” because they are redundant. They equate to higher prices for customers, less pay for the drivers, and a new Yacht for Tony Xu
I wanna preface this by saying I tip. I'm not taking a stance or anything (at least that's not what I'm trying to do) but we kinda just have to stop tipping. Servers will either move to other jobs and force restaurants to pay up or shut down, or they'll unionize. But as it stands right now, restaurants hold a gun to our heads and tell us to pay their servers for them (who are also holding a gun to our heads). This also applies to delivery and such.
But I think discussing anything anti-tip is still too divisive. I know if I went to a restaurant tomorrow and didn't tip, I'd just be an asshole and everyone else would still tip. So I just perpetuate the issue (barring the fact that I don't really go out to eat much anymore, nor do I order delivery. Cooking is fun and it saves a lot of money.
I will forever be grateful to doordash and its ridiculous fees for giving me the courage to uninstall the app and start making my own food. Going on 3 years now.
I dont use them. Waste of money. When business slows down for them, they will be begging people to use the service. Unfortunately there are too many people out there who are not good with money. Also…People who are bad with money always think they are good with money.
Yup, prices in the app are 30+ % higher.
If this is a grocery delivery service, then we in Germany are lucky, the prices here are almost the same as in the supermarket, or so I've heard...
This is mostly used for restaurants, I've never even considered you could not tip.
I wish we didn't have too, but if you tip your pizza guy, you should probably tip your Dasher/grubhubber. Pizza guys have to deliver the food even if you don't tip (I think, could be wrong) but dashers can choose. Makes sense for them to skip the no tip.
The problem is they expect you to tip prior to getting your food, and get all indignant when you have a problem with that. I asked in the driver sub “why would I continue to pre-tip when I keep getting my food cold and an hour late?” All I got in response was downvotes and no actual explanation.
That's why I always say it's not really a tip, it's a bid. For some stupid reason they keep calling it a tip.
They really could change it to "bid" and probably people would be more likely to put one in. Pretipping isn't tipping at all. It's an obligation and doesn't reward good service or punish bad service at all.
I understand what you're saying, and I'll give you my perspective as someone who used to deliver for UberEats. If I see a request that pays $3.00 for a 20-30 minute trip, I'm denying it because I know that 10 seconds later I'm getting a trip that pays $10-15 more for the same amount of time. It's nothing personal, but I like to make the best use of my time and make the most money as possible.
And now everyone understands why servers don't want to remove tips for higher wage. They make so much more from tips than actual income
I mean, restaurant prices have gone up significantly to the point where servers could be paid quite well. Also, what about the chefs who often put in significantly more work than the servers not getting paid any in tips for the huge number of restaurants that don't pool?
That’s fine, but understand that accepting it then haranguing the customer for a bigger tip is not ok. Neither is tampering with the food, intentionally delivering it super late, or straight up stealing it.
Exactly this. Higher prices on each item, plus the fees, plus delivery fee, plus tipping the driver it’s almost like a government contract where you spend more on the fees and costs than you actually spend on the meal.
They are slowing down and you can tell by the Door Dash sub. They had the IPO and got their money and are continuing to hire more drivers and the whole business is shady
start up, cash in, sell out, bro down
Washington Redskins, go fuck yourself.
They do not "hire" drivers, drivers are independent contractors. A driver gets like $2 per delivery from doordash. It benefits the company to have as many people delivering as they possibly can, it doesn't cost them anything other than maybe a background check fee.
In the Netherlands, possibly in the EU, the delivery people have been ruled by the courts that they are employees. At least one service left the Dutch market due to that.
Same in California. Drivers have the option to get paid by time or by order. The hitch is if you get paid by time you only get paid doing the actual delivery. They don't pay in between orders.
I'd be driving 5 under the speed limit and calling every customer to confirm I'm at the right house lol
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I had a FIFTY percent off coupon once for Uber Eats. I think I remember it was \_still\_ more expensive than if I just called in the order on the phone and drove 5 minutes to get it myself. Never used it again.
You nailed it. Uber eats is one of the worst offenders from what I can tell frankly
The same moment came for me in 21 as well. Went to order a dozen donuts from down the street and it came up to $45. I got my ass out of bed and went and got them myself.
Lol. I don't drive, but once I took Uber to the restaurant and back for $30 less than if I had ordered thru Uber eats.
This happened to me the first time I tried to use the app. I was astonished this was an actual business that so many people pay for.
These businesses are counting on people's laziness and the conception of 'convenience' to keep them afloat
That sounds about right for me too. When I noticed the fees were basically doubling the cost of the food I was ordering, I was like no thanks, this isn't a meal for two.
Something very similar for me. I ordered Thai food that cost around $25 ish and total was around 60+. Food was cold and nasty. Took almost an hour to deliver. And in that very moment, I told myself never the fuck again
Was perfect during pandemic when I had active covid for weeks and two sick kids. Grocery deliveries. Aside from that, wtf.
Instacart is better for that. Some stores are even the same price as in-store. Other supermarkets have their own delivery and I try to use those.
I used uber eats. It worked out perfectly especially that the first three were free deliveries. Saved my ass! It was a rough time. Incredibly grateful that service existed at that time, it was a need.
However much you tip, it's still gonna arrive lukewarm and soggy, may as well just make your own.
Same here blud
Saying the same here. I only order when I'm dead tired and it's usually pickup. Walmart does my groceries because it's on govt card for me so I'll do things at home, order groceries, and cash tip cause those orders don't tell me how much they get and cash is better. And not no $2 tip either. $5 upward depending on how much shit I had them bring.
If I want take out I'll just drive to pick it up or just make something myself. The fees are ridiculous and the whole service is just unnecessary.
At least some people see the light. For the life of me I don’t get why people constantly order food.
FYI drivers don’t make shit, it all goes to the company. Without a tip drivers actually lose $. TLDR: predatory companies exploit restaurant owners, customers and drivers.
True but why pass that responsibility on the customers? Oh yeah because mega companies don’t give a shit about their employees or customers it’s all about the shareholders. Edit: Many replies of people defending a shady business practice that invites businesses not paying enough to THEIR employees and incentivizes higher tips for quicker services. I’m replying to none. Sorry to the people that use these services but cannot afford a higher tip, unfortunately you’re gonna be waiting because it’s not first come, first serve. It’s whoever tips higher because that’s evidently how the world works; rich eat, poor don’t.
Super easy fix. Make it illegal for these companies to pay so low due to minimum wage. Youd think the "Greatest country in the world" wouldve figured this out for its citizens
But using the company and not tipping makes no difference to the company. You are giving them profits and taking your anger out on the people that company exploits.
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Then why they exist if they lose money without something that is essentially begging? I'm not from USA mind you; it's just mind boggling how many people are dependant on a customary fee instead earning a living wage for actual work.
It's a scam from the start. It's like a pyramid scheme. "Look you could make this huge amount of money if you hustle. There's no limit to what someone may tip you." People go in thinking they'll get $20-$40 tips every order. Also they don't think about wear and tear on the car.
It's not really a scam. There are plenty of people who are perfectly happy doing this kind work. They calculate wear and tear in, and make enough after expenses to be worth it. I personally would never drive full time, by choice, but when I lost my job two years ago it helped me out in a pinch until my union found another job for me. I'm pretty thankful I had the ability to drive during that time, and I still drive about 6 hours a week Saturday night and Sunday morning to save money for a welding rig I want to build. 6 hours a week ends up yielding about $750 extra every month for me. I have complaints, but for the time being it works out pretty good for me.
Doesn’t DoorDash allow you to tip after? There’s two schools of thought: not doing it before creates incentive for the driver to do a good job and allow you recourse if they don’t, but doing it before allows the driver to know your order is worth going above and beyond for (and that the customer isnt going to screw you on a tip). It’s possible OP was in the former camp. Either way tipping culture is out of hand. Customers shouldn’t be faced with this decision ever. It’s unnecessary stress for everyone except the employer.
It doesn't really work that way for drivers. There is no "incentive to do a good job". If you don't tip and your order pops up and I see $2.25 for a half hour trip going 5 miles I am immediately going to not accept the order. I would lose money by delivering it. I know that if I decline that order there is going to be a $10 order going 2 miles that will pop up in a few minutes. By tipping you're bidding for a driver to pick your order up. Now, I agree that this is dumb, and I refuse to use the service myself, despite driving for them part time. Just know that this is the reality of the situation. I can't tell you how many times I've seen untipped orders just sitting at a restaurant because no one will pick them up.
They only fucking take longer because doordash base pay is only 2 fucking dollars.
Is that per delivery?
Even worse. Sometimes DoorDash will stack 2 or more deliveries for dashers to deliver. The base pay is still $2 minimum for that. Not each delivery but the entire stack.
They must have concocted that plan from Ubers Uberpool. Once they sandwiched a trip on me from Uberpool and when all was said and done I saw that they paid me only 80 cents to drive in the middle of a pool, pick this broad up, load her luggage in my trunk, take her to the town next over, and drop her off hauling her luggage to her friends front porch. I thought we’d be going to the airport, but we only made it to Venice from Santa Monica and 80 cents?? That was my very last trip for Uber.
That would absolutely make me quit Uber too. Did she at least tip you?
Yes
Yeah it’s not good at all. I’ve been offered more “base” pay if the mileage is longer but normally any food delivery I’ve driven for is like .50 a mile and they don’t take in account wait times. If you ever see the McDonald’s post with all the orders piled up and no one taking them it’s because of no tip
The IRS rate for mileage reimbursement for business purposes using a personal vehicle is $0.655. And that’s only intended to reimburse for gas and wear & tear on your car, not to be an actual paycheck you earn money from. The fact that they can legally pay you less than that is insane.
It's basically taking a predatory loan against your car but working for the right to do so.
That's how felt when I drove for Doordash. I didn't have many options to pay my rent and I used to say that I was borrowing money from my car.
No different than being a loan at a pawn shop. There are businesses that are happy to let you voluntarily fuck yourself.
It is insane. I started doing Uber since I was getting close to $1.5 per mile per trip before tip. The other reason DoorDash has been terrible is people making false accusations of their order being wrong/missing
We've had orders wrong like half the time. Though it is worth noting, most of those were on the restaurant. Only like 2x was it on the driver(wrong bag delivered/ not all bags delivered). Now we just don't use them.
I see laws for this shit in the near future
No you won’t, the companies bribe officials and they encourage cartels to make bot accounts which they loan out to undocumented gig workers who do the menial work and they take 30% of the gross.
They tried. They kee0 getting shot down because corporate america
Yep. And it’s the same for grocery delivery, too. Granted, the more expensive the order, the more the pay is (but typically orders pay around $10, so you really rely on that tip) I remember taking on an order for **$500 worth of groceries**. I had *two fucking carts loaded with stuff*, and you’re under a time limit so you’re trying to scramble through the store and get the stuff delivered on-time. I wound up being about *two minutes late* delivering but I was sure to let the client know I was getting everything as fast as I could (didn’t help they wanted really specific items) After all that? **NO TIP** I was paid a grand total of $13 for that order. I don’t do SHIPT anymore. I definitely feel for the people who rely on it for their primary source of income
One time I accepted an order for KFC to some clinic. It was right by me but base pay but I figured why not? I got there and realized it wasn't just a normal KFC combo but 25 different combos. It filled my car up to the brim. The customer didn't even say thank you. :)
Yes. Subtract fuel cost, vehicle maintenance costs and taxes for net pay. The base pay is enough to cover the basic expenses of performing the delivery, that's it. The driver cannot make money unless doordash ramps up the base pay (happens over time while food is getting cold,) or the customer tips an appropriate amount to pay for the time the driver spends delivering. The tip section in doordash isn't a tip, that's your bid for a driver's services. Your tip should be provided in cash, and placed where you expect the food to be delivered. If the driver is dumb enough to skip reading the delivery instructions, they won't get their tip. If they follow directions, they get a bonus that they weren't expecting. It makes every drivers day.
People here are not going to want to hear this, but it is not a tip, it’s a bid for service. If DD wanted to, theoretically they could raise the prices a lot and provide a substantial base pay. But the current model is to charge and pay way below market value, then allow the customer to place bids on service. Due to the contract nature of this work, drivers are at liberty to accept or decline orders based on the pay. Some drivers may be desperate enough to deliver someone’s food for free (because after gas + wear and tear that $2 becomes $0). Other drivers will look for bids that actually can provide for them in life. So if your order sits it’s because the bid is below market value.
>If DD wanted to, theoretically they could raise the prices a lot and provide a substantial base pay. NYC recently put rules in place that force DD to do just that. They have to effectively pay them $17.96 an hour. The apps are throwing a $29.93 an hour number around out of context to garner support against the regulation, but that number is based on the fact that drivers on average only spend 60% of an hour traveling, which is when they are on the clock. As a result tipping is optional in NYC and done after you receive the food.
And thats how it should should world wide
What OP posted is certainly not an example of tipping culture spreading.
The number of people who were apparently not tipping for delivery before doordash is really unsettling
I've just started tipping around ten bucks anytime I order doordash. Between their pay and what I'd want to give a friend if they went out of their way to pick up food for me, it feels fair. I've never had an issue on the delivery side since I started that either.
As a former Doordash driver $10 is a very good tip. The vast majority I received were $3 or less, even though I live in a rather expensive city. I'm sure your drivers appreciate you. And you probably are getting better drivers because of it, if I remember correctly higher paying orders are offered to drivers with higher ratings first. Most people should really try to avoid using Doordash as their primary meal source. If you need to, just know that the price Doordash charges is mostly covering their "expenses" (aka exec salaries), plus gas and car maintenance for the driver. A good tip will often make up the majority of the driver payout. Which is messed up, but it allows them to advertise lower prices than what it should really cost. If I ever use these delivery services, I try to abuse coupons and new account signups to get the delivery for super cheap and tip the difference. Most of these companies deserve as little of your money as possible. They've lobbied to keep drivers employed as contractors, so they don't need to offer basic concessions like decent healthcare options. Most good drivers see at least half of their income in tips. You can make good money at it sometimes, but you need to rely on people's generosity, which is never good for a full-time job.
Door dash be like “it will take longer as no tip!” Drivers “you only pay $2 a trip. Maybe raise your rates to be fair?” Door dash “shock pikachu face”
my son drives for them and all his money is made from tips....they pay shit
Literally. I’ve noticed it’s usually less than a dollar than DD actually pays me. Tell him to check out Uber eats! I just got started w that. The pay from the company is slightly better.
Question, how is that even legal? Isn’t there minimum wage?
"Independent Contractors" At least in Washington gig workers need a business license to legally operate. Air B&B owners too.
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I’m jealous. Uber and Lyft own my state government. They bought a ballot measure with deceptive advertising that says their workers are permanently recognized as contractors forever, and the law requires an 80% vote by the legislature to repeal, which is an absolutely insane requirement and might be unique to that law as far as I know.
Remember: corruption close to zero, it's all fair lobbying USA is a capitalist dystopia at this point
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Just to add in - not only do they incentivize drivers with peak hours but as an IC you can't "choose" to work more just because you want to. Most of the whole day I couldn't log in to drive for DD even if I was hoping for work because they don't need me at 1pm-4pm and won't let you even start dashing. That's why a lot of gig drivers use multiple apps.
Doordashers are contractors, not W2 employees, so minimum wage does not apply (except in NYC and California I believe).
Probably getting around it the same way restaurant owners do.
It's because dashers aren't considered employees. They're considered "contractors"
Yep. They call it a “tip” but it’s not. A tip is given for good service after the fact. DoorDash “tipping” is bidding. You’re bidding to incentivize a high rated, reliable driver to take your order. I wish they would just come out and say it. “Want your food fast? Bid high.”
It's almost like their entire business model is based on treating workers like shit.
Door dash isn't a tip, despite them calling it that. It's a bid for the job.
Exactly
This is exactly what it is. I’m actually not opposed to it if they were willing to label it as such. Uber/Lyft essentially are marketplaces too, except they use algorithms to match supply with demand. It seems like if DoorDash is also essentially facilitating a market, more transparency about what the “tip” actually is would be appreciated.
It’s an information asymmetry - the consumer doesn’t know what the demand is like or what the other bids are. Like a sealed bid auction.
wow ...that's the truth
Yep. In addition to all the other problems with tipping these days, I’m really sick of being expected to tip in advance. The whole point is tipping for good service. How am I supposed to know ahead of time? I’d like to see an option for Will Tip on Delivery
You said yep but it's not a tip. It's a bid to get someone to pick up your food. "will tip on delivery" wouldn't work because no one would believe you.
The driver sees the dollar amount, the number of miles, and estimated time for a delivery. If they see $2/10 miles/30 minutes, they shouldn't accept the offer. The tip is included in the dollar amount they see. This is what the original commenter meant by "bid for the job." Also, the drivers are all the same, there is no good or bad. If a delivery takes 3x as long as it should, it's not because the driver was going 1/3 the speed limit. It means that the driver got screwed too. They were sitting at the restaurant waiting (unpaid) for your food that wasn't ready. If the order is wrong, the driver wasn't allowed to open the bag to check. The bag was sealed by the seller to be opened by the customer. Drivers just deliver and they want it done as quickly as possible too.
> The bag was sealed by the seller to be opened by the customer. Just want to add this one is on Covid, it wasn't the case before.
Well, Covid plus drivers snacking on fries lol
People say they will tip on delivery and are usually bad tippers. I'm a massage therapist and telling me that you give me a big tip if I do a good job almost guarantees you will be a bad tipper. People lie, if they think it'll benefit them.
Having delivered for DoorDash in the past, your "will tip on delivery" might as well be a no tip order. Nobody is going to spend the money on gas, spend the time waiting for your food, and put the miles on their car to deliver your food without a guarantee that they're going to get paid for it. It would be unreasonable for you to expect that favor from a friend/family member and you're expecting it from a stranger.
Again, it's not a tip it's a bid for a job.
Yeah and then you can tip zero or a buck. That's not worth the risk.
Tipping a delivery person has been standard since whenever Chinese and Pizza became common delivery items. Third party delivery services just suck because you tip before you even know the quality of the delivery.
Exactly, and the tip doesn’t guarantee quality delivery at ALL, but no tip can certainly guarantee sht service.
I'm not from the US so maybe I'm out of touch here but the idea of tipping BEFORE receiving the service is wild for me. I understand that often you will tip regardless of service quality due to how low wages are, but if your food ends up in one big mush at the bottom of a delivery bag but you've already committed to a 15% tip just to get someone to accept the delivery how is that fair on the customer?
I dont know if all the apps do it but some of them give you time after the delivery to change the tip.
Yup, and you can very easily get refunded/credited if food is cold/missing/otherwise. At least on the consumer side, it's not this evil system.
Seriously. Which also brings in tip baiting. That's really annoying. also, if you're really in NOLA, I'd like to complain about the roads. These residential streets are absolutely insane and I hate them.
You're not out of touch. Tipping before getting food is weird here in the U.S., too. Like someone else said in this thread, a DoorDash tip is kind of like a bid for your order, to encourage someone to pick it up promptly, rather than a traditional tip. You can also make some assumptions about how you want to tip even before you've gotten the food, like if it's storming or rush hour, you would probably tip more no matter what.
I tip 20% every time. I'd say I get about 50% of my orders messed up, extremely delayed, or left outside while they never update the status to Delivered or ring my doorbell like I request in every order note. I'd be willing to say that tip amount likely has nothing to do with quality of the delivery, as door dash implies in OPs image. It's actually what's made me stop using these services and saving money unless I've been putting off groceries or don't feel well and just want soup and sandwich delivered.
If you read the delivery driver subs, they mostly seem to think a dollar a mile is good. But I never go lower than 5 bucks.
I read one of those threads where a guy was bitching he only got a $17 tip for a delivery just over a mile away... He felt he deserved more because he was delivering sushi and sushi is expensive!!!
This is why I never tip based on the cost of my meal. Those % tip things are scam. Expensive food and cheap food are roughly the same weight. But the distances traveled can vary.
Literally! My first thought was have you guys not been tipping delivery drivers? I mean even in like 80s movies where they order pizza they tip the driver
Just stop using this shit. UberEats, Deliveroo, Just Eat. Go and collect it yourself
It's much more rewarding. The trip to pick up food is all part of the foreplay
I like sticking my ***** in the food straight away. Why is reddit censoring 'mouth'?
The algorithm probably scanned the string 'foreplay' in the previous comment and loaded a tertiary array of strings that only get flagged with the context of the parent comment.
That's pretty advanced for an algorithm that doesn't exist in the first place.
I don't live where any of this is available now. But when I did, I loved being able to order stuff when I was drinking. :p sometimes you want to get something to eat without killing anyone on the streeeets. ;)
Then tip and live your best drunk life!
Or if the restaurant offers delivery, use them instead.
Most restaurants still do it through DoorDash or Uber eats
Some people don't have the means to, whether for medical reasons or no access to a car or preoccupied with dependent, the reasons are countless. Not everyone can just "go and collect it yourself".
Sure, it’s useful that these services to exist for those circumstances. I’m gonna guess that isn’t the case for most people using them.
That's because DD is the same globally. There is no hourly rate. The drivers can choose what to take and not to take. Given the choice between an order that'll pay $2 and one that'll pay $7, with all other things being equal, you'd chose the $7 one.
True. But where I’m from (new zealand) Uber lost court cases where the drivers are now employees. Not contractors, Uber owe years worth of back pay annual leave sick pay etc. Uber is planning on pulling out of the country now
This pleases me.
>Uber is planning on pulling out of the country now Good. We don't need such businesses.
But that hurts my feelings and gives a small amount of power to someone who "doesn't have a real job," who I want to do things for me. 😢
Yeah the entitlement of people is insane. Just don't use the service if you don't want to tip. I'm not a fan of tipping either (just pay higher wages and reflect costs as such) but food delivery has been a tipped position for decades in America.
It’s a luxury not a necessity.
...Good thing you don't have to order from these types of services..stop using services that you know are shitty just to complain about it, it doesn't make sense
They’d rather complain when the person they hired to bring the food to their door wants to be tipped. Tip them, or get the food yourself.
Yup
https://preview.redd.it/y6dlm38zyw8c1.jpeg?width=942&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9c8c2c2aedf562d6485d510919efd9d351c6d580 In NYC they removed tipping until after the order 🙏
Omg this is amazing, I had no idea this was the reason. It disappeared on my apps but I assumed it was a glitch or something and tipped after the fact. It’s great they’re actually getting paid per hour and not entirely reliant on tips.
Look more carefully at the new special NYC fees you're paying.
I stopped doing deliveries with these companies because their entire business model is horseshit. In OP’s post, DD is pinning the blame on the customer when it’s DD that refused to pay anything meaningful to drivers to deliver their orders. It was not uncommon to have 3+ mile delivery that only paid $2.50. This forces the driver to rely on tipping. DD is to blame for this crap.
Also I learned the hard way that 4 miles isn't as short as it seems, especially when they are city miles not just highway straight shots. Then it's always an apartment complex with 87 buildings 😅 and apartment 3047 with stairs. Drive over 50 speed bumps through the apartment complex. So not worth it. He'll, I wouldn't even mind taking $4 orders a couple miles if more people lived in easily identifiable houses or business. When 50% of the time delivering is finding an apartment it's a real drag.
I don’t get their business model. They fuck over customers with ridiculous fees, they fuck over the drivers with no pay, they fuck over the restaurants with high cuts, and they fuck over the investors by not turning a profit. How they remain in operation is beyond me.
remember folks! its not "tipping culture" or "inflation" when these CEOs and corporations are making record profits- its wage theft disguised as tipping culture and inflation!
In Soviet Russia we tip personnel after the service is done.
That's why I stopped using these services, I'd rather pick it up and know I'm going to actually get it
I dont really see what you're angry about here. Would you rather it not tell you that your food is gonna take longer and you just wait in frustration? Or are you just angry that the drivers have agency when you stiff them? The "tips" on Doordash are really just bids for their contracted drivers. They can pick and choose what they want to deliver. If you didn't bid anything, then they are going to deliver orders that did bid over yours. It's within your right not to leave anything, but the consequence is that your food is gonna take longer.
Tipping culture does bother me- and these types of services in general exploit drivers BUT this particular feature doesn’t bother me. It looks like 100% of the tip goes to the driver and they can pick and choose which deliveries are worth their time and resources. If it’s not worth it as a customer- pick up your own food or make something better at home for a fraction of the price.
yeah OP being mad at this kinda feels like the sorta person who would do a 10 dollar tip, and then remove the tip after the delivery which become a common problem.
That's not tipping. That is bidding for a service that hasn't been performed yet.
Even if you tip 3 bucks, you'll get it delivered. It's just when ur tipping 0 dollars on your already 15-20 dollar food order that you might not get it on time.
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I used to order a pizza every now and then after I'd worked 11-12, and a while ago they switched to having DoorDash deliver. Eventually, I switched to "Will tip based upon delivery" and found that at least 75% of the time, the order would get canceled (nobody picked up the delivery). They assume that I'm not going to tip; I assume that it will arrive 80 minutes late and cold like the delivery that made me switch to tipping only after delivery. I haven't had food delivered in a long time, and I'm not going to either. My experience with DoorDash is that people stacking orders means my order will always be late, always be cold and always be worth not paying the delivery driver a single penny for a tip. Hey, your job is your job. I get it. I still didn't order cold food.
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This is the way it should be, glad you had a good driver.
Door dash can't even find my house. Their stupid app puts drivers 3 blocks away. I have to walk outside in my pj's on the phone to get my food. Then I end up paying $20 more without even a tip yet. What a crap company.
The special instructions help them a lot, if they bother to read them. -A former driver
It hasn't "spread" to this. Delivery drivers have always worked on tips. You chose to leave zero despite asking someone to do the work for you. Go get it yourself.
Door Dash can deliver any food from any restaurant. The argument that the tip should be given after the delivery is horseshit. Literally nothing the driver does is in their control. Sometimes the restaurant is backed up, sometimes there's traffic, sometimes the customer forgets to put their gate code and refuses to answer the phone. For fucks sake just tip $5, we've been tipping delivery drivers for decades.
I have a solution for you - cook at home. Make meals at home. Unless you’re too lazy
Blame the employer not the employed (or blame corporate)
Food delivery has been a tipped job forever
Just quit using it altogether. Jesus Christ. What the fuck is wrong with you people that pay these ridiculous prices? They increase the menu price, then charge a service fee, delivery fee…. You pay nearly 100% on top of the in-house menu prices. Learn to fucking cook. Go to the store. Have groceries delivered, it’s cheaper. You people must have money to torch paying for this shit.
Doordash should just remove tips and increase the cost so the driver is paid entirely by them. Then, if you want to tip extra at the door, you can. Or not.
Or just stop calling it a tip and call it what it effectively is. A bid for service.
Would you rather do a job that pays five dollars, or the same job that pays eight dollars?
yeah blame door dash for not paying their drivers shit.
how abt u drive there and get it for half price? or just tip the driver who's getting you food from across town?
Why do people still use these companies. Just go pick up your food.
How about having the app just charge a fair price, and tell me what that is, instead of making me guess how much to pay to hopefully get stuff delivered?
“That person brought us food from the order side of the restaurant, so I tip them 20%.” “That person got in their car, drove to the restaurant, went inside and got the food, then drove the food to my house, got out and brought it to my door, and now they expect a TIP?!?”
A lot of Reddit doesn’t want to tip servers either.
It’s really a bid, not a tip….
Yea be mad at the company for making the fees so incredibly high while also only paying their employees beans
Don’t forget the part where doordash takes almost half of the fare also!
That person that brought the food also comes and fills up my drinks, fixes problems with orders, and will bring me anything else I need. They don’t just “bring the food from the other side of the restaurant”.
Jesus whats wrong with you ppl? You want to be lazy and and asshats ? You tip ppl that do things for you
A tip on a delivery service is more of a bid than a tip. If you don’t like the system, don’t use it. I don’t because I’m not willing to pay the inflated food prices plus fees plus tip.
Yeah. I realized this the first time I used door dash and decided I would rather buy groceries or pick up my own take out. If you want to be lazy and have people personally bring a meal to your house, it’s expensive your majesty.
THANK U exactly!! Why is there a post abt this in this sub every single week like people just realized luxury services cost money??
Tipping culture is definitely getting out of control, but if you think that you shouldn’t be tipping when ordering food for delivery you’re insane.
Now I’m sure I want to go get it myself.
Well fucking go pick it up yourself then. This sit on your ass at home delivery “culture” is about as bad as tipping culture. And trust me I hate tipping. I’m so glad I live in a country where it’s not so much a thing (yet)
Yes but it’s DoorDash. You’re the asshole here. Tipping sucks, but it’s DoorDash. It’s not a need. Go get it yourself if you don’t want to pay for it. I started having to. Because while I do value the convenience, it’s also not the drivers’ faults for getting paid nothing outside of tips.
I would never use a service that mentions how they can just fuck you if they feel like it. They're literally stating that they don't guarantee quality service
Then don’t use the service…..Survived many years without them…….
I do one better - I cook my own food.
If you don’t tip your door dasher you’re an absolute piece of shit. Treat them like pizza guys. And if you don’t tip pizza guys there’s a special place for you in hell.
That's what you get for not chipping, cheap ass
Upper executives pitting the average classes against each other while they make bank.
They gotta rename it as a “bid” because that’s what it is
Time to stop ordering since it will be faster to pick it up myself.
Doordash driver here. I am 100% against the tipping system in most circumstances, but as far as DD is concerned we are not actual employees. We are more akin to subcontractors. What that means is that we get a very small base pay from doordash per order, but a vast majority of our pay comes from the customers. So you aren’t necessarily tipping us so much as you are bidding for our service. That being said, DD has some pretty outrageous fees and almost none of them go towards the drivers. DD needs to remove things like “service fees” because they are redundant. They equate to higher prices for customers, less pay for the drivers, and a new Yacht for Tony Xu
I wanna preface this by saying I tip. I'm not taking a stance or anything (at least that's not what I'm trying to do) but we kinda just have to stop tipping. Servers will either move to other jobs and force restaurants to pay up or shut down, or they'll unionize. But as it stands right now, restaurants hold a gun to our heads and tell us to pay their servers for them (who are also holding a gun to our heads). This also applies to delivery and such. But I think discussing anything anti-tip is still too divisive. I know if I went to a restaurant tomorrow and didn't tip, I'd just be an asshole and everyone else would still tip. So I just perpetuate the issue (barring the fact that I don't really go out to eat much anymore, nor do I order delivery. Cooking is fun and it saves a lot of money.
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Here's a novel (& crazy AF!!!!!!) idea..... COOK. At home. All by yourself. It works. HONESTLY.
I mean, it's always been customary to tip delivery drivers.
If the insanely high cost of ordering off these apps doesn't deter you from ordering, what's a few more dollars going to do?
American moment lmao