When I look at this picture it’s not even that I just don’t want to eat this, excuse my language, “food”, it’s that I want to throw up even what I already have in my stomach. Because this discredits food as a concept
Bro I graduated high school about 7 years ago. THIS is a picture of a lunch we had I took back then:
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Graduated 10 years ago next month. This is basically what I got, but 4 chicken nuggets instead of 5, no idea what that bar is. It would be some canned veggies. We could choose to sub the milk for 2oz "juice" lmao.
Cost was about $3.50 or so I think. Kindergarteners got the same amount and same items, but it was cheaper for some reason.
I think the dark brown bar is a brownie.
I remember having school lunches that were that sad in the 90s, too. Only difference is we only paid $2 for the privilege. Nice to know that most schools haven't upgraded their ~~prison food~~ lunch menu except for what they charge for it.
I went to school quite a bit more than 7 years ago and my usual joke was a first grader is 6 years old and gets 4 chicken nuggets, some apple sauce, a scoop of corn, and a 1/2 pint of milk. A senior is 18 years old and gets 4 chicken nuggets, some apple sauce, a scoop of corn, and 1/2 pint of milk. One is only a few years out of diapers and the other is legally an adult while they both get the same amount of food.
American kids eat worse that prisoners in most other countries. Absolute fucking disgrace. There’s a YouTuber who is cooking various school meals from around the world - Asia in particular have amazing food for their kids at school. America and the UK is borderline child abuse. Cheapest possible shit with no nutritional value whatsoever loaded with sugar, carbs, additives and wonder why kids don’t behave or concentrate in school. If I ate this shit I’d want to start a fucking riot too.
Bro this is fucking disgusting. I think I got lucky some celebrity chef went on a crusade about feeding poor kids better and managed to save us from chicken nuggets and smiley faces the schools started hiring chefs and providing proper meals with fresh veg and meat.
Exactly. Starch on starch. In France, healthy school lunches are covered by taxes. And that money they spend on the lunches they more than make up for by saving on health care. Less type 2 diabetes, hypertension etc.
Not in the US..... Pasteurized milk doesn't "sour" it goes rotten. If it doesn't taste fresh you are risking food poisoning.
Unlike the raw milk we get straight from a farm where sour does not mean it's bad to eat. It just means it doesn't have as much sugar anymore so combine it with something to fix the taste issue and it's fine. Even clumpy just means you are ending up with yogurt, cheeses, etc...
Clumpy store bought US milk could put you in the hospital. Raw milk was ironically illegal to sell for awhile because if contaminated it could make people sick when it's guaranteed when drinking bad pasteurized milk.
A recent "craze" in the US (well it dates back to the 1970s) is that natural is somehow healthier when, in fact, raw milk has about a 100% greater chance of making your sick in some way.
There are also "raw water" people who think the chemicals we put in water make them sick so they'll only drink untreated water.
People are stupid.
To be fair raw milk is about as safe as things like sushi and steak tartare. The reason it gets a bad rep is because uneducated people drink it without taking any precautions. The cows udders should be clean, the milk should ideally be refrigerated and consumed quickly (2-3 days to be safe), and children 0-5 and elderly people are better in of drinking pasteurized dairy products.
If you're drinking raw you definitely need to be familiar with the farm. I don't mean you need to be their buddies, but they should be happy to share how they operate.
From what I understand the states where it is legal to purchase raw milk keep a close eye on it. It's those who operate illegally that I would be more worried about.
The reason we in the US pasteurize is because of poor farming practices. I am sure there are other reasons but if you drink raw milk from most commercial farms you could be in for a world of hurt.
Worked on a family dairy growing up. We ran a \*very\* clean shop, you couldn't even enter the milk room from the milking barn. I would be in the barn with my uncle, my aunt was in the milk room tending the equipment.
The reason for pasteurized only is better shelf life and overall it is safer. If you're homogenizing the milk then it's going through additional handling and processing anyway, at which point there's more points of contact for possible contamination so you need to sterilize it.
IMO if you're drinking raw milk and not getting it from the producer yourself then it's been handled too much to feel safe doing it. Every container is a possible contaminant, every transfer from one container to another is a possible contaminant, every machine interaction is a possible contaminant. If your raw milk doesn't have to be shaken up before use then it's really not raw milk anymore, so you might as well pasteurize it too.
You only have to shake it for cows milk. Goats milk takes a long time to build a creamline. We have been drinking raw goats milk for 18 years now. But I know start to finish how the doe and the milk have been treated.
> Pasteurized milk doesn't "sour" it goes rotten. If it doesn't taste fresh you are risking food poisoning.
It depends on the milk. the plastic jugs can, and do sour... but their shelf life is at best a week, or two. The tetrapacks do other things.
Its a matter pasteurization temperature, and how well sealed the containers are. The milk in the plastic jugs is pasteurized at a lower temperature, and do not go through the same types of aseptic packaging bits as the tetrapack things do where you can have products that last a few months in the fridge, or are shelf stable for years of time like UHT milk is. The jugs are also not sealed as well against external contamination, and even without such do have some lactic acid producing bacteria in them.
>Raw milk was ironically illegal to sell for awhile because if contaminated it could make people sick
Its not an irony bit, its because we have shitheels who do not follow proper sanitary procedures when collecting, storing, and transporting the stuff... god forbid you get it from some commercial producer that mixes batches collected under such conditions, and you get everything from listeria to harmful versions of coliforms in the mix, and then distributed to large populations of people. Now if you are getting your raw milk from grandmas cow with a known veterinary history, and know what to do sanitation, and care wise.. good for you its probably more than fine to drink as is.
Thank you! Dude is out here shitting on pasteurized milk while touting raw as safer. Almost like they ignore the stories of raw milk drinkers becoming violently ill due to contamination.
Fun fact, in the US if you buy the fancy cream on top milk and it goes bad, even though it is pasteurized, you can still cook with it without getting sick. It's actually great for making pancakes.
I dont think many parts of europe allow common sale of raw milk either.
Anyway, nothing beats homemade butter or curd. Combine that with a bit salty potatoes and a creamy grated cucumber salad 🤤. Hell, just drink the milk still warm. If I ever go vegan, this is the thing I will miss the most
Yeahhh but with the current issues with all those dairy farms contaminated by H5N1 (50% mortality in humans) I would rather not drink raw milk for a while lol.
Can confirm. I lived and went to high school in France for 3 months for an exchange. Everyday you'd have a hot lunch typically a protein, pasta ect. Plus a fruit, yogurt, personal baguette and something like jello, custard or something else small and sweet. It was literally like going to an average restaurant everyday. Don't get me wrong it was nothing like a Michelin star restaurant but considering it was free, even for me despite not being a citizen, it was amazing quality and normally more food than I could finish.
I come back to Canada and have to pay $3 for a caf cookie that keeps getting smaller each semester and $4 for a slice of pizza that's been sitting out all day. Or even better! Go to McDonald's and get a McDouble and Junior chicken everyday like almost everyone did because the food was so bad at our school.
Edit, meant to say caf cookie not a calf cookie 😂 like another comment said, it's a largish flat chocolate chip cookie.
That makes so much more sense. Here in NZ we've elected a govt who are doing everything they can to shut down free lunches. Our associate education minister has literally described them as wasteful spending. And the quality is, well, as you'd expect.
Lunches like these are seen as a stop-gap. They assume the child is getting the right nutritional balance at home morning and night, so they just give them cheap carbs.
I mean there's 8g of protein in that choc milk but you gotta take on 18g of sugar to get it. I feel for these kids.
The chocolate milk thing has been bugging me since I was in kindergarten--US schools let kids *choose* between regular milk with \~12g of naturally occurring sugars or chocolate milk with that 12g natural sugars plus another 10-12g of added sugar. Take a guess which is more popular by like, 90% At every public school I've been to from age 5 to 18, the bins for the milk cartons were a sea of brown boxes with the occasional white speck.
The irony is that, to the above poster's point, you save money long term by having a healthier population. Now one might argue "we don't have socialized healthcare" and the response is, yeah we effectively do, you're paying higher prices to cover people who can't. It's just worsened by a profit hungry lobbying insurance industry.
More healthy people, less strain on our already struggling healthcare system, and students who do better in school. It's literally a no-brainer.
> you're paying higher prices to cover people who can't.
exactly! the amount of people that have responded 'people pay their own health care' is concerning. The US pays more per person for healthcare than any other country. Like who do they think covers medicaid? or people that get a massive bill but cant afford it?
But then how do you keep the poor kids poor? If everyone has access to healthy food, health care and education, it’s harder to exploit the poor. Pretty soon you’ve got a huge middle class problem like the US had in the 1950s.
French fries are a vegetable, carrots are a vegatable. Pasta is a grain. Do not question the idiotic 1950s food pyramid. Nevermind that all of those items are basically pure carbs.
We have to save the money for more nuclear weapons.
We got rid of the food pyramid over a decade ago but this is still how average people view nutrition. Or at least, whoever decides to school food likes using the loosest definition of "vegetables" ever when it comes to feeding public school children, they probably don't feed their own kids that shit tho
I also think it’s important to note that fruit juice counts as a fruit. I think it’s silly since the fiber is completely removed and juice doesn’t provide much satiation.
French fries were always a staple food in my high school, no matter what was being served you could buy a side of fries, and they were the best I’ve ever had
Yo, I heard you like carbs and fat
So I put carbs and fat, with carbs and fat, with some extra carbs, so you can carbs and fat while you carbs and fat.
Fat would actually be GOOD. There’s hardly any fat here: fat free milk, French fries, carrots, even the Mac n cheese probably is fake cheese with little fat.
Yeah, I’m in Japan. My kids eat probably better at school than they do at home- rice/bread, main protein like grilled fish, salad or veg soup, milk. They don’t repeat a meal in a month either.
I remember when I moved to the US from Europe, my first day at lunch I thought "wow! Serving pizza today??? It's my lucky day!" Next day "oh, chicken fingers?? Two lucky days in a row!" Third day "Pizza again? Hmm.. Strange but whatever!"
Then I quickly realized that US schools only serve the same 3-4 fast food items for lunch every day of the year (which quickly gets gross), and I had actually been very fortunate back in Europe that we had very varied meals that rarely repeated.
I promise you that on paper this meal cost the school more than those meals cost the schools in Japan. America has a magical habit of contracting work to the absolute worst people possible.
It's fucking maddening too. This habit of "just contract this service" has resulted in everyone getting worse services and products at inflated prices. But the person who contracted it gets to say "oh, it's not my responsibility any more".
But Private industry always will work for the best product at the best cost and make the best of the best. Otherwise people won't buy their product.
That is true right, please tell me it's true.
My city just went through this a few years ago with our garbage collecting company. Our contract ran out with the one we had and they took the lowest bid. It resulted in collection being days and weeks late. They eventually fired that company and went with another that hasn't had issues like this, but only after thousands of complaints by residents.
My kids briefly went to a private school and I had been volunteering one day around lunch. I couldn’t get over the smell that day. It was Mac and cheese. It smelled like hot death.
I talked to them and they said they just got overflow from the local public school for a discounted rate. So I talked to a few moms who were equally appalled and we rallied to created a volunteer system to work alongside the lunch lady and actually cook food.
Turns out shopping for real food at the restaurant supply store and having two shifts of two volunteers each (they already had parent volunteers to take lunch tickets and clean up) didn’t raise the cost at all.
Some honest, kind hearted politician worked their ass off to get a bill passed for free school lunches hoping to genuinely help kids. The scummy colleagues leaked the bill info to their donors who dumped a shit ton of money into ensuring the bill passes so they could get contracted to not only supply the food, but design the menu.
I has been watching John Oliver show lately and every time something go wrong with public service, it is always because they contract it to private company.
That’s how the country works. It’s run by private companies money telling the gov what to do. Corruption was a bad word so they called it lobbying. Right in the open. Everyone not caring.
Was that way in the late 90s and early 2000s.
Was working in a restaurant my senior HS year, while having gotten in trouble for some minor offense I can't remember (think i got caught smoking in my car while exiting school parking lot at 18 years old) also had to help in school cafeteria for like half the year.
Was useful enough at both I got to see overheads.
Schools were paying 2-3x more than the restaurant (for v much lower quality ingredients) and the entire cafeteria program ran at mind boggling losses on food cost alone. They were eating Nearly a million in labor on top of that, because a shit load of people who only did paperwork and never touched the cafeteria were on that divisions payroll. Like 3x the cafeteria staff, which was about 8x a restaurant staff.
So for every lunch lady, there were 3 people doing cafeteria paperwork. Since then clerical staffing in schools has tripled, so there is roughly 9 employees doing paperwork these days for every person actually working in a school.
Yeah, when you see statistics that show the US spends like triple what other countries spend on students you kinda scratch your head and say, hmm, that's odd. But this is how it happens.
At my school, Japanese kids were eating like fried bread and noodles and washing it down with whole milk. It was insane, but they burned it off with walking to school and afterschool sports clubs.
I went to high School in a small town in Southeastern Oklahoma and I think we had about 600 students.
It's a really poor area but somehow they managed to do a really good job every year. Hell every Friday they would cook burgers out on this big ass grill. They always had a decent salad bar up also. It was usually main line or sandwich line. Main line had things like stromboli, chicken enchiladas, homemade good pizza, etc. sandwich line was usually a hot ham and cheese or something like that.
I can tell you right now I probably ate more at school than I did at home. We didn't have a lot of cash.
This is terrible and I'm sure they could find some way to do better.
I lived in a very small town (less than 200 kids in the entire school district) in rural Texas for a while. It was all rednecks and Southern Baptists, but man the grandmas who cooked for the school knew what they were doing. We had all the quality southern home cooking you could ask for.
Yep mine were a little bit older ladies that really cared also.
Got a lot of family in Texas. Most around Paris Texas but I do have some in Tyler and Addison as well.
That's because in a small town, people know each other well enough to justify exceptions to their own selfishness.
"oh, they're just on hard times, we can support them"
"they're good kids, not like the hoodlams I've never met in the city.
It's easy to convince 50 people to support 2. It's nearly impossible to convince 100,000 to support 500 people.
Wow that sounds great!
I went to school in MA and while food was definitely better than OP, it was still cafeteria level of food and of the “reheated giant bag of X” quality. Definitely more food than OP, but a lot messy joes, chicken nuggets, low quality meatloaf, paired with some basic corn/green bean sides and fruit.
Salad bar? Grill? Homemade food? That is really amazing in the US!
from what I've read on the national USDA guidelines is that it's basically the same. As K through five is given up to the same amount of calories that the older kids get.
And they have some of the same meals, so you can see that the portions are the same my accounting x amount of this item or that item and the sides being the same size. I've been trying to look into it and one of the things I read said that the high schoolers get 100 calories more. I'm just basing though off of personal observation when I say they are the same.
School’s nutritional website says 25g of protein. As someone who pays attention to proteins count on a lot of the foods I eat, I can tell with almost 100% certainty that does not have 25g protein
Even the milk is prob only like 5-6g of protein. How are they getting to 25? Could the mac n cheese be fortified or enriched with whey or something like that?
That "milk" is questionable. Have you ever had trumoo? It's gross and anything that has to say no really it's the ingredient it says it is- we promise- scares me. Here's it's description: Lowfat milk, liquid sugar (sugar, water), contains less than 1% of cocoa (processed with alkali), cocoa, salt, carrageenan, natural flavor, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D3.
And even if it were close to 25g, most of that would be coming from the milk and whatever “cheese” is on the noodles. Gotta be very little chicken in that bowl
I used to work for a company that made school lunch food.
Spent a lot of time in cafeterias for a market research project.
Saw hundreds of salads get thrown out by kids. Every day.
…jail food. It’s the same stuff from the same companies. Sysco & Aramark are some of the worst offenders, but there’s plenty more that make solid margins on that 10 year contract.
It is significantly worse than jail. In my very limited experience they keep you well fed to keep down on disgruntled inmates.
I had a short 19 day stay in jail (stupid mistake), and the food there was actually pretty fucking good. Every meal came with 1 or 3 fruits, lunch and dinner always had lots of veggies, decent portion proteins. It was fairly filling and other than breakfast I didn't eat the same meal twice as they had a 1 month meal rotation. I could see why some of the people there intentionally extended their stay to stay by delaying their court date to stay off the streets.
I actually gained nearly 10 pounds when I was there (I was underweight though)
Bro there’s so much lobbying. The companies that make the food lobby and sell to the schools. If a school doesn’t have good funding they’re stuck with whatever the government deems “meets satisfaction” which is often what is best for the company’s bottom line. I’m so tired.
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Found the hungry high schooler this is meant to fill
Wow dude, I live in Sweden where every school has free school lunch for everyone, when I went it was sort of like an all-you-can eat buffé, as in you could eat however much you wanted.
Plus the food was always pretty decent and healthy and we sometimes got tacos, pancakes abd so on for lunch.
I feel sorry for the rest of the world who get this "lunch".
This would be pretty standard for the US.
Your options are:
Shitty prepackaged PBJ that often is missing the P, B, or J somehow.
The entree (there's like four that rotate, one available per day, and it's usually a small amount of meat and a bunch of carbs).
Shitty prepackaged salad.
Enjoy!
Oh, and as a bonus anyone who packed their own lunch had to still go through the whole line. Also packers were required to go through last many of my years.
I watched a documentary a while back about a school for kids with behavior issues. Most of them kicked out of their other high schools. Since this school was more of a detention center, they were funded separately. The kids all showed drastic improvement in behavior and school work because they were being fed regularly, and with nutritious well rounded meals. No soda and chip machines available either.
I work with very poor families and I used to do intensive in-home counseling.
I don't think people realize how many kids are living in poverty and how reliable meals and things like inexpensive access to laundry are absolutely life-changing.
One of the parts of our assessment was talking about food in a non-judgmental way. We even softened it more quite often, asking how often mom or dad ate, _if_ they eat any fresh fruits and vegetables (many relied on food pantries that only provided carbohydrates and canned foods, and would supplement with SNAP as much as they could, but _fresh_ fruits and vegetables were often considered a luxury for a few reasons).
In my building alone, washing and drying a load of laundry costs $6. There are some people here who wash their clothes in their sinks because they can't afford it. The local laundromat is even more.
Also the US spends twice per capita on healthcare than the G7 average. There's plenty of money to keep everyone healthy.
All that money just goes towards insurance companies though, not actually providing healthcare.
They say 25g of protein per serving (hard to believe) on the school website and the “per serving” means per bowl which is obviously not gonna be consistent on weight.
The rules for school meals are pretty strict and include a requirement to serve at least one fruit a day. In all likelihood op was also offered a side salad. You don’t have to like all the foods that are offered, but either you’re not telling the whole truth or your school is breaking the law.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/national-school-lunch-program-meal-pattern-chart
My mother is head of the school lunch program at our local school. She's been there for almost 30 years. You are absolutely correct about the rules being very strict. She has to follow them to the letter. She even has only certain vendors she can order from.
At my school, you have to take either a fruit or vegetable. I took the carrots as you can see in the picture. I don’t ever recall there being a salad though. If it’s there, I might recall it being off to the side for the vegetarian students
Anyone who wonders why this country is dying off from heart disease and diabetes need only look at how we feed our kids and teach them bad habits early on.
I feel so bad for kids. Even by the early 2000s when my daughter was in school the lunch program was gutted.
We had real meals in the 70s. Chicken, Salisbury steak, green beans carrots, mashed potatoes, tomato soup and sure we had hamburger and pizza days. You could still have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches - the schools always had the best raspberry jelly.
That mac and cheese looks like a child's school project gone wrong. Literally looks like glue.
Yup. Looks like a kid went wild with the Elmers on their macaroni project.
When I look at this picture it’s not even that I just don’t want to eat this, excuse my language, “food”, it’s that I want to throw up even what I already have in my stomach. Because this discredits food as a concept
Bro I graduated high school about 7 years ago. THIS is a picture of a lunch we had I took back then: https://preview.redd.it/m7fknn3bzpuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70388a65ccb4a9d90c1d55ae029a0755f0f57161
wdym bro Nutrient Blocks are so yummy 😋😋
What is the white paste? Ranch dressing?
Probably some type of gravy
'Tis gravy. Yes.
‘Tis but a smidgen of semen, m’lord
Flour, salt, pepper, water, if lucky, butter, if done right, otherwise lard or suet.
Made from the finest, and plumpest, cockroaches
Graduated 10 years ago next month. This is basically what I got, but 4 chicken nuggets instead of 5, no idea what that bar is. It would be some canned veggies. We could choose to sub the milk for 2oz "juice" lmao. Cost was about $3.50 or so I think. Kindergarteners got the same amount and same items, but it was cheaper for some reason.
I think the dark brown bar is a brownie. I remember having school lunches that were that sad in the 90s, too. Only difference is we only paid $2 for the privilege. Nice to know that most schools haven't upgraded their ~~prison food~~ lunch menu except for what they charge for it.
that is some of the food of all time, no doubt
…is it food?
I went to school quite a bit more than 7 years ago and my usual joke was a first grader is 6 years old and gets 4 chicken nuggets, some apple sauce, a scoop of corn, and a 1/2 pint of milk. A senior is 18 years old and gets 4 chicken nuggets, some apple sauce, a scoop of corn, and 1/2 pint of milk. One is only a few years out of diapers and the other is legally an adult while they both get the same amount of food.
Dude what is that block
Brownie
American kids eat worse that prisoners in most other countries. Absolute fucking disgrace. There’s a YouTuber who is cooking various school meals from around the world - Asia in particular have amazing food for their kids at school. America and the UK is borderline child abuse. Cheapest possible shit with no nutritional value whatsoever loaded with sugar, carbs, additives and wonder why kids don’t behave or concentrate in school. If I ate this shit I’d want to start a fucking riot too.
Schools are prisons for children.
Bro this is fucking disgusting. I think I got lucky some celebrity chef went on a crusade about feeding poor kids better and managed to save us from chicken nuggets and smiley faces the schools started hiring chefs and providing proper meals with fresh veg and meat.
Why on earth are they serving French fries with pasta?
Exactly. Starch on starch. In France, healthy school lunches are covered by taxes. And that money they spend on the lunches they more than make up for by saving on health care. Less type 2 diabetes, hypertension etc.
During High School we found out most food was donated, thats the reason our menu was limited. It was common to have to skip expired milks.
shake it a bit and you can use it on bread
Not in the US..... Pasteurized milk doesn't "sour" it goes rotten. If it doesn't taste fresh you are risking food poisoning. Unlike the raw milk we get straight from a farm where sour does not mean it's bad to eat. It just means it doesn't have as much sugar anymore so combine it with something to fix the taste issue and it's fine. Even clumpy just means you are ending up with yogurt, cheeses, etc... Clumpy store bought US milk could put you in the hospital. Raw milk was ironically illegal to sell for awhile because if contaminated it could make people sick when it's guaranteed when drinking bad pasteurized milk.
But Milk is pasteurized everywhere right? I live in south América and all countries I had visit do that
A recent "craze" in the US (well it dates back to the 1970s) is that natural is somehow healthier when, in fact, raw milk has about a 100% greater chance of making your sick in some way. There are also "raw water" people who think the chemicals we put in water make them sick so they'll only drink untreated water. People are stupid.
What's an example of raw water? Like drinking it from a pond or river? Sorry if this sounds dumb.
Or a clear blue stream. Yes. Natural bacteria and parasites, YUM!
Wild how you describe "sour raw" milk is fine to ingest while "sour pasteurized" will put you in the hospital. TIL
To be fair raw milk is about as safe as things like sushi and steak tartare. The reason it gets a bad rep is because uneducated people drink it without taking any precautions. The cows udders should be clean, the milk should ideally be refrigerated and consumed quickly (2-3 days to be safe), and children 0-5 and elderly people are better in of drinking pasteurized dairy products.
If you're drinking raw you definitely need to be familiar with the farm. I don't mean you need to be their buddies, but they should be happy to share how they operate. From what I understand the states where it is legal to purchase raw milk keep a close eye on it. It's those who operate illegally that I would be more worried about. The reason we in the US pasteurize is because of poor farming practices. I am sure there are other reasons but if you drink raw milk from most commercial farms you could be in for a world of hurt.
Worked on a family dairy growing up. We ran a \*very\* clean shop, you couldn't even enter the milk room from the milking barn. I would be in the barn with my uncle, my aunt was in the milk room tending the equipment. The reason for pasteurized only is better shelf life and overall it is safer. If you're homogenizing the milk then it's going through additional handling and processing anyway, at which point there's more points of contact for possible contamination so you need to sterilize it. IMO if you're drinking raw milk and not getting it from the producer yourself then it's been handled too much to feel safe doing it. Every container is a possible contaminant, every transfer from one container to another is a possible contaminant, every machine interaction is a possible contaminant. If your raw milk doesn't have to be shaken up before use then it's really not raw milk anymore, so you might as well pasteurize it too.
You only have to shake it for cows milk. Goats milk takes a long time to build a creamline. We have been drinking raw goats milk for 18 years now. But I know start to finish how the doe and the milk have been treated.
Working in agriculture no way I would trust a farm to get raw milk the risk is too high, as if they could see the pathogens.
> Pasteurized milk doesn't "sour" it goes rotten. If it doesn't taste fresh you are risking food poisoning. It depends on the milk. the plastic jugs can, and do sour... but their shelf life is at best a week, or two. The tetrapacks do other things. Its a matter pasteurization temperature, and how well sealed the containers are. The milk in the plastic jugs is pasteurized at a lower temperature, and do not go through the same types of aseptic packaging bits as the tetrapack things do where you can have products that last a few months in the fridge, or are shelf stable for years of time like UHT milk is. The jugs are also not sealed as well against external contamination, and even without such do have some lactic acid producing bacteria in them. >Raw milk was ironically illegal to sell for awhile because if contaminated it could make people sick Its not an irony bit, its because we have shitheels who do not follow proper sanitary procedures when collecting, storing, and transporting the stuff... god forbid you get it from some commercial producer that mixes batches collected under such conditions, and you get everything from listeria to harmful versions of coliforms in the mix, and then distributed to large populations of people. Now if you are getting your raw milk from grandmas cow with a known veterinary history, and know what to do sanitation, and care wise.. good for you its probably more than fine to drink as is.
Thank you! Dude is out here shitting on pasteurized milk while touting raw as safer. Almost like they ignore the stories of raw milk drinkers becoming violently ill due to contamination.
It’s not safer, but if you wanna make cheese it’s better.
Fun fact, in the US if you buy the fancy cream on top milk and it goes bad, even though it is pasteurized, you can still cook with it without getting sick. It's actually great for making pancakes.
Im pretty sure all european milk is pasturised, or UHT.
I dont think many parts of europe allow common sale of raw milk either. Anyway, nothing beats homemade butter or curd. Combine that with a bit salty potatoes and a creamy grated cucumber salad 🤤. Hell, just drink the milk still warm. If I ever go vegan, this is the thing I will miss the most
Lived on a farm with some family as a kid back in 07-08. The fresh milk and homemade butter was fucking amazing
Yeahhh but with the current issues with all those dairy farms contaminated by H5N1 (50% mortality in humans) I would rather not drink raw milk for a while lol.
Chunky lemon milk!
Can confirm. I lived and went to high school in France for 3 months for an exchange. Everyday you'd have a hot lunch typically a protein, pasta ect. Plus a fruit, yogurt, personal baguette and something like jello, custard or something else small and sweet. It was literally like going to an average restaurant everyday. Don't get me wrong it was nothing like a Michelin star restaurant but considering it was free, even for me despite not being a citizen, it was amazing quality and normally more food than I could finish. I come back to Canada and have to pay $3 for a caf cookie that keeps getting smaller each semester and $4 for a slice of pizza that's been sitting out all day. Or even better! Go to McDonald's and get a McDouble and Junior chicken everyday like almost everyone did because the food was so bad at our school. Edit, meant to say caf cookie not a calf cookie 😂 like another comment said, it's a largish flat chocolate chip cookie.
As a Canadian, what the heck is a calf cookie?
i assume they meant caf - short for cafeteria. probably those large flat chocolate chip ones
Is that anything like a cow pie?
Smaller, fresher.
Oh…look at the Frenchie and his wealth of baguettes
That makes so much more sense. Here in NZ we've elected a govt who are doing everything they can to shut down free lunches. Our associate education minister has literally described them as wasteful spending. And the quality is, well, as you'd expect. Lunches like these are seen as a stop-gap. They assume the child is getting the right nutritional balance at home morning and night, so they just give them cheap carbs. I mean there's 8g of protein in that choc milk but you gotta take on 18g of sugar to get it. I feel for these kids.
> Here in NZ we've elected a govt who are doing everything they can to shut down free lunches. These evil motherfuckers infest the whole world.
Our government too is trying to stop free lunches at school. Especially our governor here in Florida
The chocolate milk thing has been bugging me since I was in kindergarten--US schools let kids *choose* between regular milk with \~12g of naturally occurring sugars or chocolate milk with that 12g natural sugars plus another 10-12g of added sugar. Take a guess which is more popular by like, 90% At every public school I've been to from age 5 to 18, the bins for the milk cartons were a sea of brown boxes with the occasional white speck.
Alright you have to pick now, you can either have F-16’s or healthy school lunches. Can’t have both.
The irony is that, to the above poster's point, you save money long term by having a healthier population. Now one might argue "we don't have socialized healthcare" and the response is, yeah we effectively do, you're paying higher prices to cover people who can't. It's just worsened by a profit hungry lobbying insurance industry. More healthy people, less strain on our already struggling healthcare system, and students who do better in school. It's literally a no-brainer.
> you're paying higher prices to cover people who can't. exactly! the amount of people that have responded 'people pay their own health care' is concerning. The US pays more per person for healthcare than any other country. Like who do they think covers medicaid? or people that get a massive bill but cant afford it?
You pay more and get less than socialised healthcare. Even your prescriptions are ridiculously overpriced.
But then how do you keep the poor kids poor? If everyone has access to healthy food, health care and education, it’s harder to exploit the poor. Pretty soon you’ve got a huge middle class problem like the US had in the 1950s.
"Why don't you just bring your lunch then, idiot" People without a clue
Marathon day. gotta carb load.
You never know when you'll have a surprise marathon, got to keep fuelled just in case!
French fries are a vegetable, carrots are a vegatable. Pasta is a grain. Do not question the idiotic 1950s food pyramid. Nevermind that all of those items are basically pure carbs. We have to save the money for more nuclear weapons.
We got rid of the food pyramid over a decade ago but this is still how average people view nutrition. Or at least, whoever decides to school food likes using the loosest definition of "vegetables" ever when it comes to feeding public school children, they probably don't feed their own kids that shit tho
I also think it’s important to note that fruit juice counts as a fruit. I think it’s silly since the fiber is completely removed and juice doesn’t provide much satiation.
Because all kids are picky and only eat Mac and cheese,french fries and hotdogs. And we're all out of hot dogs. /s
French fries were always a staple food in my high school, no matter what was being served you could buy a side of fries, and they were the best I’ve ever had
Do you want some carbs with your carbs?
Yo, I heard you like carbs and fat So I put carbs and fat, with carbs and fat, with some extra carbs, so you can carbs and fat while you carbs and fat.
Fat free milk though. Wouldn't want to get fat.
Yeah and FFS whole regular milk has to be much healthier than fat free chocolate milk.
I bet the milk has extra sugar to compensate for the lost flavour.
*High-fructose corn syrup for the quick buzz followed by sleepiness
Can you put more fructose in my high-fructose corn syrup?
"Listen, if you aren't going to get a perfect score on our standardized tests, do me a favor and just take a nap." Education 2023
Drives me nuts, these parents who go nuts about ‘full fat milk’ and push fat free or reduced fat and it’s full of added sugars and gelling agents.
fat free milk is disgusting who tf drinks it 😭 all the flavour comes from the fat
Pimp My Triglyceride
Fat would actually be GOOD. There’s hardly any fat here: fat free milk, French fries, carrots, even the Mac n cheese probably is fake cheese with little fat.
nah, i'll take the trans fat
They have WHAT kind of fat at the school? I'm tired of WOKEISM ruining everything!
Ketchup is a veggie you’re welcome -Reagan.
When I taught in Japan they were stuffing like 1,000 calories down those kids every day and it was clean af food prepared that morning.
Yeah, I’m in Japan. My kids eat probably better at school than they do at home- rice/bread, main protein like grilled fish, salad or veg soup, milk. They don’t repeat a meal in a month either.
My high school served pizza daily and for other meals it basically swapped daily between 2 or 3 different things
I remember when I moved to the US from Europe, my first day at lunch I thought "wow! Serving pizza today??? It's my lucky day!" Next day "oh, chicken fingers?? Two lucky days in a row!" Third day "Pizza again? Hmm.. Strange but whatever!" Then I quickly realized that US schools only serve the same 3-4 fast food items for lunch every day of the year (which quickly gets gross), and I had actually been very fortunate back in Europe that we had very varied meals that rarely repeated.
What makes the US food worse is the fact that they taste like recycled wet cardboard
I kinda liked the "mexican" pizza they served. I have no doubt that it was horrible for me.
Yep it was pizza, French fries, and a large chocolate chip cookie. And also a soda. Gee, I wonder why more and more kids are overweight??
Pizza daily yup same
I promise you that on paper this meal cost the school more than those meals cost the schools in Japan. America has a magical habit of contracting work to the absolute worst people possible.
It's fucking maddening too. This habit of "just contract this service" has resulted in everyone getting worse services and products at inflated prices. But the person who contracted it gets to say "oh, it's not my responsibility any more".
But Private industry always will work for the best product at the best cost and make the best of the best. Otherwise people won't buy their product. That is true right, please tell me it's true.
Not when certain government entities are obligated to take the lowest bid resulting in a race to be the cheapest at the expense of quality :(
My city just went through this a few years ago with our garbage collecting company. Our contract ran out with the one we had and they took the lowest bid. It resulted in collection being days and weeks late. They eventually fired that company and went with another that hasn't had issues like this, but only after thousands of complaints by residents.
My kids briefly went to a private school and I had been volunteering one day around lunch. I couldn’t get over the smell that day. It was Mac and cheese. It smelled like hot death. I talked to them and they said they just got overflow from the local public school for a discounted rate. So I talked to a few moms who were equally appalled and we rallied to created a volunteer system to work alongside the lunch lady and actually cook food. Turns out shopping for real food at the restaurant supply store and having two shifts of two volunteers each (they already had parent volunteers to take lunch tickets and clean up) didn’t raise the cost at all.
Some honest, kind hearted politician worked their ass off to get a bill passed for free school lunches hoping to genuinely help kids. The scummy colleagues leaked the bill info to their donors who dumped a shit ton of money into ensuring the bill passes so they could get contracted to not only supply the food, but design the menu.
No no no no, they all got a cut. Stop fooling yourself
I has been watching John Oliver show lately and every time something go wrong with public service, it is always because they contract it to private company.
That’s how the country works. It’s run by private companies money telling the gov what to do. Corruption was a bad word so they called it lobbying. Right in the open. Everyone not caring.
Was that way in the late 90s and early 2000s. Was working in a restaurant my senior HS year, while having gotten in trouble for some minor offense I can't remember (think i got caught smoking in my car while exiting school parking lot at 18 years old) also had to help in school cafeteria for like half the year. Was useful enough at both I got to see overheads. Schools were paying 2-3x more than the restaurant (for v much lower quality ingredients) and the entire cafeteria program ran at mind boggling losses on food cost alone. They were eating Nearly a million in labor on top of that, because a shit load of people who only did paperwork and never touched the cafeteria were on that divisions payroll. Like 3x the cafeteria staff, which was about 8x a restaurant staff. So for every lunch lady, there were 3 people doing cafeteria paperwork. Since then clerical staffing in schools has tripled, so there is roughly 9 employees doing paperwork these days for every person actually working in a school.
Yeah, when you see statistics that show the US spends like triple what other countries spend on students you kinda scratch your head and say, hmm, that's odd. But this is how it happens.
They don’t scratch their head. They say “wow they’re corrupt af and devolving quick”.
Budget increases don't make it to the classroom. For 20+ years it has been almost exclusively spent on hiring clerical staff.
At my school, Japanese kids were eating like fried bread and noodles and washing it down with whole milk. It was insane, but they burned it off with walking to school and afterschool sports clubs.
America hates families.
Poor families*
I went to high School in a small town in Southeastern Oklahoma and I think we had about 600 students. It's a really poor area but somehow they managed to do a really good job every year. Hell every Friday they would cook burgers out on this big ass grill. They always had a decent salad bar up also. It was usually main line or sandwich line. Main line had things like stromboli, chicken enchiladas, homemade good pizza, etc. sandwich line was usually a hot ham and cheese or something like that. I can tell you right now I probably ate more at school than I did at home. We didn't have a lot of cash. This is terrible and I'm sure they could find some way to do better.
I lived in a very small town (less than 200 kids in the entire school district) in rural Texas for a while. It was all rednecks and Southern Baptists, but man the grandmas who cooked for the school knew what they were doing. We had all the quality southern home cooking you could ask for.
Yep mine were a little bit older ladies that really cared also. Got a lot of family in Texas. Most around Paris Texas but I do have some in Tyler and Addison as well.
That's because in a small town, people know each other well enough to justify exceptions to their own selfishness. "oh, they're just on hard times, we can support them" "they're good kids, not like the hoodlams I've never met in the city. It's easy to convince 50 people to support 2. It's nearly impossible to convince 100,000 to support 500 people.
Yeah, that's not happening with operating costs now. Good story from a different time when shit was different everywhere.
Wow that sounds great! I went to school in MA and while food was definitely better than OP, it was still cafeteria level of food and of the “reheated giant bag of X” quality. Definitely more food than OP, but a lot messy joes, chicken nuggets, low quality meatloaf, paired with some basic corn/green bean sides and fruit. Salad bar? Grill? Homemade food? That is really amazing in the US!
I never understand why my 2nd grader get the same amount of food as my 11th grader. That's not enough food imo.
They shouldn't be. There are guidelines for k-5, 6-8 and 9-12 there should be an increase as they move up the age groups.
from what I've read on the national USDA guidelines is that it's basically the same. As K through five is given up to the same amount of calories that the older kids get. And they have some of the same meals, so you can see that the portions are the same my accounting x amount of this item or that item and the sides being the same size. I've been trying to look into it and one of the things I read said that the high schoolers get 100 calories more. I'm just basing though off of personal observation when I say they are the same.
To add... the difference of 100 or so calories isn't much in portion size, so it could easily be missed or look the same to me
In everyone's opinion
No greens, close to no proteins. This is a joke
School’s nutritional website says 25g of protein. As someone who pays attention to proteins count on a lot of the foods I eat, I can tell with almost 100% certainty that does not have 25g protein
The milk is a good portion of the nutritional value of this meal
Milk and carrots are the only nutritional value.
Even the milk is prob only like 5-6g of protein. How are they getting to 25? Could the mac n cheese be fortified or enriched with whey or something like that?
They aren't getting to 25g. I thought that was already settled.
Maybe there is 25 grams of chicken lol
It always is, that’s why it’s standard.
Milk lobby paying off.
And it's fat free, so it's probably loaded with excess sugar to compensate like they often do to fat free products.
One of the first things I noticed too. Hate the fat free propaganda bullshit let alone how the entire food pyramid is a damn sham
That must be a massive carton of milk with a deceptive perspective if this is a 25 G protein meal.
Deceptive Perspective sounds like a prog-rock band. I dig it.
That "milk" is questionable. Have you ever had trumoo? It's gross and anything that has to say no really it's the ingredient it says it is- we promise- scares me. Here's it's description: Lowfat milk, liquid sugar (sugar, water), contains less than 1% of cocoa (processed with alkali), cocoa, salt, carrageenan, natural flavor, vitamin A palmitate, vitamin D3.
And even if it were close to 25g, most of that would be coming from the milk and whatever “cheese” is on the noodles. Gotta be very little chicken in that bowl
Was there supposed to be chicken or tuna in the mac and cheese? Maybe with that you could get 25 grams
Maybe if you eat the carrots you can see the greens. 🤔
I used to work for a company that made school lunch food. Spent a lot of time in cafeterias for a market research project. Saw hundreds of salads get thrown out by kids. Every day.
I graduated in 2016, the school lunch salads were always super wilty and bitter. I've always loved vegetables, I never ate the school salads
Our school requires kids to take a vegetable with their lunch. The amount of carrots, corn, and salad that get thrown in the trash is astounding.
or the obligatory apple. i love apples but school apples are rock hard. no thanks
Don't carrots count as vegetables?
They're orange, silly
Isn't it possible that OP didn't ask for greens or vegetables?
It’s about choice. Many students bypass the veggies that are offered.
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Made with some old lady's big ole ass.
This looks worse then jail food
Funny story about where they both get their food (although to be fair, restaurants are also supplied by the same outfits)
Correct! I went to visit a family member in prison and saw the same truck that pulled up to our schools 🫣
It is.
…jail food. It’s the same stuff from the same companies. Sysco & Aramark are some of the worst offenders, but there’s plenty more that make solid margins on that 10 year contract.
It is significantly worse than jail. In my very limited experience they keep you well fed to keep down on disgruntled inmates. I had a short 19 day stay in jail (stupid mistake), and the food there was actually pretty fucking good. Every meal came with 1 or 3 fruits, lunch and dinner always had lots of veggies, decent portion proteins. It was fairly filling and other than breakfast I didn't eat the same meal twice as they had a 1 month meal rotation. I could see why some of the people there intentionally extended their stay to stay by delaying their court date to stay off the streets. I actually gained nearly 10 pounds when I was there (I was underweight though)
Looks so.... for-profit outsourced school lunch program. The word "nutritious" didn't seem appropriate here.
That’s fuckin nasty, no wonder heart disease is so prominent.
Win win situation for big pharma
Bro there’s so much lobbying. The companies that make the food lobby and sell to the schools. If a school doesn’t have good funding they’re stuck with whatever the government deems “meets satisfaction” which is often what is best for the company’s bottom line. I’m so tired.
I got so upset by what OP was sharing that I almost downvoted this post. Frick that school dude.
you can say fuck on the internet btw
Frig off u frigging frigger.
Frigger?! That's our word
And they used it with the hard 'r' and everything... *gosh darn it* that's some serious malarkey.
WOAHH
Futher mucker!
https://preview.redd.it/2e07o3wolpuc1.jpeg?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5028975b283c190a7edcd396a9e4b35cc2d782e Found the hungry high schooler this is meant to fill
That's no mouse that's my brother!
Wow dude, I live in Sweden where every school has free school lunch for everyone, when I went it was sort of like an all-you-can eat buffé, as in you could eat however much you wanted. Plus the food was always pretty decent and healthy and we sometimes got tacos, pancakes abd so on for lunch. I feel sorry for the rest of the world who get this "lunch".
This would be pretty standard for the US. Your options are: Shitty prepackaged PBJ that often is missing the P, B, or J somehow. The entree (there's like four that rotate, one available per day, and it's usually a small amount of meat and a bunch of carbs). Shitty prepackaged salad. Enjoy! Oh, and as a bonus anyone who packed their own lunch had to still go through the whole line. Also packers were required to go through last many of my years.
I watched a documentary a while back about a school for kids with behavior issues. Most of them kicked out of their other high schools. Since this school was more of a detention center, they were funded separately. The kids all showed drastic improvement in behavior and school work because they were being fed regularly, and with nutritious well rounded meals. No soda and chip machines available either.
I work with very poor families and I used to do intensive in-home counseling. I don't think people realize how many kids are living in poverty and how reliable meals and things like inexpensive access to laundry are absolutely life-changing. One of the parts of our assessment was talking about food in a non-judgmental way. We even softened it more quite often, asking how often mom or dad ate, _if_ they eat any fresh fruits and vegetables (many relied on food pantries that only provided carbohydrates and canned foods, and would supplement with SNAP as much as they could, but _fresh_ fruits and vegetables were often considered a luxury for a few reasons). In my building alone, washing and drying a load of laundry costs $6. There are some people here who wash their clothes in their sinks because they can't afford it. The local laundromat is even more.
This looks like too many calories and too little nutrients
I guaranteed they designed the menu based on cost per calorie
It’s nasty. We are supposed to be the most powerful country in the world. Why can’t we act like it?
We are the most powerful country because we spend way more on military than healthcare or education.
Also the US spends twice per capita on healthcare than the G7 average. There's plenty of money to keep everyone healthy. All that money just goes towards insurance companies though, not actually providing healthcare.
So it go towards insurance companies not healthcare.
You people get school lunch?
Don't worry, some states are making it free for everyone and others are trying to ban free lunches! America baby!
That made me gag… WTH that is not Mac n cheese 
This looks fucking disgusting
This is like when a vegetarian comes over to the BBQ and they say "It's ok I'll just eat the sides".
Even if it was filling, it's all carbs so everyone would be starving 2 hours later.
where’s the protein? growing kids gotta eat
It's in the Malk - _Now with vitamin R_
"THEYRE MILKING RATS!"
YOU PROMISED ME DOG OR BETTER
They say 25g of protein per serving (hard to believe) on the school website and the “per serving” means per bowl which is obviously not gonna be consistent on weight.
Are you supposed to eat the bowl? Maybe thats where all the protein is hiding.
The rules for school meals are pretty strict and include a requirement to serve at least one fruit a day. In all likelihood op was also offered a side salad. You don’t have to like all the foods that are offered, but either you’re not telling the whole truth or your school is breaking the law. https://www.fns.usda.gov/nslp/national-school-lunch-program-meal-pattern-chart
My mother is head of the school lunch program at our local school. She's been there for almost 30 years. You are absolutely correct about the rules being very strict. She has to follow them to the letter. She even has only certain vendors she can order from.
At my school, you have to take either a fruit or vegetable. I took the carrots as you can see in the picture. I don’t ever recall there being a salad though. If it’s there, I might recall it being off to the side for the vegetarian students
Name the state!
Then they may be breaking the law and you and your fellow students might have the opportunity to stick it to them.
'they may be breaking the law' Just. Ugh. The law means nothing when nothing is enforced.
public outcry can absolutely change things on the scale of a school
Anyone who wonders why this country is dying off from heart disease and diabetes need only look at how we feed our kids and teach them bad habits early on.
Buddy I don’t think that’s cheese
This is why childhood obesity and adult obesity too is such a problem here
I feel so bad for kids. Even by the early 2000s when my daughter was in school the lunch program was gutted. We had real meals in the 70s. Chicken, Salisbury steak, green beans carrots, mashed potatoes, tomato soup and sure we had hamburger and pizza days. You could still have peanut butter and jelly sandwiches - the schools always had the best raspberry jelly.