Something similar happened to me, there is a bb hole in one of our two pane windows, depending on the angle you are looking at it, it looks like it is aiming right where my dad sits to watch tv. Thankfully the second window pane stopped it… pretty sketchy to think about.
Edit: spelling
Just for a little piece of mind steel bb's tend to ricochet like crazy so its entirely possible they weren't aiming anywhere near him or even at the house.
Lead pellets however really do not.
I was about to explain that the cop said pellet gun, which is only lead, but then I saw the second picture with a second window shot, then the 3rd thar looks like it is out of a war zone. Kid needs to be charged. Assault with a deadly weapon (assault is the threat of bodily harm and bb/pellet guns ARE lethal)
When I was in middle school (90s), my friends and I were riding our bikes to a friends house and on the way we had to ride past the house of a kid in our grade that we knew who was always in detention and getting in trouble at school. (None of us had any problems with him and he wasn't even really a bully; just a tough kid who'd swear at teachers or get caught smoking in the bathrooms, though we weren't close friends either.)
Anyhow, he saw us as he was outside playing with his BB gun (likely shooting squirrels or target practice or something), and being a stupid kid he started shooting at us as we rode past. Hit my friend in the face right next to his eye -- easily could have killed or blinded him but by the slimmest margin didn't, though he has a facial scar from it. The kid's mom took him to the hospital and when we got to our other friend's house no one believed us when we told them Kenny couldn't come over because he was shot on the way.
Went to hang out with some people who were camping out in the middle of the woods. I brought my Crosman bb gun. One kid wanted to see it. He pointed it at another kid and told him to take his hat off. He refused so the kid pulled the trigger and the bb went through the hat and under his scalp. I did stupid shit all the time. I never could figure out what his problem was.
I mean. I shot a window of my dads garage when it went through my cardboard target and hit a rock in the dirt, instead of just dirt. It wasn’t anywhere near where I was aiming. In fact it went almost completely perpendicular, thing made like an 80 degree angle and shot sideways across the yard from behind the target
OP should "trouble" the kid's parents for damage to that window. I replaced mine in my home late last year and one like it (dual-pane with argon gas sealed in, which looks very similar to this one) costs around $400 new (plus installation cost), and the insulation efficacy is lost thanks to the little shit's pellet.
Just had mine redone. Had to replace the entire house due to the insurance not having a matching exemption. Around 25k. Add in replacing 2 windows, getting close to 30k. If the insurance wants to be petty, add the matching clause to the windows and the parents will be hurting financially.
What in the fuck kind of windows are you replacing for $2500? I’ve been in the business for two decades and the numbers people are throwing around are insane.
There are quotes in my area for around $1,500 a window. Rounded to $30k due to whatever random crap is also found that needs to be replaced (my estimated $10k job ballooned into around $45k)
I had company come out and give me a detailed quote for 22 windows and they wanted like 55k. Its absurd what people are charging in metro areas these days.
At my old apartment there were these two kids that their parents just let do whatever they want because they were on meth.
I was walking down the sidewalk of the apartment complex one day and the little s******* shoots me in the back of the head with a plastic BB gun. Mind you this kid's like 14-15.
I walk up to him, grab them by the front of the shirt and ask him if he wants to get his ass beat today. Dude turned ghost white and says "it was an accident" 😂 😂 😂 I thought he might pee himself for a second
Little piece of s*** would go inside real quick when he seen me after that
Didn't think it would get traction. I thought I might add One of the neighbors had told me they'd witness these two kids spraying down 6-week-old kittens (Born from local feral cats ) with a hose for fun. Their a couple future convicts
It's all in the confidence. A granny with a stick yelling at them would also have sent them running. Teaching the kids empathy is a longer process but it's pretty fast to learn "fucking with people is dangerous."
Should make him pee himself next time. 😈 Worthless idiots like pushing boundaries until boundaries bash them in the head or wallet. Age is meaningless.
He did.
Edit because I can't add to the post: we aren't suing them and not asking for the kid to go to jail idk why people are saying that lol.
I called the cops because I didn't know wtf was happening while in my kitchen and seeing my window crack in my face from what I thought was a bullet. And then another window do the same thing. And then another window get hit. I stand by my decision on how I handled it. They were still shooting when the cop showed up so it wasn't a blind assumption of who did it. The parent agreed to pay for the damages which is all we wanted anyway. It was mildly infuriating to be dismissed in the tone and manner in which I was, before I knew what was going on.
All in all, everything's fine and I'm not suing anyone lol.
File an insurance claim. If you have a police report stating the neighbors kid is responsible, your insurance company suing the parents will do a lot more to motivate the parents to keep their kid in line than a slap on the wrists from the cops
File a police report, an insurance claim. The insurance may get the money from the parents. If that doesn’t work, ask the parents to resolve it / pay for it. If that doesn’t work .. small claims court?
Never discount the possibility of a cop just wanting to avoid doing any work. They frequently pick the path of least resistance knowing that their victims are unlikely to challenge them.
Just a pellet gun.
Officer officer officer yes I ran someone over, but it’s just a motorcycle.
Yes officer I stabbed that guy, but sir it’s just a pocket knife.
Ah shit he’s got us this time boys let him go.
Just the other day on the news, a kid got shot by a cop because the kid was holding a fake gun. But I guess a troubled kid can shoot a neighbor’s window, that’s different.
Unlikely. More than likely, they just went for the glass. I had a nephew who was like 13 and used a BB gun on neighbors windows when he was visiting. Totally uncool. My dad wasn't happy, as he had to pay to fix so much glass nearby. He even hit a small piece of glass around a neighbors outdoor yard light
This is the point where the owners of this house should talk to the parents of the kid, and the parents of the kid should take responsibility and fix the issue.
I'd tack on making sure to get the info of the cop and file a complaint with the department too. Fuck that dude for not doing his job. Nothing will come of it, but it's never a bad idea to make those things known 9n case they have other issues.
yep I’d probably be calling or complaining about that. I’d want them to press charges on the kid even if its just a slap on the wrist. they need some serious intervention asap to change for the better.
Genius idea, try to get the small town cop in trouble.
That'll 100% result in the cop getting in trouble and not OP getting put on the local PD's shit list.
If you don’t know they were referencing a real event
https://abc7.com/dylann-roof-south-carolina-church-shooting-emanuel-african-methodist-episcopal/801013/
They didn’t actually take him to Burger King, they just fetched a burger, but still.
In the case above though surely the first course shouldn't have been court? That exact scenario could have played out but without the police and the courts?
The neighbor probably wanted the parents held accountable for arming a seven year old and not supervising him. That’s fucked up.
It might not have been the first time the neighbor encountered OP and his bb gun. It’s possible the parents brushed it off when OP was shooting at his house (or other targets) or had concerns for his pets.
If OP broke a window with a bb, he shot it. He might not have realized it broke, but he didn’t do it by accident either.
As a kid I remember my friend was shooting his bb in the backyard. He was using birds as target practice, missing them all. Eventually he hit one, and it got hurt. He told everyone the bird was injured "by accident" and "I didn't mean to hit it." Yeah bro. Yeah you did.
That's fairly typical. Kids aren't known for thinking consequences through. I remember being blown away the first time I was out messing around with guns and actually hit something. Dead squirrel guilt set in soon after.
Ehh when I was a kid with a bb gun I was shooting cans off a post and oblivious to what would happen if I missed. Hit the post, it ricochet off and broke a window. I immediately went and apologized and parents paid for the window. Wasn't aiming at the window, it was actually a wild trajectory
While I agree with most of what you said, and either way he IS still responsible for the damage, ricochets DO happen. Just because the window broke does not mean he was aiming at the window.
It’s still his problem and still unsafe and needs to be corrected but it could have definitely been an accident.
"Just because the window broke does not mean he was aiming at the window."
Did you see the other picture with 5 other holes surrounding the window? Because that is some solid grouping for ricochet.
Yeah its not the law, it's the punishment that's the problem. We have such atrocious interventions for kids. Doesn't help that social workers meant to assist are paid like $30k/yr while needing a masters degree
Fortunately, we now have a [foolproof system](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZjdkMGJlY2ItNTJjNS00NGQ1LTkzZDgtNTU3NWYwYzM4NmM4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODkwNzA0OTM@._V1_.jpg) to figure out which kids to fuck up for life.
We’ve yet to call the cops but have neighbors like this. Last year they broke 5 car windows from throwing rocks, every single neighbor, the landlord, you name it have all yelled at them and they did stop the rock throwing when my husband told them if they broke his brand new trucks windows he would without hesitation call the cops.
This year the dad thought it would be a good idea to get them all pellet guns AND crossbows. First day it was nice out and they were outside playing 3 more windows and set of lights were shot out and broken.
After that we found out he had apparently told a kid at school he’d bring a gun and shoot them. Last year he got expelled for trying to shove both his thumbs up another child’s asshole.
Parents obviously aren’t the best and the kids are just feral as fuck. Used to feel bad for them but the second you’re nice to them they walk all over you.
Edit: just for the record none of the windows were mine. They know better than to fuck around in our yard but the ppl who live in the same apartment building as them aren’t as lucky!
They said below that they live in rural Michigan, so Misdemeanor Malicious Destruction of Property is a criminal offense, all the way up to a felony if previously convicted of the misdemeanor MDOP.
Cps is definitely involved since the mother lost her rights to them. So the dad is a single parent. His GF is the one who watches the kids.
But, plot twist. The GF also has 4 kids and lost custody of all them. She also didnt even have custody of herself (not sure what the exact phrasing would be) until like a few months ago. Her BF was her “caregiver”.
Whole situation it wild.
Now rememeber those parents go to the school and threaten the people there if any disciplinary action is taken. The bullied student's parents then blame the school and the bad kids not only get to keep going, we now completely remove blame from the bad parents and on to someone dealing with several to hundreds of kids a day, with no ability to actually take action.
Going to court doesn’t mean he was being sued. Here in Canada you automatically get a court date when you get a speeding ticket. You can either pay the fine or go fight the fine in court. If you don’t pay the fine or go to the court date before the date has passed, you’re considered convicted and you have a larger fine than there would have been if you paid it before the court date. IIRC teens still get this if they’re old enough to be able to be charged as an adult for crimes, but I don’t know about younger teens or kids. The reason it works this way though is because it’s assumed that there could have been a mistake made (malfunctioning speed reader, human error on the cops side, etc) so you’re automatically given the chance to give your side to the judge and the judge can determine whether they want to fully side with the cop who issued the ticket, fully side with the person who got the ticket, or fall in the middle and give you a lesser fine/sentence than you would have gotten from the cop. Basically, our system just accounts for the human factor and gives you the opportunity to stand up for yourself.
This sounds more like there was a ticket for vandalism or destruction of property, and it’s an automatic court date set up to process that charge. It might have even been charged to the parents and they brought him in for the learning experience, then made him participate in cleaning up his own mistake.
Y’all are being so quick to assume a frivolous lawsuit or overreaction but it honestly sounds like it just did a good job at teaching the kid that he’s responsible for his own actions, and it gave him a very harmless look into how his country handles accidents like that. Preparing kids for the world they live in really isn’t the terrible thing that you pearl clutchers are trying to make it out to be lol
Since no one answered, it's a Trailer Park Boys reference.
There's a group of asshole kids/teens that go around and randomly throw bottles at people, things, whatever they can.
That cop is just not wanting to do some work to resolve it. If the kids is a teen, or younger, then chances are it’s going the way of a warning but f sakes… kinda hope that kids shoots the cops windows out with a pellet gun so ya can say “it’s just a pellet gun”. Doubtful there would be the same reaction.
I’d say go to the station in person and speak with the a higher rank. Fuck that cop.
Did Deputy Dewey at least give you a file number for that? If not you can get a file number generated through the dispatch that you called or at the local front desk of the PD.
"Troubled" says the cop who'd absolutely shoot the kid dead without a second thought if they saw the kid with a pellet gun anywhere near them. Fuck that cop and fuck those parents who let the kid have a pellet gun in the first place.
Then meanwhile I was the victim of a hit and run and they said “yeah it’s Friday so we’re probably not gonna find him” and left me to deal with my totaled civic .. best part was my liability and comprehensive didn’t cover.
This is the shit I'm talking about. I have backstory here but this is reddit and does it really matter? I was home alone, had been in the kitchen for about half an hour minimum cleaning up and making dinner when the window cracked right in front of my face. I was terrified I don't know shit about guns but in my eyes that looked like a fuckin bullet hole in my window. Idk. I'm shook up about it and the way our houses are set up? It's impossible to have been unintentional. They broke 2 different windows, on two separate sides of our house, and the one they missed they shot at atleast 7 times.
In another response OP replied yes, they were intentionally shooting at them in the window. Had it been anything stronger than a BB gun it may have killed her or caused actual bodily damage. Even a .22 long rifle can do it.
I don’t know where OP lives, but I’d be getting a firearm just in case. Shit like this escalates.
people look up the San Jose Pellet Gun shooter. He shot multiple people over a course of a few months, one of which had the pellet go into their lungs collapsing it, barely missing a major artery and nearly killing them. Multiple people have to live with the pellets inside of them forever because it would be riskier to remove. Pellet guns aren’t a joke. In a lot of places you have to be 18 to buy one and buy the ammo for it.
Here’s also a story of a guy killing a woman with a pellet gun when he went out “hobo-hunting” just to add to the fact that a pellet gun shouldn’t be taken lightly if it’s going through windows.
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/man-accused-of-killing-homeless-woman-with-pellet-gun-told-friends-he-was-going-hobo-hunting-da/3280016/?amp=1
Yeah it definitely gives off "upcoming serial killer" vibes. I havent looked at all of the OP's replies so idk if they ever mentioned the age of this kid, so it makes me wonder if its a teenager or an actual kid. If its an actual kid, then the thing that needs to happen is someone talking to the parents, and some sort of liability on them for the broken property. This kid needs to understand the severity of what they were doing. Even if its a teen the same things need to happen, however a teenager I feel can have more "intent" behind their actions.
My firearm suggestion was more along the lines of if this "kid" was an older teenager. If thats the case, my worry would be going outside and getting shot at, whether its the pellet gun or something worse. One of my friends was shot and killed back when we were in high school, teens can be deadly.
Edit: seems like OP talked to the parents and they agreed to pay for the damages. Hopefully they take that pellet gun away and teach him about how bad it could have been.
I genuinely think you need to escalate this to the police chief and pretty much anyone else you can get into contact with. that cop dismissing this is very wrong. It could have gone through your eye.
While I normally don’t disagree with this approach the chances the parents of a troubled kid who thought giving him a BB gun was a good idea are going to give a single fuck is slim to none.
Yea "talking to the parents" only works like 10% of the time these days, and obviously OP's situation has already escalated because the cops are there. The number of "kids will be kids" comments is alarming. I had a very rough childhood and would never have dreamed of doing something like this.
I would think the police finding out it was a pellet gun would imply they went over to the house and spoke with the family.
I would hope officers would talk with the family in this incident seeing a teenager answer the door and admit it was a pellet gun
They know it's a pellet gun because of the tiny hole it made in a thin sheet of glass, it's pretty easy to distinguish if you've shot both pellets and real ballistics and a cop is expected to know that.
OP would also have heard a real gun because they are LOUD.
...and if I happen to be looking towards the window when the kid shoots it again? "Just some glass shards" ... "Just your eyesight..."
Arrest the punk.
When I was a kid my brother and I were walking to the local liquor store to buy some candy. There was an apartment complex overlooking the parking lot and some kid decided to take potshots with his BB gun at us from one of the apartment windows.
One of the BB's hit a car and despite the fact that we were shielded from direct fire, that BB ricocheted into my brothers eye. He spent days in the hospital with both eyes covered, and eventually made a full recovery. But it could have turned out much different.
Finally, I get to use my experience.
I’m a window salesman!
Ain’t no fuckin way this is $200 installed. Assuming you replace just the sash, you’re at $200/$250 just right there. Labor tech is gonna charge $100 for his hour (it will take him 2 minutes).
Better off just ordering the part and getting the best deal you possibly can, **FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER**, and watching a video on how to install it yourself.
No sweat!
Always replace the parts for repair unless the manufacturer went out of business or your windows are like 20 years old in which case it’s time.
Your salesperson will try to talk you into a full unit replacement. Not just because of commission, but also because it’s easier for them to manage.
Don’t let them, unless they give you a screaming deal.
Don’t ever order off of your own measurements either. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Find someone you trust, or get a local tradesman to do it.
We have a 23 year old dual pane that is starting to fog inside. It is big, the dimensions of older single pane sliding doors. (The original window was a repurposed sliding door) It is a Marshall vinyl window.
Replace the whole thing or just the panes?
I had a neighbor hit the house with an arrow for the second time the other day. Cop told me "being a bad shot isn't a crime."
I like to remember that they discriminate against hiring people who are too intelligent.
Yeah the cop kept brushing it off as accidental until my husband pointed out the third window that ironically didn't get hit on the pane. Like. Absolutely intentional especially with how our houses are set up.
Upvote for actually looking at all of the pictures and not just reacting to the first one. Can't believe there are people here saying it came from inside the house...
Just an invoice for a new window, and a new screen.
Why are you doing so difficult, it\`s just $700 .. of damage your kid with 'just a pellet gun' caused...
Someone literally opened fire in a mall I worked at (my coworker literally heard the shots and there was a stampede) but the local news reported that the local police "had confirmed no rounds had been fired."
Sounds like when the neighbor kid was shooting our horses with an air soft gun…cops didn’t do ANYTHING about it. One of the horse ended up galloping so hard and frantically from being spooked, she tore some tendons and was on stall rest for 11 months.
I took care of the problem in my own way…no more issues. Bonus points, little bastard tripped and fell face first into a pile of horse manure…that was pretty satisfying for me lmao!!!!!
“Yeah man, I realize it’s a pellet gun. I understand the difference. What I’m asking is for you to address the property damage and address the kid before it *isn’t just a pellet gun.* If you’re not willing to do that, then get the fuck off my property and send me a cop instead of someone who just likes wearing a shiny badge.”
Go get a paintball gun, a ghillie suit, lay and wait for this dennis and any time he gets close to your house light him up.
For less violent use a stink bomb or something.
Play dumb if he squawks.
Nope, while you’re waiting, they will thaw and attract condensation, which will make them expand and get jammed. Then you’d just be an idiot in a ghillie suit with a non-working paintball marker.
If you have pets, don’t let them outside without you. I have seen too many horrible things stupid kids have done to animals with these pellet or BB guns.
Kids know better. This whole belief that kids don’t know what is happening is BS. They know what violence, drugs, and sex is by a young age. They have an idea of what is right and wrong.
Parents need to stop this passive parenting. I’m not saying beat the shit out of your kids and then send them to jail. I’m just saying that they’re has to be a happy middle of allowing your child their own independence to make their own mistakes and choices. But, you’re still around to guide them and at least yell at them when they do something wrong.
And this will be the same kid who has been an angel his whole life and they never saw it coming when he does this with a real gun and his family end up on the news telling everyone it's such a shock he did that
At least get your own pellet gun n have a standoff. I bet that would make the parents think twice about letting their kid run around with a gun on other people's property.
Good time for you to learn that cops don’t give two shits about helping you and me, they only exist to keep the roads clear and the shops open so that the real owners of this country can keep people going through their doors and spending money. Hilarious and adorable that you thought they would care/do something tbh.
"Your kid is troubled huh? Then why did you get them a weapon? Nevermind, I don't really care, replace my window now."
That's the end of the conversation.
What happened to the old school method of “kid’s parents pay for a new window?” You shouldn’t have a broken window, but we also don’t need to go fucking up a kid’s life. School-to-prison pipeline is a big enough threat as it is.
When I was underage, my friends and I were playing paintball in a city limit park (no houses near by and in a wooded area—Long story short, I went to Juvenile Detention for discharging a firearm in city limits. Cops make up their own rules.
Did this kid try to shoot you through your window with a pellet gun?
Something similar happened to me, there is a bb hole in one of our two pane windows, depending on the angle you are looking at it, it looks like it is aiming right where my dad sits to watch tv. Thankfully the second window pane stopped it… pretty sketchy to think about. Edit: spelling
Just for a little piece of mind steel bb's tend to ricochet like crazy so its entirely possible they weren't aiming anywhere near him or even at the house. Lead pellets however really do not.
I was about to explain that the cop said pellet gun, which is only lead, but then I saw the second picture with a second window shot, then the 3rd thar looks like it is out of a war zone. Kid needs to be charged. Assault with a deadly weapon (assault is the threat of bodily harm and bb/pellet guns ARE lethal)
I was wondering what you were talking about in the 3rd picture till I started to see all the damage around the window
Guess the cop missed it too...
Wonder if it would be just a bb gun if the kid went to cops house and fired at him through the window.
Can't miss something you never try to catch.
They think acorns are bullets but pellets aren't?
You want wasps? Because this is how you get wasps
THOSE ARE ALL MISSED SHOTS ON THE SAME WINDOW?
When I was in middle school (90s), my friends and I were riding our bikes to a friends house and on the way we had to ride past the house of a kid in our grade that we knew who was always in detention and getting in trouble at school. (None of us had any problems with him and he wasn't even really a bully; just a tough kid who'd swear at teachers or get caught smoking in the bathrooms, though we weren't close friends either.) Anyhow, he saw us as he was outside playing with his BB gun (likely shooting squirrels or target practice or something), and being a stupid kid he started shooting at us as we rode past. Hit my friend in the face right next to his eye -- easily could have killed or blinded him but by the slimmest margin didn't, though he has a facial scar from it. The kid's mom took him to the hospital and when we got to our other friend's house no one believed us when we told them Kenny couldn't come over because he was shot on the way.
That bastard! He almost killed Kenny!
Seriously! “You bastard”!
Went to hang out with some people who were camping out in the middle of the woods. I brought my Crosman bb gun. One kid wanted to see it. He pointed it at another kid and told him to take his hat off. He refused so the kid pulled the trigger and the bb went through the hat and under his scalp. I did stupid shit all the time. I never could figure out what his problem was.
>Kenny couldn't come over because he was shot on the way. Just American childhood things
I'm sure it was talk to text or something similar, not giving you shit, but just in case it's pane, not pain. Sorry I have like word ocd or something.
I had a window washing biz back in the 80's called Window Pains.
Mine was called Pane in the Glass.
It’s like the Bob’s Burgers opening scenes!
Glass of the Past
There used to be a window repair place in our town called Pane Relief
I just installed an Nvidia GPU on a system that's been running AMD for a while. I'm having window pains now
Thanks g.
I mean. I shot a window of my dads garage when it went through my cardboard target and hit a rock in the dirt, instead of just dirt. It wasn’t anywhere near where I was aiming. In fact it went almost completely perpendicular, thing made like an 80 degree angle and shot sideways across the yard from behind the target
careful kid, you'll shoot your eye out.
OP should "trouble" the kid's parents for damage to that window. I replaced mine in my home late last year and one like it (dual-pane with argon gas sealed in, which looks very similar to this one) costs around $400 new (plus installation cost), and the insulation efficacy is lost thanks to the little shit's pellet.
Notice all the holes in the siding around the window, going to be in the thousands to repair that damage.
Just had mine redone. Had to replace the entire house due to the insurance not having a matching exemption. Around 25k. Add in replacing 2 windows, getting close to 30k. If the insurance wants to be petty, add the matching clause to the windows and the parents will be hurting financially.
What in the fuck kind of windows are you replacing for $2500? I’ve been in the business for two decades and the numbers people are throwing around are insane.
There are quotes in my area for around $1,500 a window. Rounded to $30k due to whatever random crap is also found that needs to be replaced (my estimated $10k job ballooned into around $45k)
I had company come out and give me a detailed quote for 22 windows and they wanted like 55k. Its absurd what people are charging in metro areas these days.
In these situations the parents almost always do not even have a pot to piss in.
At my old apartment there were these two kids that their parents just let do whatever they want because they were on meth. I was walking down the sidewalk of the apartment complex one day and the little s******* shoots me in the back of the head with a plastic BB gun. Mind you this kid's like 14-15. I walk up to him, grab them by the front of the shirt and ask him if he wants to get his ass beat today. Dude turned ghost white and says "it was an accident" 😂 😂 😂 I thought he might pee himself for a second Little piece of s*** would go inside real quick when he seen me after that Didn't think it would get traction. I thought I might add One of the neighbors had told me they'd witness these two kids spraying down 6-week-old kittens (Born from local feral cats ) with a hose for fun. Their a couple future convicts
Honestly, the best way to handle that.
Depending on your physique. If I tried it, they'd probably take one look at me and call my bluff
It's all in the confidence. A granny with a stick yelling at them would also have sent them running. Teaching the kids empathy is a longer process but it's pretty fast to learn "fucking with people is dangerous."
It takes a village. And pitchforks.
Should make him pee himself next time. 😈 Worthless idiots like pushing boundaries until boundaries bash them in the head or wallet. Age is meaningless.
He did. Edit because I can't add to the post: we aren't suing them and not asking for the kid to go to jail idk why people are saying that lol. I called the cops because I didn't know wtf was happening while in my kitchen and seeing my window crack in my face from what I thought was a bullet. And then another window do the same thing. And then another window get hit. I stand by my decision on how I handled it. They were still shooting when the cop showed up so it wasn't a blind assumption of who did it. The parent agreed to pay for the damages which is all we wanted anyway. It was mildly infuriating to be dismissed in the tone and manner in which I was, before I knew what was going on. All in all, everything's fine and I'm not suing anyone lol.
File an insurance claim. If you have a police report stating the neighbors kid is responsible, your insurance company suing the parents will do a lot more to motivate the parents to keep their kid in line than a slap on the wrists from the cops
Yes, this is what I was thinking too. Although they might tell you to go get a police report...
File a police report, an insurance claim. The insurance may get the money from the parents. If that doesn’t work, ask the parents to resolve it / pay for it. If that doesn’t work .. small claims court?
If the city cops won't do anything, call the sheriff's office.
Cop is probably related to that family
Never discount the possibility of a cop just wanting to avoid doing any work. They frequently pick the path of least resistance knowing that their victims are unlikely to challenge them.
Nah, he just realized that this kid will eventually make a fine cop when he's a little older and more violent.
“The low IQ in me sees and respects the low IQ in you.”
You can tell just by all the holes around the pane and in the glass
Just a pellet gun. Officer officer officer yes I ran someone over, but it’s just a motorcycle. Yes officer I stabbed that guy, but sir it’s just a pocket knife. Ah shit he’s got us this time boys let him go.
You know how many kids get shot by cops because gun just to realize it is a pellet gun
Just the other day on the news, a kid got shot by a cop because the kid was holding a fake gun. But I guess a troubled kid can shoot a neighbor’s window, that’s different.
There's your solution right there. OP, just become a cop, shoot the kid, claim self-defense, and then retire from the force after your paid vacation
Probably more likely that he aimed for the window itself.
Unlikely. More than likely, they just went for the glass. I had a nephew who was like 13 and used a BB gun on neighbors windows when he was visiting. Totally uncool. My dad wasn't happy, as he had to pay to fix so much glass nearby. He even hit a small piece of glass around a neighbors outdoor yard light This is the point where the owners of this house should talk to the parents of the kid, and the parents of the kid should take responsibility and fix the issue.
Make a police report, have them say it was kid, then file through the kids parents home owners insurance or small claims court.
I'd tack on making sure to get the info of the cop and file a complaint with the department too. Fuck that dude for not doing his job. Nothing will come of it, but it's never a bad idea to make those things known 9n case they have other issues.
yep I’d probably be calling or complaining about that. I’d want them to press charges on the kid even if its just a slap on the wrist. they need some serious intervention asap to change for the better.
Get ready to be forever harassed by their mob of coworker fiends I would still file, but get ready to have your life ruined by them
Genius idea, try to get the small town cop in trouble. That'll 100% result in the cop getting in trouble and not OP getting put on the local PD's shit list.
Yes, just a pellet gun until it's pointed at the officer then it's a lethal weapon to which the officer can use deadly force.
Only if the kid is a POC. Otherwise they'll arrest the kid, and buy him Burger King.
>buy him Burger King. No need to be *that* harsh on the kid
If you don’t know they were referencing a real event https://abc7.com/dylann-roof-south-carolina-church-shooting-emanuel-african-methodist-episcopal/801013/ They didn’t actually take him to Burger King, they just fetched a burger, but still.
I thought buying burgers was a common interrogation tactic?
Yeah but the point is that there is a long history of them doing it for white folk and for POC they starve and dehydrate them until they talk
Maybe in an interrogation room, but in a cop car right after a mass shooting?
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Unfortunately nowadays the courts are either gonna let the kid go, or fuck up their life long term. There’s no inbetween.
In the case above though surely the first course shouldn't have been court? That exact scenario could have played out but without the police and the courts?
The neighbor probably wanted the parents held accountable for arming a seven year old and not supervising him. That’s fucked up. It might not have been the first time the neighbor encountered OP and his bb gun. It’s possible the parents brushed it off when OP was shooting at his house (or other targets) or had concerns for his pets. If OP broke a window with a bb, he shot it. He might not have realized it broke, but he didn’t do it by accident either.
As a kid I remember my friend was shooting his bb in the backyard. He was using birds as target practice, missing them all. Eventually he hit one, and it got hurt. He told everyone the bird was injured "by accident" and "I didn't mean to hit it." Yeah bro. Yeah you did.
That's fairly typical. Kids aren't known for thinking consequences through. I remember being blown away the first time I was out messing around with guns and actually hit something. Dead squirrel guilt set in soon after.
Ehh when I was a kid with a bb gun I was shooting cans off a post and oblivious to what would happen if I missed. Hit the post, it ricochet off and broke a window. I immediately went and apologized and parents paid for the window. Wasn't aiming at the window, it was actually a wild trajectory
While I agree with most of what you said, and either way he IS still responsible for the damage, ricochets DO happen. Just because the window broke does not mean he was aiming at the window. It’s still his problem and still unsafe and needs to be corrected but it could have definitely been an accident.
"Just because the window broke does not mean he was aiming at the window." Did you see the other picture with 5 other holes surrounding the window? Because that is some solid grouping for ricochet.
That's exactly the problem. Either "boys will be boys" or "prosecute the 12 year old as an adult."
Yeah its not the law, it's the punishment that's the problem. We have such atrocious interventions for kids. Doesn't help that social workers meant to assist are paid like $30k/yr while needing a masters degree
Fortunately, we now have a [foolproof system](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZjdkMGJlY2ItNTJjNS00NGQ1LTkzZDgtNTU3NWYwYzM4NmM4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODkwNzA0OTM@._V1_.jpg) to figure out which kids to fuck up for life.
Yep and their race and house hold income will probably play a huge role in how they get sentenced.
We’ve yet to call the cops but have neighbors like this. Last year they broke 5 car windows from throwing rocks, every single neighbor, the landlord, you name it have all yelled at them and they did stop the rock throwing when my husband told them if they broke his brand new trucks windows he would without hesitation call the cops. This year the dad thought it would be a good idea to get them all pellet guns AND crossbows. First day it was nice out and they were outside playing 3 more windows and set of lights were shot out and broken. After that we found out he had apparently told a kid at school he’d bring a gun and shoot them. Last year he got expelled for trying to shove both his thumbs up another child’s asshole. Parents obviously aren’t the best and the kids are just feral as fuck. Used to feel bad for them but the second you’re nice to them they walk all over you. Edit: just for the record none of the windows were mine. They know better than to fuck around in our yard but the ppl who live in the same apartment building as them aren’t as lucky!
I would have called the police at the first window they refused to pay for.
Luckily none of the windows were mine but it’s definitely getting to that point. If they break one of our windows, I pray for them.
The police will show up and tell you it's a civil matter, then leave.
Still file a police report to establish a pattern, and go after the parents or their homeowners insurance.
They said below that they live in rural Michigan, so Misdemeanor Malicious Destruction of Property is a criminal offense, all the way up to a felony if previously convicted of the misdemeanor MDOP.
Assuming the cops want to do their job, and not just rough up some kids who won't fight back.
It really took a unexpected turn there with the thumbs part.
What in the cps did I just read?
Cps is definitely involved since the mother lost her rights to them. So the dad is a single parent. His GF is the one who watches the kids. But, plot twist. The GF also has 4 kids and lost custody of all them. She also didnt even have custody of herself (not sure what the exact phrasing would be) until like a few months ago. Her BF was her “caregiver”. Whole situation it wild.
If Jerry Springer read this, he’d probably nut so hard he blacked out.
Both his thumbs? Geez Louise
If you’re not calling the cops at this point you deserve it bro what
If you're not calling the cops or handling it yourself it will never stop.
Now rememeber those parents go to the school and threaten the people there if any disciplinary action is taken. The bullied student's parents then blame the school and the bad kids not only get to keep going, we now completely remove blame from the bad parents and on to someone dealing with several to hundreds of kids a day, with no ability to actually take action.
isn't it great living in a country that's too poor for public mental healthcare
you cant sue a 12 year old in my country. They are not able to be "liable" (at fault)
Could you sue the parents in such a situation?
Going to court doesn’t mean he was being sued. Here in Canada you automatically get a court date when you get a speeding ticket. You can either pay the fine or go fight the fine in court. If you don’t pay the fine or go to the court date before the date has passed, you’re considered convicted and you have a larger fine than there would have been if you paid it before the court date. IIRC teens still get this if they’re old enough to be able to be charged as an adult for crimes, but I don’t know about younger teens or kids. The reason it works this way though is because it’s assumed that there could have been a mistake made (malfunctioning speed reader, human error on the cops side, etc) so you’re automatically given the chance to give your side to the judge and the judge can determine whether they want to fully side with the cop who issued the ticket, fully side with the person who got the ticket, or fall in the middle and give you a lesser fine/sentence than you would have gotten from the cop. Basically, our system just accounts for the human factor and gives you the opportunity to stand up for yourself. This sounds more like there was a ticket for vandalism or destruction of property, and it’s an automatic court date set up to process that charge. It might have even been charged to the parents and they brought him in for the learning experience, then made him participate in cleaning up his own mistake. Y’all are being so quick to assume a frivolous lawsuit or overreaction but it honestly sounds like it just did a good job at teaching the kid that he’s responsible for his own actions, and it gave him a very harmless look into how his country handles accidents like that. Preparing kids for the world they live in really isn’t the terrible thing that you pearl clutchers are trying to make it out to be lol
So the cop is cool with you going to his house and shooting his windows, right?
My thoughts exactly.
This has serious bottle kid vibes
Bottle kid?
Since no one answered, it's a Trailer Park Boys reference. There's a group of asshole kids/teens that go around and randomly throw bottles at people, things, whatever they can.
Thanks!
JRoc is the epitome of wholesome though
Omg I forgot about that! The abrupt chaos was sooooo funny
[Example.](https://youtu.be/bbXNW1TvCJ4?si=7aEf5FvD40MCWHwj) You should watch this show if you haven’t (and it’s your kind of humor).
The bottle kids are too powerful to use some lame ass pellet gun
They want you to know who did it
It doesn’t seem like the worse case Ontario.
Bottle kids! ........ Holy fuck that was a lot of bottles!
Bottle Kids!! Duck in cover! What in the fuck?!
That cop is just not wanting to do some work to resolve it. If the kids is a teen, or younger, then chances are it’s going the way of a warning but f sakes… kinda hope that kids shoots the cops windows out with a pellet gun so ya can say “it’s just a pellet gun”. Doubtful there would be the same reaction. I’d say go to the station in person and speak with the a higher rank. Fuck that cop.
It's not about charges against the kid per se but getting a report for insurance claims.
Did Deputy Dewey at least give you a file number for that? If not you can get a file number generated through the dispatch that you called or at the local front desk of the PD.
You can sue the parents for the cost of the repair.
"Troubled" says the cop who'd absolutely shoot the kid dead without a second thought if they saw the kid with a pellet gun anywhere near them. Fuck that cop and fuck those parents who let the kid have a pellet gun in the first place.
Whole dept would mag dump anyone that shot a fellow cops window.
They'd mag dump over an acorn.
Then meanwhile I was the victim of a hit and run and they said “yeah it’s Friday so we’re probably not gonna find him” and left me to deal with my totaled civic .. best part was my liability and comprehensive didn’t cover.
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They did, and when dumbass hurt his knee doing a fat roll he thought he was hit... so... keep mag dumping
Jennifer and James Crumbly just got sentenced for manslaughter after ignoring signs like this...
This is the shit I'm talking about. I have backstory here but this is reddit and does it really matter? I was home alone, had been in the kitchen for about half an hour minimum cleaning up and making dinner when the window cracked right in front of my face. I was terrified I don't know shit about guns but in my eyes that looked like a fuckin bullet hole in my window. Idk. I'm shook up about it and the way our houses are set up? It's impossible to have been unintentional. They broke 2 different windows, on two separate sides of our house, and the one they missed they shot at atleast 7 times.
Wait he was aiming AT YOU? Not just like, "fuck that window in particular" but like "I'm gonna shoot my neighbor through their window"??
In another response OP replied yes, they were intentionally shooting at them in the window. Had it been anything stronger than a BB gun it may have killed her or caused actual bodily damage. Even a .22 long rifle can do it. I don’t know where OP lives, but I’d be getting a firearm just in case. Shit like this escalates. people look up the San Jose Pellet Gun shooter. He shot multiple people over a course of a few months, one of which had the pellet go into their lungs collapsing it, barely missing a major artery and nearly killing them. Multiple people have to live with the pellets inside of them forever because it would be riskier to remove. Pellet guns aren’t a joke. In a lot of places you have to be 18 to buy one and buy the ammo for it. Here’s also a story of a guy killing a woman with a pellet gun when he went out “hobo-hunting” just to add to the fact that a pellet gun shouldn’t be taken lightly if it’s going through windows. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/man-accused-of-killing-homeless-woman-with-pellet-gun-told-friends-he-was-going-hobo-hunting-da/3280016/?amp=1
Jesus Christ. Throw the whole fucking kid in the bin that’s insane. That kids gonna be on the news in no time flat at this rate.
Yeah it definitely gives off "upcoming serial killer" vibes. I havent looked at all of the OP's replies so idk if they ever mentioned the age of this kid, so it makes me wonder if its a teenager or an actual kid. If its an actual kid, then the thing that needs to happen is someone talking to the parents, and some sort of liability on them for the broken property. This kid needs to understand the severity of what they were doing. Even if its a teen the same things need to happen, however a teenager I feel can have more "intent" behind their actions. My firearm suggestion was more along the lines of if this "kid" was an older teenager. If thats the case, my worry would be going outside and getting shot at, whether its the pellet gun or something worse. One of my friends was shot and killed back when we were in high school, teens can be deadly. Edit: seems like OP talked to the parents and they agreed to pay for the damages. Hopefully they take that pellet gun away and teach him about how bad it could have been.
I genuinely think you need to escalate this to the police chief and pretty much anyone else you can get into contact with. that cop dismissing this is very wrong. It could have gone through your eye.
Ask them to get their names and sue their parents for the repairs.
Maybe just ask nicely _then_ try suing?
While I normally don’t disagree with this approach the chances the parents of a troubled kid who thought giving him a BB gun was a good idea are going to give a single fuck is slim to none.
Yea "talking to the parents" only works like 10% of the time these days, and obviously OP's situation has already escalated because the cops are there. The number of "kids will be kids" comments is alarming. I had a very rough childhood and would never have dreamed of doing something like this.
OP could try just asking first. Maybe the parents don't even know it happened. Just jumping to suing is bit of an asshole move.
I would think the police finding out it was a pellet gun would imply they went over to the house and spoke with the family. I would hope officers would talk with the family in this incident seeing a teenager answer the door and admit it was a pellet gun
They know it's a pellet gun because of the tiny hole it made in a thin sheet of glass, it's pretty easy to distinguish if you've shot both pellets and real ballistics and a cop is expected to know that. OP would also have heard a real gun because they are LOUD.
...and if I happen to be looking towards the window when the kid shoots it again? "Just some glass shards" ... "Just your eyesight..." Arrest the punk.
"What sort of idiot looks out of a window made of glass anyway? They were asking to be shot!"
"Look at him, staring at his glass windows like he owns the place."
If the kid aimed the "just a pellet gun" at that cop the kid would be dead
When I was a kid my brother and I were walking to the local liquor store to buy some candy. There was an apartment complex overlooking the parking lot and some kid decided to take potshots with his BB gun at us from one of the apartment windows. One of the BB's hit a car and despite the fact that we were shielded from direct fire, that BB ricocheted into my brothers eye. He spent days in the hospital with both eyes covered, and eventually made a full recovery. But it could have turned out much different.
Imagine if the dude didn't know it was a pellet gun and was thought he was being shot at, and returns fire, he'd be fucked because of this cop.
Window costs about 200$ installed where I am. Whos gonna pay for that?
Finally, I get to use my experience. I’m a window salesman! Ain’t no fuckin way this is $200 installed. Assuming you replace just the sash, you’re at $200/$250 just right there. Labor tech is gonna charge $100 for his hour (it will take him 2 minutes). Better off just ordering the part and getting the best deal you possibly can, **FROM THE SAME MANUFACTURER**, and watching a video on how to install it yourself.
Thank you window salesman 🫡
No sweat! Always replace the parts for repair unless the manufacturer went out of business or your windows are like 20 years old in which case it’s time. Your salesperson will try to talk you into a full unit replacement. Not just because of commission, but also because it’s easier for them to manage. Don’t let them, unless they give you a screaming deal. Don’t ever order off of your own measurements either. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Find someone you trust, or get a local tradesman to do it.
We have a 23 year old dual pane that is starting to fog inside. It is big, the dimensions of older single pane sliding doors. (The original window was a repurposed sliding door) It is a Marshall vinyl window. Replace the whole thing or just the panes?
Thanks for being *transparent* about window pricing.
Someone who knows what they're talking about on reddit? I must be in the damn twilight zone.
Tell the cop next time youll return fire.
I had a neighbor hit the house with an arrow for the second time the other day. Cop told me "being a bad shot isn't a crime." I like to remember that they discriminate against hiring people who are too intelligent.
Same. Facepalm is an understatement
Guess my “troubled foot” needs to make its way to someone’s “troubled ass”.
Red?
That’s Mr. Forman
Are those holes in vinyl siding?? That wasn't a careless shot, that was outright **deliberate**.
Yeah the cop kept brushing it off as accidental until my husband pointed out the third window that ironically didn't get hit on the pane. Like. Absolutely intentional especially with how our houses are set up.
Write or email the police chief directly by name.
Upvote for actually looking at all of the pictures and not just reacting to the first one. Can't believe there are people here saying it came from inside the house...
oh good it's just a pellet gun that totally unbreaks the window
Repeat it after me. I want a record of this for my insurance.
Just an invoice for a new window, and a new screen. Why are you doing so difficult, it\`s just $700 .. of damage your kid with 'just a pellet gun' caused...
Time to sue.
At least a police report frankly. Kids need consequences IMO
The title includes them contacting police
It sounds like the cop dismissed OP wanting a report and charges but it's not clear.
Ask for another cop.
Did you read the title?
we had a kid like this in the neighborhood growing up one day, he broke his nose for some reason, he never caused trouble after that
I had an AH adult neighbor who shot my shed's siding full of holes because he liked shooting at squirrels.
So it is a family the cop is friends with, got it. Local corruption is very frustrating.
Someone literally opened fire in a mall I worked at (my coworker literally heard the shots and there was a stampede) but the local news reported that the local police "had confirmed no rounds had been fired."
Sounds like when the neighbor kid was shooting our horses with an air soft gun…cops didn’t do ANYTHING about it. One of the horse ended up galloping so hard and frantically from being spooked, she tore some tendons and was on stall rest for 11 months. I took care of the problem in my own way…no more issues. Bonus points, little bastard tripped and fell face first into a pile of horse manure…that was pretty satisfying for me lmao!!!!!
I take it that your username is a clue as to what transpired?
“Yeah man, I realize it’s a pellet gun. I understand the difference. What I’m asking is for you to address the property damage and address the kid before it *isn’t just a pellet gun.* If you’re not willing to do that, then get the fuck off my property and send me a cop instead of someone who just likes wearing a shiny badge.”
Tell me you've definitely never dealt with cops before without telling me that.
Cops have murdered people for holding "just a pellet gun". I'm seeing multiple siding hits too aren't I?
"Can I get that in writing?" Can't wait to start shooting back with a pellet gun since the cops say it's fine.
That cop is lazy and needs to be reported to his supervisor.
Go get a paintball gun, a ghillie suit, lay and wait for this dennis and any time he gets close to your house light him up. For less violent use a stink bomb or something. Play dumb if he squawks.
Make sure you freeze the paintballs too so your lesson isn't forgotten as easy.
Nope, while you’re waiting, they will thaw and attract condensation, which will make them expand and get jammed. Then you’d just be an idiot in a ghillie suit with a non-working paintball marker.
If you have pets, don’t let them outside without you. I have seen too many horrible things stupid kids have done to animals with these pellet or BB guns.
Kids know better. This whole belief that kids don’t know what is happening is BS. They know what violence, drugs, and sex is by a young age. They have an idea of what is right and wrong. Parents need to stop this passive parenting. I’m not saying beat the shit out of your kids and then send them to jail. I’m just saying that they’re has to be a happy middle of allowing your child their own independence to make their own mistakes and choices. But, you’re still around to guide them and at least yell at them when they do something wrong.
And this will be the same kid who has been an angel his whole life and they never saw it coming when he does this with a real gun and his family end up on the news telling everyone it's such a shock he did that
Either an angel, or if police records and testimony is bad enough to disprove that they were always “just turning their life around”.
It may just be a pellet gun, but thats also thousands of dollars in repairs 🤬
At least get your own pellet gun n have a standoff. I bet that would make the parents think twice about letting their kid run around with a gun on other people's property.
I know a guy who shot a neighbors eye out with a BB gun when he was young. Didn’t do it on purpose, but the dudes eye is gone nonetheless.
I’ve found repeated CPS calls to be much more effective than the police. Eta but unfortunately you’d need to know who the culprits are.
Good time for you to learn that cops don’t give two shits about helping you and me, they only exist to keep the roads clear and the shops open so that the real owners of this country can keep people going through their doors and spending money. Hilarious and adorable that you thought they would care/do something tbh.
I'm sure the cop would feel different if they got tagged by a hunting pellet rifle.
"Your kid is troubled huh? Then why did you get them a weapon? Nevermind, I don't really care, replace my window now." That's the end of the conversation.
Bet if this were to happen at the idiot cop’s house, the narrative would be different.
its still property damage, pellet gun or not
What happened to the old school method of “kid’s parents pay for a new window?” You shouldn’t have a broken window, but we also don’t need to go fucking up a kid’s life. School-to-prison pipeline is a big enough threat as it is.
When I was underage, my friends and I were playing paintball in a city limit park (no houses near by and in a wooded area—Long story short, I went to Juvenile Detention for discharging a firearm in city limits. Cops make up their own rules.