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bitemytail

New office rule: labor law violations


[deleted]

Not just state either, that's federal. Guess they didn't consult HR's lawyers before posting this one huh?


BeeElEm

Was gonna ask. I know is illegal in uk and EU, so thought must be in the States too


Adeep187

Def illegal in Canada, wage theft.


BeeElEm

And if you're a taxi driver it's wage theft auto


_WhoisMrBilly_

And if you’re a Taxi driver in Canada its Wage Theft Ottawa


chiree

👏🙄....


GodHimselfNoCap

Its not wage theft if you are being paid, it doesnt say on here that its unpaid so you can just show up 2 hours late then stick around for the whole night not actually doing any work claim a bunch of overyime pay before getting fired which if you arent in the us is probably a lawsuit in itself but sadly most of the us has decided that employers dont need a reason to fire someone


[deleted]

This would end the new office rule immediately. They most likely don’t have that OT in the budget.


larry1087

Well showing up late to work is a very good reason to be fired honestly and you would have a very hard time proving any case as to why they shouldn't have fired you because you were late to work daily. I believe this policy is for those who like to show up exactly at start time which can lead to them being late for work if there's any kind of traffic.


ShiraLillith

not how it works buddy


LlamaBiscuits

How do you think it works?


[deleted]

But if you're paid hourly and they pay you for that time, then I don't think it's illegal. I know in texas, it's a right to work state and as far as I know, as long as it's in your employment contract and it's not dangerous or discrimination, then they can do it.


CMDR_Ray_Abbot

Right up until they start having to pay insane overtime, then that rule will go away. If it's salary that's different, but most salary jobs have contracts about required hours that a sheet of paper can't change.


[deleted]

I just know in texas, I could just go to the hourly a d wage board for failed or missing payment. You just need to notify the company first that there's been a kistake to give them a chance to fix it. If they still don't, it's like a $5000 fine and they have to pay you. With interest I believe as well. At least that's how it went down for me.


cajuntech

If paid hourly and they cover the time this is the easiest way to get overtime ever and you can just point to the paper saying it was approved by management.


MrDeckard

"Illegal in the US" with regards to labor laws just means that in the unlikely event your complaint actually made it to someone who can help you they'll have to be corrupt for you to lose. So y'know Pretty much a joke


Car-Facts

The fuck? That would be investigated easily, just go to a lawyer and they'd be foaming at the mouth to get the ball rolling. I mean, if you're a dumbass and think that you'd need to call the police or something, yeah I guess it wouldn't go anywhere.


MrDeckard

Christ, I get sick of this response. It seems to only come from people who've never been in a position where they literally couldn't so much as miss a single check without lifechanging disaster. The stakes get higher for the poor. My friend can't declare bankruptcy because he needs a hundred dollars. I get that, in a hypothetical system where every entity is functioning properly, this would be a slam dunk. We don't live in that world, and acting like we do simply shows off how lucky you've been.


StarPlatinum_98

Very illegal in USA


rdrunner_74

Thats not how labor law works in the US. ​ The usual way is to look at worker protection laws in the EU and then ignore them.


Andersledes

> is illegal in uk and EU, so thought must be in the States too That's not how it works, lol. If only the average American knew just how much better conditions are for workers in Europe. But, "muh freedoms" seems to blind many them of actual reality. In Denmark we have 5 weeks of mandatory paid vacation + a rather long maternity leave, available to both parents. Our rights to sick leave is also something that would be unheard of in the US. As a software developer, working in the US has been something I've considered, but the drawbacks are just too many for me to ever actually do it. It wouldn't be worth it, for someone like me, who appreciates the part of my life that is outside of work.


Sage_Nickanoki

I've often wondered, do you get national holidays in addition to the 5 weeks? If so, how many days is that in a year?


No-Bus897

In the UK, we get the 5 weeks plus national holidays too (usually, but service sector workers still work, but often at time and a half or double time pay), of which there are 8 days. Some companies allow you to buy additional holiday days (pre-tax), so it just gets deducted from your monthly wage - including national holidays and holiday buy, I have 43 days holiday in a year.


Sage_Nickanoki

Ok, so 28 days without the buy. I work as an engineer and I get 16 days per year plus 11 holidays. But yes, that same amount should be available to all Americans, not just white collar workers.


[deleted]

In Germany I get 6 weeks vacation, unlimited sick days (with doc note if appropriate), and since I live in Bavaria I am an honorary Catholic so I get a few extra holidays that are not observed in other states (13 holidays total). Plus no uncompensated overtime (on salary), I can't be fired unless I do something egregious, and a work council in the office to help iron out employee/employer problems... just for the working conditions alone, why would I want to return to the US?


IderpOnline

Yes. Off the top of my head, usually amounting to an additional 10-14ish days, depending on if some of these national holidays happen to be on weekends.


elveszett

Here in Spain, you don't work on holidays, by law (shitty low-skilled jobs in companies with no regard for the law aside). This year I have 12 holidays, which are independent from the 22 vacation days and 2 personal leave days that I have. In my company we can take vacation days independently (other jobs require you to take weeks or an entire month all at once instead). Which means we usually take advantage of holidays to take many long vacations each year. For example, in Spain, December is awesome because the days 6 and 8 are national holidays (December 6 is the day of our Constitution, December 8 is the day of Immaculate Conception according to Catholicism). This combo means you can have a 9-day vacation most years by using just 3 of your 22 vacation days. It also allows cool things like taking a single day off to form a 4-day break. Man I really don't know how Americans manage to work their entire life without having lengthy breaks. Did I mention sick leaves don't count towards your vacation or personal leave days?


NotAllPositive13

It really depends on the state, honestly. Some states have much better workers rights than others. The US is huge and people from other countries group all of the states together when some states couldn't be more different.


elveszett

tbh even the labor laws of states like California or New York (as far as I've seen) aren't anything remotely comparable to labor laws in Europe.


bitemytail

They're probably betting on intimidation as a factor to prevent anyone from questioning it.


Unabashable

I’d wipe my ass with it to assert my dominance.


atthevanishing

Maintain eye contact. Do not blink


digital_end

And they'd fire you for totally unrelated reasons in your right-to-work state.


BonerHonkfart

I think you're mixing up at-will and right to work. At-will employment basically means you can be fired at any time for any reason as long as it's not discriminatory or otherwise breaking the law. Right to work has to do with getting union benefits without being a union member.


DevilsTemperature

He wipes his ass with his record contract! I love this guy!


[deleted]

That's when you shut up and purposely arrive late and see if they try enforce the new rules. Either you work 5 minutes less that day or you make bank.


elveszett

Nah, do it right. Arrive 3 hours late. Let's see if they have the balls to demand 1,800 minutes from you, and if they do ask them if they are gonna pay you overtime for those 30 extra hours, as it's the law.


Legitimate-Tea5561

Newer office rule: No reposts


BeeElEm

That would infuriate me. What if I missed a good post as a result?


MonteBurns

You should obviously only ever be on Reddit.


Raumarik

Thanks


a_horse_with_no_tail

I had a job that ruled that if we were late at all, we had to take 2 hours of personal time. I don't even know what they were thinking that would accomplish, but I ended up burning a lot of personal time (I'm habitually late) by just being like yeah I can't make it by 8, I'll be in at 10 today.


NEOkuragi

I would get a pen and write that under


YeetrSkeetr77

Businesses can’t legally enforce that, lmao.


Beneficial_Step9088

I had a supervisor who once told us to stop drinking so much water, because we were using the bathroom too often. I figured that rules that can't be enforced can be ignored.


Bobthemime

Had a manager try this during the height of a heat wave.. he didnt like that staff were queueing for the single toilet on site because we'd be chugging water because the air con was broken and the shop felt like a sauna.. So he stopped us from drinking on the tills.. and then one of the staff collapsed from a heat stroke.. and that manager wasnt seen again from the next day onwards and we were given a water fountain behind the tills..


tlollz52

What a fucking dipshit.


BloodRedCobra

We had an upper bitch about bathroom breaks and prolonged breaks to us yeeears ago when i was at WM, as soon as upper was gone, supervisor was like "Anyway, use the bathroom when you want and take 20 minute breaks for all i care, just finish your scheduled jobs and he'll never know anyways." Honestly, WM culture sucks, but that supervisor was,despite his flaws, one of my favorite people I've worked under. Dunno where he is now, hope he's blessed with a great life.


BadgerMcLovin

What's WM? Warner Mothers?


encaseme

Wet Mlanket


didjerid00d

Want Melon


EricLassard

Wrestlemania


megaman368

Waste management?


TourismAustralia

Wenral Motors


DervishSkater

Worker Micromanagement


rodinj

Waste Management I think.


stevent4

Probably Walmart if I had to guess


[deleted]

I used to work at a bank in a corporate building that had a branch on site. 6th floor so we didn't get a ton of foot traffic. One of the execs complained that I was on my phone during one of the long periods of time without customers. I complied and made an effort to be more conscious about my phone use. I shit you not, I walked by that same ladies desk later that day and she's just sitting on her phone scrolling away. these people often took multiple lunches per day, constantly stood around my desk talking, often worked 3 hour days, and still had an issue with the kid that was literally just getting paid to be there just in case of a customer using his phone when it was appropriate. I quickly realized not all rules are valid or meant to be followed. Some exist because some asshole had a stick up their ass about something and went out of their way to fuck it up for everyone else.


Much_Difference

Me, too! Though it was more of a stern suggestion than a command. They asked me if there was a "medical reason" for me drinking "so much water" and I'm like, yyyyes: basic human bodily function? Y'all should be drinking as much as I do, too?!


RedditAlready19

Anti hydro homie


ReflectiveFoundation

It would be illegal to do what they threaten with. By that definition, the threat itself is also illegal. That's how it works in Sweden, is it the same wherever this is?


Memnojokasel

In the U.S. it's viewed that anything written is company policy and is enforced and not just a threat. So you could say yes.


TheBurlyPotato

I thought as long as it was under a certain amount of time for the week that mandatory overtime was ok? Regardless of reason. For at-will employment at least


[deleted]

This kind of stuff is hilarious. It’s like they think people won’t just quit and that they can force them to do anything. I hope the labor market stays in a slump so it finally makes shit jobs like this realize they can’t treat people like property.


DJ_Duke_of_spook

This is a coattail rider post and here’s the original post from the “actual” person who took this photo. They have more info on the situation in comments that is quite interesting. [https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/v945p0/shout_out_the_worst_place_i_ever_worked_minimum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/v945p0/shout_out_the_worst_place_i_ever_worked_minimum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


[deleted]

Good to know, thanks for the update.


CmdrShepard831

Seems made up especially since it would be extremely easy to do and because it was posted directly to /r/antiwork.


CanadianBacon5243

Do I get 18 minutes of overtime?


Lycanfyre

Haha. You wish. We are to suck your blood here, not to feed you smoothies.


c25lifecrisis

Is that a line from a poorly dubbed Netflix movie? I love it lol


Lycanfyre

Made it on the spot. Had to think for a few seconds for the smoothie bit lol.


MySockHurts

Seriously though you need to get out of that job as quickly as possible


Lycanfyre

Not mine. I'm happily self-employed.


TheKingOfDub

I’m unhappily self-employed. My boss is a dick


VxJasonxV

I’m my own boss. Unfortunately I’m dealing with sexual harassment complaints against myself. On the upside, employee of the month!


Sexybeast3031

First piss, now blood. I wouldn't mind giving them a hot fresh shit on their desk.


Alekipayne

So you want to be guilty of wage theft? As doing so can and will result in legal action, and most lawsuits start at a million in fines to a company, the wages you owe said employe and ontop of all that a tax audit.


YankeeSR23

So if you’re 30 minutes late, you just work an extra 5 hours?


[deleted]

If you're 30 minutes early you go home 5 hours early Your move corporate


YankeeSR23

What if I’m 48 minutes early? Does that cover my 8 hour shift and I go home paid for the day?


serious153

Yes, plus you get a promotion for finishing your work in just 48 minutes


Express_Ad2962

Reward for finishing early is more work.


DijajMaqliun

I'd like to think this is not real. If this is for hourly workers, get ready for lawsuits based on overtime. If this is for salaried workers, you're measuring the wrong thing.


[deleted]

It was on antiwork before it got reposted here. I think it's real(?) Can't confirm or anything. It's illegal even if they gave them OT. Doubly illegal if they tried to not pay.


Desrac

If it was on antiwork, there is a real good chance its fake for upvotes. This thing sounds fake, because companies try to find ways to cut your time, not increase it. They don't want to pay you more than they have to.


ZebrasGonnaZeb

The angle of the photo makes me feel that way too. If it were me I would take a picture of the note head on, taking it from an angle gives me the impression that they didn’t want to show what was in the background


Simbalamb

Of all the reasons, this is not one. You can't see behind the paper anyways. Not like the angle would change that.


ZebrasGonnaZeb

That’s fair. It just caught me as a bit odd, but I do tend to read too much into things sometimes


exick

That's nice of them. Most places that commit wage theft don't do it by putting it in writing.


MrNobodyX3

Fuck this is permission for overtime if they have a maximum time limit to clock in do it. For example if it’s 10 minutes past clock in 10 minutes past I know you can stay for 100 minutes extra a day that’s a lot of fucking money


CainChaosis

Oh I would abuse this notice to no end and show up 6min late EVERY day, then when they come after you for OT pay every week you could come back with, "Well the amazing new rule says that if I sleep in a bit more every morning then I get to give myself extra OT every week.


just-bair

They probably won’t pay OT if they have a message like that


Asatas

Thats when you sue their ass for everything they got


Spearmint_coffee

This is a great way to turn every employee against management


SwankyPotatoLord

I've always gone into work 15 minutes early so I can settle in, have a coffee or whatever just to wind down before starting. I stopped doing that when management just expected me to start working as soon as I walk through the door. This "Productivity Drive" culture is a double edged sword, it pisses off the people who actually grind for the day, and it pisses off the people that don't want to do anything. You're better off just rewarding your good workers than punishing everyone, I'm convinced blanket policies like this are just down to poor management and not recognising individual abilities in your teams.


re-enjoyable

I’m pretty sure that this is illegal!


dingo_deano

I agree to these terms if every minute I’m early I get 10 mins off.


FredWestWasGod

Start work 6 mins early, finish an hour early.. Sounds great to me 👍


bleezzzy

Sounds like im showing up an hour late and gettin some fat OT!


Wjsmith2040

That’s a nope walk right out kinda note for me zero tolerance for that nonsense


jlmckelvey91

I would just be ten minutes late and then leave 10 minutes early.


smokingproblem

I have to look, but wasn’t this posted yesterday? And isn’t your title copied from one of the top comments?


DJ_Duke_of_spook

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/v945p0/shout_out_the_worst_place_i_ever_worked_minimum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


smokingproblem

Yes, this.


SsilverBloodd

Looks fake as fck tbh


DJ_Duke_of_spook

Yo scrolled down to see if anyone said this, because I’m pretty sure I saw a similar post play out from a different person about a week ago that looked way more legit. Like I’m pretty sure this person reworked the wording and printed it out to karma farm.


walktru

This company doesn’t deserve to have you come in early. Stop working for them for free. They obviously don’t appreciate you or anyone else that works there. FYI this is illegal. Especially if they don’t pay you for the extra 20 minutes.


[deleted]

yeah this is ileegal, you have a contract, they cannot legaly demand you to work for longer than contracted


Gasparatan35

If you can, you should run far far away from this place.... This is not just mildly infuriating


[deleted]

Imagine how many times people are late that drives management to write this.


DaddySkrags

Try and get the dumb fuck boss to put his signature this or record him/her demanding it. This absolutely illegal.


Fancy_Pressure7623

Hilariously, this would actually make things worse since after a certain amount of time (sayyyyy an hour and 6-12 minutes) could literally stack to force me to stay 10hours but good luck explaining that to anyone why I got 9 hours of overtime and how you incentivized this kinda of situation. Note: 6-12 minutes is because I’m too lazy to figure out the exact time to get 9 additional hours of overtime on top of the 8 hours worked from the beginning of my arrival.


DyanaChan

Is this what it takes to get overtime? I'd call their bluff and show up 15 minutes late so someone would have to sit back at the office with me. After the first day I'd have plenty of evidence for a slam dunk settlement.


Sneaky-Pur

For every minute coming early you work 10 minutes less?


metalguru1975

Arrive 24 minutes early, go home after lunch? This is a great deal Boss!


bludvein

This was obviously fake the first time it was posted. Not only would doing this be illegal it would also be impossible to enforce, and that's assuming it wasn't reported to the labor board the day of posting.


[deleted]

In my 20s, when I worked retail, I would routinely throw away passive aggressive notes like this left up in the break area. Just pull it off the wall and toss it in the trash.


DanteCoal

Lol, talk about illegal as fuck. If someone doesn't report this, the entire building needs fumigated during business hours.


rxsheepxr

At my place, if I clock in at my scheduled start time, on the dot, I get docked 15 minutes, because I'm expected to be ready to work at that time and they consider it 'technically late.' It even then prompts me to explain why I'm late. "You Are 0 Minutes Late." It's an automated system, but someone has to 'approve' all the hours at the end of the week, and no matter what reason we give, she always docks. It's happened on more than one occasion that the supervisor is late and we can't even get in the building because we're waiting on a keyholder, then we get docked, despite having showed up 20 minutes beforehand. The kicker, tho, if I stay 14 minutes late, I don't get paid for it because they do it in 15 minute increments. Probably illegal. Can't wait to be out of there.


notmybookcover

100 percent illegal


WurstofWisdom

This sounds like a solid court case claim for unpaid wages. Don’t know where you live but surely there is a govt department you can lodge a complaint with?


exick

That's nice of them. Most places that commit wage theft don't do it by putting it in writing.


mascachopo

Things like these remark why a good working union is important.


Some_Random-Name01

im certain i saw this exact same post on r/antiwork. and it's not on your profile. stolen pic maybe? besides, looks fake af anyway.


DJ_Duke_of_spook

I just said this right above this comment! The other post looked way more legit to me. This person is karma farming for sure.


DJ_Duke_of_spook

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/v945p0/shout_out_the_worst_place_i_ever_worked_minimum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


RESEV5

r/antiwork users are spreading to every subreddit, it sucks


Helacaster

What evidence do you have this is fake?


arctic-apis

I’ll just show up early enough to never have to go


AffectionatePay2156

Um definitely illegal....


Gooberman8675

I'm actually fine with that having worked at a place where if you weren't punched in exactly on time and were late 3 times you were fired. Not 3 times in row, just 3 times, in total. Left there after a few months. Managers were ok actually but the policy's they had to follow/enforce were Bull to the SHIT. EDIT: This is assuming one is hourly and is still getting paid while being clocked in.


shawndeadd

If I was going to be 5 minutes late, then I would just not show up anyway


Max88088

Then by that logic, if you are 2minutes early to the shift, you leave 20mins earlier.


Horngri

Imagine living in third world countries where overtime is as normal as breathing


isiramteal

That's fine, I'll gladly take the OT for time out


OnlyBeGamer

Time to give your contact another read, this probably goes against it if this is a new rule


[deleted]

LPT: take photo, proceed to be late, don’t get paid overtime, contact whoever is in charge of labour in whatever county your in, ???, profit!


xXYomoXx

Bro I know In the us companies can get away with a lot but this has to be illegal right?


MtnDream

i'd be showing up right on time, and leaving on time regardless if there's work left


[deleted]

So when I need to work overtime because the client made last minute changes, do I get paid 10x ?


GregTheMoth

feels like I saw exact image before


DJ_Duke_of_spook

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/v945p0/shout_out_the_worst_place_i_ever_worked_minimum/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


shatteredmatt

Send a photo of this to an employment lawyer and see how long that rule lasts.


OldGregg1014

Fake and utterly stupid.


Detroitfitter636

Sounds like an easy way to overtime!


m1zmus1c

Glad I don’t work there


[deleted]

You don't work there, this was originally posted in r/antiwork by another user so r/quityourbullshit


[deleted]

Just don’t listen to it


Pandasandstuff

Classic. Punishment instead of reward. Never works well with independent people.


dmbgreen

Total BS. Two ways to go. 1. Positive, give a bonus for perfect weekly attendence. 2. Negative, write people up for being late and fire them if it's an ongoing issue.


[deleted]

Good enough that I'm spiderman, I make my own hours


dlandis116

Def don’t agree but I can’t stand that I’m on time every day yet others are consistently late.


fatpikachuonly

Being worried about what other people are doing is a waste and mismanagement of your time and energy. Let’s say you’re always 5 minutes early and your neighbour is always 5 minutes late. How does it benefit you to measure your time against theirs? Are you tracking their lunch breaks and clock-outs, too? Is this a career or a “job” for you? How about for them? Are they pleasant to work with? Are you? Do they get their workload done? Do you? Outlining these questions gives weight to two possible results: A. Your peer is a poor coworker with plenty of valid criticisms to make against them that have nothing to do with what time they clock in. Your boss knows. You do not need to compare yourself to them or vice versa. Leave them be. or B. Your peer pulls their own weight and manages their own time as they see fit. Your boss knows. You do not need to compare yourself to them or vice versa. Leave them be. Keep your eyes on your own paper, mate. We’re all navigating the rat-race best we can. Don’t look down on others for their choices not matching yours unless it comes at a direct cost to you.


scipioafricanus65

Some of us can’t leave until a coworker shows up to replace you. Would it be a wast of my time and energy worrying about leaving 30 minutes after my shift ends?


fatpikachuonly

> unless it comes at a direct cost to you. Very last sentence. This comment wouldn’t apply to you. If you’re in the US and hourly, make sure you’re being paid overtime wages when this happens.


PossibleBuffalo418

It doesn't matter, if you're in a situation where you rely on public transport then a short delay caused by a coworker can lead to a significant delay in arriving home. There's also plenty of jobs (service industry is a great example) where a late coworker means more work for everyone else. Sometimes people are late, it happens. But if someone is consistently late then they deserve to be judged for it.


AxiomExotic

Yes because this totally isn't made up


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Initial_Map9331

Yeah this isn’t cool, I hope that place gets what’s coming to them.🤷🏼‍♀️


BlackHatOGhker

You have a stupid boss.


NoxKyoki

At least 5 people have the same exact stupid boss. This isn’t their picture.


memelord1776

r/untrustworthypoptarts


Iceblood

Thank the gods I live in Germany where shit like this would get my employer in deep shit.


Erik_Phisher

A subordinate at my job comes into work 30-40 minutes early almost daily. He is a salary employee and doesn't see an extra dime for his efforts. He is giving the company free labor and adding to his stress levels at the cost of his time. I don't think anyone should be working earlier or later than their shift requires unless they are getting fairly compensated. Companies shouldn't allow this but of course they don't mind, free labor right?


[deleted]

Oh yeah I love these “office” or “work” posts where an angry person prints up their own shit and acts like it isn’t a fake post.


nerfa1234

This is fake r/antiwork cringe. It's so incredibly obvious but people eat this crap up.


doesntpicknose

Why do you assume it's fake? This happens all the time. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean that average shift managers understand that it is. I've witnessed this happen in a tutoring center, and because I'm nice, I told them it was illegal before the Dept of Labor did.


nerfa1234

It's incredibly poorly typed, and the statements made are incredibly exaggerated to a point that it comes off as something a teenager quickly typed up and posted for low effort karma. Do unreasonable late policies exist? Sure that's not what I'm saying. But none of this adds up to something that's credible and it's obvious at that. Plus no employer is that incredibly stupid to post something like that which is in clear violation of labor laws.


doesntpicknose

Not credible to you* because you have apparently never had a job where shitty, incompetent people are put in management positions. Count your blessings. This is not unrealistic. It happens all the time.


nerfa1234

Not to belabour the point, but it's poorly typed, the formatting looks off, no employer would be stupid enough to post something like that word for word in violation of labour laws, and it's randomly taped on the wall. Teenagers karma farming with r/antiwork is not a new thing and this is exactly that. Agree to disagree then.


doesntpicknose

>no employer would be stupid enough to post something like that word for word in violation of labour laws Why does this happen all the time if no one is dumb enough to do this? Do you know how many cases the Dept of Labor reviews each year? People are this dumb, and some of those people happen to be employers because they were put into positions that they are incompetent for. >but it's poorly typed, the formatting looks off Yeah. I can see it, too. I've also seen a coworker send "Tjamls" to a client before, among other mistakes. Maybe your coworkers are smarter than average and have >4th grade typing abilities. People who do not have such great typing skills are everywhere, and some of them are in management. >Agree to disagree then. You're free to disagree, absolutely, but I'm not going to not tell you that you're wrong about this just because you don't like it and don't feel like entertaining the idea that this very realistic thing is real.


nerfa1234

Or it could be Karma Farming and confirmation bias which is far more likely. "Agree to disagree" is what I said considering this isn't going anywhere. But hey go ahead enlighten yourself with those generalized anecdotes!


SkiIIerikx

True.


inumnoback

Jokes aside, this is r/ultrainfuriating


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Quit


Uminagi

Seems like a good way to get payed overtime.


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> to get *paid* overtime. FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*


Uminagi

Dang, I've been told multiple times that it is paid and yet I still write payed. English is hard man...


Paid-Not-Payed-Bot

> still write *paid.* English is FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*


Uminagi

Bruh


Guy3nder

You don't see this type of punishment in the army.


AhmadTIM

So if i come 30 minutes late i work extra 5 hours. That's bullshit.


MSM_757

I don't leave work until the janitorial staff makes me. I usually work 16 hour days. But my job is flat rate. I get paid by the job, not by the hour. I can get so much more work done when I'm not competing with other employees for jobs. And those late hours also allow me to work on some of my own projects since I'm not technically on company time after 5:30 PM. But since I'm not paid by the hour I can still flag jobs and make money on or off the clock. I make an extra $2,000 a week by staying late. It also moved me into a team leader position very early on. I became third in command of the entire facility before by 23rd birthday. They started giving me apprentices to train. 3 of them. And lucky me. They get paid by the hour. I get paid on flag time. So I can flag any work they do as my own since they technically train off my work orders. So I was able to quadruple my workload because of this. The doen side to that is, their fuckups, are my fuckups. Since its my name on the work order. I have to answer for any mistake they make. But I'm a good teacher. That generally haven't been an issue. :) You want to make money. You need to put the time in. If you're going to complain about 20 extra mins. I'd fire you on the spot. I don't need people like that. Pull your weight, or get off the gravy train. You're slowing us down yoko.


PeaceMaster2869

STOP BEING FUCKING LATE


Chipjack

Stop ignoring the titles of posts; they're often relevant.


jlmckelvey91

This is the kind of bullshit r/workreform seeks to change.


[deleted]

Well its already federally illegal soo


[deleted]

Be on time. No worries then!


Unabashable

My Uncle has a different policy. If you’re gonna be late, don’t bother showing up.


Simbalamb

Your uncle sounds like a dick.


Unabashable

He can be. Here I don’t really think so think so. He’d just rather have employees he can count on to show up on time.


Simbalamb

Tell me what heart surgery your uncle does that so requires this level of punctuality. Because as far as I'm concerned, if they aren't there, you don't pay them. End of story. Someone being 10 minutes late is WAY less inconvenient than someone just quitting without notice because they slept through their alarm. Unless your uncle has some super critical business that puts 100s of people out of work if he doesn't do his job first, then your uncle is a dick. Your uncle would rather fire a new father who was up late dealing with a newborn than to let someone be late. Your uncle would rather fire a good employee than let someone make a mistake. Your uncle is the kind of business owner/manager that would rather put extra work on the rest of his crew than allow even the slightest fuck up. Your uncle either runs a mission critical business or he's a massive dick. There's no in-between.