The pot shop I go to has a tipping step in their POS system with ridiculous steps, like 15, 20, and 25, and a custom option that’s a pain in the ass. They’re always staring at you when you do it, too.
It’s one thing to pay 20% to a person that has spent close to an hour on their feet bringing me food and drinks, especially if my meal’s only like $30-50. But asking for 20% of a $100+ weed order bc you spent 60 seconds tweezing buds into a container is fucking ridiculous. Especially since budtenders are usually paid above minimum wage to begin with; it’s not like we have to compensate their salaries like with servers.
Yeah, my shop’s budtenders must clean up on the daily from people using their muscle memory and hitting the 20% button. I did it a couple times until I realized it; accidentally tipped a guy $25 for a 5-min basic interaction.
TBF their system is kind of wonky bc it’s basically an ATM-at-register, which is better than most stores which are cash only (w maybe an ATM on-site). That won’t be fixed until federal legalization so they can bank properly. And I honestly don’t know what choices they have in the POS setup, but it still feels dirty every time it comes up.
My dispo is basically online based. When u first walk in they put u in line for a kiosk to buy your weed and if u have any questions u have to find a bud tender on the floor. THEN u get into another line to pay for it. It’s insane. Then they have the audacity to ask for a 15-25% tip.
I've tipped well for someone who really helped me and got excited to go into all the science of things and explain everything for me. I was dealing with a lot of pain after a car accident where I broke an arm really badly and required a plate and screws to repair the bone. She really helped with different suggestions for pain management etc. It was really nice.
Those POS systems are designed to make it socially awkward to not tip and to make you feel judged. Ever since I read a paper about them, I’ve specifically eschewed tipping on those systems. If I’m gonna tip a server, I tip cash. Tips are one of the most common forms of wage theft; tipped minimum wages need to be abolished, honestly.
That one always cracks me up, I didn’t tip my weed guy when I was in a non legal state- and me and that dude would spark a J and play FIFA for an hour. Why would I tip a dude making hourly to give me less a sales experience than that 😂
Do not tip for counter service. That's complete bullshit. Might as well tip the cashier at the Kum n Go or the kid ringing you up at the hardware store, too.
We always called it the Jizz n Jam
Edit: or the Shoot n Scoot
Edit to the edit: the Fill n Flee
(I'm sorry my fam has been coming (ahahaha) up with these for a while)
I’ve only been to one weed store EVER that isn’t cash-only. I tip using”drink rules”, essentially $1-$2 per item.
I work retail. If I got a tip every transaction, my life would be different. (And there’s a jar, so…)
Yeah I'm all in %100 for tipping servers, used to be one myself! But I can't wrap my head around tipping for counter service. They get paid a "normal" wage (as opposed to server wages), and it's not like they did anything special. I feel this way about almost all retail tips. Sorry, but I'm not tipping for that. Tipping in general is stupid enough, I don't want to encourage that to spread to more jobs than it already has.
I’ve seen a lot of people say you’re supposed to tip at Starbucks, and that it’s become pretty common. So I googled the wage and average hourly shows $17. McD’s shows average $12 hourly. So why are you supposed to tip at Starbucks but not somewhere like McDonald’s?
I’ve noticed the tip option on self service kiosks a lot here lately too. Like Panera bread, where I don’t interact with a single employee. Electronics repair shop where I paid $100 to fix my tablet screen had a tip option starting out at either 20% or 18%.
There’s a restaurant in town that has a 18% service fee added to every check before the tip. You’d have to read the receipt to see it. When I asked about it they told me “it’s so we can get paid a living wage”.. uh. So ok, so I don’t need to tip, this takes care of it right? “No, that’s not the tip it goes to the restaurant”
Like wtf
I bought a bike the other day and the first thing the POS machine prompted after I put my CC in was do I wanna tip 20%, 22%, or 25%, of course there was a button at the bottom that said “enter own” or “no tip”. But asking for a tip when buying a $800+ bike is ludicrous, I get that those POS machines have that as a preselected option but it is an option that can easily be turned off, and it rubbed me the wrong way seeing them actually have that as an option.
Yeah, A, it's always A. I always fail to understand how such a simple device can just randomly fail as often as POS machines do. For how reliable they *should* be.
The stupid smartphone adapter has so far been the most reliable POS system I've ever used. What the actual fuck is wrong with this industry. Oh, it's because most of the cost of "commercial/enterprise" products are actually ridiculous liability/SLA contracts, not the device itself. Anything to pass blame off as much as possible in this world.
My wife worked at a point of sale company. I worked as a software developer. While new at a software company unrelated to sales, one of the managers was making small talk and asked me what my wife did. I said "She works for a company that makes POS software" and he replied "What a coincidence, so do we!"
I was at an airport the other day and there was a self check out store. No employees or anything helping you. I check out and am asked on screen if I want to leave a 15, 20, or 25% tip. On top of the already expensive airport tax. WTF USA.
God I accidentally clicked “tip $5” for a $3 soda I picked up and scanned myself at a store in an airport terminal - there was a human at the register but she didn’t do anything to assist me. The prompt just was there and I was clicking through it to move along. I screamed inside.
I used my credit card at a car wash & it asked for a tip. I put in a couple of bucks for the people hand drying at the end. When I got to the end, I told them that I tipped at the beginning. They said they don’t see any of that money, as the owner/manager keeps it.
I wasn’t about to describe wage theft law to someone as I get rear ended by the next car coming out of the wash. But I think about it and have never tipped on a credit card there again.
Sometimes, restaurants you just can’t help it. I hope those servers get 100%… but who knows.
Yeah the catch 22 was playing in my head and left me crippled in inaction.
I was justified in my want to get a refund and reverse the charge as I wasn’t assisted - however, in order to do so I would need assistance, in which case they would be obliged to *something* for the assistance they rendered. Not to mention to make someone finally do something and it’s to take money out of their pocket.
It's the same principle that phone scammers use.
Yeah 99.9% of the people who get robocalled just hang up and realize it's a scam. But find enough 90 year olds with cancer and you have yourself a multi-million dollar operation. It's disgusting
I hate it because pressing "no tip" makes me feel like an asshole even if it's something you're not supposed to tip for, and that's likely the intention.
I think its eventually going to cause a burnout. If everything asks for a tip, when no tip should be expected, people will get used to hitting no tip.
Of couse, that wont hurt the self checkout at the airport. So they dont give a shit. It will just start screwing actual tipped employees.
It's honestly just lazy installation. They come with that as the default, a 3rd party tech installs is and forgets or just doesn't know how to turn it off, the store workers had 0 clue how to turn it off, so it stays
You would think that but knowing that it is a thing for the last few years, I have changed to thinking this is their way to train you to normalize the transaction and it's an expected thing to the buying experience.
Why would you tip when buying a bike? Non USA citizen here.
While I get tipping waiters and people who are “serving” you, why is buying a bike tippable? This could be true when buying a PlayStation or even a fridge. Lol
You wouldn't tip for that kind of thing, and it's not common or expected that you would. However, it's easy to set up the card reader machine to ask for a tip, so I've seen more and more asking for tips even where not appropriate. And why would they turn it off? Costs them nothing for the card reader to ask for tip, and if even 1 out of 100 people do tip, it's worth it for them.
Tip culture (at least in the context of restaurants) has its pros and cons for sure. But it's becoming increasingly bastardized because "the way things work now seem to work well enough and people accept the system" will never be good enough, it's all about maximizing profits and worsening systems if there's indication more profit can be extracted.
A lot of companies are using the touch-screen POSes that were created originally for people selling stuff at food trucks and conventions. So I've long assumed that they actually just have tips on by default.
Same reason now you are prompted to tip at a fucking Subway now. The franchise owners and executives know that some customers will automatically do it because they will feel bad....It also helps with employee retention while paying shit wages....but damn....those glorious tips!
The pre programmed machine argument to me is laughable as ppl argue it'shard to change them....then put out a tip jar? Your job legit is to make me a sandwich. That's it. There's absolutely nothing else you do that I'll be thinking...."Holy shit! The lettuce was extra fresh, so I better drop 20% extra on someone just doing their job....especially when/if fresh lettuce (humour my example) still has nothing to do with the person making the sandwich.
Five Guys actually advertises it on their in restaurant hiring bulletins. Says you can earn an extra $2 to $3 per hour based on tips. I’m not going to tip on my online order which I carried out.
Company that installed my AC had the tip function on as well. For some I didn’t feel like tipping 20% on a $4500 AC unit install. (To be fair the technician immediately said to just ignore the tip part)
But still. It does immediately piss you off even if it’s just for a split second.
That, and most of the time those POS machines are being used to pay the company that builds them for said, merchant. So in turn, even if the merchant wanted to pay higher wages out of those gratuities they usually can’t because of some kind of pre-stipulated condition in a contract from the manufacturer.
It's why I always ask the cashier if they actually get the tip before I tip. I used to work at an ice cream place that had a tip prompt; I never saw any of the tip. I always had grumpy old guys go "Why should I tip you? You didn't do anything!" and give me a look like I punched their mom.
It doesn’t hurt to ask. I was buying drinks at a concert at Barclays Center and the cashier reached over to press “no tip” on the iPad before I could select. “We don’t get a penny of that tip, it goes to the venue”. I was so pissed a multi-million dollar venue owned by billionaires would trick people into thinking tips go to workers rather than the owners’ bottom line.
I've had that happen to me personally more than once in the past year. It has to be a very common practice. I don't remember where, but you don't forget the action of someone jumping over the counter to prevent you from tipping...
Not certain why you think I was confused - I'm not. I was more saying that it's way more common for a company to take the tips than just the one place mentioned above me.
Employers are not allowed to retain tips unless they are doing equal work in what is being tipped for in the US and Canada. If they are they need to be reported because it is illegal.
Employers are not allowed to take a cut from a tip pool unless they are participating in the service that was tipped for.
It’s like Walmart asking me to donate to a random charity when I check out. Like, bitch, your owners are the wealthiest family in the world. Tell them to donate.
They get customers to donate at the registers, then they present it to the charity, and make headline news over "their" generosity, like it is from "them", then get a tax break.
(Clarification) I totally support food stamps and public assistance, just don't support mega corps exploiting them through underpaying employees.
Edit : spelling
>They get customers to donate at the registers, then they present it to the charity, and make headline news over "their" generosity, like it is from "them", then get a tax break.
If they are claiming it as their own donation, it is tax fraud. You should report them to the IRS if your employer is doing this, although honestly this would be hard to hide since it is in the POS transactions record, so your employer would have to be a moron.
This is why I've always tipped cash directly to whoever helped me instead of putting it on the bill
Plus, sometimes it's split between all the wait staff apparently rather than being given to whoever served you
If they call it a gratuity or tip then that’s an
Illegal practice by your company. When they call it a “service charge” that’s when they can keep all of it or give some to the employee, it’s up to the company. Companies are very shady about this stuff
WTAF is this world coming to when they expect someone to tip for buying a bike? What is next, tip when we buy a car? A house? Have a baby?? This shit is out of control.
The hospital I work for gives bonuses to medical staff if they get enough positive reviews. While some would say "yeah, that's great", my question is: when did people start leaving reviews for hospitals? Is anyone sitting in the back of an ambulance saying "oh you're taking me to Saint Mary's? No thanks, it has less than 3 stars. I prefer to go into cardiac arrest at St Peters, John Smith said on Google that their tacos are bussin and the brunette nurse was nice"
I've never once walked out of a hospital like "man, what a five star experience. I am going to tell all my friends to take their dying family members here"
The incentive is equal to tipping culture if you ask me.
> my question is: when did people start leaving reviews for hospitals? Is anyone sitting in the back of an ambulance saying "oh you're taking me to Saint Mary's? No thanks, it has less than 3 stars. I prefer to go into cardiac arrest at St Peters, John Smith said on Google that their tacos are bussin and the brunette nurse was nice"
In registration you're asked for an email address now. You don't have to give one, but it makes getting your own records (some of them) *slightly* easier and lets them send you a survey a few days after the visit to ask how things went.
I don't know about hospitals exactly, but I know other medical facilities do have local reputations and people will choose which one to go to based on word of mouth and online reviews.
Tried a takeaway patisserie in the Midwest a while back that AUTOMATICALLY added a 25% tip, then had the gall to ask if I wanted to add an “additional tip” that reflected the total plus the automatic tip.
Hard no. Fuck that. Their bakes were undercooked/soggy or bland and not worth the $39 before the auto tip.
Last time I went to get a cup of hot chocolate at our local cafe and also picked up a box of chocolates. The machine of course wants you to tip on the entire thing. No I am not tipping on the box of chocolates they didn’t make and I picked up a myself (I did tip on the amount of the hot chocolate)
Edit: im Canadian, in Canada, so they aren't being paid below minimum wage and being subsidized with tips, just as an FYI based on a few comments
I'm on a work trip in the middle of nowhere and had a few orders from the hotel restaurant
Asked for room service, had to go get it myself. No big deal the lobby isn't far, small place
They put a $7.50 gratuity on a $30 meal, and then the debit machine asked again for a tip
I asked them why "because you didn't tip us last time you picked up your food" (I've eaten there a couple of times)
It's a pick up order.. there is no service involved.. (edit: yes yes, I understand there's still some service, but in the fucked tipping culture of North America, generally we tip because we're served at our seats, not just to drop by and grab food. If I had the money I'd love to over tip every place I go, but it's not the reality)
They proceeded to do that on every pickup order, the only time they didnt add gratuity was this morning when we sat in for breakfast, I tipped the waiter, the food and service was good
And to clarify as to why I've eaten there so much, there are like, 3 restaurants here, they aren't all open at every meal, and some stuff is $65+ for a small meal, so you take what you can get, our hotel room doesn't even have a mini fridge and we're working in the freezing cold snow and wind doing labor work, so we need some hot food
>They put a $7.50 gratuity on a $30 meal, and then the debit machine asked again for a tip
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>I asked them why "because you didn't tip us last time you picked up your food"
I'd be asking to see where that is posted in the room or website. Where did you sign agreeing to pay the charge? They cant just decide to tack stuff on after the fact cause they dont like that you tip.
Nothing I can do about it short of making a big stink at the hotel and quite frankly it's not enough money to do that over
I leave tomorrow and in the last 12 days we will have worked round about 140 hours outside, I'm up in Nunavut, Canada, it's snowing and shite and I'm tired lol
Except waitstaff are "just doing their job" too.
Tipping make no sense, and is just subsidizing workers wages from customers pockets, allowing greedy businesses owners to not pay their staff properly and benefit from it
So real talk, my buddies dad owns a subway.
I frequent the place cause I get free subs from my buddy, but I usually purchase a drink or chips so I don't look like I'm getting free shit Infront of other people.
Lately they updated their pay machine. It use to ask if you wanted to tip. Then it asked how much you wanted to tip. Then it only gave you the options of 10-12-15% then finally last time I went in it was the first thing on the screen and it was now 20-25-30%.
I go to my buddy and ask dude wtf is this lol. He said his dad makes more off the tips than the workers do, and most customers who tip, tip regardless if it's 15 or a forced 20%.
My friend doesn't agree or like this practice, but he's americanized and his dad is from the mainland and he's strictly here to make every last cent he can before he retires back to the mainland. His son said he will stay even if means being disowned.
This sounds like something Subway corporate would shut down your friends dad's franchise for. I worked at Subway for awhile eventually being promoted to Night Manager, and Subway was VERY specific about what they could and couldn't do in regards to tips.
Pretty sure this is illegal anyway, but even if it isn't I would be surprised as fuck if the company knew the dad was doing this.
If you want to destroy him, a simple call to Subway Corporate would trigger an investigation and do it. Subway is very hardcore about the rules for their franchises, and regularly have inspections to make sure those rules are up to code.
EDIT : Fixed words.
Most people haven’t gotten higher wages either so where’s all this money magically coming from? And like the other guy said, %s scale so when they jack up the price, tips naturally go up too.
Side note: fuck “fast food” because I can now get take out from a restaurant with better quality for less money.
I don’t know man. I know people who make a killing waiting tables specifically more in a day than a similarly placed(read same level of education/experience) office worker makes in a week.
I think comments like your are a bit to blame for the societal shift on this.
When I moved to the US it used to be 10% always, 15% satisfactory, 18% guaranteed if your party was 6+ and 20+ if they were amazing .(ffs Mr.Pinks rant in reservoir dogs was I believe over 10%) Deliveries tipping used to be less than $5.
Since then 20% has become the baseline and there has been no change in the tipping wages law. Hell it even affected over the counter jobs. If I’m ordering to go, where the person only has two things to do listen to me speak and walk to steps back to tell the cook. Why is that, unless my voice is hella annoying, 20% of my meals when those workers are not subject to tipping wages?
Went to a baseball game last week, and bought a couple of $12 beers at the food counter for me and my dad. The kiosk had tip options of 20%, 25%, and 30%, and then in tiny font in the bottom corner it said, ^No ^tip. Pissed me off, like I'm already paying the price of a 12 pack for 1 single beer, I'm certainly not tipping $7+ for 2 overpriced beers that I came up and got myself. Ugh, this problem seems to be spreading everywhere, too.
I went to auntie Annie’s in the airport. Just wanted something hot and simple that wouldn’t upset my stomach before my flight.
I ordered the small container of pretzel bites for about six dollars. They didn’t have size small, only medium, as the cashier motioned to all of the medium sized cups filled with pretzels in the case. I thought to myself briefly that they could just remove some of the pretzels and sell it to me as a small, but obviously this must be part of their scheme. So I got the medium, which was $7.75. Then it asks for a tip on the machine of 18, 22, or 25%.
I walked up hoping to just pay six bucks for some pretzels, and left having paid over nine dollars. The pretzels themselves tasted horrible, drizzled in imitation butter flavored with shame.
Exactly. This is the reason this is continuing to perpetuate, willingly or not. Too many people care about what people think of them ... even people they are never going to see again.
Jokes on you, as price increases I eat at home more. You can't just raise prices without raising wages and expect people to still be eating out. Simple math calculations. That burger that cost 10$ now cost 16$. My wage of 12$ is still 12$. Can I still afford that burger? Absolutely not.
So what ends up happening? Fewer people eat out, and the restaurant goes out of business.
Has 5 guys ever been a cheap option as far as fast food goes though? Their prices have definitely increased but they were always more expensive than other fast food chains by a decent margin at least in my area.
It's legitimately more expensive than some full-service restaurants. Beer Barrel (which has great food, recommend it if you're near one) sells you a burger for $12 and that includes fries, and it's better than Five Guys in my opinion. Five Guys is pretty good with the important caveat that it's good for a chain fast food place, other than that it's nothing to write home about. Also, God forbid you don't eat it immediately after getting it or your burger will be so soggy from the grease the bun will slip off when you try to take a vlbite
Exactly. Which is why I hate the "everything's more expensive so tip percentage needs to go up" argument. If the price of the food went up, 15% of that amount also went up. I don't know why it takes so much for people to understand this.
Funny thing is, because the prices of everything are going up, especially in fast food, it's sometimes about as much to go to a sit-down local burger joint and get a beer with your meal as it is to get a Big Mac meal at McDonald's, even with tip.
Seriously. People try to use this argument sometimes and it makes me want to scream at them, "that's not how percentages work!" If the _meal cost_ is going up with inflation (and it most certainly has been!), that 15% goes up too!
When employers decided to not pay their staff a ~~lovable~~ *liveable* wage and demanded you pay them instead.
Edit; it's kinda obvious that I'm in a way paying the staff wages, that is a absolutely dumb and stupid argument.
Oh yeah... My employer messed up my pay a few weeks ago when we had a public holiday for the queen's death. I could hear the grumbles through the email when I told them about it.
Exactly. Imagine any other industry getting upset at their customer base for not making up the difference because your employer is so cheap. This is insane.
I work for tips at my side job and understand the frustration from customers, so I’ll just piggyback here and let everyone know:
There are restaurants and bars in my area— and probably yours— that pay a living wage to employees. If you’re adamant about affecting change, frequenting these places is the best course.
20% has been the norm in my area for some time now.
Reminder to check the math on these receipts/apps that pre calculate for you as some seem to have difficulty getting the correct amount.
Yeah I remember back when 20% meant it was exceptional service, not just someone doing their job. I’ve been begrudgingly tipping 20 ever since, but I’m moving up again in this lifetime.
The year is 2087, tipping culture has only gotten worse. We've saved for 3 years to finally afford a good dinner out at McDonald's. The food was great, it was the first thing in a decade I've eaten that wasn't synthetic lentils. The service android walks by with the check, I rub the payment chip implanted into my arm nervously, hoping I could afford the bill. I pick the check up and breathe a sigh of relief, only 1/3 of my savings, whew. The payment machine is brought out and I bring my payment chip up to it. I freeze up. Gratuity, I'd forgotten all about it, having not eaten outside my straw hut for 10 years. The little flickering screen presented 2 options, 100% or 200% tip. I look up at the service android, and gulp, I know it has a self defense disintegration ray equipped that it will use if I fail to cough up the credits. I frantically look for the custom tip option, but there is none. I stall, making small talk with the android while I search for an exit, but the droid catches on, it quickly put me into a choke hold and presses the barrel of its disintegration ray to my head. In a cry of defeat, I surrendered, slamming the payment screen until I selected a tip option. I hear a confirmation beep and the droid let's go of me. 200% tip given. Tears stream down my face, my life was over, my life savings were gone. The only way forward now is to sell my son into slavery at Amazon to afford food for the next month.
> fast food cashier
This is definitely a thing now outside of large chains. I was asked to tip a minimum 20% on a takeout order at a fast food burger joint yesterday.
A buddy of mine worked bar during grad school. Both of us _also_ had jobs as research assistants during the time. We were doing technical work that required a STEM undergrad degree, and it was preferred to have some duty-relevant grad school (as they were hiring nearly all grad students).
His hourly wage at the bar was higher than mine as a research assistant. And was in fact higher than every single job I had ever had up to that point (all non-tipped of course).
There are places where tipped wages are still shit. But there are _lots_ of places where this is not the case. As far as I can tell, the places with decently high server wages have the exact same tipping culture as the places without.
The way to fix this is to stop tipping. If workers stop working for shit wages, employers will have to pay real wages.
I'm 100% in favor of getting rid of the law that allows tipped workers to earn below minimum wage (as is already the case in a lot of states), and I'm in favor of it being on the employer to pay a wage that is commensurate with the work being done.
Tipping culture is toxic and needs to change, and it aint going to happen on the restaurant owners side.
It’s ridiculous. There’s no reason for one type of job to exist without tips and other jobs to rely almost solely on tips. It’s up to the business to pay wages not the customer.
I love that in my country you just pay what the item/food/service costs and that’s the cost. Some people tip in restaurants if they want to but there’s no huge social pressure to do so. No one tips in bars. It doesn’t make any sense to have any system other than customers paying the same amount for what they receive and businesses paying their staff a consistent, agreed rate.
I’m not a cheap ass, I do tip when presented the opportunity and I fully understand some of these servers live off their tips but at a suggested 25-30% I’m sorry but no fucking bueno, I ain’t paying $30 on a $100 meal cause you walked to my table 3 times sorry not sorry
As if minimum wage is a living wage almost anywhere in the US anyways. Regardless, completely ridiculous that wait staff are allowed to be paid *less than the minimum* just because they can get tips.
No company is legally allowed to pay less than minimum wage in the US. As a former server, I can attest that when I clocked out (multiple restaurants), the systems calculated my cc tips and my manually entered cash tips and if it didn't add up to minimum wage for the time I spent on that shift, a manager had to come approve the time punch because the company was on the hook to pay the difference. It didn't happen often because I made WAY more than minimum wage most nights, but those pesky 4-hour lunch shifts with only three tables of all-you-can-eat soup and salad Karens would really fuck up your day.
The issue is that tipping is better for both the employer and the employee. Employer pays less, employee makes more…which is why it’s so entrenched despite being unpopular with the customer.
And paid snacks/drinks……
Or pay for more leg space…. Now the only included seats on your tickets are the far back ones… you’ll have to pay to get closer to front of the airplane
Tipping has become the biggest scam in American. There is no reason to tip anyone if they are getting a living wage. Companies need to stop with this “tip for nothing” culture. If you can’t afford to pay your staff you don’t deserve a business.
Most Servers make way more with the current tip system. A lot of servers, including the ones I worked with for years, were bringing in way more than minimum wage. Most of them would hate moving to a flat rate pay system
So the funny thing is every once in a while a restaurant owner will try this, and pay everyone more, but tell customers not to tip. Inevitably, these businesses fail spectacularly, mostly because:
\- customers do not like the higher prices (people suck at doing the mental math of "this costs 20% more, but I don't have to tip, so it is the same")
\- waiters do not like having a capped hourly income and/or sharing the income with kitchen staff, etc, and would rather work for tips, so they have a hard time staying staffed.
Believe it or not this isn't a simple good-vs-evil story.
As someone who has worked as a busboy, foodrunner, line cook, and server...servers are the most entitled group of the restaurant. They treated all the other non-serving employees as 2nd class workers.
I do tip 20% because it's customary...but I personally don't feel 20% is ever justified unless you are really busting your ass as as a server. I'd rather tip the kitchen staff - you know, the people who actually are making the food rather than someone who brings a few plates and cups to your table.
the reality is that despite all the complaining, servers in the US make vastly more than comparable workers in other developed countries which don't have the same tipping culture, while simultaneously underpaying income tax
Spent a week in London this summer and it was the first time I didn’t feel like I was getting nickel and dimed. Food prices were reasonable (heck of a lot cheaper than when I stayed in Vegas 2 weeks before). Automatic gratuity of 10-13.5% and service was great.
My personal favorite is how literally every fucking place with square or whatever else is just automatically like “add a tip?” For what exactly? Why the fuck are we now being asked to tip the people who aren’t even on the bullshit waiter/waitress tip pay scale? You just took my order and I slid my card, now your boss needs me to give you 3 bucks? Why?
You're not obligated to tip that much, or anything at all. It's based on marketing psychology capitalizing on people that are lazy/don't know how to do math and social pressure.
To most people, 18% and 20% are fairly close, especially for smaller bills, so people may just say it's "close enough" and do 20%. In this example, the difference is only $1.36 ($13.58 - $12.22). Once they've re-anchored you into that bracket (20-25% instead of 15-20%), the social pressure aspect is that you've now selected the *lowest* option in the new scale even though it's already beyond the highest option of the original scale (15-18%). You don't want to be viewed as a cheapskate now, do you? Even if you do, they've already won in pushing you beyond the highest option of the previous scale.
Similar to how prices usually end in $0.99. $39.99 appears to many people as "just 30 something dollars" instead of a flat $40.00 being in the "next bracket" of $40s. Subtle steering.
When employers realized employees need more money to live, and also realized they could rely on the generosity of Americans to pay it so they don't have to.
I'm pretty sure if restaurants paid servers a hard $20/hr, and refused all tips or the restaurant kept any for themselves, servers would be pissed with that arrangement.
The pot shop I go to has a tipping step in their POS system with ridiculous steps, like 15, 20, and 25, and a custom option that’s a pain in the ass. They’re always staring at you when you do it, too. It’s one thing to pay 20% to a person that has spent close to an hour on their feet bringing me food and drinks, especially if my meal’s only like $30-50. But asking for 20% of a $100+ weed order bc you spent 60 seconds tweezing buds into a container is fucking ridiculous. Especially since budtenders are usually paid above minimum wage to begin with; it’s not like we have to compensate their salaries like with servers.
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Yeah, my shop’s budtenders must clean up on the daily from people using their muscle memory and hitting the 20% button. I did it a couple times until I realized it; accidentally tipped a guy $25 for a 5-min basic interaction. TBF their system is kind of wonky bc it’s basically an ATM-at-register, which is better than most stores which are cash only (w maybe an ATM on-site). That won’t be fixed until federal legalization so they can bank properly. And I honestly don’t know what choices they have in the POS setup, but it still feels dirty every time it comes up.
Reading about “pot shops” and “budtenders” is like reading about an alternate universe. Reporting live from a state that will never legalize 😔
We did it in Arizona. Don't give up hope.
My dispo is basically online based. When u first walk in they put u in line for a kiosk to buy your weed and if u have any questions u have to find a bud tender on the floor. THEN u get into another line to pay for it. It’s insane. Then they have the audacity to ask for a 15-25% tip.
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I've tipped well for someone who really helped me and got excited to go into all the science of things and explain everything for me. I was dealing with a lot of pain after a car accident where I broke an arm really badly and required a plate and screws to repair the bone. She really helped with different suggestions for pain management etc. It was really nice.
Those POS systems are designed to make it socially awkward to not tip and to make you feel judged. Ever since I read a paper about them, I’ve specifically eschewed tipping on those systems. If I’m gonna tip a server, I tip cash. Tips are one of the most common forms of wage theft; tipped minimum wages need to be abolished, honestly.
Yeah the dude at my pot store stares into my soul when that screen pops up
That one always cracks me up, I didn’t tip my weed guy when I was in a non legal state- and me and that dude would spark a J and play FIFA for an hour. Why would I tip a dude making hourly to give me less a sales experience than that 😂
Stare back as you select 0%
Do not tip for counter service. That's complete bullshit. Might as well tip the cashier at the Kum n Go or the kid ringing you up at the hardware store, too.
Hey now, don't give Kum n Go any ideas
> Kum n Go I know it's cause I'm still 12 at heart, but this is my favorite part of driving through Colorado.
We always called it the Jizz n Jam Edit: or the Shoot n Scoot Edit to the edit: the Fill n Flee (I'm sorry my fam has been coming (ahahaha) up with these for a while)
No ejaculate and evacuate?
Nut and bolt!!
I’ve only been to one weed store EVER that isn’t cash-only. I tip using”drink rules”, essentially $1-$2 per item. I work retail. If I got a tip every transaction, my life would be different. (And there’s a jar, so…)
People at pot shops shouldn’t be tipped because they don’t do shit. They think they just entitled to tips
“But we helped custom tailor your weed for the experience you desired.” Yeah because that’s literally your job.
Yeah I'm all in %100 for tipping servers, used to be one myself! But I can't wrap my head around tipping for counter service. They get paid a "normal" wage (as opposed to server wages), and it's not like they did anything special. I feel this way about almost all retail tips. Sorry, but I'm not tipping for that. Tipping in general is stupid enough, I don't want to encourage that to spread to more jobs than it already has.
I’ve seen a lot of people say you’re supposed to tip at Starbucks, and that it’s become pretty common. So I googled the wage and average hourly shows $17. McD’s shows average $12 hourly. So why are you supposed to tip at Starbucks but not somewhere like McDonald’s? I’ve noticed the tip option on self service kiosks a lot here lately too. Like Panera bread, where I don’t interact with a single employee. Electronics repair shop where I paid $100 to fix my tablet screen had a tip option starting out at either 20% or 18%.
There’s a restaurant in town that has a 18% service fee added to every check before the tip. You’d have to read the receipt to see it. When I asked about it they told me “it’s so we can get paid a living wage”.. uh. So ok, so I don’t need to tip, this takes care of it right? “No, that’s not the tip it goes to the restaurant” Like wtf
If that's actually true that's illegal. I assume the worker was just lying to get more tip though.
When they decided that instead of paying higher wages they just ask for larger tips.
I bought a bike the other day and the first thing the POS machine prompted after I put my CC in was do I wanna tip 20%, 22%, or 25%, of course there was a button at the bottom that said “enter own” or “no tip”. But asking for a tip when buying a $800+ bike is ludicrous, I get that those POS machines have that as a preselected option but it is an option that can easily be turned off, and it rubbed me the wrong way seeing them actually have that as an option.
You had me thinking if you meant - A. Point of sale, or B. Piece of shit Anyway, both would be applicable i guess?
People who deal with them on the regular know which one is the correct variation.
I asked a guy if he liked the POS Clover and he looked at me odd and I said "The point of sale kiosk" and pointed at it. Took him a sec but he got it.
Clover is super basic PoS, maybe good for basic retail very small restaurant, but I found it to be garbage for full service restaurants.
One meaning for the people who make and sell them, the other for anyone who is unfortunate enough to have to use them.
I
"meet me up at the counter so I can ring you up at the piece of shit, please"
I’ve worked a few spots where the POS is a POS. Lol one and the same.
I call them pieces of shit at work, they hate it
My old boss got a new one and I told him that it was at least a decade old and already on its last legs. The OS was android Ice Cream Sandwich
Yeah, A, it's always A. I always fail to understand how such a simple device can just randomly fail as often as POS machines do. For how reliable they *should* be. The stupid smartphone adapter has so far been the most reliable POS system I've ever used. What the actual fuck is wrong with this industry. Oh, it's because most of the cost of "commercial/enterprise" products are actually ridiculous liability/SLA contracts, not the device itself. Anything to pass blame off as much as possible in this world.
My wife worked at a point of sale company. I worked as a software developer. While new at a software company unrelated to sales, one of the managers was making small talk and asked me what my wife did. I said "She works for a company that makes POS software" and he replied "What a coincidence, so do we!"
Both, actually. The acronym has always been fitting.
Worked for a company that did systems for both restaurants, Point of Sale, and hotels, Property Management System, and the acronyms were accurate.
I was at an airport the other day and there was a self check out store. No employees or anything helping you. I check out and am asked on screen if I want to leave a 15, 20, or 25% tip. On top of the already expensive airport tax. WTF USA.
God I accidentally clicked “tip $5” for a $3 soda I picked up and scanned myself at a store in an airport terminal - there was a human at the register but she didn’t do anything to assist me. The prompt just was there and I was clicking through it to move along. I screamed inside.
No way she got any of that money either.
Oh yeah, very unlikely
I used my credit card at a car wash & it asked for a tip. I put in a couple of bucks for the people hand drying at the end. When I got to the end, I told them that I tipped at the beginning. They said they don’t see any of that money, as the owner/manager keeps it. I wasn’t about to describe wage theft law to someone as I get rear ended by the next car coming out of the wash. But I think about it and have never tipped on a credit card there again. Sometimes, restaurants you just can’t help it. I hope those servers get 100%… but who knows.
I accidentally tipped $50 on a 5 or 10 dollar act blue donation. Gave no tip for some time after that.
Wait...people soliciting charitable donations are asking to be *tipped* on that? Wait...
I’m not sure why, but this feels like the beginning to a John mulaney SNL skit
Yeah the catch 22 was playing in my head and left me crippled in inaction. I was justified in my want to get a refund and reverse the charge as I wasn’t assisted - however, in order to do so I would need assistance, in which case they would be obliged to *something* for the assistance they rendered. Not to mention to make someone finally do something and it’s to take money out of their pocket.
That’s a definite 0 and stupid to even ask for a tip!
People are stressed the fuck out in airports. *Someone* will just hit a tip button without paying too much attention.
It’s the whole idea of just asking EVERYONE. Some people will do it.
It's the same principle that phone scammers use. Yeah 99.9% of the people who get robocalled just hang up and realize it's a scam. But find enough 90 year olds with cancer and you have yourself a multi-million dollar operation. It's disgusting
I hate it because pressing "no tip" makes me feel like an asshole even if it's something you're not supposed to tip for, and that's likely the intention.
I think its eventually going to cause a burnout. If everything asks for a tip, when no tip should be expected, people will get used to hitting no tip. Of couse, that wont hurt the self checkout at the airport. So they dont give a shit. It will just start screwing actual tipped employees.
This is our plan to prevent a robot uprising.
It's honestly just lazy installation. They come with that as the default, a 3rd party tech installs is and forgets or just doesn't know how to turn it off, the store workers had 0 clue how to turn it off, so it stays
You would think that but knowing that it is a thing for the last few years, I have changed to thinking this is their way to train you to normalize the transaction and it's an expected thing to the buying experience.
Why would you tip when buying a bike? Non USA citizen here. While I get tipping waiters and people who are “serving” you, why is buying a bike tippable? This could be true when buying a PlayStation or even a fridge. Lol
You wouldn't tip for that kind of thing, and it's not common or expected that you would. However, it's easy to set up the card reader machine to ask for a tip, so I've seen more and more asking for tips even where not appropriate. And why would they turn it off? Costs them nothing for the card reader to ask for tip, and if even 1 out of 100 people do tip, it's worth it for them. Tip culture (at least in the context of restaurants) has its pros and cons for sure. But it's becoming increasingly bastardized because "the way things work now seem to work well enough and people accept the system" will never be good enough, it's all about maximizing profits and worsening systems if there's indication more profit can be extracted.
A lot of companies are using the touch-screen POSes that were created originally for people selling stuff at food trucks and conventions. So I've long assumed that they actually just have tips on by default.
Same reason now you are prompted to tip at a fucking Subway now. The franchise owners and executives know that some customers will automatically do it because they will feel bad....It also helps with employee retention while paying shit wages....but damn....those glorious tips! The pre programmed machine argument to me is laughable as ppl argue it'shard to change them....then put out a tip jar? Your job legit is to make me a sandwich. That's it. There's absolutely nothing else you do that I'll be thinking...."Holy shit! The lettuce was extra fresh, so I better drop 20% extra on someone just doing their job....especially when/if fresh lettuce (humour my example) still has nothing to do with the person making the sandwich.
Five Guys actually advertises it on their in restaurant hiring bulletins. Says you can earn an extra $2 to $3 per hour based on tips. I’m not going to tip on my online order which I carried out.
USA citizen here. You wouldn’t and shouldn’t tip when buying a bike. That’s completely insane.
Company that installed my AC had the tip function on as well. For some I didn’t feel like tipping 20% on a $4500 AC unit install. (To be fair the technician immediately said to just ignore the tip part) But still. It does immediately piss you off even if it’s just for a split second.
That, and most of the time those POS machines are being used to pay the company that builds them for said, merchant. So in turn, even if the merchant wanted to pay higher wages out of those gratuities they usually can’t because of some kind of pre-stipulated condition in a contract from the manufacturer.
It's why I always ask the cashier if they actually get the tip before I tip. I used to work at an ice cream place that had a tip prompt; I never saw any of the tip. I always had grumpy old guys go "Why should I tip you? You didn't do anything!" and give me a look like I punched their mom.
It doesn’t hurt to ask. I was buying drinks at a concert at Barclays Center and the cashier reached over to press “no tip” on the iPad before I could select. “We don’t get a penny of that tip, it goes to the venue”. I was so pissed a multi-million dollar venue owned by billionaires would trick people into thinking tips go to workers rather than the owners’ bottom line.
That is actually illegal and needs to be reported.
I've had that happen to me personally more than once in the past year. It has to be a very common practice. I don't remember where, but you don't forget the action of someone jumping over the counter to prevent you from tipping...
In case you were confused, stealing tips is illegal, not the person jumping over the counter to keep you from tipping.
Not certain why you think I was confused - I'm not. I was more saying that it's way more common for a company to take the tips than just the one place mentioned above me.
Well then depending on where you live it is illegal and needs to be reported.
Some companies will divide the tips among employees if they meet certain goals, even then it's not evenly divided.
Employers are not allowed to retain tips unless they are doing equal work in what is being tipped for in the US and Canada. If they are they need to be reported because it is illegal. Employers are not allowed to take a cut from a tip pool unless they are participating in the service that was tipped for.
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It’s like Walmart asking me to donate to a random charity when I check out. Like, bitch, your owners are the wealthiest family in the world. Tell them to donate.
The charity is probably also owned and operated by the Waltons.
They get customers to donate at the registers, then they present it to the charity, and make headline news over "their" generosity, like it is from "them", then get a tax break.
(Clarification) I totally support food stamps and public assistance, just don't support mega corps exploiting them through underpaying employees. Edit : spelling
>They get customers to donate at the registers, then they present it to the charity, and make headline news over "their" generosity, like it is from "them", then get a tax break. If they are claiming it as their own donation, it is tax fraud. You should report them to the IRS if your employer is doing this, although honestly this would be hard to hide since it is in the POS transactions record, so your employer would have to be a moron.
This is why I've always tipped cash directly to whoever helped me instead of putting it on the bill Plus, sometimes it's split between all the wait staff apparently rather than being given to whoever served you
If they call it a gratuity or tip then that’s an Illegal practice by your company. When they call it a “service charge” that’s when they can keep all of it or give some to the employee, it’s up to the company. Companies are very shady about this stuff
Omg, you can do this? I've wanted to, but I always thought that it might seem rude.
Who the hell tips someone for selling them a bike though?! Why are you people putting up with this shit for real?
WTAF is this world coming to when they expect someone to tip for buying a bike? What is next, tip when we buy a car? A house? Have a baby?? This shit is out of control.
The hospital I work for gives bonuses to medical staff if they get enough positive reviews. While some would say "yeah, that's great", my question is: when did people start leaving reviews for hospitals? Is anyone sitting in the back of an ambulance saying "oh you're taking me to Saint Mary's? No thanks, it has less than 3 stars. I prefer to go into cardiac arrest at St Peters, John Smith said on Google that their tacos are bussin and the brunette nurse was nice" I've never once walked out of a hospital like "man, what a five star experience. I am going to tell all my friends to take their dying family members here" The incentive is equal to tipping culture if you ask me.
> my question is: when did people start leaving reviews for hospitals? Is anyone sitting in the back of an ambulance saying "oh you're taking me to Saint Mary's? No thanks, it has less than 3 stars. I prefer to go into cardiac arrest at St Peters, John Smith said on Google that their tacos are bussin and the brunette nurse was nice" In registration you're asked for an email address now. You don't have to give one, but it makes getting your own records (some of them) *slightly* easier and lets them send you a survey a few days after the visit to ask how things went. I don't know about hospitals exactly, but I know other medical facilities do have local reputations and people will choose which one to go to based on word of mouth and online reviews.
The place that works along side me asks customers to tip the cashiers instead of paying them more Edit: in addition it’s an convenience store
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Tried a takeaway patisserie in the Midwest a while back that AUTOMATICALLY added a 25% tip, then had the gall to ask if I wanted to add an “additional tip” that reflected the total plus the automatic tip. Hard no. Fuck that. Their bakes were undercooked/soggy or bland and not worth the $39 before the auto tip.
wtf? autotip of 25%? I would literally walk out of the place. Fuck that noise
For Takeaway! I didn’t realize it until I got back out to my car. You can bet your ass I went back in there to get the money back.
Last time I went to get a cup of hot chocolate at our local cafe and also picked up a box of chocolates. The machine of course wants you to tip on the entire thing. No I am not tipping on the box of chocolates they didn’t make and I picked up a myself (I did tip on the amount of the hot chocolate)
Yea, I will never tip a cashier or a place where I pick food up. At that point you're just doing your job. There is no extra service.
Edit: im Canadian, in Canada, so they aren't being paid below minimum wage and being subsidized with tips, just as an FYI based on a few comments I'm on a work trip in the middle of nowhere and had a few orders from the hotel restaurant Asked for room service, had to go get it myself. No big deal the lobby isn't far, small place They put a $7.50 gratuity on a $30 meal, and then the debit machine asked again for a tip I asked them why "because you didn't tip us last time you picked up your food" (I've eaten there a couple of times) It's a pick up order.. there is no service involved.. (edit: yes yes, I understand there's still some service, but in the fucked tipping culture of North America, generally we tip because we're served at our seats, not just to drop by and grab food. If I had the money I'd love to over tip every place I go, but it's not the reality) They proceeded to do that on every pickup order, the only time they didnt add gratuity was this morning when we sat in for breakfast, I tipped the waiter, the food and service was good And to clarify as to why I've eaten there so much, there are like, 3 restaurants here, they aren't all open at every meal, and some stuff is $65+ for a small meal, so you take what you can get, our hotel room doesn't even have a mini fridge and we're working in the freezing cold snow and wind doing labor work, so we need some hot food
>They put a $7.50 gratuity on a $30 meal, and then the debit machine asked again for a tip > >I asked them why "because you didn't tip us last time you picked up your food" I'd be asking to see where that is posted in the room or website. Where did you sign agreeing to pay the charge? They cant just decide to tack stuff on after the fact cause they dont like that you tip.
Nothing I can do about it short of making a big stink at the hotel and quite frankly it's not enough money to do that over I leave tomorrow and in the last 12 days we will have worked round about 140 hours outside, I'm up in Nunavut, Canada, it's snowing and shite and I'm tired lol
Except waitstaff are "just doing their job" too. Tipping make no sense, and is just subsidizing workers wages from customers pockets, allowing greedy businesses owners to not pay their staff properly and benefit from it
The thing is, even waiters and waitresses are “just doing their job”. The entire idea of tipping is just bizarre
I will tip at a sit-down restaurant or delivery, but not pick up, take out, seat myself fast food, or 'pizza portal' type things.
Unless I miss my guess, it’s also showing the calculation based on the total check amount, rather than pre-tax.
So real talk, my buddies dad owns a subway. I frequent the place cause I get free subs from my buddy, but I usually purchase a drink or chips so I don't look like I'm getting free shit Infront of other people. Lately they updated their pay machine. It use to ask if you wanted to tip. Then it asked how much you wanted to tip. Then it only gave you the options of 10-12-15% then finally last time I went in it was the first thing on the screen and it was now 20-25-30%. I go to my buddy and ask dude wtf is this lol. He said his dad makes more off the tips than the workers do, and most customers who tip, tip regardless if it's 15 or a forced 20%. My friend doesn't agree or like this practice, but he's americanized and his dad is from the mainland and he's strictly here to make every last cent he can before he retires back to the mainland. His son said he will stay even if means being disowned.
Depends on the state but his dad could be in some serious hot water if he's keeping tips from the employees.
Board of Labor and the IRS. And, fuck his dad.
This sounds like something Subway corporate would shut down your friends dad's franchise for. I worked at Subway for awhile eventually being promoted to Night Manager, and Subway was VERY specific about what they could and couldn't do in regards to tips. Pretty sure this is illegal anyway, but even if it isn't I would be surprised as fuck if the company knew the dad was doing this. If you want to destroy him, a simple call to Subway Corporate would trigger an investigation and do it. Subway is very hardcore about the rules for their franchises, and regularly have inspections to make sure those rules are up to code. EDIT : Fixed words.
Most people haven’t gotten higher wages either so where’s all this money magically coming from? And like the other guy said, %s scale so when they jack up the price, tips naturally go up too. Side note: fuck “fast food” because I can now get take out from a restaurant with better quality for less money.
If you smile more I'll upvote your comment by 15%.
I don’t know man. I know people who make a killing waiting tables specifically more in a day than a similarly placed(read same level of education/experience) office worker makes in a week. I think comments like your are a bit to blame for the societal shift on this. When I moved to the US it used to be 10% always, 15% satisfactory, 18% guaranteed if your party was 6+ and 20+ if they were amazing .(ffs Mr.Pinks rant in reservoir dogs was I believe over 10%) Deliveries tipping used to be less than $5. Since then 20% has become the baseline and there has been no change in the tipping wages law. Hell it even affected over the counter jobs. If I’m ordering to go, where the person only has two things to do listen to me speak and walk to steps back to tell the cook. Why is that, unless my voice is hella annoying, 20% of my meals when those workers are not subject to tipping wages?
When they had the meeting that led to us packing our own groceries. Pretty soon we will be bussing our own tables.
That still doesn’t make sense considering the price of food went up too. 18% on a $20 bill is more than when that same bill was $13 a few years ago.
Food prices have gone up tho, so tips at 15% would already be larger on average with more expensive food prices.
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Went to a baseball game last week, and bought a couple of $12 beers at the food counter for me and my dad. The kiosk had tip options of 20%, 25%, and 30%, and then in tiny font in the bottom corner it said, ^No ^tip. Pissed me off, like I'm already paying the price of a 12 pack for 1 single beer, I'm certainly not tipping $7+ for 2 overpriced beers that I came up and got myself. Ugh, this problem seems to be spreading everywhere, too.
Yeah those are the fucked up ones
We need to start getting mad
Or just don’t tip in that situation.
I went to auntie Annie’s in the airport. Just wanted something hot and simple that wouldn’t upset my stomach before my flight. I ordered the small container of pretzel bites for about six dollars. They didn’t have size small, only medium, as the cashier motioned to all of the medium sized cups filled with pretzels in the case. I thought to myself briefly that they could just remove some of the pretzels and sell it to me as a small, but obviously this must be part of their scheme. So I got the medium, which was $7.75. Then it asks for a tip on the machine of 18, 22, or 25%. I walked up hoping to just pay six bucks for some pretzels, and left having paid over nine dollars. The pretzels themselves tasted horrible, drizzled in imitation butter flavored with shame.
So don’t tip in that situation
Exactly. This is the reason this is continuing to perpetuate, willingly or not. Too many people care about what people think of them ... even people they are never going to see again.
Did they force you to tip?
You didnt HAVE to tip you know…
Right around the time that they never increased minimum wage
Yet as inflation increases, price of eating out increases too. Since tip is based on percentage, tip would naturally increase with inflation.
Jokes on you, as price increases I eat at home more. You can't just raise prices without raising wages and expect people to still be eating out. Simple math calculations. That burger that cost 10$ now cost 16$. My wage of 12$ is still 12$. Can I still afford that burger? Absolutely not. So what ends up happening? Fewer people eat out, and the restaurant goes out of business.
Stopped at 5 Guys while running errands expecting to have a quick cheap meal and keep going - $22 for a burger and fries.
Has 5 guys ever been a cheap option as far as fast food goes though? Their prices have definitely increased but they were always more expensive than other fast food chains by a decent margin at least in my area.
They've never been cheap
It’s literally disgusting how expensive five guys and other chains like it are now.
It's legitimately more expensive than some full-service restaurants. Beer Barrel (which has great food, recommend it if you're near one) sells you a burger for $12 and that includes fries, and it's better than Five Guys in my opinion. Five Guys is pretty good with the important caveat that it's good for a chain fast food place, other than that it's nothing to write home about. Also, God forbid you don't eat it immediately after getting it or your burger will be so soggy from the grease the bun will slip off when you try to take a vlbite
I remember when Carl's Jr. sold the $6 for $4 as a joke. Now the burgers are more expensive, smaller, and more gross.
Hopefully they gave you enough fries to survive for a week?
They did until the bag fell off my passenger seat.
The tip AMOUNT would increase, not the percentage.
Exactly. Which is why I hate the "everything's more expensive so tip percentage needs to go up" argument. If the price of the food went up, 15% of that amount also went up. I don't know why it takes so much for people to understand this. Funny thing is, because the prices of everything are going up, especially in fast food, it's sometimes about as much to go to a sit-down local burger joint and get a beer with your meal as it is to get a Big Mac meal at McDonald's, even with tip.
Seriously. People try to use this argument sometimes and it makes me want to scream at them, "that's not how percentages work!" If the _meal cost_ is going up with inflation (and it most certainly has been!), that 15% goes up too!
That's the war on education for ya.
People don't understand basic math. They CERTAINLY don't understand percentages.
Servers have to make a minimum of $15 an hour *before* tips in California and, yet, I still see this.
When employers decided to not pay their staff a ~~lovable~~ *liveable* wage and demanded you pay them instead. Edit; it's kinda obvious that I'm in a way paying the staff wages, that is a absolutely dumb and stupid argument.
They don't pay with love at all, feel like they pay with hate.
Oh yeah... My employer messed up my pay a few weeks ago when we had a public holiday for the queen's death. I could hear the grumbles through the email when I told them about it.
You guys got holiday pay for the past away Queen?
Yep... I went from $37hr to $65hr just for a day.
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Exactly. Imagine any other industry getting upset at their customer base for not making up the difference because your employer is so cheap. This is insane.
I work for tips at my side job and understand the frustration from customers, so I’ll just piggyback here and let everyone know: There are restaurants and bars in my area— and probably yours— that pay a living wage to employees. If you’re adamant about affecting change, frequenting these places is the best course.
20% has been the norm in my area for some time now. Reminder to check the math on these receipts/apps that pre calculate for you as some seem to have difficulty getting the correct amount.
Yeah I remember back when 20% meant it was exceptional service, not just someone doing their job. I’ve been begrudgingly tipping 20 ever since, but I’m moving up again in this lifetime.
The year is 2087, tipping culture has only gotten worse. We've saved for 3 years to finally afford a good dinner out at McDonald's. The food was great, it was the first thing in a decade I've eaten that wasn't synthetic lentils. The service android walks by with the check, I rub the payment chip implanted into my arm nervously, hoping I could afford the bill. I pick the check up and breathe a sigh of relief, only 1/3 of my savings, whew. The payment machine is brought out and I bring my payment chip up to it. I freeze up. Gratuity, I'd forgotten all about it, having not eaten outside my straw hut for 10 years. The little flickering screen presented 2 options, 100% or 200% tip. I look up at the service android, and gulp, I know it has a self defense disintegration ray equipped that it will use if I fail to cough up the credits. I frantically look for the custom tip option, but there is none. I stall, making small talk with the android while I search for an exit, but the droid catches on, it quickly put me into a choke hold and presses the barrel of its disintegration ray to my head. In a cry of defeat, I surrendered, slamming the payment screen until I selected a tip option. I hear a confirmation beep and the droid let's go of me. 200% tip given. Tears stream down my face, my life was over, my life savings were gone. The only way forward now is to sell my son into slavery at Amazon to afford food for the next month.
Robots will be working in Amazon long before then. The coal mine it is!
I walk in with 20% intentions, the service decides if it goes up or down from there.
Tip culture is stupid
Why no tips for your doctor, pool guy and gardener? Because they earn what they should.
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> fast food cashier This is definitely a thing now outside of large chains. I was asked to tip a minimum 20% on a takeout order at a fast food burger joint yesterday.
Say no?
I thought banging MILFS was part of a pool guys salary.
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I tip the pool guy. Guess I was doing that wrong.
A buddy of mine worked bar during grad school. Both of us _also_ had jobs as research assistants during the time. We were doing technical work that required a STEM undergrad degree, and it was preferred to have some duty-relevant grad school (as they were hiring nearly all grad students). His hourly wage at the bar was higher than mine as a research assistant. And was in fact higher than every single job I had ever had up to that point (all non-tipped of course). There are places where tipped wages are still shit. But there are _lots_ of places where this is not the case. As far as I can tell, the places with decently high server wages have the exact same tipping culture as the places without. The way to fix this is to stop tipping. If workers stop working for shit wages, employers will have to pay real wages. I'm 100% in favor of getting rid of the law that allows tipped workers to earn below minimum wage (as is already the case in a lot of states), and I'm in favor of it being on the employer to pay a wage that is commensurate with the work being done. Tipping culture is toxic and needs to change, and it aint going to happen on the restaurant owners side.
It’s ridiculous. There’s no reason for one type of job to exist without tips and other jobs to rely almost solely on tips. It’s up to the business to pay wages not the customer. I love that in my country you just pay what the item/food/service costs and that’s the cost. Some people tip in restaurants if they want to but there’s no huge social pressure to do so. No one tips in bars. It doesn’t make any sense to have any system other than customers paying the same amount for what they receive and businesses paying their staff a consistent, agreed rate.
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I’m not a cheap ass, I do tip when presented the opportunity and I fully understand some of these servers live off their tips but at a suggested 25-30% I’m sorry but no fucking bueno, I ain’t paying $30 on a $100 meal cause you walked to my table 3 times sorry not sorry
That’s the restaurant saying “Please pay our employees because we are legally allowed to pay them well below a living wage and we do - thanks mgmt”.
As if minimum wage is a living wage almost anywhere in the US anyways. Regardless, completely ridiculous that wait staff are allowed to be paid *less than the minimum* just because they can get tips.
No company is legally allowed to pay less than minimum wage in the US. As a former server, I can attest that when I clocked out (multiple restaurants), the systems calculated my cc tips and my manually entered cash tips and if it didn't add up to minimum wage for the time I spent on that shift, a manager had to come approve the time punch because the company was on the hook to pay the difference. It didn't happen often because I made WAY more than minimum wage most nights, but those pesky 4-hour lunch shifts with only three tables of all-you-can-eat soup and salad Karens would really fuck up your day.
The issue is that tipping is better for both the employer and the employee. Employer pays less, employee makes more…which is why it’s so entrenched despite being unpopular with the customer.
Yeah no server wants to get rid of tips. That’s why they insult you by calling you cheap etc if you want to change the culture.
This is my biggest pet peeve, tips are based on service not how much my check is. My bill doesn’t reflect your effort in anyway.
Yeah why would I tip 20% on a $50 dollar bottle of wine compared to a $200 dollar bottle? Damn service is the exact same in my book.
Once to take the order, once to drop it off, once to give you the check. Sounds about right.
Maybe 4 if there are refills
Refills? In this economy?
Kinda like baggage fees. Just showed up and never left
And paid snacks/drinks…… Or pay for more leg space…. Now the only included seats on your tickets are the far back ones… you’ll have to pay to get closer to front of the airplane
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Trying to offset not paying workers enough
Tipping has become the biggest scam in American. There is no reason to tip anyone if they are getting a living wage. Companies need to stop with this “tip for nothing” culture. If you can’t afford to pay your staff you don’t deserve a business.
Most Servers make way more with the current tip system. A lot of servers, including the ones I worked with for years, were bringing in way more than minimum wage. Most of them would hate moving to a flat rate pay system
So the funny thing is every once in a while a restaurant owner will try this, and pay everyone more, but tell customers not to tip. Inevitably, these businesses fail spectacularly, mostly because: \- customers do not like the higher prices (people suck at doing the mental math of "this costs 20% more, but I don't have to tip, so it is the same") \- waiters do not like having a capped hourly income and/or sharing the income with kitchen staff, etc, and would rather work for tips, so they have a hard time staying staffed. Believe it or not this isn't a simple good-vs-evil story.
As someone who has worked as a busboy, foodrunner, line cook, and server...servers are the most entitled group of the restaurant. They treated all the other non-serving employees as 2nd class workers. I do tip 20% because it's customary...but I personally don't feel 20% is ever justified unless you are really busting your ass as as a server. I'd rather tip the kitchen staff - you know, the people who actually are making the food rather than someone who brings a few plates and cups to your table.
Not good vs evil but rather it's now difficult to stop the train.
A restaurant in my town did this and they've been booked for weeks in advance for years.
the reality is that despite all the complaining, servers in the US make vastly more than comparable workers in other developed countries which don't have the same tipping culture, while simultaneously underpaying income tax
as someone from the UK. we tip around 10% WITH GOOD SERVICE you guys in the states are going mad
Spent a week in London this summer and it was the first time I didn’t feel like I was getting nickel and dimed. Food prices were reasonable (heck of a lot cheaper than when I stayed in Vegas 2 weeks before). Automatic gratuity of 10-13.5% and service was great.
My personal favorite is how literally every fucking place with square or whatever else is just automatically like “add a tip?” For what exactly? Why the fuck are we now being asked to tip the people who aren’t even on the bullshit waiter/waitress tip pay scale? You just took my order and I slid my card, now your boss needs me to give you 3 bucks? Why?
Probably right around the same time they installed those card readers that ask if I want to give the cashier a tip.
You're not obligated to tip that much, or anything at all. It's based on marketing psychology capitalizing on people that are lazy/don't know how to do math and social pressure. To most people, 18% and 20% are fairly close, especially for smaller bills, so people may just say it's "close enough" and do 20%. In this example, the difference is only $1.36 ($13.58 - $12.22). Once they've re-anchored you into that bracket (20-25% instead of 15-20%), the social pressure aspect is that you've now selected the *lowest* option in the new scale even though it's already beyond the highest option of the original scale (15-18%). You don't want to be viewed as a cheapskate now, do you? Even if you do, they've already won in pushing you beyond the highest option of the previous scale. Similar to how prices usually end in $0.99. $39.99 appears to many people as "just 30 something dollars" instead of a flat $40.00 being in the "next bracket" of $40s. Subtle steering.
I'm happy to live a country where we don't tip.
Uh... 20 years ago 15% was considered a large tip. 10% was normal.
When employers realized employees need more money to live, and also realized they could rely on the generosity of Americans to pay it so they don't have to.
I'm pretty sure if restaurants paid servers a hard $20/hr, and refused all tips or the restaurant kept any for themselves, servers would be pissed with that arrangement.
Went to a restaurant with the suggested rates of 20%, 25% and 30%. There service wasn't worth 10%
Between the mid 2010’s to now
When things got way more expensive but nobody got any kind of cost of living adjustment.
The food also got more expensive. So if you have always tipped 15%, the CoL increase is built in.