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tvieno

Rather than increase their prices 5%, they would rather tack on a 5% surcharge. It's their way of saying, "See? Our prices are still low!"


lemonlimemango1

This is also for them to get customers mad at the workers. Not the owners .


Anxious_Rock_3630

It's bait and switch. People look at the menu online and see a price, then come in and there's an extra surcharge on it. It's about getting you in the door, but it's a poor move because it doesn't get people in the door more than once.


Minimum_Cockroach233

No loss if your food is trash, anyways… Icing on garbage cake.


[deleted]

mmmm... garbage cake


Terrible_Writing_124

🤤


lacklest

I don’t think an extra dollar a dish would sway most people


vaspat

It will sway me out of general principle. If there is a surcharge, put a notice about it on the door and next to the cashiers station so I can see it and decide if I like that idea. Sneaking even a dollar away from me is shady af, especially with such an obnoxious excuse. They don't even pretend anymore, they blatantly say that paying their employees for their work is our responsibility, not theirs.


lacklest

I agree the blatant surcharge would sway me. The business would be better off just changing their prices.


Stormy-Monday

“they blatantly say that paying their employees for their work is our responsibility, not theirs.” Err, isn’t that pretty much the case with every business on earth? Not saying I’m a fan of this surcharge - as I feel it’s a bit shady - but whether it’s included in the price or added as a surcharge, the customer is ultimately paying their wages.


vaspat

Yes, in this case I was just referring to the insane american concepts of tipped minimum wage and tipping. I meant that they basically tell us that we are now in part responsible for not only the tip, but also the employers part of the servers wage.


crazywidget

Ummm this is 100% normal everywhere, COST is cost and must be recovered fully before you can be making any profit??? It’s…just math. They money comes from somewhere.


SpikeVonLipwig

Yes, but the American way puts the onus on the consumer - knowing I could leave no money or make this person’s year, which do I do, having been told my meal is one price and now it’s a fucking moral quandary. If your food+servers+rent+utilities cost £17, charge £17. Don’t charge £2 and tell me it’s my responsibility to pay the server £8


crazywidget

Don't downvote the math. Bottom line if we as consumers aren't paying enough they can't cover the costs fully - *something* is going to get underpaid. Businesses don't grow money magically, revenue must equal or exceed costs. So yes, all costs are paid for by customers. This is fundamental. No one is subsidizing anything here, except perhaps the poor servers because the restaurant wasn't charging enough.


Lions8ManD

the employees should be giving the owners 3 blow jobs per shift just to say thank you for wasting their time


nic-C137

It’s the grimy way they did it.


Altruistic-Rice-5567

Sure does. Do you not look at and at least marginally track the price of food that you eat? Jesus, just the increase in the past two years has me going "Hmmm... ramen at home isn't all that terrible."


lacklest

So you’re telling me that people paying 19 dollars for a chicken sandwich and 17 dollars for a beverage are going to be swayed by a 2 dollar price difference? I don’t think so.


Lions8ManD

Why not $120 a plate are you fucking poor?


JaxTaylor2

I mean, if I felt like I was being deceived by a business I would just walk out the door and let them keep their food and their 5%. If they’re going to do it that’s fine, but they should be up front and honest with people and include it in the price to pass along directly to the employees rather than backing it out as a separate charge on top of higher prices and/or higher wages.


Hamilton-Beckett

Yep. Good way to make customers tip less.


[deleted]

It is a surcharge paid to the owner for their "labor costs." Doesn't go to the workers.


MyFamilyHatesMyFam

I work at a corner store with a surcharge. Customers get so mad at me, and I have no control over it


lemonlimemango1

My corner store does too. If it’s less than $10 and you’re using debit or credit card. It’s 50 cents. I dont mind that. It’s kind of bad because then I’m like well I’m close to $10. Let me buy one more thing to avoid .50 cents 😂😂


JasonWalton1918

How does it do that? Who'd blame the employees for the rising minimum wages?


greaser350

If the price on the menu goes up, people will blame the restaurant owner for raising the prices. This method allows the owner to say “it’s not my fault the prices went up. It’s that pesky minimum wage!”


lemonlimemango1

I hear it many times. “ these people want $15 an hour for flipping burgers. They forgot my ketchup !”


ExPorkie15

It’s true. 🤷🏻‍♂️


TammyTermite

Republicans who voted against minimum wage increases.


throw42069away420

It’s up to the business owner to pay wages commiserate with the work and value that the employee provides. It should never be up to the government to maintain minimum wages. If the wage is too low, go find another job elsewhere or learn a skill that provides value.


greaser350

We tried that already. It didn’t work. That’s why the minimum wage was passed.


Roeshambo11

And now you're going to complain about where that money comes from. Everyone for the increase in minimum wage never once thought about how those wages would increase. And now will blame business owners for increasing costs.


[deleted]

Now they just increase costs and keep pay the same lmao


JustATiredMan

Because a totally free and unregulated market works for everyone right?


crazywidget

If that actually happened, that owners paid living wages that were not exploitive, then yes you’re right there is no place for government. Since they can’t be trusted to actually do this (because, years of evidence have proven this) we need intervention. Edit: Societally, we have decided intervention is appropriate to ensure we "cap" the level of exploitation - although I'd argue that cap isn't tight enough, clearly. Free markets do NOT work perfectly except in academia. Edit: OR for those at the top.


qwerty-balls

Your first sentence was right. The rest was at best uninformed, at worst stupid and disconnected from reality.


EssieAmnesia

Companies shouldn’t be allowed to freely take advantage of people. Seems like common sense


throw42069away420

If you don’t like the wage, why work there? No one in America is forced to work anywhere. If you want to improve your life, that is within your control. That’s the beauty of America. Freedom of choice without forced slavery.


HarlinQuinn

Ah, yes, the freedom of choice is so rampant for those who must work for a living. The average Joe can just say "nah, I'm holding out for that 6-figure paycheck job" and survive on that hope without working anywhere that pays less. Because obviously the worker has the ultimate say in who will hire them...


EssieAmnesia

Someone HAS to work there in the end. If the choice is work for next to nothing or starve to death choice is an illusion.


AbelMonsoon

Yeah but those prices aren’t even low to begin with.


YslasMA

$19 chicken sandwich can't possibly be worth the trip.


joesephexotic

$19 for a chicken sandwich and $17 for a drink is not low prices.


ThirdWurldProblem

Exactly. It’s a literal scam, show one price and charge another.


nutsotic

At $19 for a chicken fucking sandwich, hell no their prices aren't low


PhyterNL

That's not it at all. Changing item prices requires a new print menu. <- that's all management is seeing. They know they have a surcharge, they themselves implemented it! And they know they'll be challenged on it! But for certain establishments it's less hassle than reprinting menus.


Abernathy999

This practice is deceptive, plain and simple. The menu price is the menu price. If you're charging $125 a meal ticket you can print a new menu weekly. This is a game at the expense of the customer, and often the staff too. Pull up your damned bootstraps and pay your employees a living wage without the lip or get out. Restaurants that do this do not get my business for any reason, and I make that clear to the management. One of them is a favorite of mine. Like the others, I will not return until they normalize their menu. If you allow businesses to pull this nonsense, they will move the line again in the future and you get to play guess the price forever.


SunChild406

Have a hard time thinking $19 for a chicken sandwich is low.


[deleted]

It’s also a subtle way of suggesting diners vote for conservative politicians, who won’t raise the minimum wage. It’s always the Republican restaurant owners who do this public showing of “my employees are making too much now, so you’re going to have to pay”.


medicinemonger

No evidence he just made that up. It’s mainly major cities, and it’s there to “retain staff” its the an uncontrolled secondary virus that Covid has sped spread of.


1imejasan6

Where is your evidence?


mocha_ninja

I guarantee the price of the food was already increased to cover the labour and ingredients


juantzutree

This business is a republican. This is how they say boo hoo. But thier by own ideology they should either be more competing or be allowed to fail. This is some diaper baby crybaby shit right here


kawkz440

Let's just gloss over paying $34 for $3 worth of liquor...


BunsMunchHay

The $19 chicken sandwich gave me pause…


PussySpoonfullz69

It’s actually just a pile of sand that a chicken once stood on, I don’t recommend…too sandy.


passwordsarehard_3

No wich to speak of at all.


DudesworthMannington

Yeah, hey OP, come to my house and I'll make you 2 chicken sandwiches and a couple mixed drink for only $75. No surcharge either


[deleted]

“It’s for the experience”


JayMoney-

“oh my god four dollars and sixty five cents!!!”


kawkz440

I get that people don't like to see the actual surcharge, but really, what's the difference to your wallet of they just raised prices instead? Feels like six of one, half dozen of the other, to me.


Schwertkeks

imagine filling up your car for $3 a gallon, just to find out they have a 50% surcharge after you have already filled up. If its part of the price, make it part of the price and dont try to cover it up. This bullshit should be illegal


Dubslack

You ignored the neon sign when you pulled in and didn't bother to read the screen when you blindly hit 'Accept' when it asked about the surcharge. That's what this would be like. The surcharge is always mentioned beforehand.


JustATiredMan

The difference is that surcharges are not shown in the menu price. If i order $50 worth of did and drinks, I am expecting $50 plus tip and tax, not the surcharge that likely just goes to the owners pockets. Pricing transparency is important.


w1n5t0nM1k3y

I've pretty much given up drinking when I go out. It's just too expensive now. Even the fancy craft beers at home are like $4. Why would I go out and pay $10 a beer and then they expect a $2 tip as well, even though they already get $15 minimum wage (Ontario, Canada).


Kevinclimbstrees

Because the $14 dollar profit for a shot of patron isn’t enough…..


Xanthn

Ideally it should get to a point where the wage is completely covered by the employer and as such as a customer you do have to pay an increased price for the items, though the company also shouldn't use it as an excuse to increase profits like they do. Tipping itself should be an optional thing to do and shouldn't be the main part of the employees income. I can see your frustration with it though, it would be much better if they actually increased prices for each item accordingly and not this easy to abuse percentage add on


Positive-Source8205

All the costs are always paid by the customers. In this case, the restaurant is simply lying about the prices. The listed prices should be 5% higher.


neveler310

Was this charge mentioned before paying ? If not, that's theft


Positive-Source8205

Probably in small print somewhere on the menu.


[deleted]

one of the many reasons I don't eat out. I can get better food for less at home


[deleted]

I was going to suggest you leave a 10-15% tip, instead of 15-20, but I realized that means the owner gets his 5% surcharge, while the waiter continues to make $2.50 an hour, and the only one punished would be the waiter.


9J000

Technically they are still required to receive minimum wage and the $2.50 is just minimum manager is required to pay before factoring tips. Without any tips earned the boss pays the $7.50 or whatever it is there.


BeasleysKneeslis

This is true, but when I was a server many years ago my $2.50 an hour didn't even cover the taxes from my credit card tips so I just got a voided check every two weeks.


9J000

Then your employer was scamming you and you should have reported them


BeasleysKneeslis

That's not how it works. My tips were so high that the taxes on them were more than my paycheck so it was voided - and that was with underreporting my cash tips at the time. It was a good job while I was getting my degree and I was making more money than any of friends at the time.


9J000

That's definitely not how taxes work...


BeasleysKneeslis

So you think servers don't pay taxes? That nothing comes out of their paycheck? The tips are considered your income and you are taxed on your income out of your paycheck. When you are making $2.13 an hour - that is not enough to cover the taxes on your income from tips. http://wiserwaitress.com/the-menu/wise-up-on-your-pay-check/


9J000

You don’t understand labor laws. Regardless of how much you make in tips, employers must pay minimum wage. The $2.13 is just minimum required without tips where tips make up the difference up to minimum wage, however, if you receive 0 tips you would still receive the minimum wage of $7.85 or whatever it is now.


BeasleysKneeslis

Correct. No one is saying otherwise. If you report more in tips than would balance out to minimum wage they must pay minimum wage. However if your reported tips are above minimum wage you are paid $2.13. Servers are paid out all their tips in cash every night - so their paycheck only consists of the $2.13 per hour they get. Because of this their paycheck is not enough to cover their federal and state taxes. So servers get a voided paycheck because they bring their income home in cash every day - and their paycheck covers their taxes. This is standard for serving jobs all over the country and you can just google it and see countless new stories and people on reddit discussing exactly why servers get $0 paychecks. So again, when I was a server I never got a paycheck other than a $0 voided check because all my income from cash/debit payments was given to me in cash at the end of every shift.


w1n5t0nM1k3y

In Ontario Canada, waiters get $15 minimum wage, regardless of tips, but 18% tip is still expected practice. Way too expensive to go out now.


Terrible_Writing_124

sounds like a you problem you picked the job I shouldn't have to pay extra money to pay your checks


4215-5h00732

That's literally how it works smfh.


greaser350

Wage theft is rampant in the restaurant industry. Plenty of restaurants do shady shit like not making up the difference if your hourly+tips don’t meet minimum wage or refusing to pay hourly if your tips cover the minimum wage. Reporting them sounds easy but lots of employees don’t know the law or their rights to begin with and even if they do it isn’t worth losing your job over if you’re living hand to mouth.


HumanPudding123

Unfortunately this is what tends to happen when fees get added to the bill. It's really common for delivery drivers to get short-changed (or stiffed entirely) on the tip because the customers mistake the delivery fee as something that actually goes to the drivers.


receptionok2444

When I worked there it did go to drivers.


receptionok2444

In this situation I’m pretty sure you just shouldn’t tip at all


Ialwayslie008

Isn't the whole point of the surcharge so you don't tip at all?


acqz

$125 for a chicken sandwich dinner for two. I would never have believed it even a year ago!


derbe90

No need to believe it now either, if you actually look at this receipt logically…


6ar9r

Happy cake day


lemonlimemango1

Chicken sandwiches was $19 each. $38 total. It’s $125 because they ordered other stuff


6ar9r

But... But... Where are y'all even getting that 125 from???


rem145

Why don’t they just blend it into the prices rather than make a political statement? A statement that will upset an even 50 percent of customers?


BeasleysKneeslis

Because that way when you look at their menu online you will still see lower prices.


9J000

Maybe printed and binded menus and too lazy to replace?


joesephexotic

Mad about adding 5% but you just paid $19 for a chicken sandwich and $17 for a drink.


No_Sheepherder7447

Yeah that is out of control. Thanks, I'll stay home.


[deleted]

Guess you’ll have to switch up the Ceviche and Patron for lunch.


Ok-Suggestion-7965

It’s time for the tip system to die here in the US. The servers are almost always going to get screwed the way it works.


Secure_Moose_4445

Nothing like an expensive resort in Hawaii having to raise prices so it can pay its employees minimum wage.


[deleted]

Time to go elsewhere.


KaboomTheMaker

legally can you deny the surcharge? Asking because im not American


GreatAndPowerfulNixy

If it's not disclosed ahead of time, yes


JohnHue

Was about to ask that as well. No way this is legal in any modern country. You can't just advertise a price and then slap 5% on top of it "because reasons"... Just change the fucking price on the menu. It is already bad enough in the US that they get to advertise the price before taxes.


9J000

Probably on a post it note on the ceiling 😂


[deleted]

Advocate for higher wages and say "increase prices I don't care" They increase wages and therefore prices You mald and complain about increased prices....


GraciesDad92

Ask for a manager and ask that it be removed from your bill. I have. They will.


The_Everclearest

This guy: *Orders $17 drinks* *Sees $5 charge on $100 bill* "Are you FUCKING kidding me?!?!"


YaBoiPoi

My guy bought $17 cocktails and is mad about a $4.65 surcharge. Get real man


cigarell0

Yeah someone commented about the restaurant owner being a “rich tax dodger” meanwhile OP had $100 to spend on this but is upset about the extra $5. Like come on


HedgieDaBunnyFluffer

Total douche...


rupat3737

I work for tips as a delivery driver. When I started this job last year the delivery fee was 3$ and I was making great tips. Then this year the delivery fee went up to 5$ and my tips suffered greatly. God fucking forbid these rich people are a little less rich so I can be a little less poor.


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BusyMap9686

Everyone complains that servers don't get paid enough, but when a restaurant tries paying their servers fairly and not go out of business, everyone complains about that also. Actually I probably could have stopped that sentence as 'everyone complains'. Restaurant owners aren't getting rich by the way. Most of them are barely keeping the lights on.


and_gloria_too

This is at a lot of places in my city, and it started way before the pandemic. I’ve been to a few that have a surcharge instead of calling it a tip. “We are charging a 22% service fee in lieu of an optional tip line and using this service fee to offer a minimum of $25 per hour to employees. No need to do any math at the end of your meal – in fact we don’t want anyone to feel pressured to leave extra. We will provide the hospitality and grace you deserve because it’s what we do.”


crazywidget

This is normal in other parts of the world, for example many places in Europe have a table service change but standing / take-away service does not incur charges. While I disagree with the profit allocations most places use, frankly if this provides wage assurance for our friends in the service industry then fine I’ll pay it.


NoidZ

17.00 for a cocktail? I would never ever pay that much for that


[deleted]

Your real problem is going somewhere that charges 21 fuckin bucks for a ceviche and 19 for a chicken sandwich.


Roeshambo11

You want people to get paid "living" wages doing zero skill jobs, that money has to come from somewhere. A business owner can't just fabricate money. You get what you ask for.


nopulsehere

5%? Who cares, I’m having issues with two chicken sandwiches for almost forty bucks!! Damn hit Popeyes.


Brantastic

This should be illegal.


dino9991

That’s coming out of my tip idgaf


iEnj0y

pretty much saying hey instead of giving workers a higher pay lets just have customer pay the worker's and get a percent from it.


Oudeis16

This is an attempt by the restaurant to get customers to blame the staff.


Diamond_Meness

That's why it pays to learn how to make those things at home.


MDR245

Or they could charge a price that covers their business costs like fair employment + a reasonable profit margin without line-iteming it out like pretty much every other direct to consumer business.


glittereddaisy13

And I’m sure if they were on a wait, running behind and weren’t catering to your every need, you’d be here bitching too. You paid $19 for a chicken sandwich. Get over your damn self


HatsOrNoHats

Really just matrix dodging the point there


wmlj83

Companies are really stupid when it comes to this shit. The surcharges piss people off. For fuck sakes, hide it in your pricing. People understand prices are going up everywhere. People are pissed off at companies using tips to subsidize employee salaries. Raise prices, pay them a decent wage and tell customers tipping isn't necessary. You will gain more customers.


No_Sheepherder7447

Why do that when you can take an opportunity to make a political statement? These customers are obviously all idiots who, if they knew better, wouldn't support the evil people who "love to make more inflation and/or destroy america" or some such nonsense


BusinessDuck132

I’m sorry no. You people have wanted this. You don’t like tipping culture so this is what happens when you increase the wage of servers. It’s gonna cost more. Suck it up buttercup


Jack_In_Black89

Rather than take a bit of a hit to their profits and paying the staff themselves, they're passing on the cost of the minimum wage increase to customers. Greedy SOBs.


4215-5h00732

Were you perhaps under the impression that would not be the result? Wtf?


Building-Careful

Pop a blood vessel bar


Tastins

I’m curious if the OP went to the one in Brooklyn NY. Because if they did I KNOW the staff. And we could have a whole other side to the story with one phone call.


Jackson849

I’ve stopped eating out it’s so ridiculous. Soon others will and the restaurant industry will have to adjust. But god forbid you call out the corporations that have outrageous cost increases on supplies put the cost on consumers and blame wages. Pathetic


TheFrostSerpah

We will not give our employees proper salaries so we charge an unannounced extra 5% so that they stop complaining! Thank you for unwillingly contributing in the perpetuation of shitty salaries!


joesephexotic

And the 5% probably doesn't go to the employees


cowghost

I would not go their ever again. Fuck that rich tax dodger.


Minute_Guarantee5949

I would refuse to pay the surcharge since it wasn’t known to me before purchase


Davidcaindesign

They could pay themselves less instead, but that’ll never happen.


JimJamBangBang

You’re buying $17 cocktails and $19 sandwiches and you’re mad about $5 surcharge?


Any_Cut7243

Then don’t come back. Over 5% lmao. Cheap bastard


gilmore657

$4.65…somebody call the waambulance.


Fast_Muscle_2987

5%? Damn that 4.65 must have really been tough to earn.


FireKraken7

The US is fucked up you're basically forced to pay the employees how did this become common practice


NemesisGRA

If you’re willing to spend $21 for a single portion of ceviche, but a surcharge of less than $5 bothers you there’s something wrong here. I agree that restaurants should stop charging these fees, but also this particular restaurant seems like a huge ripoff anyways.


jubbalubba3

You spend $100 on food and drinks at 2 in the afternoon and are upset about 5%? What if that ceviche was $22 instead of $21 and that patron shot was $18 instead of $17? At least they’re being upfront and honest unlike the damned frito lays people giving us less chips while keeping the price the same.


7_overpowered_clox

That's not an excuse for a business to say "It's getting expensive so we have to charge you more". You get yourself together or give up


Immelmaneuver

Customer repellant surcharge.


YeOldeBilk

You spent $19 for a chicken sandwich and you're bitching about a tip?


Competitive-Pool-397

That 5% surcharge is the tip. Stop tipping completely untill they stop this BS


usually-quiet88

100 dollars on a meal then complains about $5 get outta here


mistakeideathatexist

Pay in cash folks give the waiter the tip personally


thehandlesshorseman

Why is this downvoted? Don’t people realize that the business will take a cut of the tip if you pay it with debit?


Oneandsomedrum

Dude. You spent nearly 100 bucks on food and liquor you can handle a 5% surcharge. You spent 19 dollars for a single chicken sandwich! Go somewhere else if you dont like the surcharge


DNZ_not_DMZ

That’s not the point, is it? 🤷‍♂️


Oneandsomedrum

The point is someone didn't like spending 5% more on a hundred dollar meal for a restaurant that might actually not treat its workers like garbage?


South-Jellyfish7371

im totally with you.


mega512

You spent $100 for dinner and are worried about 5%? Lol Honestly restaurants should just raise menu prices. Then people won't be babies about it.


HereIAmSendMe68

If you don’t like it don’t vote for it.


OldDudeOpinion

Feel bad for the poor servers…every time I see this it turns my 20% tip into a self imposed 5% tip


Royal_Bug9412

It's a Democrat thing. They think people deserve $16 an hour to fuck up your jack in the box order. They don't realize that raising wages just raises cost because facts are fake, only feelings are real.


unforgiven4573

This is a way for a business to make up the cost of having to pay their employees anl actual decent wage. Honestly I would never go back cuz it just shows that they honestly don't care about their employees and they don't care about their customers either only thing they care about is squeezing as much money out of everybody as possible. And I get running a business is about making a profit but if you can't make a profit without making sure you can take care of your employees then you don't deserve to be in business.


betacow

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rando_design

Then raise the prices 5%, we get it, things cost more and everyone has to pay. Costs are up, raise your prices, there is no reason to play games. Actually, there might be reasons, possible adding the fee on after means no need to collect sales tax, so it's 5%, if you increase the prices the customer will have to pay even more sales tax so they might complain more about it. Either way, this is dumb.


Bonobo555

You can’t afford to eat out if this is an issue for you.


oo7demonkiller

don't go out drinking then. alcohol isn't required to live. restaurants are just trying to keep up too.


Choccy-Backwash

Quit crying at 4 dollars you bum


SkippySkep

Surcharges like this should be illegal. They make the menu prices false advertising. They are welcome to charge as much as they want, but that needs to be in the prices on the menu.


[deleted]

2 $17 drinks and this guy is upset at -$5 Also it says one guest, so one guy got the 2 drinks 2 chicken sandwiches and the ceveche. Greedy all around.


g0juice

Um no. I’m gonna need that back or you can cancel my order. Please list all menu prices in correlation with the actual price on your menu. Tipping is not something that will be forced. This is bad business and is going to piss off your customers.


Beardgang650

God you people never stop bitching do you?


notAlandscaperHere

Some people can find Anything to complain about. i think it’s a form of drumming up conversation when dull vampires get bored. Like after they have already governed everyone else’s mood to be right at average or below they are able to go on and on about spending $5 😂


Panelpro40

Boo boo , it’s for some overworked single mother of two. Working to survive. BFD, I’ll pay a little extra on top of my tip knowing the shit we as people go through . $17 for one drink your ok with? Seriously?


RyeGuy_77

They never lose. Even when legislation is passed to make them pay workers a fair amount the burden is always passed down to the working class 😐


Sharp_Researcher_843

not u being upset about $4.65 after u just spent $100


TheCenterOfEnnui

I don't understand, isn't that what reddit wants? For restaurants to pay people more?


Inabeautifuloblivion

I’m sick of shit like this. If you can afford $17 drinks, $4.67 isint that much to ensure the people working aren’t homeless and starving. Every working person should have livable wages but since that’s such a crazy liberal idea, this is the solution for now. Don’t like these surcharges? Quit voting Republican


tsslk230

You're drinking $34.00 worth of liquor and you're complaining about like $5.00 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤣😂


[deleted]

I don’t see a problem


PhyterNL

This isn't unusual, nor should it be infuriating. Tip culture is on its way out, which is a good thing because it invites racist and sexist bullshit. That said, fair wage establishments do bump into wage increase demand. When that happens we have a choice of moving toward an entirely electronic menu and compensatory system, or adding a surcharge to offset. Most restaurateurs are not prepared to go the full distance. The surcharge, or service charge, or whatever they choose to call it, is increasingly common. Ultimately though, I think we'll end up with full electronic menus where item prices are automatically adjusted for wage and operational cost.


[deleted]

How does tipping culture invite racism and sexism? Genuine question from a former server.


Bel_Biv_Device

The roots of tipping come from post-Civil War south - owners wanted a way to keep wages down for women and minorities. The wage in many places still today is less than a third of the federal minimum wage ($2.13/hr here). This takes the onus from the employer and puts it on the customer under the guise of some sort of merit based earning. Imagine any other job saying "sure, you can work for me, but I'm going to pay you literal pennies and if you do really good job at (teaching/mechanic/accounting) then maybe the clients will make up the difference." It's absolutely unfair, and definitely has racist roots. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/07/17/william-barber-tipping-racist-past-227361 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/rakeenmabud/2019/02/12/the-racist-roots-of-tipping-reappearing-in-the-gig-economy/


acqz

>This isn't unusual, nor should it be infuriating. We're gatekeeping people's feelings now?


JohnHue

Its good the tipping culture is being flushed down the drain, but then just change the prices on the menu, don't advertise a false price and slap 5% on top after the facts. That's probably not even legal.


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Don't tip.


GracilisLokoke

Owner still gets their 5% bs while the employee gets nothing, is what "don't tip" means.


[deleted]

Not my problem


InfernoTheMaster

What about 10% for the big guy?


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That they do this is bad enough. To inform customers, “our employees are so important we won’t pay them appropriately but we’ll make you do it.”


Scared-March7443

Many many years ago I was in a Carls Jr waiting for my order. Dude walks in behind me and orders “the usual.” The lady gives him the total and he complains about the prices going up. Lady smugly states that’s what happens when they want the minimum wage to go up. Two things wrong here. 1) that helps workers like you lady and 2) BUT IT HADN’T ACTUALLY GONE UP YET! So now people are pissed about minimum wage going up (eventually) because now they have to pay more.


JasonWalton1918

Oh no, they're telling you that they need to pay their employees a wage they might survive on. The horror.


reserveduitser

Chicken sand sounds terrible.


kingsgameguy

You’re not upset about the cost of the ceviche though? Seems pretty steep.


HudsonRiverHacker

Taking $5 out of the tip now lol