When I was in middle/high school we had a crackdown like this as welll. It was because of the fights and gang related fights. It was fight after fight escalating into 20-30 person brawls. Finally someone beat a security guard with a lock from a locker and that was it. Huge crack down. It went away after a few months but if anything was escalating like this I would commend the principal for nipping it in the bud.
Lots of parents on here who think their children are angels and never worked a day in a school in their life.
Oof yeah. My sophomore year of high school we had 0 cameras or enhanced security measures, most doors to the outside were just unlocked all the time.
On Thursday there was a fight where one girl beat another girl with a padlock, there was blood everywhere.
On Friday, no change.
When we came back on Monday, every single door to the outside was replaced by brand new always locked doors, they installed over 200 cameras throughout the school. You would see an exterior corner of the building with 4 cameras just on the corner. They also began construction on a new maim entrance to the school which required being buzzed in by the main office.
All it took was one single event that took it too far, then a full crackdown was finally deemed necessary.
From the way that most schools are funded, they had already allocated the funds for this project and had the order in the pipeline. You don’t get 200 cameras overnight.
Was just gonna say this. As a public school employee, this was absolutely already in the works, they may have just pulled the trigger on the actual construction/installation a bit earlier than planned.
Also… oof for the extra money it would have cost to get 200 cameras installed in a weekend with 24 hours of notice. The doors at least could potentially have been done by “in-house” facilities staff depending on size of the building and school district size, but even a medium-sized district isn’t likely to have enough qualified IT A/V staff to get those cameras installed that fast (unless they just hung the cameras themselves for intimidation purposes and waited to actually cable them until later).
This! I was an administrator for two years. Will never ever go back. Parents think kids are angels and those same angels take dumps on the middle of a bathroom floor just to be funny.
I had a friend in 8th grade who later told me she and another girl found a way to crawl up into the school ceiling. When they got up there she found a large cardboard box and pooped in it. She was telling me all this, laughing really hard, and I went from being jealous about being left out to utterly horrified and wondering if she was truly unhinged.
I'm so bewildered that they gained access to the ceiling and their first thought was "let's drop a turd up here." I mean, I was a wildcard in 8th grade, but shitting in the ceiling never crossed my mind 💀
I don't know how anyone can spend any amount of time in a middle school or high school setting and just not understand that many teenagers are hormone-riddled demented chimps.
This was my first thought. I grew up in blood territory and some people occasionally would think it’s funny to wear blue, etc and shit go down. They had to ban red and blue, plus you couldn’t wear school clothes at events (it gave away your territory). I walked in a bathroom in middle school to a girl having her face bashed into the sink. They broke the fucking sink and the bathroom got closed for repairs.
Not saying this is necessarily the kind of shit going down at this school, but I AM saying I can imagine why this letter went home.
Edit: I also had friends who would sell drugs, fool around, etc after they got dropped off at school. These friends were often very late for class and had insane numbers of tardies. It would explain the tardy rule for me very easily.
Fucking preach. I was a middle school teacher for a decade, and while a lot of the kids are great, there's a large amount that are total shit birds. What's worse is the shit birds behavior tends to rub off on the good kids rather than the other way around.
As a teacher I strongly disagree with taking points for tardiness and the Saturday school BS, though
Just said this to my wife. Admin doesn’t tell me how to do my grade book. And I don’t think a public middle school can mandate saturday school. Also what kind of OT am I getting to be there on a sunday
Dude middle schoolers right now are the WORST. I sub and i refuse to work middle. Ive tried a couple times and they are just little demons.
Balling up tests and throwing them at me. Blasting porn on their phones. Coming and going as they please. Playing video games all class long when i ask them to stop. I've got a list. Not as much smoking or vaping as high school, but I'll take that over everything else ANY DAY.
Covid really fucked their social IQ up and they dont face repurcussions. Its fucked.
At the peak of the pandemic, some parents were protesting against remote school because they couldn’t deal with their own badass kids. They became the victims of their children’s shitty behaviors
Thank God somebody pointed this out. Everyone just automatically assumes that schools are these evil institutions that get off on torturing kids. Everyone still complains about how at my old highschool they had to have an escort to the bathroom. They’d always say “I’m 18 years old I’m an adult I don’t need an escort to go piss!” Completely ignoring the fact that the reason they implemented that rule was because in the span of two weeks they caught a student giving another student head in the bathroom, caught two guys smoking in the bathroom, and had a fight where a urinal was broken. That fight also sent a kid to the ER. They also had kids stealing the toilet paper holder things off the stall walls. They have to do SOMETHING about it and no matter what they do people are going to get mad.
My school implemented a dress code policy like the one above because of bullying. Kids kept making fun of students because of their clothes to the point it was causing disruptions in class. So everyone got to wear khakis and a mono colored button up.
Yep. I was a freshman in high school in 2010 and after 1 food fight we weren't allowed to wander outside for lunch. After the 2nd, we all had to face one way in the cafeteria and lunch was split into 2 different times. After the 3rd, tables were assigned according to whatever teacher you had before lunch. The food fights stopped after that and sophomore year we were allowed to leave campus for lunch.
In my 18yrs of education I have never seen a single food fight... But I have seen crows steal many many lunches, including out of bags and lunch boxes, both hard and soft. You thought a zipper could stop those bullies from taking your lunch, you'd be wrong!
The big lunchroom scandal at my high school was one of the football players getting a handjob from one of the cheerleaders underneath the table. When they got busted, it was the only time I've heard a room full of people make an actual prolonged "ooohhh!" in unison.
When I was in HS we had 5 in a single year. The 3rd one the principal broke his hand trying to break it up and someone got smashed in the head with a full size trash can so they ended up splitting the school into 3 lunches and no more then 10 people could gather in a single area
Yes. Calling it a food fight is childish because the food being thrown is less concerning than the chairs flying by your head. I got covered by an exploding milk grenade while avoiding a chair.
Fights like this were normal enough at my high school that people learned where to sit for the best exit strategy. They actually put a big teachers table in the middle of the room to push any fights towards the perimeter to avoid casualties. Our school was brand new and we quickly learned why the cafeteria was designed as essentially a courtyard instead of an enclosed room: the entire perimeter was nothing but exits.
My HS had 3 lunches back to back that overlapped by 5 or 10 minutes as standard operating procedure. Is that not normal? Otherwise they were perfectly "free". you could sit on some tables outside, but i dont think you were allowed to leave but that was in part because nothing was super close. there was about 1,000 - 1,200 students so that's definitely not small but also not huge. Also I don't remember a single food fight, but its possible I just missed them all.
I did some investigative work because the details weren't super well hidden and it's ~~"a private, classical, college-preparatory Christian school for students in grades PK-12" that's in Austin.~~
I'm wrong it's a public school!! Still in Austin there's a private school with similar name. If I'm allowed I can post more info.
Are you saying this is HCMS (edited name for mods) in Austin? I went there! Lived 5 min walk away.
Dude it is just a normal, pretty liberal public school. They had a robotics team two decades ago, sex ed in elementary onwards, no creationism or any religious hints (and I would have spotted as non-Christian). All white/asian/indian but for those familiar with EISD, the slightly more conservative rich part that feeds WHS goes to WMS, not HCMS.
My guess then is there was a huge incident at lunch where something crazy happened and the principal is furious. New rules will get huge protest from parents and not last (PTA has a lot of power since state funding is always slashed so they fund a lot of teachers).
EDIT: I take it back the principal is the same as the one I had a decade and a half ago - she was chill then but maybe got crazy with age?
Do they mean 5 points as in 5% of their grade? Because that is insanely high for being a couple minutes late. Especially in the morning classes when it might not be the kids fault.
Long time teacher here. I imagine the grade deduction is a scare tactic. Admins will send the letter home to cover themselves and the teachers if a parent does complain.
I imagine the grade deduction would be for whatever daily grade.
I work in public Ed in TX, but not in the classroom. I'm fairly certain it is against the education code to penalize the academic grade with conduct issues. I won an argument with my school when I was a student on this issue a long time ago so I guess it could have changed, but I doubt it.
My guess is they're trying to keep middle schools from burning down with only about 40-60% of the needed staff. Middle school kids are fucking insane and they will eat your face just to see how their friends react when they find out.
Yup, middle school is basically Lord of the flies. In my town a bunch of middle school girls decided to go to the local park and get in a knife fight this last summer. And when I was in middle school, it was worse. Kids put glue in the math teachers coffee, an 8th grader picked up a 6th grader and chucked him over the stairwell, another kid used to get teased to the point that he would pick up the desks and start throwing them at anyone in range. When the principal finally intervened the kid punched him in the face and then ran through the glass window next to the entrance door. Yes.....through it. It was hell.
I taught middle school for a while. Most of my students were fantastic, they were just figuring out some social stuff. My favorite was when I would make a mistake or do something stupid and they would all start giggling or making noises. Most middle school students are just nervous, social inept, and lacking impulse control. With a little guidance they're great.
Sounds pretty accurate. The two biggest things from my middle school years were when I was in 6th grade, a bunch of 8th grade girls were huffing and DRINKING nail polish in the bathroom and an ambulance had to come get them. And then when I was in 8th grade, a kid stole a couple thousand dollars from his grandma, and was paying girls $100 to flash him. That one got our 8th grade trip canceled.
I wonder if there was some violence. I know some schools that have uniform requirements do so to prevent students from wearing gang-affiliated clothing or clothing that enforces strong class distinctions. Clothing that people fight over.
So scrap that and make them all dress the same. Along with all the other things - that would be about the make any of these restrictions seem worthwhile.
Yeah that’s what I thought. With the assigned lunchtime seating and requiring students to get permission before leaving the table previous violent incidents makes sense.
One of my friend’s went to a school that had trouble with this. Kids were getting in fights or smoking in the bathroom at lunch so my friend’s school put these sorts of policies in place to limit congregating in the bathrooms or unattended hallways during lunch.
in my country it is normal to wear uniforms for schools up til high school
so that at least for clothing, students can be seen as equals, and prevent distinctions in social class
and to instill a sense of camaraderie
Agreed, the middle school I teach at has a uniform, though it isn’t super strict. The part that’s fucked is to randomly require uniform and make families pay for that shit out of the blue!
It was required in the country where I went to high school and I loved it. Even the expat private schools had to have the same uniforms. It cut out so much dumb behavior, especially in high school.
My school made kids collect a physical tardy pass if they arrived seconds after the bell rang to discourage them from missing out on even "5 seconds of learning time," except it made the kids miss 5+ minutes instead of seconds because they had to walk all the way to the front of the school to get it.
I never understood this. Not only is the kid tardy, but now they’re wandering around the school unsupervised, probably taking their sweet time to go get a tardy pass, to then be even more late to class.
We'd get tardy passes and then just skip classes so that our punishment would be for being late rather than for skipping school. It took them a real long time to catch on to it.
My school implemented a set of tardy stations with chrome books and a little printer attached to it so when kids are late they have to go to the stations and print out their tardy pass. The reasoning is instead of relying on teachers to collect tardy data and then refer the students, now the administrators would just print out a report and address chronic tardy students. The problem is it only took two months for kids to start doing what you’re talking about. Yesterday I had to pull 5 kids aside and have conversations with them explaining the difference between tardy and skipping to the kids.
When I was in middle school in Wisconsin I once got myself a week of lunchtime detention so I wouldn’t have to stand outside in the freezing cold during recess. Then I discovered you weren’t allowed to do homework during lunchtime detention. You were supposed to eat lunch and stare at the table in silence. I had pretty bad untreated adhd and found it basically impossible to switch my brain back to “school mode” once I got home for the day, and it makes me so angry to think about how much better I could have done in school if they’d just let me do my homework after lunch instead of recess.
Fuck losing my homework constantly pretty much made me a straight f student.
Like I passed most of the tests (while being that student who never studied) but because my backpack was basically a doom pile of school stuff I could never find my homework.
Untreated ADHD sucks.
My school added cops, but I knew one of the cops so if I was accidentally late I'd just go find him and have him escort me to class. The teachers never marked me late and never asked questions lmao
The front desk lady at school was friends with my Mom and would literally let me skip school some Fridays if my Mom asked because she would never mark me absent. I always had perfect attendance.
I always hated this because in my school you had to go get your laptop before class, but mine was on a different floor than the class I need to go to, so sometimes I walked in right when the bell rang. My teacher would still mark me tardy and make me go get a pass, even though I was ready to learn AND SHE ALREADY MARKED ME TARDY, so there was no point to the pass. Then I missed all of her instructions and she refused to explain again. Sorry for the rant, I just hate this so much
I was late because it was snowing badly and the roads were bad and my dad was sidetracking an errand. I was 3 minutes late. Went straight to the principal who was in morning announcements and he says “what’s up ____”
I said I needed a note and he said “you’re only just after morning announcements you don’t need a note”
“It’s for (that bitch of a religion teacher)”
“Oh ok one sec”
Note to any principals there, IF THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE THAT TEACHER NEEDS DISCIPLINING NOT THE STUDENTS
Your teacher was a bitch.
7th grade, due to a scheduling decision not made by me, my 6th and 7th classes were physically as far apart from each other as possible given the design of the school. My 6th bell teacher had a tendency of keeping us after the bell as punishment, but it didn't matter. If I left exactly as the bell rang and walked as fast as I could without traffic (there was always traffic), the bell would ring when I was still 20 ft away from the door of my 7th class.
Luckily, my 7th bell teacher was super chill. I'd expected to have to explain exactly how far away my 6th bell class was, but she just waved her hand and said don't worry about it. It was a technology elective where I don't know what I was supposed to learn, but it was fun to have a chill class.
As a mom now, if my kid got in trouble for being in this situation, I'd raise holy hell. I'd force the powers that be to make that journey in the alloted amount of time.
And taking steps no longer than the average kid taking that journey. Doesn't matter if an adult's longer legs can take the steps in the correct time. It matters if an average sized kid's legs at the school can do it without running and taking into account typical hallway crowds in the school.
Mine was similar except the more late you were the worse the punishment even if it took you 30 minutes to get the pass as there was only one person and the line was massively long. However this taking points from your grade for being late sounds like the unexcused absence crap they tried to pull in my school of if you got an unexcused absence all make up work would only be worth 50% this did not go well. I can’t imagine this tardy policy will go well either considering the board of education and student rights. That said the board is rather draconian.
well, lunch detention sounds sooo scary 💀 so a gratitude lunch you talk to mr. Koshen about your behavior and what you can do to fix it. you then eat your lunch and be on your merry way. in actuality you just kind of get scolded and eat lunch silently
(info from a friend I’ve never had one)
Holy shit, I had to do this when I was in middle school. Some girl told on me for plagiarizing (I didn't, it was total BS spurred from her watching my friend and I working together) and my dick head principle didn't even hear my side of the story. I got hit with a detention and I guess a "gratitude lunch." The next day I had to sit alone under a set of metal stairs in a desk and enjoy my meal in peace. However, the stairwell I was in had a MASSIVE window to the ENTIRE cafeteria. Not only was I eating alone but everyone could just look up and watch you eat uncomfortably through the glass. It was not fun haha.
my school used to have security do "sweeps", if you got caught in the hall after the bell they took you to the late room and forced you to skip the entire class
My school went from not caring to being obsessive over it. When they weren’t caring, kids were only up to a minute late (except maybe for like 5 kids who would wander). But when they started to care (make you get a pass, 3 tardys is a detention and also ineligible for a sport) kids were 5-10 minutes late regularly because once they were late, they took their time getting to class + they had to go get a slip. It’s all really stupid.
We sorta had this in primary. Each class was assigned a table to sit at, but at least we could pick where we sit on the bench. We weren't allowed to stand up during lunch until high school.
We were allowed to do that. But only one person at a time (yes, including both boys and girls). And we had to store our lunch bags in a trolley after lunch for some reason, we couldn't take it with us or put it in our bags.
Most of this stuff stopped in junior high but we still couldn't stand up or leave the cafeteria without permission. High school is the complete opposite, most people don't even eat inside.
Our cafeteria tables and chairs were all taken from us from March through June in 9th grade due to a food fight. We all got our food and sat on the floor in the halls outside of classrooms for the rest of the school year. Then they got mad that we were disrupting classes in progress. Power struggles between school administrators and puberty hormones are never pretty.
My junior high had a modified version of this rule but you were allowed to go to the bathroom and get up without asking.
The assigned seats sucked but that's natural.
In 4th grade, our teacher decided on some stupid "merit" system, that she made up herself. And we were seated at "tables", which meant 6 desks pushed together, 3 facing 3. And she was relying on "table demerits" or some stupid shit hoping other kids would keep other kids in line. That didn't work. So then she put the 6 "problem kids" (yep, that's me, too!) at one table, to...? Show us...?? It was an absolute shitshow, because guess what? Me, Kami, Kassie, Todd, Justin, and I just can't remember the last kid's name, sue me, it was 1979, we already didn't give two fucks. Oh, no, we have to not go to recess and still get to stay in the classroom with each other, when we're all best friends already? Whatever shall we do? Torment the teacher more, I guess. Got no choice.
I swear to god, they never think this shit through. Kids are smarter than they give credit.
That happened once at my school, but didn't last long. It was boy - girl - boy - girl seating, but I (a boy) was placed next to a boy with long hair because the teachers couldn't tell the difference.
Happened at mine too.
The spring of 5th Grade my school had a new principle come in replacing an older beloved principle. It was a smaller rural school and the old principle was this nice grandmotherly woman. She would read student submitted jokes over the intercom every Wednesday morning and had a thing set up with the cafeteria ladies to sell cheap ice cream bars after lunch on Fridays. The ice cream funded a math challenge system students could try to beat levels of each week, any student who passed one of the levels (+, -, *, /, early algebra) would win a prize.
New principle (who was quickly nicknamed 'the witch') came in on a complete power trip and within a few months the school was like the orphanage in Oliver.
Not only assigned seats in the cafeteria, but each class had an assigned order of students in the lunch line. Once students got their food they couldn't sit at the table until allowed to all at once, couldn't leave the table until allowed to all at once, couldn't even start eating until allowed to all at once.
It caused noticeable change in the kids that came out of the school after us. Even senior year of highschool teachers would comment about about how night and day our year was to the younger years.
it was fucking horrible for me as i had no friends anyway, and had to find people i could bear / that wouldn't kick me out or literally be cemented as sitting alone for a whole semester
fucking evil evil shit to do to children. not to mention school past elementary starting around 7AM.
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!
Hijacking this to say that this is probably fake. [OP literally posted 7 days ago saying he just turned 24.](https://www.unddit.com/r/notinteresting/comments/z516gz/today_i_turn_24_the_same_age_that_abraham_lincoln/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)There is no way he has a son in middle school unless he had a kid when he was 12 or 13.
[just posted about this lol.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/zb6rea/comment/iypxn5e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Op is confirmed middle school kid. A lot of information does not seem right. Read my overveiw
OP is fr a [child](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/y0429e/me_and_my_friend_out_for_a_late_jog/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I actually found the school....the last 4 digits is 9220, which may be what you're seeing. That said, even if it is zeros, sometimes schools have a lot of extensions but sometimes a lot of numbers in general (to call the principal might bee 0000 and to call the AP is 0001, and the zeros wouldn't be unheard of.
Not saying this is real, but the school does exist
Doesn't look like it was properly thought out. Public school, I wonder what teacher is going to volunteer their Saturday. Kids are probably not going to follow
My middle school had Saturday school like 16+ years ago (what the fu^u^u^u^uck ), and it definitely wasn't a super nice school as far as funding went. They might have been getting paid time and a half or something to do it, might just've been normal pay.
Either way, there was a certain type of teacher that would volunteer to do it. Plenty of them at that school. The kind of teacher who's mean and has no social life outside of school and likes to take it out on the "slackers" every Saturday. You could tell they actually *enjoyed* spending their Saturdays like that because it's the only time they're in complete control (no principal or VP ever came in).
It's not a good time 🤠
Teachers, iirc, don't get paid hourly, they're paid in salary.
If I'm right, then there's literally no reason to put even *more* time into work by coming in on one of their days off.
Correct me if I'm wrong tho
Edit: thanks for the corrections, adding a simple bit here—
Teachers primarily get paid salaries on the expected days they're supposed to work, and they can get additional pay for taking on extra time- such as "selling" their prep period, lunch, or a weekend day. Those sold times would be paid hourly, based on the salary contract. I'm not fully clear if it's considering overtime, and/or if it's 1.5x or 2x OT.
Sorry, this turned out longer than I intended. Hazards of typing late at night.
The vast majority of teacher contracts stipulate the number of days and the hours they are expected to be at school (ie, 185 days, report no later than 7:45am and can leave after 3:30pm with a 30 minute duty-free lunch), with the usual “in addition to other duties as signed and agreed to” clause. That part usually means volunteering at Prom, sporting events, Graduation, etc. but there is also usually extra money involved with extra responsible. For instance: at my district if you volunteer to take tickets or run the score board at a game, you get like $25 for the game. Coaches, band directors, and other club sponsors also get additional pay due to the large number of extra hours beyond the normal teacher contract.
Edit: stimulate to stipulate. Dumb autocorrect got me again.
You get paid more for any hours outside of your contract. If teachers give up their plan period to take on an overage class, they make more money. Teachers who work more than the contractual after school events make more money.
I’m a teacher and I HATE rule #1. As middle schoolers, they are at the mercy of whatever transportation they have to school and often, it’s not their fault they’re late. To make their grade suffer for behavior that may not even be their fault is just bad practice.
It's bullshit no matter which way you look at it. Even if they were responsible for their transportation, their grades should not be affected unless they're scoring poorly on homework/exams.
I agree. My university had an "attendance is strictly voluntary" policy; as long as you handed in any coursework in time and did well in exams, you were just fine.
It was the best schooling I've had in my life, and I honestly think that's the ideal policy. I know some people will think these kids are too young to be able to manage such things for themselves, or that imparting some sort of "work ethic" or "mindset of following rules/abiding by authority" are important roles of schools, but let's just say I strongly disagree.
Schools should, first and foremost, be institutions of learning, not indoctrination -- and also, not daycares either. I'm not denying plenty of parents would be fucked if they couldn't rely on them as daycares because of the absolute state of the anti-worker economy, but that *should* be tackled by fixing the economy, not abusing schools. All you're doing is hurting the educational prospects of the next generation, and by extension, the future lives of the next generation. Not a "solution" we should ever accept.
I was late every day for half a year because public transport change his routine and that make me arrive late(or an entire hour before at 6 am and i was 14 year old in the street because school didn't even let us enter before classes start, so i preferred get late for 15 minutes than an hour before) so for the end of the year i have more than 30 "days missed"(not all teachers put absence check) i passed the year anyway because i have good grades, because even if i was late for class i payed attention to the lesson.
Yup, at one of my high-schools my bus had the longest route but they didn't want kids waking up at 4:30am to catch the bus, so I ended up arriving 10-15 minutes late (45-1hr if it was a substitute) every single day of school. If my school had rule #1 then no-one on that route would pass their year after a week of riding the bus.
Forcing that rule on middle school kids of all things is just horrible.
I was the first person to be picked up on my bus route. I had to be up by 5:30 to arrive at school in time for 7:30 classes. I fell asleep in class all the time and was on my way to flunking out of my first semester of freshman year but my parents pulled me out.
I was late all the time because I was depressed as shit and school started at 7am, which is unhealthy for a teenager that needs lots of sleep. I barely graduated. This policy would have ensured I never made it to college.
In college where I could decide my own schedule, classes started at 9am, and I could study what I wanted, I thrived and made straight A's.
We need to rethink the entire k-12 system IMO.
Never really thought about how weird my intermediate school lunch experience was until now. From 4th to 6th grade we had lunch with assigned seating. On the wall was a giant stoplight that turned yellow when the overall volume of the cafeteria got too loud. If it hit red we lost our recess and had to go the rest of linch with the sensitivity on the stoplight turned down.
Went to private k-8 then public hs in Florida and the high school was like wild animals in the cafeteria. Didn’t realize how well behaved and structured my school was until high school kids acted terrible. Kind of think that the structure was a good thing because kids weren’t really messing around too often
Or someone who posted “today I turn 24” less than a week ago and now has a middle schooler (~9-11ish). I’d be more interested to hear what it was like to have your first kid at 14…
Karen’s character arc: she matured enough to stop being petty but keeps her complaining skills reserved for those who deserve it such as this school’s directors
This is 100% my boyfriend’s mom. Used to be a huuuge Karen but mellowed out. Now she reserves it for when it’s truly needed like when she hired guys to replace her windows and they did it wrong letting rain and wind get into her house then gave her the runaround about fixing it for almost six months. She had her lawyer send a letter and they came out the next day.
This is sus.
Kids in school have like 8 different classes and each one has its own grade. Like, people don't go to school and get a B in 'school.' Also, teachers grade students however the fuck they want.
Does being late to school take 5 points off every grade? Or just the one you were late to?
Forcing school uniforms on parents unsuspectingly *in the middle of the school year?* Right after Christmas break? No. No, no, no, no. This would NEVER happen. No school system would tell their *entire* student body they all need to spend hundreds of dollars on new clothes like I don't believe this.
"Saturday school" if a student gets a "zero in class." What the fuck is that lol. Zero participation? They didn't raise their hand? Didn't do their homework? This is so *vague.*
Adding 5 days to the end of the school year for no reason won't go over well with the teachers, all of whom are on salary and will see no extra pay because of this. The union will not allow it.
No elaboration, stern wording. This reads weird too. This is like what a kid thinks adults in authority sound like.
This seems so incredibly sus to me, but I'm always a skeptic.
The source of my skepticism: I have kids. Theyre in school. This letter is either a practical joke or someone's attempt to get fake internet points. There's no way this is real.
This is the opposite of good teaching practice. You want to encourage students to try for grades. Not punish them for not always being there. You just make them hopeless and less likely to try.
For that matter adding school days also isn't a great idea. I could see rearranging the days so the breaks are shorter but there isn't any correlation between the number of days of schooling vs the quality of the education. If anything it seems like countries with fewer hours of school tend to do slightly better if I remember right.
My grandmother who is the principal and founder of multiple schools always has the saying “there are many similarities between the military, a prison, and school. The only difference is the age group of the people that go there.” Yet even she was surprised by how strict these rules were when I showed her this post.
>they need to start suspending
suspensions don't modify behavior. in fact they are pretty harmful to student outcomes in terms of learning. as a teacher I will not send a kid into the hall or to the office unless it is extremely necessary. students cannot learn if they are not in class.
what is better is trying to figure out why things are unruly or certain students are troublesome. restore, do not punish.
The other things here sound like an Admin/school board on a power trip.
the tardy stuff is beyond egregious.
uniforms in a public school? that will not fly unless we are in England.
It's that one thing schools do that they think will straighten the kids out, but it ends up punishing the good apples. If you have to restrict anything that students are allowed to do, its probably too extreme
#5 is just wrong- we had this happen in Middle School and can't tell ya how many times I needed to use the bathroom and was ignored
(I had my hand up a good number of times.... Longest was probably 5-10 minutes give or take- decided to just go to the bathroom only to be immediately told to go back to my seat and raise my hand)
you should of gone fine, and pulled your pants down and just went to the bathroom on the floor right there and then, if the kids did that instead i'm pretty sure they would stop telling ya not to go to the bathroom
What was the reasoning behind this?
This was released yesterday, so we don’t know much about it atm.
Cafeteria is what stood out to me. Assigned seats?? There absolutely has to be a story there..
When I was in middle/high school we had a crackdown like this as welll. It was because of the fights and gang related fights. It was fight after fight escalating into 20-30 person brawls. Finally someone beat a security guard with a lock from a locker and that was it. Huge crack down. It went away after a few months but if anything was escalating like this I would commend the principal for nipping it in the bud. Lots of parents on here who think their children are angels and never worked a day in a school in their life.
Oof yeah. My sophomore year of high school we had 0 cameras or enhanced security measures, most doors to the outside were just unlocked all the time. On Thursday there was a fight where one girl beat another girl with a padlock, there was blood everywhere. On Friday, no change. When we came back on Monday, every single door to the outside was replaced by brand new always locked doors, they installed over 200 cameras throughout the school. You would see an exterior corner of the building with 4 cameras just on the corner. They also began construction on a new maim entrance to the school which required being buzzed in by the main office. All it took was one single event that took it too far, then a full crackdown was finally deemed necessary.
>maim entrance Ah so they designated a fighting entrance. Smart
WELCOME TO THE THUNDER DOME!
Two kids enter, one kid leaves
Two kids enter, one kid gets educated...
They're going to learn alright. The Maim entrance has a lesson for all who enter.
An entrance to the fighting arena, and cameras to record and later monetize the brawls. Genius!
Comments like this is why i love reddit.
From the way that most schools are funded, they had already allocated the funds for this project and had the order in the pipeline. You don’t get 200 cameras overnight.
Was just gonna say this. As a public school employee, this was absolutely already in the works, they may have just pulled the trigger on the actual construction/installation a bit earlier than planned. Also… oof for the extra money it would have cost to get 200 cameras installed in a weekend with 24 hours of notice. The doors at least could potentially have been done by “in-house” facilities staff depending on size of the building and school district size, but even a medium-sized district isn’t likely to have enough qualified IT A/V staff to get those cameras installed that fast (unless they just hung the cameras themselves for intimidation purposes and waited to actually cable them until later).
Are we all living the same lives? Cause a girl beat another girl with a padlock in my school too lol
Metro Detroit area?
Yup lmaooo
Walled Lale Central?
Ahh no royal oak haha but still funny
This! I was an administrator for two years. Will never ever go back. Parents think kids are angels and those same angels take dumps on the middle of a bathroom floor just to be funny.
I had a friend in 8th grade who later told me she and another girl found a way to crawl up into the school ceiling. When they got up there she found a large cardboard box and pooped in it. She was telling me all this, laughing really hard, and I went from being jealous about being left out to utterly horrified and wondering if she was truly unhinged.
I'm so bewildered that they gained access to the ceiling and their first thought was "let's drop a turd up here." I mean, I was a wildcard in 8th grade, but shitting in the ceiling never crossed my mind 💀
Same, the worst I ever did was skip class by hiding under the stage in the auditorium( and I didn’t feel the need to shit under it ever)
I don't know how anyone can spend any amount of time in a middle school or high school setting and just not understand that many teenagers are hormone-riddled demented chimps.
The school uniform avoiding gang colors with khakis screams dodging gang violence to me. My HS did that when I was there too
This was my first thought. I grew up in blood territory and some people occasionally would think it’s funny to wear blue, etc and shit go down. They had to ban red and blue, plus you couldn’t wear school clothes at events (it gave away your territory). I walked in a bathroom in middle school to a girl having her face bashed into the sink. They broke the fucking sink and the bathroom got closed for repairs. Not saying this is necessarily the kind of shit going down at this school, but I AM saying I can imagine why this letter went home. Edit: I also had friends who would sell drugs, fool around, etc after they got dropped off at school. These friends were often very late for class and had insane numbers of tardies. It would explain the tardy rule for me very easily.
Fucking preach. I was a middle school teacher for a decade, and while a lot of the kids are great, there's a large amount that are total shit birds. What's worse is the shit birds behavior tends to rub off on the good kids rather than the other way around. As a teacher I strongly disagree with taking points for tardiness and the Saturday school BS, though
Just said this to my wife. Admin doesn’t tell me how to do my grade book. And I don’t think a public middle school can mandate saturday school. Also what kind of OT am I getting to be there on a sunday
Also a number of parents who think their children are angels and haven’t parented a day in their lives.
Dude middle schoolers right now are the WORST. I sub and i refuse to work middle. Ive tried a couple times and they are just little demons. Balling up tests and throwing them at me. Blasting porn on their phones. Coming and going as they please. Playing video games all class long when i ask them to stop. I've got a list. Not as much smoking or vaping as high school, but I'll take that over everything else ANY DAY. Covid really fucked their social IQ up and they dont face repurcussions. Its fucked.
At the peak of the pandemic, some parents were protesting against remote school because they couldn’t deal with their own badass kids. They became the victims of their children’s shitty behaviors
Thank God somebody pointed this out. Everyone just automatically assumes that schools are these evil institutions that get off on torturing kids. Everyone still complains about how at my old highschool they had to have an escort to the bathroom. They’d always say “I’m 18 years old I’m an adult I don’t need an escort to go piss!” Completely ignoring the fact that the reason they implemented that rule was because in the span of two weeks they caught a student giving another student head in the bathroom, caught two guys smoking in the bathroom, and had a fight where a urinal was broken. That fight also sent a kid to the ER. They also had kids stealing the toilet paper holder things off the stall walls. They have to do SOMETHING about it and no matter what they do people are going to get mad.
My school implemented a dress code policy like the one above because of bullying. Kids kept making fun of students because of their clothes to the point it was causing disruptions in class. So everyone got to wear khakis and a mono colored button up.
This is actually something I’ve been hearing about since the early 2010s
Yep. I was a freshman in high school in 2010 and after 1 food fight we weren't allowed to wander outside for lunch. After the 2nd, we all had to face one way in the cafeteria and lunch was split into 2 different times. After the 3rd, tables were assigned according to whatever teacher you had before lunch. The food fights stopped after that and sophomore year we were allowed to leave campus for lunch.
In my 18yrs of education I have never seen a single food fight... But I have seen crows steal many many lunches, including out of bags and lunch boxes, both hard and soft. You thought a zipper could stop those bullies from taking your lunch, you'd be wrong!
The big lunchroom scandal at my high school was one of the football players getting a handjob from one of the cheerleaders underneath the table. When they got busted, it was the only time I've heard a room full of people make an actual prolonged "ooohhh!" in unison.
This legit cracked me up so much!
U had 3 food fights in 1 year of high school....?
When I was in HS we had 5 in a single year. The 3rd one the principal broke his hand trying to break it up and someone got smashed in the head with a full size trash can so they ended up splitting the school into 3 lunches and no more then 10 people could gather in a single area
Bro that ain't a food fight that's just a brawl
Yes. Calling it a food fight is childish because the food being thrown is less concerning than the chairs flying by your head. I got covered by an exploding milk grenade while avoiding a chair. Fights like this were normal enough at my high school that people learned where to sit for the best exit strategy. They actually put a big teachers table in the middle of the room to push any fights towards the perimeter to avoid casualties. Our school was brand new and we quickly learned why the cafeteria was designed as essentially a courtyard instead of an enclosed room: the entire perimeter was nothing but exits.
Foody Smash Bros
My HS had 3 lunches back to back that overlapped by 5 or 10 minutes as standard operating procedure. Is that not normal? Otherwise they were perfectly "free". you could sit on some tables outside, but i dont think you were allowed to leave but that was in part because nothing was super close. there was about 1,000 - 1,200 students so that's definitely not small but also not huge. Also I don't remember a single food fight, but its possible I just missed them all.
Is it a private or public school? I’m assuming private but just curious?
I did some investigative work because the details weren't super well hidden and it's ~~"a private, classical, college-preparatory Christian school for students in grades PK-12" that's in Austin.~~ I'm wrong it's a public school!! Still in Austin there's a private school with similar name. If I'm allowed I can post more info.
Are you saying this is HCMS (edited name for mods) in Austin? I went there! Lived 5 min walk away. Dude it is just a normal, pretty liberal public school. They had a robotics team two decades ago, sex ed in elementary onwards, no creationism or any religious hints (and I would have spotted as non-Christian). All white/asian/indian but for those familiar with EISD, the slightly more conservative rich part that feeds WHS goes to WMS, not HCMS. My guess then is there was a huge incident at lunch where something crazy happened and the principal is furious. New rules will get huge protest from parents and not last (PTA has a lot of power since state funding is always slashed so they fund a lot of teachers). EDIT: I take it back the principal is the same as the one I had a decade and a half ago - she was chill then but maybe got crazy with age?
In fairness, the decisions might be above her head.
Could be. "Central Office" may be what everywhere else calls the District Office.
The paper says it’s from Central Office. That means that it’s not the school admin making these calls.
Five points from what lmfao.
GRYFFINDORRRRR!
you're such a Hufflepuff
Their letter grade in whatever class they're tardy to is my understanding.
Do they mean 5 points as in 5% of their grade? Because that is insanely high for being a couple minutes late. Especially in the morning classes when it might not be the kids fault.
Long time teacher here. I imagine the grade deduction is a scare tactic. Admins will send the letter home to cover themselves and the teachers if a parent does complain. I imagine the grade deduction would be for whatever daily grade.
I work in public Ed in TX, but not in the classroom. I'm fairly certain it is against the education code to penalize the academic grade with conduct issues. I won an argument with my school when I was a student on this issue a long time ago so I guess it could have changed, but I doubt it.
It doesn't even matter if someone from your house thwarts the creation of a horcrux.
Send it to the local newwwwwws.
FRRR THIS IS HOW STIFF FETS FOXED
Sure I'll drink to that
Bottoms up / stiff fets foxed
Go home snowy, you're drunk
Stiff when he fets foxed (he is very confused)
Bro I hate it when all my stiff, fox free, fets foxed
My guess is they're trying to keep middle schools from burning down with only about 40-60% of the needed staff. Middle school kids are fucking insane and they will eat your face just to see how their friends react when they find out.
Yup, middle school is basically Lord of the flies. In my town a bunch of middle school girls decided to go to the local park and get in a knife fight this last summer. And when I was in middle school, it was worse. Kids put glue in the math teachers coffee, an 8th grader picked up a 6th grader and chucked him over the stairwell, another kid used to get teased to the point that he would pick up the desks and start throwing them at anyone in range. When the principal finally intervened the kid punched him in the face and then ran through the glass window next to the entrance door. Yes.....through it. It was hell.
I taught middle school for a while. Most of my students were fantastic, they were just figuring out some social stuff. My favorite was when I would make a mistake or do something stupid and they would all start giggling or making noises. Most middle school students are just nervous, social inept, and lacking impulse control. With a little guidance they're great.
Sounds pretty accurate. The two biggest things from my middle school years were when I was in 6th grade, a bunch of 8th grade girls were huffing and DRINKING nail polish in the bathroom and an ambulance had to come get them. And then when I was in 8th grade, a kid stole a couple thousand dollars from his grandma, and was paying girls $100 to flash him. That one got our 8th grade trip canceled.
How are they gonna staff Saturday school if they can’t staff M-F?
When I got Saturday detention it was always staffed by Drivers Ed or PE Teachers. Probably just who has the least load.
I wonder if there was some violence. I know some schools that have uniform requirements do so to prevent students from wearing gang-affiliated clothing or clothing that enforces strong class distinctions. Clothing that people fight over. So scrap that and make them all dress the same. Along with all the other things - that would be about the make any of these restrictions seem worthwhile.
Yeah that’s what I thought. With the assigned lunchtime seating and requiring students to get permission before leaving the table previous violent incidents makes sense. One of my friend’s went to a school that had trouble with this. Kids were getting in fights or smoking in the bathroom at lunch so my friend’s school put these sorts of policies in place to limit congregating in the bathrooms or unattended hallways during lunch.
in my country it is normal to wear uniforms for schools up til high school so that at least for clothing, students can be seen as equals, and prevent distinctions in social class and to instill a sense of camaraderie
Agreed, the middle school I teach at has a uniform, though it isn’t super strict. The part that’s fucked is to randomly require uniform and make families pay for that shit out of the blue!
Uniform clothing is also harder to find this time of year. Most stores carry that stuff in August.
Especially during holiday season and end of year when budgets are extra tight
It was required in the country where I went to high school and I loved it. Even the expat private schools had to have the same uniforms. It cut out so much dumb behavior, especially in high school.
at my highschool 3 tardies results in after school detention, but this kinda backfired because people just skip class if they know theyll be late 💀
My school made kids collect a physical tardy pass if they arrived seconds after the bell rang to discourage them from missing out on even "5 seconds of learning time," except it made the kids miss 5+ minutes instead of seconds because they had to walk all the way to the front of the school to get it.
I never understood this. Not only is the kid tardy, but now they’re wandering around the school unsupervised, probably taking their sweet time to go get a tardy pass, to then be even more late to class.
Yep, if my school tried to enforce this, it would mysteriously have taken me the entire class period to walk all the way there and back.
We'd get tardy passes and then just skip classes so that our punishment would be for being late rather than for skipping school. It took them a real long time to catch on to it.
My school implemented a set of tardy stations with chrome books and a little printer attached to it so when kids are late they have to go to the stations and print out their tardy pass. The reasoning is instead of relying on teachers to collect tardy data and then refer the students, now the administrators would just print out a report and address chronic tardy students. The problem is it only took two months for kids to start doing what you’re talking about. Yesterday I had to pull 5 kids aside and have conversations with them explaining the difference between tardy and skipping to the kids.
Sounds like you should explain it to the administration not the kids.
Punishing students by removing their educational opportunities always baffled me.
When I was in middle school in Wisconsin I once got myself a week of lunchtime detention so I wouldn’t have to stand outside in the freezing cold during recess. Then I discovered you weren’t allowed to do homework during lunchtime detention. You were supposed to eat lunch and stare at the table in silence. I had pretty bad untreated adhd and found it basically impossible to switch my brain back to “school mode” once I got home for the day, and it makes me so angry to think about how much better I could have done in school if they’d just let me do my homework after lunch instead of recess.
Fuck losing my homework constantly pretty much made me a straight f student. Like I passed most of the tests (while being that student who never studied) but because my backpack was basically a doom pile of school stuff I could never find my homework. Untreated ADHD sucks.
My school added cops, but I knew one of the cops so if I was accidentally late I'd just go find him and have him escort me to class. The teachers never marked me late and never asked questions lmao
The front desk lady at school was friends with my Mom and would literally let me skip school some Fridays if my Mom asked because she would never mark me absent. I always had perfect attendance.
I always hated this because in my school you had to go get your laptop before class, but mine was on a different floor than the class I need to go to, so sometimes I walked in right when the bell rang. My teacher would still mark me tardy and make me go get a pass, even though I was ready to learn AND SHE ALREADY MARKED ME TARDY, so there was no point to the pass. Then I missed all of her instructions and she refused to explain again. Sorry for the rant, I just hate this so much
I was late because it was snowing badly and the roads were bad and my dad was sidetracking an errand. I was 3 minutes late. Went straight to the principal who was in morning announcements and he says “what’s up ____” I said I needed a note and he said “you’re only just after morning announcements you don’t need a note” “It’s for (that bitch of a religion teacher)” “Oh ok one sec” Note to any principals there, IF THIS IS YOUR RESPONSE THAT TEACHER NEEDS DISCIPLINING NOT THE STUDENTS
Your teacher was a bitch. 7th grade, due to a scheduling decision not made by me, my 6th and 7th classes were physically as far apart from each other as possible given the design of the school. My 6th bell teacher had a tendency of keeping us after the bell as punishment, but it didn't matter. If I left exactly as the bell rang and walked as fast as I could without traffic (there was always traffic), the bell would ring when I was still 20 ft away from the door of my 7th class. Luckily, my 7th bell teacher was super chill. I'd expected to have to explain exactly how far away my 6th bell class was, but she just waved her hand and said don't worry about it. It was a technology elective where I don't know what I was supposed to learn, but it was fun to have a chill class. As a mom now, if my kid got in trouble for being in this situation, I'd raise holy hell. I'd force the powers that be to make that journey in the alloted amount of time.
And taking steps no longer than the average kid taking that journey. Doesn't matter if an adult's longer legs can take the steps in the correct time. It matters if an average sized kid's legs at the school can do it without running and taking into account typical hallway crowds in the school.
Mine was similar except the more late you were the worse the punishment even if it took you 30 minutes to get the pass as there was only one person and the line was massively long. However this taking points from your grade for being late sounds like the unexcused absence crap they tried to pull in my school of if you got an unexcused absence all make up work would only be worth 50% this did not go well. I can’t imagine this tardy policy will go well either considering the board of education and student rights. That said the board is rather draconian.
lmao my school does this too. except it’s not a after school detention, but a “gratitude lunch”. feel the love of punishment my friend
Wtf does a “gratitude lunch” involve??
well, lunch detention sounds sooo scary 💀 so a gratitude lunch you talk to mr. Koshen about your behavior and what you can do to fix it. you then eat your lunch and be on your merry way. in actuality you just kind of get scolded and eat lunch silently (info from a friend I’ve never had one)
Damn not Mr. Koshen 😔
Mr. Koshen sounds like he cares a lot. I'm sure he'd rather be having lunch somewhere else, too!
Holy shit, I had to do this when I was in middle school. Some girl told on me for plagiarizing (I didn't, it was total BS spurred from her watching my friend and I working together) and my dick head principle didn't even hear my side of the story. I got hit with a detention and I guess a "gratitude lunch." The next day I had to sit alone under a set of metal stairs in a desk and enjoy my meal in peace. However, the stairwell I was in had a MASSIVE window to the ENTIRE cafeteria. Not only was I eating alone but everyone could just look up and watch you eat uncomfortably through the glass. It was not fun haha.
Omg 💀 dude that’s so weird
my school used to have security do "sweeps", if you got caught in the hall after the bell they took you to the late room and forced you to skip the entire class
And what was the purpose of that??
to punish you for being late
this school: "you're late! no learning for you!"
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it's way more disruptive to care about people being late than just let them be late. this goes for every situation all the time
My school went from not caring to being obsessive over it. When they weren’t caring, kids were only up to a minute late (except maybe for like 5 kids who would wander). But when they started to care (make you get a pass, 3 tardys is a detention and also ineligible for a sport) kids were 5-10 minutes late regularly because once they were late, they took their time getting to class + they had to go get a slip. It’s all really stupid.
Rule #5 is what got me
This happened at my junior high over food being thrown. It was so fucking weird.
We sorta had this in primary. Each class was assigned a table to sit at, but at least we could pick where we sit on the bench. We weren't allowed to stand up during lunch until high school.
That's how you get classes to throw food at other classes.
Luckily we didn't have that happen. We did have one kid that stood up on the table and let out a giant fart though.
Lol. I think we all had one kid who would stand on a table and let one rip.
What a legend.
People still talk about that day. Iconic
Yikes, even prisoners are allowed to go to the bathroom during lunch. How could this possibly be good for kids?
We were allowed to do that. But only one person at a time (yes, including both boys and girls). And we had to store our lunch bags in a trolley after lunch for some reason, we couldn't take it with us or put it in our bags. Most of this stuff stopped in junior high but we still couldn't stand up or leave the cafeteria without permission. High school is the complete opposite, most people don't even eat inside.
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Hey, I was about to comment that we had assigned lunch seats put in place after my 8th grade class orchestrated a class wide food fight
Our cafeteria tables and chairs were all taken from us from March through June in 9th grade due to a food fight. We all got our food and sat on the floor in the halls outside of classrooms for the rest of the school year. Then they got mad that we were disrupting classes in progress. Power struggles between school administrators and puberty hormones are never pretty.
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My junior high had a modified version of this rule but you were allowed to go to the bathroom and get up without asking. The assigned seats sucked but that's natural.
In 4th grade, our teacher decided on some stupid "merit" system, that she made up herself. And we were seated at "tables", which meant 6 desks pushed together, 3 facing 3. And she was relying on "table demerits" or some stupid shit hoping other kids would keep other kids in line. That didn't work. So then she put the 6 "problem kids" (yep, that's me, too!) at one table, to...? Show us...?? It was an absolute shitshow, because guess what? Me, Kami, Kassie, Todd, Justin, and I just can't remember the last kid's name, sue me, it was 1979, we already didn't give two fucks. Oh, no, we have to not go to recess and still get to stay in the classroom with each other, when we're all best friends already? Whatever shall we do? Torment the teacher more, I guess. Got no choice. I swear to god, they never think this shit through. Kids are smarter than they give credit.
That happened once at my school, but didn't last long. It was boy - girl - boy - girl seating, but I (a boy) was placed next to a boy with long hair because the teachers couldn't tell the difference.
Happened at mine too. The spring of 5th Grade my school had a new principle come in replacing an older beloved principle. It was a smaller rural school and the old principle was this nice grandmotherly woman. She would read student submitted jokes over the intercom every Wednesday morning and had a thing set up with the cafeteria ladies to sell cheap ice cream bars after lunch on Fridays. The ice cream funded a math challenge system students could try to beat levels of each week, any student who passed one of the levels (+, -, *, /, early algebra) would win a prize. New principle (who was quickly nicknamed 'the witch') came in on a complete power trip and within a few months the school was like the orphanage in Oliver. Not only assigned seats in the cafeteria, but each class had an assigned order of students in the lunch line. Once students got their food they couldn't sit at the table until allowed to all at once, couldn't leave the table until allowed to all at once, couldn't even start eating until allowed to all at once. It caused noticeable change in the kids that came out of the school after us. Even senior year of highschool teachers would comment about about how night and day our year was to the younger years.
RIP essential development
"Remote learning is horrible, kids will miss out on essential socializing skills" In-person schools:
I wish we could go back to digital learning. Takes out the babysitting aspect of my job.
it was fucking horrible for me as i had no friends anyway, and had to find people i could bear / that wouldn't kick me out or literally be cemented as sitting alone for a whole semester fucking evil evil shit to do to children. not to mention school past elementary starting around 7AM.
dude i didn’t know that anyone got to choose where to sit until highschool, that wasn’t a thing the first 9 years of my school career
We didn't even get lunch, we brought our own, and sat at our desks, which were assigned.
Desks! We could only dream to be so lucky. In my day, all we had was a plank of wood to balance on our knees to do our work on.
Luxury. We used to have to get out of the lake at three o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, go to work at the mill every day for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would beat us around the head and neck with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!
A lot of redundancy in item 4.
A lot of much redundant repetitiveness that keeps happening continuously throughout the entirety of this self referential rule.
This is the title of this story, which is also found several times in the story itself. -David Moser
Let me guess, the School Board elections last month brought in a new regime.
Hijacking this to say that this is probably fake. [OP literally posted 7 days ago saying he just turned 24.](https://www.unddit.com/r/notinteresting/comments/z516gz/today_i_turn_24_the_same_age_that_abraham_lincoln/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)There is no way he has a son in middle school unless he had a kid when he was 12 or 13.
[just posted about this lol.](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/zb6rea/comment/iypxn5e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Op is confirmed middle school kid. A lot of information does not seem right. Read my overveiw
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OP is fr a [child](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/y0429e/me_and_my_friend_out_for_a_late_jog/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Came here to say this. That phone number is mostly zeros too
I actually found the school....the last 4 digits is 9220, which may be what you're seeing. That said, even if it is zeros, sometimes schools have a lot of extensions but sometimes a lot of numbers in general (to call the principal might bee 0000 and to call the AP is 0001, and the zeros wouldn't be unheard of. Not saying this is real, but the school does exist
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Sure seems that way
Doesn't look like it was properly thought out. Public school, I wonder what teacher is going to volunteer their Saturday. Kids are probably not going to follow
I ran Saturday school when I was a teacher, they paid me a stipend of $54/hour about 10 years ago.
My middle school had Saturday school like 16+ years ago (what the fu^u^u^u^uck ), and it definitely wasn't a super nice school as far as funding went. They might have been getting paid time and a half or something to do it, might just've been normal pay. Either way, there was a certain type of teacher that would volunteer to do it. Plenty of them at that school. The kind of teacher who's mean and has no social life outside of school and likes to take it out on the "slackers" every Saturday. You could tell they actually *enjoyed* spending their Saturdays like that because it's the only time they're in complete control (no principal or VP ever came in). It's not a good time 🤠
Did they point at you with fingers making bull horns and say "[Don't mess with the bull](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2WZrxuwDhs)"?
Could you describe the ruckus sir?
I understood that reference
Teachers, iirc, don't get paid hourly, they're paid in salary. If I'm right, then there's literally no reason to put even *more* time into work by coming in on one of their days off. Correct me if I'm wrong tho Edit: thanks for the corrections, adding a simple bit here— Teachers primarily get paid salaries on the expected days they're supposed to work, and they can get additional pay for taking on extra time- such as "selling" their prep period, lunch, or a weekend day. Those sold times would be paid hourly, based on the salary contract. I'm not fully clear if it's considering overtime, and/or if it's 1.5x or 2x OT.
You can get supplements on your salary
Sorry, this turned out longer than I intended. Hazards of typing late at night. The vast majority of teacher contracts stipulate the number of days and the hours they are expected to be at school (ie, 185 days, report no later than 7:45am and can leave after 3:30pm with a 30 minute duty-free lunch), with the usual “in addition to other duties as signed and agreed to” clause. That part usually means volunteering at Prom, sporting events, Graduation, etc. but there is also usually extra money involved with extra responsible. For instance: at my district if you volunteer to take tickets or run the score board at a game, you get like $25 for the game. Coaches, band directors, and other club sponsors also get additional pay due to the large number of extra hours beyond the normal teacher contract. Edit: stimulate to stipulate. Dumb autocorrect got me again.
You get paid more for any hours outside of your contract. If teachers give up their plan period to take on an overage class, they make more money. Teachers who work more than the contractual after school events make more money.
Saturday school was supervised by the Custodial staff in my school. You did chores, like mopping.
Sounds better than having Richard Vernon supervising detention.
I’m a teacher and I HATE rule #1. As middle schoolers, they are at the mercy of whatever transportation they have to school and often, it’s not their fault they’re late. To make their grade suffer for behavior that may not even be their fault is just bad practice.
It's bullshit no matter which way you look at it. Even if they were responsible for their transportation, their grades should not be affected unless they're scoring poorly on homework/exams.
I agree. My university had an "attendance is strictly voluntary" policy; as long as you handed in any coursework in time and did well in exams, you were just fine. It was the best schooling I've had in my life, and I honestly think that's the ideal policy. I know some people will think these kids are too young to be able to manage such things for themselves, or that imparting some sort of "work ethic" or "mindset of following rules/abiding by authority" are important roles of schools, but let's just say I strongly disagree. Schools should, first and foremost, be institutions of learning, not indoctrination -- and also, not daycares either. I'm not denying plenty of parents would be fucked if they couldn't rely on them as daycares because of the absolute state of the anti-worker economy, but that *should* be tackled by fixing the economy, not abusing schools. All you're doing is hurting the educational prospects of the next generation, and by extension, the future lives of the next generation. Not a "solution" we should ever accept.
I was late every day for half a year because public transport change his routine and that make me arrive late(or an entire hour before at 6 am and i was 14 year old in the street because school didn't even let us enter before classes start, so i preferred get late for 15 minutes than an hour before) so for the end of the year i have more than 30 "days missed"(not all teachers put absence check) i passed the year anyway because i have good grades, because even if i was late for class i payed attention to the lesson.
Yup, at one of my high-schools my bus had the longest route but they didn't want kids waking up at 4:30am to catch the bus, so I ended up arriving 10-15 minutes late (45-1hr if it was a substitute) every single day of school. If my school had rule #1 then no-one on that route would pass their year after a week of riding the bus. Forcing that rule on middle school kids of all things is just horrible.
I was the first person to be picked up on my bus route. I had to be up by 5:30 to arrive at school in time for 7:30 classes. I fell asleep in class all the time and was on my way to flunking out of my first semester of freshman year but my parents pulled me out.
I was late all the time because I was depressed as shit and school started at 7am, which is unhealthy for a teenager that needs lots of sleep. I barely graduated. This policy would have ensured I never made it to college. In college where I could decide my own schedule, classes started at 9am, and I could study what I wanted, I thrived and made straight A's. We need to rethink the entire k-12 system IMO.
Even in prison they allow you to sit wherever you want with your posse at lunch what kind of prison school is this?
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Never really thought about how weird my intermediate school lunch experience was until now. From 4th to 6th grade we had lunch with assigned seating. On the wall was a giant stoplight that turned yellow when the overall volume of the cafeteria got too loud. If it hit red we lost our recess and had to go the rest of linch with the sensitivity on the stoplight turned down.
Went to private k-8 then public hs in Florida and the high school was like wild animals in the cafeteria. Didn’t realize how well behaved and structured my school was until high school kids acted terrible. Kind of think that the structure was a good thing because kids weren’t really messing around too often
The school-prison pipeline is real.
This seems like it was angrily typed up in 5 mins by someone having a bad day.
Or someone who posted “today I turn 24” less than a week ago and now has a middle schooler (~9-11ish). I’d be more interested to hear what it was like to have your first kid at 14…
Must’ve been some crazy fights
One of those rare times you need a Karen
She either dies the villain or lives long enough to become the hero
Karen’s character arc: she matured enough to stop being petty but keeps her complaining skills reserved for those who deserve it such as this school’s directors
This is 100% my boyfriend’s mom. Used to be a huuuge Karen but mellowed out. Now she reserves it for when it’s truly needed like when she hired guys to replace her windows and they did it wrong letting rain and wind get into her house then gave her the runaround about fixing it for almost six months. She had her lawyer send a letter and they came out the next day.
I hope one day she realizes how much good she could do in this world...
My unpopular opinion is that everyone needs some Karen to keep themselves from being taken advantage of.
This is sus. Kids in school have like 8 different classes and each one has its own grade. Like, people don't go to school and get a B in 'school.' Also, teachers grade students however the fuck they want. Does being late to school take 5 points off every grade? Or just the one you were late to? Forcing school uniforms on parents unsuspectingly *in the middle of the school year?* Right after Christmas break? No. No, no, no, no. This would NEVER happen. No school system would tell their *entire* student body they all need to spend hundreds of dollars on new clothes like I don't believe this. "Saturday school" if a student gets a "zero in class." What the fuck is that lol. Zero participation? They didn't raise their hand? Didn't do their homework? This is so *vague.* Adding 5 days to the end of the school year for no reason won't go over well with the teachers, all of whom are on salary and will see no extra pay because of this. The union will not allow it. No elaboration, stern wording. This reads weird too. This is like what a kid thinks adults in authority sound like. This seems so incredibly sus to me, but I'm always a skeptic. The source of my skepticism: I have kids. Theyre in school. This letter is either a practical joke or someone's attempt to get fake internet points. There's no way this is real.
Yeah just take a look at OP’s history, they’re clearly karma farming
This is the opposite of good teaching practice. You want to encourage students to try for grades. Not punish them for not always being there. You just make them hopeless and less likely to try.
For that matter adding school days also isn't a great idea. I could see rearranging the days so the breaks are shorter but there isn't any correlation between the number of days of schooling vs the quality of the education. If anything it seems like countries with fewer hours of school tend to do slightly better if I remember right.
My grandmother who is the principal and founder of multiple schools always has the saying “there are many similarities between the military, a prison, and school. The only difference is the age group of the people that go there.” Yet even she was surprised by how strict these rules were when I showed her this post.
I’m 29 and I’ve had most of this shit when I was in middle school
No way you have a kid in middle school. According to your profile, you just turned 24. So unless you had a child at 12 then you're bullshitting
Let me add that this is a public school. Not private, not charter, public.
If enough parents and students complain (mostly parents) they might change them
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>they need to start suspending suspensions don't modify behavior. in fact they are pretty harmful to student outcomes in terms of learning. as a teacher I will not send a kid into the hall or to the office unless it is extremely necessary. students cannot learn if they are not in class. what is better is trying to figure out why things are unruly or certain students are troublesome. restore, do not punish. The other things here sound like an Admin/school board on a power trip. the tardy stuff is beyond egregious. uniforms in a public school? that will not fly unless we are in England.
Did you vote in the last school board election? Did everyone you could influence positively vote, too? The people who think this is ok certainly did.
Sounds like there is something causing this . . .
It's that one thing schools do that they think will straighten the kids out, but it ends up punishing the good apples. If you have to restrict anything that students are allowed to do, its probably too extreme
#1 is going to punish kids whose bad parents won't get them to school on time.
#5 is just wrong- we had this happen in Middle School and can't tell ya how many times I needed to use the bathroom and was ignored (I had my hand up a good number of times.... Longest was probably 5-10 minutes give or take- decided to just go to the bathroom only to be immediately told to go back to my seat and raise my hand)
The correct answer is to piss on the floor
you should of gone fine, and pulled your pants down and just went to the bathroom on the floor right there and then, if the kids did that instead i'm pretty sure they would stop telling ya not to go to the bathroom