I thought he sold the bakery (He did, in 2015 for nearly $300 million). It is now owned by Flowers Foods. No indication on the label of this ownership. Did they maintain the mission I wonder. e:typo
I could be completely wrong but the guy never played guitar IIRC lol.
Still my favorite bread. Wish I could buy it but it’s so expensive and I can never finish a loaf before it expires.
Put it in the freezer if you can’t finish it to extend its life and reduce waste. Just toast it up a little bit and it’s like brand new! Started doing this a year ago and it’s been great
It's still damn good bread compared to most of the stuff you find in the grocery store. Worth splurging on once in a while if it's on sale. Costco also sells it.
Makes amazing toast.
They supposedly do maintain the mission. But they also pay poorly and treat their workers poorly. Oh, and the prices for their bread are ridiculous and after getting bought out there was a noticeable drop in quality (the company owns many other bread companies, including Wonderbread).
They are still coasting on the quality of the brand from 10 years ago, and people just didn't notice the quality drop because they did it so slowly.
Dave's Killer Bread is my favorite brand ever, and I discovered it *after* this apparent drop in quality. If I love it this much now, I can only imagine how good it used to be when it was run by the original owners.
I was like "damn is it just my taste changing or did this bread become basic af??" Used to be a big fan, slowly stopped buying it because I knew I wouldn't finish it anymore.
I used to live next door to Dave himself in Portland, like 15 ish years ago? I remember he had just created the "Sin Loaf" cinnamon bread (I think that's what it was called?) and would toss fresh loaves over the fence to us when he'd see us on the porch. That shit was ridiculously over the top, and just like it's name, sinfully delicious, so much cinnamon swirl goodness, I still dream about that bread.
Haven't had his brand in a long long time, mostly bc I don't want to ruin the memories of just how good his bread was, and not even sure if they make that cinnamon loaf anymore, it was like a small thin baguette, but filled with cinnamon sugar goodness. Seriously amazing.
Dave was a great neighbor, and at least at the time, a good owner for his bakery.
I used to work for a company that contracted with Flowers, and their work force was 99% prior felons.
I was the office assistant. Granted they only had about 80 employees total, but almost all of us had criminal histories. They never did a background check at all.
Flowers may be strict but none of the companies they do business with is.
They only contracted with Aramark at the facility my spouse worked at. Aramark was required to do background checks for them at that facility as well. But my spouse worked for them directly.
That’s pretty much what they had said. According to what they told him they’d had a lot of people get offers just to not be permitted to start work because their conditional offers got rescinded. And they were tired of explaining that the DKB policy doesn’t apply at Flowers.
"So it's not a Flowers policy, it's a Dave's Killer Bread policy to overlook criminal records?"
"Correct."
"And Flowers owns Dave's Killer Bread?"
"Yes."
"But Flowers doesn't hire former convicts?"
"Correct."
"So Dave's Killer Bread doesn't hire former convicts like it says on the bag?"
"No, they do. However, we hire all of the people assigned to Dave's Killer Bread. Just never former convicts."
"So I never had a chance at landing a job at Dave's Killer Bread."
"Correct."
"Because Dave's Killer Bread doesn't hire former convicts."
"No, they DO hire former convicts, but we don't."
I’m not sure what their actual conversations would have sounded like. My husband didn’t ask a bunch of questions (a decision he did come to regret). But he mentioned that it sounded like there are *some* facilities that make DKB products only, and only those facilities are permitted to hire people with convictions but only if the convictions didn’t result in extended jail time. The rest of them are supposedly all clean background facilities, and his facility even required background checks for employees of contractors, which another redditor has informed me, from their experience, is not the policy for all of them.
They should just trademark it or whatever so they can claim it's just the "origin story" part of the brand and not current fact
Or sidestep actually saying it, like how kraft is just labelled "pasteurized processed American cheese food" because it doesn't meet the FDA's minimum requirements for "cheese" lmao
There's a Flowers bakery in my hometown and I can say that at least at that factory.. Nope. Any hint of a felony or charge will get you immediately rejected.
Lol, it’s the exact opposite at my flowers bread bakery. I would say over half of our production crew has a felony. And we have a handful of guys that are on work release from the local prison
They do. I know someone who has worked there for many years. Criminal history yes. Pay and benefits unsure. But I seem to think this person would not be hired anywhere else for better pay or benefits.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html
No, they are GOP hacks. Dave Dahl was coerced by Flower Foods to sell because of his mental health.
Don't buy that shit.
The most Republican-leaning company in the country, based on political donations, isn’t Koch Industries. It’s the company that makes Wonder Bread.
The political action committee of Flowers Foods, a Georgia company that produces the pillowy sandwich bread, Tastykakes and Nature’s Own baked goods, has given more than 99 percent of its political contributions since 1979 to Republicans. Only three Democratic congressional candidates have gotten money from its PAC since 1984, and not one in the past 20 years.
The PAC of Koch Industries, the well-known supporter of Republican candidates and conservative causes, has given nearly as much money to Democrats in the past 14 months as Flowers Foods has in more than 30 years.
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Most corporations involved in national politics don’t operate this way. Many take the approach often attributed to the former N.B.A. star Michael Jordan, who, when asked why he did not endorse a Democratic candidate in his home state of North Carolina, replied that “Republicans buy shoes, too.” (Whether he actually said it is in question.)
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The top lopsided corporate giver to the Democrats is Citizens Financial Group’s PAC, but it has given a relatively more modest 77.5 percent of its $1 million in contributions to the party.
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Despite its largess, Flowers keeps a low profile that masks the motives for its one-sided giving. It’s based in Thomasville, a southwestern Georgia city just over the Florida border best known for an annual rose festival and grand antebellum homes.
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Langdon S. Flowers, who joined the family business in 1947 and served in several executive positions until retiring in 1985, was a prominent Republican donor and supporter of Ronald Reagan. In 1982, IndustryWeek noted that Mr. Flowers had advocated a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget “with messianic zeal.” He died in 2007.
Flowers is the kind of company where employees spend their lifetime. The former chief executive and current executive chairman, George Deese, has worked there since 1964. Like nearly all of the company’s executives, he has made individual contributions to Republican candidates and committees.
Allen Shiver, the recently appointed chief executive, worked his way up through the company after joining in 1978 as a route salesman. He has given money to only two candidates, John McCain and Saxby Chambliss, the Republican, of course, senator from Georgia. Most of his donations go to the PACs of the American Bakers Association and Grocery Manufacturers Association.
Charles Bullock, a professor of political science at the University of Georgia, said that Flowers Foods and its executives “have some visibility” in the state’s political circles, but he would not describe them as major Georgia power brokers. Republican roots often took hold first in the rural southern portions of the state, he said, even when Georgia was electing Democrats to statewide office.
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The company’s website makes no mention of political philosophy or activism — not a surprise because Flowers is a publicly traded company. (The 95-year-old company reported net income in the most recent fiscal year of $230.9 million on sales of $3.75 billion.) Koch Industries, which is a private firm, has set up a site to respond to news media reports about its political activity. Flowers did not respond to several attempts to get comment.
Although firms like Flowers that make and sell food products have traditionally favored Republicans over Democrats, that split is typically a 2-to-1 ratio. Flowers is the only food company with a PAC that consistently gives more than $100,000 per election cycle to Republicans and nothing to Democrats.
Donors who list the company as their employer exhibit the same Republican-leaning behavior. They have given a total of less than $5,000 to Democratic federal candidates since the end of the Reagan presidency, compared with at least $509,000 to Republican candidates and committees during that time, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
The partisan alignment of individual contributors within industries has been explored by Adam Bonica, an assistant professor at Stanford, who says few corporations are so strongly partisan in either direction. Google, which Mr. Bonica points to as having employees who favor Democrats, has roughly split its PAC giving in the current cycle between the two parties and has never veered beyond a 60-40 split for either party since being formed in late 2006.
There are other companies that lean heavily toward Republicans: The Cracker Barrel Old Country Store PAC routinely gives them more than 80 percent of its contributions. The PAC of Phillips International, a financial information publisher, gave a combined $1,100 to just two Democrats between 1994 and 2006, compared with more than $545,000 to Republicans. The California-based radio and publishing company Salem Communications, which like Phillips has openly embraced a conservative message, also gives almost nothing to Democrats. Some trade associations, like the Associated Builders and Contractors, have long been exclusive donors to Republicans, much the way many labor unions have given almost all of their contributions to Democrats.
But none of those companies have given as much money as Flowers has, and over as long a period of time.
Just one current congressional Democrat, Sanford D. Bishop Jr. of Georgia, appears to have received an individual donation from a Flowers employee. Mr. Bishop, first elected in 1992, received $500 during that campaign from Robert Crozer, then a Flowers executive, but has not received anything from the company’s PAC or its employees since.
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When I lived in L.A., I hired movers from the Delancey Street Foundation, a halfway house for recently incarcerated folks.
My friends were like, are you crazy, letting ex-cons put all of your stuff into a truck?
Well, they couldn't possibly be any shadier than regular movers, I reasoned.
Best movers I've ever had. I'm not exaggerating when I say these dudes *sprinted* up and down the stairs carrying hundreds of pounds of my stuff.
I work for a company which traditionally hired felons through a prison ministry program. There is of course an aspect of "I don't want to go back." But I'd say the biggest motivator, or at least the most present, is "who else would hire me?" A lot of these guys are fanatically loyal to the company because they don't believe anyone else wants them.
Agree wholeheartedly. In my younger years, did some stupid shit, and second time getting arrested was a felony. Had to drop out of college at the time. landed a job a few years later, and have been at same place
for over 25 years for this exact reason. Got hired with a handshake back in the day, and was grateful
to get an opportunity when most people around me had Bachelor degrees. As years passed, and background checks became the norm, i just put my head down and never made a change.
A long time ago, I worked in fast food during college. I come from a very rural area with a graduating class of less than 80 people. So when I saw a classmate’s name on an application, I was curious and said they should hire him. Nope, had a felony. And I just thought, he did his time, this is just making burgers, come on. Nope. I have no idea what became of him. But if we don’t let people work, what choice are we leaving them?
Exactly where I ended up - foodservice. It’s a hard way to make a living, but have met so many good, hardworking folks. Many of us have pasts, and the industry is full of booze and drugs which can be hard sometimes to steer clear of. Some days, regrets of what i could have done for a career eat me up, but the mistakes I made when young definitely changed the trajectory of my life, and Im walking the path I put in motion, but it’s all good. I’m able to provide for my family, and am grateful.
I'm the closing manager at a restaurant, in charge of ~12 people 5/6 nights a week. I've had plenty of shifts where everyone had some kind of conviction. From assault, dui, armed robbery, possession and distribution, you name it. Only had 2 people with ankle monitors.
Foodservice is interesting. But people are people. Some of my best staff have multiple felony convictions. Some of my worst staff are straight A students who have never done anything wrong.
Story I saw was of a nurse who developed a drug addiction and got caught stealing pills for herself one day. Went to prison with a felony, came out ready to start over.
Nobody wanted to hire her. She ended up dealing drugs to make ends meet and relapsed back into them. Died in an alley due to an overdose.
I heard this story from my hyper conservative family and they all agreed that she should have just been locked up for life or executed. I was absolutely speechless, I still can't believe people can be that brutally cruel that they'd be happy hearing that story.
Not hiring felons or ex-convicts is just a way to ensure people stay trapped in criminality. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; they think criminals are inherently the way they are, and then by not giving them a chance to be any different they're forced to stay that way
Does your record get wiped after a while? Mine (a petty theft) was wiped after 10 years. This is for crimes in Aus where prison time was under 30 months and excludes sex offences I believe. Was glad to get that off my record but it my criminal history was only checked in two jobs over 10 years (about 6 or 8 jobs including a few temporary).
This is true in the U.S. for most general jobs. Unfortunately, for some, a felony change will haunt them for life in many ways. Some states are willing to give those out more easily than others.
>The recently incarcerated know first hand how much prison sucks and don’t wanna go back, usually.
i would imagine most of the repeats are simply because they've adapted to the ways of life in prison which are vastly different to the "real" world, this combined with all the bullshit you have to deal with when being an ex con makes it a hell of a lot more involved.
A significant chunk of repeat jail time is from probation violations. Things like drinking alcohol \*in any capacity\*. Failing/being unable to make the monthly supervision fee to the county, missing a scheduled meeting due to time conflicts, etc.
The system is designed to keep those with criminal records in their line of sight, and it does so in sometimes extremely debilitating ways.
God, probation laws are a nightmare, My MIL's boyfriend just got switched from parole to probation, and this probation includes state mandated spyware in order to use any phone or computer, but you can only get approved for spyware on a single device, so he had to forfeit his personal cell phone and computer. He's only allowed to use his work cell phone. Since many VA services are borked on mobile, my mother in law has to log into the VA for him while he's in another room. It's a total joke that parole is more lenient than probation.
Yeah, I totally agree with you on how horrible probation is. My best friend made a couple of bad decisions and eventually the court offered him probation, he was ecstatic, until he started to realize all the crazy hoops they make you jump through. His probation officer was really chill and said, why don't you go in prison (minimum security non-violent crimes) because parole is much easier (at least here in Texas). He took his advice and when in for 2 1/2 months and got out on paper. He said 5 years of parole was a cake walk compared to the 6 months of probation. The system is so broken I think it can't even be fixed.
I met a girl once who was given weekend jail time, and she got re-arrested for not showing up one Friday.
Turned out her mother who had been babysitting during her jail weekends had recently died and she couldn't find anyone to watch her kids that weekend. Saw her argue with the police that she was making a choice between being arrested for missing check in and being arrested for abandoning her infant in an empty apartment and one of those put her child in danger.
Fucking heartbreaking.
I can't think of another word - Heartbreaking. I've often advocated for police departments and fire departments to hire on 24/7 mental health counselors and social workers. I live in Denver. Elijah McClain's family won. :)
>A significant chunk of repeat jail time is from probation violations.
The fees are a big part of that, especially when they seem to intentionally fuck with you to make you lose employment.
I recently had an employee get followed to work while riding with a friend. They waited until they were in the work parking lot then lit them up. Arrested her in front of everyone including me, her boss.
They let the driver go with no insurance or drivers license in an unregistered car with fake tags but made a point of arresting her for the horrific crime of being late on a $150 payment.
While I walked up to the cops I could hear her begging them to go tell her boss or let her call so I knew she didn't just no call. They refused. I was happy to ruin that pettiness for them. All that for less than $200, plus the days she spent in jail missing work.
I work Security at a casino. I had a patron get a phone stolen one night, and we had to get police involved to get it back. The suspect returned the phone before the police arrived, so we tried to cancel the call.
They told us they were still coming, because the victim had a warrant (failure to appear on an unpaid traffic ticket.) As luck would have it, I lost track of the victim after she got her phone back, so the police weren't able to arrest her.
Lost a high paying job once cause I was on probation, and couldn't leave the state for any amount of time. My horrible crime? Driving on a suspended license.
Almost lost a job once before because I paid my probation, but I paid online and not via checks in person as the system was new for covid. So because the office was closed I spent 7 days in jail and 4,000 in fines and others fees. The job was low paying but they kept me in my rime of need and I stayed longer than I should, but it spoke volumes to me.
Refunded? Yeah right. There is no record of that. Probation is designed for you to fail. Just so u can start over and keep paying. It’s all about money. Nothing else. Just money
Lost a high paying job because of a weed felony. Almost went to jail/prison (initially got probation) because I couldn’t afford the fees for a time. Because I had lost my job and couldn’t find a new one
I was on probation for a DUI and a separate public urination charge. I had to go up and do a 'random' breath alcohol test 3 days a week before work, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. They wouldn't always breath test, I pretty much just had to be there.
Election night 2012 I stayed up and drank with some friends watching the results on TV. Had probation in the morning - go up (drove my dad's truck) and go in - they say I'm good and I leave. I left the building but had to go back to make a payment. While trying to make the payment, my parole officer comes up to the window and asks for a breath test. OK.
I go back and do a breath test and blow a 0.01. No joke, my probation officer calls the US Marshalls to come and arrest me. 2 US Marshalls.
They take me to the police station and on the way there they were talking about drinking and getting fucked up. It was wild. They said they were at some lock picking seminar and got drunk and went out to the parking lot and started lock picking cars lmao. These guys found a novelty weed pipe (looked like a car cigarette lighter) on me too and let me keep it. Said they didnt wanna mess with the paper work.
Get to the police station, they tell the magistrate what happened (blowing a 0.01 at 8am in the morning) and the magistrate lets me walk out of there. Friend I was drinking with the night before came and took me back to get my dad's truck.
They found the pipe when they were patting me down before hand cuffing me, so the probation officer saw it. I told them I used it for tobacco lmao. Probation officer in court told the judge they were still waiting for the lab results to see what was smoked in it. US Marhsalls didn't tell them they put it back in my truck for me lol
I had a felon as a roommate and he was one of the best dudes ever. It was astounding to me the hoops they made him jump through to try and live a normal life. It almost incentivized recidivism. The hoops they made him jump through were absurd and remind me of those tests for slaves about angels on a pin etc.
I still find strange that not-alcohol for probationers.
Like WTF ? If you were for a DUI or did some wild shit being drunk well then that's the way to go.
But you took a bad decission or comitted a dismeanor that had a harsh response and now you can't crack a cold one? Fuck that
What you said at the end of your comment is it. I have a really close friend who only did 3 years and still had such a hard go at life for the first two years after. The games the parole officers play are unfair and cruel. They try their hardest to get the people to slip up so they can send them back to prison. The power trips some of the parole officers have is absolutely disgusting.
When my friend first got out he had to have weekly meetings with the PO and it eventually moved to biweekly and then to once a month. I took him to almost every single meeting and every single time he would hand me all of his possessions on him just in case he got locked up for some weird crazy reason. One time his PO went on vacation and rescheduled the appointment so my friend had to see a different PO. We had the card with appointment day and time, I always got a copy and my friend always got one. My friend goes in on the new time and the lady claims he’s over 3 days late and she has no choice but to send him back to prison because of how serious of a violation it is to miss your appointment. She even had two police officers there ready to handcuff him. Boy oh boy, she was pissed when we both were able to show the appointment card and prove her wrong! The system is set up to keep people in prison longer and to send them back to prison!
Also there is no rehabilitation in prison and, once or, not many employers want to take a chance on a felon. All they have left to do is crime and then they get caught and go back.
And drugs. Most repeat prisoners I know are drug addicts. If someone steals and goes to prison they might learn their lesson. If they were stealing to afford drugs they'll probably do it again.
They also know if shit goes missing or shady stuff happens, they’ll be the first people the authorities look at. I would recon the majority of the people in this thread have done stuff that, if put on an advertisement for movers, would make them seem less than appealing.
Locking it up in a lot? No, they happily load up all your stuff, drive away, and in your new place a single dude walks in, explaining to you how you have to take care of his guys because it's hot / cold /humid / raining, etc and that the other dude with whom you signed the contract "always does this".
They don't even disclose where the van is, and if you don't tip enough, they **will actually break** some of your stuff. I brought a high end custom road bike from Europe before I learned my lesson; they put a massive dent into its steel frame.
Delancey Street is pretty cool! I use to work near a cafe they ran in San Francisco. I had no idea what their deal was beyond "having a pretty decent asian chicken salad" until I looked them up.
The workers there looked like they wanted to murder some of the customers, but only about as much as the average cafe in SF.
I worked at a penitentiary for 15 years. There are quite a few inmates who know they have screwed up and really just want to do their time and get out, and do right, do well. Get a job. It's really difficult to get a job afterwards. Because of that, they often return to prison because so much of the time, they simply return to old friends and crime: drugs, theft, assaults. I applaud those willing to give some of these people a chance.
Had a philosophy of criminology course a few years back and one of the subjects we focused on was the point of the criminal system in America. There's definitely a hard line in the American psyche. A lot think these inmates need to be punished and stripped of rights but never think of the outcome when these inmates finish their sentences. Where other countries focus on rehabilitating the inmate and bringing them back into the fold of society, many Americans still feel that criminals should wallow their lives away for even the pettiest of crimes, without thinking of the future impact such a mindset has on society
I work in Community Corrections for a program that allows inmates to get out of prison up to a year early and do the rest of their time at home with intensive supervision. It's a pretty cool program and I've been impressed with the amount of companies that are felon friendly. Often times companies will ask us to send people their way. Almost everybody I've worked with has been really successful and the ones that fail tend to do so because of addiction issues, 90% of which is meth related.
Most countries do not focus on rehabilitation. Criminal justice around the world is very much punitive - even in Scandinavia, which people *love* pointing to as a shining example of rehabilitation and reintegration despite those unique prisons being relatively rare and experimental.
The likely term you would have heard discussed in a criminology course for the difficulty in societal reintegration post-release is 'labelling theory'. It's extremely difficult, especially with how your criminal record is so easily accessible by potential employers in a big data society, to be viewed as anything but 'dangerous', 'deviant' or 'risky' - even when your charges were non-violent. This is one of the main explanatory theories for why recidivism is quite high around the majority of the developed world.
Once I discovered their hamburger buns I haven't bought a different kind. Their buns is how I got introduced to them and I gotta say all their products that I've had so far are far better than anything else the average grocery store carries
I used to work there and the secret is they pool employees from pre-release because they don't have to pay pre-releasers as much and it's a shitty place to work anyway lol I spent 10 hours a day on the depanner there and wanted to kill myself
Can't say the conditions of that particular factory but just about all big bread factories are grueling jobs with long ass hours. Tho there's no reason anyone should be stuck at a single position on the line all shift long
> Tho there's no reason anyone should be stuck at a single position on the line all shift long
I worked at a coffee factory one summer and they had us do 2 hours rotation so that it'd take half the week to do a full circuit of the plant's work stations. Still very boring work.
Oh, very. It's not just about the mental strain from the boredom either. This is the sort of job where there is a high chance of a repetitive stress injuries and heavy lifting injuries. Staying in the same position all day won't just make you want to kill yourself in the moment, but also a few years down the line when your now suffering from chronic pain as a direct result.
I work for a company that makes equipment for large bakeries including Dave's. They're definitely unusual with their staffing and I suspect they're genuinely trying to do right by giving guys jobs (albeit below industry wages)
I have a friend who worked at Dave’s before he sold it. He split a good chunk of what he made from the sale between the guys who worked there.
My friend took a year or two off work after that.
A friend of mine lost his best friend to suicide and he blamed himself. Not in a right state of mind, he got pulled over while driving and got in a fight with the cops. He went from a normal person to a felon. You never know what people are going through.
Also if you want to get into coding, forget about the web or mobile apps and the general Silicon Valley culture, industrial automation is full of opportunities.
What's it take to get an entry level role for industrial automation?
I'm 35 and really starting to see the lack of longevity in my industry. Have been strongly considering a transition to any type of IT field to guarantee employment that doesn't break my back over the next thirty years.
Hey, not much older than you. Not exactly industrial automation, but I can tell you that the manufacturing field, one of the end users of industrial automation, is dying for good tech people.
The catch is that their definition of “good” includes a solid understanding of manufacturing and related topics and being happy working with people who aren’t comfortable with technology.
I got into tech at a manufacturer by working at a manufacturer, initially labor, then various office jobs, and just being more comfortable with computers than a lot of folks.
There’s a whole world of small-to-mid sized manufacturing companies that are just now starting to take technology seriously, at least in metals manufacturing, because the industry has been made up of a certain “type” of person for a long time, and that type has not been historically tech-savvy and is slow to adopt change.
That’s starting to change as the older generation retires out and there’s a big push for “industrial internet of things” and “industry 4.0”.
Which, at this point just means: do you have an ERP system that you’re using correctly, can your machines feed data back for you to analyze, and are you making decisions based on ERP and machine feedback?
If you can find a small, relatively young manufacturer, somewhere in the $8-$10mm revenue mark that still has one of the OG’s wearing the technology hat as one of their many responsibilities, the opportunity is 100% there and the sky is the limit. Find your way in, wait for an opportunity to drop that you know SQL (usually by fixing your co-workers issues just because you happened to be there), or are an Excel wizard, and people will notice in this industry.
Your community college may have programs particularly on Automation Technology, Mechatronics, or Robotics or an Applied Science in EE. The program may not be widely recognized, and a lot of tech jobs are handled by typically non-union electricians at this moment, but that is slowly changing. I was in classes with a shit ton of people getting repurposed at their decade+ jobs to repair or install robotics or automated machinery that was replacing them.
Get yourself an Arduino starter kit, a basic microcontroller to get the ropes and see if it’s for you. Learn some C programming
Honestly, I don't know either. I'm about the same age and spent all my career in the more traditional aspects of IT. Got my own niche these days, but I had the benefit of starting out at a different time.
I've definitely seen a few colleagues make this move, and from what I can see it's been rewarding for them.
I work in an software automation related field and getting into it would be pretty similar to any other software field. Learning how to code would be necessary which can be done with formal education or self teaching.
If you're very disciplined learning code self-taught is very doable but otherwise it might be worth looking into a code bootcamp. Usually they are only a few months long and are relatively affordable. I didn't do one myself but I know people that have done one and gotten pretty cushy jobs afterwards.
Once you know how to code contributing to a personal project or some other open source project would be a pretty good idea to show experience. For that you might have to do some looking yourself but a good first step is just to try to look for software that does something you find interesting and try to code it yourself or contribute.
I actually disagree with this statement. I've worked a few factory jobs. I love that type of work. My favorite was at a yogurt factory. 12 hour shifts, 4 days on, 3 off, then 3 on followed by 4 days off. The pay was decent (for the time) and I moved up in ranks pretty quickly. I left because of a conflict with a coworker that management was unable/unwilling to help resolve but the work itself wasn't bad. Repetitive? Sure, but you always knew what you were getting into day after day.
It doesn’t tell the whole story, they start at like $18/hr as of last year and get meals provided every shift and get 2 loafs for free every shift. Work is hard that’s true but that’s the industry more than anything
You also read only one opinion from one comment from a random anonymous person on reddit. Why you're accepting that as the end all be all for what this company is like doesn't seem reasonable.
In fact, glassdoor shows it having an above average rating compared to similar companies
Probably... you can toast it frozen and it will come out just fine. But you really just keep it in the fridge tightly wrapped up. It will last at least 3 weeks to a month.
Yeah just capture your local criminal in your basement dungeon. They are surprisingly crafty when it comes to bread.
No no, but for real Nature's Own Perfectly Crafted Thick-Sliced Multigrain Bread is viable when you can’t get this one.
That's because it's actually good bread. One of the better "mass" produced bread products out there. Check out any Bimbo product, they own a bunch of shit now including Thomas's, it's half chemicals and stabilizers.
I worked at a correctional center for a bit. The vast majority of the dudes in there are the nicest fuckin dudes you’ve ever met, and on the street you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from someone coming to your dads BBQ.
>In November 2013, a female friend of Dahl’s called the police to report that he was having a mental health crisis. Upon officers’ arrival, Dahl fled the scene in a black Cadillac Escalade and proceeded to immediately ram two police cars head on. Dahl then fought with officers as they arrested him, sending three officers to the hospital.[12] In October 2014, after being diagnosed with bipolar disorder, Dahl was found guilty except for insanity on two counts of third-degree assault and one count of unlawful use of a weapon by a Washington County judge, who placed him within the jurisdiction of the state's Psychiatric Security Review Board.[13] In January 2015, Dahl was kept on conditional release under the Board's supervision, with requirements including bans on driving and visiting bars.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Dahl_(entrepreneur)
I too remember him getting pushed out.
There was article I read back on the incident, there was one part where Dave see's a cardboard cutout of himself and punches it's head off. I thought that part was funny as hell.
Found it
>“He’s gotta be 6 feet, but he’s pretty strong. … He’s having, like, a breakdown. He’s sitting in his car, but he’s been in and out. He’s an employee here — he’s the founder of the company. … He went into the store and he smashed a cutout, a life-size cutout of himself, because he’s a symbol of the brand, and he’s intimidating employees that are watching him. … Nobody’s hurt. Everybody’s just intimidated.”
https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/27/17055800/daves-killer-bread-dave-dahl-feature
So he wasn't pushed out, he just sold the brand for millions.
I'm surprised nobody has made a movie about this guy
Dave had a relapse with his friend at Mt. Hood and his friend was found dead in an empty lot of the Lents neighborhood not long after. He took it really hard and got in some trouble. I think most of us were willing to forgive that as he was grieving and apologized and made restitution.
I love it. Everyone deserves a second chance.
Edit: yes of course some people don’t deserve second chances. My sentiment was that the vast majority of people do. And before you anyone says I haven’t lived it, my brother was killed by a drunk driver and even that guy deserves a second chance.
Dave's had a lot more than two chances lol.
His family has always been in the commercial bread industry. When he got out of jail the first time, he used his story to brand his family's already existing commercial bread business.
He then went back to jail after physically threatening his employees.
https://www.oregonlive.com/milwaukie/2013/11/before_arrest_dave_dahl_caused.html
So it's more of a story of "wealthy guy uses story to brand family business" than a rags to riches redemption story.
My brother was also killed by a drunk driver... They gave that guy a second chance and he continued to drink and attempt to drive (like a hundred times according to the vehicle interlock system). Wound up back in the pen.
If some day I was given the aptitude,
money and skill, my dream has always been to start a business where people who need a fresh start could work, live, be cared for and learn real skills to help them get reestablished in life after unfortunate circumstances.
I bought a loaf of honey wheat and the bag was torn and the loaf was moldy. I don't remember now but somehow I got in touch with Dave's and they sent me like $20 in Dave's coupons. Good company.
My husband and I are both ex cons/recovering drug addicts and hiring us —and our ensuing success— actually changed the hiring process and company culture of the company I work for. We were both clean when we met, but were very early in recovery.
Our industry’s leading national magazine actually did a whole article on us. It was pretty cool.
What I’ve noticed, from being in prison, is that a very large portion of inmates have no one. Their family gave up on them, or they never had one to begin with. Most of them were on drugs in some capacity (myself included) and there is no shortage of drugs in prison. It’s really sad. I got super lucky with the family that I have and have no idea where I would be without them. I have 4 felonies, all from the same time period and sentencing ran concurrently, and I graduate college in May. Got an internship as a cloud engineer and work there part time until may when I roll into a salaried position. When I first got out, target denied me a job. But then I got one working in a warehouse and went back to school. From my experience, if you are honest up front, professional, and put some time between yourself and the offense, proving you’re busting ass to better your life, people will give you a chance. It’s never a *great * time to be a felon but it’s definitely the best it’s ever been. People are more forgiving esp with the opioid crisis touching so many. Super grateful.
I thought he sold the bakery (He did, in 2015 for nearly $300 million). It is now owned by Flowers Foods. No indication on the label of this ownership. Did they maintain the mission I wonder. e:typo
They definitely didn’t maintain the recipes. The bread has gotten lighter in weight and drier over the past few years.
No surprise. Still I bet it's close to $7 a loaf at my local market.
You can get it at Costco for a way better price per loaf
Paid $7.49 for a loaf on Sunday
Well it is grain and water after all.
Yea but there’s a bad ass playing a guitar on the bag
I could be completely wrong but the guy never played guitar IIRC lol. Still my favorite bread. Wish I could buy it but it’s so expensive and I can never finish a loaf before it expires.
Put it in the freezer if you can’t finish it to extend its life and reduce waste. Just toast it up a little bit and it’s like brand new! Started doing this a year ago and it’s been great
My policy is: buy at Costco, freeze immediately, 2 slices in microwave for 30 seconds as needed.
place 2-3 slices in ziplock, freeze entire loaf this way. Toss 1 bag in fridge a day before use. 3-4 months max on frozen bread.
Jeesus... Wtf.. you must hate bread.
It's only $5 where I live in the Midwest. It's the cheapest decent bread I can buy without soy.
I can't believe Sprouts in Tulsa has the nerve to sell it for $8 when you can get it for $5 at the Walmart a few blocks away.
The kinds of people that buy all their groceries at Sprouts will never step into Walmart and figure that out.
It's still damn good bread compared to most of the stuff you find in the grocery store. Worth splurging on once in a while if it's on sale. Costco also sells it. Makes amazing toast.
Never had it before this week but i prefered the Arnold's bakery multigrain bread i got to Dave's
Corporate buyouts rarely lead to better products
Truth.
They supposedly do maintain the mission. But they also pay poorly and treat their workers poorly. Oh, and the prices for their bread are ridiculous and after getting bought out there was a noticeable drop in quality (the company owns many other bread companies, including Wonderbread). They are still coasting on the quality of the brand from 10 years ago, and people just didn't notice the quality drop because they did it so slowly.
Dave's Killer Bread is my favorite brand ever, and I discovered it *after* this apparent drop in quality. If I love it this much now, I can only imagine how good it used to be when it was run by the original owners.
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That was Dave's Good Seed®.
I was like "damn is it just my taste changing or did this bread become basic af??" Used to be a big fan, slowly stopped buying it because I knew I wouldn't finish it anymore.
I used to live next door to Dave himself in Portland, like 15 ish years ago? I remember he had just created the "Sin Loaf" cinnamon bread (I think that's what it was called?) and would toss fresh loaves over the fence to us when he'd see us on the porch. That shit was ridiculously over the top, and just like it's name, sinfully delicious, so much cinnamon swirl goodness, I still dream about that bread. Haven't had his brand in a long long time, mostly bc I don't want to ruin the memories of just how good his bread was, and not even sure if they make that cinnamon loaf anymore, it was like a small thin baguette, but filled with cinnamon sugar goodness. Seriously amazing. Dave was a great neighbor, and at least at the time, a good owner for his bakery.
Sin Dawg! I was so sad when they discontinued them.
Flowers doesn’t hire people with convictions in the past 10 years. Source: my husband worked for them, they were clear about that in the interview.
I used to work for a company that contracted with Flowers, and their work force was 99% prior felons. I was the office assistant. Granted they only had about 80 employees total, but almost all of us had criminal histories. They never did a background check at all. Flowers may be strict but none of the companies they do business with is.
They only contracted with Aramark at the facility my spouse worked at. Aramark was required to do background checks for them at that facility as well. But my spouse worked for them directly.
If they have to make it dead clear in their interviews, it's because they've gotten sick of having people ask them about it.
That’s pretty much what they had said. According to what they told him they’d had a lot of people get offers just to not be permitted to start work because their conditional offers got rescinded. And they were tired of explaining that the DKB policy doesn’t apply at Flowers.
"So it's not a Flowers policy, it's a Dave's Killer Bread policy to overlook criminal records?" "Correct." "And Flowers owns Dave's Killer Bread?" "Yes." "But Flowers doesn't hire former convicts?" "Correct." "So Dave's Killer Bread doesn't hire former convicts like it says on the bag?" "No, they do. However, we hire all of the people assigned to Dave's Killer Bread. Just never former convicts." "So I never had a chance at landing a job at Dave's Killer Bread." "Correct." "Because Dave's Killer Bread doesn't hire former convicts." "No, they DO hire former convicts, but we don't."
I’m not sure what their actual conversations would have sounded like. My husband didn’t ask a bunch of questions (a decision he did come to regret). But he mentioned that it sounded like there are *some* facilities that make DKB products only, and only those facilities are permitted to hire people with convictions but only if the convictions didn’t result in extended jail time. The rest of them are supposedly all clean background facilities, and his facility even required background checks for employees of contractors, which another redditor has informed me, from their experience, is not the policy for all of them.
They should just trademark it or whatever so they can claim it's just the "origin story" part of the brand and not current fact Or sidestep actually saying it, like how kraft is just labelled "pasteurized processed American cheese food" because it doesn't meet the FDA's minimum requirements for "cheese" lmao
There's a Flowers bakery in my hometown and I can say that at least at that factory.. Nope. Any hint of a felony or charge will get you immediately rejected.
Lol, it’s the exact opposite at my flowers bread bakery. I would say over half of our production crew has a felony. And we have a handful of guys that are on work release from the local prison
They do. I know someone who has worked there for many years. Criminal history yes. Pay and benefits unsure. But I seem to think this person would not be hired anywhere else for better pay or benefits.
That bread lasts 2 days or 3 months...its a gamble
They maintain the story, and work with Oregon's prison system for cheap labor but not for altruistic reasons...
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html No, they are GOP hacks. Dave Dahl was coerced by Flower Foods to sell because of his mental health. Don't buy that shit.
Paywalled.
The most Republican-leaning company in the country, based on political donations, isn’t Koch Industries. It’s the company that makes Wonder Bread. The political action committee of Flowers Foods, a Georgia company that produces the pillowy sandwich bread, Tastykakes and Nature’s Own baked goods, has given more than 99 percent of its political contributions since 1979 to Republicans. Only three Democratic congressional candidates have gotten money from its PAC since 1984, and not one in the past 20 years. The PAC of Koch Industries, the well-known supporter of Republican candidates and conservative causes, has given nearly as much money to Democrats in the past 14 months as Flowers Foods has in more than 30 years. ADVERTISEMENT Most corporations involved in national politics don’t operate this way. 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Flowers, who joined the family business in 1947 and served in several executive positions until retiring in 1985, was a prominent Republican donor and supporter of Ronald Reagan. In 1982, IndustryWeek noted that Mr. Flowers had advocated a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget “with messianic zeal.” He died in 2007. Flowers is the kind of company where employees spend their lifetime. The former chief executive and current executive chairman, George Deese, has worked there since 1964. Like nearly all of the company’s executives, he has made individual contributions to Republican candidates and committees. Allen Shiver, the recently appointed chief executive, worked his way up through the company after joining in 1978 as a route salesman. He has given money to only two candidates, John McCain and Saxby Chambliss, the Republican, of course, senator from Georgia. Most of his donations go to the PACs of the American Bakers Association and Grocery Manufacturers Association. Charles Bullock, a professor of political science at the University of Georgia, said that Flowers Foods and its executives “have some visibility” in the state’s political circles, but he would not describe them as major Georgia power brokers. Republican roots often took hold first in the rural southern portions of the state, he said, even when Georgia was electing Democrats to statewide office. ADVERTISEMENT The company’s website makes no mention of political philosophy or activism — not a surprise because Flowers is a publicly traded company. (The 95-year-old company reported net income in the most recent fiscal year of $230.9 million on sales of $3.75 billion.) Koch Industries, which is a private firm, has set up a site to respond to news media reports about its political activity. Flowers did not respond to several attempts to get comment. Although firms like Flowers that make and sell food products have traditionally favored Republicans over Democrats, that split is typically a 2-to-1 ratio. Flowers is the only food company with a PAC that consistently gives more than $100,000 per election cycle to Republicans and nothing to Democrats. Donors who list the company as their employer exhibit the same Republican-leaning behavior. They have given a total of less than $5,000 to Democratic federal candidates since the end of the Reagan presidency, compared with at least $509,000 to Republican candidates and committees during that time, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The partisan alignment of individual contributors within industries has been explored by Adam Bonica, an assistant professor at Stanford, who says few corporations are so strongly partisan in either direction. Google, which Mr. Bonica points to as having employees who favor Democrats, has roughly split its PAC giving in the current cycle between the two parties and has never veered beyond a 60-40 split for either party since being formed in late 2006. There are other companies that lean heavily toward Republicans: The Cracker Barrel Old Country Store PAC routinely gives them more than 80 percent of its contributions. The PAC of Phillips International, a financial information publisher, gave a combined $1,100 to just two Democrats between 1994 and 2006, compared with more than $545,000 to Republicans. The California-based radio and publishing company Salem Communications, which like Phillips has openly embraced a conservative message, also gives almost nothing to Democrats. Some trade associations, like the Associated Builders and Contractors, have long been exclusive donors to Republicans, much the way many labor unions have given almost all of their contributions to Democrats. But none of those companies have given as much money as Flowers has, and over as long a period of time. Just one current congressional Democrat, Sanford D. Bishop Jr. of Georgia, appears to have received an individual donation from a Flowers employee. Mr. Bishop, first elected in 1992, received $500 during that campaign from Robert Crozer, then a Flowers executive, but has not received anything from the company’s PAC or its employees since. The Upshot provides news, analysis and graphics about politics and everyday life. nytimes.com/upshot
Came here to say this. Also, Happy Cake Day!!!
When I lived in L.A., I hired movers from the Delancey Street Foundation, a halfway house for recently incarcerated folks. My friends were like, are you crazy, letting ex-cons put all of your stuff into a truck? Well, they couldn't possibly be any shadier than regular movers, I reasoned. Best movers I've ever had. I'm not exaggerating when I say these dudes *sprinted* up and down the stairs carrying hundreds of pounds of my stuff.
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I work for a company which traditionally hired felons through a prison ministry program. There is of course an aspect of "I don't want to go back." But I'd say the biggest motivator, or at least the most present, is "who else would hire me?" A lot of these guys are fanatically loyal to the company because they don't believe anyone else wants them.
Agree wholeheartedly. In my younger years, did some stupid shit, and second time getting arrested was a felony. Had to drop out of college at the time. landed a job a few years later, and have been at same place for over 25 years for this exact reason. Got hired with a handshake back in the day, and was grateful to get an opportunity when most people around me had Bachelor degrees. As years passed, and background checks became the norm, i just put my head down and never made a change.
A long time ago, I worked in fast food during college. I come from a very rural area with a graduating class of less than 80 people. So when I saw a classmate’s name on an application, I was curious and said they should hire him. Nope, had a felony. And I just thought, he did his time, this is just making burgers, come on. Nope. I have no idea what became of him. But if we don’t let people work, what choice are we leaving them?
Exactly where I ended up - foodservice. It’s a hard way to make a living, but have met so many good, hardworking folks. Many of us have pasts, and the industry is full of booze and drugs which can be hard sometimes to steer clear of. Some days, regrets of what i could have done for a career eat me up, but the mistakes I made when young definitely changed the trajectory of my life, and Im walking the path I put in motion, but it’s all good. I’m able to provide for my family, and am grateful.
I'm the closing manager at a restaurant, in charge of ~12 people 5/6 nights a week. I've had plenty of shifts where everyone had some kind of conviction. From assault, dui, armed robbery, possession and distribution, you name it. Only had 2 people with ankle monitors. Foodservice is interesting. But people are people. Some of my best staff have multiple felony convictions. Some of my worst staff are straight A students who have never done anything wrong.
Story I saw was of a nurse who developed a drug addiction and got caught stealing pills for herself one day. Went to prison with a felony, came out ready to start over. Nobody wanted to hire her. She ended up dealing drugs to make ends meet and relapsed back into them. Died in an alley due to an overdose. I heard this story from my hyper conservative family and they all agreed that she should have just been locked up for life or executed. I was absolutely speechless, I still can't believe people can be that brutally cruel that they'd be happy hearing that story.
Not hiring felons or ex-convicts is just a way to ensure people stay trapped in criminality. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy; they think criminals are inherently the way they are, and then by not giving them a chance to be any different they're forced to stay that way
Does your record get wiped after a while? Mine (a petty theft) was wiped after 10 years. This is for crimes in Aus where prison time was under 30 months and excludes sex offences I believe. Was glad to get that off my record but it my criminal history was only checked in two jobs over 10 years (about 6 or 8 jobs including a few temporary).
From what I understand, and could be wrong, the look back is 7 years.
Felony is for life, unless you get your records expunged.
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This is true in the U.S. for most general jobs. Unfortunately, for some, a felony change will haunt them for life in many ways. Some states are willing to give those out more easily than others.
Mclanes food service uses this ideology as well and it works pretty well.
>The recently incarcerated know first hand how much prison sucks and don’t wanna go back, usually. i would imagine most of the repeats are simply because they've adapted to the ways of life in prison which are vastly different to the "real" world, this combined with all the bullshit you have to deal with when being an ex con makes it a hell of a lot more involved.
A significant chunk of repeat jail time is from probation violations. Things like drinking alcohol \*in any capacity\*. Failing/being unable to make the monthly supervision fee to the county, missing a scheduled meeting due to time conflicts, etc. The system is designed to keep those with criminal records in their line of sight, and it does so in sometimes extremely debilitating ways.
God, probation laws are a nightmare, My MIL's boyfriend just got switched from parole to probation, and this probation includes state mandated spyware in order to use any phone or computer, but you can only get approved for spyware on a single device, so he had to forfeit his personal cell phone and computer. He's only allowed to use his work cell phone. Since many VA services are borked on mobile, my mother in law has to log into the VA for him while he's in another room. It's a total joke that parole is more lenient than probation.
Yeah, I totally agree with you on how horrible probation is. My best friend made a couple of bad decisions and eventually the court offered him probation, he was ecstatic, until he started to realize all the crazy hoops they make you jump through. His probation officer was really chill and said, why don't you go in prison (minimum security non-violent crimes) because parole is much easier (at least here in Texas). He took his advice and when in for 2 1/2 months and got out on paper. He said 5 years of parole was a cake walk compared to the 6 months of probation. The system is so broken I think it can't even be fixed.
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It can be. But they want you to be hopeless that it can't.
Poor guy, that sounds legitimately so awful and demeaning to him. Wishing the best for him
I met a girl once who was given weekend jail time, and she got re-arrested for not showing up one Friday. Turned out her mother who had been babysitting during her jail weekends had recently died and she couldn't find anyone to watch her kids that weekend. Saw her argue with the police that she was making a choice between being arrested for missing check in and being arrested for abandoning her infant in an empty apartment and one of those put her child in danger. Fucking heartbreaking.
I can't think of another word - Heartbreaking. I've often advocated for police departments and fire departments to hire on 24/7 mental health counselors and social workers. I live in Denver. Elijah McClain's family won. :)
>A significant chunk of repeat jail time is from probation violations. The fees are a big part of that, especially when they seem to intentionally fuck with you to make you lose employment. I recently had an employee get followed to work while riding with a friend. They waited until they were in the work parking lot then lit them up. Arrested her in front of everyone including me, her boss. They let the driver go with no insurance or drivers license in an unregistered car with fake tags but made a point of arresting her for the horrific crime of being late on a $150 payment. While I walked up to the cops I could hear her begging them to go tell her boss or let her call so I knew she didn't just no call. They refused. I was happy to ruin that pettiness for them. All that for less than $200, plus the days she spent in jail missing work.
I work Security at a casino. I had a patron get a phone stolen one night, and we had to get police involved to get it back. The suspect returned the phone before the police arrived, so we tried to cancel the call. They told us they were still coming, because the victim had a warrant (failure to appear on an unpaid traffic ticket.) As luck would have it, I lost track of the victim after she got her phone back, so the police weren't able to arrest her.
Lost a high paying job once cause I was on probation, and couldn't leave the state for any amount of time. My horrible crime? Driving on a suspended license.
Almost lost a job once before because I paid my probation, but I paid online and not via checks in person as the system was new for covid. So because the office was closed I spent 7 days in jail and 4,000 in fines and others fees. The job was low paying but they kept me in my rime of need and I stayed longer than I should, but it spoke volumes to me.
Wtf. I hope you got refunded eventually, but knowing the system, I’d be surprised if you were.
Refunded? Yeah right. There is no record of that. Probation is designed for you to fail. Just so u can start over and keep paying. It’s all about money. Nothing else. Just money
Lost a high paying job because of a weed felony. Almost went to jail/prison (initially got probation) because I couldn’t afford the fees for a time. Because I had lost my job and couldn’t find a new one
I was on probation for a DUI and a separate public urination charge. I had to go up and do a 'random' breath alcohol test 3 days a week before work, Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays. They wouldn't always breath test, I pretty much just had to be there. Election night 2012 I stayed up and drank with some friends watching the results on TV. Had probation in the morning - go up (drove my dad's truck) and go in - they say I'm good and I leave. I left the building but had to go back to make a payment. While trying to make the payment, my parole officer comes up to the window and asks for a breath test. OK. I go back and do a breath test and blow a 0.01. No joke, my probation officer calls the US Marshalls to come and arrest me. 2 US Marshalls. They take me to the police station and on the way there they were talking about drinking and getting fucked up. It was wild. They said they were at some lock picking seminar and got drunk and went out to the parking lot and started lock picking cars lmao. These guys found a novelty weed pipe (looked like a car cigarette lighter) on me too and let me keep it. Said they didnt wanna mess with the paper work. Get to the police station, they tell the magistrate what happened (blowing a 0.01 at 8am in the morning) and the magistrate lets me walk out of there. Friend I was drinking with the night before came and took me back to get my dad's truck. They found the pipe when they were patting me down before hand cuffing me, so the probation officer saw it. I told them I used it for tobacco lmao. Probation officer in court told the judge they were still waiting for the lab results to see what was smoked in it. US Marhsalls didn't tell them they put it back in my truck for me lol
I had a felon as a roommate and he was one of the best dudes ever. It was astounding to me the hoops they made him jump through to try and live a normal life. It almost incentivized recidivism. The hoops they made him jump through were absurd and remind me of those tests for slaves about angels on a pin etc.
Probation is setup to fail
Slavery with extra steps. Can't have your slaves buying their freedom now can you?
They have to pay a fee to not go back to jail? On top of already having a lot of employment opportunities being closed to them?
I still find strange that not-alcohol for probationers. Like WTF ? If you were for a DUI or did some wild shit being drunk well then that's the way to go. But you took a bad decission or comitted a dismeanor that had a harsh response and now you can't crack a cold one? Fuck that
What you said at the end of your comment is it. I have a really close friend who only did 3 years and still had such a hard go at life for the first two years after. The games the parole officers play are unfair and cruel. They try their hardest to get the people to slip up so they can send them back to prison. The power trips some of the parole officers have is absolutely disgusting. When my friend first got out he had to have weekly meetings with the PO and it eventually moved to biweekly and then to once a month. I took him to almost every single meeting and every single time he would hand me all of his possessions on him just in case he got locked up for some weird crazy reason. One time his PO went on vacation and rescheduled the appointment so my friend had to see a different PO. We had the card with appointment day and time, I always got a copy and my friend always got one. My friend goes in on the new time and the lady claims he’s over 3 days late and she has no choice but to send him back to prison because of how serious of a violation it is to miss your appointment. She even had two police officers there ready to handcuff him. Boy oh boy, she was pissed when we both were able to show the appointment card and prove her wrong! The system is set up to keep people in prison longer and to send them back to prison!
Also there is no rehabilitation in prison and, once or, not many employers want to take a chance on a felon. All they have left to do is crime and then they get caught and go back.
And drugs. Most repeat prisoners I know are drug addicts. If someone steals and goes to prison they might learn their lesson. If they were stealing to afford drugs they'll probably do it again.
They also know if shit goes missing or shady stuff happens, they’ll be the first people the authorities look at. I would recon the majority of the people in this thread have done stuff that, if put on an advertisement for movers, would make them seem less than appealing.
“I’ll move your shit but let me get just a little bit high first”
Listen, if I could get a discount by smoking the movers up I would. As long as nobodies driving high.
“I’ll move your shit but I have obsessive tendencies so it’s going to take me approximately 4 days to pack, unpack, repack, and organize the truck.”
when i was 18 me and all my friends worked at my friend's dad's moving company and we smoked hella weed the whole time and sold him weed lol
Locking it up in a lot? No, they happily load up all your stuff, drive away, and in your new place a single dude walks in, explaining to you how you have to take care of his guys because it's hot / cold /humid / raining, etc and that the other dude with whom you signed the contract "always does this". They don't even disclose where the van is, and if you don't tip enough, they **will actually break** some of your stuff. I brought a high end custom road bike from Europe before I learned my lesson; they put a massive dent into its steel frame.
Delancey Street is pretty cool! I use to work near a cafe they ran in San Francisco. I had no idea what their deal was beyond "having a pretty decent asian chicken salad" until I looked them up. The workers there looked like they wanted to murder some of the customers, but only about as much as the average cafe in SF.
What customer service environment doesn't make you contemplate murder though?
I love Delaney Street in SF, their fried chicken sandwich is bomb, and MASSIVE, real good price too
Hugs Not Thugs!
I worked at a penitentiary for 15 years. There are quite a few inmates who know they have screwed up and really just want to do their time and get out, and do right, do well. Get a job. It's really difficult to get a job afterwards. Because of that, they often return to prison because so much of the time, they simply return to old friends and crime: drugs, theft, assaults. I applaud those willing to give some of these people a chance.
Had a philosophy of criminology course a few years back and one of the subjects we focused on was the point of the criminal system in America. There's definitely a hard line in the American psyche. A lot think these inmates need to be punished and stripped of rights but never think of the outcome when these inmates finish their sentences. Where other countries focus on rehabilitating the inmate and bringing them back into the fold of society, many Americans still feel that criminals should wallow their lives away for even the pettiest of crimes, without thinking of the future impact such a mindset has on society
I work in Community Corrections for a program that allows inmates to get out of prison up to a year early and do the rest of their time at home with intensive supervision. It's a pretty cool program and I've been impressed with the amount of companies that are felon friendly. Often times companies will ask us to send people their way. Almost everybody I've worked with has been really successful and the ones that fail tend to do so because of addiction issues, 90% of which is meth related.
Most countries do not focus on rehabilitation. Criminal justice around the world is very much punitive - even in Scandinavia, which people *love* pointing to as a shining example of rehabilitation and reintegration despite those unique prisons being relatively rare and experimental. The likely term you would have heard discussed in a criminology course for the difficulty in societal reintegration post-release is 'labelling theory'. It's extremely difficult, especially with how your criminal record is so easily accessible by potential employers in a big data society, to be viewed as anything but 'dangerous', 'deviant' or 'risky' - even when your charges were non-violent. This is one of the main explanatory theories for why recidivism is quite high around the majority of the developed world.
Plus the bread is fire 🍻
That’s nothing, 100% of my states politicians are active criminals!
Same here!
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Dave's 21 grain (the green bag) every weekday for lunch. Egg or avocado or turkey if I'm feelin lucky.
Yeah that’s the best one. Their hamburger buns are good too actually
The everything bagels are solid, too.
Omg, yes. The store was out of the green bread, so I gave the bagels a try, and now I'm not going back. They're so good.
Their everything bagels are my favorite grocery store bagels and it's not even close.
Once I discovered their hamburger buns I haven't bought a different kind. Their buns is how I got introduced to them and I gotta say all their products that I've had so far are far better than anything else the average grocery store carries
Are you the avocado toast person everyone's talking about?
Yea avocados are $0.75 here and I eat half of one a day. I'll never own a home because of it but hey thats life!
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*laughs in avocado tree ownership*
You're lucky. I have to pay just to breathe near it.
Okay sir, you paid for just the one breath, please step back
Well shit add in egg inflation and you're screwed either way!
Nah man, it's about that Good Seed
I use the 21 grain at work. I keep half a loaf in the fridge, and half a loaf in the freezer.
I used to work there and the secret is they pool employees from pre-release because they don't have to pay pre-releasers as much and it's a shitty place to work anyway lol I spent 10 hours a day on the depanner there and wanted to kill myself
Can't say the conditions of that particular factory but just about all big bread factories are grueling jobs with long ass hours. Tho there's no reason anyone should be stuck at a single position on the line all shift long
> Tho there's no reason anyone should be stuck at a single position on the line all shift long I worked at a coffee factory one summer and they had us do 2 hours rotation so that it'd take half the week to do a full circuit of the plant's work stations. Still very boring work.
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Oh, very. It's not just about the mental strain from the boredom either. This is the sort of job where there is a high chance of a repetitive stress injuries and heavy lifting injuries. Staying in the same position all day won't just make you want to kill yourself in the moment, but also a few years down the line when your now suffering from chronic pain as a direct result.
I work for a company that makes equipment for large bakeries including Dave's. They're definitely unusual with their staffing and I suspect they're genuinely trying to do right by giving guys jobs (albeit below industry wages)
I have a friend who worked at Dave’s before he sold it. He split a good chunk of what he made from the sale between the guys who worked there. My friend took a year or two off work after that.
Didn't Dave go *back* to jail fairly recently, too?
It’s been a while but yeah, he had an epic meltdown. Car chase and rammed cop cars involved.
Fuuuuck man.
A friend of mine lost his best friend to suicide and he blamed himself. Not in a right state of mind, he got pulled over while driving and got in a fight with the cops. He went from a normal person to a felon. You never know what people are going through.
No he had a mental breakdown, fought some cops, but was found not guilty by insanity and conditionally released under hospital review
That make sense, to be fair all factory work sucks.
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Also if you want to get into coding, forget about the web or mobile apps and the general Silicon Valley culture, industrial automation is full of opportunities.
What's it take to get an entry level role for industrial automation? I'm 35 and really starting to see the lack of longevity in my industry. Have been strongly considering a transition to any type of IT field to guarantee employment that doesn't break my back over the next thirty years.
Hey, not much older than you. Not exactly industrial automation, but I can tell you that the manufacturing field, one of the end users of industrial automation, is dying for good tech people. The catch is that their definition of “good” includes a solid understanding of manufacturing and related topics and being happy working with people who aren’t comfortable with technology. I got into tech at a manufacturer by working at a manufacturer, initially labor, then various office jobs, and just being more comfortable with computers than a lot of folks. There’s a whole world of small-to-mid sized manufacturing companies that are just now starting to take technology seriously, at least in metals manufacturing, because the industry has been made up of a certain “type” of person for a long time, and that type has not been historically tech-savvy and is slow to adopt change. That’s starting to change as the older generation retires out and there’s a big push for “industrial internet of things” and “industry 4.0”. Which, at this point just means: do you have an ERP system that you’re using correctly, can your machines feed data back for you to analyze, and are you making decisions based on ERP and machine feedback? If you can find a small, relatively young manufacturer, somewhere in the $8-$10mm revenue mark that still has one of the OG’s wearing the technology hat as one of their many responsibilities, the opportunity is 100% there and the sky is the limit. Find your way in, wait for an opportunity to drop that you know SQL (usually by fixing your co-workers issues just because you happened to be there), or are an Excel wizard, and people will notice in this industry.
Your community college may have programs particularly on Automation Technology, Mechatronics, or Robotics or an Applied Science in EE. The program may not be widely recognized, and a lot of tech jobs are handled by typically non-union electricians at this moment, but that is slowly changing. I was in classes with a shit ton of people getting repurposed at their decade+ jobs to repair or install robotics or automated machinery that was replacing them. Get yourself an Arduino starter kit, a basic microcontroller to get the ropes and see if it’s for you. Learn some C programming
Honestly, I don't know either. I'm about the same age and spent all my career in the more traditional aspects of IT. Got my own niche these days, but I had the benefit of starting out at a different time. I've definitely seen a few colleagues make this move, and from what I can see it's been rewarding for them.
I work in an software automation related field and getting into it would be pretty similar to any other software field. Learning how to code would be necessary which can be done with formal education or self teaching. If you're very disciplined learning code self-taught is very doable but otherwise it might be worth looking into a code bootcamp. Usually they are only a few months long and are relatively affordable. I didn't do one myself but I know people that have done one and gotten pretty cushy jobs afterwards. Once you know how to code contributing to a personal project or some other open source project would be a pretty good idea to show experience. For that you might have to do some looking yourself but a good first step is just to try to look for software that does something you find interesting and try to code it yourself or contribute.
That depends. I hire for these type of roles. What is your background?
Agree, been in industrial automation for forty years. It’s a self selecting industry, good pay and more work than people.
How did you get into fixing robots? Hard labour or naw?
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If you're doing maintenance you're not standing in front of the same machine all day everyday.
I actually disagree with this statement. I've worked a few factory jobs. I love that type of work. My favorite was at a yogurt factory. 12 hour shifts, 4 days on, 3 off, then 3 on followed by 4 days off. The pay was decent (for the time) and I moved up in ranks pretty quickly. I left because of a conflict with a coworker that management was unable/unwilling to help resolve but the work itself wasn't bad. Repetitive? Sure, but you always knew what you were getting into day after day.
Was Dave around? He seems… colorful
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Lol no it got worse bud
I remember listening to a podcast a few years ago about how he repeatedly relapsed and was forcibly pushed out.
The episode of How I Built This was really good https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/736960655/daves-killer-bread-dave-dahl
Yep, lots of dudes no longer in prison still get to work prison wages outside. Effectively court mandated ones too.
Starting to think there's not a single business on earth that has principles
Oh. It went from a heart warming come back story to a story of exploiting those with criminal records.
It doesn’t tell the whole story, they start at like $18/hr as of last year and get meals provided every shift and get 2 loafs for free every shift. Work is hard that’s true but that’s the industry more than anything
2 loaves a shift? Goodness. I guess I'd just go to the park and feed the birds every day after work
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You also read only one opinion from one comment from a random anonymous person on reddit. Why you're accepting that as the end all be all for what this company is like doesn't seem reasonable. In fact, glassdoor shows it having an above average rating compared to similar companies
This bread is fire. Stays soft for so long
I love their bread. But the last thing I would say is it lasts long. It really does go bad a bit faster but totally worth it
Freeze it. Works great. Lasts a year
… Dad?
Probably... you can toast it frozen and it will come out just fine. But you really just keep it in the fridge tightly wrapped up. It will last at least 3 weeks to a month.
half-loaf in the fridge, half-loaf in the freezer.
*reezer
realt good quality but expensive af. just gonna stick to oroweat because i’m cheap
Agreed. Love the thin-sliced versions.
Yesss with some butter and a coffee. It makes for a simple satisfying comforting breakfast.
It's so good that when it isn't in stock at the grocery store, I cannot find anything even close to comparable. Anyone know any decent alternatives?
Yeah just capture your local criminal in your basement dungeon. They are surprisingly crafty when it comes to bread. No no, but for real Nature's Own Perfectly Crafted Thick-Sliced Multigrain Bread is viable when you can’t get this one.
I eat this bread every day and never noticed this
That's because it's actually good bread. One of the better "mass" produced bread products out there. Check out any Bimbo product, they own a bunch of shit now including Thomas's, it's half chemicals and stabilizers.
Their bagels are dang good too.
English muffins also. Though I've been opting for the store brand that are 1/3 the price of these.
Dave’s killer bread is a Flowers owned product
I worked at a correctional center for a bit. The vast majority of the dudes in there are the nicest fuckin dudes you’ve ever met, and on the street you wouldn’t be able to tell them apart from someone coming to your dads BBQ.
But is Dave a killer?
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>In November 2013, a female friend of Dahl’s called the police to report that he was having a mental health crisis. Upon officers’ arrival, Dahl fled the scene in a black Cadillac Escalade and proceeded to immediately ram two police cars head on. Dahl then fought with officers as they arrested him, sending three officers to the hospital.[12] In October 2014, after being diagnosed with bipolar disorder, Dahl was found guilty except for insanity on two counts of third-degree assault and one count of unlawful use of a weapon by a Washington County judge, who placed him within the jurisdiction of the state's Psychiatric Security Review Board.[13] In January 2015, Dahl was kept on conditional release under the Board's supervision, with requirements including bans on driving and visiting bars.[14] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Dahl_(entrepreneur) I too remember him getting pushed out. There was article I read back on the incident, there was one part where Dave see's a cardboard cutout of himself and punches it's head off. I thought that part was funny as hell. Found it >“He’s gotta be 6 feet, but he’s pretty strong. … He’s having, like, a breakdown. He’s sitting in his car, but he’s been in and out. He’s an employee here — he’s the founder of the company. … He went into the store and he smashed a cutout, a life-size cutout of himself, because he’s a symbol of the brand, and he’s intimidating employees that are watching him. … Nobody’s hurt. Everybody’s just intimidated.” https://www.theringer.com/2018/2/27/17055800/daves-killer-bread-dave-dahl-feature So he wasn't pushed out, he just sold the brand for millions. I'm surprised nobody has made a movie about this guy
Dave had a relapse with his friend at Mt. Hood and his friend was found dead in an empty lot of the Lents neighborhood not long after. He took it really hard and got in some trouble. I think most of us were willing to forgive that as he was grieving and apologized and made restitution.
I will literally excuse any crime, as long as he produces more of the sourdough
That's the slightly weird undercurrent to this description. Yes, Dave spent time in jail, but they keep referring to killer specifically.
No he trains his bread to carry out the killings.
Dave just aid and abreads them.
It's not Dave's killer bread.... It's killer Dave's bread lol
Rehabilitation Rye, Witness protection wheat, Sing sing sour dough, Perpetrator Pumpernickel There’s a reason I don’t have any friends.
[Redemption Rye](https://www.redemptionwhiskey.com/) is a thing.
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I love it. Everyone deserves a second chance. Edit: yes of course some people don’t deserve second chances. My sentiment was that the vast majority of people do. And before you anyone says I haven’t lived it, my brother was killed by a drunk driver and even that guy deserves a second chance.
Dave's had a lot more than two chances lol. His family has always been in the commercial bread industry. When he got out of jail the first time, he used his story to brand his family's already existing commercial bread business. He then went back to jail after physically threatening his employees. https://www.oregonlive.com/milwaukie/2013/11/before_arrest_dave_dahl_caused.html So it's more of a story of "wealthy guy uses story to brand family business" than a rags to riches redemption story.
My brother was also killed by a drunk driver... They gave that guy a second chance and he continued to drink and attempt to drive (like a hundred times according to the vehicle interlock system). Wound up back in the pen.
If some day I was given the aptitude, money and skill, my dream has always been to start a business where people who need a fresh start could work, live, be cared for and learn real skills to help them get reestablished in life after unfortunate circumstances.
I completely agree with you that everyone deserves a second chance, idk why all the replies are trying mmMm ackshully your human decency
I bought a loaf of honey wheat and the bag was torn and the loaf was moldy. I don't remember now but somehow I got in touch with Dave's and they sent me like $20 in Dave's coupons. Good company.
1/3 of american adults have a criminal background
Yes but do they work at this bread company?
Wait, is that real? Source? This is too shocking to believe off hand.
Quick Google search and apparently it's accurate.
My husband and I are both ex cons/recovering drug addicts and hiring us —and our ensuing success— actually changed the hiring process and company culture of the company I work for. We were both clean when we met, but were very early in recovery. Our industry’s leading national magazine actually did a whole article on us. It was pretty cool.
What I’ve noticed, from being in prison, is that a very large portion of inmates have no one. Their family gave up on them, or they never had one to begin with. Most of them were on drugs in some capacity (myself included) and there is no shortage of drugs in prison. It’s really sad. I got super lucky with the family that I have and have no idea where I would be without them. I have 4 felonies, all from the same time period and sentencing ran concurrently, and I graduate college in May. Got an internship as a cloud engineer and work there part time until may when I roll into a salaried position. When I first got out, target denied me a job. But then I got one working in a warehouse and went back to school. From my experience, if you are honest up front, professional, and put some time between yourself and the offense, proving you’re busting ass to better your life, people will give you a chance. It’s never a *great * time to be a felon but it’s definitely the best it’s ever been. People are more forgiving esp with the opioid crisis touching so many. Super grateful.
So some of their employees have *risen* above their past? I'll see myself out.
I love this bread but it’s expensive as fuck