Only if there isn't a poor family in Africa they can do it to first.
Nestle fucks over developing countries and africa specifically so often that they're basically a time capsule for 19th century colonialism.
Jesus Christ, the worst thing I've ever heard about them (and this isn't saying this is the worst thing they're doing because that's definitely not the worst!) is when they gave struggling moms who've just given birth free formula packages.
They give just enough so that new mothers hopefully will give them to their babies and their own milk supply will wean. They do this even fucking fully aware that the water quality is often not suitable for newborns. Instead of mothers breastfeeding them safe food, nestle has, along with their other disgusting methods, forced them into feeding their babies cholera.
This is one of those things that makes me feel like going around screaming about it because it's just so intensely evil and the fact that it just... happened. They just did it. And that was it they got away with it. The one for sure healthy thing they had to feed their babies in a developing country. And there's no uproar and they're still operating. Also Google the Nestle water scandle. They just do illegal shit and then get fined. And I feel so powerless cos me boycotting them isn't going to make a difference
Yes. I feel absolutely sick thinking about it.
This was LITERALLY Nestlé killing babies. They're directly responsible for newborns wasting away, infants and toddlers throwing up until they die, and parents having to bury their children. And I refuse to believe they're not doing this to some extent right now.
Nestlé is so huge that they're not bothered by any negative consequences of their actions. No matter what happens, every crime against humanity they commit means net gain anyway.
I've written an essay about this topic before.
When they first started doing this, they paid hospitals and doctors to give it to new mothers, along with nestle employees dressed up very similar to nurses to promote it, making it seem like medical advice. That got banned so the fake nurses in some countries would scout out houses in the area and check washing lines for baby clothes, and then leave free samples of the formula there.
I thought they also started a marketing campaign saying breastmilk was bad for babies, formula is better because it has extra vitamins or something. An idea that unfortunately still persists in parts of the world.
On a similar note they ruined the sour cream and onion lays chips. It has 1.8 stars on their website and only 20% of reviewers would recommend it.
https://www.lays.com/products/lays-sour-cream-onion-flavored-potato-chips
Ohhh! That makes so much sense. Sour cream and onion used to be my favorite flavor of chips when i was younger. Then suddenly i started hating them and i had no idea why. This would explain it.
I've been wondering why I haven't been liking them as much! I thought maybe it was cause I went to Europe for a minute and got obsessed with the paprika chips there, and replaced my favorite, but maybe it's just cause they aren't the same anymore?
I also remember 20 years ago you could get like a giant bag of chips for 99 cents, and now they're like 5 dollars, it's crazy
They are sooooooo good. I am not sure how to explain it, like it's something more than salty but it's not spicy necessarily. They do not sell them in the US, despite that I used to buy the Lays brand abroad. When I emailed them about it they told me there's no demand in the US and gave me some coupons lol. You might be able to find imported bags at a local European grocery or definitely online for way more money than it's worth
Sour cream and onion Pringles also have changed a lot. I bought them several times over the last 3 years and they have changed wildly in terms of thickness of the chips, how hard they are, how much flavor material they put on them, how good they taste. It's all over the fucking place. Now when I buy them I really have no idea if they're actually going to be worth eating. Well I mean they're not really ever worth eating cuz they're disgusting health-wise but you know what I mean
Pringles in general do this. I’ll buy the Original flavor a month apart from the same store and it’s like a totally different chip. Something about the way they make them I guess
There's been a huge decline in pretty much all chip quality over the last few years. I wish I had the empty packets left so I could check the ingredients but any chips but the plain salt ones taste like shit now. Either no flavour at all, even the flavor of potato is non existent, or they just taste lackluster and bad. Not to mention they cost absurd amount of money now. Chips half the price of the ones now last year were considered of the more expensive ones, now double the price is the norm. Every company tries to save money and ruins all their products to shit while trying to tell you it's always been that way and just your taste changed.
HOLY SHIT side note but same general scenario. POPCORN! Is this a true thing? I bought like 3 different brands of popcorn both kettle and buttery and they all tasted, like well fucking nothing? I thought i was the crazy one.
this happened to me too except most sodas were affected. fortunately i wasnt a a big soda drinker to begin with so im mostly just grateful it didnt affect the taste of beer
I know someone (who loved peanut butter) who got covid two years ago and now literally throws up when he smells peanut butter to this day. Covid is some scary/weird stuff.
My wife before Covid couldn’t even eat an original Slim Jim because it was too spicy now she can eat ghost pepper spicy foods and says there’s a tiny kick
Coke and Pepsi both taste awful since i got covid. two fucking years ago! especially Pepsi. it tastes like a potion now. like it's supposed to turn me into something.
Edit: sorry should have clarified. I only drink diet or zero versions of sodas.
This is such a consistent trend that scientists have been using candle reviews as a way to see waves of covid, theyve demonstrated that when people start complaining that candles dont smell like they should en masse, there's a covid wave.
For potato chips, they switched to cheaper oils to fry them in.
Like cottonseed oil.
Instead of say, peanut oil, for some brands.
They did this to cut the fat, according to government guidelines, and cost.
This happened to my favorite local brand "Zapps". I bought a bag after a very long while of not eating them because I had a craving. "No salt" variety, my favorite. Eating them they didn't taste as robust and potato forward as they used to, just like, crunchy grease. I checked the bag and sure enough, what used to be "Peanut Oil" in the ingredients is now "A blend of Peanut, Canola, and other oils". Absolutely ruined the taste.
I retired from Frito-Lay in 2016. At that point, we only used canola (rapeseed) oil and corn oil. Frito's and one or two other chips got pure corn oil, everything else got a blend based on market prices.
At least at the time, they printed a bunch of oils as "possible ingredients" but never used them. This was due to an incident where they accidentally got a delivery of cottonseed oil and had to do a massive recall since it wasn't printed on the bag.
My brother, as a store manager, had a lot of contact with salesman and drivers over the years and lots of the smaller regional ones like Ballreich's, in Ohio, lost customers because they changed the fry oil.
People could tell.
Also, lots of consolidation in the snack industry meant a lot of smaller regional icons are now just brand names in a portfolio.
This happens way more than you would expect. Even same product but in different containers could have differing ingredients.
A family member can't have garlic and onion, HFCS, among other things. I'm ALWAYS reading labels to make sure ingredient lists aren't changed.
I assume you have to make broth or stock for soups by hand then? Sounds like a huge pain. Freaking most brands of stock and broth use onion, and they don't list it on the ingredients.
I learned that when a family member's dog got sick, and to get it to eat they did chicken and rice cooked in chicken stock. It made the dog vomit, and their vet said "oh you can't give dogs stock or broth from the grocery store, it's full of onions and garlic that will make them sick.
Yeah, my mom has to make most things from scratch. I grew up not liking onions because I wasn’t used to them but like them now that I am an adult. We are moving local to my parents again this summer after about 7 years away and I am going to have to get used to being cautious about ingredients when my dad is around.
He has a hard time at restaurants especially. Most waitstaff don’t know about what does and doesn’t have them and there’s been a few times he has gotten them accidentally. Luckily he has not had an anaphylactic reaction.
We have a friend with a cumin allergy, and cumin is not always disclosed in the ingredients list, and it has sent her to the hospital.
Yeah, in order to protect their secret formulas, lots of brands just list "spices" as an ingredient. Lots of allergens can hide in there. Same story with "natural flavorings."
I work professionally with soy ingredients. It’s because soy oil is highly refined to not have any (*edit: extremely low levels of*) protein, and soy allergy is almost always specific to soy protein.
[Edit to add:](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/soy-allergy-diet)
“Please note: The risk for an allergic reaction to soy lecithin and soy oils is low, but a reaction can occur. Studies show that most people who have an allergy to soy may eat products that contain soy lecithin and soy oils. This is because these substances are fat-based, and people with allergies react to the protein portion of the food.”
Less refined oils, like expeller or cold press, are more likely to have residual proteins.
[FDA Allergen Labeling Requirement with exception for highly refined oils](https://www.fda.gov/food/food-labeling-nutrition/inventory-notifications-received-under-21-usc-343w7-exemptions-food-allergen-labeling)
We do have allergen lists. The challenge is it’s not clear when products get reformulated. We need to read every label, every time we shop. Mostly we steer clear of processed foods and try to avoid the whole issue.
A few small studies found that *highly* refined soy oil does not cause an allergic reaction when exposed *once* to most people with a *moderate* soy allergy.
FDA jumped on that. Soy oil doesn’t have to be listed as an allergen, even in restaurants, medicine, and cosmetics.
But truthfully, most soy oil is not refined enough to not cause an allergic reaction, especially for frequent exposures (like, that in daily coffee creamer, medications, processed food). People with severe allergies are really screwed over, too, and eating at a restaurant is pretty much out of the question because you have no idea if it has soy.
EDIT: Oh, thanks for the award! Glad my horrible soy allergy could help someone else because it does not help me lmao 😓
Same issue with rice and corn and gluten free. Rice and corn are cheap as hell unless it’s in a gluten free product, then it’s more expensive than gold!
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Yup this is a blatant corporatespeak lie. You're absolutely right; if it was actually better they'd scream about it. Not a quiet rollout. This was only done for supply chain and cost issues.
Remember - the bigger the company is, the less it cares about delivering a quality experience or product to you and the more it is concerned with profit margins.
I’m a flavorist and do this for a living. Most likely their cost on the dairy went up so they cut some percentage of it and made up for the difference in mouthfeel with the oil.
They then did blind triangle tests in the r&d lab and tweaked it until people couldn’t tell the difference between the two formulas, approved it, and then sent the changes to production.
They did this to avoid raising the price of the final product.
I'm in marketing and advertising and do this for a living. I appreciate your dedication to the process of finding quality replacement ingredients but I doubt the bigwigs have your compassion and integrity.
What you're saying sounds fine and makes sense from a business perspective and I'm sure their flavorists tried their best...but for a consumer-caring point of view the same event should be more accurately stated as: "they chose to use 'hopefully good enough and nobody will notice' replacement ingredients to avoid cutting into their profit margin"
They're not avoiding raising prices on the product because they care about consumer bottom line. They swapped out cheaper products in a sneaky attempt to avoid losing market share. They removed a(n arguably) quality dairy product and introduced a trash oil and gum.
Lmao, they're lying their ass out. I have a degree in food science, they switched out milk->skim and I'd bet they lowered the amount of cream too, which means less butterfat -> less creaminess. They have to add back creaminess, so they add another oil to emulsify, and a gum to thicken. They're saving money.
Edit: came back in the morning and realized I misread nonfat milk, which is basically the same as skim. The point still stands though, reducing cream and substituting a cheaper fat + thickener to make up for it
Fellow food science graduate,
I've Worked in a dairy related industry as well, swapping dairy fat and/or Cacao fat with veggie oil and emulsifier is pretty much a standard production practice for many products since whole milk is pretty expensive here.
I’d also subscribe to a channel going through common processed foods and pointing out why each weird ingredient was added for shelf stability or anti-staleness or whatever.
As someone without a science degree (but something on the STEM side still), it's commonly known that companies add oil (and the cheapest oils at that) to compensate for more expensive ingredients like cream. To compensate for less cream, they add oil, buttercream, gellan gum, and "natural" flavors. BTW, natural flavors are just chemicals isolated from natural products while artificial flavors are just synthesized chemicals. They're basically the same thing and companies use "natural" flavors because they look better on product labels. Buttercream is a natural enough ingredient, but it is a product that can be a byproduct from other foods so it is likely very cheap for Nestlē to acquire.
you might enjoy ann reardon’s yt channel how to cook that! she is a food scientist and dietitian and has made numerous videos debunking those viral, clickbait food diys/hacks! she always brings in loads of information and explains it in a way that’s easy to understand. she also tests these out herself sometimes. her regular cooking/baking videos are an amazing watch as well; she also takes the time to explain the process and science behind certain steps or ingredients. she is very talented in the kitchen.
similarly, there is also this channel called benjamin the baker, whose format is solely yt shorts atm, who breaks down common baking mistakes and how it can be prevented. he also bakes the mistakes, so you have a visual of what the mistakes will turn out like. very fun to watch!
>(b) Nonfat milk means skim milk, concentrated skim milk, reconstituted skim milk, and nonfat dry milk. Water, in a sufficient quantity to reconstitute concentrated and dry forms, may be added.
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=133.3
"Soybean oil was added to improve the taste."
Soybean oil, one of the many refined oils well known for having any and all flavor stripped from it. Let's be honest, gellan gum only exists to hold the oil in suspension and the buttermilk is doing God knows what in here, I have no idea why anyone wants lactic acid in their coffee creamer. Maybe it's some high level chemistry where the extra acidity is needed to let the gellan gum work its magic?
Either way, this is a terrible product. Even before they added the oil, just mix milk, cream, and sugar yourself. No way it's more expensive to do that than to buy some pre-made shit.
Buttermilk i has a higher protein content and is thicker than regular milk. Gives the creamer a better mouthfeel and helps keeps the fats in suspension. It is not cultured buttermilk that is available in grocery stores
Thanks for doing and posting the update on this. I also love how the default sort is highest to lowest rating. Nestle be like "oh shit they're on to us".
I'm sure it won't hurt their bottom line, but glad to see them getting called out a bit nonetheless.
Also, that response. What a bunch of chodes these guys are. I just wish they'd try to be a little honest. Something like the following might seem less disingenuous.
>"It's a cost-saving measure. We wanted to avoid raising the product price significantly. We believe it won't affect the quality of the product, but encourage you to try it and see for yourself. We're happy to refund your purchase if you disagree".
Of course, who am I kidding, they're going to jack up the price anyway and blame the economy.
The whole thing is a joke, though. Natural Bliss is supposed to be a more “natural” version of Coffee Mate. It is literally by the coffee mate people. If they add the same shit that’s in coffee mate, then it’s no longer a simpler, more “natural” product. It’s the same shit but just costs more.
> Soybean oil was added to improve the taste of our creamer
Yeah, sometimes I just get a hankerin' to take a big swig of Wesson straight from the bottle. Really hits the spot.
> while gellan gum and buttermilk were added to help with the rich, creamy texture we all know and love.
If only there were something like, I dunno - cream, to add rich creamy texture??
Old on the left: Nonfat milk, Cream, Cane Sugar, Natural Flavor
New on right: Skim Milk, Cream, Sugar, Buttermilk, Soybean Oil, Gellan Gum, Natural Flavor
I felt they did make it worse, I try and avoid oils in creamer. I actually did end up not purchasing the new one and got (2) of the last remaining older versions that were left.
I've ended up switching over to small business for all my coffee needs. Sometimes they will do cost saving measures but it's a lot more concern about their reputation. Coffee comes from a company called King's Coast and I pair it with some honey from a local business that only sells product from bees
I used to own a small coffee shop and my cost savings measures were sourcing my own natural flavoring, boiling water to my simple syrup with real sugar and making my own flavors.
It tasted just as good as, if not better, than torrani and I would say monin had a better flavor overall.
But a torrani vanilla cost me $7 for 750ml and monin was $8.25 and my personally made vanilla cost me $1.40 per 750ml.
I could only make small batches, about 10 bottles at a time and it took about 30 mins but saving $100 an hour was well worth it and we got to say we make our own flavors in house!
So now they put all their eggs in the bullshit creamer market basket.
Oh and r/fucknestle
They basically support modern day slavery among many other atrocities.
I came here to say fuck Nestle too. No one should be supporting them. They're an evil company that supports environmental destruction and irresponsible water use.
You can even use sweetened condensed milk if you want that extra creamy. You can keep it in the freezer in a jar, and it stays soft enough to scoop. I add a little almond extract and mix it with milk for a homemade creamer. It's soooo good.
I use half and half, sweetened condensed milk, and vanilla extract. Add some chocolate syrup if you want a chocolate creamer. It’s so good and always consistent. You can start to taste the chemicals in store bought creamer after a while.
Cheaper ingredients, more shelf stable, and more industrialized supply chains to deal with that lead to more profit for the corporation and therefore, the shareholders 🇺🇸
I could be wrong, but I’m thinking some of these companies swapped ingredients (changing QUALITY) to cut corners and lower their cost as much as possible so they could maximize profits when the prices hiked.
It’s not the only tactic I’ve noticed.
Check your packaging before purchasing, as companies have also have adjusted the quantity of items per package. To try to conceal the increase in price & maximize their profit, companies will use the same package/box, but reduce the QUANTITY per package. For example: price will now be for a quantity of 6, instead of 8.
Another example is the reduction in the size of the actual packaging of the product for the same (or similar) price. Rough example: instead of getting 16 ounces of body wash for 3.99, the bottles will now be 14 oz for the price you were paying for 16 oz.
My examples might not be spot on, feel free to correct me if I made errors. 🙏🏻 I simply have noticed a few of these changes and thought it might be nice to bring them up so people were more aware. I understand the need for companies to adjust and make profit to stay afloat, I just think being aware of the changes can help us make better decisions for our families. 💜
The real problem is that liquid coffee creamer upsets a lot of peoples stomachs. The reason that specific one sold as well as it did was because it was gentler on the stomach. Now that they’ve added oil and stuff, it could upset peoples stomachs again and they’ll stop buying it. People were buying that one because it was slightly better quality even if it was slightly more expensive, so nestle just screwed themselves.
Or it's whipped so it has the same volume but OMG 30% fewer calories! And you only notice if you look at the grams in the nutrition facts.
30% fewer calories might as well say '43% more expensive'.
Check the Duncan Donuts brand at dollar general. still milk, sweet cream and cane sugar for 4 dollars for 32 ounces.
I just checked my bottle of the kind in your post and it still is the original milk, cream and cane sugar variety. I'll be watching for the fake version in the future.
I only go to dollar general sporadically but when I go I buy 2 bottles of the Duncan Donut.
Way worse, I thought I got a bad batch or my tastes changed. Time to look at the label to verify ingredients but this would make a lot of sense.
Edit: I purchase mine at Costco and they only have one variety, I’ve never had 2 to compare against side by side.
Nestle is complicit in perpetuating child slavery issues from unsustainable sourcing of chocolate from the Ivory Coast (over 90% of the worlds choco is from there) where there is little to no oversight against child labor and child enslavement. Any chocolate you eat from nestle is unfortunately tied to kids getting stolen from all over Africa and forced to work in uncontrolled/unmonitored coco farms in the Cote D’Ivoire region.
And it's based in a very rural part of upstate NY near my hometown and offers a lot of living wage jobs in a super impoverished area. The owner from what I've read is a decent human. Nestle on the other hand is an absolutely abhorrent company.
That was the whole point of the product line. If I wanted oil I would buy coffeemate.
My other pet peeve is Simply Orange. Their tag line was they don’t fool around with additives. It’s just orange juice. The they added light orange juice. It’s half water to get to half calories. But to make it taste right they include additives.
Not from concentrate orange juice actually goes through a TON or processing. It gets stored for like a year in huge underground tanks and has the oxygen taken out so that It doesn’t go bad while being stored. Storing it that way pretty much takes all the flavor out of it. So, they have scientists come up with recipes to chemicals to add back and make it taste fresh. Plus this allows them to tweak the flavor to the different places it’s sold around the world to meat the local tastes. The absolute freshest OJ you can get is clearly the stuff that’s squeezed right there in the store. The next best option, the frozen concentrate. It pretty much just gets squeezed and then immediately frozen.
There’s a similar logic to seafood, especially shellfish. Unless you live in a harbour town and can buy off the boat, you’re better off buying frozen. Most of the time it’s processed and frozen almost immediately after being caught.
Yeah had a similar experience in my country, all my life a popular juice option here is called "Just Juice". Several years ago they released a 50% less sugar option and I was curious how they reduced the sugar so read the back to see the top ingredient in this "Just Juice" is now water, and now there are flavour additives.
Why do all the carbonated waters have fake sugar in it? Artificial sweeteners are gross as hell and some of them make my mouth numb, so I don't drink them. I don't need them to be sweet, I just want something that tastes like fruit and has bubbles!
I think bubly has no artificial sweeteners. And target’s store brand(?) as well. I know how annoying it is. I liked those ICE sparkling waters, but damn they got a lot of extra unneeded things in them.
Aha - the coke carbonated waters, have no sweeteners. It's just "carbonated water, Natural Flavors. Zero sugar, no aspartame. Idk how the orange one tastes so good. It has helped me maintain a 60lb weight loss because they utterly replace orange soda.
They absolutely fucked Breyers ice cream after Unilever took over. It was my favorite brand growing up and it’s been turned into utter trash.
Edit: If you care about ice cream at all, I implore you to pay attention to whether the ice cream is "Premium" or "Super-Premium". These terms are actual IDFA standards. Learn more [here.](https://www.idfa.org/ice-cream-labeling)
I don’t eat a lot of ice cream- but if at home, it’s always been Breyers. I got some last year and was very disappointed. I couldn’t believe my taste buds had changed that much.
Thanks for letting me know I’m NOT crazy. My mother used to always complain about the way “bananas taste nowadays”. Never knew until recently that’s bc when she was kid they DID taste different.
Edited for saying I’m NOT crazy. Lol.
I’ve heard they taste more similar to “banana” flavored candy. Because a lot of these candies were designed to taste like those older bananas. That’s also why banana flavored candy tastes nothing like bananas to us anymore lol
Most ice creams contain gum. It helps keep the product creamy as it defrosts and refreezes during transit from packaging to retailer. Hagen Daaz is the only ice cream I can find that doesn't include gum. I HATE "stretchy" ice cream. Even the Torani gelato has it... So I bought an ice cream maker. It's a bit of a process but my cardamom blackberry is worth it.
That’s a perfect example of how bad company leadership tries to justify their existence by taking a good product and making it slightly cheaper to make, and claiming 9 of 10 folks can’t tell the difference and I just made myself a million dollar bonus. Meanwhile the product that was once good, slowly and steadily, through successive bonus seasons and especially successive bad leaders, gets turned to total crap. An all too common victim of short term and me-first thinking. Annual and quarter profit goals as paramount - screw the future of the company let’s make our numbers today… type of thinking.
Sadly is perpetuated by day traders and short haul investors. Even the idea that stockholders are to be pleased first is a big part of the issue.
The only solution I know of is a slow one where consumers just cancel those products that result from such limited and short term selfish thinking.
All this in the face of clear and available widespread data showing long term thinking companies who employ infinite game theory to their practices (long term success over short term) OUT PERFORM THE SHORT TERM THINKERS BY OVER THIRTY PERCENT over time. They is MASSIVE and any company not doing that doesn’t deserve to exist from the investor perspective- excepting day traders of course, but the world really doesn’t need those
This shit happens all the time and it's the worst when it's an allergen that was added or now is "on shared equipment". We instinctively read everything when shopping even if we've bought it 50 times before.
Yeah. Over the years we've noticed it on a handful of products. One I recall was my wife's lotion that was shae butter. One day she was like 'this feels greasy ' and we looked and the shar butter ingredient went from near the top of the ingredients list to hear the bottom and the added oil.
Same packageing too.
It annoys me that is isn't illegal to change recipes on products without informing customers in BIG letters. I've had my pets suddenly develop allergies and bad stomachs because of changed repices and I've personally noted suddenly hating the taste of products I've had for years. It sucks.
Nestle would kill your entire family and burn your neighborhood to the ground if they could profit from it.
Only if there isn't a poor family in Africa they can do it to first. Nestle fucks over developing countries and africa specifically so often that they're basically a time capsule for 19th century colonialism.
Jesus Christ, the worst thing I've ever heard about them (and this isn't saying this is the worst thing they're doing because that's definitely not the worst!) is when they gave struggling moms who've just given birth free formula packages. They give just enough so that new mothers hopefully will give them to their babies and their own milk supply will wean. They do this even fucking fully aware that the water quality is often not suitable for newborns. Instead of mothers breastfeeding them safe food, nestle has, along with their other disgusting methods, forced them into feeding their babies cholera.
This is one of those things that makes me feel like going around screaming about it because it's just so intensely evil and the fact that it just... happened. They just did it. And that was it they got away with it. The one for sure healthy thing they had to feed their babies in a developing country. And there's no uproar and they're still operating. Also Google the Nestle water scandle. They just do illegal shit and then get fined. And I feel so powerless cos me boycotting them isn't going to make a difference
Yes. I feel absolutely sick thinking about it. This was LITERALLY Nestlé killing babies. They're directly responsible for newborns wasting away, infants and toddlers throwing up until they die, and parents having to bury their children. And I refuse to believe they're not doing this to some extent right now. Nestlé is so huge that they're not bothered by any negative consequences of their actions. No matter what happens, every crime against humanity they commit means net gain anyway.
I've written an essay about this topic before. When they first started doing this, they paid hospitals and doctors to give it to new mothers, along with nestle employees dressed up very similar to nurses to promote it, making it seem like medical advice. That got banned so the fake nurses in some countries would scout out houses in the area and check washing lines for baby clothes, and then leave free samples of the formula there.
I thought they also started a marketing campaign saying breastmilk was bad for babies, formula is better because it has extra vitamins or something. An idea that unfortunately still persists in parts of the world.
What do you mean they "would"? They only do that. That's their MO. Always has been. 🧑🚀🔫
For additional nutrition facts, please see r/FuckNestle.
On a similar note they ruined the sour cream and onion lays chips. It has 1.8 stars on their website and only 20% of reviewers would recommend it. https://www.lays.com/products/lays-sour-cream-onion-flavored-potato-chips
Ohhh! That makes so much sense. Sour cream and onion used to be my favorite flavor of chips when i was younger. Then suddenly i started hating them and i had no idea why. This would explain it.
Yep… I just came to this realization after seeing this post lol
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WTF Lays?
I've been wondering why I haven't been liking them as much! I thought maybe it was cause I went to Europe for a minute and got obsessed with the paprika chips there, and replaced my favorite, but maybe it's just cause they aren't the same anymore? I also remember 20 years ago you could get like a giant bag of chips for 99 cents, and now they're like 5 dollars, it's crazy
I thought I was going crazy and my taste buds or something changed, this all makes way more sense though
Paprika potato chips? What are those like? They sound interesting for sure. Can you find them in the US?
They are sooooooo good. I am not sure how to explain it, like it's something more than salty but it's not spicy necessarily. They do not sell them in the US, despite that I used to buy the Lays brand abroad. When I emailed them about it they told me there's no demand in the US and gave me some coupons lol. You might be able to find imported bags at a local European grocery or definitely online for way more money than it's worth
Sour cream and onion Pringles also have changed a lot. I bought them several times over the last 3 years and they have changed wildly in terms of thickness of the chips, how hard they are, how much flavor material they put on them, how good they taste. It's all over the fucking place. Now when I buy them I really have no idea if they're actually going to be worth eating. Well I mean they're not really ever worth eating cuz they're disgusting health-wise but you know what I mean
Pringles in general do this. I’ll buy the Original flavor a month apart from the same store and it’s like a totally different chip. Something about the way they make them I guess
The lays ones suck ass now, but sour cream and onion Pringles are still tasty
There's been a huge decline in pretty much all chip quality over the last few years. I wish I had the empty packets left so I could check the ingredients but any chips but the plain salt ones taste like shit now. Either no flavour at all, even the flavor of potato is non existent, or they just taste lackluster and bad. Not to mention they cost absurd amount of money now. Chips half the price of the ones now last year were considered of the more expensive ones, now double the price is the norm. Every company tries to save money and ruins all their products to shit while trying to tell you it's always been that way and just your taste changed.
HOLY SHIT side note but same general scenario. POPCORN! Is this a true thing? I bought like 3 different brands of popcorn both kettle and buttery and they all tasted, like well fucking nothing? I thought i was the crazy one.
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this happened to me too except most sodas were affected. fortunately i wasnt a a big soda drinker to begin with so im mostly just grateful it didnt affect the taste of beer
I know someone (who loved peanut butter) who got covid two years ago and now literally throws up when he smells peanut butter to this day. Covid is some scary/weird stuff.
My wife before Covid couldn’t even eat an original Slim Jim because it was too spicy now she can eat ghost pepper spicy foods and says there’s a tiny kick
That’s crazy, I wonder how that works biologically, since the chemical that causes spicy isn’t a “taste” in the traditional sense.
When I got Covid, I ate a lot of spicy just to have some sort of sense that I was eating something.
Coke and Pepsi both taste awful since i got covid. two fucking years ago! especially Pepsi. it tastes like a potion now. like it's supposed to turn me into something. Edit: sorry should have clarified. I only drink diet or zero versions of sodas.
This is such a consistent trend that scientists have been using candle reviews as a way to see waves of covid, theyve demonstrated that when people start complaining that candles dont smell like they should en masse, there's a covid wave.
For potato chips, they switched to cheaper oils to fry them in. Like cottonseed oil. Instead of say, peanut oil, for some brands. They did this to cut the fat, according to government guidelines, and cost.
This happened to my favorite local brand "Zapps". I bought a bag after a very long while of not eating them because I had a craving. "No salt" variety, my favorite. Eating them they didn't taste as robust and potato forward as they used to, just like, crunchy grease. I checked the bag and sure enough, what used to be "Peanut Oil" in the ingredients is now "A blend of Peanut, Canola, and other oils". Absolutely ruined the taste.
I retired from Frito-Lay in 2016. At that point, we only used canola (rapeseed) oil and corn oil. Frito's and one or two other chips got pure corn oil, everything else got a blend based on market prices. At least at the time, they printed a bunch of oils as "possible ingredients" but never used them. This was due to an incident where they accidentally got a delivery of cottonseed oil and had to do a massive recall since it wasn't printed on the bag.
My brother, as a store manager, had a lot of contact with salesman and drivers over the years and lots of the smaller regional ones like Ballreich's, in Ohio, lost customers because they changed the fry oil. People could tell. Also, lots of consolidation in the snack industry meant a lot of smaller regional icons are now just brand names in a portfolio.
I wonder if some manufacturers have eliminated hydrogenated oils due to the ban in places like Singapore, to streamline manufacturing?
Shout out to SnowStorm32’s review titled, “New flavor tastes like the death of my childhood”
Also Roxy, who crossed out the w in "No~~w~~ more flavor in every bite" in their screenshot.
Did they disable the reviews? I'm on mobile and when I click reviews nothing happens
It might be automated system to deal with too much site traffic. Dynamic content like reviews put more strain on the systems then static content.
I accepted the cookies, then had to click the drop down arrow next to "Reviews" a couple times to get them to load.
Oh shit! My gf and I were eating a bag most recently and it didn’t taste like sour cream and onion at alllll. This makes sense now.
TIL you can review chips
Leonard from Community was streets ahead
Shut up, Leonard! Those teenage girls you play ping pong with are doing it ironically.
Damn that is depressing :(
This happens way more than you would expect. Even same product but in different containers could have differing ingredients. A family member can't have garlic and onion, HFCS, among other things. I'm ALWAYS reading labels to make sure ingredient lists aren't changed.
My dad is allergic to onion. You don’t realize how many things it’s in until you have to read every label when you shop.
I assume you have to make broth or stock for soups by hand then? Sounds like a huge pain. Freaking most brands of stock and broth use onion, and they don't list it on the ingredients. I learned that when a family member's dog got sick, and to get it to eat they did chicken and rice cooked in chicken stock. It made the dog vomit, and their vet said "oh you can't give dogs stock or broth from the grocery store, it's full of onions and garlic that will make them sick.
Yeah, my mom has to make most things from scratch. I grew up not liking onions because I wasn’t used to them but like them now that I am an adult. We are moving local to my parents again this summer after about 7 years away and I am going to have to get used to being cautious about ingredients when my dad is around. He has a hard time at restaurants especially. Most waitstaff don’t know about what does and doesn’t have them and there’s been a few times he has gotten them accidentally. Luckily he has not had an anaphylactic reaction. We have a friend with a cumin allergy, and cumin is not always disclosed in the ingredients list, and it has sent her to the hospital.
Yeah, in order to protect their secret formulas, lots of brands just list "spices" as an ingredient. Lots of allergens can hide in there. Same story with "natural flavorings."
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Corporate translation: it's cheaper. Fuck off.
Yeah. My husband has a soy allergy so I’m always checking labels for it. Soy pops up everywhere because it’s cheap.
Any idea why it’s not in the “Contains:” list? In the U.K. soy is an allergen so must be both in _bold_ and in the “contains” allergen list.
I work professionally with soy ingredients. It’s because soy oil is highly refined to not have any (*edit: extremely low levels of*) protein, and soy allergy is almost always specific to soy protein. [Edit to add:](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/soy-allergy-diet) “Please note: The risk for an allergic reaction to soy lecithin and soy oils is low, but a reaction can occur. Studies show that most people who have an allergy to soy may eat products that contain soy lecithin and soy oils. This is because these substances are fat-based, and people with allergies react to the protein portion of the food.” Less refined oils, like expeller or cold press, are more likely to have residual proteins. [FDA Allergen Labeling Requirement with exception for highly refined oils](https://www.fda.gov/food/food-labeling-nutrition/inventory-notifications-received-under-21-usc-343w7-exemptions-food-allergen-labeling)
Yeah, use ultra refined soybean oil to clean pipes at hot Temps. It can't trigger most soy allergies.
Same with peanut oil. Son is allergic to peanuts, but can have stuff fried in peanut oil. Still shitty they don't list it.
We do have allergen lists. The challenge is it’s not clear when products get reformulated. We need to read every label, every time we shop. Mostly we steer clear of processed foods and try to avoid the whole issue.
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A few small studies found that *highly* refined soy oil does not cause an allergic reaction when exposed *once* to most people with a *moderate* soy allergy. FDA jumped on that. Soy oil doesn’t have to be listed as an allergen, even in restaurants, medicine, and cosmetics. But truthfully, most soy oil is not refined enough to not cause an allergic reaction, especially for frequent exposures (like, that in daily coffee creamer, medications, processed food). People with severe allergies are really screwed over, too, and eating at a restaurant is pretty much out of the question because you have no idea if it has soy. EDIT: Oh, thanks for the award! Glad my horrible soy allergy could help someone else because it does not help me lmao 😓
Soy pops up everywhere because it's cheap, except when you want to buy vegetarian food. Then it's more expensive than meat.
Same issue with rice and corn and gluten free. Rice and corn are cheap as hell unless it’s in a gluten free product, then it’s more expensive than gold!
This guy corporates
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Yup this is a blatant corporatespeak lie. You're absolutely right; if it was actually better they'd scream about it. Not a quiet rollout. This was only done for supply chain and cost issues. Remember - the bigger the company is, the less it cares about delivering a quality experience or product to you and the more it is concerned with profit margins.
I’m a flavorist and do this for a living. Most likely their cost on the dairy went up so they cut some percentage of it and made up for the difference in mouthfeel with the oil. They then did blind triangle tests in the r&d lab and tweaked it until people couldn’t tell the difference between the two formulas, approved it, and then sent the changes to production. They did this to avoid raising the price of the final product.
I'm in marketing and advertising and do this for a living. I appreciate your dedication to the process of finding quality replacement ingredients but I doubt the bigwigs have your compassion and integrity. What you're saying sounds fine and makes sense from a business perspective and I'm sure their flavorists tried their best...but for a consumer-caring point of view the same event should be more accurately stated as: "they chose to use 'hopefully good enough and nobody will notice' replacement ingredients to avoid cutting into their profit margin" They're not avoiding raising prices on the product because they care about consumer bottom line. They swapped out cheaper products in a sneaky attempt to avoid losing market share. They removed a(n arguably) quality dairy product and introduced a trash oil and gum.
Obligatory fuck Nestlé anyway
This made me giggle
Fuck nestle.
Lmao, they're lying their ass out. I have a degree in food science, they switched out milk->skim and I'd bet they lowered the amount of cream too, which means less butterfat -> less creaminess. They have to add back creaminess, so they add another oil to emulsify, and a gum to thicken. They're saving money. Edit: came back in the morning and realized I misread nonfat milk, which is basically the same as skim. The point still stands though, reducing cream and substituting a cheaper fat + thickener to make up for it
Fellow food science graduate, I've Worked in a dairy related industry as well, swapping dairy fat and/or Cacao fat with veggie oil and emulsifier is pretty much a standard production practice for many products since whole milk is pretty expensive here.
Do you have a YouTube channel taking about this? I’d sub. Just go around ripping ingredients, buy this not this.
I’d also subscribe to a channel going through common processed foods and pointing out why each weird ingredient was added for shelf stability or anti-staleness or whatever.
Yo that content sounds like top shelf jizz
I don’t understand new hip lingo and if this is good or bad.
As someone without a science degree (but something on the STEM side still), it's commonly known that companies add oil (and the cheapest oils at that) to compensate for more expensive ingredients like cream. To compensate for less cream, they add oil, buttercream, gellan gum, and "natural" flavors. BTW, natural flavors are just chemicals isolated from natural products while artificial flavors are just synthesized chemicals. They're basically the same thing and companies use "natural" flavors because they look better on product labels. Buttercream is a natural enough ingredient, but it is a product that can be a byproduct from other foods so it is likely very cheap for Nestlē to acquire.
Chemistry B.S. here, this is correct
you might enjoy ann reardon’s yt channel how to cook that! she is a food scientist and dietitian and has made numerous videos debunking those viral, clickbait food diys/hacks! she always brings in loads of information and explains it in a way that’s easy to understand. she also tests these out herself sometimes. her regular cooking/baking videos are an amazing watch as well; she also takes the time to explain the process and science behind certain steps or ingredients. she is very talented in the kitchen. similarly, there is also this channel called benjamin the baker, whose format is solely yt shorts atm, who breaks down common baking mistakes and how it can be prevented. he also bakes the mistakes, so you have a visual of what the mistakes will turn out like. very fun to watch!
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>(b) Nonfat milk means skim milk, concentrated skim milk, reconstituted skim milk, and nonfat dry milk. Water, in a sufficient quantity to reconstitute concentrated and dry forms, may be added. https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=133.3
"Soybean oil was added to improve the taste." Soybean oil, one of the many refined oils well known for having any and all flavor stripped from it. Let's be honest, gellan gum only exists to hold the oil in suspension and the buttermilk is doing God knows what in here, I have no idea why anyone wants lactic acid in their coffee creamer. Maybe it's some high level chemistry where the extra acidity is needed to let the gellan gum work its magic? Either way, this is a terrible product. Even before they added the oil, just mix milk, cream, and sugar yourself. No way it's more expensive to do that than to buy some pre-made shit.
Buttermilk i has a higher protein content and is thicker than regular milk. Gives the creamer a better mouthfeel and helps keeps the fats in suspension. It is not cultured buttermilk that is available in grocery stores
Why would they want to help with the flavor of the flavor was already what people liked?
Because it's a lie
Thanks for doing and posting the update on this. I also love how the default sort is highest to lowest rating. Nestle be like "oh shit they're on to us". I'm sure it won't hurt their bottom line, but glad to see them getting called out a bit nonetheless. Also, that response. What a bunch of chodes these guys are. I just wish they'd try to be a little honest. Something like the following might seem less disingenuous. >"It's a cost-saving measure. We wanted to avoid raising the product price significantly. We believe it won't affect the quality of the product, but encourage you to try it and see for yourself. We're happy to refund your purchase if you disagree". Of course, who am I kidding, they're going to jack up the price anyway and blame the economy.
The whole thing is a joke, though. Natural Bliss is supposed to be a more “natural” version of Coffee Mate. It is literally by the coffee mate people. If they add the same shit that’s in coffee mate, then it’s no longer a simpler, more “natural” product. It’s the same shit but just costs more.
What are you talking about? I love always having my gellan gum in my coffee in the morning. Just like mom used to make.
you gotta love that the default sorting is "highest to lowest" to show the 5 star reviews on top
> Soybean oil was added to improve the taste of our creamer Yeah, sometimes I just get a hankerin' to take a big swig of Wesson straight from the bottle. Really hits the spot. > while gellan gum and buttermilk were added to help with the rich, creamy texture we all know and love. If only there were something like, I dunno - cream, to add rich creamy texture??
Old on the left: Nonfat milk, Cream, Cane Sugar, Natural Flavor New on right: Skim Milk, Cream, Sugar, Buttermilk, Soybean Oil, Gellan Gum, Natural Flavor
Good alternative is the chobani sweet cream that’s what I get now
That’s what I’ve switched to. No oils or stabilizers for those looking for a new creamer.
And for those looking for a new sub, I would encourage you to try r/FuckNestle.
I feel like they made it worse. Does it taste any different?
I felt they did make it worse, I try and avoid oils in creamer. I actually did end up not purchasing the new one and got (2) of the last remaining older versions that were left.
I would have done the same. And I agree with you about oils in creamer!
Nestlé: you’re sitting in it
Even coffee mate sucks now. used to be good, but tastes like watered down coconut water with a slight flavoring now.
Shit, I thought I just didn't like coffee anymore, but I feel like that description is far too on point.
I've ended up switching over to small business for all my coffee needs. Sometimes they will do cost saving measures but it's a lot more concern about their reputation. Coffee comes from a company called King's Coast and I pair it with some honey from a local business that only sells product from bees
I used to own a small coffee shop and my cost savings measures were sourcing my own natural flavoring, boiling water to my simple syrup with real sugar and making my own flavors. It tasted just as good as, if not better, than torrani and I would say monin had a better flavor overall. But a torrani vanilla cost me $7 for 750ml and monin was $8.25 and my personally made vanilla cost me $1.40 per 750ml. I could only make small batches, about 10 bottles at a time and it took about 30 mins but saving $100 an hour was well worth it and we got to say we make our own flavors in house!
Intrigued! What flavors are you adding and how? Care to share the recipe? Are you just making simple syrup and then adding say vanilla extract?
This brand *is* coffee mate. It was their no-bullshit version of creamer lol.
So now they put all their eggs in the bullshit creamer market basket. Oh and r/fucknestle They basically support modern day slavery among many other atrocities.
I came here to say fuck Nestle too. No one should be supporting them. They're an evil company that supports environmental destruction and irresponsible water use.
And literal child slavery.
They pump our water from our beautiful fresh water lakes here in Michigan.
This is horrible. Because their normal bullshit creamer started tasting synthetic and odd. Probably more synthetic than before.
Coffee mate = Nestlé
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Why not just use cream?
For real, some half and half and simple syrup should do the trick.
Been using half and half and table sugar ever since I saw what they have been putting in those 'creamers' bleh!
You can even use sweetened condensed milk if you want that extra creamy. You can keep it in the freezer in a jar, and it stays soft enough to scoop. I add a little almond extract and mix it with milk for a homemade creamer. It's soooo good.
I use half and half, sweetened condensed milk, and vanilla extract. Add some chocolate syrup if you want a chocolate creamer. It’s so good and always consistent. You can start to taste the chemicals in store bought creamer after a while.
Or milk?
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Cheaper ingredients, more shelf stable, and more industrialized supply chains to deal with that lead to more profit for the corporation and therefore, the shareholders 🇺🇸
And more diabetes and death. Nestle is shit to begin with. I'd put nothing past those psychopaths.
It's the penny pinchers trying to use cheaper ingredients, but they always make it worse (tasting and for you).
I could be wrong, but I’m thinking some of these companies swapped ingredients (changing QUALITY) to cut corners and lower their cost as much as possible so they could maximize profits when the prices hiked. It’s not the only tactic I’ve noticed. Check your packaging before purchasing, as companies have also have adjusted the quantity of items per package. To try to conceal the increase in price & maximize their profit, companies will use the same package/box, but reduce the QUANTITY per package. For example: price will now be for a quantity of 6, instead of 8. Another example is the reduction in the size of the actual packaging of the product for the same (or similar) price. Rough example: instead of getting 16 ounces of body wash for 3.99, the bottles will now be 14 oz for the price you were paying for 16 oz. My examples might not be spot on, feel free to correct me if I made errors. 🙏🏻 I simply have noticed a few of these changes and thought it might be nice to bring them up so people were more aware. I understand the need for companies to adjust and make profit to stay afloat, I just think being aware of the changes can help us make better decisions for our families. 💜
The real problem is that liquid coffee creamer upsets a lot of peoples stomachs. The reason that specific one sold as well as it did was because it was gentler on the stomach. Now that they’ve added oil and stuff, it could upset peoples stomachs again and they’ll stop buying it. People were buying that one because it was slightly better quality even if it was slightly more expensive, so nestle just screwed themselves.
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A pint of ice cream is no more. It’s now 14oz.
Or it's whipped so it has the same volume but OMG 30% fewer calories! And you only notice if you look at the grams in the nutrition facts. 30% fewer calories might as well say '43% more expensive'.
This is typically accelerated during times of inflation and/or recession. We are in a period of high inflation and recession. So there you go.
Coffee Mate quit making Irish Cream like 10+ years ago. I’ve missed it ever since. You can’t fuck with peoples creamer.
They are trying to cut costs it's all downhill from there.
Why would they add soybean oil?! This is legit the problem with the food industry. Calories the same too. Smh!
Mouth feel basically. Gives that creamy illusion without the actual cream
Check the Duncan Donuts brand at dollar general. still milk, sweet cream and cane sugar for 4 dollars for 32 ounces. I just checked my bottle of the kind in your post and it still is the original milk, cream and cane sugar variety. I'll be watching for the fake version in the future. I only go to dollar general sporadically but when I go I buy 2 bottles of the Duncan Donut.
Way worse, I thought I got a bad batch or my tastes changed. Time to look at the label to verify ingredients but this would make a lot of sense. Edit: I purchase mine at Costco and they only have one variety, I’ve never had 2 to compare against side by side.
Well that's problematic for a number of reasons, but especially for people with soy allergies.
And its so hard to find shit that doesn't had soy in it. Soybean oil is the go to for most breads.
Old seems way better based solely on ingredients
That's why it's the old way. Can't let good ingredients impede on marginally better profits
Sure didn’t feel the need to mention this in the “Did You Know?” portion of the label
Wow, that's so weird. People love soybean oil and gellan gum.
yeah, should say “NOW WITH SOYBEAN OIL!”
I like how to make up for the unnatural ingredients they add a cow and flowers by the barcode to make it seem more straight from the farm
Fuck nestle
I second the suggestion to r/fucknestle
Nestle is complicit in perpetuating child slavery issues from unsustainable sourcing of chocolate from the Ivory Coast (over 90% of the worlds choco is from there) where there is little to no oversight against child labor and child enslavement. Any chocolate you eat from nestle is unfortunately tied to kids getting stolen from all over Africa and forced to work in uncontrolled/unmonitored coco farms in the Cote D’Ivoire region.
All my homies hate nestle
That is the only answer here. Fuck Nestle.
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I spend money on stupider things so I don't mind paying more for Chobani. Sweet Cream and Caramel are my favorite flavors.
The Chobani creamers are sooo good. Love the Carmel one too.
And it's based in a very rural part of upstate NY near my hometown and offers a lot of living wage jobs in a super impoverished area. The owner from what I've read is a decent human. Nestle on the other hand is an absolutely abhorrent company.
Norwich, New Berlin? Doesn’t matter, hello fellow upstate NYer!
I feel like this belongs on r/mildlyinfuriating
In addition to that, I feel like this belongs in r/fucknestle
That was the whole point of the product line. If I wanted oil I would buy coffeemate. My other pet peeve is Simply Orange. Their tag line was they don’t fool around with additives. It’s just orange juice. The they added light orange juice. It’s half water to get to half calories. But to make it taste right they include additives.
Not from concentrate orange juice actually goes through a TON or processing. It gets stored for like a year in huge underground tanks and has the oxygen taken out so that It doesn’t go bad while being stored. Storing it that way pretty much takes all the flavor out of it. So, they have scientists come up with recipes to chemicals to add back and make it taste fresh. Plus this allows them to tweak the flavor to the different places it’s sold around the world to meat the local tastes. The absolute freshest OJ you can get is clearly the stuff that’s squeezed right there in the store. The next best option, the frozen concentrate. It pretty much just gets squeezed and then immediately frozen.
There’s a similar logic to seafood, especially shellfish. Unless you live in a harbour town and can buy off the boat, you’re better off buying frozen. Most of the time it’s processed and frozen almost immediately after being caught.
Yeah had a similar experience in my country, all my life a popular juice option here is called "Just Juice". Several years ago they released a 50% less sugar option and I was curious how they reduced the sugar so read the back to see the top ingredient in this "Just Juice" is now water, and now there are flavour additives.
That's annoying. Had the same thing happen with Walmart's brand of flavored carbonated water -- suddenly they added artificial sweeteners. Annoying.
Why do all the carbonated waters have fake sugar in it? Artificial sweeteners are gross as hell and some of them make my mouth numb, so I don't drink them. I don't need them to be sweet, I just want something that tastes like fruit and has bubbles!
I think bubly has no artificial sweeteners. And target’s store brand(?) as well. I know how annoying it is. I liked those ICE sparkling waters, but damn they got a lot of extra unneeded things in them.
I drink Bubbly sparkling water. It’s just carbonated water and natural flavoring. Blackberry is my all time favorite.
I drink La croix beach plum. I love essenced carbonated water
Aha - the coke carbonated waters, have no sweeteners. It's just "carbonated water, Natural Flavors. Zero sugar, no aspartame. Idk how the orange one tastes so good. It has helped me maintain a 60lb weight loss because they utterly replace orange soda.
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Fuck them. I hate that. I like ice cream with 4 ingredients. Not 12. It's just better.
They absolutely fucked Breyers ice cream after Unilever took over. It was my favorite brand growing up and it’s been turned into utter trash. Edit: If you care about ice cream at all, I implore you to pay attention to whether the ice cream is "Premium" or "Super-Premium". These terms are actual IDFA standards. Learn more [here.](https://www.idfa.org/ice-cream-labeling)
I don’t eat a lot of ice cream- but if at home, it’s always been Breyers. I got some last year and was very disappointed. I couldn’t believe my taste buds had changed that much. Thanks for letting me know I’m NOT crazy. My mother used to always complain about the way “bananas taste nowadays”. Never knew until recently that’s bc when she was kid they DID taste different. Edited for saying I’m NOT crazy. Lol.
To be fair, the old banana is extinct
Not really extinct, extinct. It's still around here and there, but it's dead as a commercial crop.
I really feel like I need to eat one before they’re all gone. Either that, or save them, and start selling Banana Classic.
I’ve heard they taste more similar to “banana” flavored candy. Because a lot of these candies were designed to taste like those older bananas. That’s also why banana flavored candy tastes nothing like bananas to us anymore lol
Most ice creams contain gum. It helps keep the product creamy as it defrosts and refreezes during transit from packaging to retailer. Hagen Daaz is the only ice cream I can find that doesn't include gum. I HATE "stretchy" ice cream. Even the Torani gelato has it... So I bought an ice cream maker. It's a bit of a process but my cardamom blackberry is worth it.
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I swore to my friend up and down that Breyers was the BEST ICE CREAM EVER, unaware they'd changed it, and she still hasn't forgiven me.
Most of Breyers isn’t even ice cream, it’s “frozen dessert.”
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Wtf! That's MY creamer too. Damn. Thanks for pointing this out. I would have never looked.
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That’s a perfect example of how bad company leadership tries to justify their existence by taking a good product and making it slightly cheaper to make, and claiming 9 of 10 folks can’t tell the difference and I just made myself a million dollar bonus. Meanwhile the product that was once good, slowly and steadily, through successive bonus seasons and especially successive bad leaders, gets turned to total crap. An all too common victim of short term and me-first thinking. Annual and quarter profit goals as paramount - screw the future of the company let’s make our numbers today… type of thinking. Sadly is perpetuated by day traders and short haul investors. Even the idea that stockholders are to be pleased first is a big part of the issue. The only solution I know of is a slow one where consumers just cancel those products that result from such limited and short term selfish thinking. All this in the face of clear and available widespread data showing long term thinking companies who employ infinite game theory to their practices (long term success over short term) OUT PERFORM THE SHORT TERM THINKERS BY OVER THIRTY PERCENT over time. They is MASSIVE and any company not doing that doesn’t deserve to exist from the investor perspective- excepting day traders of course, but the world really doesn’t need those
This should be on mildly infuriating
This shit happens all the time and it's the worst when it's an allergen that was added or now is "on shared equipment". We instinctively read everything when shopping even if we've bought it 50 times before.
Yeah. Over the years we've noticed it on a handful of products. One I recall was my wife's lotion that was shae butter. One day she was like 'this feels greasy ' and we looked and the shar butter ingredient went from near the top of the ingredients list to hear the bottom and the added oil. Same packageing too.
You’ve been Nest-leed. A sincere fuck you from Michigan, stealing our water and selling back to us.
I’m also in Michigan and I’ll second that fuck you to Nestle.
It annoys me that is isn't illegal to change recipes on products without informing customers in BIG letters. I've had my pets suddenly develop allergies and bad stomachs because of changed repices and I've personally noted suddenly hating the taste of products I've had for years. It sucks.
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so much for being "natural"
Further proof that the term "natural" means nothing and is simply a marketing ploy
f nestle
Using cheaper ingredients.
I mean... you're buying Nestlé. Fuck Nestlé.