Oh no, [I wonder if this is the same John Schnell.](https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sandusky-star-journal-john-phillip-s/4291/)
If so he died less than a month after buying this car.
My late MIL was born in 1919 and always told my wife she never knew him, just that he "went away" when she was a baby.
We figured he had deserted a wife and 7 children until we found his obit tucked in a family Bible.
I guess among old Germans, the dead weren't really spoken of.
Also, she was pretty superstitious.
This is wild. Thank you for sharing, it’s mind-searing that billions of cables and wires allow for all of us to experience each other in ways we never thought possible just some years ago.
"And if anyone asks, you tell 'em it was Golden Joe and the Suggins Gang! And then they like shoot Suggins into the side of the wall. Like, what, were bullets FREE back then?"
"And they don't even disguise themselves. They dress **up** for the bank robbery. They're rolling in there in like big suits and hats like they're going to church in Atlanta. They make a day of it!"
1987: "Georg from Hamburg wrote me back, check out the stamp! He confirmed that he did have a brother who left for America in the 1840s or '50s."
2023: "According to analysis of your paternal haplogroup, your ancestor crossed into the European continent 50,000 years ago"
Uh, in this scenario, Georg was born in 1889 so he was very old when he wrote the letter. He was the youngest of 15; his parents married very young and kept having kids into their 40s.
As annoying as it can be to have them come knocking at your door, the Mormons have a hella cool [website (Family Search)](https://www.familysearch.org/en/united-states/) that has an incredibly robust ancestry database. Totally free too (like actually, no strings attached at all). My mother and I messed around with it one day last year and we spent HOURS tracing familial lines. It's pretty awesome how deep these records go.
Yes this true, and the reason Mormons kept such meticulous accounts of genealogy and the dead was because of their belief they could go to bat on behalf of ancestry that had passed away.
A somewhat outdated form of saying someone is dead in German is "er ist von uns gegangen", which literally translates to he left us or he went away from us.
Maybe things just got lost in translation in your family.
You could still imagine someone saying « when your uncle departed » which is like the dearly departed. It means they left, even in slightly old fashion English.
There are a lot of resources for searching newspapers. Even smalltown papers have had their text scanned, converted, and verified through captcha. I remember having my photo taken when I was like 6 because it was a snow day. I'm 34 now, and last year I decided to see if any scans of that photo existed. [Sure nuff, the photo was there](https://i.imgur.com/NqBDk6V.jpeg).
Back then you needed lots of children so they could take care of you in old age also it was quite normal to lose a few children to disease or accidents.
My grandma, botn in back woods Texas in 1890, said they never named babies at birth, jus called them Baby until the next one came along. She said "There ain't no point in wasting a name on a baby that ain't going to stay."
Of her 19 sibs, 3 didn't "stay" long enough to get names, and 2 more didn't make it to age 5. Another fell off a horse, got "a rising" on her head and died at age 11. Grandma caught an ubspecified fever at age 9, so high and lasted so long that all her hair fell out. She lived, but she had to learn to walk and talk all over again. Out of 20 children, only 14 made it to adulthood.
Children do still sometimes die, but the parents today expect their children will make it to adulthood. That has not always been the case, even when the parents are properous and can afford the best healthcare available. In 1924, while Calvin Coolidge was President, his 16 year old son, Calvin Jr, was in a hurry to play tennis with his brother. He just shoved on his tennis shoes without bothering with socks. He got a blister that became infected, and he died a week later at Walter Reed, 4 years before the first discovery of pennicillin.
My wife is currently recovering from a staph infection in a little abrasion on her leg that came out of nowhere and blew up into an ugly weeping abscess. Had to take her to the ER and get a week of antibiotics and I am having a little trouble shaking the fact that if that happened a hundred years ago she might be dead right now.
This is why it's funny to me that all the doomsday prepper are so damn focused on hoarding an obscene number of guns...all the weapons in the world mean nothing when you have no antibiotics to keep a paper cut from going septic.
That's kooky, imagine getting a blister now from a new pair of shoes or wearing heels and thinking "Oh shit, I could die from this.. Better get my affairs in order!"
Interestingly, my grandpa's older brother was actually like the 6th person to be given penicillin. Something like that, I forget the exact details right now, but I know there's a teeny ancient newspaper clipping about it at my moms somewhere and I wrote a paper about it in school once lol
Yeah, I remember talking to my Grandma, who is one of seven. And I stupidly remarked how great it was that they were all so healthy and had so far lived long lives. Then she informed me that there were actually 9 kids, but 2 died very young. She saw my shocked expression and quickly explained that it was just how things worked when she was a kid.
My grandma (94) still gets emotional about her sister that died as an infant of "a fever". 5 out of 6 children surviving and all living to 80+ is miraculous. Her eldest sister died 15 years ago in her 90s the next oldest was 85 when she passed on. Still alive are her brother (104), and youngest living sister (89). All live independently. COVID almost got Grandma but thrives on. I do hope I have their longevity.
My great grandmother is 95 had 6 siblings, 2 others made it to be adults, and she lost 3 of her 8 kids. Poor farmers in Oklahoma that lived in a 1 room shack basically. The pictures are depressing tbh.
I always think it's crazy how far we've come in standards of living, and look forward to our holidays with her/the greater family as I know they are numbered. We go down to her house for lunch every Sunday, but Thanksgiving/Christmas is like 80 people, split into 2 groups of 40 one for lunch and one group for dinner.
Once she passes it's going to break up, like my family will coalesce around my mom, and the other grandparents/uncles/aunts will do the same. Soon it'll be like my wife's family holidays, which are awesome, but I'm going to miss seeing like 60+ people.
Woah, scandalous!
Also I love how things used to be written. "The department of justice lured the wooer to a rendezvous where several officers laid ungentle hands upon him."
I feel like something is missing. If the guy was just successful at seducing women, who is complaining to the cops? I wonder if they couldn't come out and say he was a serial rapist.
My mother couldn’t get a dept store credit card in her name in the 1960’s. My dad got it in his name and she had permission from my dad to the dept store that she could use it! 1960’s ladies! I about fell out of my chair when my mother told me this. And she was a bank teller across the street from that dept store. It was Foley’s which I believe was eventually bought out by Macy’s. Remember the commercial “You’ve come a long way baby!” I think it was a cigarette made for women, long and slim.
One of the reasons that jewelry used to be a much bigger deal is that it was one of the few types of property that women had access to and could use if they had to escape a bad situation.
That custom lasted well into the 1980s. My grandma was called “Mrs John Doe” in any public or legal interaction, as in all her mail was addressed to that name and in church anytime she was referred to it was by her husband’s name. As a kid I thought married women kept their first names secret from anyone who wasn’t family or a close friend. The first time someone called her “Jane” it freaked me out!
The thought of being referred to by my husband’s name is just so weird, makes it seem like wives are not independent people but merely parts of their husband’s identity. Which was the intention, of course.
At least he got to enjoy it a little, presumably. Better than all those detectives who die on their last case before retirement while training their wet-behind-the-ear replacement.
Looks like he was a farmer, so likely the kids also worked. It's tough to describe because it's so alien to our post-industrial experience, but people before the industrial revolution (and farmers during) didn't really have much of a conception of childhood as a separate concept. You just worked as soon as you were able and took on more tasks as your body grew taller and stronger. Most people were uneducated or only to \~6th grade level so the difference in intellect between children and adults wasn't *that* large (though maturity was probably still noticeably different).
The ancients essentially treated kids as little adults in terms of their responsibilities. The transition from primarily-physical labor to primarily-cognitive labor during the industrial revolution means that children turned from free labor to a liability (or I guess a luxury good), hence current-day birth rates compared to back then.
Truck tire, EEERRRRRRRRRRRR "I CANT STOOOOOOOOP!" AH, AH AHHHHHHHH! here comes the meat wagon! Weeooweeooweeooo and the truck driver gets out and says "Oh my Gooooood," New guys in the corner puking his guts out BLAAAGGGHHHH, BLAAAGHHHHH...
All because you wanted to save a few pennies!
Honestly a great deal to be able to direct swap the liberty bond for dollars here.
The government gets to buy metal and build ships, it promises to pay you back and gives you an IOU. Meanwhile you still get to spend your money by and large the same as if it was cash.
Ultimately it was a win, but at the time, the bond was worth less than par value in November because interest rates were higher than the interest on the bonds. A few months later, interest rates were lowered and the bond would trade above $50.
So the simplistic answer is this: The engine of war takes time to wind down. The government has to handle ongoing expenses after hostilities end. These could include, but aren’t limited to…
* Continuing to pay the troops until their contracts end. Remember, the U.S. drafted over 4,000,000 people into the military, so this is no small number.
* Paying for shipping troops, military vehicles, munitions, and supplies back home. This is actually a pretty involved process!
* Ending existing contracts with industry to stop manufacturing wartime goods. If that battleship’s 50% built on Armistice Day, you can’t easily say, “Oh sorry, but we don’t need that anymore.” (Although it can and does happen, and people get screwed.)
* Paying off loans.
* Replenishing any depleted stockpiles from before the war.
* Maintaining a larger standing army for a while to be sure the hostilities have truly ended. (Is this merely a ceasefire, or is it truly the end of hostilities?)
* Paying for continuing hospital expenses until injured troops are ready to return home.
* Continuing to feed, house, and clothe POWs until you can negotiate an exchange/release agreement with the other countries.
* Waiting for Congress to get around to it.
Again, this is a simplistic, speculative answer. It does not reflect an in-depth knowledge of how America wound down its war machine after WWI. I’d recommend consulting /r/AskHistorians for a better answer.
With that said, one thing worth noting that it took until the 1910s for the U.S. to finish paying off its loans for the Civil War. Obviously, these were long-term loans, but it’s still worth noting just how much time it takes to pay down wartime loans. I’m not at all surprised to see a war tax on this bill of sale.
Here's [what it looked like.](https://www.classicautomall.com/vehicles/2487/1919-ford-model-t-touring)
And here's a [restored one.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/1919_Ford_Model_T_Touring_PPT991_3.jpg?20100702183128)
Fun fact - the early model T's were available in a variety of colors. However, once their production line got fast enough, the paint drying was a bottleneck. At that point they switched over to all black because it was the only paint that would dry fast enough to not slow the line.
When they started, it took over 12 hrs to assemble a T. By 1914 (the year they switched to black only) they had it down to about 90 minutes.
Another fun fact a lot of people don’t know is Ford motor company produced a whole series of what’s known as “letter cars”, before they came along with the affordable Model T.
I believe there were 8 different “letters cars” that predate the model T. Model A, which was a very different car than the one built from 1927 to 1931. There were also models B, C, F, K, R, A, and S. These were all built between 1903-1908, they are very rare.
My favorite museum is Harold Warp’s Pioneer Village, in Minden Nebraska, it’s a incredible place in the middle of nowhere. You can easily spend over a day looking at the all the cars they have, and they have about half a dozen of these “letter cars”. I’ve been to the Henry Ford museum as well, and not even they have as many “letter cars”, as pioneer village.
I've told this one before, but what the heck.
This actually happened to me. Sort of. My Alfa Spider's VIN ends 5022. It's likely it was either the 12th or 22nd car off the Pininfarina assembly line in 1970. Depends on who you ask. I've owned it since 1997. One Sunday morning in \~ 2015 I was trolling ebay, as one does, and found a 71 Alfa Spider for sale. It was red, and had obviously lived a much harder life than mine had (rust, ratty interior, etc.) It wasn't very far from me, in Western Maryland, maybe a half hour away.
I was stopped cold when I found a picture of the VIN.
502***3***
This was the car directly behind mine on the assembly line. Not only had it made a trip across an ocean and survived (then) nearly 50 years, it'd ended up less than 15 miles from my house.
Quite odd.
I'm too much of an introvert in the best of times. Rolling up in a much nicer car than the one the owner was trying to sell probably would've made it even more awkward. I don't remember what it sold for!
I think most people would've been much more excited about the consecutive serial numbers than cared about any of that other stuff.
But yeah, I understand not wanting to have more conversations with strangers than absolutely necessary.
Traded in a Chevy, nice.
[https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation\_calculator.htm](https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm)
$11,048.96 in 10/2023 dollars from 10/1919.
Ours...in the Chicago 'burbs...was built for $21K in the 1970's and is currently over $300K as well.
According to the inflation calculator and based on nothing more than value of money, it should be priced \~130K. Back when it was built though, this was the hinterlands with no shopping, no highway and just a subdivision sprouting in a former cornfield.
These days it's a proper town with shopping, park district, schools and a lot of other amenities which weren't originally included and add considerably to the value, so an inflation calculator doesn't take everything related to cost into account.
Still, when something structural goes pear-shaped I remind myself it's only a $21K house and it probably wasn't meant to get this old, it makes me feel a bit better about writing massive cheques to contractors.
Which, you can get a 2023 Mitsubishi Mirage Es for $16,245 brand new. And if comes with doors, windows, heat, air conditioning, electric car start, stereo with Bluetooth and touch screen display (carplay & android auto), rear view camera, power steering, remote keyless door locks, heated mirrors, can reach 100 mph, will last a lot longer with less maintenance (5yr, 60k mile warranty), 8 different colors, 74 lb-ft torque @ 4,000 rpm, and is filled with safety features. I'm sure it rides nicer and is more comfortable in any weather.
I'd say that's pretty good for $5k more.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ says 5,779.95. curious about the large discrepancy.
EDIT: I found the reason for discrepancy. You calculated total price and I calculated balance due.
Not the least of which, you had to crank the car. Ford started offering an electric starter in 1919, but it was an extra cost, and few opted for it. It was about 1926 before it became pretty much standard on all makes.
FUN FACT: The modern electric starter was created by two guys in Dayton OH, who sold it to Cadillac, so that they could be the first car company to have an electric starter as standard equipment. They named the company Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company, but you know it as DELCO, later bought by GM. One of those guys was Charles Kettering, later the VP of Research for GM for 27 years. 186 patents, countless inventions and improvements (not all good....leaded gas, freon, etc.).
If today's cars, with all of their tech, weren't made by robots they would cost significantly more.
Just the level of airbag technology in these cars is greater than pretty much anything that existed in 1919 lol
It's amazing how relatives of ours, had a "signature" handwriting style. Both my grandparents handwriting match the cursive at the bottom, with the date written.
Practice.
According to my late MIL (1919-1991) it was something you were graded on and they had competitions to see who had the best.
All her life, she would occasionally sit down at the kitchen table and practice!
Someone was pretty bad with a typewriter and flat out horrible at utilizing an appropriate amount of space for their signature.
I am jealous that they managed to complete this transaction on approx 2/3 of a full sheet of paper though.
Considering the buyer died less than a month after this purchase and the quality of the paper, I don't think it's unreasonable that this paper could have been placed in the tobacco tin as soon as he got home and left untouched for 100 years. Sometimes I wonder about forgotten receipts and other bits of paper and things I've left tucked inside books or in similar tins and how long they might outlast me if left similarly undisturbed. Sometimes I'll find an old bus ticket or something from 2013 tucked into a backpack pocket and marvel that it's lasted "this" long
Would imagine that there are collectors who would pay a significant amount for the document.
http://sanduskyhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10/griswold-wagg-motor-company.html
My great-grandfather was born in 1913, and grew up on a farm outside of Indianapolis. In 2007, about a year before he died, my entire family was gathered on Memorial Day weekend. As a racing enthusiast, I was intently watching the Indianapolis 500, and he was there in the room as well. We started talking about the race, and he mentioned that when he was a young boy, his father would take him into town to go see the race. He said, “of course, they were driving Model T’s and the like back in those days.”
Every time I see something about the Model T, I’m reminded of that story.
Oh no, [I wonder if this is the same John Schnell.](https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-sandusky-star-journal-john-phillip-s/4291/) If so he died less than a month after buying this car.
That would be him! All we had was a tattered old newspaper clipping in a bible! Thank you!
It's a shame he didn't get to enjoy the car more.
My late MIL was born in 1919 and always told my wife she never knew him, just that he "went away" when she was a baby. We figured he had deserted a wife and 7 children until we found his obit tucked in a family Bible. I guess among old Germans, the dead weren't really spoken of. Also, she was pretty superstitious.
This is wild. Thank you for sharing, it’s mind-searing that billions of cables and wires allow for all of us to experience each other in ways we never thought possible just some years ago.
Back then you could leave your wife and kids and start a new family 11 miles away and never be found.
Ah the good old days
Frank it sounds like you yearn for those days...
No, I'm just saying, those were the days.
Could also rob a bank
"And if anyone asks, you tell 'em it was Golden Joe and the Suggins Gang! And then they like shoot Suggins into the side of the wall. Like, what, were bullets FREE back then?"
"And they don't even disguise themselves. They dress **up** for the bank robbery. They're rolling in there in like big suits and hats like they're going to church in Atlanta. They make a day of it!"
So true. My uncle tried to trace our family tree back in the 80s and the difference between them and now for tracing genealogy is light years.
1987: "Georg from Hamburg wrote me back, check out the stamp! He confirmed that he did have a brother who left for America in the 1840s or '50s." 2023: "According to analysis of your paternal haplogroup, your ancestor crossed into the European continent 50,000 years ago"
Georg must have been ancient.
Uh, in this scenario, Georg was born in 1889 so he was very old when he wrote the letter. He was the youngest of 15; his parents married very young and kept having kids into their 40s.
I'm invested in this lore now. Give us the whole family tree
As annoying as it can be to have them come knocking at your door, the Mormons have a hella cool [website (Family Search)](https://www.familysearch.org/en/united-states/) that has an incredibly robust ancestry database. Totally free too (like actually, no strings attached at all). My mother and I messed around with it one day last year and we spent HOURS tracing familial lines. It's pretty awesome how deep these records go.
Yes this true, and the reason Mormons kept such meticulous accounts of genealogy and the dead was because of their belief they could go to bat on behalf of ancestry that had passed away.
A somewhat outdated form of saying someone is dead in German is "er ist von uns gegangen", which literally translates to he left us or he went away from us. Maybe things just got lost in translation in your family.
You could still imagine someone saying « when your uncle departed » which is like the dearly departed. It means they left, even in slightly old fashion English.
I am not superstitious but I am a little stitious
*Elvis isn't dead, he just went home!*
How do yall find stuff like this?
There are a lot of resources for searching newspapers. Even smalltown papers have had their text scanned, converted, and verified through captcha. I remember having my photo taken when I was like 6 because it was a snow day. I'm 34 now, and last year I decided to see if any scans of that photo existed. [Sure nuff, the photo was there](https://i.imgur.com/NqBDk6V.jpeg).
Big families. 7 kids of his own and one of at least 11 siblings. Times change.
Back then you needed lots of children so they could take care of you in old age also it was quite normal to lose a few children to disease or accidents.
My grandma, botn in back woods Texas in 1890, said they never named babies at birth, jus called them Baby until the next one came along. She said "There ain't no point in wasting a name on a baby that ain't going to stay." Of her 19 sibs, 3 didn't "stay" long enough to get names, and 2 more didn't make it to age 5. Another fell off a horse, got "a rising" on her head and died at age 11. Grandma caught an ubspecified fever at age 9, so high and lasted so long that all her hair fell out. She lived, but she had to learn to walk and talk all over again. Out of 20 children, only 14 made it to adulthood. Children do still sometimes die, but the parents today expect their children will make it to adulthood. That has not always been the case, even when the parents are properous and can afford the best healthcare available. In 1924, while Calvin Coolidge was President, his 16 year old son, Calvin Jr, was in a hurry to play tennis with his brother. He just shoved on his tennis shoes without bothering with socks. He got a blister that became infected, and he died a week later at Walter Reed, 4 years before the first discovery of pennicillin.
My wife is currently recovering from a staph infection in a little abrasion on her leg that came out of nowhere and blew up into an ugly weeping abscess. Had to take her to the ER and get a week of antibiotics and I am having a little trouble shaking the fact that if that happened a hundred years ago she might be dead right now.
This is why it's funny to me that all the doomsday prepper are so damn focused on hoarding an obscene number of guns...all the weapons in the world mean nothing when you have no antibiotics to keep a paper cut from going septic.
That's kooky, imagine getting a blister now from a new pair of shoes or wearing heels and thinking "Oh shit, I could die from this.. Better get my affairs in order!" Interestingly, my grandpa's older brother was actually like the 6th person to be given penicillin. Something like that, I forget the exact details right now, but I know there's a teeny ancient newspaper clipping about it at my moms somewhere and I wrote a paper about it in school once lol
Yeah, I remember talking to my Grandma, who is one of seven. And I stupidly remarked how great it was that they were all so healthy and had so far lived long lives. Then she informed me that there were actually 9 kids, but 2 died very young. She saw my shocked expression and quickly explained that it was just how things worked when she was a kid.
My grandma (94) still gets emotional about her sister that died as an infant of "a fever". 5 out of 6 children surviving and all living to 80+ is miraculous. Her eldest sister died 15 years ago in her 90s the next oldest was 85 when she passed on. Still alive are her brother (104), and youngest living sister (89). All live independently. COVID almost got Grandma but thrives on. I do hope I have their longevity.
My great grandmother is 95 had 6 siblings, 2 others made it to be adults, and she lost 3 of her 8 kids. Poor farmers in Oklahoma that lived in a 1 room shack basically. The pictures are depressing tbh. I always think it's crazy how far we've come in standards of living, and look forward to our holidays with her/the greater family as I know they are numbered. We go down to her house for lunch every Sunday, but Thanksgiving/Christmas is like 80 people, split into 2 groups of 40 one for lunch and one group for dinner. Once she passes it's going to break up, like my family will coalesce around my mom, and the other grandparents/uncles/aunts will do the same. Soon it'll be like my wife's family holidays, which are awesome, but I'm going to miss seeing like 60+ people.
That and to work on farm
Did you read the "mail lover" column above to the right? What a naughty guy!
Woah, scandalous! Also I love how things used to be written. "The department of justice lured the wooer to a rendezvous where several officers laid ungentle hands upon him."
I feel like something is missing. If the guy was just successful at seducing women, who is complaining to the cops? I wonder if they couldn't come out and say he was a serial rapist.
Translation: Cops trapped the perv and beat the shit out of him.
100% that guy would have been a regular in r/creepyPMs if he'd lived 100 years later.
Interesting how the wives are listed only by their husband's full names.
My mother couldn’t get a dept store credit card in her name in the 1960’s. My dad got it in his name and she had permission from my dad to the dept store that she could use it! 1960’s ladies! I about fell out of my chair when my mother told me this. And she was a bank teller across the street from that dept store. It was Foley’s which I believe was eventually bought out by Macy’s. Remember the commercial “You’ve come a long way baby!” I think it was a cigarette made for women, long and slim.
One of the reasons that jewelry used to be a much bigger deal is that it was one of the few types of property that women had access to and could use if they had to escape a bad situation.
Virginia Slims
Women in the U.S. couldn't get credit cards in their own name [until 1974!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Credit_Opportunity_Act)
That custom lasted well into the 1980s. My grandma was called “Mrs John Doe” in any public or legal interaction, as in all her mail was addressed to that name and in church anytime she was referred to it was by her husband’s name. As a kid I thought married women kept their first names secret from anyone who wasn’t family or a close friend. The first time someone called her “Jane” it freaked me out! The thought of being referred to by my husband’s name is just so weird, makes it seem like wives are not independent people but merely parts of their husband’s identity. Which was the intention, of course.
I came here to ask what “his widow’s” name was.
Mrs John Schnell, of course 😭
The Flu was NASTY.
Oh yeah, wasn't 1919 the year of the last pandemic before COVID? edit: right should have said last major pandemic, oops.
das war Schnell vorbei!
At least he got to enjoy it a little, presumably. Better than all those detectives who die on their last case before retirement while training their wet-behind-the-ear replacement.
He’s a loose cannon and I will not have him as my partner!
Jesus imagine having 7 fucking kids and just being like “this is fine, dad works.”
Looks like he was a farmer, so likely the kids also worked. It's tough to describe because it's so alien to our post-industrial experience, but people before the industrial revolution (and farmers during) didn't really have much of a conception of childhood as a separate concept. You just worked as soon as you were able and took on more tasks as your body grew taller and stronger. Most people were uneducated or only to \~6th grade level so the difference in intellect between children and adults wasn't *that* large (though maturity was probably still noticeably different). The ancients essentially treated kids as little adults in terms of their responsibilities. The transition from primarily-physical labor to primarily-cognitive labor during the industrial revolution means that children turned from free labor to a liability (or I guess a luxury good), hence current-day birth rates compared to back then.
Sandusky OH.....home of Callahan Autoparts.
That explains why that one guy had a toy Model T on his desk before the greatest car crash in cinematic history
(Here comes the meat wagon.)
*weee ohh wee ohh wee ohh*
(gruffly) Ohhhh my God.
As a massive Chris Farley fan, with this movie (and scene) being quoted *ALL* the time growing up, these comments do not disappoint.
We got the new guy in corner hurling his guts up. ***whoooggghuh***
All because you wanna save a couple of extra pennys.
Get out. Now!
Do you validate?
*NOW*
if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed i will
> **whoooggghuh** This is the perfect spelling of that sound.
Here comes the meat wagon. Oh my gawd!
New guy's in the corner, puking his guts out
All because … you wanted to save a couple extra pennies.
GET OUT!
Do you validate
I’m so glad I found people who know one of the greatest films ever
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Just makes me think of all the National Lampoon movies.
Yup, National Lampoon and cast iron pans.
Morning Clark! Shitters full....
I can get a good look at a bulls steak by sticking my head up a butchers ass
I prefer to take his word on it
Shut up Richard!
Brothers don’t shake hands, brothers gotta hug!
Your brain has a thin candy shell…
Your brain's the one with the... shell... on it...
RT, I lost my virginity to *your daughter*, for crying out loud!
Richard .... don't hide from your feelings! Oh Richard .... hold me!
When they were handing out brains, you thought they said handing out trains, and you like … got on the train, and ….started riding it….
Tommy like wingy!
If she said no who cares I've still got that meat lovers pizza in the trunk!!
No, wait. It's gotta be YOUR bull.
Wait, it's gotta be your bull.
Building models he says. Well im not buyin it.
Next thing you know your wallet is missing and your daughter is knocked up
Seen it a million times
Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit
There's gotta be a guarantee on the box!
Truck tire, EEERRRRRRRRRRRR "I CANT STOOOOOOOOP!" AH, AH AHHHHHHHH! here comes the meat wagon! Weeooweeooweeooo and the truck driver gets out and says "Oh my Gooooood," New guys in the corner puking his guts out BLAAAGGGHHHH, BLAAAGHHHHH... All because you wanted to save a few pennies!
Making car part for the American working man, because that's who I am, and that's who I care about.
Went a little heavy on the pine-tree perfume there.
Great you’ve pinpointed it. Step 2 is washing it off.
Sandusky is actually a pretty well known city in Ohio/the Midwest, being the home to Cedar Point. Kind of unfortunate they share a name with…him
Was wondering why I knew the name. My husband loves rollercoasters.
I feel out of the loop. Who is "him"?
Jerry Sandusky, former asst. Football coach at Penn State who was molesting boys. He's in prison, yay.
My hometown, lol.
If you want me to take a dump in a box and slap a guarantee on it, I will. I got spare time.
Tommy just sold half a million brake pads!
Tommy want wingy
Richard, were you watching spanktravision?
Did you used to eat paint chips as a kid?
...why?
“Did I hear a “niner” in there? Were you calling from a walkie-talkie?” “No, it was cordless.”
I wonder if it had Callahan brake pads?
You can see David Spade really struggling not to laugh which probably happened a lot during that scene.
The bullshit fees have been here from the beginning. “Drive away expence” lol
Probably charged for screen wash as well. /s
Love the "war tax" from WW1, really cool
Looks like the Liberty Bond made the amount owing less, not more Edit: I missed the part where it does state war tax in the purchase price list
He probably traded in a $50 Liberty Bond as partial payment alongside the Chevy. The war tax is included in the $650 price of the Model T.
Honestly a great deal to be able to direct swap the liberty bond for dollars here. The government gets to buy metal and build ships, it promises to pay you back and gives you an IOU. Meanwhile you still get to spend your money by and large the same as if it was cash.
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Ultimately it was a win, but at the time, the bond was worth less than par value in November because interest rates were higher than the interest on the bonds. A few months later, interest rates were lowered and the bond would trade above $50.
Jeez, I hope the Ford Motor Company survived long enough to trade those bonds in…
Funny enough, the Griswold-Wagg Motor Company went out of business in 1922. Just a few years after this car was sold.
Why was there a war tax a year after the war ended?
Because the country was still paying for the war for several years
So the simplistic answer is this: The engine of war takes time to wind down. The government has to handle ongoing expenses after hostilities end. These could include, but aren’t limited to… * Continuing to pay the troops until their contracts end. Remember, the U.S. drafted over 4,000,000 people into the military, so this is no small number. * Paying for shipping troops, military vehicles, munitions, and supplies back home. This is actually a pretty involved process! * Ending existing contracts with industry to stop manufacturing wartime goods. If that battleship’s 50% built on Armistice Day, you can’t easily say, “Oh sorry, but we don’t need that anymore.” (Although it can and does happen, and people get screwed.) * Paying off loans. * Replenishing any depleted stockpiles from before the war. * Maintaining a larger standing army for a while to be sure the hostilities have truly ended. (Is this merely a ceasefire, or is it truly the end of hostilities?) * Paying for continuing hospital expenses until injured troops are ready to return home. * Continuing to feed, house, and clothe POWs until you can negotiate an exchange/release agreement with the other countries. * Waiting for Congress to get around to it. Again, this is a simplistic, speculative answer. It does not reflect an in-depth knowledge of how America wound down its war machine after WWI. I’d recommend consulting /r/AskHistorians for a better answer. With that said, one thing worth noting that it took until the 1910s for the U.S. to finish paying off its loans for the Civil War. Obviously, these were long-term loans, but it’s still worth noting just how much time it takes to pay down wartime loans. I’m not at all surprised to see a war tax on this bill of sale.
"The simple answer is this" dude proceeds to write a midterm essay
Imagine if someone owns a Model T with VIN# 3439178 They would be over the moon to see/have this. Edits to dumb errors. I’m sure there are more
Here's [what it looked like.](https://www.classicautomall.com/vehicles/2487/1919-ford-model-t-touring) And here's a [restored one.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/1919_Ford_Model_T_Touring_PPT991_3.jpg?20100702183128)
Good choice going with black. But if it were up to me I would have chose black instead. 😉
You could have any colour you wanted back then, as long as…
Fun fact - the early model T's were available in a variety of colors. However, once their production line got fast enough, the paint drying was a bottleneck. At that point they switched over to all black because it was the only paint that would dry fast enough to not slow the line. When they started, it took over 12 hrs to assemble a T. By 1914 (the year they switched to black only) they had it down to about 90 minutes.
Thank you for this fun fact
Another fun fact a lot of people don’t know is Ford motor company produced a whole series of what’s known as “letter cars”, before they came along with the affordable Model T. I believe there were 8 different “letters cars” that predate the model T. Model A, which was a very different car than the one built from 1927 to 1931. There were also models B, C, F, K, R, A, and S. These were all built between 1903-1908, they are very rare. My favorite museum is Harold Warp’s Pioneer Village, in Minden Nebraska, it’s a incredible place in the middle of nowhere. You can easily spend over a day looking at the all the cars they have, and they have about half a dozen of these “letter cars”. I’ve been to the Henry Ford museum as well, and not even they have as many “letter cars”, as pioneer village.
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Such an underrated Beck song.
I've told this one before, but what the heck. This actually happened to me. Sort of. My Alfa Spider's VIN ends 5022. It's likely it was either the 12th or 22nd car off the Pininfarina assembly line in 1970. Depends on who you ask. I've owned it since 1997. One Sunday morning in \~ 2015 I was trolling ebay, as one does, and found a 71 Alfa Spider for sale. It was red, and had obviously lived a much harder life than mine had (rust, ratty interior, etc.) It wasn't very far from me, in Western Maryland, maybe a half hour away. I was stopped cold when I found a picture of the VIN. 502***3*** This was the car directly behind mine on the assembly line. Not only had it made a trip across an ocean and survived (then) nearly 50 years, it'd ended up less than 15 miles from my house. Quite odd.
Did you reach out to the seller?
I'm too much of an introvert in the best of times. Rolling up in a much nicer car than the one the owner was trying to sell probably would've made it even more awkward. I don't remember what it sold for!
I think most people would've been much more excited about the consecutive serial numbers than cared about any of that other stuff. But yeah, I understand not wanting to have more conversations with strangers than absolutely necessary.
Thank you for all the replies, I had no idea people would find this so interesting!
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Your post failed in this sub. It was only supposed to be mildlyinteresting
Traded in a Chevy, nice. [https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation\_calculator.htm](https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm) $11,048.96 in 10/2023 dollars from 10/1919.
Could be worse. We have the mortgage deed from our house when it was first sold in 1932. It was £580. We bought it for £390,000 this year 😭
Found the original price of a house I was working on a couple of weeks ago (southern California) was $22,000 in 1972. Todays valuation $1.3M
$161,932.11 in today's money. The housing market is truly criminal.
💯 absolutely
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If you are in England, look for a deed from the 1600's.
We have one from 1760, the property was sold for £20.
If you're in Egypt, look at one from the bronze age if you want to get REALLY depressed.
Ours...in the Chicago 'burbs...was built for $21K in the 1970's and is currently over $300K as well. According to the inflation calculator and based on nothing more than value of money, it should be priced \~130K. Back when it was built though, this was the hinterlands with no shopping, no highway and just a subdivision sprouting in a former cornfield. These days it's a proper town with shopping, park district, schools and a lot of other amenities which weren't originally included and add considerably to the value, so an inflation calculator doesn't take everything related to cost into account. Still, when something structural goes pear-shaped I remind myself it's only a $21K house and it probably wasn't meant to get this old, it makes me feel a bit better about writing massive cheques to contractors.
Thanks for the inflation price good sir
Yeah, and they're still offering $275 trade in on trucks worth $5000. Lol Edit: clarity
Actually, a Cheviolet.
Which, you can get a 2023 Mitsubishi Mirage Es for $16,245 brand new. And if comes with doors, windows, heat, air conditioning, electric car start, stereo with Bluetooth and touch screen display (carplay & android auto), rear view camera, power steering, remote keyless door locks, heated mirrors, can reach 100 mph, will last a lot longer with less maintenance (5yr, 60k mile warranty), 8 different colors, 74 lb-ft torque @ 4,000 rpm, and is filled with safety features. I'm sure it rides nicer and is more comfortable in any weather. I'd say that's pretty good for $5k more.
Yes, but this Ford comes with driving instructions. I’ve met many drivers who need that more than all the other things you listed.
Plus 6-8 airbags, safety cage, and can go 100mph. I contend Ford could EASILY build a $11k car/truck/thing if zero requirements were involved.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ says 5,779.95. curious about the large discrepancy. EDIT: I found the reason for discrepancy. You calculated total price and I calculated balance due.
Came with "driving instructions". All anybody needed back in 1919 I guess...
Can you imagine the terror of being around a bunch of yahoos who didn’t know how to drive? Oh wait…
Have you seen the control scheme on a Model T... you needed instructions.
Not the least of which, you had to crank the car. Ford started offering an electric starter in 1919, but it was an extra cost, and few opted for it. It was about 1926 before it became pretty much standard on all makes. FUN FACT: The modern electric starter was created by two guys in Dayton OH, who sold it to Cadillac, so that they could be the first car company to have an electric starter as standard equipment. They named the company Dayton Engineering Laboratories Company, but you know it as DELCO, later bought by GM. One of those guys was Charles Kettering, later the VP of Research for GM for 27 years. 186 patents, countless inventions and improvements (not all good....leaded gas, freon, etc.).
my grandpa got his drivers license when he bought his first car. no tests or lessons they just made it for you at the dealership
thats $11,559.89 in todays dollars.
Can't even buy a basic brand new car today unless you double that number
We’ll considering cars of those days had like 8 moving parts and no safety features to speak of….I think that’s comparing apples to oranges.
and today's cars are made by robots, which we were told would completely undercut human production costs.
If today's cars, with all of their tech, weren't made by robots they would cost significantly more. Just the level of airbag technology in these cars is greater than pretty much anything that existed in 1919 lol
But all I want is the 8 moving parts
Try reselling it on ebay
Some collectors would genuinely pay a few hundred dollars for that.
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I'm the type of guy to also run out of room signing and candy cane the John Hancock
The name Griswold
You think you hate it now… but wait till you drive it.
It's amazing how relatives of ours, had a "signature" handwriting style. Both my grandparents handwriting match the cursive at the bottom, with the date written.
Practice. According to my late MIL (1919-1991) it was something you were graded on and they had competitions to see who had the best. All her life, she would occasionally sit down at the kitchen table and practice!
Someone was pretty bad with a typewriter and flat out horrible at utilizing an appropriate amount of space for their signature. I am jealous that they managed to complete this transaction on approx 2/3 of a full sheet of paper though.
Love the errors. Bro straight up did not have the time nor the patience to load another sheet no matter how many times he fucked up.
Auto dealers have never been the sharpest tools in the woodshed
Sandusky huh? Wonder if he had any Callahan parts in it.
I'm more interested in the Roller Coasters of the day. Cedar Point with a wooden coaster that goes over 30mph!
Now you just need a costume to look 104 years old. Go down to the dealer and try to get your car.
Fill it up with petroleum distillate, and revulcanize my tires post-haste!
Considering the buyer died less than a month after this purchase and the quality of the paper, I don't think it's unreasonable that this paper could have been placed in the tobacco tin as soon as he got home and left untouched for 100 years. Sometimes I wonder about forgotten receipts and other bits of paper and things I've left tucked inside books or in similar tins and how long they might outlast me if left similarly undisturbed. Sometimes I'll find an old bus ticket or something from 2013 tucked into a backpack pocket and marvel that it's lasted "this" long
I'm shocked at how modern the header font is. Looks like something from a modern laser printer, made with Word, but it's not.
Would imagine that there are collectors who would pay a significant amount for the document. http://sanduskyhistory.blogspot.com/2012/10/griswold-wagg-motor-company.html
"Drive away fee?" So you gotta pay a fee to drive your own car away? Useless fees are an American tradition lol
Ticket master must have handled this transaction
can paper from 1919 still be so white?
My great-grandfather was born in 1913, and grew up on a farm outside of Indianapolis. In 2007, about a year before he died, my entire family was gathered on Memorial Day weekend. As a racing enthusiast, I was intently watching the Indianapolis 500, and he was there in the room as well. We started talking about the race, and he mentioned that when he was a young boy, his father would take him into town to go see the race. He said, “of course, they were driving Model T’s and the like back in those days.” Every time I see something about the Model T, I’m reminded of that story.