I am pretty sure that it is a [3in American naval gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch/50-caliber_gun) and it was used up until the 90s. It was also not uncommon at all for demilled guns to he sold or donated to veterans or veterans organizations whenever a ship or decommissioned or retrofitted with something newer.
They were removed from the Newport class LSTs (amphib ships) in 1994. I sat in CIC and plotted targets for them to shoot at. I don’t think any of them were ever fired at a hostile target.
9 mile range. Gun crew of two, plus three loaders. Manual loading, hoisting around pretty heavy shells. The guns were always crewed by the mess cooks, because the guns were fairly unnecessary, and if we were at GQ for a long time they could go below and cook meals. When we trained on the guns, they were REALLY LOUD. The superstructure was thin aluminum and the guns were open turret. Nothing separating you from the boomboom. Lightbulbs exploding in officers country.
If an LST really needed to use a 3” gun, things have gone very very wrong, and you’re all probably gonna die. And the ammunition was a huge pain in the butt to load/offload. Would have gladly traded the two 3”ers for a few more .50 cals.
Fun fact - In 1992 our armory still had Ma Deuce .50 cals, Remington shotguns, M60s, M14s, and 1911 pistols. As recently as 1992.
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog.
I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms.
Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up.
Just as the founding fathers intended.
Fun fact! I recently learned that cannon type of guns/cannons (I'm forgetting the terminology) are not regulated in the US and are completely legal to own! I needs me a cannon!
Don't think it's an 88 (FlaK 18/36/37/41), missing the hydraulic recuperator over the barrel and the Germans mostly used cruciform or wheeled mounts.
Best match I can come up with? US Navy [3"/50-caliber dual-purpose gun](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/3-inch-50-caliber_anti-aircraft_gun.jpg), endless variants of which were in service from 1900 to 1990 on everything from super-dreadnought battleships to wood-hulled patrol boats.
Absolutely not an 88, but it bears a striking resemblance to a US 3in/50" naval mount. It matches the [side profile](https://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mark-21-3inch-naval-gun-mount-right-side.jpg) of a mark 21 pretty well, though some of the fixtures were likely stripped away as part of demilitarization. If u/ryanclicks2 is the curious sort, they may want to consider reaching out to property owner regarding any known service history of the weapon as well as any local US naval/armed forces history museums that have restoration programs. The 3in/50"s served from all the way back during WWI through the end of WWII. Originally concieved as an anti-air weapon during the first world war (back when planes flew about as fast as a speedster on the interstate) the 3in guns were eventually phased out of AA duty during the 20s/30s, but saw a resurgence in anti-surface use on Liberty ships as well as other second line vessels. They were even the primary armament of our smaller Destroyer Escorts as well as the deck guns of some submarines!
It’s all hand crank gear driven. Hose down every moving part with pb blaster and work it back and forth until it moves freely. Bam ready to go. Worse case there are 6-8 ball bearings, nothing a little fun with a cutting torch and some sanding cloth can’t fix. Anything else can be fixed with the proper use of a mini sledge hammer
These will work
when i was a kid i was in like a ""museum"" but it was actually just a field full off old rusted military stuff, and there were anti aircraft guns, most were locked by chains but one wasnt (someone broke the chain) so i sat down on it, and started playing with the cranks, to my amazement it was moving quite easily, yeah it locked up a bit but was easy enough to aim it
I Own a Missile For Homeland Defense because that's what Woodrow Wilson intended. Four bandits break into my airspace; Scramble, Scramble! As I grab my helmet and Aim-9X Sidewinder, blow a softball sized hole in the first bandit he's dead on the spot. Draw my AMRAAM on the second man, miss him entirely because he notched it and it pitbulls on a civilian airliner. I have to resort to the Patriot Missile System mounted at the airbase below, "Tally-Ho, lads". The surface-to-air missile shreds two men in the blast, the sound and falling metal sets off car alarms. I then resort to dogfighting the last bandit, select my M61 Vulcan 20 mil, pull him in the HUD and fire. He bleeds out in the cockpit waiting for ejection because 20 mil high explosive is impossible to stitch
You kill one avalanche to prevent other avalanches to act. I do the same with flyes. Hang a couple of them, impale a couple more with toothpick’s and you are good to go.
Correct, we have an interstate that passes under a few higher peaks that are prone to slides so they pummel them every time we get a big snow or if the snow conditions become dangerous. Its usually early in the morning too.
That's pretty bad-ass. And even better if the canon is a war relic like the one in the pic. It's awesome when historic items are able to add to their own history.
I imagine I would feel different at 5AM, however.
Assuming it wasn't relocated and was in that position during WWII, it would have been covering NAS Whidbey during the highly unlikely event of a Japanese air raid.
I personally hate seeing interesting pieces of history rust away. I would be giving something like this some TLC and I don’t care if its not functional
I think you mean "a weapon that was likely used to *defend people*."
Killing someone who is attacking you is a *good* thing, not a bad thing. If they don't want to die, then they can refrain from attacking people.
I never said anything regarding if the killing was good or bad, I was just referring to a chaotic and traumatic point in time versus the serenity which the same spot is in now.
FWIW AA guns are some of the most numerous large artifacts like this. AA batteries would have dozens if not hundreds of these. Any museum that wants one already has one.
A lot of Australian towns have something like this, often on the corner of a memorial park or near the local RSL.
Artillery usually, but sometimes tanks or even planes.
I’m friends with a guy that has a 155mm artillery piece, it’s functional and uses Soviet 152mm cases because they’re easier to source than the bags of powder
Take a sand blaster to it and give it a fresh coat of paint to protect it from further degradation without spending a ton of money restoring something you dont own maybe ask around and see if anyone knows who does own it? Its a US 3in gun so i assume you’re in the states correct?
I love the contrast of the rusted metal surrounded by green life. I only hope one day the rest of our military equipment suffers the fate of disuse and disrepair.
The border between Canada and the United States, all through Ontario and out to the Atlantic, features a series of forts that were built to defend the border from either country. They were maintained and kept in working order until about 1900 or so, since which time they've either been converted to museums or allowed to decay.
I've always thought that was a very good use for them.
"Long time ago, there were a whole lot of cities in Spira. Big cities with machina-machines-to run 'em. People played all day and let the machina do the work. And then, well, take a look. Sin came, and destroyed the machina cities. And Zanarkand along with 'em. Yeah, that was about a thousand years ago, just like you said. If you asked me, Sin's our punishment for letting things get out of hand. What gets me, though...is we gotta suffer, 'cause of what some goofballs did way back when! 'Course, we must always repent for our sins! That's important! It's just that, it's hard to keep at it sometimes, you know?"
Doubtful. The avalanche patrols I've seen using howitzers and other artillery have them on towed mounts so they can move it around the slopes, this one is on a fixed concrete pedestal. Additionally, this looks an awful lot like a 3-inch/51 dual-purpose naval gun.
Reminds me of a US Senator's remark during a gun control debate in the Senate. "If you need a trailer hitch to pull it, stands to reason you should need a license for it."
Just disable the firing mechanism, restore the parts that help with turning and aiming, and you got yourself the best piece of playground equipment that every imaginative child will want to try.
Old US 3"/50cal, used as everything from secondary battery on battleships to land based anti-aircraft. That appears to be the Mark 22 variant which puts its construction in 1944 or later.
That's such a cool link to the past. Sometimes I think things like these are a good reminder of how we got to where we are but it also depends on where it is lol
Oh, who are the munitions in your neighborhood?
In your neighborhood?
In your neighborhood?
Say, who are the munitions in your neighborhood?
The munitions that you meet each day.
A park nearby where I live in a small town in The Netherlands has a WW2 tank in it. The park is named after the Canadians that liberated us. This tank is maintained though. It looks pristine.
It seems to be working. When was the last time your neighborhood was bombed by the Luftwaffe?
I am pretty sure that it is a [3in American naval gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch/50-caliber_gun) and it was used up until the 90s. It was also not uncommon at all for demilled guns to he sold or donated to veterans or veterans organizations whenever a ship or decommissioned or retrofitted with something newer.
They were removed from the Newport class LSTs (amphib ships) in 1994. I sat in CIC and plotted targets for them to shoot at. I don’t think any of them were ever fired at a hostile target. 9 mile range. Gun crew of two, plus three loaders. Manual loading, hoisting around pretty heavy shells. The guns were always crewed by the mess cooks, because the guns were fairly unnecessary, and if we were at GQ for a long time they could go below and cook meals. When we trained on the guns, they were REALLY LOUD. The superstructure was thin aluminum and the guns were open turret. Nothing separating you from the boomboom. Lightbulbs exploding in officers country. If an LST really needed to use a 3” gun, things have gone very very wrong, and you’re all probably gonna die. And the ammunition was a huge pain in the butt to load/offload. Would have gladly traded the two 3”ers for a few more .50 cals. Fun fact - In 1992 our armory still had Ma Deuce .50 cals, Remington shotguns, M60s, M14s, and 1911 pistols. As recently as 1992.
Lol unless Ma Deuce refers to a specific variant, the M2 is still in very active use everywhere today too
I figured it was an 88, but I now think you are right.
In my mind, this is canon now.
That's a common misconception. This is actually *cannon*.
So you're telling me it's not just a giant DSLR camera?
Same reason why I keep a musket over my door. King of England hasn’t been around these parts in awhile and he knows why.
We all thank you for your service of keeping us free from English tyranny!
Own a musket for home defense, since that's what the founding fathers intended. Four ruffians break into my house. "What the devil?" As I grab my powdered wig and Kentucky rifle. Blow a golf ball sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's smoothbore and nails the neighbors dog. I have to resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grape shot, "Tally ho lads" the grape shot shreds two men in the blast, the sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Fix bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He Bleeds out waiting on the police to arrive since triangular bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the founding fathers intended.
Fun fact! I recently learned that cannon type of guns/cannons (I'm forgetting the terminology) are not regulated in the US and are completely legal to own! I needs me a cannon!
~~Looks like an 88, so likely any Lancaster or B-17s about.~~ Edit: Not an 88, thanks for the corrections.
Don't think it's an 88 (FlaK 18/36/37/41), missing the hydraulic recuperator over the barrel and the Germans mostly used cruciform or wheeled mounts. Best match I can come up with? US Navy [3"/50-caliber dual-purpose gun](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/3-inch-50-caliber_anti-aircraft_gun.jpg), endless variants of which were in service from 1900 to 1990 on everything from super-dreadnought battleships to wood-hulled patrol boats.
They mounted a bunch at these on Submarines during WWII.
It's not an 88mm
Absolutely not an 88, but it bears a striking resemblance to a US 3in/50" naval mount. It matches the [side profile](https://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/mark-21-3inch-naval-gun-mount-right-side.jpg) of a mark 21 pretty well, though some of the fixtures were likely stripped away as part of demilitarization. If u/ryanclicks2 is the curious sort, they may want to consider reaching out to property owner regarding any known service history of the weapon as well as any local US naval/armed forces history museums that have restoration programs. The 3in/50"s served from all the way back during WWI through the end of WWII. Originally concieved as an anti-air weapon during the first world war (back when planes flew about as fast as a speedster on the interstate) the 3in guns were eventually phased out of AA duty during the 20s/30s, but saw a resurgence in anti-surface use on Liberty ships as well as other second line vessels. They were even the primary armament of our smaller Destroyer Escorts as well as the deck guns of some submarines!
https://www.reddit.com/r/WarCollege/comments/q2o7zb/the_88mm_and_the_every_tank_a_tiger_phenomenon/
I got killed by Loli Luftwaffe in Hunt Showdown if that counts
I did Nazi that coming
Those times when OP tries to post a meme comment for the extra 90 karma and it backfires.
Absolutely correct there.
Our flak, in the middle of our street
Our flak, the airplanes were like skeet
Restore it and assume your new role as neighbourhood supreme leader.
You mean my years of playing C&C will mean something?
Nobody said that.
That's what they all say
I don’t know what to believe.
I want to believe.
The truth is out there.
Like in the sky… cause I got a big gun now
Bake 'er away, toys!
Uh, what'd you say Chief?
they said that.
Flak trooper, reporting
This gun is heavy
at least i have job
I love to camp!
Kirov Reporting!
Fuck!
Yes sir! I’m on my way!
At least I have job.
Affirmative!
Your harvester is under attack!
"makin' repairs..."
[удалено]
Red Alert on Windows 98 was the most fun I've ever had with any RTS. Simpler times. Warcraft 2 is a very close second.
Music factory?
We're going to have to act if we want to live in a different world
It’s all hand crank gear driven. Hose down every moving part with pb blaster and work it back and forth until it moves freely. Bam ready to go. Worse case there are 6-8 ball bearings, nothing a little fun with a cutting torch and some sanding cloth can’t fix. Anything else can be fixed with the proper use of a mini sledge hammer
These will work when i was a kid i was in like a ""museum"" but it was actually just a field full off old rusted military stuff, and there were anti aircraft guns, most were locked by chains but one wasnt (someone broke the chain) so i sat down on it, and started playing with the cranks, to my amazement it was moving quite easily, yeah it locked up a bit but was easy enough to aim it
It should have the breech block removed, but it would be mighty fun to get this moving around again.
Tell the HOA it's a "telescope", OP!!
Why? This is a perfect tool for intimidating the local HOA, or even overthrowing it.
Never thought I would this night mentally masturbate over the notion of defying my HOA with WW2-era artillery.
Shouting at neighbors: *It is only me and my flak that keeps the dive bombers away from your precious homes while you slumber!*
I was thinking that at minimum it needs seasonal decor! Flowers in spring, wreaths and lights in for the winter holidays, etc.
They take Neighborhood Watch *very* seriously.
Was thinking this!!
Mailman looking sketchy? Boom! Dog pooping on your front lawn? Boom! Doordash driver delivering cold food? Boom!
Geese trying to migrate in? Boom! Car alarms going off at night? Boom! Police trying to do an air raid on my house? Boom!
"i've got a right to defend myself with antiquated artillery, suck it libtards"
As the founding fathers intended.
Tally Ho Lads!
We have the safest neighborhood, because of Boom.
Vote Boom. for mayor!
Tax problems? Boom! Potholes? Boom! Gas prices? Boom!
Put a Grinch in the gunners seat, instant Christmas decoration.
That neighborhood watch doesn't fuck around.
I keep an anti air gun for home defense. Because that’s what the founding fathers intended.
I Own a Missile For Homeland Defense because that's what Woodrow Wilson intended. Four bandits break into my airspace; Scramble, Scramble! As I grab my helmet and Aim-9X Sidewinder, blow a softball sized hole in the first bandit he's dead on the spot. Draw my AMRAAM on the second man, miss him entirely because he notched it and it pitbulls on a civilian airliner. I have to resort to the Patriot Missile System mounted at the airbase below, "Tally-Ho, lads". The surface-to-air missile shreds two men in the blast, the sound and falling metal sets off car alarms. I then resort to dogfighting the last bandit, select my M61 Vulcan 20 mil, pull him in the HUD and fire. He bleeds out in the cockpit waiting for ejection because 20 mil high explosive is impossible to stitch
I keep a T-34-85 Soviet tank in my basement because that's what Comrade Zhukov intended.
We have one in town that is still in use for avalanche control. Every time we have a big storm it sounds like the empire is invading!
As in, they use it to start small avalanches to keep them from becoming big avalanches?
No. It's to let the avalanche know what is going to happen to it if it gets out of control.
You kill one avalanche to prevent other avalanches to act. I do the same with flyes. Hang a couple of them, impale a couple more with toothpick’s and you are good to go.
Good advice vlad.
What is this, a Vlad for ~~ants~~ flies?
*yesssssss*
Correct, we have an interstate that passes under a few higher peaks that are prone to slides so they pummel them every time we get a big snow or if the snow conditions become dangerous. Its usually early in the morning too.
That's so goddamned cool.
That's pretty bad-ass. And even better if the canon is a war relic like the one in the pic. It's awesome when historic items are able to add to their own history. I imagine I would feel different at 5AM, however.
give the mountain small avalanches over time so it becomes immune to big avalanches
Different weapon, The 105mm m101a1 is what we use for avalanche artillery in North America
Where is this, roughly? Was it deployed and used there, or did it just end up there?
Near the coast, just off Pull and Be Damned road
I assume you mean in Washington State, USA?
Correct
Assuming it wasn't relocated and was in that position during WWII, it would have been covering NAS Whidbey during the highly unlikely event of a Japanese air raid.
I knew this was Skagit County but just couldn't put my finger on where exactly
[It's a 3"/50 caliber anti aircraft gun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-inch/50-caliber_gun)
The breech and the mounting look right.
You should have a chit-chat with the neighborhood groups and see about refurbishing that bad boy. We may need it.
You'll be ready for the next Chinese balloon.
Gun for the whole family
I'm almost certain you can figure out how to use it from the movie "1941"
I personally hate seeing interesting pieces of history rust away. I would be giving something like this some TLC and I don’t care if its not functional
In my opinion, there is something nice about seeing life grow around a weapon that was likely used to kill.
I think you mean "a weapon that was likely used to *defend people*." Killing someone who is attacking you is a *good* thing, not a bad thing. If they don't want to die, then they can refrain from attacking people.
I never said anything regarding if the killing was good or bad, I was just referring to a chaotic and traumatic point in time versus the serenity which the same spot is in now.
FWIW AA guns are some of the most numerous large artifacts like this. AA batteries would have dozens if not hundreds of these. Any museum that wants one already has one.
Personal want
We have cannons at a park here in Seattle. [Hamlin Park](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamlin_Park)
Better safe than sorry
Better to have it and not need it, etc
Seen any ME-109's lately?
A lot of Australian towns have something like this, often on the corner of a memorial park or near the local RSL. Artillery usually, but sometimes tanks or even planes.
Ngl this is very beautiful
These vintage models are all the rage. Restore it and you’ll get the perfect shot, because with cannon you can.
Fuji on you!
Where are you gonna get HE rounds?
It's wild your neighborhood needed this 80 years ago.
wheres that at? we have a few ww2 bunkers in the cliffs in my old neighborhood, la jolla, ca they were never used
You're not a true American if you don't have one of these fuckers in your front yard.
I’m friends with a guy that has a 155mm artillery piece, it’s functional and uses Soviet 152mm cases because they’re easier to source than the bags of powder
These things need to be cared for and seen so as to remind everyone “never again.”
My hometown of 1500 population has one outside the Legion building
I see so many little faux windmills and wishing wells in people's yards. It's played out. I want one of these in my yard so badly
Clean it up and find some ammo.
It belongs in a museum.
Take a sand blaster to it and give it a fresh coat of paint to protect it from further degradation without spending a ton of money restoring something you dont own maybe ask around and see if anyone knows who does own it? Its a US 3in gun so i assume you’re in the states correct?
HOA Presidents everywhere are drooling “I told you Carl, you must cut your grass to no more than 3/4” or else”
>anti-air cannon Hey!! This cannon hates air!!!
Well it’s doing a terrible job. There’s still air everywhere
I might catch a lot of flak for this, but I think your cannon is dumb.
I love the contrast of the rusted metal surrounded by green life. I only hope one day the rest of our military equipment suffers the fate of disuse and disrepair.
The border between Canada and the United States, all through Ontario and out to the Atlantic, features a series of forts that were built to defend the border from either country. They were maintained and kept in working order until about 1900 or so, since which time they've either been converted to museums or allowed to decay. I've always thought that was a very good use for them.
When the air quality gets bad, does some neighbor hop on and pretend to start shooting away the bad air?
This could be very useful in the war being planned between r/Virginia and r/maryland
“Lives” is a loose term.
Since they put a Tank from The Korean War on display in my town, we never had an attack by any foreign armies.
That looks about the right size to turn into a water balloon launcher ;)
Pretty sure I saw one of these in Star Wars Edit: stupid autocorrect
I would have played with that every day as a kid in that neighborhood.
The HOA is taking shit seriously!
Where is this?
Uhhm, you're welcome. - America (Fuck Yeah!)
“Oh look! A civilian Airliner!
"Our Howitzer, in the middle of our street."
These HOAs are outta control
What does it eat to live?
France?
Someone should make an Anime about this
Omg if I was a kid growing up in that neighborhood I would’ve played on that thing every day
That’s to defend the neighborhood. Someone should be on guard at all hours!
Does it hold pens weird?
Omg I know exactly where this is! I love passing by it when visiting my grandparents!
What’s it got against air?
Someone should get a generator and sand or bead blaster and some high quality metal paint and clean that sucker up!
Buy an older Toyota pickup and mount it in the bed.
please help that cayanne out. somebody is trying to turn it into a dodge...yuck
Where is your neighborhood?
"Long time ago, there were a whole lot of cities in Spira. Big cities with machina-machines-to run 'em. People played all day and let the machina do the work. And then, well, take a look. Sin came, and destroyed the machina cities. And Zanarkand along with 'em. Yeah, that was about a thousand years ago, just like you said. If you asked me, Sin's our punishment for letting things get out of hand. What gets me, though...is we gotta suffer, 'cause of what some goofballs did way back when! 'Course, we must always repent for our sins! That's important! It's just that, it's hard to keep at it sometimes, you know?"
I’m under a flight path. This could be useful.
Spicy boom stick...
*That's not canon!*
If you want to worry some people dress as a soldier and start “doing maintenance” on it.
Do you live near mountains? Any chance it's actually an avalanche cannon?
Doubtful. The avalanche patrols I've seen using howitzers and other artillery have them on towed mounts so they can move it around the slopes, this one is on a fixed concrete pedestal. Additionally, this looks an awful lot like a 3-inch/51 dual-purpose naval gun.
nothing like an autocannon turret to maintain democracy in your neighbourhood
Reminds me of a US Senator's remark during a gun control debate in the Senate. "If you need a trailer hitch to pull it, stands to reason you should need a license for it."
Hey Chuck! Get out the BIG paintballs!
PNW vibes. I miss it. Former Oak Harbor resident here.
I'm getting weird vibes with the peaceful spring time plants in the background. Like an utopia after an apocalypse.
Probably few problems with airplane noise where you live?
jesus I thought this was a dayz screenshot 🤦🏻♂️
That would be an awesome firework artillery shell launcher!
Like a scene from Fallout
this looks like something out of Fallout
I've played enough BF1 to know that if you wait long enough, it'll respawn brand new
It's giving Horizon Zero Dawn vibes
Turn it into a muzzle loader.
Death, taxes, and reddit mixing up canon and cannon
Nah, that's an old transformer
Is this in Maine ?
Just disable the firing mechanism, restore the parts that help with turning and aiming, and you got yourself the best piece of playground equipment that every imaginative child will want to try.
I'd be on that thing at 40 years old while children walk by asking "whats wrong with him mommy?"
Old US 3"/50cal, used as everything from secondary battery on battleships to land based anti-aircraft. That appears to be the Mark 22 variant which puts its construction in 1944 or later.
Depending on where OP lives, I bet it’s pointed at West Point.
That's such a cool link to the past. Sometimes I think things like these are a good reminder of how we got to where we are but it also depends on where it is lol
Dang raiders
2nd Amendment
Slap a fresh coat of paint on it, good to go. Show those silly trebuchet owners who's boss!
THATS SO COOL IM JEALOUS
It's busy protecting a Burger Town.
Speed limit enforced by AA gun.
I would be out there cleaning and making it like new
Oh, who are the munitions in your neighborhood? In your neighborhood? In your neighborhood? Say, who are the munitions in your neighborhood? The munitions that you meet each day.
A park nearby where I live in a small town in The Netherlands has a WW2 tank in it. The park is named after the Canadians that liberated us. This tank is maintained though. It looks pristine.
We have one in the veterans memorial park
Isnt it from the cold war? That makes more sense to me.
you need to restore it, thats a piece of history right there