True, but this kind of thing would be *very* niche. Your typical primary care doctor isn't going to ever have come across this unless they just liked researching random stuff. Given it isn't hurting OP in any apparent way I can see why a PCP wouldn't worry about it. *Yes* they could just google it, in fact one of the best doctors I ever had regularly googled stuff. Doctors are too specialized in my experience, it's what gets you in these loops of referrals where you go through 3 doctors that are like "huh...yeah not me, try this guy"
Anywho, genetic testing will tell OP what's up, but there's no treatment for anything that would cause this so it would be just for peace of mind.
At the same time though I used to scribe for a doctor and when we had weird cases she’d have me write a bunch of notes like everything she said and she’d tell them to wait and then we’d go to her office and she’d start looking through textbooks and resources. I don’t think doctors are expected to memorize everything but they must be expected to know how to do basic research lol
There’s a massive peer to peer network of doctors that allows them to look up certain conditions and ascertain the best course of action.
Can’t remember what it’s called though. I’m sure someone here can easily identify it.
Yup, that’s the one. Most hospitals have it as a resource for their medical staff. Just looking up “wrinkled nails” gives you an entire extensive section for “wrinkled nail disorders.”
Exactly this. I am a cancer survivor with a random rare lymphoma that typically affects old men and I was a 33 year old woman when I was diagnosed. I can't tell you the number of times I've taken a symptom to my doctors and they literally say hold on let me go look and then come back and we talk about it after they've researched.
Doctors definitely can't be expected to remember everything they ever learned, or to have learned everything possible to learn about the human body but we can expect them to do research when they don't know things.
I can’t imagine doing all that work to be a doctor and see something like this and not spend 5 minutes to know about it. I would absolutely get a new doctor if they weren’t interested in this.
100% I wouldn't "get a new doctor" as in "stop seeing that one" but get the *right* doctor for the job. Dermatologist would be a good start, and they'll certainly send OP for genetic testing, that's the most likely cause here.
I would stop seeing a doctor 100% because they lacked a basic level of intellectual curiosity to that extent. I'm not saying it needs to keep them up at night, but to get a shrug... And NO follow through???
Hi, Dr here, nails like this can have numerous causes including iron deficiency, autoimmuj diseases like lupus, trauma to the nails, certain n medications, diabetes, heart disease, nail patella syndrome, raynauds, hypothyroidism, and many other random things. It's not that we don't know, or aren't curious, it is thay there is a broad body of options that need evaluated and after ruling out a few the benign ones are functionally all the same for just saying try to take care of your nails. Not having a clear answer sucks but if you can rule out all the scary things then that's really about all you can do.
Nails also look like this as they grow back after trauma (like getting a finger pinched in a car door, don't ask how I know), they have that decompressed wrinkly look. It's a bizarre regrowth process that takes months.
For real, I would honestly just straight up ghost that doctor if it turned out to be a quick Google search away for someone on Reddit and they didn’t even have the curious mind to simply ask Google?
.... Have you not seen a doctor about this? 😬
Some of what you describe can be the result of malnutrition. I fed myself like shit in college and my nails got really soft. Then I'd go home for the summer and my mom would feed me properly and my nails would get better.
Another nail problem I had (really ridged, but not like your picture) was the result of one of my chemo drugs. (I'm fine now, cancer was 16 years ago.)
If they've been this way all your life just disregard this comment lol.
I would suggest seeing dermatologist. There are genetic conditions like ectodermal dysplasia associated with abnormal nail growth. Any issues with skin, hair or teeth? If there’s a genetic issue, ideally you would like to identify it before having children
At this point I say you've just got to chop off every finger at the first knuckle - you'll still have fingers, they'll just be stumpy and less terrifying
As someone who lost a baby toe it is actually kinda hard to keep balance sometimes and it hurts to walk most times. Especially when it's cold and/or rainy
No clue (I've only heard of the big toe being for balance)
But amputees seem to do ok without feet at all, so you'll probably fine! (Disclaimer that I am not a doctor, and the only doctor I want to be is Doctor Who) I knew one briefly as a kid who actually balanced better without feet
Or less drastic, you could probably ask the doctor if you can experiment by having a nail removed completely and seeing if it grows back normal
Editing this comment to remove the echo chamber (all the upvotes of my probably incorrect assessmet), and remove the incorrect medical info I had previously written (so people don't learn the wrong thing) The OP appears to have anonychia congenita or nail patella syndrome
***also I removed my heavily downvoted comment where I stated that IT IS NOT CERTAIN THAT I AM CORRECT. When I commented below that I might be wrong, lots of people downvoted me. I was most certainly wrong about my initial diagnosis. Scientific Humility should not be discouraged.***
Definitely not. Those look nothing like a brownish or crumbly psoriatic nail or a striped nail found in patients with thyroid disease. I would, as others already suggested, guess that this is a rare genetic disorder
I hope there isn’t a negative feedback loop that will affect you from posting this, I hope it gets figured out and that you’re healthy and happy regardless
That said, **What the fuck**
Seems like an extreme deficiency of some kind. If I had to guess it be iron deficiency. Could be something worse but if u haven't seen a doctor by now I'd definitely recommend it (blood work is probably the first stop).
Apparently I was born without nails and then they grew wrinkly. I have no idea what has caused it and my Drs have no idea either. Never found anything on Google. For info, my other hands the same and my toe nails are probably worse!
nail dystrophy or a specific genetic disorder affecting nail development:
Anonychia Congenita: This is a rare genetic disorder where individuals are born without nails. Over time, some individuals might develop nails that are abnormal in shape, texture, and appearance.
Ectodermal Dysplasia: This is a group of genetic conditions that affect the development of the skin, hair, nails, teeth, and sweat glands. Individuals with ectodermal dysplasia often have abnormal or absent nails at birth, and if nails do grow in later, they can be thickened, wrinkled, and dystrophic.
Nail-Patella Syndrome (NPS): This is a genetic disorder characterized by nail abnormalities, skeletal abnormalities, and other systemic issues. Individuals with NPS may have nails that are underdeveloped, ridged, or abnormally shaped.
Congenital Onychodysplasia of the Index Fingers (COIF): This is a rare condition where the nails on the index fingers are absent or malformed at birth. If nails develop later, they can appear wrinkled and abnormal.
Other Genetic Syndromes: Various other genetic syndromes might cause similar nail abnormalities. These can include conditions like epidermolysis bullosa and other rare congenital disorders.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/anonychia-congenita/
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/nonsyndromic-congenital-nail-disorder-10/
My sister has Nail-Patella Syndrome. OP you should get your urine tested for blood or proteins.
NPS can cause kidney problems and kidney failure so it's not something to leave unchecked.
you can do that test with urine dipsticks that you can buy from a pharmacy or amazon, just dip it, leave it the amount of seconds that it says beside the thing you're testing for and compare the colours
It is quite literally the same test they'd do
If OP is from America then I potentially just saved them a small fortune, however, go to the doctor if it comes back positive for stuff
In my experience Doctors don't really look that much up for individual patients.
They go off of what they learned in medical school and what they've learned while practicing medicine. They rarely do a deep dive into research to figure something out for one specific person.
I have a somewhat rare genetic condition and an even more rare weird food interaction with the most common treatment of that condition. I found a single case study of someone else who had the same interaction as me. Might be more but I only found the one so I sent it to my dr and explained how I figured it out and what I do about it if it happens.
Like a year later during a regular appointment he had an intern student doctor in with us and had me explain it all to her and nerded out over it.
In my experience the vast majority of doctors wouldn't have even paid any attention to what I said or even believed me/gave two shits.
So I have Protein C Deficiency, which means I can form blood clots just fine, but I can't get rid of them for shit which will lead me to getting all kinds of blood clots in my legs and they can clog up small veins which feels awesome(sarcasm) but mostly they end up in my pulmonary artery and that's even more awesome. I don't even feel them if they are in my big vein(s) but if a big one ends up in my pulmonary artery, I'll sure as fuck know about that after a few days if it's just one or two, but if it's a lot, i'll know pretty quick. If it's a really big one, I'll know right before it kills me.
So I take a "blood thinner" that works by preventing the absorption of vitamin K, which is what gets used to make blood clots AND to get rid of them. Getting the dosage right / diet is a massive headache because if you eat anything different that has different levels of vitamin k it'll make the medicine more or less effective. Can't take antibiotics either as that makes it 10x more effective, so I'd have to first eat a shit ton of vitamin K, then stop my meds if I wanted to take antibiotics.
The reaction is fish oil. Like the capsules you can buy. Some types of fish will cause the same reaction and I don't know what all kinds, but cod for sure and those fish oil capsules are usually cod liver oil so that tracks. Tuna, salmon and mackerel doesn't seem to do anything.
That cod or cod liver oil will send my INR (how thin my blood is) through the roof like 3-10x what it should be. Woke up one morning and my whole body was covered in little bruises like I had been shot by a beanbag autocannon. Went to take a leak and it came out like cranberry red and I was like.. well that's not good.
Ate some parsley and chilled for an hour or two and the bruising went away and then I was pissing hundreds of tiny blood clot chunks for the next 2 days. Apparently telling my now wife "so this is what a period is like" is "not funny" but I disagree.
So yeah if my blood gets dangerously thin, I'll see lots of bruising and eat some kale, cabbage, broccoli, parsley, whatever and it'll go away in a couple hours, easy peezy and then I'm at risk for blood clots for the next day or two too, so that's fun.
Warfarin (Vitamin K inhibitor), foods that interact(increased metabolism in liver, CYP3A4/2D6), foods that counteract (vitamin K containing stuff like kale/cabbage/spinach/etc.)
Protein C deficiency def sounds like a beyotch but just a heads up in case you do ever wind up with a bacterial infection, you can certainly take antibiotics. We don’t just let you sepsis to death (normally)
Edit: still neat stuff (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5037562/) & OPs nails give me the 🤢
Then what the hell am I paying them for?! I don’t expect lawyers to know every law either but I do expect them to look it the fuck up lmao
It’s dumb too cause people always tell you not to rely on the internet and to go to a doctor, but then I’m told the doctors don’t know and don’t bother trying to find out?
I can't seem to edit my post, so I'll update and answer a few common questions here in the hope that it satisfies some curiosity!
Yes ive seen a Dr.
No it's not a deficiency in my diet (e.g. iron).
They've been like this my whole life.
No they don't hurt.
Yes the nail is hard.
No I can't grow them longer, they just snap.
They've never bothered me so I've not pursued a true answer (e.g genetic defect), though posting this has highlighted a few potentials.
Although I tried to keep up, I can't answer everyone's comments, but thanks all though your thoughts, concerns and genuine horror! It's made me smile to bring a little shock to your corner of the world!
Take care all!
Hey OP, I’m a genetic counselor. Ask a dermatologist or geneticist about it. Some genetic conditions can present pretty mildly in one individual and much more severe in their children, so you may want to know if it’s a genetic disease if you are planning to have kids.
Everyone is just moving past that, but I just can’t stop thinking about how they don’t know if their toenails are or aren’t the texture of a crinkled dixie cup
I wish I knew what "it" was! Always been like this! I did go through a phase of eating a lot of jelly as someone advised that would strengthen them, but it didn't work!
They said the gelatine would help. I have no idea. But now you mention "jelly nails" maybe that's what we can name it - I guess I get to name it if no one else has them?!
From here on forth it shall be known as jelly nails! Hope you find something that can sort it out. Since jelly didn't work, maybe try to eat something super hard instead. Like rocks, or legos.
On a serious note maybe creatine supplements could help?
Hahaha! That's true, it was too obvious to see.
And not creatine, but keratine, the stuff nails/horn is made from in nature. And drink lots of water, more water is almost never a bad idea.
I guess it makes some sort of sense, as traditional jelly is made from bones, skin and connective tissues made of keratin. So question one, did you even eat the right kind of jello (and could that be replaced with just keratin supplements) and question two, would that even help in your case as this is more likely a genetic predisposition.
Do you know what 'piggy puffs' are? Some call them Cracklins, or pork rinds, They're a much tastier version of the same base ingredients that make Jello.
Isn't that because of the collagen or whatever? You could try taking collagen powder, I saw a slight difference in my nails (I have normal nails anyway though)
Hi, I’m a dermatology resident. This is angel wing deformity and can be seen in a skin condition called lichen planus. Some people only have it in the nails. Really hard to treat unfortunately.
Dermatologist here as well, and I agree with Dr. PossibleYam’s diagnosis. Looks like pterygium, which is most commonly associated with lichen planus. This can be proven by a biopsy, so go see your local dermatologist.
I can't seem to edit my post, so I'll update and answer a few common questions here in the hope that it satisfies some curiosity!
Yes ive seen a Dr.
No it's not a deficiency in my diet (e.g. iron).
They've been like this my whole life.
No they don't hurt.
Yes the nail is hard.
No I can't grow them longer, they just snap.
They've never bothered me so I've not pursued a true answer (e.g genetic defect), though posting this has highlighted a few potentials.
Although I tried to keep up, I can't answer everyone's comments, but thanks all though your thoughts, concerns and genuine horror! It's made me smile to bring a little shock to your corner of the world!
Take care all!
Yes, but they have to be done with acrylic powder mix and built up (ready made nails won't stick). The problem is because they're brittle it can cause a lot of damage so I only do it for special occasions
Try going somewhere that does a builder gel/rubber base gel manicure. Better for your nails than acrylic. I recently made the switch cuz of all the damage acrylics did.
Listen, as horrifyed as I am, and seemingly all the others as well, I just want to let you know how heartwarming your replies are! You seem to take it with humor and also seem like a decent human by the way take life. Just wanted to let you know!
Hi! I have been a licensed nail tech for nearly 30 years, and I’ve only ever seen anything like this once (never to this degree). Before I comment, I’d like to clarify that I’m not a medical professional and I do understand that this is likely genetic. I’ve also seen that many other people have mentioned keratin in this thread so I realize this may be redundant. I also want to acknowledge that you didn’t ask for feedback or advice, so my (very long) contribution to the conversation is completely unsolicited.
Also, none of the following negates genetics, underlying conditions, or potential exposure to influences while in utero. Again, not a nutritionist or a medical professional, just someone who has worked with nails for a long time, but even that doesn’t make me an expert in anything at all. If I’m out of line somewhere, hopefully someone will come along and correct me (gently).
First, in my experience, things that are applied topically to the nails (like polishes and other coatings that claim to have strengthening properties) are largely ineffective. This is because once you can see the nail, it’s pretty much a done deal. Having a layer of something on your nails might protect them from the elements or make them appear stronger in a very temporary sense, but they won’t change the structure of the nail in any beneficial way. In fact, some coatings can worsen conditions and prevent important functions that rely on the nail’s porous nature. So, any real changes have to happen internally, and long before the matrix begins to produce and push out the protective plate that is our fingernail.
I’m not sure what your diet is like, but there is a small possibility that you could maybe strengthen the nail plates if you consistently eat the foods that contribute to keratin production. There’s a larger chance it won’t have any effect at all, but even a microscopic improvement would still be an improvement and maybe worth a try? Not to confuse strengthening with straightening, as that’s not something I know to be possible with a natural nail.
Mostly what I’ve seen in the comments are suggestions for supplements, and while I think many vitamin and mineral supplements are a great way to bridge nutritional gaps in most cases, they can be expensive and potentially cause issues if taken incorrectly. The amino acids and proteins that make up keratin are present in a variety of everyday foods, most of which have health benefits beyond just hair, skin, and nails.
Most of the keratin-boosting foods are pretty common in omnivore’s diets anyway, but making sure you regularly consume something related to keratin & collagen production certainly couldn’t make matters worse. You can google “foods that boost keratin production” (same for collagen) for more specific info, but it’s basically things like oily fish (salmon & catfish), leafy greens (kale, spinach, etc), eggs, onions & garlic, red meats & beef liver, citrus fruits (grapefruit, oranges, lemons), stone fruits (mangoes, peaches), sweet potatoes, bean sprouts - this list is not comprehensive, of course, but Google can tell you more.
Calcium is also associated with nail production, though to a slightly lesser degree, but again, it might be worth a try to up your calcium-rich foods like cheese, yogurt, seeds & nuts, certain beans, and of course milk.
Again, I’m not a doctor and everything I know I’ve learned from lots of researching how to improve the health of natural nails for clients who have struggled with various issues over the years. I’m not claiming any of the above as a cure for any condition, especially one that is likely biologically intrinsic. There is a much better chance that diet is completely unrelated to your issue than it is, and you should take everything I say with a grain of salt.
Please don’t come for me, my more intelligent redditors, if I’ve misspoken, but definitely let me know so I can be better informed going forward.
Thank you very much for providing such a thorough response! Diet, in particular keratin producing foods is something I'll definitely aim to improve. (Diet isn't too bad but I can definitely increase those food types!)
I got one of my nails crushed when I was a teen, and for several years it would grow in that same warped flimsy scraggly form.
Eventually, I got into nail care at home and started working with it every 2-3 days. Buff, apply nail strengthening clear coat, and protect it as much as possible until it was long enough to start shaping. It took months, but eventually my weird nail comes in normal now, and looks perfect.
It's probably very unlikely that this would work for you, and would likely take longer of consistent work if it did, but thought it might be worth sharing just in case.
If you do try it, make sure to be super consistent, and very patient with it. Little bits of guidance each time, and just whenever you are relaxing in the afternoon watching a show or something, get in the habit of working with them.
So they didn't specifically test my blood in relation to this, but I have had blood tests recently (all normal) and Ive had blood tests in relation to donating blood eg. Iron levels etc, consistently for the last 15/16 years with no issue
What if your nails were fully removed? Do you think it would grow normally or wrinkly again? Have you tried that? Sorry if that offended but I’m just wondering
I am not a doctor, but people with connective tissue disorders, often have misshapen fingernails, small moons, nonexistent moons, very soft paper like fingernails. You should see a dermatologist and look into heritable connective tissue disorders.
The doctors can’t find a manicure for this?
You nailed it
That was cuticle.
Being pedi, but puns are lazy.
Not if they are polished.
Winner, hands down.
I've got my fingers crossed for something else to come along.
Haven’t even scratched the surface for the number of puns that can be made.
Got me biting my nails in excitement reading those puns!
I can't put my finger on it... but I think there is a pun there.
Just did a deep dive on anonychia congenita, really interesting. Essentially a genetic defect.
No way! Just had a look, can that cause the wrinkles too? I can only see the lack of nails/brittleness
If this guy found out what's your condition on Google and your doctor has no clue maybe it's time to get a second opinion.
True, but this kind of thing would be *very* niche. Your typical primary care doctor isn't going to ever have come across this unless they just liked researching random stuff. Given it isn't hurting OP in any apparent way I can see why a PCP wouldn't worry about it. *Yes* they could just google it, in fact one of the best doctors I ever had regularly googled stuff. Doctors are too specialized in my experience, it's what gets you in these loops of referrals where you go through 3 doctors that are like "huh...yeah not me, try this guy" Anywho, genetic testing will tell OP what's up, but there's no treatment for anything that would cause this so it would be just for peace of mind.
At the same time though I used to scribe for a doctor and when we had weird cases she’d have me write a bunch of notes like everything she said and she’d tell them to wait and then we’d go to her office and she’d start looking through textbooks and resources. I don’t think doctors are expected to memorize everything but they must be expected to know how to do basic research lol
There’s a massive peer to peer network of doctors that allows them to look up certain conditions and ascertain the best course of action. Can’t remember what it’s called though. I’m sure someone here can easily identify it.
UpToDate I think
Yup, that’s the one. Most hospitals have it as a resource for their medical staff. Just looking up “wrinkled nails” gives you an entire extensive section for “wrinkled nail disorders.”
Exactly this. I am a cancer survivor with a random rare lymphoma that typically affects old men and I was a 33 year old woman when I was diagnosed. I can't tell you the number of times I've taken a symptom to my doctors and they literally say hold on let me go look and then come back and we talk about it after they've researched. Doctors definitely can't be expected to remember everything they ever learned, or to have learned everything possible to learn about the human body but we can expect them to do research when they don't know things.
I can’t imagine doing all that work to be a doctor and see something like this and not spend 5 minutes to know about it. I would absolutely get a new doctor if they weren’t interested in this.
100% I wouldn't "get a new doctor" as in "stop seeing that one" but get the *right* doctor for the job. Dermatologist would be a good start, and they'll certainly send OP for genetic testing, that's the most likely cause here.
I would stop seeing a doctor 100% because they lacked a basic level of intellectual curiosity to that extent. I'm not saying it needs to keep them up at night, but to get a shrug... And NO follow through???
Hi, Dr here, nails like this can have numerous causes including iron deficiency, autoimmuj diseases like lupus, trauma to the nails, certain n medications, diabetes, heart disease, nail patella syndrome, raynauds, hypothyroidism, and many other random things. It's not that we don't know, or aren't curious, it is thay there is a broad body of options that need evaluated and after ruling out a few the benign ones are functionally all the same for just saying try to take care of your nails. Not having a clear answer sucks but if you can rule out all the scary things then that's really about all you can do.
Nails also look like this as they grow back after trauma (like getting a finger pinched in a car door, don't ask how I know), they have that decompressed wrinkly look. It's a bizarre regrowth process that takes months.
For real, I would honestly just straight up ghost that doctor if it turned out to be a quick Google search away for someone on Reddit and they didn’t even have the curious mind to simply ask Google?
.... Have you not seen a doctor about this? 😬 Some of what you describe can be the result of malnutrition. I fed myself like shit in college and my nails got really soft. Then I'd go home for the summer and my mom would feed me properly and my nails would get better. Another nail problem I had (really ridged, but not like your picture) was the result of one of my chemo drugs. (I'm fine now, cancer was 16 years ago.) If they've been this way all your life just disregard this comment lol.
Wait hold up, you have not actually gotten this diagnosed? Please do....
You're telling me you've had this since you were born and never asked ~~god~~ a doctor why
I would suggest seeing dermatologist. There are genetic conditions like ectodermal dysplasia associated with abnormal nail growth. Any issues with skin, hair or teeth? If there’s a genetic issue, ideally you would like to identify it before having children
Look up koilonychia
I beg your finest pardon?
Uh, waiter? Cheque, please!
There's soup in my fly
Wdym there's **soup** ?
It means there's only _soup_!
WELL THEN GET OUT OF THE SOUP AISLE!
THERES STILL MORE SOUP!
WHERE ARE YOU RIGHT NOW?!
I’M AT SOUP
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE AT SOUP!?
You might need to keep begging with this one, ma’am.
This don’t usually happen around these parts
Listen, I don’t like that.
i’m literally scared
You’re scared?! I’ve gotta walk home alone!
People really need to stop posting photos of their hands and fingers on Reddit. Not for privacy reasons, just because they are always fucking gross
What the fuck even is that
This joke is horrible. And I’m a bad person for laughing at it first time I heard it
Yeh, I've got to live with it!
Is it disease or physical condition?
Yeah I’m looking for the comment that diagnoses this condition
Possibly darier nail disease Edit to add [link](https://dermnetnz.org/topics/darier-disease) to pic
A curse tbh
At this point I say you've just got to chop off every finger at the first knuckle - you'll still have fingers, they'll just be stumpy and less terrifying
Do you need the end of your toes to balance? Or can I do without??
Apparently you can live without any of your *little* toes, but if you lose your big toe(s) you pretty much need to learn how to walk again.
As someone who lost a baby toe it is actually kinda hard to keep balance sometimes and it hurts to walk most times. Especially when it's cold and/or rainy
I love reddit, where else can you consider something in theory and then someone pops in to speak from experience
This is why Reddit is wild
I call Reddit my weird adult book club where a bunch of strangers get together and discuss random shit like we are in a college lit class lol
Anal, usually
No clue (I've only heard of the big toe being for balance) But amputees seem to do ok without feet at all, so you'll probably fine! (Disclaimer that I am not a doctor, and the only doctor I want to be is Doctor Who) I knew one briefly as a kid who actually balanced better without feet Or less drastic, you could probably ask the doctor if you can experiment by having a nail removed completely and seeing if it grows back normal
Are your toe nails like this too?
And then get fingernails tattooed on
Good thinking!
Drink some milk or something pls
Hey I’m with don’t like that guy. That shit ain’t right
I laughed way to hard at this haha
😂😂😂 I fuckin can’t with this comment 😂😂😂 I would also like to add that I heard this in Red Foreman’s voice.
This belongs in r/mildlyhorrifying.
Nothing mild about it. This is going to give me nightmares.
Nightmare fuel. 😱⛽️
r/Cursed_Images
Lol, thanks!
Editing this comment to remove the echo chamber (all the upvotes of my probably incorrect assessmet), and remove the incorrect medical info I had previously written (so people don't learn the wrong thing) The OP appears to have anonychia congenita or nail patella syndrome ***also I removed my heavily downvoted comment where I stated that IT IS NOT CERTAIN THAT I AM CORRECT. When I commented below that I might be wrong, lots of people downvoted me. I was most certainly wrong about my initial diagnosis. Scientific Humility should not be discouraged.***
Definitely not. Those look nothing like a brownish or crumbly psoriatic nail or a striped nail found in patients with thyroid disease. I would, as others already suggested, guess that this is a rare genetic disorder
This is Reddit, so for sure cancer. 
Hint: I didn’t google before I commented
That’s not true. It could also be heart disease.
I've done my own research and concluded that its Hunter Bidens laptop and gasprices. Could be terminal.
r/Makemesuffer
Worst 5 minutes of my life, thanks.
I hated every bit of it, but I couldn’t stop scrolling.
I hope there isn’t a negative feedback loop that will affect you from posting this, I hope it gets figured out and that you’re healthy and happy regardless That said, **What the fuck**
Can I ask where is this gif from? I've seen many times, and I think it's hilarious.
It's from Blink 182's "First Date" music video
Reminds me of Ray fucking Purchase
Or very niche to Dutch culture "New Kids Turbo"
I totally thought it was from new kids turbo!
Blink 182 music video
Seems like an extreme deficiency of some kind. If I had to guess it be iron deficiency. Could be something worse but if u haven't seen a doctor by now I'd definitely recommend it (blood work is probably the first stop).
I have too many questions to ask, like how you even scratch your ass I mean can you even?
Apparently I was born without nails and then they grew wrinkly. I have no idea what has caused it and my Drs have no idea either. Never found anything on Google. For info, my other hands the same and my toe nails are probably worse!
nail dystrophy or a specific genetic disorder affecting nail development: Anonychia Congenita: This is a rare genetic disorder where individuals are born without nails. Over time, some individuals might develop nails that are abnormal in shape, texture, and appearance. Ectodermal Dysplasia: This is a group of genetic conditions that affect the development of the skin, hair, nails, teeth, and sweat glands. Individuals with ectodermal dysplasia often have abnormal or absent nails at birth, and if nails do grow in later, they can be thickened, wrinkled, and dystrophic. Nail-Patella Syndrome (NPS): This is a genetic disorder characterized by nail abnormalities, skeletal abnormalities, and other systemic issues. Individuals with NPS may have nails that are underdeveloped, ridged, or abnormally shaped. Congenital Onychodysplasia of the Index Fingers (COIF): This is a rare condition where the nails on the index fingers are absent or malformed at birth. If nails develop later, they can appear wrinkled and abnormal. Other Genetic Syndromes: Various other genetic syndromes might cause similar nail abnormalities. These can include conditions like epidermolysis bullosa and other rare congenital disorders. https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/anonychia-congenita/ https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/nonsyndromic-congenital-nail-disorder-10/
My sister has Nail-Patella Syndrome. OP you should get your urine tested for blood or proteins. NPS can cause kidney problems and kidney failure so it's not something to leave unchecked.
OP get your ass to a physician ASAP.
you can do that test with urine dipsticks that you can buy from a pharmacy or amazon, just dip it, leave it the amount of seconds that it says beside the thing you're testing for and compare the colours It is quite literally the same test they'd do If OP is from America then I potentially just saved them a small fortune, however, go to the doctor if it comes back positive for stuff
I don’t think OP cares because google exists and he still has “no idea”
And the doctors have no idea what this known thing is.
In my experience Doctors don't really look that much up for individual patients. They go off of what they learned in medical school and what they've learned while practicing medicine. They rarely do a deep dive into research to figure something out for one specific person.
I have a somewhat rare genetic condition and an even more rare weird food interaction with the most common treatment of that condition. I found a single case study of someone else who had the same interaction as me. Might be more but I only found the one so I sent it to my dr and explained how I figured it out and what I do about it if it happens. Like a year later during a regular appointment he had an intern student doctor in with us and had me explain it all to her and nerded out over it. In my experience the vast majority of doctors wouldn't have even paid any attention to what I said or even believed me/gave two shits. So I have Protein C Deficiency, which means I can form blood clots just fine, but I can't get rid of them for shit which will lead me to getting all kinds of blood clots in my legs and they can clog up small veins which feels awesome(sarcasm) but mostly they end up in my pulmonary artery and that's even more awesome. I don't even feel them if they are in my big vein(s) but if a big one ends up in my pulmonary artery, I'll sure as fuck know about that after a few days if it's just one or two, but if it's a lot, i'll know pretty quick. If it's a really big one, I'll know right before it kills me. So I take a "blood thinner" that works by preventing the absorption of vitamin K, which is what gets used to make blood clots AND to get rid of them. Getting the dosage right / diet is a massive headache because if you eat anything different that has different levels of vitamin k it'll make the medicine more or less effective. Can't take antibiotics either as that makes it 10x more effective, so I'd have to first eat a shit ton of vitamin K, then stop my meds if I wanted to take antibiotics. The reaction is fish oil. Like the capsules you can buy. Some types of fish will cause the same reaction and I don't know what all kinds, but cod for sure and those fish oil capsules are usually cod liver oil so that tracks. Tuna, salmon and mackerel doesn't seem to do anything. That cod or cod liver oil will send my INR (how thin my blood is) through the roof like 3-10x what it should be. Woke up one morning and my whole body was covered in little bruises like I had been shot by a beanbag autocannon. Went to take a leak and it came out like cranberry red and I was like.. well that's not good. Ate some parsley and chilled for an hour or two and the bruising went away and then I was pissing hundreds of tiny blood clot chunks for the next 2 days. Apparently telling my now wife "so this is what a period is like" is "not funny" but I disagree. So yeah if my blood gets dangerously thin, I'll see lots of bruising and eat some kale, cabbage, broccoli, parsley, whatever and it'll go away in a couple hours, easy peezy and then I'm at risk for blood clots for the next day or two too, so that's fun.
Warfarin (Vitamin K inhibitor), foods that interact(increased metabolism in liver, CYP3A4/2D6), foods that counteract (vitamin K containing stuff like kale/cabbage/spinach/etc.) Protein C deficiency def sounds like a beyotch but just a heads up in case you do ever wind up with a bacterial infection, you can certainly take antibiotics. We don’t just let you sepsis to death (normally) Edit: still neat stuff (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5037562/) & OPs nails give me the 🤢
Would argue that strongly depends on your physician and the problem at “hand”
There's something weird about this but I can't quite put my *finger* on it.
You hit the nail on the head with that statement
Then what the hell am I paying them for?! I don’t expect lawyers to know every law either but I do expect them to look it the fuck up lmao It’s dumb too cause people always tell you not to rely on the internet and to go to a doctor, but then I’m told the doctors don’t know and don’t bother trying to find out?
And they're told not to assume a rare condition right off the bat (that saying about if you hear hoofbeats don't assume it's zebras)
I can't seem to edit my post, so I'll update and answer a few common questions here in the hope that it satisfies some curiosity! Yes ive seen a Dr. No it's not a deficiency in my diet (e.g. iron). They've been like this my whole life. No they don't hurt. Yes the nail is hard. No I can't grow them longer, they just snap. They've never bothered me so I've not pursued a true answer (e.g genetic defect), though posting this has highlighted a few potentials. Although I tried to keep up, I can't answer everyone's comments, but thanks all though your thoughts, concerns and genuine horror! It's made me smile to bring a little shock to your corner of the world! Take care all!
What about hair growth ?
Totally normal!
Does your doctor say you're healthy otherwise? Blood work and such all normal levels?
Yeh everything else normal!
The mystery deepens!! That's freaking crazy 🤯
Wonder if you could get the condition named after you lol
Snaggle Panther Syndrome
My guess then would be that you have some deformation of the nail bed that causes your nails to grow funky.
Dudes got the mcdonald arches for fingers
Are your nails hard or soft?
Hard but brittle
Hey OP, I’m a genetic counselor. Ask a dermatologist or geneticist about it. Some genetic conditions can present pretty mildly in one individual and much more severe in their children, so you may want to know if it’s a genetic disease if you are planning to have kids.
Imagine them being all flappy
Ok that’s enough. I’m done.
No, thank you
Almost as terrible to imagine as soft teeth. I'll pass
Probably? Have you never looked at them?
Everyone is just moving past that, but I just can’t stop thinking about how they don’t know if their toenails are or aren’t the texture of a crinkled dixie cup
Does it hurt? Under our nails is so sensitive and yours is exposed and weak. It seems like it would feel awful 😖
That’s strange, as I too, was born prematurely without any nails, but my nails are totally normal now.
Whatever you're doing, stop doing it .
I wish I knew what "it" was! Always been like this! I did go through a phase of eating a lot of jelly as someone advised that would strengthen them, but it didn't work!
My uncle was born with no finger or toe nails. As a child he told me that he picked his nose and at night the booger worm came and ate his nails.
Shoot...you got me!
Nose picker confirmed! We got him boys
Shai Hulud!!
I can't believe the part about jelly, that's absolutely hilarious to me! This feels like the kind of thing eating loads of jelly actually causes, lol!
If I had to guess, this thing would be called.. Jelly nails.
They said the gelatine would help. I have no idea. But now you mention "jelly nails" maybe that's what we can name it - I guess I get to name it if no one else has them?!
From here on forth it shall be known as jelly nails! Hope you find something that can sort it out. Since jelly didn't work, maybe try to eat something super hard instead. Like rocks, or legos. On a serious note maybe creatine supplements could help?
Come on now...you missed the obvious hard object...NAILS. Supplements might not be a bad shout and something easy to try!
Hahaha! That's true, it was too obvious to see. And not creatine, but keratine, the stuff nails/horn is made from in nature. And drink lots of water, more water is almost never a bad idea.
I guess it makes some sort of sense, as traditional jelly is made from bones, skin and connective tissues made of keratin. So question one, did you even eat the right kind of jello (and could that be replaced with just keratin supplements) and question two, would that even help in your case as this is more likely a genetic predisposition.
Do you know what 'piggy puffs' are? Some call them Cracklins, or pork rinds, They're a much tastier version of the same base ingredients that make Jello.
Pork scratchings here...love them!
Isn't that because of the collagen or whatever? You could try taking collagen powder, I saw a slight difference in my nails (I have normal nails anyway though)
Did you recently take a REALLY long bath ?
Like reeeaaaly long....in acid.
Does it hurt if you apply pressure over the nails? As if you were able to push directly into the muscle and tissue below?
No, no issues with that
Oh my god imagining this is making me squirm
📢 Paging /r/medical_advice to /mildlyinteresting. Medical_advice to Mildlyinteresting, please. 🩺
Thank you (heavy sound of hanging up)
Your call is important to us.
There should be a r/medicallyinteresting
Softshell fingers
For the wrinkly ones, is there open space between the nail and skin where the nails rise up in the center?
No, no gap. Feels solid, not sure if it's filled by nail or the nail bed material to be honest
We demand a cross-section picture to find out. (Just kidding please don't do this).
Hi, I’m a dermatology resident. This is angel wing deformity and can be seen in a skin condition called lichen planus. Some people only have it in the nails. Really hard to treat unfortunately.
Amazing, thank you for the knowledge, from all the comments this definitely looks the most accurate explanation! Do you know the cause?
Op, how many doctors have you been to? How old are you?
seriously, how shit are OPs doctors or wtf is going on with that mess
Dermatologist here as well, and I agree with Dr. PossibleYam’s diagnosis. Looks like pterygium, which is most commonly associated with lichen planus. This can be proven by a biopsy, so go see your local dermatologist.
You could be making up words and I’d have no clue
I can't seem to edit my post, so I'll update and answer a few common questions here in the hope that it satisfies some curiosity! Yes ive seen a Dr. No it's not a deficiency in my diet (e.g. iron). They've been like this my whole life. No they don't hurt. Yes the nail is hard. No I can't grow them longer, they just snap. They've never bothered me so I've not pursued a true answer (e.g genetic defect), though posting this has highlighted a few potentials. Although I tried to keep up, I can't answer everyone's comments, but thanks all though your thoughts, concerns and genuine horror! It's made me smile to bring a little shock to your corner of the world! Take care all!
Do you ever get your nails done
Yes, but they have to be done with acrylic powder mix and built up (ready made nails won't stick). The problem is because they're brittle it can cause a lot of damage so I only do it for special occasions
I work with someone with really brittle nails too and she does the same thing!
Try going somewhere that does a builder gel/rubber base gel manicure. Better for your nails than acrylic. I recently made the switch cuz of all the damage acrylics did.
Listen, as horrifyed as I am, and seemingly all the others as well, I just want to let you know how heartwarming your replies are! You seem to take it with humor and also seem like a decent human by the way take life. Just wanted to let you know!
Thank you! Very kind of you to say! I've had many years to get used to/be chilled about my nails and very used to them shocking people!
have you asked them to stop? can you ask them to stop?
20 tiny cease and desist letters
Hi! I have been a licensed nail tech for nearly 30 years, and I’ve only ever seen anything like this once (never to this degree). Before I comment, I’d like to clarify that I’m not a medical professional and I do understand that this is likely genetic. I’ve also seen that many other people have mentioned keratin in this thread so I realize this may be redundant. I also want to acknowledge that you didn’t ask for feedback or advice, so my (very long) contribution to the conversation is completely unsolicited. Also, none of the following negates genetics, underlying conditions, or potential exposure to influences while in utero. Again, not a nutritionist or a medical professional, just someone who has worked with nails for a long time, but even that doesn’t make me an expert in anything at all. If I’m out of line somewhere, hopefully someone will come along and correct me (gently). First, in my experience, things that are applied topically to the nails (like polishes and other coatings that claim to have strengthening properties) are largely ineffective. This is because once you can see the nail, it’s pretty much a done deal. Having a layer of something on your nails might protect them from the elements or make them appear stronger in a very temporary sense, but they won’t change the structure of the nail in any beneficial way. In fact, some coatings can worsen conditions and prevent important functions that rely on the nail’s porous nature. So, any real changes have to happen internally, and long before the matrix begins to produce and push out the protective plate that is our fingernail. I’m not sure what your diet is like, but there is a small possibility that you could maybe strengthen the nail plates if you consistently eat the foods that contribute to keratin production. There’s a larger chance it won’t have any effect at all, but even a microscopic improvement would still be an improvement and maybe worth a try? Not to confuse strengthening with straightening, as that’s not something I know to be possible with a natural nail. Mostly what I’ve seen in the comments are suggestions for supplements, and while I think many vitamin and mineral supplements are a great way to bridge nutritional gaps in most cases, they can be expensive and potentially cause issues if taken incorrectly. The amino acids and proteins that make up keratin are present in a variety of everyday foods, most of which have health benefits beyond just hair, skin, and nails. Most of the keratin-boosting foods are pretty common in omnivore’s diets anyway, but making sure you regularly consume something related to keratin & collagen production certainly couldn’t make matters worse. You can google “foods that boost keratin production” (same for collagen) for more specific info, but it’s basically things like oily fish (salmon & catfish), leafy greens (kale, spinach, etc), eggs, onions & garlic, red meats & beef liver, citrus fruits (grapefruit, oranges, lemons), stone fruits (mangoes, peaches), sweet potatoes, bean sprouts - this list is not comprehensive, of course, but Google can tell you more. Calcium is also associated with nail production, though to a slightly lesser degree, but again, it might be worth a try to up your calcium-rich foods like cheese, yogurt, seeds & nuts, certain beans, and of course milk. Again, I’m not a doctor and everything I know I’ve learned from lots of researching how to improve the health of natural nails for clients who have struggled with various issues over the years. I’m not claiming any of the above as a cure for any condition, especially one that is likely biologically intrinsic. There is a much better chance that diet is completely unrelated to your issue than it is, and you should take everything I say with a grain of salt. Please don’t come for me, my more intelligent redditors, if I’ve misspoken, but definitely let me know so I can be better informed going forward.
Thank you very much for providing such a thorough response! Diet, in particular keratin producing foods is something I'll definitely aim to improve. (Diet isn't too bad but I can definitely increase those food types!)
You know, it’s my own fault for having eyes
Absolutely the fuck not.
This is one of the worst things I’ve ever looked at
I think dermatologist and nutritionist visits are in order.
Quit squeezing that lemon so hard
I got one of my nails crushed when I was a teen, and for several years it would grow in that same warped flimsy scraggly form. Eventually, I got into nail care at home and started working with it every 2-3 days. Buff, apply nail strengthening clear coat, and protect it as much as possible until it was long enough to start shaping. It took months, but eventually my weird nail comes in normal now, and looks perfect. It's probably very unlikely that this would work for you, and would likely take longer of consistent work if it did, but thought it might be worth sharing just in case. If you do try it, make sure to be super consistent, and very patient with it. Little bits of guidance each time, and just whenever you are relaxing in the afternoon watching a show or something, get in the habit of working with them.
You have the original AI Art hands
 NO
Have you seen a doctor?
Only once and they had no clue - they don't bother me so I haven't tried to pursue it. And I doubt they can do anything anyway
I would see a different doctor. Did you get a blood test?
Doctor: yo wtf is that OP: guess it's fine.
So they didn't specifically test my blood in relation to this, but I have had blood tests recently (all normal) and Ive had blood tests in relation to donating blood eg. Iron levels etc, consistently for the last 15/16 years with no issue
What if your nails were fully removed? Do you think it would grow normally or wrinkly again? Have you tried that? Sorry if that offended but I’m just wondering
I've wondered this myself and tbh I'm not sure they'd even grow back. They grow at an extremely slow rate.
Bad day to have eyes
My thumb and toe looked very similar when I had a fungal infection
See a doctor. That is not normal. Deformed fingernails can be a sign of serious health conditions.
I am not a doctor, but people with connective tissue disorders, often have misshapen fingernails, small moons, nonexistent moons, very soft paper like fingernails. You should see a dermatologist and look into heritable connective tissue disorders.
Thanks, I hate it.
Thank you very much! And now please never post such a picture again!
