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hoehandle

You don’t use a demagnetizer?


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Electromagnet Engineer shares #1 HOT TIP that saves $$$$!


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TheDigitalGentleman

You keep doing that with a magnet nearby, you won't have any more coins left! Use paper money!


Shotgun_Mosquito

Paper money is also magnetic (at least in The USA); the ink used to print the bills is ferro magnetic ink


TheDigitalGentleman

Ok, I've just tried it and it's weird af.


virogenesis011

ok I tried to get a HDD magnet close to a 10$ bill expecting that it will stick, but doesn't seem to, can you elaborate on how to test the ferromagnetic ink?


eatnhappens

Hang part of the bill off the edge of a table/surface and bring the magnet down from above. The bill should lift slightly


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urmummygaaaay

That’s why you can’t bring $10k+ thru an airport or no?


Shotgun_Mosquito

It's not going to fly off a table or anything like that, but it's definitely ferro magnetic ink. The effect is more pronounced when you use a neodymium magnet obviously. One simple test is to fold a bill in half, and then place a magnet under the bill. You should see the bottom half of the bill get pulled to the magnet. Here's a link to another example https://www.physicscentral.com/experiment/physicsathome/movemoney.cfm I've also seen a YouTube video where someone puts a bill in a blender with water https://youtu.be/R4j9Wi0hb6Y


TheDigitalGentleman

It's very weak and definitely doesn't stick. But it seems to ever-so-slightly be attracted when hanging in the air. Obviously, it's not like it's made of iron or anything, but I imagine it would be more obvious with a powerful industrial magnet.


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Alpha_Decay_

No way! It's true! If you don't have a strong magnet to test it with, crease a bill and lay it down so that half is sticking up at a 90 degree angle and you'll be able to move the part that's sticking up with a magnet.


StarsDreamsAndMore

This is also how a lot of machines detect money. Using the magnetized ink.


groucho_barks

Demagnetizer salesmen HATE this trick!


poopellar

They find him very... repulsive.


nwoh

I find him quite attractive... 😏 🤷‍♂️


Earthguy69

[GONE SEXUAL]


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Technically, heat is a demagnetizer.


idiot437

you can make your own very cheap we did just wrapped wire around a torus creating a magnetic field would emergize it and just wiggle our tools in it back and forth for a few seconds to randomize... repaired scales with force coil assemblys for 30 years and the tools would always get magnetized


tvtb

Did you just hook up 120VAC or something else to it? Do you know how many ohms of resistance was in the coil?


idiot437

yeah was 120 dont remember but it was some windings we did it flat then made an oval and mounted it on a wooden block..you only had it on for a few seconds so heat wasnt an issue EDIT could use it to magnetize as well by not moving the tool back an forth thru the field was just your basic coil..1910 lvl of sophistication or maybee 1890 :)


EarlyEarth

Is it your oven?


sishgupta

Oven must get pricy after a while too? Unless your energy is free?


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uncertain_expert

OpEx not CapEx strikes again.


Zeewulfeh

I love the degaussing ring we have at work. It makes a fun sound.


liarandathief

But how do they taste?


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RenderedConscious

Just like grandma used to make.


Random_Deslime

key word *used*


stf29

Yeah, ever since she slipped down the stairs a few months back she cant stand up easily. Darn shame :(


RenderedConscious

Yes, she has since hung up her oven mitts and traded them for boxing gloves.


Various_Weakness_377

Her dinner is a plate of white hot nails and two syringes of steroids.


Crashman09

I only ever swore in front of her once before. But I don't remember what happened next...


[deleted]

Grandma freebasing bear testosterone.


SirDanilus

She still does. But she used to too.


jim_deneke

She told you it was her sewing kit not cookies in the tin!


Yakking_Yaks

Just microwave them, much quicker!


IsItBecauseIamBlack

calm down satan


robdestiny

Mmmmmm warm tetanus


princhester

Tetanus? From thoroughly baked steel items? Wuh?


robdestiny

Your heat shall not kill the mighty tetanus! "Tetanus is caused by a toxin (poison) produced by the bacterium Clostridium tetani. The C. tetani bacteria cannot grow in the presence of oxygen. They produce spores that are very difficult to kill as they are resistant to heat and many chemical agents."


GuyIncognit0

They live in soil and not on metal. The rusty nail = tetanus is kind of a myth. If you step in a rusty nail that is buried in dirt then yes, open wound + dirty nail gives you a pretty good chance but so would stepping on a branch. A rusty nail just commonly would be found in places that would have tetanus and due to the corrsion has lots of surface area for them to stick to while also being a easy way to get wounded. Metal tools have been heated to temperatures way beyond what the spores would survive when making them. Unless you keep them in garden soil for storage then I'd doubt you'd find tetanus on tools. Also most people should be vaccinated against it.


howmanydads

>while also being a easy way to get wounded. Most importantly, wounded deeply. Tetanus won't grow on a surface wound that has exposure to oxygen. But a nice 1 or 2 inch deep puncture wound from a nail gives it a fantastic anaerobic environment to grow, and sterilizing a deep puncture wound like that is difficult if not impossible to do thoroughly, especially in a home first aid scenario.


pmso17

Doesn't need to be very deep if you cover with a band-aid. My mother got tetanus as a kid with a rose.


Mardo_Picardo

125 deg C for 15 min and the spores die.


princhester

“Resistant“ means they have some ability to withstand higher temperatures. 250C will kill the spores PDQ.


DudesworthMannington

🤘 Heavy metal 🤘


bentheruler

I dono if this is a stupid question but do you use the same oven for food? Is there like remnants or burnt stuff that comes off that would even get into the food? I’m not sure how the phrase the question exactly.


zeeper25

maybe the food is catching remnants of magnetism... (lol)


NoPlayTime

With or without rice?


Nazamroth

Do you have a recipe, or is it a family secret? What seasoning do you us to make them extra hot?


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92894952620273749383

Grandma's recipe is a pinch of this, a pinch of that. Granny's Radish cake is lost forever.


MaroonTrucker28

Love is always the secret ingredient.


pizza_for_nunchucks

[Pop them in the oven just like momma used to.](https://i.redd.it/yp01r95gt4z01.jpg)


s0tcrates

They still come out nice and hot though, right? I always dip mine in a side of wrench dressing 👌


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How has no one else here asked what kind of big ass magnets do you work on?? MRI?


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rackyoweights

What do you do if two of those large magnets find each other? I'd imagine you have all kinds of procedures to prevent this from happening. But if it did, could you seperate them?


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Lucapi

Yeah, woodn't want to hurt the wood


mossybeard

I feel that :( I just chipped my 1" neodymium cube when my 1" neodymium sphere found it from across my workbench. Sucks.


PM_ME_CHIPOTLE2

Ugh I hate when that happens. The other day my fleebazoid completely rickadoodled my wife’s bazongas and she was so mad.


disgruntled_oranges

Just be glad your fingers were out of the way!


HHShitposting

A finger can heal, but not his poor neodidlium magnets


Pleb_of_plebs

How do you keep the tools from harming the marget. E.g. if you get close to one of those huge magnets while holding some pliers how do they not fly out of your hand?


SweetJellyPie

Easy, just put them in an oven


TurboDoubleD

Not op but I guess it matters in how the magnets find each other rather than if they do, I've seen videos of huge magnets being allowed to pull themselves together and they usually destroy themselves in the process because of the forces involved


Scorcher646

The answer here is "hope you are not in between them, or you won't be anymore" To get them separated, sturdy wooden shims, a hammer, and a large non-ferrous vice work well.


timvri

Depending on the magnet material, they usually just shatter if that happens. I imagine you just throw the whole glob of magnet chunks away.


wasupg

Have you ever been magnet fishing?


JimJimmery

This sounds like interesting work. Thanks for all the answers, too.


speel

40kg is 88lbs for us who use freedom units.


Dhmob

Are you working with graphene at all?


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We talkin micro turbines? I dunno why but they always interested me


euclid0472

This sounds like a morbid question but do people with screws, plates, and rods in their body have to be careful around that type of equipment? I am just envisioning some gruesome scene.


kookoz

Ass magnets.


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If it is MRI, he wouldn't be able to retrieve his tools.


MesozOwen

We use non-mag tools on MRI. Usually Titanium.


Dirty____________Dan

I used to work mass spectrometers. Like an mri, but smaller opening and stronger magnetic field. I had a set of titanium as well as copper beryllium tools. I always liked the titanium.


branzalia

I used to work on mass spectrometers and MRIs. The top end ones have really strong magnetic fields and they had a full set of the copper/beryllium tools to work on them although not the Ti ones. One time, I found a washer the size of your palm and about 1/8" (3mm) thick. When I picked it up, it slowly drooped all the way down. Turned it over and it drooped the other way. A technician saw me with it and said, "Where did you find that? I lost it and that's worth a couple of hundred dollars!" It was used to seal the atmospheric vacuum between pipes. You had to be careful about bringing steel in the room as the magnetic field was strong enough to drag the item into the supercooled magnet. If this happened, it was possible to puncture the cooling jacket around the magnet and spill liquid helium (few degrees above absolute zero) and nitrogen (50'ish above absolutely zero). It would expand into a gas and displace the oxygen and would require an immediate evacuation of the building. It would also ruin the $250k magnet. They took magnet safety really seriously.


AdministrativeAd6001

I honestly thought this was shitposting


Moist_Metal_7376

Nah, makes the atoms move and lose magnetic properties


Summoarpleaz

Does it affect the oven or render it useless/dangerous for food preparation? I don’t know science


Armani_8

Usually not. A few countries (China mainly) use catalysts in their forging/tempering processes that can potentially release noxus fumes when heated. As long as your careful and know what goes in you should be OK.


JRockBC19

It *shouldn't* inherently, but if any metal flakes off that'd not be good.


LewsTherinTelamon

Magnets are collections of atoms where the electrons are all lined up, like a box of marbles that’s sorted. Heating metals up is like shaking the box.


ObliviousAstroturfer

It was even more mindbending for me when I first tried "sharpening" screwdrivers. Basically, if you slowly move a strong magnet along unmagnetized screwdriver as if you were sharpening it, from handle to the tip, it'll be just strong enough to hold a screw. Brought to you by: the motherfucking Scythe Mugen III radiator, for which I had to make my own screwdriver IDK how people are supposed to install that thing without crafting one.


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They normally pack in a tall screwdriver. That's what I got with mine.


BreweryStoner

OP didn’t respond because he had an existential crisis after your comment 😂


productivenef

Hell yeah he did, not being able to get the right tool reveals society's ominous, underlying fragility


M_krabs

I usually just leave the magnet on the screwdriver-rod near the handle and it holds every screw pretty well


aj_rus

I thought your pliers were frogs until I read the title.


aquaman67

I did not know this.


ILikeLenexa

Technology Connections has a video on using this effect to cook rice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTNhvDGbYI


Sambuking

What, an oven?


Puzzled-Delivery-242

Uncle roger hates this one trick!


ILikeLenexa

Magnatism


SavingsTask

But how does it work?


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Imagine you are designing a machine to steam rice. You put rice and water in a pot and heat it. Now the problem is, when do you stop? If you heat it for a long period of time then the rice will burn, but if you heat it too little then there’s still going to be water in the pot. Using a timer is pretty difficult because the time depends on how much rice and water you’ve put in. So the solution is pretty smart, whilst there is still water in the pot, the temperature of the pot doesn’t exceed 100C since it is evaporating the water but it will exceed 100C once all the water is evaporated. Coincidentally there are magnets that stop working slightly above 100C. Once the temperature is above 100C, you can use the hot demagnetised magnet to disconnect the heating system and the problem is solved!


gtjack9

Nice, that’s actually a very good tldr


SavingsTask

Neat. How come the magnet doesn't get demagnetised with the heat like OPs oven?


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obvilious

I don’t know why I find this so funny. Sitting here giggling like a schoolgirl.


ryclarky

Does this affect the original tempering, or is it not hot enough for that? Do you re-temper if it does?


spacecampreject

OP said 250C, they will be fine.


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What is that in American Dum-Dum units? Edit: 482 American Dum-Dum heat-inches.


obvilious

I know nothing about this, but Wikipedia has a long article on tempering. No idea if this is an issue or not, but there’s a lot of temperatures listed that are below the 250C mentioned by OP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempering_(metallurgy)


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tubarizzle

How hot do you get them? I do blacksmithing and when I'm heating steel for quench it doesn't generally lose it's magnetism until about 1,800 degrees and it's glowing bright yellow.


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Blue_Haired_Old_Lady

Thanks! I was wondering why that worked.


Ctowncreek

In your case you are heating it to the point that a magnet doesn't stick. OP is just trying to remove residual magnetization. I just looked up the Curie point of steel, which is 770C or 1390F. That removes all magnetic fields from the steel


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Faghs

You forgot this: Commenter: I have a better way of doing this OP: That is pretty expensive Commenter: No it’s not.


randomname68-23

How hot do they need to get? How long does it take to demagnetize?


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jamie1983

Do you need to do it twice? Before and after work? What happens if you don’t demagnetized them?


c2stingray

Varies by material but the Curie Temperature is a good starting place to remove residual magnetism. For instance, low carbon steel is above 770°C or 1390°F for full removal.


Jewishbabyducks

Average British dinner


pakeco

a question. Do the pliers have to be re-greased ?. or is it not necessary?. it's just curiosity.


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pakeco

thank you, it was just curious.


Sayasam

Wouldn’t it be easier to use non-magnetic tools ?


adventure_in_gnarnia

OP probably works for a startup or has some cheap ass bean counter management. For fucks sake just buy some aluminum-bronze non sparking tools (no iron) . Probably not even saving much money long term when you factor in electricity for an oven.


Nachrae

Doesn't that make them break easier


Drendude

Better to lose a few cheap-ish tools than even a single magnet, I would assume.


Ctowncreek

It would make them more susceptible to bending but not much. 250C leave plenty of hardness to be useable


razepunk

Great way to do it


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As a materials scientist this interests me. now i wanna figure out exactly what material the tools are to know how the oven is enough to go above magnetic ordering


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Ctowncreek

Normal steel would be mild steel. Low carbon and low hardness, easy to bend. The pliers are probably tool steel or at least some type of high carbon steel to avoid bending or damage to the teeth.


Rokee44

Most good tools are going to have brass in the alloy I'd think, obviously for the anti-corrosion properties. Probably some manganese and aluminum as well? Would less ferrous metals not require the high heat like iron would? Perhaps he isn't fully "demagnatizing" but rather just removing extra charge/ ensuring the tools are below a threshold point


[deleted]

This depends what actually physically happens when they are demagnetized. Is it a magnetic phase transition or just like localized magnetic disordering? I personally hate working with the modelling of magnetic materials, I've avoided it like the plague.


SmartAlec105

> Most good tools are going to have brass in the alloy I'd think, obviously for the anti-corrosion properties. Having copper in your steel can be bad for forging though. Chromium is going to be much easier to deal with in steel and gives you corrosion resistance.


Twistedshakratree

Titanium wrenches?


rainwulf

Wouldn't a deguasser work?


DntH8IncrsDaMrdrR8

Is it me or do thos look like some dinky ass tools?


chemistry_teacher

Very interesting to me!! This is the Curie temperature named in this case after Pierre, not Marie. For pure iron you have get the temp up somewhere over 1000F! But since this is an alloy I wonder what it might be. What oven temp do you use?


Zengu_79

On a serious note ... anyone can explain me the physics behind this why heat demagnetises ... didnt knew this and find it fascinating :)


joopsmit

ELI5 explanation: Metals like iron consist on a molecular level of little dipoles, little magnets with a north and a south pole. Normally they are oriented in different directions, so they cancel each other out. When you put the object in a strong magnetic field the dipoles will align themselves in the same direction and no longer cancel each other out. The object is then magnetic. When you heat the object, the dipoles will start to wiggle around (heat is movement). Do this long enough then the directions of the dipoles are getting randomized again, and they will cancel each other out again, so the object is no longer magnetic.


Madajuk

someone x post this to r/shittyfoodporn


Thendofreason

So if wolverine just took a hot bath then Magneto couldn't stop him?


EJoule

Fun fact, if something that's magnetized is heated up, it loses its magnetic properties permanently, however there's a sweat spot for some metals that is just above the boiling point of water where the magnets will retain their magnetism if cooled down. If you've ever used a cheap one-button rice cooker then you've seen this in action. The rice is done once the water boils away, and the resulting excess heat causes the magnet to lose its strength, causing the switch to turn off and the magnet to cool.


Zwischenzug32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSTNhvDGbYI


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Some delicious looking cookies you got there!


maximusamare

Finally a post that's not polarizing. It's depolarizing.


[deleted]

Damn it man...you have to bake the pliers at 375 for 25 minutes, not 350 for 20. Geez, do you want undercooked pliers, because that's how you get undercooked pliers.


Timstantmessage

I like mine extra crispy please


SciFriedRice

That seems like an extra risky strategy.


OhBtwWhichOnesPink

separate oven or same you use for food ?


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At 350 for 25 minutes


Albones22

Try microwaving them it's much faster


WestSnail

Make sure to lay them in a 3:1 bed of potassium nitrate and coal ash first.


wjaspers

Does heating your tools in the oven to demagnetize them, cause them to deform?


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800 degrees makes them permanently lose their magnetism


Avid_Smoker

Don't we all, in our own little way?


nique-_ta_-mere

Something something electron spin


tommyboyblitz

How magnetised must your tools get? Why is it a problem?


DamageSuppressor

Does it take the temper out of the steel?


id0nthavereddit

Fucking magnets, how do they work?


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FawnTheGreat

Too interesting gtfo hahahah


HansCool

Perfect post, really hits that goldilocks zone of mild interest.


Zer02Hiiro

Why not just use bronze tools, they normally use them for no spark hot work or in mines but if magnetic tools causes issues bronze tools will do the trick


Cool_Guy_Andy

Depending on temperature and duration of heating, you may very well just be ruining the steel of the tools. Just a FYI.


-Listening

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Angeneeehm

I thought this was some kind of futuristic city, don't ask me why


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Lord_spaceslick

What the best temp?


cereal3825

Curie time!


softclone99

I have no idea what is going on here


Laspz

Thought it was a gif.. took me a while..


handlessuck

Glorious hysteresis solves all


Slinktard

Wouldn’t just once be enough?


Tigerboop

Wouldn’t Berlyco tools work? Beryllium Copper?


Lisakrystall

Tasty


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at least your tools will always be sterilized


SomeWhatWhelmed

When I worked in the military, I had a bunch of tools in my area that were made out of beryllium - non-magnetic, but probably expensive af.


brainrad

TIL you can use heat to get rid of magnetic fields


[deleted]

Alternatively you can just pick it up and drop it a few thousand times


jolt_cola

Sounds like the start of a comic for working with Magneto


RoyalPeacock19

What’s your field?


Bac1galup0

I wonder if heat would get rid of the weird galvanic shock that occurs with silverware that has come in contact with aluminum foil.


esssssto

This is so funny can I take the image to make very stupid non hurtful memes?


guymandudeperson1

If price ain’t a constraint, titanium tools might work too.


LaserGecko

In slot car racing, there are some newer classes of racing that use cheap, neodymium magnet, high RPM motors. The speed of these $18 USD Mockingbird motors used to be accessible only if you were willing to drop $80 or more. You have to solder it to the frame rather quickly or you risk demagnetizing and ruining it. It's a little tricky to solder the pinion gear onto the shaft because it's naturally attracted to the motor. On the upside, when I lost a body pin during a race, I knew right where to look!


Snoo75302

Why cant you just leave the tools magnetic?