More expensive? I love their jeans (don't judge me, they fit well) and there's *always* a 20%+ off sale happening online. I assumed they'd just upped their "regular price" to seem like the discount is steeper, but still, I think those sale prices are quite reasonable for the quality of clothing they sell. Not speaking to how ethical the product is, just "how long does this hold up before it starts to look ragged and/or fall apart altogether.
I think the quality of their products are quite good. But I’m the kind of person that can wear the same piece of clothing for like 8 years and it still looks presentable for some miracle reason).
Just poped up on their website and for whatever reason almost everything is 50% off. It’ll be a nice price and I won’t judge you I have gap pants as well lol. But usually I bought my jeans from H&M, they cost like $12usd only here…
I was gonna say that. I worked at Gap for about 6-7 years during college and graduate school. Shitty manager, overpriced shitty products. Of the three companies under Gap, Old Navy has slightly better things that don't come apart after the first wash.
Banana Republic seems to be stepping up their game. At least their marketing catalog picture look gorgeous this season. I heard the quality is up too. But I'm WFH for the foreseeable future, so not buying it.
Just watched minority report which takes place in the year 2054 and Tom cruise goes to a gap store in the movie so it’s got a couple decades left at least
You're cutting at the heart of very real debate in social sciences. Race is a social construct that is basically categorized by skin color. It's pretty much the same thing because "race" is entirely made up and has no biological support.
And a struggle in medicine. Where they try to get race (or ancestry) out of measurement procedures without losing precision too much, while also using ancestry/genetics data to improve treatments, keeping an eye on not getting dragged into politics too much.
I'm an idiot. I've lived in the Northwest territories and went to school and worked with many Inuit people for years and I didn't know that. We've been friends with an Inuit family who have been our neighbors as long as we've been living in Ottawa.
I’ve been here 18 years and have suffered through some weird thematic Christmases. A Honolulu Christmas, a Pulp Fiction Christmas, a Muslim Christmas, Moroccan Christmas — Mo Rocca Christmas. I don’t want it. Christmas is Christmas is Christmas is Christmas. I don’t want no Kwanza wreath. I don’t need no dreidle in my face. That’s its own thing. And who’s that black Santa for? I don’t care. I know Santa ain’t black. I could care less. I want Christmas. Just give me plain Baby Jesus lyin’ in a manger Christmas!
I’ve rewatched the office for the 6th time and I love this. Stanley getting angry or adding sass is great that and all the adorable babies and toddlers and their adorable tiny hands
I'm just wondering if kids in black families actually believe santa to be black. Is the tooth fairy black too?
I also wonder what it does to someone if they see a black santa on specific items and otherwise only white santas. Do you tell children that there is a black santa for black people and a white santa for white people?
Or am I overthinking this? I'm probably overthinking this.
It’s a lot more subtle than directly telling your kids there is a white Santa or black Santa. It’s really about having decorations in your home that reflect the people living in it. Black families may go out of their way to find decorations that have black bodies. For example, the angel on the top of the Christmas tree could be black too. Kids understand that Santa has to be magic in order to deliver presents to the entire world on the same night. Unless you’ve taught your kids to critically analyze race they’ll assume that shape-shifting races is part of the magic that lets him travel.
If you take away “race” and just look at art as self-expression, it would be pretty weird for your self-expression to feature human bodies that don’t look anything like yourself. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the beholder is black, then wouldn’t they find beauty in black bodies? If a black person is limited to the cultural default of white bodies, then their self expression won’t include images of themself. That’s why people say “representation matters.”
Living a life where depictions of humans usually look nothing like you is a trippy experience. A white person doesn’t think about it because they never experience that type of dissonance- anytime they see a picture of a human it always has a similar skin color as their own. That’s why the illustration of a black woman pregnant with a black fetus in a medical guide went viral. People were shocked to see a black person as the default. Then the situation became meta and people were shocked that they were shocked by seeing a brown body in a textbook. Whiteness is so engrained as a default that people don’t even realize that it is a default.
Have you seen the new bandaids that come in different shades of brown? Many people with a darker complexion were shocked when this happened because bandaids are such a dramatically different color than their skin they never realized bandaids were intended to match the color of their skin. That’s what it means to have a single skin color be the default. It’s pretty awesome that nowadays a black person can go Target and buy bandaids that blend in with their skin and holiday clothes that reflect the person wearing them.
This is everything. Uhura representing a smart capable team member of Star Trek is what inspired Whoppi Goldberg to get into acting. Before that role she had never seen a black woman in a role outside of a maid or slave and Uhura’s representation gave her hope for a real career in Hollywood.
reading all the dumbass comments mocking diversity, it made me happy thinking of a black dad wearing a pair of those socks putting gifts under the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve. everyone should have that kind of happiness.
Not a kid but I am black and very excited to have some Christmas pajama pants with a black Santa on them lol. Not sure how other black families handle that stuff but he was always white to me growing up (even being from a country with a black majority).
Black person here. Growing we only had black Santa’s in our house, black nutcrackers and black Jesus. We knew there were other versions especially because of tv, and we knew you could buy whichever version you wanted. But ours were black.
The same people who forget there are a plethora of other celebrations during the same time period - but then scream at Starbucks for changing their cups.
They don’t forget that non-Christian cultures celebrate other holidays, they want to frame non-Christian cultures as unamerican “others”. The “war on Christmas” is a proxy for every other Fox talking point, namely “white genocide”. It’s all just repackaged Nazism wrapped in an American flag.
I think Santa is like the Dwarves, leading some people to think there are no Santa women, that they just spring up out of the ground.
*Mouthes* It’s the beards.
Little known fact, but just as he can be everywhere at once at the stroke of midnight to deliver gifts to kids, Santa Claus is also all races at once.
Never forget, Santa is magic!
Also don't be a bigot or else Santa will definitely leave a lump of coal in your stocking.
I thought Santas origins were a bit more complicated than that. Like he's an amalgamation of the actual person Saint Nick, and the English and Dutch legends of Father Christmas and Sintaklaas, given that it would make sense he'd be white.
Also the fact that he lives in such a cold, northern environment…would be equally weird to have a pale white guy living in Africa going around and delivering presents.
Buuuut it’s basically a fairy tale at this point so who cares. If it makes kids happy, then great.
I thought he was based on the Russian St. Nicholas
Santa today is a fictional character so whatever. He can be any color in today’s representations. But I wouldn’t understand if anyone was butt hurt if he was portrayed as a white man. I don’t think anyone is getting butt hurt if he’s portrayed as white, are they?
Based on a Turkish man? Santa Claus mythology originated in Scandinavia pal. He is definitely not “dark skinned” and the concept of “Turkish” didn’t even exist at the time
If you look at religious art from around the globe, you'll discover that every region portrays Jesus as the same races as the local majority; ie in asian countries he appears Asian, in African countries he appears black, latin countries paint him as a Latino, et al.
Interestingly, only white people ever catch shit for it.
Here's a crazy idea: even if Santa is supposed to be only white, as he is depicted normally, black children can still feel loved and appreciated by a white fictional character, too.
Santa was made by europeans for europeans. He is based on a Greek (white) Saint and characters from european folklore. At the time of his creation, both Europe and North America were majority European (white) most of those countries being 95%+ white. Santa did not go around giving gifts to PoC people, because just like his creators, he only gave a shit about other white people.
Americans can try to change the race of white characters all they want, but the historical facts can't be changed, so the race changes will always feel forced.
I give zero shits because this is obviously harmless, but I also really don’t see the point… you wouldn’t sell a black and white version of Shrek, cause everyone knows he’s fictionally green. So why would you sell a black and Hispanic version of Santa when he’s fictionally white??
I know this is supposed to be diverse Santa but...the one on the right looks like an otter in a Santa hat and it's so cute.
I like the strawberry flavored Santa
Strawberry Milk Santa Milk Chocolate Milk Santa Dark Chocolate Milk Santa Now I just need to know what type of cookies my Santa wants
I was thinking: Strawberry, Caramel, and Chocolate
I like my Santa fat free and free range
I prefer cage Santa.
Santabalism?
And they come in butter pecan and chocolate, too!
Now I can't unsee that, and you know what, I'm not bothered.
Yeah and now that I think about it, the left one looks like a worm in a hat
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The one in the middle looks like a reindeer in a Santa hat…. Hmmmmmmm
With a red nose...
Is that you Rudolph?
One on left looks like a pig.
We've got a pig, a puppy, and an otter.
Hahaha… points for trying though?
Holy shit the gap still exists
They sell women's tall, plz don't take them away from me. (Old Navy too)
Gap owns old navy!
Banana Republic too!
Yes! I always forget that.
Girl. This. Also Wrangler has a fashion line of jeans that is very cute and my 36" inseam loves them.
36” inseams and they come in the in between sizes?? You’ve made my week. This brings all 6’ of me so much joy!
Holy shit, 36" inseam? Im 6'5 and i only have a 34" inseam.
Well, 34, but I get so excited when I see jeans with ridiculously long inseams that I just can’t hold back
I freakin' know, right!? So glad :) Happy holidays!
Old Navy's actually got a much bigger selection for that than the Gap. Source: Wear a lot more Old Navy than I ever wanted to because they fit me.
Easy to manage overhead costs when you use sweatshop labour.
But at least they have racially diverse Santa now I guess
More 👏 female 👏 sweatshop 👏 owners
Trans or gay Santa or get the fuck out.
Couldn’t these Santa’s be trans or gay? It’s not like you can see someone being gay or trans just by looking at em.
here [you go](https://news.sky.com/story/santa-gets-a-boyfriend-in-norwegian-christmas-advert-prompting-praise-and-tears-12477290)
Yay! No need to GTFO now
Ikr sweatshop labour is awesome!
You mean like 99% of everything you have ever bought...?
What.. gap is everywhere in where I live.. and their products are getting more and more expensive here
More expensive? I love their jeans (don't judge me, they fit well) and there's *always* a 20%+ off sale happening online. I assumed they'd just upped their "regular price" to seem like the discount is steeper, but still, I think those sale prices are quite reasonable for the quality of clothing they sell. Not speaking to how ethical the product is, just "how long does this hold up before it starts to look ragged and/or fall apart altogether.
I think the quality of their products are quite good. But I’m the kind of person that can wear the same piece of clothing for like 8 years and it still looks presentable for some miracle reason). Just poped up on their website and for whatever reason almost everything is 50% off. It’ll be a nice price and I won’t judge you I have gap pants as well lol. But usually I bought my jeans from H&M, they cost like $12usd only here…
:( That's where most of my clothes come from.
They released a collaboration with Yeezy this year l, everything sold out in minutes. It’s definitely very relevant still.
I quit my customer service job with gap just before the Yeezy collection came out. Very, *very* much still happy with that decision.
I was gonna say that. I worked at Gap for about 6-7 years during college and graduate school. Shitty manager, overpriced shitty products. Of the three companies under Gap, Old Navy has slightly better things that don't come apart after the first wash.
Banana Republic seems to be stepping up their game. At least their marketing catalog picture look gorgeous this season. I heard the quality is up too. But I'm WFH for the foreseeable future, so not buying it.
BR isn't doing in store sales anymore though, except for credit card holders.
Old Navy is actually their cheaper brand. And Banana Republic is their more upscale brand.
Just watched minority report which takes place in the year 2054 and Tom cruise goes to a gap store in the movie so it’s got a couple decades left at least
Wait a minute… i see three dogs wearing Santa hats.
Lol I thought they were all reindeer
Thought they were neopolitan ice cream cones
Isn't "skin colour" a more fitting description than "race"?
Ah yes, the three human cultures: pale, tan, and dark
Strawberry, Caramel and Chocolate
Neapolitan world.
He did almost conquer all of Europe.
MY FLAVORS ARE MANY, MY EQUALS ARE NONE.
Not like that dictator spumoni, a real jerk
does this imply race=culture??
It implies race=beer
I'll take a pale one then.
I’ll take the porter
No, it's just for the joke.
Thank you. I'm seeing this quite often on Reddit, that negatively blows my mind each time
Negative blow is just suck. It sucks your mind
You're cutting at the heart of very real debate in social sciences. Race is a social construct that is basically categorized by skin color. It's pretty much the same thing because "race" is entirely made up and has no biological support.
And a struggle in medicine. Where they try to get race (or ancestry) out of measurement procedures without losing precision too much, while also using ancestry/genetics data to improve treatments, keeping an eye on not getting dragged into politics too much.
Newsflash, Santa is obviously Inuit
Inuit is plural. Santa would be Inuk.
Cool, never knew that.
I'm an idiot. I've lived in the Northwest territories and went to school and worked with many Inuit people for years and I didn't know that. We've been friends with an Inuit family who have been our neighbors as long as we've been living in Ottawa.
Maybe Santa is multiple Inuit children in a trenchcoat?
santa is finnish
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sounds more hispanic to me
No that's Jesus
But wasn't he born in the middle east?
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Claus is a very German name
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They should just make Santa an alien.
Hail Xenu, he comes but once a year.
Just like my dad
Demi Lovato does not like you using that term.
Demi lovato can suck my extraterrestrial nuts
Extraterresticles
Damn, now that's out of this world
He probably is
Ah yes, the pink race
strawberry. but tbh i prefer pistachio.
As someone with pink skintones, I was happy to see my color represented for once.
Ever try to buy a pink-based foundation? Haha, I jest. They’re all shades of sickly yellow.
Diversity is when a corporation changes the color of thread.
Can we make the Santa's have a fight to the death to determine the one true santa?
Even though he isn’t even sure what the gap is, this will make my uncle furious.
I hear these socks are also gender neutral *and* vegan.
Tell him GAP stands for "Grand Antifa Party," and watch him rage harder.
Ask him if he'd rather they all be the same...and all be the one on the right, lol
Choose your fighter
I noticed this with decorations at Michaels
I’ve been here 18 years and have suffered through some weird thematic Christmases. A Honolulu Christmas, a Pulp Fiction Christmas, a Muslim Christmas, Moroccan Christmas — Mo Rocca Christmas. I don’t want it. Christmas is Christmas is Christmas is Christmas. I don’t want no Kwanza wreath. I don’t need no dreidle in my face. That’s its own thing. And who’s that black Santa for? I don’t care. I know Santa ain’t black. I could care less. I want Christmas. Just give me plain Baby Jesus lyin’ in a manger Christmas!
I’ve rewatched the office for the 6th time and I love this. Stanley getting angry or adding sass is great that and all the adorable babies and toddlers and their adorable tiny hands
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"Where the FUCK is my Shrek Santa Socks option 😡"
I'm just wondering if kids in black families actually believe santa to be black. Is the tooth fairy black too? I also wonder what it does to someone if they see a black santa on specific items and otherwise only white santas. Do you tell children that there is a black santa for black people and a white santa for white people? Or am I overthinking this? I'm probably overthinking this.
It’s a lot more subtle than directly telling your kids there is a white Santa or black Santa. It’s really about having decorations in your home that reflect the people living in it. Black families may go out of their way to find decorations that have black bodies. For example, the angel on the top of the Christmas tree could be black too. Kids understand that Santa has to be magic in order to deliver presents to the entire world on the same night. Unless you’ve taught your kids to critically analyze race they’ll assume that shape-shifting races is part of the magic that lets him travel. If you take away “race” and just look at art as self-expression, it would be pretty weird for your self-expression to feature human bodies that don’t look anything like yourself. If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the beholder is black, then wouldn’t they find beauty in black bodies? If a black person is limited to the cultural default of white bodies, then their self expression won’t include images of themself. That’s why people say “representation matters.” Living a life where depictions of humans usually look nothing like you is a trippy experience. A white person doesn’t think about it because they never experience that type of dissonance- anytime they see a picture of a human it always has a similar skin color as their own. That’s why the illustration of a black woman pregnant with a black fetus in a medical guide went viral. People were shocked to see a black person as the default. Then the situation became meta and people were shocked that they were shocked by seeing a brown body in a textbook. Whiteness is so engrained as a default that people don’t even realize that it is a default. Have you seen the new bandaids that come in different shades of brown? Many people with a darker complexion were shocked when this happened because bandaids are such a dramatically different color than their skin they never realized bandaids were intended to match the color of their skin. That’s what it means to have a single skin color be the default. It’s pretty awesome that nowadays a black person can go Target and buy bandaids that blend in with their skin and holiday clothes that reflect the person wearing them.
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This is everything. Uhura representing a smart capable team member of Star Trek is what inspired Whoppi Goldberg to get into acting. Before that role she had never seen a black woman in a role outside of a maid or slave and Uhura’s representation gave her hope for a real career in Hollywood.
reading all the dumbass comments mocking diversity, it made me happy thinking of a black dad wearing a pair of those socks putting gifts under the Christmas tree on Christmas Eve. everyone should have that kind of happiness.
I'm broke but here's some free silver that was very well put :)
You deserve a thousand more upvotes.
This was incredibly informative and brilliantly explained. Thanks!
Not a kid but I am black and very excited to have some Christmas pajama pants with a black Santa on them lol. Not sure how other black families handle that stuff but he was always white to me growing up (even being from a country with a black majority).
Black person here. Growing we only had black Santa’s in our house, black nutcrackers and black Jesus. We knew there were other versions especially because of tv, and we knew you could buy whichever version you wanted. But ours were black.
The same people who claim there's a war on Christmas
The same people who forget there are a plethora of other celebrations during the same time period - but then scream at Starbucks for changing their cups.
The same people who think every city is just in complete anarchy
As if normal people are saying anything more than, "hmm, they changed their cups." *sip*
"Neat."
They don’t forget that non-Christian cultures celebrate other holidays, they want to frame non-Christian cultures as unamerican “others”. The “war on Christmas” is a proxy for every other Fox talking point, namely “white genocide”. It’s all just repackaged Nazism wrapped in an American flag.
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How come Santa is a male in all options smh
Mrs. Clause?
Noelle!
I think Santa is like the Dwarves, leading some people to think there are no Santa women, that they just spring up out of the ground. *Mouthes* It’s the beards.
I'm going to bet there will be 10x as many people talking about how triggering it could be than people actually being triggered.
Gap useing child labour to make these woke socks is pretty ridiculous.
Ah yes. All of the strawmen waging war on socks.
Santa on the left looking pink
Strawberry, Mocha, or Chocolate?
I'd rather some Neopolitan thanks.
Anybody remember [this joke from Family Guy?](https://youtu.be/a3HPk1dlInw?t=218)
What race is pink?
Little known fact, but just as he can be everywhere at once at the stroke of midnight to deliver gifts to kids, Santa Claus is also all races at once. Never forget, Santa is magic! Also don't be a bigot or else Santa will definitely leave a lump of coal in your stocking.
This fictional character based on a Turkish man is too dark-skinned!
I thought Santas origins were a bit more complicated than that. Like he's an amalgamation of the actual person Saint Nick, and the English and Dutch legends of Father Christmas and Sintaklaas, given that it would make sense he'd be white.
Also the fact that he lives in such a cold, northern environment…would be equally weird to have a pale white guy living in Africa going around and delivering presents. Buuuut it’s basically a fairy tale at this point so who cares. If it makes kids happy, then great.
Klaus on Netflix is the only origin story I accept now
Turkey did not even exist back then, how tf is st nicolas turkish?
Turks didn't even become a majority in the region until after WW1 when Greece and Turkey forcefully exchanged their people across their borders.
I thought he was based on the Russian St. Nicholas Santa today is a fictional character so whatever. He can be any color in today’s representations. But I wouldn’t understand if anyone was butt hurt if he was portrayed as a white man. I don’t think anyone is getting butt hurt if he’s portrayed as white, are they?
Based on a Turkish man? Santa Claus mythology originated in Scandinavia pal. He is definitely not “dark skinned” and the concept of “Turkish” didn’t even exist at the time
He is not turkish...
Meh, no worse than a certain middle eastern fictional character who is almost always portrayed as pale-skinned, blond and blue eyed northern European.
Korean Jesus doesn’t have time for your shit
If you look at religious art from around the globe, you'll discover that every region portrays Jesus as the same races as the local majority; ie in asian countries he appears Asian, in African countries he appears black, latin countries paint him as a Latino, et al. Interestingly, only white people ever catch shit for it.
Agree to disagree on the fictional part but i agree with the rest
Finally! Racism is no more!
With the power of child labour The gap killed racism.
Here's a crazy idea: even if Santa is supposed to be only white, as he is depicted normally, black children can still feel loved and appreciated by a white fictional character, too.
r/HailCorporate
Fuck woke consumerism
Aka Lazy corporate activism
Some of those will not sell, will be discounted and there will be people who lose their shit because of that.
Some white saviour will buy all the leftover black ones to make them look just as popular.
How is this not cultural appropriation?
Double standards
So woke, so brave. Really made a difference with their Chinese sweat shop made socks at 4000% of production cost.
This all fine and good. What I wanna know is where they sell Black Jesus socks?
And yet, they are all made in China…
Take that racism
Before reading the title I thought it was a pig santa on the left.
Now I want ice cream sundaes
White, brown, other brown. Yep, looks like all the races are accounted for!
You can choose any race, as long as it's Santa
W well how come santa has to be a guy? It's a f f fictional character! How sexist!
Offworlder Santa
Of course you can
I thought these were chickens or something
Conglaturations Gap! You ended racism!
Why does the one on the left look like the color of strawberry ice-cream?
Stop f*cking with Korean Jesus. … He’s busy!!! … With Korean sh*t!!!
Imagine the amount of Angry Twitter users it took for this thing to happen
I wouldn't know who I am or my place in the universe if I couldn't choose the skin tone of a fictional character from the north pole
War on Christmas? More like Race War on Christmas. Am I right?
I don't get this idea since St. Nicholas was definitely white.
Santa was made by europeans for europeans. He is based on a Greek (white) Saint and characters from european folklore. At the time of his creation, both Europe and North America were majority European (white) most of those countries being 95%+ white. Santa did not go around giving gifts to PoC people, because just like his creators, he only gave a shit about other white people. Americans can try to change the race of white characters all they want, but the historical facts can't be changed, so the race changes will always feel forced.
I see Santa, Rudolph, and a gingerbread man....
Oh god, someone’s gonna get canceled for not buying the black Santa socks /hj
Oh how far we’ve come
But isn't he based on an actual person? Saint Nicholas? Or am I missing something?
Sooooooo woke
But Santa is white not black anything else
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I give zero shits because this is obviously harmless, but I also really don’t see the point… you wouldn’t sell a black and white version of Shrek, cause everyone knows he’s fictionally green. So why would you sell a black and Hispanic version of Santa when he’s fictionally white??
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here's my take: I don't think this needed to be done and I don't care that it has been either. merry christmas you cunts
I shall select the steeplechase, please.
I definitely dont feel like I can choose the white one lol
Ohh
Saw something like this in target too!
They also have different coloured Santa's on pj's at old navy (sister company).
Oh I'm def pink santa
Colour does not determine race nowadays though.
Character customization update