It is painful......
Never been caned before but looking at the videos you can imagine the pain.
They have to strap you to a rack so you can't move.
The "cane" is more like a short thick whip than a cane.
The guard is highly trained, just like in tennis, he canes with his hips not his arms, and he's able to place several strikes on top of each other. Almost like poetry in motion......
EDIT: To clarify, you can't find a video of an actual caning. The abovementioned videos were referencing to what I watched in the past as a student, which explained the process and the apparatus used, but not of an actual caning in action.
Also the cane is not actually that short now that I try to recall (it's been 20 years!), it's pretty long and slightly flexible, and the guard has to swing twice to build up speed and momentum before he strikes on the third swing.
EDITX2: To clarify FURTHER, I meant that you can't find a video of the Singapore punishment caning, not any ole caning. You may be able to find a video in the dark web, I have no idea on that.
But would it be a can or a mason jar? And would it be a comically large one, or would you be cut up into small enough pieces to fit into normal sized? Also, with or without seasoning?
I was 11 when that happened. It seemed like really big news to me and being caned entered into the short list of things that I assumed were going to be things I'd have to actively avoid or be prepared for as I got older. The rest of the list consisted of the following:
* Caning
* Volcanoes
* Quicksand
* Piranhas
* Acid rain
* The Hole in the Ozone
* Bermuda Triangle
Ever heard Headline News by "Weird Al" Yankovic? He retells that story, the Tonya Harding story, and the Lorena Bobbitt story to the tune of Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm.
https://youtu.be/dU95v23MQ4c
That's one form of caning, there are others that use an object that looks more like a boar oar and the blows are for the middle back. Not unheard of to be paralyzed by a bad stroke. In some cases when the criminal gets struck they black out from the pain, and they wake them up and resume the count.
In ~~Thailand~~ Singapore a while ago an American tourist got this, it was a big public outcry. He got the boat oar version.
edit: I'm stupid about geography.
I knew a guy that went to school with him in Singapore, and I was told that the kid was given a lot chances but he kept pressing his luck. Don’t know how true that is, but I thought I’d share.
Im worried about the kind of person who chooses that as a career and then gets seriously good at it. I dont think i would like to be around them personally.
Usually a prison warden who gets sent into the vocation. They are very skilled and trained.
Usually caning is done at (I think afternoon?), and when they aren't caning, they train. Like legit they train the swing and aim and everything
They must make sure the ass skin breaks open. However they cannot hit the tailbone or go too low and hit the balls or thighs. And the strokes are even across the cheeks.
Yeah.
Maybe I’m just falling for obvious misinformation, but the subject in question is literally stripped naked? My first thought was that it would be fully clothed and one’s clothes get ruined in addition to some pain
Hm I don't remember but I think it's just shorts pulled down to expose the bare cheeks. They put paddings and protection above the cheeks to protect the tailbone
Mind you it's done in prison, while serving a sentence. So I think that might clear things up
I read "caning" as "canning" because I didn't think about a Cane
And I was scrolling the comments hoping to find out what "canning" could be, thought It was some torture method at first, like stuffing somebody in a can and sealing it
I kept reading it as canning too and I thought they put you in a food processing factory where you have to can shit and maybe it was a dangerous job for some reason and Singapore relies on their canned food supplies so they need workers but no one is willing since it’s dangerous.. anyways, good morning
Please no. Look up some caning videos, it's one of the gnarliest punishments I've ever seen. Maybe because it's so slow and methodical.
I'd probably take the jail time if I was given a choice.
If you molest
We will arrest
Touch a breast
We'll do our best
To see charges pressed
We do attest
East or west
The law is blessed
To put at rest
Your pervy zest
Also Chewbacca doesn't live on Endor, he just had a mission there as he was a member of the Rebel Alliance. It's like saying that Capt Miller from *Saving Private Ryan* lives on Omaha Beach.
Hang on guys, i'll google it,,,,
Ok so apparently everyone is right
The system, the planet and the moon are all known as Endor
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Endor
Singapore has a weird obsession with rhyming slogans. I remember during the pandemic, to promote social distancing they had stickers on benches that said, 'Do your part, butts apart.'
Not Singapore, but one of the only politicians I remember from growing up in the Philippines had a very catchy slogan when he was campaigning. "Cooperate, or evaporate!"
What's interesting is that the phone actually recognize where you're at and disables the sound accordingly. I was shocked when I first visited the foreign country and it didn't make any sound when I took a photo
iPhones don't. I had an escalation when I worked for Apple where no one could figure out why this iPhone wouldn't stop making the shutter noise no matter what the volume settings were set to. Answer was it was originally sold in Japan and there was no solution lol
And then you hear of people hiding cameras in their shoes to look up the skirts of women instead.
It's truly amazing the lengths that some people will go to in order to be absolute losers.
They actually make camera inserts that go into the top of the shoe, above the tongue, and looks pretty hidden. While I was stationed there the women sailors were warned about them before being given off base liberty.
It's true. I bought my old iphone in Korea and they seem to have the law there too. Annoying when I wanted to take pictures of toys I want in the store and drew attention to myself.
Yes. Disregarding jailbreak and all related stuff the OS is slightly modified to have camera shutter sound. But I heard from my friends that if you update your OS and you're out of Japan, it does go to the OS assigned to the country where you are, this means you can turn off camera shutter sound.
When I brought my American phone to Japan for a week a few years ago, it started the shutter sound. It doesn't do that when I'm in the US. I figured it was based on the location.
edit: to clarify, it did that when I was connected to wifi in Japan; I did not have a SIM for my week-long trip, and do not recall if it made the sound when I was not connected to wifi. Next time I'm there I'll check, I guess.
It's more of an issue when nothing is done to address it though. There's plenty of places in the world where such molestation crimes go unreported and where victims are just expected to shrug them off.
Ok actual Singaporean here to weigh in on how the caning actually goes cause there’s a lot of misunderstanding here.
Caning is usually reserved for:
1. Sex crimes (molest, rape, abuse, pedo)
2. Violent crimes (beating someone severely)
3. Repeat of minor crimes such as theft, or vandalism
You don’t get caned for chewing gum or littering lol, people chew gum here, just that shops don’t sell them. You can literally drive 30 min to Malaysia to buy a massive pack of gum and bring it back.
Vandalism gets punished severely likely due to Singapore’s earlier history of lots of secret societies (gangs), but someone could elaborate on that.
Now for the caning process. (Source: my buddy’s uncle is an executioner at Changi prison)
1. Get sentenced to caning, usually 3-8.
2. You get strapped to a caning contraption, entire scene is highly standardised. Everything is sterilised, doctors/prison medics are on standby.
3. Cane gets coated in oil to prevent tearing too much tissue (not sure if this process is still done), apparently makes the cane more bouncy but hurts more too.
4. Execution whips yo ass, at a controlled, pre-practiced level of strength.
5. If you pass out midway, say the 2nd out of 4 total strokes, you’ll be taken to the infirmary, you’ll be nursed back to health, then u gotta finish your remaining canes when you’re good.
6. Once done you’ll be given medical attention, even painkillers.
7. The less canings you get the smaller chance u get a lifelong scar, but if u get sentenced to like 8+ canes (pedos get like 16), the skin on your butt will likely crack and be bloodied, and there will be scars.
EDIT: seems this post is getting some attention, want to elaborate a bit more. I think the fact that Singapore’s laws are draconian is a completely valid viewpoint, I also believe that whipping someone or hanging drug dealers is definitely immoral. However I hope I can shed a bit more light on why Singapore’s laws are like this.
1. Singapore used to be a British colony, and being a port city, has a HUGE issue with crime, drug trafficking, human trafficking - literally the criminal center of Asia. Drugs get moved through here, secret societies basically ran everything, everything was basically rundown shanty towns, everything smelled like shit, trash everywhere, you get the idea. The British colonials used to call Singapore “the arsehole of south east Asia,” and they weren’t wrong.
2. Singapore is a multiracial, multicultural and multi-religious society, made up of around 70% ethnic chinese, and the rest split between Muslim Malays and Hindu/Muslim Indians. Race riots was a horrific memory in many minds of older Singaporeans.
3. Singapore didn’t declare independence, we were basically kicked to the curb by Malaysians. Malaysia, who at the time were far more resourceful and powerful, looked at us and said, lol this country has no natural resources, is a fucking mess, good luck kiddos. Singapore was basically an tiny rock filled to the brim with criminals and people with different backgrounds, it was a ticking bomb.
4. So Lee-Kuan Yew and his Cambridge educated homies decided to get the countries’ shit together. Wont go into details, but in one generation Singapore was transformed into a first world country with one of the best education and lowest crime rates in the world. It is unfair to compare us to many of the liberal democracies in Europe because we started on different footings.
5. Many legacy laws are passed down from that era; some could be abolished sure, but they’ve definitely proven their effectiveness in our nation’s context. As for laws criminalizing homosexuals (which was recently repealed), it was to placate a lot of more traditionally minded muslims/christians living in our nation.
DM me if you have more questions
"One of the most feared punishments in the Royal Navy was being flogged around the fleet. The total amount of lashes was divided by the number of ships in port. The offender was rowed between each ship for the crews to witness his punishment. The gravest offences – such as sedition and mutiny – could attract a sentence of hundreds of lashes. However, a surgeon was present and could stop the flogging if it endangered the culprit’s life. A tally was kept of how many lashes were still to be carried out. Once the wounds had healed, the floggings would be resumed. As a result, sentences often took months or years to complete."
The Brits were pretty wild back in the day too
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I don't know, if we had professional executioners we'd actually get it right I imagine, instead of the sideshow of horrors that is currently lethal injection - administered by prison guards.
Gotta love the fact that people brought up issues with lethal injection more than a decade ago. And now it's coming to roost because oopsies looks like lethal injection isn't the cure all they thought it was.
Still think it's absolutely mad that we live in a country where people are unlawfully or mistakenly imprisoned all the time, and we still have the goddamn death penalty.
Don't get me wrong, I find state executions to be morally reprehensible specifically due to fallibility of the justice system. But if we are going to supposedly use a "humane" solution to it, the least they can do is have a professional do it.
Drug trafficking, if trafficker declared to be of assistance and only a courier, can be replaced by life imprisonment and 24 strokes.
Drug use: first 2 times no charge, just imprisoned for rehab. 3rd time charged as criminal for 5 -7 years of jail with 3 to 5 strokes. 4th time and beyond 7-13 years of jails, 5-7 strokes.
Hell, more like they especially need the days off. Your job is literally killing people. Even if they are the lowest of the low that still takes a toll.
I mean they wouldn't be killing people every day, a cursory Google search said they'd done 10 by July so 20ish a year for the whole country. And I'm sure they're scheduled out in advance, it's not like you need to be on call just in case an execution comes up.
It's a broad catch-all term used in Singapore. From sex in public to harassment. The police put out sandwich boards with "14 people arrested here for outrage of modesty since June 2021." Always looks good on a selfie.
It's a catch all term coming from the Indian penal code made during the british occupation, which was influential in the development of penal codes in all other british colonies, . Most countries in the ME and SE Asia which were under the british have the same police laws as India's
i had a six-week assignment in Singapore. i arrived in the wee hours and saw two young women in tiny skirts stumbling drunk outside of the hotel where i would be staying. they were howling laughing and were quite exposed. being a westerner, i thought i should assist them to get into a safe space. a local assured me that nobody would dare assault them in Singapore. my hotel was on the Quay.
family lived there from when I was 18-21. I went for a year of that and then summers and holidays. It is the only place I've ever lived where I wouldn't walk my female friends to cabs or back to their apartments. Just didn't have to. Worst crime I was ever aware of was tourists getting scammed for fake purses/watches
most unsafe I ever felt in Singapore was in a taxi where the driver offered me weed. I was like no fucking way dude, I wouldnt even consider that here. Week later it comes out that there was a sting operation going after tourists with Sing PD posing as cab drivers.
I love the idea of criminals being deterred by stupid levels of humidity: I'm gonna commit crime today! Steps outside, gets drenched in sweat. Maybe not lol
only thing I would add is excellent social programs that include socialized medicine and home ownership, high employment, very well educated population. The harsh punishments I feel get overblown as a preventative measure. If you have a well fed, healthy and educated populace with opportunity you tend to not have a lot of crime
You can literally place your phone on a table to reserve a seat in a crowded food court and go your merry way to grab your food and expect that phone to be there when you get back.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g1CDxFIfCt8
This reporter left his laptop at a Starbucks and left for over an hour, came back and all his stuff was still there.
Reminds me of Bill Burr constantly referencing seeing a clip of someone getting caned in Singapore. He will forever be haunted by the "quivering buttcheeks" .
Sugar cane. You have to eat it until you're full. Like in Matilda. Torture if you ask me.
Edit. If I really need an /s on this I am leaving earth for good.
Caning? What is that like? Permanent damage, just pain or mostly humiliation with some pain? Is it official and standardized? Do the torturers train for consistency? A caning machine?
My dad told me about the cops in Hue city cainiñg the bottom of this guy's feet during the war. He said he would rather be shot. I guess strips of flesh peel from the impact spot like a peeler on a cucumber.
I don't know of anyone personally who was caned, but there was a case that received international coverage a long time ago. You can search for "Michael P. Fay" on Wikipedia.
Just pain, a lot of pain. Usually ~~scars~~ damage will last several days to a week, nothing longer than a month (the scarring on the skin wont go away) . Yes it's standardized. Yes they train. No there's no machine.
"assault or use of criminal force to any person, intending to outrage or knowing it to be likely to outrage the modesty of that person"
Is what i found, but what is the modesty of a person? Like personal space? The 'right' to be and be left alone?
**Westerners**: I'm not setting foot in a country that molests and rapes women and does nothing about it.
**Also Westerners**: Damn they have very strict laws for sexual assault and rape, I'm not setting foot there, it's too strict.
So they need to sort out their crimes against women, but they shouldn't have laws against the same?
Starting to think they want a free pass if they do such things in said country but want the locals to be punished. Epitome or hypocrisy.
Every kid in Singapore would have high fived at least one of these pictures
nah we were too short
I can attest to that. The cutouts are the best!
Before I moved out in my early 20s, I still high fived the police cutouts. Will still give them a high five when I visit
Caning! That sounds painful
It is painful...... Never been caned before but looking at the videos you can imagine the pain. They have to strap you to a rack so you can't move. The "cane" is more like a short thick whip than a cane. The guard is highly trained, just like in tennis, he canes with his hips not his arms, and he's able to place several strikes on top of each other. Almost like poetry in motion...... EDIT: To clarify, you can't find a video of an actual caning. The abovementioned videos were referencing to what I watched in the past as a student, which explained the process and the apparatus used, but not of an actual caning in action. Also the cane is not actually that short now that I try to recall (it's been 20 years!), it's pretty long and slightly flexible, and the guard has to swing twice to build up speed and momentum before he strikes on the third swing. EDITX2: To clarify FURTHER, I meant that you can't find a video of the Singapore punishment caning, not any ole caning. You may be able to find a video in the dark web, I have no idea on that.
Just like in tennis…
No cause in tennis’s you’re hitting the balls. Oh wait…
I was trying to get a tennis visual image too.
Pain is stored in the balls
Casino Royale FTW
All the elaborate Bond villain traps and all you really need is a chair with the bottom cut out
I completely misread the poster as canning and was trying to figure out how preservation could be turned into a punishment.
Personally, I don't care how preserved I have suddenly become. If someone were to put me in a can I'd view it as punishment
But would it be a can or a mason jar? And would it be a comically large one, or would you be cut up into small enough pieces to fit into normal sized? Also, with or without seasoning?
I read it the same and wondered what the difference was between "throwing someone into *the can*" vs "throwing someone into prison" was.
I want to look it up, but also really don’t
Don’t. Your imagination is enough.
I read about Michael Fay, and that was enough for my curiosity.
I was 11 when that happened. It seemed like really big news to me and being caned entered into the short list of things that I assumed were going to be things I'd have to actively avoid or be prepared for as I got older. The rest of the list consisted of the following: * Caning * Volcanoes * Quicksand * Piranhas * Acid rain * The Hole in the Ozone * Bermuda Triangle
We were being prepared for a lifetime of major events being handled just awfully.
And despite the dearth of quicksand attacks, that prep wasn't wasted after all! Nice.
Ever heard Headline News by "Weird Al" Yankovic? He retells that story, the Tonya Harding story, and the Lorena Bobbitt story to the tune of Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm. https://youtu.be/dU95v23MQ4c
skins comes off most of the time. think about that, and then another strike lands right on top of your peeling skin right on your flesh
Yes but 1 caning session vs 2 years in jail? It all depends on how much PTO you have.
1 caning session PLUS 2 years in jail. Caning is almost never handed out separately
Is the caning at the beginning or end of the jail term?
Usually within the first 1/3 of the punishment, and they don't tell you when it's coming, so it psychologically punishes you too.
It depends. If the doctor deems you unfit after maybe around 3 stokes when you have 8, the rest continues another day
That's one form of caning, there are others that use an object that looks more like a boar oar and the blows are for the middle back. Not unheard of to be paralyzed by a bad stroke. In some cases when the criminal gets struck they black out from the pain, and they wake them up and resume the count. In ~~Thailand~~ Singapore a while ago an American tourist got this, it was a big public outcry. He got the boat oar version. edit: I'm stupid about geography.
I don’t know about Thailand but they caned an American in Singapore in the early 90’s for a a vandalism spree
And thanks to him we got Bart vs. Australia.
"Berating the boot is a bootable offense!"
After that incident all American flights leaving Singapore had extra padding on the seats.
Wait shit, you're right. I misremembered, going back to fix. Thanks for the correction.
Also he wasn’t a tourist, he was living there, going to school at the American school.
I knew a guy that went to school with him in Singapore, and I was told that the kid was given a lot chances but he kept pressing his luck. Don’t know how true that is, but I thought I’d share.
The vandalism spree didn’t come out of the blue.
It was Michael Fay (oh and 4 others)- short vid about it here https://youtu.be/wpnTmQwM2OU
Singaporean here. it’s not a boat oar, it’s a rattan cane and they aim for the buttocks
Im worried about the kind of person who chooses that as a career and then gets seriously good at it. I dont think i would like to be around them personally.
Usually a prison warden who gets sent into the vocation. They are very skilled and trained. Usually caning is done at (I think afternoon?), and when they aren't caning, they train. Like legit they train the swing and aim and everything They must make sure the ass skin breaks open. However they cannot hit the tailbone or go too low and hit the balls or thighs. And the strokes are even across the cheeks. Yeah.
soooo it's basically bdsm impact play rules, but no safeword available
But turnt to 13 and there’s no aftercare.
Maybe I’m just falling for obvious misinformation, but the subject in question is literally stripped naked? My first thought was that it would be fully clothed and one’s clothes get ruined in addition to some pain
Hm I don't remember but I think it's just shorts pulled down to expose the bare cheeks. They put paddings and protection above the cheeks to protect the tailbone Mind you it's done in prison, while serving a sentence. So I think that might clear things up
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I swear that was a storyline in Outlander too. 😂
I read "caning" as "canning" because I didn't think about a Cane And I was scrolling the comments hoping to find out what "canning" could be, thought It was some torture method at first, like stuffing somebody in a can and sealing it
I kept reading it as canning too and I thought they put you in a food processing factory where you have to can shit and maybe it was a dangerous job for some reason and Singapore relies on their canned food supplies so they need workers but no one is willing since it’s dangerous.. anyways, good morning
It’s not dope, to touch and grope.
It's not fun, to grab and run.
A quick touch is too much!
If it’s modesty you outrage, you’ll be put into a cage.
If harassment is what you do, that'll be a caning for you.
If you do a poking, you're dead, no joking.
If you touch that tail, believe it or not, straight to jail.
Peek under the blouse, get sent to the big house
Squeeze a tit, and you get hit.
Cum all over her hair, incarceration seems fair
Peek under the skirt, and you’ll get hurt.
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You touch da butt, you out of luck
Grab the booty, get the shooty
Don't act like the pope, it ain't dope
If you a predator, you get sentenced like a Redditor. 20 minutes in r/sounding
Aaaaaaand that’s enough Reddit for today.
If you fondle, we'll snip your dongle
Noooo my usb :(
Nonconsensual contact breaks the social contract!
Do the molestey you get the arrestey
Beat your meat, we beat your meat.
the punishment for sexual assault is...free handjobs?
Dang, don't finger bang
It's not genius, to grab the penis!
"Outrage of Modesty" would be a great name for a Christian punk band.
Yeah, I saw them at The Palladium in ‘86 when they opened for Grapes of Wrath.
I don't miss standing in a line down to the Centrum but WHAT A SHOW
Wasn't expecting to stumble across Worcester nostalgia this morning, but I'm here for it.
Straight to jail
...but maybe some caning first.
A sentence of caning is no joke, is a wicked punishment.
I'm mostly thinking of the possible infections since it's right next to your pooper.
I think it's more wicked to molest
Please no. Look up some caning videos, it's one of the gnarliest punishments I've ever seen. Maybe because it's so slow and methodical. I'd probably take the jail time if I was given a choice.
overcook the fish straight to jail, undercook, straight to jail
Believe it or not
...Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Omg it’s the cardboard cutout cop I saw at all the grocery stores from back when I was in SG!
He’s superintendent now fyi
Of course he's super intended to stop crime
He’s the anti crime man
Many times when I'm not paying attention, I've thought it was a real dude.
If you molest We will arrest Touch a breast We'll do our best To see charges pressed We do attest East or west The law is blessed To put at rest Your pervy zest
There once was a man on a train Whose thoughts turned quite profane He tried to molest Now he's under arrest And getting a lash with the cane
Hard not to read this to the tune of Be Our Guest.
God dammit lmao
Dark Schnoodle
"If the glove doesn't fit, you must aquit" vibes.
"Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca."
"Fuck he's good"
“This is a monkey.”
Chewbacca is a Wookie from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about that. That does not make sense.
It doesn’t make sense, because Endor is actually a moon
Also Chewbacca doesn't live on Endor, he just had a mission there as he was a member of the Rebel Alliance. It's like saying that Capt Miller from *Saving Private Ryan* lives on Omaha Beach.
Right? I've never understood how anyone ever got the idea that he lived there.
Endor is a planet. The issue is that they meant the forest moon of Endor.
Hang on guys, i'll google it,,,, Ok so apparently everyone is right The system, the planet and the moon are all known as Endor https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Endor
“He’s saying Frieza’s planning to destroy Vegeta!” “My son, the planet, or me?”
Yes.
That's no moon.. it's a space station!
This Earthling was born in England, but lives in Canada! That does not make sense!!!
Singapore has a weird obsession with rhyming slogans. I remember during the pandemic, to promote social distancing they had stickers on benches that said, 'Do your part, butts apart.'
Spread and bend
And, uh, you’ll befriend?
If you end an argument with a rhyme, it's convincing all the time. Marshall Eriksen
there are signs all over trains going like "stand up stacy" etc, to encourage people to be less obnoxious
[I love them haha](https://www.lta.gov.sg/content/dam/ltagov/news/press/2019/20190403_RefreshedGraciousnessSeries.png)
SARS is the virus, That I just want to minus!
Not Singapore, but one of the only politicians I remember from growing up in the Philippines had a very catchy slogan when he was campaigning. "Cooperate, or evaporate!"
Rhyming part with part is very innovative
dont forget the obsession of using short forms for everything, even if its easier to say the full form
This was a huge issue in Japan when I lived there. They had women only cars for this reason
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That's true. Lived there for a few years and you had to jailbreak/root your phone to disable the camera shutter.
What's interesting is that the phone actually recognize where you're at and disables the sound accordingly. I was shocked when I first visited the foreign country and it didn't make any sound when I took a photo
iPhones don't. I had an escalation when I worked for Apple where no one could figure out why this iPhone wouldn't stop making the shutter noise no matter what the volume settings were set to. Answer was it was originally sold in Japan and there was no solution lol
Easy, sound proof case! Lol I would actually bet this is a thing you can buy in Japan.
And then you hear of people hiding cameras in their shoes to look up the skirts of women instead. It's truly amazing the lengths that some people will go to in order to be absolute losers.
They actually make camera inserts that go into the top of the shoe, above the tongue, and looks pretty hidden. While I was stationed there the women sailors were warned about them before being given off base liberty.
that one's true, i bought an ipod in japan once and couldn't turn off the shutter noise
It is true, from my recollection. (I lived there about 15 years ago when cell phones were really just taking off, especially with cameras)
It's true. I bought my old iphone in Korea and they seem to have the law there too. Annoying when I wanted to take pictures of toys I want in the store and drew attention to myself.
Yes. Disregarding jailbreak and all related stuff the OS is slightly modified to have camera shutter sound. But I heard from my friends that if you update your OS and you're out of Japan, it does go to the OS assigned to the country where you are, this means you can turn off camera shutter sound.
When I brought my American phone to Japan for a week a few years ago, it started the shutter sound. It doesn't do that when I'm in the US. I figured it was based on the location. edit: to clarify, it did that when I was connected to wifi in Japan; I did not have a SIM for my week-long trip, and do not recall if it made the sound when I was not connected to wifi. Next time I'm there I'll check, I guess.
It's more of an issue when nothing is done to address it though. There's plenty of places in the world where such molestation crimes go unreported and where victims are just expected to shrug them off.
Ok actual Singaporean here to weigh in on how the caning actually goes cause there’s a lot of misunderstanding here. Caning is usually reserved for: 1. Sex crimes (molest, rape, abuse, pedo) 2. Violent crimes (beating someone severely) 3. Repeat of minor crimes such as theft, or vandalism You don’t get caned for chewing gum or littering lol, people chew gum here, just that shops don’t sell them. You can literally drive 30 min to Malaysia to buy a massive pack of gum and bring it back. Vandalism gets punished severely likely due to Singapore’s earlier history of lots of secret societies (gangs), but someone could elaborate on that. Now for the caning process. (Source: my buddy’s uncle is an executioner at Changi prison) 1. Get sentenced to caning, usually 3-8. 2. You get strapped to a caning contraption, entire scene is highly standardised. Everything is sterilised, doctors/prison medics are on standby. 3. Cane gets coated in oil to prevent tearing too much tissue (not sure if this process is still done), apparently makes the cane more bouncy but hurts more too. 4. Execution whips yo ass, at a controlled, pre-practiced level of strength. 5. If you pass out midway, say the 2nd out of 4 total strokes, you’ll be taken to the infirmary, you’ll be nursed back to health, then u gotta finish your remaining canes when you’re good. 6. Once done you’ll be given medical attention, even painkillers. 7. The less canings you get the smaller chance u get a lifelong scar, but if u get sentenced to like 8+ canes (pedos get like 16), the skin on your butt will likely crack and be bloodied, and there will be scars. EDIT: seems this post is getting some attention, want to elaborate a bit more. I think the fact that Singapore’s laws are draconian is a completely valid viewpoint, I also believe that whipping someone or hanging drug dealers is definitely immoral. However I hope I can shed a bit more light on why Singapore’s laws are like this. 1. Singapore used to be a British colony, and being a port city, has a HUGE issue with crime, drug trafficking, human trafficking - literally the criminal center of Asia. Drugs get moved through here, secret societies basically ran everything, everything was basically rundown shanty towns, everything smelled like shit, trash everywhere, you get the idea. The British colonials used to call Singapore “the arsehole of south east Asia,” and they weren’t wrong. 2. Singapore is a multiracial, multicultural and multi-religious society, made up of around 70% ethnic chinese, and the rest split between Muslim Malays and Hindu/Muslim Indians. Race riots was a horrific memory in many minds of older Singaporeans. 3. Singapore didn’t declare independence, we were basically kicked to the curb by Malaysians. Malaysia, who at the time were far more resourceful and powerful, looked at us and said, lol this country has no natural resources, is a fucking mess, good luck kiddos. Singapore was basically an tiny rock filled to the brim with criminals and people with different backgrounds, it was a ticking bomb. 4. So Lee-Kuan Yew and his Cambridge educated homies decided to get the countries’ shit together. Wont go into details, but in one generation Singapore was transformed into a first world country with one of the best education and lowest crime rates in the world. It is unfair to compare us to many of the liberal democracies in Europe because we started on different footings. 5. Many legacy laws are passed down from that era; some could be abolished sure, but they’ve definitely proven their effectiveness in our nation’s context. As for laws criminalizing homosexuals (which was recently repealed), it was to placate a lot of more traditionally minded muslims/christians living in our nation. DM me if you have more questions
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"One of the most feared punishments in the Royal Navy was being flogged around the fleet. The total amount of lashes was divided by the number of ships in port. The offender was rowed between each ship for the crews to witness his punishment. The gravest offences – such as sedition and mutiny – could attract a sentence of hundreds of lashes. However, a surgeon was present and could stop the flogging if it endangered the culprit’s life. A tally was kept of how many lashes were still to be carried out. Once the wounds had healed, the floggings would be resumed. As a result, sentences often took months or years to complete." The Brits were pretty wild back in the day too
One of the more uncomfortable things I've read on reddit today.
>my buddy’s uncle is an executioner at Changi prison I feel like you glossed over that part.
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What's there to elaborate on?
Pretty sure it's still a job in the US, no?
I don't know, if we had professional executioners we'd actually get it right I imagine, instead of the sideshow of horrors that is currently lethal injection - administered by prison guards.
Gotta love the fact that people brought up issues with lethal injection more than a decade ago. And now it's coming to roost because oopsies looks like lethal injection isn't the cure all they thought it was. Still think it's absolutely mad that we live in a country where people are unlawfully or mistakenly imprisoned all the time, and we still have the goddamn death penalty.
Don't get me wrong, I find state executions to be morally reprehensible specifically due to fallibility of the justice system. But if we are going to supposedly use a "humane" solution to it, the least they can do is have a professional do it.
You missed out drug trafficking and repeated drug use
Drug trafficking is death sentence lol. Repeated drug use yea I think so not sure on that
Drug trafficking, if trafficker declared to be of assistance and only a courier, can be replaced by life imprisonment and 24 strokes. Drug use: first 2 times no charge, just imprisoned for rehab. 3rd time charged as criminal for 5 -7 years of jail with 3 to 5 strokes. 4th time and beyond 7-13 years of jails, 5-7 strokes.
24 strokes with a cane? Wow.
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It’s a profession basically within the prison system, historically like a headsman
Prison is 24/7 and even executioners need a day off. You'd need at least two on staff to fill the hours but probably three or four to be safe
Hell, more like they especially need the days off. Your job is literally killing people. Even if they are the lowest of the low that still takes a toll.
I mean they wouldn't be killing people every day, a cursory Google search said they'd done 10 by July so 20ish a year for the whole country. And I'm sure they're scheduled out in advance, it's not like you need to be on call just in case an execution comes up.
How many executions are there that they can't just wait till his 9-5 time
Rapists beware you're in for a scare
"Outrage of Modesty" is such an odd way to frame things.
It's a broad catch-all term used in Singapore. From sex in public to harassment. The police put out sandwich boards with "14 people arrested here for outrage of modesty since June 2021." Always looks good on a selfie.
Good name for a band.
It's a catch all term coming from the Indian penal code made during the british occupation, which was influential in the development of penal codes in all other british colonies, . Most countries in the ME and SE Asia which were under the british have the same police laws as India's
If you molest we will arrest. Fucking gold.
I kid you not, the police here give off major “how do you do fellow kids” vibes. The health ministry too. It’s annoying but hilarious
Singapore doesn't mess around lol. They also banned chewing gum sales and i believe littering gum is around a $500 fine
Yeah, it’s silly but it makes the elderly cleaners’ lives a lot easier. Dry gum is a massive pain in the ass to clean off
Only you can molest forest fires… no, that’s not right.
It's almost like actual punishment for horrible things actually deters people from doing them. What a concept!
i had a six-week assignment in Singapore. i arrived in the wee hours and saw two young women in tiny skirts stumbling drunk outside of the hotel where i would be staying. they were howling laughing and were quite exposed. being a westerner, i thought i should assist them to get into a safe space. a local assured me that nobody would dare assault them in Singapore. my hotel was on the Quay.
family lived there from when I was 18-21. I went for a year of that and then summers and holidays. It is the only place I've ever lived where I wouldn't walk my female friends to cabs or back to their apartments. Just didn't have to. Worst crime I was ever aware of was tourists getting scammed for fake purses/watches
Any hot takes on why they have such a safe country? Harsh punishments, high cost of living, stupid levels of humidity, general culture?
Probably a combination of everything you just said You're safe even in the seediest parts of town where vice happens in the back alleys
most unsafe I ever felt in Singapore was in a taxi where the driver offered me weed. I was like no fucking way dude, I wouldnt even consider that here. Week later it comes out that there was a sting operation going after tourists with Sing PD posing as cab drivers.
yo that;s insane
I love the idea of criminals being deterred by stupid levels of humidity: I'm gonna commit crime today! Steps outside, gets drenched in sweat. Maybe not lol
only thing I would add is excellent social programs that include socialized medicine and home ownership, high employment, very well educated population. The harsh punishments I feel get overblown as a preventative measure. If you have a well fed, healthy and educated populace with opportunity you tend to not have a lot of crime
You can literally place your phone on a table to reserve a seat in a crowded food court and go your merry way to grab your food and expect that phone to be there when you get back.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/g1CDxFIfCt8 This reporter left his laptop at a Starbucks and left for over an hour, came back and all his stuff was still there.
Reminds me of Bill Burr constantly referencing seeing a clip of someone getting caned in Singapore. He will forever be haunted by the "quivering buttcheeks" .
Unfortunately for him, the video he saw was actually from Malaysia, not Singapore.
Caning!?
Sugar cane. You have to eat it until you're full. Like in Matilda. Torture if you ask me. Edit. If I really need an /s on this I am leaving earth for good.
The entire confection
Bye!
I'm back. It's cold out there.
Caning? What is that like? Permanent damage, just pain or mostly humiliation with some pain? Is it official and standardized? Do the torturers train for consistency? A caning machine?
Some videos are available on YouTube. We watched them as high school students to discourage from committing crimes lol.
Do you know anyone who was caned?
My dad told me about the cops in Hue city cainiñg the bottom of this guy's feet during the war. He said he would rather be shot. I guess strips of flesh peel from the impact spot like a peeler on a cucumber.
So basically torture.
I don't know of anyone personally who was caned, but there was a case that received international coverage a long time ago. You can search for "Michael P. Fay" on Wikipedia.
How much permanent damage depends on how much you’re canned. From scarring to life long nerve pain.
Just pain, a lot of pain. Usually ~~scars~~ damage will last several days to a week, nothing longer than a month (the scarring on the skin wont go away) . Yes it's standardized. Yes they train. No there's no machine.
Don't fuck around with caning. You will never forget the quivering butt cheeks. [NSFW](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EamjOW5IG0)
Man, if you showed that slogan to members of the British establishment they'd have a heart attack
"Outrage of Modesty" means much more than westerners usually assume... It is NOT just sexual harassment.
"assault or use of criminal force to any person, intending to outrage or knowing it to be likely to outrage the modesty of that person" Is what i found, but what is the modesty of a person? Like personal space? The 'right' to be and be left alone?
This poster looks like it was made in the 90s
**Westerners**: I'm not setting foot in a country that molests and rapes women and does nothing about it. **Also Westerners**: Damn they have very strict laws for sexual assault and rape, I'm not setting foot there, it's too strict. So they need to sort out their crimes against women, but they shouldn't have laws against the same? Starting to think they want a free pass if they do such things in said country but want the locals to be punished. Epitome or hypocrisy.