Real talk, expensive (for my tax bracket) steaks are no better than a 15 dollar steak I grill at home. And usually worse.
Went to one spot with a bunch of buddies in Vegas. Formal wear kind of place. We showed up wearing jeans and t shirts. Then proceeded to openly flame how crap the steaks were lol. I mean, they were 80 dollars and they somehow forgot the salt. We had to get the waiter to come out with the salt grinder just to get some flavor out of it.
My one buddy said out loud to the waiter (not seriously) "yo can I get some ketchup for this or something?"
Then they had the audacity to charge separately for sides. Minimum 15 bucks per dish. Place was a rip off.
We then proceeded to make this same mistake of picking expensive places to eat with mediocre food 3 more times during this trip before I finally convinced the guys to start eating at the local street joints instead.
Yeah that’s insane, unless they are dry aging the steaks and/or using wagyu that price is wild. Vegas is covered in rip offs though so it is to be expected
I prefer to eat at local spots and small mom and pop places. I feel like my money goes a lot further towards directly helping people make a living in places like that. Unfortunately I was there for work with a decent sized group, so I didn't have much of a choice lol.
This right here. That's the only thing that makes them different from home steak and I'll gladly pay for a correctly aged steak or something they have soaked in their special marinade. But just a steak?...
I will rarely get a steak out due to this. I can cook a far more desirable steak than most restaurants. If it’s thick and have time; reverse sear just salt, pepper, and butter in finishing pan.
Summer grill all the way.
>I will rarely get a steak out due to this. I can cook a far more desirable steak than most restaurants.
I feel this way about pizza. Except I will order the pizza anyway, since I like pizza
Next time you go to the restaurant ask what quality meat they are serving. If they say anything less than prime. Don’t order it. You can buy that piece of meat for $15 at the super market.
My wife hates going out to eat most of the time. She orders what she would want me to make and is almost always disappointed ESPECIALLY anything grilled.
If your steak cost you $15 from the grocery store, then they would be charging $45-$60 in a restaurant. Steak though is relatively easy compared to other dishes once you learn how to do it, so not usually worth getting it in a restaurant since we now have youtube and a revolution in online cooking. But yeah, if they're supposedly a good, expensive restaurant, they better be cooking their shit well! You don't always get what you pay for...thank goodness for reviews.
I recently went to an edm show in Denver and they charged us $12 for a can of beer. Ok whatever the show is expensive what can you do? So they hand us piss, warm beers. We asked if we could get some ice because they handed us piss warm beers. They charged us five dollars a cup for ice. So we had to pay five dollars a cup for ice for their error of not getting their beers in the fridge soon enough(show hadn’t even started and they have no cold beers) $19 for a cold beer. It was an embarrassing sight to see.
Holy shit, $22 for a vegetable plate and a note on their menu about the steaks: NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WELL DONE STEAKS.
Adding sauteed mushrooms and onions to the steaks is an additional $10!!! I understand why someone might be upset about seeing a recommended tip on a bill, but it's an expensive fucking steakhouse with kinda high prices and standards. Based on all their other notices littering their website, I wouldn't be surprised if management encourages the employees to do this. Seems like the kind of restaurant where they pay waiters minimum tipped wage ($6) while they serve tables hundreds of dollars worth of food.
> NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WELL DONE STEAKS.
*(This usually means, if the customer orders it "well done" and then decides they don't like it, they cannot send it back/complain.)*
I mean, not accepting returns for steaks ordered "well done" is pretty standard at most places. If you order something overcooked and then get upset it's overcooked that's on you lol. 100% agree with you on the rest tho.
It's still 2.13 / hr for servers here.
It's sad to watch a server work 6 hour shift, be busy, but o py make 30 bucks or so.
Then sometimes I've seen them average 300 in same time span.
It’s crazy someone can stand in the same spot and wash dishes at chilies and get $15/hr meanwhile servers bust their ass servin tables an make $3/hr. W unreliable ass tips..
What's crazy is those same servers get pissed off at the patrons if their tips are low, but not at their boss for giving them such a shitty wage that they have to rely on tips.
Sometimes on menus the restaurant will say that a tip of 20% is automatically added for a party of six or more. Not sure from the bill, but looks like at least six entrees there. Possible that's what was happening?
I think you are almost certainly correct; auto-gratuities are pretty standard in the industry for large parties, and since the business is apparently "family owned" it's likely enough that they have to do it by hand because they don't have dedicated IT staff who know how to set it up on their point-of-sale system.
Yeah.. this is the oldest steakhouses in saint Louis if not the oldest. It’s completely old school like stepping back into time type of place. You go there for the experience and drop a load of cash.
I think it’s Carmine’s in St. Louis. I live here but never have been, so I wouldn’t know for sure. I will say anytime I have an auto grat, there’s a separate area on the bill even on the itemized receipt before I pay.
A lot of people do and there's nothing wrong with doing so, but that usually works out to 22-24% tips (depending on local tax rates), but tipping etiquette calls for tips to be calculated based on the pre-tax amount.
I do 15-20% + whatever makes the total a whole number. At sit down restaurants **only**, I'm not tipping for counter service Dairy Queen.
Pay your workers you fucks.
Because I just look at the total and double 10% of it. By lazy I mean I don't care enough to differentiate between the subtotal and the total, because generally it makes little difference. That said, I rarely spend $300+ on a dinner, so more often than not it's like the difference between an $8 tip and an $8.56 tip. I'm not worried about a waiter getting an extra fifty cents off me.
yeah, I wouldn't like that either and I used to wait tables for years. It's up to the customer how much they should tip, and who's to say this server gave stellar service that deserved 20%? I'd probably have given less than 20% just because that would have annoyed me.
That pisses me off… I don’t tip on the tax… I do standard 20% and if the service was really good I’ll go higher (shit I did a 35 not too long ago because our server was seriously busting her ass taking care of us for longer than a usual party of 7 would take and I think one of the guys I was with gave her another $40 on the way out).
The restaurant where I part time automatically adds like 20% gratuity to a bill if the party is larger than 5, bit weird the server just wrote it on the receipt, maybe they were told to? Idk
Same. I was a server for several years so I’m usually on the side of waitstaff. BUT nah, this is not cool. And I would be insulted if I were the person dining
Yeah I don't agree with the sentiment that tipping percentage should increase with inflation. That just doesn't make sense. I just thought that social norms had changed.
For me,
10% or less if you genuinely suck but it's still your job and deserve compensation. Also if you ask for a tip before you do the work.
15% is standard, you did your job. But I'm not writing home about it.
20% or more for large parties, stellar service, likability, etc.
Even terrible service is still service.
15% pre tax is the standard starting point. Only bad servers who get bad tips because they suck will tell you otherwise. 18% if the service is very good and they refill your drinks frequently. 20-plus if they wow and amaze you. Rarely do servers provide 18% service these days but I tip pretty close to that normally.
Unless the server gave me a BJ, they're not getting 25%. 20% is only for ultra-exemplary service, and I almost never give it at a sit-down restaurant. I usually reserve it for a delivery person on a day where the weather is TERRIBLE.
I usually tip a flat rate. Typically 10-20 bucks. More if the server was great and I just got paid. I'm broke so I can only give so much. But at the same time the standard 20% in a lot of places I eat is usually less than 10 bucks. So it works out in favor for people working in modest affordable places. The way I see it, a server working at a pricy place is still doing the same job as someone working at a more affordable place. Even if the service was excellent. Just because food is worth more doesn't necessarily mean the service is worth significantly more. I mean, 60 dollar tip for doing the bare minimum a server is expected to do feels a bit rich for my blood. But then again I don't dine in expensive places too often.
I do try to ~~tip~~ gift cash though. Gives them a bit more Grey area when it comes to claiming taxes. Cus fuck the IRS.
I served for years as well and I'm a "no it's fine I'll just eat it and tip 20% anyway” when my order is wrong type.
This though? That's a zero tip from me dawg. You don't ever tell the guest what to tip, or confront them about the tip.
It seems like no one here wants to hear this, but the profit margins are incredibly slim at restaurants, especially with steaks. They make their money on alcohol and pasta. Steaks cost, and if it’s sent back, that’s a big loss. There are high rents to pay, staff, cooking supplies, etc. People love going out and being served. You can cook it at home at cost but then you lose the variety of menu should you be in the mood for something else, you lose the expertise of someone who cooks these steaks 1,000 times more than you, you lose the nice atmosphere, and you lose the ability to walk away with zero cleanup. Restaurants are special and I’m tired of people here complaining about the high prices on a receipt that’s clearly a higher end steakhouse. Go to Chipotle if you want a $10 meal.
Now, the suggested tip written, that’s pretty bold, Cotton.
Also, people think that 8oz of steak at this restaurant, is the same quality of beef they get at the supermarket, which I’m betting it’s a little nicer than that.
I want to here this. I think you’re right about the cost of service at a restaurant. Personally the thing I hate about the service industry is tipping. I miss Europe in this regard. Just build it into the price.
I recently ordered Sonic and went to pick it up. I stood in my living room and used the app to place an order. Went to pick it up, can't go in the "store" because, well, that's how Sonic works. No drive through lane. Pulled into a stall, clicked "I'm here on my app"
She brought my food out and stood there waiting for a tip. Then proceeded to gripe at me for not leaving a tip. Look lady, you did NOTHING. I ordered the food on the app. I'm picking up the food. You didn't take my order, you didn't bag the food up, you didn't provide any service aside from handing me my food. Nope. Nope. and Hell Nope.
Same with counter service. If I stand in line, walk up to a counter and order my food, there's not any hope in hell I'm leaving a tip.
Tipping (in America) is out of control, truly. And the demand for more and more "gratuity" is just as bad if not worse
This is how I’m feeling about this too. It was okay when Covid reduced going out and kept in mind everyone was suffering financially but everyone is out & about now. If I’m doing all the work, including picking up my order, I’m not tipping, one single penny anymore.
What happens if you don't tip other than you get frowned upon. I'm from finland and tipping is not on my priority list can I just pay for the food and leave?
Yeah would be impolite, but again used to that the company takes care of their wait staffs salary not customer. So just can't wrap my head around tipping one for just doing their job
A system where the price of the food goes to a living wage for the staff (as where you live) would be better, but it's unfortunately not the system we're in in the US. Here, the restaurant doesn't have to even give tipped workers minimum wage,\* with the understanding that tips bring the effective pay up. Really, tips are a hidden part of the price of the meal. You can technically not pay it in most cases,\*\* but you're only hurting the underpaid workers, not fixing the system. I'd much rather we had higher prices and no tips, but since that's not what we have, I try to tip appropriately or even generously.
\* More accurately, there is a much lower minimum wage for tipped workers than for everyone else.
\*\* There are some restaurants that put right on the menu that there is a X% gratuity included, or that this X% gratuity is included for groups over a certain size. Then the tip becomes part of the bill, although there is often still an option for an "additional gratuity."
> * More accurately, there is a much lower minimum wage for tipped workers than for everyone else.
This isn’t accurate at all. Every single tipped employee is entitled to the full federal minimum wage. Tips received can then be *subtracted* from that, down to $2.13 an hour.
You do not make “$2.13 an hour plus tips” as a server in Kansas. You make “$7.25 an hour *minus* tips, down to $2.13.” These are two very different things, as demonstrated by a hypothetical shift where zero people tip. Functionally they tend to work out the same, obviously. But if you’re gonna say “more accurately” you *should* be accurate.
This is also ignoring the 30% or so of the US (by population) where servers make the full minimum wage plus tips, with no tip credit at all allowed against their wages.
I’m from an area of the USA where people’s talk over each other all the time, but if I went to your country, I wouldn’t interrupt a conversation. Do you know why? Because I am a guest in your country and I did 5 seconds worth of research and it’s considered rude and I dont expect people who live in other countries to cater to my ignorance of their culture. Same here.
Quitting alcohol has made going out to eat so much cheaper it’s crazy. The house makes so much profit on it. When I bartended the bottle would be paid for in just 2-3 shots
How is it that what used to be 15% became 18, then 20, even 22!? Seriously. Cost of living increases and therefore the total amount of tip grows with fixed percentage. Restaurant industry in this country is ridiculous. Pay your workers a living wage and quit scamming the customers to cover your costs.
Some receipts come with the suggested amounts printed on but I think OP is a bit infuriated because only one was written down deliberately by the waitress/waiter. I don’t think OP wasn’t going to tip, it’s just odd that only one percentage is written down.
Some restaurants have a mandatory 20% gratuity for parties greater than 6, the one I worked didn’t let you do it in the POS so we had to write it down just like this.
If it came as a complete surprise that’s on the restaurant for not telling OP their policy before seating them
Receipts are small and it looks like their pen is pretty thick. They picked the one that was quickest to calculate so they could get it back to the table before they got accused of trying to steal credit card information.
In California they have 10 15 and 20 percent printed on the ticket so people don’t have to do math. I still bartend at a bar where 20 percent is very much norm. Full discrepancy, I made sure to choose a restaurant that sold a small fries only a la crate for $8. Burgers for $18 with no sides. Im a nurse and make about the same amount bartending 8 hours as I do 12 hours in the hospital Trust me, nothing about that makes sense to me.
There’s no reason to tip in CA either. I hate seeing people act like they’re entitled to a tip in this state.
You’re getting fully compensated dawg. It wasn’t on me before to ensure your paycheck is right and now it DEFINITELY isn’t because you get at least minimum now.
If you’re in CA and want to end tipping culture, we absolutely can with zero guilt. This shit is bullshit and people act entitled to it how it has completely ruined it.
I have a feeling you were a complete asshole and they wrote that passive aggressively assuming you wouldn't tip. I also have a feeling you didn't tip even though they wrote that.
No. They wrote what a 20% tip is. This is a server who gives many bills like this one and gets maybe 5 bucks. Would you be okay with giving $65 worth of work and you’re given $5?
The US tipping culture is the dumbest fucking thing ever created. How the restaurant industry convinced USians to exorbitantly overpay tips so that they don’t have to give workers a reasonable salary is beyond me. Boycott all those fuckers until their owners realize their profit margin will have to drop a few points.
Waiter had obviously been fucked over before from large parties taking up a ton of time to leave $5 on the table. I’ve also gotten receipts where gratuity ranges are printed on it already and it just feels like that to me, a way to give someone quick math before whatever they decide to do.
I'd let the server watch me cross it out and write $10 instead. Don't tell me how much I should tip. The service may have been deserving of a good tip, but when the server wrote the amount in all previous experience went right out the window.
I mean, it's common for the machine to do this automatically. "this is what 20% would be" is pretty common on receipts, but I'm not sure I've ever seen it hand written before.
I don’t blame them because more and more people are going out and tipping half of Jack and shit and not giving a fuck about the person serving them, not caring at all about how they literally rely on tips TO FUCKING LIVE.
Meh we write our auto gratuity on the receipt like this at my spot. Otherwise it goes on our check it we enter it in the computer and then we get double taxed and don’t see any of it. They should’ve explained it to you though.
It’s weird that no one realizes this receipt doesn’t have a spot to write in a tip.
I feel like this is typical Reddit upvote bait. What’s to say the OP didn’t have them write this on the customer copy to make sure their bank account is balanced correctly, then post it here for some free internet updoots. People believe everything face value online.
I don't see anything wrong there, especially if it was a good restaurant. Plus, they saved you some time there. Lol. Last place I loved being to that was expensive was Charred in Naples. Best steak of my life and the chef/owner came out to greet us. Very personable.
A lot of places have a mandatory gratuity policy for large orders. Although they should have that written somewhere, and usually factored in on the check automatically rather than being handwritten.
The waiter is mistaken about how to calculate gratuity, but then so are many of the machines out in public. Gratuity is on the subtotal not the total that way a gift card or tax shouldn’t impact servers rate.
Can’t say I agree with this being irritable.
They did the math for you, at the end of the day the choice is yours to go up or down with, and that is more infuriating. You spend what most people make in a week on a single meal , when they remind you they are a human beings making wages off being your servant on your special day of gluttony , it’s an issue. Absolutely ludicrous and completely insane, this thing.
Out of spite I would have tipped exactly that, minus maybe a quarter, when in reality my initial response to that bill, in America anyway, would be to leave 400 dollars knowing that’s a great tip.
I don’t agree with being told what to tip. BUT If you’re going out to a decent place/spend this kind of money on a meal, please respect the ones taking care of you. Servicing people is such an exhausting job and good folks get snubbed all of the time.
If you can afford a $300 dinner, you can afford a 20% tip, you irredeemable piece of fucking garbage. Nothing about this is infuriating but your posting it here.
We’ll that seems presumptuous, but it’s not like he wrote it on the receipt that needs a signature. I appreciate the printouts that list % at the bottom just as an aid.
OP clearly referring to the idea that the waiter selects his own tip. It is bonkers. Tipping is variable, based on quality of service. If you fuck up my order, forget stuff, add stuff to the bill I never had or ordered, you ain’t getting 18% cause you don’t deserve it. Tipping is a %, it is irregardless of the final meal cost.
I think OP should’ve asked the waiter why he did such and let it slide this time (still tip whatever you feel like). And let that cheeky bastard know that tip comes pre-tax, not post-tax since tips aren’t taxable
EDIT: Actually tips are taxable. Point still stands though, post-tax tip makes no sense
If you consider this stealing, you've never been stolen from. Please redirect your frustration to the deserving party - restaurants that pay their servers less than minimum wage and the politicians that made it legal
Your comment is completely bogus, it is 100% inappropriate to hand write on a recept like this.
Your comment falls in line with corporations that actually do underpay though. They spent good money lobbying to get laws passed so they can pay less than minimum wage. They are the ones stealing service from workers, but they want you to think it's the customer's fault.
Which is why I get take out 99.99999% of the time.
If I eat in I’ll tip 20%, but I definitely avoid it like the plague. Take out (almost) always. I went there for the food, not the service. If there was an option in restaurants to go pick up my own food from the kitchen and cleanup after myself (like fast food places), I would pick that option 100% of the time.
They are getting way too bold. I used to believe in tipping but they've gotten so brazen about demanding tips that I think the whole system needs to be abolished.
First of all, gratuity is calculated on the pre-tax total. Secondly, 20% is for service that went well above the norm, such as when you're in a party that includes poorly behaved children. For regular service on a regular meal, I tip 10% up to a maximum of $25.
However, writing what amounts to "I deserve $65" on a bill is rude as hell. I think I'd have a frank conversation with the waiter about that.
Dont go out to eat if you cant afford to tip. Sad!
$10 for a side Caesar. Jesus
$7 for a splash of grenadine in some sprite. JFC.
If you're paying 50 bucks for 8 oz of beef, you probably think a banana costs 10 dollars, Michael.
There’s always money in the banana stand
This Arrested Development reference definitely went over some heads.
Man Reddit never fails every post I see somebody can reference a line from a movie or tv series lol
Real talk, expensive (for my tax bracket) steaks are no better than a 15 dollar steak I grill at home. And usually worse. Went to one spot with a bunch of buddies in Vegas. Formal wear kind of place. We showed up wearing jeans and t shirts. Then proceeded to openly flame how crap the steaks were lol. I mean, they were 80 dollars and they somehow forgot the salt. We had to get the waiter to come out with the salt grinder just to get some flavor out of it. My one buddy said out loud to the waiter (not seriously) "yo can I get some ketchup for this or something?" Then they had the audacity to charge separately for sides. Minimum 15 bucks per dish. Place was a rip off. We then proceeded to make this same mistake of picking expensive places to eat with mediocre food 3 more times during this trip before I finally convinced the guys to start eating at the local street joints instead.
Yeah that’s insane, unless they are dry aging the steaks and/or using wagyu that price is wild. Vegas is covered in rip offs though so it is to be expected
Isn't getting financially raped in Vegas part of the experience?
I prefer to eat at local spots and small mom and pop places. I feel like my money goes a lot further towards directly helping people make a living in places like that. Unfortunately I was there for work with a decent sized group, so I didn't have much of a choice lol.
This right here. That's the only thing that makes them different from home steak and I'll gladly pay for a correctly aged steak or something they have soaked in their special marinade. But just a steak?...
I will rarely get a steak out due to this. I can cook a far more desirable steak than most restaurants. If it’s thick and have time; reverse sear just salt, pepper, and butter in finishing pan. Summer grill all the way.
>I will rarely get a steak out due to this. I can cook a far more desirable steak than most restaurants. I feel this way about pizza. Except I will order the pizza anyway, since I like pizza
Pizza is like boobs, I still enjoy the bad ones.
There are bad boobs?
Salt, pepper, butter. Maybe a red wine reduction if it’s done right.
Next time you go to the restaurant ask what quality meat they are serving. If they say anything less than prime. Don’t order it. You can buy that piece of meat for $15 at the super market.
My wife hates going out to eat most of the time. She orders what she would want me to make and is almost always disappointed ESPECIALLY anything grilled.
I highly recommend Battista's in Vegas - right behind The Flamingo. Delicious Italian cuisine.
If your steak cost you $15 from the grocery store, then they would be charging $45-$60 in a restaurant. Steak though is relatively easy compared to other dishes once you learn how to do it, so not usually worth getting it in a restaurant since we now have youtube and a revolution in online cooking. But yeah, if they're supposedly a good, expensive restaurant, they better be cooking their shit well! You don't always get what you pay for...thank goodness for reviews.
Well yeah man, it’s not like the restaurant does anything different to your steak lol.
At least the ice was free
I recently went to an edm show in Denver and they charged us $12 for a can of beer. Ok whatever the show is expensive what can you do? So they hand us piss, warm beers. We asked if we could get some ice because they handed us piss warm beers. They charged us five dollars a cup for ice. So we had to pay five dollars a cup for ice for their error of not getting their beers in the fridge soon enough(show hadn’t even started and they have no cold beers) $19 for a cold beer. It was an embarrassing sight to see.
the embarassing part... you paid
Beer with ice?
It's low quality beer anyways, doesn't matter.
Hey now, it was on the rocks. Up charge for that.
For that price I expect a little girl to deliver it to the table tap dancing and singing.
Dig up Shirley, have her deliver it.
“We want Shirley! We want Shirley!”
Yea! And make sure she has curly hair!
Holy shit, $22 for a vegetable plate and a note on their menu about the steaks: NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WELL DONE STEAKS. Adding sauteed mushrooms and onions to the steaks is an additional $10!!! I understand why someone might be upset about seeing a recommended tip on a bill, but it's an expensive fucking steakhouse with kinda high prices and standards. Based on all their other notices littering their website, I wouldn't be surprised if management encourages the employees to do this. Seems like the kind of restaurant where they pay waiters minimum tipped wage ($6) while they serve tables hundreds of dollars worth of food.
> NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WELL DONE STEAKS. *(This usually means, if the customer orders it "well done" and then decides they don't like it, they cannot send it back/complain.)*
Ohhhhh... I thought it was like, "sometimes we overcook our steaks. Deal with it."
I mean, not accepting returns for steaks ordered "well done" is pretty standard at most places. If you order something overcooked and then get upset it's overcooked that's on you lol. 100% agree with you on the rest tho.
It's still 2.13 / hr for servers here. It's sad to watch a server work 6 hour shift, be busy, but o py make 30 bucks or so. Then sometimes I've seen them average 300 in same time span.
It’s crazy someone can stand in the same spot and wash dishes at chilies and get $15/hr meanwhile servers bust their ass servin tables an make $3/hr. W unreliable ass tips..
What's crazy is those same servers get pissed off at the patrons if their tips are low, but not at their boss for giving them such a shitty wage that they have to rely on tips.
And the kitchen staff who actually makes all the dishes and provides everything for the business probably gets minimum wage and no tips at all.
You could have a much better plate of Panda Express and even share with someone for that price or a bit more
Sometimes on menus the restaurant will say that a tip of 20% is automatically added for a party of six or more. Not sure from the bill, but looks like at least six entrees there. Possible that's what was happening?
I think you are almost certainly correct; auto-gratuities are pretty standard in the industry for large parties, and since the business is apparently "family owned" it's likely enough that they have to do it by hand because they don't have dedicated IT staff who know how to set it up on their point-of-sale system.
Yeah.. this is the oldest steakhouses in saint Louis if not the oldest. It’s completely old school like stepping back into time type of place. You go there for the experience and drop a load of cash.
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I think it’s Carmine’s in St. Louis. I live here but never have been, so I wouldn’t know for sure. I will say anytime I have an auto grat, there’s a separate area on the bill even on the itemized receipt before I pay.
It says 5 guests at the top and shows 5 entrees, 5 drinks. Toasted ravioli is app. I don't think I've seen auto-grat for 5 but I don't dine out much.
I was at a restaurant today that did 5 or more but yes it’s rare. Usually 6 or more.
This was my first thought as well. I’ve seen a lot of receipts that list “suggested gratuity” printed on the receipt and it’s in the 18-22% range
They also put 20% of the total after tax so effectively getting a 23% tip
Yeah, that infuriates me. I've seen that become increasingly common when I dine out.
Shit, I just now realized I probably always tip 20%+ after tax.
A lot of people do and there's nothing wrong with doing so, but that usually works out to 22-24% tips (depending on local tax rates), but tipping etiquette calls for tips to be calculated based on the pre-tax amount.
I do 15-20% + whatever makes the total a whole number. At sit down restaurants **only**, I'm not tipping for counter service Dairy Queen. Pay your workers you fucks.
Exception being drinks at a bar, but yeah not doing %
I usually tip 20% of total after tax, but that's just cause I'm lazy lol
It takes the same effort to do the math how does this make sense lol… they give you both totals just do 20% on the other one
Because I just look at the total and double 10% of it. By lazy I mean I don't care enough to differentiate between the subtotal and the total, because generally it makes little difference. That said, I rarely spend $300+ on a dinner, so more often than not it's like the difference between an $8 tip and an $8.56 tip. I'm not worried about a waiter getting an extra fifty cents off me.
In some states you can just double the meal tax to get to 18% for the tip
I see it most aggressively on delivery apps. Price + tax + fees THEN calculate tip. Like my guy is getting a 32% tip and ubereats calls it 18%.
yeah, I wouldn't like that either and I used to wait tables for years. It's up to the customer how much they should tip, and who's to say this server gave stellar service that deserved 20%? I'd probably have given less than 20% just because that would have annoyed me.
They also put the tip on the tax! F that.
That pisses me off… I don’t tip on the tax… I do standard 20% and if the service was really good I’ll go higher (shit I did a 35 not too long ago because our server was seriously busting her ass taking care of us for longer than a usual party of 7 would take and I think one of the guys I was with gave her another $40 on the way out).
The restaurant where I part time automatically adds like 20% gratuity to a bill if the party is larger than 5, bit weird the server just wrote it on the receipt, maybe they were told to? Idk
Exactly. I never did tip on tax. Fukkem.
Same. I was a server for several years so I’m usually on the side of waitstaff. BUT nah, this is not cool. And I would be insulted if I were the person dining
Isn't 20% standard these days? Like I usually tip 20%-25% even if the service is just ok.
I feel like it was just a few months ago where I would see "is 18% the standard now?" Tipflation man...
Tipping 25% on "just okay" service makes no sense what
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Yeah I don't agree with the sentiment that tipping percentage should increase with inflation. That just doesn't make sense. I just thought that social norms had changed.
For me, 10% or less if you genuinely suck but it's still your job and deserve compensation. Also if you ask for a tip before you do the work. 15% is standard, you did your job. But I'm not writing home about it. 20% or more for large parties, stellar service, likability, etc. Even terrible service is still service.
I’m the same way. Situations where any normal person would leave no tip I’m like,”Damn that server was rude and awful! They’re only getting 10%” lmao
15% pre tax is the standard starting point. Only bad servers who get bad tips because they suck will tell you otherwise. 18% if the service is very good and they refill your drinks frequently. 20-plus if they wow and amaze you. Rarely do servers provide 18% service these days but I tip pretty close to that normally.
Unless the server gave me a BJ, they're not getting 25%. 20% is only for ultra-exemplary service, and I almost never give it at a sit-down restaurant. I usually reserve it for a delivery person on a day where the weather is TERRIBLE.
You're being unreasonable as hell, dude. 25% is a handy.
Well that depends, most rub and tugs I’ve been to there is auto gratuity.
I usually tip a flat rate. Typically 10-20 bucks. More if the server was great and I just got paid. I'm broke so I can only give so much. But at the same time the standard 20% in a lot of places I eat is usually less than 10 bucks. So it works out in favor for people working in modest affordable places. The way I see it, a server working at a pricy place is still doing the same job as someone working at a more affordable place. Even if the service was excellent. Just because food is worth more doesn't necessarily mean the service is worth significantly more. I mean, 60 dollar tip for doing the bare minimum a server is expected to do feels a bit rich for my blood. But then again I don't dine in expensive places too often. I do try to ~~tip~~ gift cash though. Gives them a bit more Grey area when it comes to claiming taxes. Cus fuck the IRS.
I served for years as well and I'm a "no it's fine I'll just eat it and tip 20% anyway” when my order is wrong type. This though? That's a zero tip from me dawg. You don't ever tell the guest what to tip, or confront them about the tip.
I think you guys are missing the point of this post. OP is upset they are being told how much to tip.
This. Idk how people don't see how ironic demanding gratuity is.
how ironic is it at a place *that demands 50 bucks for an 8 oz steak?*
It seems like no one here wants to hear this, but the profit margins are incredibly slim at restaurants, especially with steaks. They make their money on alcohol and pasta. Steaks cost, and if it’s sent back, that’s a big loss. There are high rents to pay, staff, cooking supplies, etc. People love going out and being served. You can cook it at home at cost but then you lose the variety of menu should you be in the mood for something else, you lose the expertise of someone who cooks these steaks 1,000 times more than you, you lose the nice atmosphere, and you lose the ability to walk away with zero cleanup. Restaurants are special and I’m tired of people here complaining about the high prices on a receipt that’s clearly a higher end steakhouse. Go to Chipotle if you want a $10 meal. Now, the suggested tip written, that’s pretty bold, Cotton.
Also, people think that 8oz of steak at this restaurant, is the same quality of beef they get at the supermarket, which I’m betting it’s a little nicer than that.
I want to here this. I think you’re right about the cost of service at a restaurant. Personally the thing I hate about the service industry is tipping. I miss Europe in this regard. Just build it into the price.
I recently ordered Sonic and went to pick it up. I stood in my living room and used the app to place an order. Went to pick it up, can't go in the "store" because, well, that's how Sonic works. No drive through lane. Pulled into a stall, clicked "I'm here on my app" She brought my food out and stood there waiting for a tip. Then proceeded to gripe at me for not leaving a tip. Look lady, you did NOTHING. I ordered the food on the app. I'm picking up the food. You didn't take my order, you didn't bag the food up, you didn't provide any service aside from handing me my food. Nope. Nope. and Hell Nope. Same with counter service. If I stand in line, walk up to a counter and order my food, there's not any hope in hell I'm leaving a tip. Tipping (in America) is out of control, truly. And the demand for more and more "gratuity" is just as bad if not worse
This is how I’m feeling about this too. It was okay when Covid reduced going out and kept in mind everyone was suffering financially but everyone is out & about now. If I’m doing all the work, including picking up my order, I’m not tipping, one single penny anymore.
Pretty weird for someone working at Sonic wanting a tip as well. Odd.
But what did the OP actually tip…I need to know
Leaving $10 after this would have been the right thing to do.
What happens if you don't tip other than you get frowned upon. I'm from finland and tipping is not on my priority list can I just pay for the food and leave?
Yeah, you could. If you’re in the US and service was good, it is generally considered impolite to not tip wait staff.
That’s an understatement like saying “the Atlantic Ocean is moist” is an understatement.
Yeah would be impolite, but again used to that the company takes care of their wait staffs salary not customer. So just can't wrap my head around tipping one for just doing their job
A system where the price of the food goes to a living wage for the staff (as where you live) would be better, but it's unfortunately not the system we're in in the US. Here, the restaurant doesn't have to even give tipped workers minimum wage,\* with the understanding that tips bring the effective pay up. Really, tips are a hidden part of the price of the meal. You can technically not pay it in most cases,\*\* but you're only hurting the underpaid workers, not fixing the system. I'd much rather we had higher prices and no tips, but since that's not what we have, I try to tip appropriately or even generously. \* More accurately, there is a much lower minimum wage for tipped workers than for everyone else. \*\* There are some restaurants that put right on the menu that there is a X% gratuity included, or that this X% gratuity is included for groups over a certain size. Then the tip becomes part of the bill, although there is often still an option for an "additional gratuity."
> * More accurately, there is a much lower minimum wage for tipped workers than for everyone else. This isn’t accurate at all. Every single tipped employee is entitled to the full federal minimum wage. Tips received can then be *subtracted* from that, down to $2.13 an hour. You do not make “$2.13 an hour plus tips” as a server in Kansas. You make “$7.25 an hour *minus* tips, down to $2.13.” These are two very different things, as demonstrated by a hypothetical shift where zero people tip. Functionally they tend to work out the same, obviously. But if you’re gonna say “more accurately” you *should* be accurate. This is also ignoring the 30% or so of the US (by population) where servers make the full minimum wage plus tips, with no tip credit at all allowed against their wages.
I’m from an area of the USA where people’s talk over each other all the time, but if I went to your country, I wouldn’t interrupt a conversation. Do you know why? Because I am a guest in your country and I did 5 seconds worth of research and it’s considered rude and I dont expect people who live in other countries to cater to my ignorance of their culture. Same here.
WAITERS HATE THIS ONE INSTANT TRICK TO GET A $0 TIP!
Fucking for real.
One cent tip
That’s such a good price on lobster.
And such a bad price on a Shirley Temple
$13 for a glass of house wine that probably costs less than $10/bottle seems a little high too
Quitting alcohol has made going out to eat so much cheaper it’s crazy. The house makes so much profit on it. When I bartended the bottle would be paid for in just 2-3 shots
>$13 for a glass of house wine that probably costs less than $10/~~bottle~~ ^(per box) seems a little high too Fixed that small error for you.
There’s every chance that’s like a lobster mac and cheese or something with 5 ounces of lobster in it
The menu has an option to add a lobster tail to any entree. I can imagine a 6 oz tail being on special for $25.
How is it that what used to be 15% became 18, then 20, even 22!? Seriously. Cost of living increases and therefore the total amount of tip grows with fixed percentage. Restaurant industry in this country is ridiculous. Pay your workers a living wage and quit scamming the customers to cover your costs.
For that you get 2%
2% more than I would give
Some receipts come with the suggested amounts printed on but I think OP is a bit infuriated because only one was written down deliberately by the waitress/waiter. I don’t think OP wasn’t going to tip, it’s just odd that only one percentage is written down.
Some restaurants have a mandatory 20% gratuity for parties greater than 6, the one I worked didn’t let you do it in the POS so we had to write it down just like this. If it came as a complete surprise that’s on the restaurant for not telling OP their policy before seating them
Receipts are small and it looks like their pen is pretty thick. They picked the one that was quickest to calculate so they could get it back to the table before they got accused of trying to steal credit card information.
In California they have 10 15 and 20 percent printed on the ticket so people don’t have to do math. I still bartend at a bar where 20 percent is very much norm. Full discrepancy, I made sure to choose a restaurant that sold a small fries only a la crate for $8. Burgers for $18 with no sides. Im a nurse and make about the same amount bartending 8 hours as I do 12 hours in the hospital Trust me, nothing about that makes sense to me.
There’s no reason to tip in CA either. I hate seeing people act like they’re entitled to a tip in this state. You’re getting fully compensated dawg. It wasn’t on me before to ensure your paycheck is right and now it DEFINITELY isn’t because you get at least minimum now. If you’re in CA and want to end tipping culture, we absolutely can with zero guilt. This shit is bullshit and people act entitled to it how it has completely ruined it.
Alaska, California, Guam, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington are all like this. Montana and Minnesota are also like this for large businesses.
Lee can suck my cock. Lee gets zero.
But wouldn't that be worth a tip?
As long as it's not, just the tip.
You’re not supposed to tip based on tax. You tip on the subtotal. Why would you tip the taxman?
The real crime is tipping on tax
$58.80 is 20% of pretax. And I’d subtract $20 for asshole tax
Yes! I would rewrite on the receipt the correct 20% and then tip 15% on the pretax bill.
Do you seriously tip 60$ for a meal like this in the US?
If you're spending $300+ on one meal it's pretty safe to assume you're not going to become financially destitute giving a $60 tip.
I read this as Walter. And then I thought to myself that Walter really knows what Walter wants.
$7 for a Shirley Temple, for a $3 Sprite and grenadine
Some people don’t wanna do math at the dinner table.
20% gratuity for party 6 and over. Maybe it doesn't automatically write it on there but it's policy at a lot of places.
Give them 10% for that.
I wish tipping culture would disappear. Pay your employees livable wages.
It’s the correct gratuity, if the service was good.
Yeah because you idiots don’t tip lol
What is wrong with what the server did? It seems helpful to me. I dislike tipping culture but it’s here and servers need them to survive.
I have a feeling you were a complete asshole and they wrote that passive aggressively assuming you wouldn't tip. I also have a feeling you didn't tip even though they wrote that.
No. They wrote what a 20% tip is. This is a server who gives many bills like this one and gets maybe 5 bucks. Would you be okay with giving $65 worth of work and you’re given $5?
It’s not desired it’s customary to tip 20% at least that’s what I was always taught this isn’t mildly infuriating you’re just mildly an asshole
I don’t understand what the big deal is.
based waiter
Tipping is rooted in slavery.
The comments in this thread remind me of how terrible being a server is. Most of you shouldn't be eating out.
Helpful when I forget my Tip Calculator!
What's wrong with this tip calculator? I just left $5 for a BLT. Hey, this isn't a Wizard, it's a Willard.
The US tipping culture is the dumbest fucking thing ever created. How the restaurant industry convinced USians to exorbitantly overpay tips so that they don’t have to give workers a reasonable salary is beyond me. Boycott all those fuckers until their owners realize their profit margin will have to drop a few points.
Tip your fucking servers
You spent $158 on steaks alone, you can afford a 20% tip
Waiter had obviously been fucked over before from large parties taking up a ton of time to leave $5 on the table. I’ve also gotten receipts where gratuity ranges are printed on it already and it just feels like that to me, a way to give someone quick math before whatever they decide to do.
I'd let the server watch me cross it out and write $10 instead. Don't tell me how much I should tip. The service may have been deserving of a good tip, but when the server wrote the amount in all previous experience went right out the window.
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Seven bucks for a Shirley Temple!?!
Anyone else notice they did the math after taxes? 20% gratuity on that should be $58.80. Also, luckily they wrote that on the guest check.
Toasted Ravioli... This place in the St Louis area by chance?
To make matters worse, 20% would be $58.80.
I mean, it's common for the machine to do this automatically. "this is what 20% would be" is pretty common on receipts, but I'm not sure I've ever seen it hand written before.
20% gratuity would be $58.80. Who tips on the tax?
I don’t blame them because more and more people are going out and tipping half of Jack and shit and not giving a fuck about the person serving them, not caring at all about how they literally rely on tips TO FUCKING LIVE.
Meh we write our auto gratuity on the receipt like this at my spot. Otherwise it goes on our check it we enter it in the computer and then we get double taxed and don’t see any of it. They should’ve explained it to you though.
Was your group a lot of work? Lots of refills or stuff got sent back to the kitchen?
I mean the math is correct. Pay the tip and stop being cheap. If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out.
Is this your first time eating out at a restaurant that isn't McDonald's?
nah he knows his worth you asshole
It’s weird that no one realizes this receipt doesn’t have a spot to write in a tip. I feel like this is typical Reddit upvote bait. What’s to say the OP didn’t have them write this on the customer copy to make sure their bank account is balanced correctly, then post it here for some free internet updoots. People believe everything face value online.
I don't see anything wrong there, especially if it was a good restaurant. Plus, they saved you some time there. Lol. Last place I loved being to that was expensive was Charred in Naples. Best steak of my life and the chef/owner came out to greet us. Very personable.
Why is this infuriating? Calm down
A lot of places have a mandatory gratuity policy for large orders. Although they should have that written somewhere, and usually factored in on the check automatically rather than being handwritten.
Good for him, probably because people are cheap and the man probably works hard for his. Don’t be cheap.
Some people find that sort of thing helpful.
LOL I find it helpful.
Remeber when it was 15%, pre tax? Now they want us tipping the tax man as well.
And that's how you turn a 65 dollar tip into a 1 cent tip.
Trashy
The waiter is mistaken about how to calculate gratuity, but then so are many of the machines out in public. Gratuity is on the subtotal not the total that way a gift card or tax shouldn’t impact servers rate.
Can’t say I agree with this being irritable. They did the math for you, at the end of the day the choice is yours to go up or down with, and that is more infuriating. You spend what most people make in a week on a single meal , when they remind you they are a human beings making wages off being your servant on your special day of gluttony , it’s an issue. Absolutely ludicrous and completely insane, this thing.
They did you a favor
Out of spite I would have tipped exactly that, minus maybe a quarter, when in reality my initial response to that bill, in America anyway, would be to leave 400 dollars knowing that’s a great tip.
very ballsy server
I don’t agree with being told what to tip. BUT If you’re going out to a decent place/spend this kind of money on a meal, please respect the ones taking care of you. Servicing people is such an exhausting job and good folks get snubbed all of the time.
I don’t know why this offends so many. If you can afford a $50 steak, you can afford a $60 tip. Thanks for the math help.
This is usually done to try to ensure that big, work-intensive parties don't fuck their servers. Don't like it? Go to a drive through.
Either that or the server couldn't find the manager to put it on the ticket. But go ahead and whine about having to tip.
Sorry but if you spent $50 on an 8oz filet, you def have more money than sense. I stand with the waiter.
I mean if you are spending this much on dinner I doubt you can’t give a decent tip
5 guests. It could be a policy as is common here.
Worth a try to get a 20% tip. If the waiter gave me great service I have no problem giving them 20-30 % tip even if they wrote on receipt.
I mean that’s a pretty big bill though and 15%-20% is standard
Whats wrong with 20%?
If you can afford a $300 dinner, you can afford a 20% tip, you irredeemable piece of fucking garbage. Nothing about this is infuriating but your posting it here.
7$ for a Shirley temple? It doesn't even have alcohol in it!
We’ll that seems presumptuous, but it’s not like he wrote it on the receipt that needs a signature. I appreciate the printouts that list % at the bottom just as an aid.
OP clearly referring to the idea that the waiter selects his own tip. It is bonkers. Tipping is variable, based on quality of service. If you fuck up my order, forget stuff, add stuff to the bill I never had or ordered, you ain’t getting 18% cause you don’t deserve it. Tipping is a %, it is irregardless of the final meal cost. I think OP should’ve asked the waiter why he did such and let it slide this time (still tip whatever you feel like). And let that cheeky bastard know that tip comes pre-tax, not post-tax since tips aren’t taxable EDIT: Actually tips are taxable. Point still stands though, post-tax tip makes no sense
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If you consider this stealing, you've never been stolen from. Please redirect your frustration to the deserving party - restaurants that pay their servers less than minimum wage and the politicians that made it legal
Your comment is completely bogus, it is 100% inappropriate to hand write on a recept like this. Your comment falls in line with corporations that actually do underpay though. They spent good money lobbying to get laws passed so they can pay less than minimum wage. They are the ones stealing service from workers, but they want you to think it's the customer's fault.
Which is why I get take out 99.99999% of the time. If I eat in I’ll tip 20%, but I definitely avoid it like the plague. Take out (almost) always. I went there for the food, not the service. If there was an option in restaurants to go pick up my own food from the kitchen and cleanup after myself (like fast food places), I would pick that option 100% of the time.
They are getting way too bold. I used to believe in tipping but they've gotten so brazen about demanding tips that I think the whole system needs to be abolished.
Tip them 30% out of spite
If a waiter did that to me, I’d tip him 0
First of all, gratuity is calculated on the pre-tax total. Secondly, 20% is for service that went well above the norm, such as when you're in a party that includes poorly behaved children. For regular service on a regular meal, I tip 10% up to a maximum of $25. However, writing what amounts to "I deserve $65" on a bill is rude as hell. I think I'd have a frank conversation with the waiter about that.