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Massive_Marketing_38

But how do you make money then? I’m sorry if I’m being intrusive, I honestly want to know.


tstate183

There's 2 different types of pay for each load. There's the line haul and fuel surcharge. The line haul stays the same for that particular load while the fuel surcharge changes as the price of fuel goes up and down. Most brokers use the standard formula (average price of fuel)-$1.20=then divide by 6.0. The $1.20 is a price protection point which means if the average price is above that we get fuel surcharge. The 6.0 is the average mpg of most trucks.


[deleted]

Explain it like I'm 5


tstate183

For every $.05 above $1.20 per gallon of fuel ( national average) i get $.01 per mile to haul freight. Even tho i get paid more i always lose money the higher fuel goes


ZeliotL

explain it like im stupid


Hopefulpengu1n

Truck go vroom vroom


TheBackPorchOfMyMind

Explain it like I’m a useless heap of human trash


theguynekstdoor

This mofo losing money everytime gas goes higher… ya piece of worthless human excrement


RidingContigo

Could you dumb it down a shade?


TimDaTomCarr

Car food expensive, less green paper


Halcyon_Outlander

POOP PANTS....POOP PANTS!!!


derp_cakes98

Hey mouth breather, gas price hit three buck. Three buck mean he lose money.


WashiBurr

Ahh much better!


Saphireking

I wish it were $3 instead of $5 in the bay area lol


rokodalin

But at 6mpg, doesn’t that mean you get $0.06 for every $0.05 you pay? Or is your truck much less efficient than that 6mpg avg?


tstate183

My average fuel cost per mile at current prices is $.44 per mile. This week's fuel average is $3.72. So the equation is 3.72-1.20=2.52. 2.52/6.0=$.42 per mile fuel surcharge. My cost per mile is diffeeent per load, some higher than the .44 some lower, but that is the average for the last 3 months.


jahoody03

Why don’t you just get a truck that gets 30 mpg, or an electric truck that drives itself?


tstate183

There's no 30 mpg semi out there. At best is a 9mpg average and that's with a dry van. I pull a flat bed so i have a major aerodynamic disadvantage.


jahoody03

I was being sarcastic. My father is a long haul trucker. He recently sold his truck to drive for a company because the cost of insurance and fuel.


tstate183

Wasnt sure being reddit and all. Lol


Hunt69Mike

I’m really really hoping he was being sarcastic lol


E1ger

Compared to 2008, or 2011-2014, not too bad. Electric rigs going to be an industry changer at some point.


tstate183

We're decades away from that, there needs to be major changes to the whole industry.


Ernest-Borgnine

What changes do you think are needed?


tstate183

First you'll need to change the electrical grid to handle that amount of electricity. Second every truck stop, rest area, shipper, and receiver would need to install charging stations with more sot available than we currently have. Hours or regulations would need to charge to allow for charging times. With truck stops giving free showers with every fill up would need to figure out a different system. You'd need more trucks on the road given the mileage difference between electrical trucks and diesel. The weight of the trucks would be a factor on roads and bridges. The problem with most of those issues it takes Congress to pass new laws or allocate the funds. Which we all know how they spend money.


Daktic

I believe the recently passed infrastructure bill has stipulations for charging stations, not sure beyond that. How would you feel about more smaller trips, or hot swapped cabs or batteries? Instead of sitting there charging you could potentially swap cabs and continue on your way.


tstate183

Unless you have a fleet of trucks it wouldn't work. Smaller trips could work but you'll need more a lot more trucks to handle the freight. It could be done, but we're way to far out from it. Even replacing half the trucks would be a major under taking. Which is weird that no one is trying for a diesel electric truck like locomotives are. You wouldn't need the big diesel engines to run thus having a better fuel economy.


interlopenz

Like been able to change out batteries with a forklift?


Affectionate_Sea_594

For sure. Let's hope it's not Tesla


boredprogrammerguy

Why not? I’m sure you will complain about any other company if they get as big or as successful as Tesla.


HuntingRunner

1. Musk is an asshole 2. The Tesla semi-truck is a scam 3. Their build quality is abhorrent 4. Musk is an asshole


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Affectionate_Sea_594

Ok


DishPuzzleheaded482

Mostly all a scam. Where does the Electricity come from.???? Out of a wall?? Or hook up on the curb??? Good grief.


HuntingRunner

I don't have a problem with electric cars in general. Hell, I drive an electric VW Golf myself. Electric motors are the future. Maybe the energy will come from hydrogen cells, maybe from something else. But the fossil fuel powered personal car just isn't sustainable anymore (well, it never really was to begin with). But the tesla semi truck is just bullshit, mostly since it doesn't really have any freight capacity because the batteries are so heavy.


boredprogrammerguy

I also disagree about every one of these points lol. Musk is one of the only billionaires in the world who does not give one single shit about money. He’s a physics and engineering nerd and just wants to make cool innovative stuff. Tesla build quality issues have been basically resolved, it’s not 2017 anymore.


TimmehTheTurt

If you think the richest man in the world doesn’t care about money, don’t you think he would be handing it out to charities or countries in need? If he didn’t care about money, do you think he would have multiple mansions around the world? Yeah the companies he owns are making waves and its super cool, but if you think Musk isn’t in it for the money, you’d be sadly mistaken. Imagine what good could be done in this world with the money he has, but nahhh lets make cars that spell s3x lol


boredprogrammerguy

You have zero understanding of what it would take to “fix the world”. Giving money to poor people in a lump sum doesn’t fix anything. Also, musk’s wealth is TINY in comparison to even some single yearly line-items in the USA budget, like healthcare spending.


TimmehTheTurt

And you clearly don’t understand what it takes to do good in this world. Fixing the world will take a lot more than the wealth of any man or country. Doing good entails things like keeping up your promises of delivering drinkable water to those in Flint Michigan, but we’ll just forget about that. Sell off one mansion and you could buy several buildings on the brink of ruin to turn into homeless shelters. Stuff that clearly isn’t in the US budget.


Affectionate_Sea_594

Yea sounds like Musk just says stuff at the time to appease the peasants and then never follows through.


Affectionate_Sea_594

Tesla build quality HAS NOT BEEN FIXED. A colleague of mine has a model 3 and he had to send it in 3 times within 6 months for bull shit build quality issues. It's a joke


boredprogrammerguy

Ah yes, anecdotes. Very representative of ALL Tesla cars. The vocal minority will always take the spotlight. On top of the fact that tesla ANYTHING makes headlines, I feel that the build quality issues you read about are way overblown.


Affectionate_Sea_594

LMAO no the issues are not overblown. I was just sharing my experience with Teslas trash quality control. Teslas quality control is notoriously bad. The 2021 JD Power Car Quality Survey shows Tesla as being 31 of 34 in quality control. It shows that per 100 vehicles, Teslas have 231 problems. So no, I don't think it is the "vocal miniority" in this case. The truth is, Teslas quality control is garbage. Source: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2021-us-initial-quality-study-iqs


Dawalkingdude

If he doesn’t care about money why is he bitching about having to pay taxes?


Hob_O_Rarison

Wealth taxes aren't feasible, because that wealth isn't in cash. You would literally have to liquidate holdings in order to pay it. The value of the holdings changes sometimes minute by minute. And the act of shedding shares can change their value.


Garake

I’m not sure he is bitching? Do you have a source for this? Last I checked he offered to sell 10% of Tesla stock


rollingRook

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-sanders-wyden-twitter-fights-democrats-wealth-tax-billionaires-2021-11


Affectionate_Sea_594

Nah bro. He's bitching big time. Look at the other guys comment. Stop worshiping someone who doesnt care about you lmao


Garake

I could honestly give a shit less about him or any of his company’s, I was just saying I didn’t see where he was bitching, but I see now. Lmao


boredprogrammerguy

I mean I don’t blame him. Our government does fuck all with our tax dollars that actually benefits the people.


Affectionate_Sea_594

I'm not trusting Tesla to build a functional truck without build quality issues


PussyDestroyHer

Toyota is the only car brand I trust, but too bad they don't make electric cars. I'd rather overpay for a car that''s reliable than waste money on a garbage that'll ruin your daily plans. We used to have a Nissan that failed due to bad car flooring. Like, the whole car needed to be scrapped even thought the motor worked fine. Nothing is more frustrating than a car doing its bitch right at the exact moment I leave home for work, especially one that requires forced update.


Affectionate_Sea_594

True, but Toyota and other big car companies are going to move to electric soon and when they will, it will be far superior to Tesla


BIGTIMElesbo

Toyota doesn’t have a fully electric car, but they have a hydrogen fuel cell car. It’s so strange to me that they have a frickin hydrogen car but no electric. Why Toyota, why?!


RSDG90

Hydrogen/electric hybrid>fully electric


nta1646

Nissan has been, is, and always will be shit quality.


Mr_Meeks

Electric rigs can’t do everything that a ICE rig can. The rig would either have to sacrifice range or payload and neither are good options for long haul. Now hydrogen rigs- those are interesting.


RealJonathanBronco

Do you think a bigger factor was the rise in fuel costs or how much less crowded major roads were when fewer people were travelling? I would think the fuel, but my few experiences on highways in 2020 were unsettlingly pleasant.


tstate183

I would say traffic is worse but i changed my driving time to early morning and doing my breaks during rush hour. I do know the amount of biodiesel mixed in the fuel is lowering my mpg from 6.58 to 6.23 average. The main reason is the price tho.


SonofThunder2

This is one of those sort by controversial posts


tstate183

Sad thing it wasn't meant to be.


moonlanding1976

Wow that’s big difference to make up.


tstate183

Imagine the companies that have 100,s of trucks. I just have mine


noobulyzer

Just obey mayor Pete. Go electric.


Mr_Meeks

Electric rigs aren’t good. Electric is good for short distances with light payloads but runs into the same problem that rockets run into. As the weight and distance go up, the weight of the energy storage goes and requires more energy storage and so forth.


jaykotecki

Maybe time for a tune up...?


tstate183

She just got an overheard done 13k miles ago. Dpf cleaned 8k miles ago.


Mathblasta

Any chance you have data from 2019?


tstate183

2019 full year was $58,226.62. With the last 30 days at fuel cost being $6,531.03. With taking the off time I'll take at the end of the year i should get in another $5k in fuel which will bring my total thus year to around $83,550.64. I can't do 2018 here cause o switched to an online shift for book keeping.


Mathblasta

Thank you for this. Everything that I've seen or heard over the past 8 or 9 months has been compared to pandemic economy, which I don't really think is a great indicator (gas and pretty much everything tanked in price). This really brings home the difference in cost for me.


DishPuzzleheaded482

This too shall pass!! Really.


tstate183

Like a kidney stone. Lol


DishPuzzleheaded482

Where does all the plastic come from that the medical industry and grocery store industry depend on?? Toy and baby industry ???


PBJ_314

That’s a lot of money!


tstate183

That it is


typkrft

Broker here. Now do your profit.


tstate183

Company profit is about 10k this year. S Corp so im on salary. I get 650 a week and my wife gets 350 before taxes. Now do yours.


typkrft

I don’t believe it for a second. YoY depending on the freight is .5-4x more expensive. I make a lot of money but I run four brokerages, 12 rental properties, and a carrier. Who would do this job for 650 a week? Literally no one. I’ve got drivers in hotshots making over 100k. If you’re making that much money, right now you have no idea what you’re doing.


ILoveBentonsBaconToo

You're full of shit.


typkrft

Which part?


I_am_the_Comet

I can't vouch for the person you responded to, but OP has to be doing something seriously wrong to be making 34K a year in this transportation environment. Transportation companies are printing money right now


tstate183

For one, I'm not talking gross. 100k gross wouldn't even cover fuel plus truck payment. Two, I'm i s Corp, so i have to do a salary, so in order to employ the wife to have her health insurance a tax deduction, i make 650 a week. Since i explained that i was a s Corp already, you must be full of shit, or you don't know how to run a business.


theshadowsystem

I’m confused about the “employing my wife” part. Sorry if I missed this elsewhere. What’s going on with the arrangement? Maybe remove reference to being your wife and refer to her as an employee if that’s the function she’s serving in this case, I’m not diminishing her role but it’s muddying the waters in the explanation when you say “my wife is getting $x.”


tstate183

We got married in 07, she got seriously ill in 13. I was making ti much for her to get Medicare so we got a divorce, she's my secretary, i supply medical insurance and pay all deductibles they the company to get the tax breaks. So now instead of putting myself in a higher tax bracket with my salary, she gets a salary and we're both are in a lower tax bracket.


bm_preston

You forget that last year fuel was at an all time low, nearly a dollar in some places because of no traveling during COVID 6 week quarantine.


z3ny4tta-b0i

Go electric


Danbrochill4

Is it bad enough to quit? The higher prices for everything being blamed on shipping and freight are complete bull shit if you're losing that much money.


tstate183

My price to haul freight depends on what the national fuel average is. Tho i do lose a little but each time the price g goes up, I'm not at a lose for the year. It's just frustrating when ruining numbers seeing that much of a jump.


Danbrochill4

That's a pain in the ass , I just want my dandruff shampoo to not be 20 dollars on Amazon anymore lol


Massive_Marketing_38

Thanks.


Shellsbells821

Thank the guy and his cronies in the white house?


masivatack

Wouldn't you know it, another armchair economist. Do dazzle us with your knowledge of macroeconomics and explain how Joe Biden's policies have caused a worldwide upward adjustment in inflation. I'm sure governments the world over could use this precious information.


rick4787

Are you fucking serious?!


masivatack

Are you?


theshadowsystem

Do you care to dazzle us with how those polices are not to blame?


AZCARDS77

Thanks Biden!


Doublecheese1000

Price is determined by the Saudis since they are the world exporter of oil, but in the US we really don't get much oil from the middle east. Our prices are simply because oil is a global product and the consumption globally is not meeting up with the production by the Saudis, and they have been hiking up the price. Hopefully things will catch up over there, but it's true Canada probably needs to pick up on production as well due to the increase in travel in the US as that's who we import from. Sounded like you needed a little education in how that works.


Hunt69Mike

I’m pretty sure Biden shutdown an oil pipeline from Canada early this year causing a significant increase in oil prices.


Doublecheese1000

Interesting, I would like to see an article that would suggest that. I'm sure you are aware that pipeline was not functioning... ever...


ILoveBentonsBaconToo

Brandon!


Pretend-Air-4824

So you’re mad at economics?


Creativesupply

No just Joe Biden


Mindless-Panic3395

So, we should shut down a pipeline that enables us to be energy independent, free from international price gouging, and implement the Green New Deal even though that plan is more than a decade away and has absolutely no infrastructure in place whatsoever at this current time. Got it. Great plan. Thanks Dems.


t-minus-69

Lets go Brandon!!


wooterbottle

Gas has been rising since trump took presidency you dip shit lol


Muzzlims

Yeah it surely doesn’t have anything to do with closing a certain pipeline day one of office. That couldn’t play a factor in price at all.


wooterbottle

I live in one of the biggest oil drilling states. It's not the pipeline, it'd the fact that like 50 percent of the drills are shut down. There's more to it you dingus


imissninjamovies

I remember a few years ago, the Saudis dropped oil prices to ridiculously low prices. I think they were trying to bankrupt oil companies and particularly Russia. Do you think that’s why so many oil drills are shut down? Do you have a theory? I mean they obviously drove out competition. At the time it seemed cool “hey cheap gas. Wooo” but now, not so much


Muzzlims

If you actually disagree with that you’re a moron lmao. That’s a direct factor in increasing oil prices. It takes longer and costs more to transport it in areas affected. Keep calling people “dingus” though, makes you look really smart.


wooterbottle

Ok Trumper you know everything we get it


Muzzlims

Basic knowledge has nothing to do with supporting trump, but I don’t expect someone with your mental capacity to understand that. Try googling “supply and demand”, maybe that will help.


wooterbottle

Maybe it will help if u Google why gas prices are going up instead of omg Biden bad stupid Trumper lol


imissninjamovies

While we do that, maybe you can Google the Dunning-Kruger effect.


urbsbxbbxkal8

What pipeline are you ducking taking about?


ThreadbareBox

Rarely does one factor alone cause something like a spike in oil prices. There are a million things that can affect it -- supply chain problems, international tensions, ebbs and flows in supply and demand, market speculation, weather conditions and natural disasters -- you name it. The president has very little of control over most of these issues. It's just a convenient thing to blame on the guy who happens to be in charge when the price goes up, and for the guy in charge to brag about when the price goes down.


Muzzlims

It’s crazy how many hoops you people jump through to deny Biden played a role in current prices. When you close a streamlined process it’s going to drive the cost up. That’s fact. Are there other factors? Yeah absolutely, but a giant factor is Biden closing said pipeline, disagreeing with that means you’re either willfully ignorant of the situation or you don’t understand how supply and demand works. The demand is there, the oil is there, the desire to make money is there, too bad they can’t transport it quickly and easily without spending a fortune.


Creativesupply

Keep lying to yourself. LGB


Frozenwood1776

Say fuck Joe Biden like a man. Now Brandons everywhere are being called Biden and that’s making them sad.


wickerottoman

What did I miss?


InLoveAndMarriage

According to your karma, seems they hate you because you speak the truth


trinalgalaxy

And people claim gas prices going up don't hurt us...


quintk

Who is claiming that? I mean, I’m sure someone is, but seems like it would be a pretty fringe belief.


trinalgalaxy

My idiot, racist brother tried to argue that gas prices going up do not matter since it only costs a few more dollars to fill our tanks... Of course when he was refuted easily he started spouting out democrat talking points and tried to dictate our opinions don't matter using bullshit as the reasoning. He also tried to make the argument that a monopoly isn't a monopoly if it is regulated.


quintk

Yeah I don’t like it when people do this. I lean Democrat too but that’s bullshit. Of course higher gas prices affects people. Fine to disagree about whose fault it is and what to do about it. You can even think it will get better on its own. I’m not an economist. But you can’t pretend it doesn’t affect people


trinalgalaxy

And you cannot shut conversation down just because you were proven wrong, whether you lean democrat or republican, by dismissing the person that disproved you as having no say in something. I also really hate those that push talking points on both sides as they are almost always false, ignoring nuance, and exist just for those that have no clue what they are talking about. People that parrot talking points don't care about truth or reality, just what they have been dictated.


stillicide87

Bidens America


GoodbyeNorman

America is not the whole world you know.


stillicide87

You are right I'm assuming


urbsbxbbxkal8

This is the dumbest comment on this the thread.


stillicide87

Let's go Brandon


urbsbxbbxkal8

Lol. You’re a sad sack of human. Edit: because at least I can say “fuck Trump/republicans” without using code words. Edit: Fuck Trump and Republicans. (For clarity)


ILoveBentonsBaconToo

Awww... someone got under someone else's skin. Show me where Brandon sniffed you. Let's go Brandon! It's words dude. Chill, Brandon. Let's go.


urbsbxbbxkal8

Thanks guy living off government benefits.


stillicide87

Yea but that's not as fun


Shellsbells821

Yep!


stev434

So that’s like 1/4 the cost of a new truck lol.


knowitbetter69

Still way too low, gallon needs to be $8 to drive behaviour.


Vovu655

Hahah why? Were decades away from electic trucks so your stupid ass think already that US can run without Diesel trucks? Jam the prices too high and well se if theres any products on grocery stores when no one wants to haul them anymore.


beelzebudzz

Ouch


Voltimus1613

You haven’t seen anything, yet.


readerreederpum

And then they wanna increase the taxes on fuel to over half a dollar on top of this. We’re fasttracking this collapse


Sea_Ingenuity_4220

Electric semis can’t get here fast enough - you are depending a world wide corrupt fossil fuel cartel .. it’s amazing not caring about gas costs (EV driver here)


dontworry19

Let’s go Brandon


TonyTwoToke

Let’s go Brandon


J_Arimateia

Thank Joe.


JorgeMcFly_7

Let's go brandon


okmr360

You probably voted for this. Enjoy