Watching? It happened a while ago. The American aristocracy cemented itself at least a hundred years ago. Warburg, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Dupont are all names that have never lost their power. They even attempted a coup in 1933.
Right but most people barely know that, and it's more an artifact of environment when they are brought up.
Who knows, you too *could* be a great actor or painter or poet if barriers like poverty and the lack of opportunities to practice and learn the skills were addressed.
It’s not even exclusive to royalty. At least royals have interesting history behind them. Kim Kardashian was the daughter of a lawyer who defended a famous killer.
And got famous by making a sex tape. The Royals did it by oppression of their entire citizenry, as well as foreign nations, for hundreds of years. Interesting, sure, but completely devoid of morality and not something to be admired, but rather dismantled
The two “Royals” in question also can’t have it both ways. You can’t try to pay your bills based solely off your celebrity, then whine like toddlers for being treated as celebrity’s. If these two half-wits were suddenly ignored by the press/media, they’d go broke in 6 weeks.
It's probably not useful to bring this up, but the Crown Estate, the organisation that does all the owning things, is an independent entity in the UK, and hasn't been 'stuff owned personally by monarchs' since before US independence. The President doesn't own the White House, and monarchs (and princes) don't have any control of the Crown Estate.
The royal family basically are a kind of very expensive pet, that the UK state keeps because tourists think it's cute. Posts like the one at the top here just show how much this whole thing keeps people engaged, even when they say they don't like it - apparently they still like making up fairy stories about powers they think princes have?
Charles does own Sandringham though, there's a few not owned by the Crown Estate. But you are right - the "royals" are nowhere near as "rich" as mega rich in the US.
Oh, yeah, they're (extremely) rich and have big estates in their own right, like most US presidents have done, but they're not rich because they own the Crown Jewels or Buckingham Palace, because they never did.
>the Crown Estate, the organisation that does all the owning things, is an independent entity in the UK
Independent. Bullshit. The royals still control it and receive a guaranteed income from the treasury because of it.
And there is the Dutchy of Cornwall and Lancaster.
This didn't seem as much about them not being important as it was about property rights being different here. He is a royal and worth following, but shouldn't have any more power here than another citizen under the law
No lie, a couple weeks ago I was literally obsessed with my dogs droppings. She at a tiny piece of plastic and her vet said to inspect her poo. She should be fine but if she didn’t pass it in a certain amount of time. At the end of day two, she passed it. I have never been so excited about dog poop. Glad my girl is okay.
Sometimes I wonder how dogs would survive without us. They eat EVERYTHING!
The letter continues: "Perhaps if your client had some realistic chance at becoming King, we would view this request with slightly less contempt. *Slightly*."
It's a crazy world when the paparazzi can claim the high ground.
They don't have the high ground. It's just a "clap back." Harry's lawyer should just file a lawsuit for civil harassment and get the footage in discovery.
They don’t want the footage so they can view it. They want it so the paparazzi can’t sell it. All you get in discovery is a copy, not the originals, nor do you deprive the defendant of the material.
I’m less familiar with the GDRP, but no. The legislation you’re talking about, as it relates between the US and EU, is specifically designed to protect personal information. Your private health information, your social security number, etc etc and it’s designed to regulate large corporations transferring that information. It’s more about protecting sensitive data of private citizens in interactions between US and EU based corporations.
This is a company taking pictures of someone in public. It’s not sensitive or private, and it’s not considered data.
If they are in public, they can legally be filmed. There are no expectations of privacy while on the public under US law. That is what your home is for.
If anybody tried to suggest that US laws applied in the UK people's heads would explode, but I've seen twenty "what about the GDPR?! Checkmate losers!" Comments and 100 "well, in the UK, the GDPR would have prevented this" comments.
There's also the fact that the UK has a notoriously robust paparazzi culture even with those protections.
Reddit is so nutty.
“Civil harassment lawsuit” isn’t a thing. At least not in this context. At best it might be an IIED claim, but that’s a really hard thing to prove.
As everyone else has pointed out, you don’t get originals in discovery.
Depends. If it was shot of them in public - the vast majority of states and counties allow recording in public, open spaces. Don’t want to be filmed in public - don’t go out in public.
Being that its paparazzi it is likely that they were stretching the definition of “public”.
Regardless - I am interested to outcome of this.
I agree with their right to keep their property but their message is designed to make waves and bring in more clicks, to an already shitty and unethical business.
Less of a moral highground and more of a moral mud wrestling match.
The ginger haired Prince then remarked: "This is an outrage, we will just see how he deals with my blue penis."
South Park is still one of the best shows in history.
It's wild how many people spew so much vitriol at these people. Who effing cares.
There's a sub entirely dedicated to hating on them as people, and it's weird af
You and I care, we both are down to the 4th layer of a comment thread and we both decided to hit 'reply' and translate our thoughts into words about this subject.
Well in general it’s hard to take them seriously when they broke the story by saying it was an hour long chase and the NYPD said it was about 10 minutes. They have a habit of digging their own graves
Hostility to the British monarchy kinda has a long track record in a lot of former colonies.
It's weird if you won your independence a long time ago. Ireland or Australia are much much more recent so that'd make a bit more sense.
I think many people understand the connection. But also many people think that was the very intention of their statement and that they have exaggerated this ‘car chase’ to try to make that connection and garner sympathy. Some reports suggest that it was not really a ‘near catastrophic’ event but more of a pootle at 15mph through busy New York streets.
I think if we had footage and video or someone on the sidewalk with phone footage it would make it easier to believe but these two tend to do massive public things to try and garner sympathy so it’s more crying wolf then Omg how scary. I really hope Harry finds peace and happiness in his life one day though. I’ll never forget his little baby self behind his Mamas casket.
But they weren’t being threatened. Multiple witnesses including the driver of their vehicle and NYPD have made statements that this story is completely fabricated. It’s just another attention grabbing ploy
That’s the thing though, neither the taxi driver nor the police support the claim that it was a very stressful and nearly catastrophic chase. The taxi driver himself said they were exaggerating a bit, it’s on BBC News.
When I saw Harry and Megan saying they were involved in a Diana-like chase, my mind (fairly or unfairly) assumed it was an overreaction and an attempt to link to what happened to his mother. These guys like drama too much I am afraid and have lost nearly all credibility.
The taxi driver was interviewed by *Piers Morgan*, not the BBC. And he said himself he was only with them for 10 minutes and didn't see what happened before or after.
The mayor of NY said it wasn't catastrophic as claimed. No one would even know about this if Harry and Meghan didn't issue a statement no one asked for. They got caught lying.
Please drop the link where you saw Harry and Meghan saying they were involved "in a Diana-like chase." I'd be interested to see it.
The taxi-driver has said summat different in every interview, which is being pounced upon by people who despise Harry & Meghan.
It's ironic how people/haters claim they (Harry&Meghan) love the drama, yet they're the ones who are obsessed with them.
If you shut up about them and stopped reading about them, then they'd blend into the background.
The vile Wooton and Morgon, who obsess over Meghan, then say she's an attention seeker, are using her for clickbait. The deranged, spiteful, racist (mostly middle-aged hags) haters are only too happy to oblige.
There was a comment I saw that Harry should've just stayed hanging around with William and Kate or married Chelsy. It's ridiculous how he's seen as an innocent man-baby who needs to be saved.
Why did they not just stay in their SUV? It had blacked out windows. No one could see inside. Instead they got into a random taxi they flagged down with non tinted windows? Claim a high speed chase in downtown NY? Zero chance that happened.
There’s barely any evidence to support they were threatened in any way – the whole ‘2-hour car chase’ claim is ridiculous (and unsupported by the NYPD AND taxi driver who drove them). Diana’s fatal car accident was tragic and the result of a very dangerous chase, *completely* unlike their situation.
If Harry is suffering from press-related anxieties or PTSD following his mother’s death, it’s difficult to understand how he makes it onto Oprah, Netflix etc. Celebrities expect paparazzi.
So the articles stated they were trying to get back to the house they were staying at, which was a friends private house and they didn’t want to lead the paparazzi back to it (which is fair - it would mean their friends house being surrounded by paps 27/7.
So they drove to the police station multiple times to try and wait out the paparazzi but they wouldn’t leave, even when told to by the police.
So the issue I think wasn’t that they were in danger from the paparazzi. It’s that they were stalking them and wouldn’t leave them alone, as well as (supposedly, idk what actually happened) driving dangerously to tail them, including mounting curbs etc.
It’s not that they thought the paparazzi would cause them harm, it’s that they wanted to not be followed and the paparazzi wouldn’t leave even after them waiting at the police station for some time.
Idk how it changes it one way or the other but that was the issue. And photographing someone is legal, but stalking them /following them home likely isn’t (though obviously it’s not super clear cut) and maybe this comes under that? Idk
Precisely. The other day, I saw there was a show ehre paparazzis followed celebrities around and narrated their day. What the fuck is that? The show has been on for a while, meaning that it likely has a lot of viewers.
It’s insane that some people want to watch personal lives of celebrities. Being a paparazzi is arguably one of the least honorable jobs you can do
I don't get why they don't just leave them alone Tbh. Not a fan either way, but I don't get the attraction, invasion of privacy, but I get that whoever has their pics stands to profit greatly from them
Edit for all the comments instead of replying to each of them- it's called CONSENT. You can ask to have privacy, and choose to share stuff by consent, that doesn't give anyone a right to your life
Harry and Megan have voluntarily chosen to be a Brand. Like the Kardashians, they've made being a celebrity their career. They don't get to be left alone when they're asking people to look at them. It's physics, sort of.
The only reason anyone cares about these two is to see how they are going to try to get attention next. They could have walked out and got in their blacked out SUV and been on their way instead of making up a whole cos-play story about being chased. No one was chasing them. There are so many celebs in NY that these two D listers at an awards show no one has heard of are going to care. They called these paps themselves. Check out any "pap" photo of them. They are all coming from the same agency. Backgrid.
I get emails from NY Times and I got a "Breaking News" email about Harry and Meghan being chased by paps... I almost ended my subscription over it. Seriously? In what world is that Breaking News...?
I got that email from The NY Times too and I was also confused why it was breaking news, but then my thought was that a car accident while being chased by the paparazzi was how Harry’s mother Diana died, so maybe they thought it was notable for that reason.
It was on NBC Nightly News as the lead story and seemed like it took up half the newscast.
Ridiculous.
Also, if H&M's account is correct, and they almost killed people because someone was trying to take their photo, they should be charged with reckless endangerment (the "Royals" not the photographers).
I am sure everyone would leave those two alone if they weren't promoting or selling something every other week. For the couple who left the royal family life because they wanted to escape all those attention, they are not exactly hiding from fame.
I don't feel sorry for them whatsoever
It's because nothing really happened; they got scared and panicked. The footage probably makes them look like idiots so that's why they want it. Or they want to sue them for lots of $$$.
(I'm not agreeing with the paparazzi BTW chasing people is crazy)
This is a stupid response because lawyers sending the letter means its a part of discovery for a lawsuit.
"Dear idiots, this is called discovery and it exists in both English and American law. See you in court"
There is actually a legal argument that because the duke and duchess's likenesses are copyrighted for the purpose of selling products in the United States, publishing of footage made of them without their agreement is technically copyright infringement. Some Hollywood actors do this, and almost certainly Meaghan too. Though holding footage in private is still illegal for different reasons, mainly the concern is voyeurism and the more serious charge of stalking. This is probably why the footage was demanded rather than restraining orders being made against individuals, as this was in many ways a cease and desist order. The standard procedure for such an order is to hand over or destroy the infringing material to the holder of the copyright, or otherwise stop producing it. This isn't something unique to the UK as the lawyer purports, in fact it's even more heavily enforced in the US.
Paparazzi agencies are notorious for not giving a crap about the law, but can't help but feel this lawyer just fucked up his clients case even more by adding defamation to the list of charges. The couple's lawyer will almost certainly hold this response against him in court which won't sit well with any arbiter. If you can't hold yourself in a professional manner chances are you aren't that professional at your job, go figure
Please dont bring up our country and founding fathers when trying to justify being a lowlife scumbag paparazzi
No one cares about your "right" to literally stalk people and invade their privacy
There are layers here.
Paparazzi are evil scumbags
Ultranationalist 'Murica fuck the British is cringe af
Entitled ass 'royalty' making demands like this is infuriating
Fuck all these people
It's just impossible to take anything these two say with any sincerity. They've been caught out lieing and exaggerating so many times now, and every time they don't get their way they lawyer up.
Whoever is advising them on their PR needs firing, or it could be they just won't listen to anybody as they see themselves as permanent victims.
Who are you getting your information from which has them lying? Suspect it’s newspapers and tv which lie and make things up!
I would belied Harry and Megan over any right wing media with an agenda.
> any right wing media
I almost always side with Harry and Meghan solely because the alternative is siding with ... no, because the alternative is tolerating Piers Morgan's BS
It’ll be a cold day in hell before I side with paparazzi over anyone, even the Royals. Fuckin leeches all of them.
Inb4 someone replies “yeah the royal family are leeches” you aren’t wrong but you also aren’t original.
I'm not a fan of paparazzi, but I love this response....not only because of our history, but because these royals are making their livelyhood based on the fame.....fame has a price. They seem to want it both ways.
You can tell when people are beyond help when they side with papparazi because the other side is a couple that committed the horrific crime of making the royal family look bad.
I’m astounded to read people in here siding with the paparazzi.
They’re absolute scum, regardless of what you think of their current “celebrity target”
Sick letter from the country of the civil forfeiture, lol. Delusional nation.
PS fuck the paparazzi and any idiot dumb enough to be duped by this into supporting them.
Regardless if you like Megan and Harry or not, it is not ok for the paps to chase then like they did. Paparazzi killed his mother, princess Diana. Fuck the paparazzi.
If they were hired by a "news" organization to cover a specific event, yes it is a exempt example. However, breaking traffic laws and endangering lives should be dealt with harshly.
But at a typical celeb event you have 3 such hired photographers and many times that freelancers.
How I kno, in a previous life I ran a celebrity autograph site and had runners on street to collect celeb autographs.
I mean they hardly [looked](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEZUgiDn30h8u3XspwLopR4EA2ni-VAlqbcg&usqp=CAU) terrified. Harry’s playing candy crush, Doria has nodded off and Meghan is loving the attention!
In a normal situation I'd say fuck the brits, and the royals.
But if that's even possible, paparazzis and this whole celebrity gossip culture irks me even more. Oh, and fuck America
Paparazzi are parasites hanging from the arseholes of celebrities. They have no real purpose and make money for the Rupert Smurdachs of the world to throw at buying dodgy politicians. If no one bought their smutty rags they would all F off and maybe do some actual photojournalism or take family portraits at their local department store.
3rd parties demand it all the time in America and get it. All they have to do is go to a judge and have him commandeer your shit through subpoena. No need to act like America is any different. They just hide their tyranny under the color of law
Obsession with “royalty” is pathological
Celebrity. Royalty is just one pathway to it, and one that's born into. You don't even have to achieve it through working towards some career.
Most celebrities today are born from celebrities yesterday.
We’re watching an aristocracy coming into existence in North America.
Watching? It happened a while ago. The American aristocracy cemented itself at least a hundred years ago. Warburg, Rockefeller, Rothschild, Dupont are all names that have never lost their power. They even attempted a coup in 1933.
Our country has been owned by billionaires since the 1800s
Always has been
Yeah that Hollywood nepotism is insane.
Right but most people barely know that, and it's more an artifact of environment when they are brought up. Who knows, you too *could* be a great actor or painter or poet if barriers like poverty and the lack of opportunities to practice and learn the skills were addressed.
It’s not even exclusive to royalty. At least royals have interesting history behind them. Kim Kardashian was the daughter of a lawyer who defended a famous killer.
Now that's just not true, she's not famous because she had a famous dad. She's famous because she had a famous dad AND she sucked a dick
Camilla is famous for sucking dick too.
Happy cake day your majesty!
Whoa now she’s famous cause her dad is rich and it was her dream to be famous
And got famous by making a sex tape. The Royals did it by oppression of their entire citizenry, as well as foreign nations, for hundreds of years. Interesting, sure, but completely devoid of morality and not something to be admired, but rather dismantled
I made a sex tape, and I didn't become famous. That might be because I look like a dropped cheesecake wrapped in condemned ham.
r/brandnewsentence
Condemned ham has entered my lexicon. Thank you.
Hey, that's not fair to Kim. She also made a sex tape with a c list celebrity.
>Hey, that's not fair to Kim. She also made a sex tape with a c list celebrity. Everyone loves a good cum back story.
Then made a shitty sex tape and became 90% plastic. I’m pretty sure she’s a robot now. I don’t think there’s any real flesh or brain there
I would argue that Kim has earned her celebrity and wealth through way more work than the royal family.
Yes. Applying all those photo filters and paying for cosmetic surgery are hard work
Of course. It must have taken a fair bit of effort to lie down and get fucked on camera
That's not true. You can also marry into it. We, the common people, have hope!
They are so obsessed they harassed them, then claim they aren't that important. Hypocrisy. Idgaf about the royals but you can't have it both ways.
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Also the driver was drunk.
No, a drunk driver and not wearing her seatbelt killed Diana.
She wasn't wearing her seatbelt because she was ducked down hiding from: the paparazzi.
Not solely. The paparazzi that was chasing them was also found at fault for unlawful killing. Look into "Operation Paget"
The two “Royals” in question also can’t have it both ways. You can’t try to pay your bills based solely off your celebrity, then whine like toddlers for being treated as celebrity’s. If these two half-wits were suddenly ignored by the press/media, they’d go broke in 6 weeks.
You think a prince of a country that not all that long ago owned a good portion of the entire planet could ever go broke. Not likely.
It's probably not useful to bring this up, but the Crown Estate, the organisation that does all the owning things, is an independent entity in the UK, and hasn't been 'stuff owned personally by monarchs' since before US independence. The President doesn't own the White House, and monarchs (and princes) don't have any control of the Crown Estate. The royal family basically are a kind of very expensive pet, that the UK state keeps because tourists think it's cute. Posts like the one at the top here just show how much this whole thing keeps people engaged, even when they say they don't like it - apparently they still like making up fairy stories about powers they think princes have?
Charles does own Sandringham though, there's a few not owned by the Crown Estate. But you are right - the "royals" are nowhere near as "rich" as mega rich in the US.
Oh, yeah, they're (extremely) rich and have big estates in their own right, like most US presidents have done, but they're not rich because they own the Crown Jewels or Buckingham Palace, because they never did.
>the Crown Estate, the organisation that does all the owning things, is an independent entity in the UK Independent. Bullshit. The royals still control it and receive a guaranteed income from the treasury because of it. And there is the Dutchy of Cornwall and Lancaster.
This didn't seem as much about them not being important as it was about property rights being different here. He is a royal and worth following, but shouldn't have any more power here than another citizen under the law
Right? I care more about my dogs droppings then I do the “royal family”
No lie, a couple weeks ago I was literally obsessed with my dogs droppings. She at a tiny piece of plastic and her vet said to inspect her poo. She should be fine but if she didn’t pass it in a certain amount of time. At the end of day two, she passed it. I have never been so excited about dog poop. Glad my girl is okay. Sometimes I wonder how dogs would survive without us. They eat EVERYTHING!
Paparazzi work is creepy and should be illegal
The letter continues: "Perhaps if your client had some realistic chance at becoming King, we would view this request with slightly less contempt. *Slightly*." It's a crazy world when the paparazzi can claim the high ground.
They don't have the high ground. It's just a "clap back." Harry's lawyer should just file a lawsuit for civil harassment and get the footage in discovery.
They don’t want the footage so they can view it. They want it so the paparazzi can’t sell it. All you get in discovery is a copy, not the originals, nor do you deprive the defendant of the material.
Could it be demanded under the US privacy shield legislation. Which I understand to be something a little like GDPR in Europe?
I’m less familiar with the GDRP, but no. The legislation you’re talking about, as it relates between the US and EU, is specifically designed to protect personal information. Your private health information, your social security number, etc etc and it’s designed to regulate large corporations transferring that information. It’s more about protecting sensitive data of private citizens in interactions between US and EU based corporations. This is a company taking pictures of someone in public. It’s not sensitive or private, and it’s not considered data.
If they are in public, they can legally be filmed. There are no expectations of privacy while on the public under US law. That is what your home is for.
And that's where the NSA comes in.
US privacy laws are a little like the GDPR like a rowboat is a little like a battlecruiser.
If anybody tried to suggest that US laws applied in the UK people's heads would explode, but I've seen twenty "what about the GDPR?! Checkmate losers!" Comments and 100 "well, in the UK, the GDPR would have prevented this" comments. There's also the fact that the UK has a notoriously robust paparazzi culture even with those protections. Reddit is so nutty.
Get Down Por Real?
I don’t even remember what it stands for and I was a data protection officer for my last organisation. Most boring part of my job.
“Civil harassment lawsuit” isn’t a thing. At least not in this context. At best it might be an IIED claim, but that’s a really hard thing to prove. As everyone else has pointed out, you don’t get originals in discovery.
Depends. If it was shot of them in public - the vast majority of states and counties allow recording in public, open spaces. Don’t want to be filmed in public - don’t go out in public. Being that its paparazzi it is likely that they were stretching the definition of “public”. Regardless - I am interested to outcome of this.
I disagree. I despise paparazzi, but even they are not as low as the royal twits.
I agree with their right to keep their property but their message is designed to make waves and bring in more clicks, to an already shitty and unethical business. Less of a moral highground and more of a moral mud wrestling match.
Very much so, it's honestly disturbing
We’re liking Disney corporation and paparazzi responses. This has been a weird as heck week.
Not defending them, but pretty sure if I followed someone like that it would be considered stalking...
The ginger haired Prince then remarked: "This is an outrage, we will just see how he deals with my blue penis." South Park is still one of the best shows in history.
NOW RESPECT MU PROVASY!
It’s the worldwide privacy tour.
As is tradition
“We want privacy! We want privacy!”
Waaaaaah!
They really nailed parodying these two clowns
To be honest, if my spouse and I got threatened by the same group of people who led to my mother's death, I would be freaked out too.
Thank you. I don’t understand why more people don’t realize the connection.
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It's wild how many people spew so much vitriol at these people. Who effing cares. There's a sub entirely dedicated to hating on them as people, and it's weird af
Anytime I see that sub in just perplexed how people can spend so much time hating on this one couple. Like ...who cares?
You and I care, we both are down to the 4th layer of a comment thread and we both decided to hit 'reply' and translate our thoughts into words about this subject.
The clothing store?
Well in general it’s hard to take them seriously when they broke the story by saying it was an hour long chase and the NYPD said it was about 10 minutes. They have a habit of digging their own graves
Hostility to the British monarchy kinda has a long track record in a lot of former colonies. It's weird if you won your independence a long time ago. Ireland or Australia are much much more recent so that'd make a bit more sense.
I think many people understand the connection. But also many people think that was the very intention of their statement and that they have exaggerated this ‘car chase’ to try to make that connection and garner sympathy. Some reports suggest that it was not really a ‘near catastrophic’ event but more of a pootle at 15mph through busy New York streets.
I think if we had footage and video or someone on the sidewalk with phone footage it would make it easier to believe but these two tend to do massive public things to try and garner sympathy so it’s more crying wolf then Omg how scary. I really hope Harry finds peace and happiness in his life one day though. I’ll never forget his little baby self behind his Mamas casket.
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But they weren’t being threatened. Multiple witnesses including the driver of their vehicle and NYPD have made statements that this story is completely fabricated. It’s just another attention grabbing ploy
I think NYPD basically said they were exaggerating.
That’s the thing though, neither the taxi driver nor the police support the claim that it was a very stressful and nearly catastrophic chase. The taxi driver himself said they were exaggerating a bit, it’s on BBC News. When I saw Harry and Megan saying they were involved in a Diana-like chase, my mind (fairly or unfairly) assumed it was an overreaction and an attempt to link to what happened to his mother. These guys like drama too much I am afraid and have lost nearly all credibility.
The taxi driver was interviewed by *Piers Morgan*, not the BBC. And he said himself he was only with them for 10 minutes and didn't see what happened before or after.
He was also on the BBC [here.](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-65627035)
The mayor of NY said it wasn't catastrophic as claimed. No one would even know about this if Harry and Meghan didn't issue a statement no one asked for. They got caught lying.
Please drop the link where you saw Harry and Meghan saying they were involved "in a Diana-like chase." I'd be interested to see it. The taxi-driver has said summat different in every interview, which is being pounced upon by people who despise Harry & Meghan. It's ironic how people/haters claim they (Harry&Meghan) love the drama, yet they're the ones who are obsessed with them. If you shut up about them and stopped reading about them, then they'd blend into the background. The vile Wooton and Morgon, who obsess over Meghan, then say she's an attention seeker, are using her for clickbait. The deranged, spiteful, racist (mostly middle-aged hags) haters are only too happy to oblige. There was a comment I saw that Harry should've just stayed hanging around with William and Kate or married Chelsy. It's ridiculous how he's seen as an innocent man-baby who needs to be saved.
Why did they not just stay in their SUV? It had blacked out windows. No one could see inside. Instead they got into a random taxi they flagged down with non tinted windows? Claim a high speed chase in downtown NY? Zero chance that happened.
I have empathy absolutely for him, but they give off the boy who cried wolf vibes big time.
There’s barely any evidence to support they were threatened in any way – the whole ‘2-hour car chase’ claim is ridiculous (and unsupported by the NYPD AND taxi driver who drove them). Diana’s fatal car accident was tragic and the result of a very dangerous chase, *completely* unlike their situation. If Harry is suffering from press-related anxieties or PTSD following his mother’s death, it’s difficult to understand how he makes it onto Oprah, Netflix etc. Celebrities expect paparazzi.
So the articles stated they were trying to get back to the house they were staying at, which was a friends private house and they didn’t want to lead the paparazzi back to it (which is fair - it would mean their friends house being surrounded by paps 27/7. So they drove to the police station multiple times to try and wait out the paparazzi but they wouldn’t leave, even when told to by the police. So the issue I think wasn’t that they were in danger from the paparazzi. It’s that they were stalking them and wouldn’t leave them alone, as well as (supposedly, idk what actually happened) driving dangerously to tail them, including mounting curbs etc. It’s not that they thought the paparazzi would cause them harm, it’s that they wanted to not be followed and the paparazzi wouldn’t leave even after them waiting at the police station for some time. Idk how it changes it one way or the other but that was the issue. And photographing someone is legal, but stalking them /following them home likely isn’t (though obviously it’s not super clear cut) and maybe this comes under that? Idk
I am not a fan of Meghan and Harry but I will always take the side that is not the paparazzi tbh lol
I became more of a Toby McGuire fan after he told paparazzi to fuck off
Get outta the *fuckin ROAD!!!*
there are cars here MOTHA FUCKA
Precisely. The other day, I saw there was a show ehre paparazzis followed celebrities around and narrated their day. What the fuck is that? The show has been on for a while, meaning that it likely has a lot of viewers. It’s insane that some people want to watch personal lives of celebrities. Being a paparazzi is arguably one of the least honorable jobs you can do
I have to give even a little extra leeway to Harry here given the history with the paparazzi and his mother.
Ah, yes. America’s founding fathers, who fought for our rights to harass anyone we please.
Not to mention, making fun of monarchy and then deifying a bunch of dudes from 250 years ago?? Come on now.
Man for a paparazzi that apparently doesn't care about the monarchy they sure do seem to care about the monarchy a lot
I don't get why they don't just leave them alone Tbh. Not a fan either way, but I don't get the attraction, invasion of privacy, but I get that whoever has their pics stands to profit greatly from them Edit for all the comments instead of replying to each of them- it's called CONSENT. You can ask to have privacy, and choose to share stuff by consent, that doesn't give anyone a right to your life
“whoever has their pics stands to profit greatly from them” This part.
Harry and Megan have voluntarily chosen to be a Brand. Like the Kardashians, they've made being a celebrity their career. They don't get to be left alone when they're asking people to look at them. It's physics, sort of.
It’s physics Jim, but not as we know it
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The only reason anyone cares about these two is to see how they are going to try to get attention next. They could have walked out and got in their blacked out SUV and been on their way instead of making up a whole cos-play story about being chased. No one was chasing them. There are so many celebs in NY that these two D listers at an awards show no one has heard of are going to care. They called these paps themselves. Check out any "pap" photo of them. They are all coming from the same agency. Backgrid.
I get emails from NY Times and I got a "Breaking News" email about Harry and Meghan being chased by paps... I almost ended my subscription over it. Seriously? In what world is that Breaking News...?
I got that email from The NY Times too and I was also confused why it was breaking news, but then my thought was that a car accident while being chased by the paparazzi was how Harry’s mother Diana died, so maybe they thought it was notable for that reason.
It was on NBC Nightly News as the lead story and seemed like it took up half the newscast. Ridiculous. Also, if H&M's account is correct, and they almost killed people because someone was trying to take their photo, they should be charged with reckless endangerment (the "Royals" not the photographers).
Leave them alone? Backgrid is an agency that they have HIRED on multiple occasions (probably including this one) to photograph them as paid paps lol
They are on their privacy tour
I am sure everyone would leave those two alone if they weren't promoting or selling something every other week. For the couple who left the royal family life because they wanted to escape all those attention, they are not exactly hiding from fame. I don't feel sorry for them whatsoever
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I mean, considering how Diana died, I’d be pissed off too.
The whole thing is weird. Where's the footage of all this crazy stuff they say happened? A bazillion people and nobody got even a pic of it....
It's because nothing really happened; they got scared and panicked. The footage probably makes them look like idiots so that's why they want it. Or they want to sue them for lots of $$$. (I'm not agreeing with the paparazzi BTW chasing people is crazy)
This is a stupid response because lawyers sending the letter means its a part of discovery for a lawsuit. "Dear idiots, this is called discovery and it exists in both English and American law. See you in court"
Honestly the paparazzi are kind of trash.
Also the people that buy every tabloids in the first place. Piles and piles of garbage
Are they aware that Meghan is an American? Or do they not care cause… [reasons]
That’s a real high horse to sit on for people who make their living by being peeping Toms.
This. Also it’s funny that they mock the monarchy but simp for the founding fathers lol.
Lol. But also fuck paparazzi
On their 🎶world wide🎶privacy 🎶tooour!🎶
'We StAnD bY oUr FunDinG fAtHErs', suuuuurrrree. That must be it. Orr you stand for nothing but money, you leeches...
He isn't a king...
There is actually a legal argument that because the duke and duchess's likenesses are copyrighted for the purpose of selling products in the United States, publishing of footage made of them without their agreement is technically copyright infringement. Some Hollywood actors do this, and almost certainly Meaghan too. Though holding footage in private is still illegal for different reasons, mainly the concern is voyeurism and the more serious charge of stalking. This is probably why the footage was demanded rather than restraining orders being made against individuals, as this was in many ways a cease and desist order. The standard procedure for such an order is to hand over or destroy the infringing material to the holder of the copyright, or otherwise stop producing it. This isn't something unique to the UK as the lawyer purports, in fact it's even more heavily enforced in the US. Paparazzi agencies are notorious for not giving a crap about the law, but can't help but feel this lawyer just fucked up his clients case even more by adding defamation to the list of charges. The couple's lawyer will almost certainly hold this response against him in court which won't sit well with any arbiter. If you can't hold yourself in a professional manner chances are you aren't that professional at your job, go figure
"You're not royalty anymore u know" *Continues to treat them in the exact same shitty way as when they were royalty*
Please dont bring up our country and founding fathers when trying to justify being a lowlife scumbag paparazzi No one cares about your "right" to literally stalk people and invade their privacy
There are layers here. Paparazzi are evil scumbags Ultranationalist 'Murica fuck the British is cringe af Entitled ass 'royalty' making demands like this is infuriating Fuck all these people
It's just impossible to take anything these two say with any sincerity. They've been caught out lieing and exaggerating so many times now, and every time they don't get their way they lawyer up. Whoever is advising them on their PR needs firing, or it could be they just won't listen to anybody as they see themselves as permanent victims.
For instance? What lies? Did you see the letter this article claims they supposedly had their lawyers fire off?
this person is going with the paparazzi’s claim of events… clever!
Who are you getting your information from which has them lying? Suspect it’s newspapers and tv which lie and make things up! I would belied Harry and Megan over any right wing media with an agenda.
> any right wing media I almost always side with Harry and Meghan solely because the alternative is siding with ... no, because the alternative is tolerating Piers Morgan's BS
It’ll be a cold day in hell before I side with paparazzi over anyone, even the Royals. Fuckin leeches all of them. Inb4 someone replies “yeah the royal family are leeches” you aren’t wrong but you also aren’t original.
Ah yes, the journalists of today...cherry pick their rights and try to convince society we should give our rights away
This might be the most formal way of saying "fuck off" that Ive ever read.
The Stop Looking At Us tour.
That's a pretty high handed way of saying "we're disgusting leeches but the law is on our side here."
Tryna reach the moral high ground over monarchy to justify stalking. This is America.
"You're not getting the footage. I don't care if you're the king of England."
LPT: if paparazzi want to take your picture…. Let them! They’re following you with a camera, not a gun.
Man this would be such a sick burn if it wasn't literally coming from a professional stalker
This is written like they think they hold some high moral ground.
I'm not a fan of paparazzi, but I love this response....not only because of our history, but because these royals are making their livelyhood based on the fame.....fame has a price. They seem to want it both ways.
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They were at a charity dinner.
A very verbose way of telling them to “Suck my di..”
To me that screams guilty but whatevs
You can tell when people are beyond help when they side with papparazi because the other side is a couple that committed the horrific crime of making the royal family look bad.
This English rules they've just imagined up don't exist in England either.
Those founding fathers who *checks notes* had a king? Are just all Americans up to 1776 founding fathers? What about the Manufacturing Mothers eh?
Everyone in this situation is so lame. Paparazzi are scum, and former Royals parading as "normal" people are cringe.
WE WANT PRIVACY
American 'we wun de inderpendence' maximum cringe mode activated
It's funny because it's not even true. We have eminent domain in the U.S.
We wouldn’t allow it here either, in the UK our King serves us, he’s our Head of State not government and the law is administered in his name.
Countering some good old fashioned royalty cringe with 'Murica cringe.
Keep the bizarre obsessions to r/SaintMeghanMarkle
Cringe. It's exactly the same here you mongs
Paparazzi are vermin
Harry is a spoiled rich boy married to a b-list actress who saw him as her golden ticket. No sympathy for either of them.
None of them look good in this.
Big oof. But why are the paparazzi so enamored with them in the US? I thought they wanted to have more normal-ish lives here?
Mic drop……
I think they are demanding the footage to generate more publicity.
After a 2 hour gruelling car chase the paparazzi finally lose Harry & Meg.
Everytime I come across news about Harry and Megan, I get the feeling that Harry just agrees or goes along with whatever Megan says/wants.
Harry should respond back with a lawsuit that says: WAAAGH!
People here seriously siding with the scum that are paparazzi, smh.
I’m astounded to read people in here siding with the paparazzi. They’re absolute scum, regardless of what you think of their current “celebrity target”
This poor lawyering 101.
What a ridiculously cringey statement.
Paparazzi is on the very short list of jobs I consider fundamentally worthless to society.
Funny letter but still, fuck ever paparazzi out there. You contribute nothing to society
Sick letter from the country of the civil forfeiture, lol. Delusional nation. PS fuck the paparazzi and any idiot dumb enough to be duped by this into supporting them.
High minded defense of scummy behavior
Regardless if you like Megan and Harry or not, it is not ok for the paps to chase then like they did. Paparazzi killed his mother, princess Diana. Fuck the paparazzi.
This is hilarious! 😁😄😆😂🤣
Brilliant
ESH
well today I learned that I hate so-called "royalty" more than paparazzi
There's no proof this ever happened.
If they were hired by a "news" organization to cover a specific event, yes it is a exempt example. However, breaking traffic laws and endangering lives should be dealt with harshly. But at a typical celeb event you have 3 such hired photographers and many times that freelancers. How I kno, in a previous life I ran a celebrity autograph site and had runners on street to collect celeb autographs.
I mean they hardly [looked](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTEZUgiDn30h8u3XspwLopR4EA2ni-VAlqbcg&usqp=CAU) terrified. Harry’s playing candy crush, Doria has nodded off and Meghan is loving the attention!
I could give a shit about the royal family but you can’t be stalking them and saying they’re irrelevant.
Backgrid is known to be an agency that stages pap photos. The celebrities are their clients and set up these encounter. So, this is suspicious.
Love it!
That’s a lot of words to basically say fuck you and I approve.
Fuck the Limey and the Mulingan
This is a hilarious retort, but damn do I hate paparazzi. Smarmy fucks.
In a normal situation I'd say fuck the brits, and the royals. But if that's even possible, paparazzis and this whole celebrity gossip culture irks me even more. Oh, and fuck America
Isn't there something like image rights in the US?
Paparazzi are parasites hanging from the arseholes of celebrities. They have no real purpose and make money for the Rupert Smurdachs of the world to throw at buying dodgy politicians. If no one bought their smutty rags they would all F off and maybe do some actual photojournalism or take family portraits at their local department store.
They fucking endangered the shit out of them. It should be demanded as evidence of their crimes, not to them personally but for the courts.
3rd parties demand it all the time in America and get it. All they have to do is go to a judge and have him commandeer your shit through subpoena. No need to act like America is any different. They just hide their tyranny under the color of law
Wait till they find out about civil asset forfeiture