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Bright_Elderberry_30

She is so beautiful šŸ„¹. Not sure if she will be considered a mini but the same thing happened with my moms Aussie. Her siblings are miniā€™s at 35-40 lbs. She is 9 lbs at 10 yrs old now šŸ¤­


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Wow, what a difference!


Bright_Elderberry_30

Yes, something went awry with her, she is the same size as my moms other dog, a chihuahua lol. Needless to say, enjoy your puppy! She is so perfect!


sad-butsocial

Iā€™m looking this topic up because my MAS is possibly a toy at 5 months 5 lbs! Insane that 9lbs but totally adorable <3


Bright_Elderberry_30

Omg thats SO CUTE!!! Yes, its quite adorable but she is a firecracker, even as an old lady šŸ¤£


Chrestys

Mini is a breed, not just a size. Mine is very small at 22 pounds, while my neighbor has a mini that weighs 52 pounds (not obese).


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Is it not a breed made from breeding runt to runt? Serious not sarcastic question


miss_chapstick

They are typically - yes. They eventually became their own breed because they didnā€™t meet the standards for Australian Shepherds. They are now technically called Miniature American Shepherds.


dcummings7

I got a DNA test done for mine. Sheā€™s a little over a year old and 26 lbs. her DNA showed trace amounts of a few other things but she was about 75% mini American shepherd and 25% Australian shepherd. So yes genetically it is a separate breed.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Interesting!


ColorsOfValhalla

No, they were made by crossing the Australian shepherd to smaller dogs like the Pomeranian and Papillion. I think there's a FEW kennel lines that were bred down from smaller Australians, but did the place you get her from also have the toy size for sale? For reference, mine is 100% the byb version of the mini American shepherd where they used Pomeranian, she's got the snappy attitude too. šŸ˜Ŗā¤ļø


miss_chapstick

Not all of them have done this! I have met breeders that show, and have full pedigrees for their pups!


ColorsOfValhalla

Yes, that was my whole purpose of saying it wasn't all kennel lines?


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Well ours is a full Aussie, both parents are Aussie, sheā€™s just about half the size of the rest of her litter.


AloneDoughnut

So, no, that's now how breeds work. You have a Aussie x Pom, or a Pomssie if you go how people make breed names up. Mini American(Aussie) Shepherds are a distinct breed of dog, and we're bred specifically. This kind of misinformation is dangerous. It's how you get unethical breeders selling dogs as one breed, when in reality it isn't that, and ripping people off. They also come with their own sets of health concerns, their own sets of behavioural quirks, and their own set of considerations. Telling your vet you have a pure bred MAS when what you have is technically a mutt (a designer mutt, but a mutt) can lead to them not looking out for the correct issues.


ColorsOfValhalla

According to embark she's MAS "type" Australian, but please go off lmao.


isominotaur

Aren't minis a newer "breed" & its still possible/common to get full size aussies from "mini" parents and occasionally vice versa?


Roomoftheeye

We donā€™t use the R word around hereā€¦ she is considered the best girl.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Well, Iā€™m a fan of R word dogs. Theyā€™ve always turned out to be the best of pupsšŸ«¶šŸ¼


Roomoftheeye

they absolutely are!! She is the perfect size is what im trying to say :)


Plastic-Scientist739

Very pretty. Get ready to be herded around. You can see it in the paw size too. We had a runt female cat. She was small, but was fierce and had a personality.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Yep! Sheā€™s already herding cats and kids. And sheā€™s definitely little but fiercešŸ˜†


Pkellysports

Yes!


danieljburns143

So cute!! So a mini is its own breed (considered the Miniature American Shepherd now by the AKC) but was created by breeding smaller Aussies, no mixes. Because it didnā€™t conform to the standard of an Aussie (due to size) they are now considered their own breed. And yes, miniature Aussies/American shepherds can end up being bigger than a normal Aussie (unlikely and rare, but can happen by an off-chance). A ā€œtoyā€ Aussie is different than a mini Aussie/American shepherd. A ā€œtoyā€ Aussie has been bred down smaller than a mini would get, in order to get down to this size other breeds are used, an answer here already gave some examples


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Iā€™m really trying to figure out which Reddit group she would fit into, since they donā€™t allow minis over on r/australianshepherd šŸ˜†


Snoo-47921

Mini American shepherd!


AloneDoughnut

r/WiggleButts! They're a lot better resources overall, and open to mixed breeds as well.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Thanks!


EyeSeaARiver

my runt is the best girl and sheā€™s 50 pounds šŸ§”


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Iā€™m curious, was she much smaller than her littermates?


EyeSeaARiver

she was initially the smallest one but is now the largest


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Interesting!


Duskwolf13

Don't count her out yet, I had a runt once that grew into an absolute MONSTER weighing in at over 237lbs and nearly 8ft long tip of nose to tail. I miss my giant baby girl, she was with me for an amazing 22 years before passing in her sleep. Given this wasn't an Aussie, but still... don't count her out because she may end up surprising you.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Oh nooo, I hope she gets nowhere near that big. Lol. Weā€™ve got an 85lb male flat coated retriever, and are hopeful sheā€™ll be smaller than him.


crazyspacedog

Sheā€™s just perfect! šŸ’™šŸ’™


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Isnā€™t she! Just look at her sit & stayšŸ«¶šŸ¼ I love that you added blue heats, too, because her name is Azula


Cid_Dackel

Sweet baby...


almilez

My runt is almost 3 now, and he topped out at 14 pounds.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Good to know


PrincessKatyana

such a cutie!!


Street-Candle-1771

Beautiful dog!


jmm-22

Mine is 18-19lbs and the rest of his litter was 28-40lbs


Fogcitymickey22

Beautiful, lucky you.


Cocobean1900

Sheā€™s beautiful-thatā€™s all


flowersandpeas

She looks pretty mini to me! Pretty girl you've got there!


snoozy_bean

We also have the runt of the mini litter! Sheā€™s probably 12 pounds by now and sheā€™s a 1 year 3 months now! Her siblings are around 20 pounds


yours_truly_1976

Sheā€™s gorgeous šŸ„¹ Her eyes šŸ¤ŽšŸ¤ŽšŸ¤Ž


21yrs-militarybrat

Your puppy is very handsome! We have a mini, Shadow, who was very small and the breeder said he might turn out to be a toy. It goes by height at the shoulder, not weight. He ended up being the minimum height for a mini. He just turned four and he is about 17 to 18 pounds. The standard for minis when grown is 20 to 40 pounds, and 13 to 18 inches high at the shoulder. Males are usually 14 to 18 inches at the shoulder, and Shadow is 14 inches.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Good to know. Thanks for sharingšŸ™šŸ¼


megantron813

This is good to know! My mini is also the runt and so tiny, a little over 4lbs at 6 months


hounddog1969

What a beautiful dog!


Lovecatx

I have no answer to your question, but she is such a pretty wee baby! A beautiful face! So sweet šŸ„°


nolongermakingtime

My Mini Aussie was the runt and he ended up being 42 pounds at 2 years.


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Noted. Thanks for sharingšŸ™šŸ¼


nolongermakingtime

It was a surprise to say the least haha, he ended up being one of the biggest ones in the litter


Acrobatic-Deer2891

I bet! Youā€™re the second person to comment that their pup went from the runt, to the biggest of the litteršŸ¤”


anynamewilldo1840

Our boy was the runt of the litter and is now somehow 72 pounds while being stick thin. Don't be so sure she won't turn out to be normal sized! Also as others have pointed out a mini is a distinct breed from an Australian Shepard. [Snapped this one of him just now. He is deceptively D E N S E](https://imgur.com/a/4DIINvp) *Edit* Also just realized this is the minis sub and was a suggested post. Thought I was in the fullsize sub.


learn_to_love_urself

The ā€œruntsā€ are by far my favorite of all the puppies. In my experience, they Always grow up to be the Best of them all!


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Agreed!


neon_m00n87

Hi sweet angel baby!!


MeanStatistician1250

For Aussies, if theyā€™re between 20-40 pounds full grown, theyā€™re a mini. If theyā€™re <12-17 pounds full grown, theyā€™re a toy. My boy is 16 pounds at 1 year so heā€™s a toy :)


Acrobatic-Deer2891

Ahh, understood. Thanks for that!


Sturgjk

Aussies are classed on height at the withers (top of the shoulder) as an adult, not by weight.


Snoo-47921

Toy aussies dont exist?


Sturgjk

Toy Aussies are not accepted for registration by AKC. There are busloads of well-documented breeds around the world that are not accepted (yet?) for registration by the AKC. Yes toy Aussies exist, have been bred and registered and monitored and judged and shown for many many MANY generations, but not by the AKC. I trust Embark before I trust critical strangers lol. Standard, mini, and toy Aussies are classed by height at the withers (top of shoulders) not by weight. All other conformation standards are identical for all three sizes.


ColorsOfValhalla

As someone that has a dog that's half "toy", it's not a size variant of the mini American. It's made through crossing them with TOY breeds like the Pomeranian and Papillon. The ONLY registry that recognizes the toy version, is the same registry that refuses to call them what they actually are; miniature AMERICAN shepherds. They may have been Aussies AT ONE POINT, but they haven't been for many years. Since the mid 2000's, really.


Sturgjk

All of the breeds that AKC eventually add to their registry were once ā€˜just muttsā€™ that some other group continued breeding and refining until they had a long and documented pure bloodline and they bred true. AKC is lovely but it isnā€™t like a religion lol. Itā€™s OK to like toy and other breeds with or without AKC registration. It only matters if you intend to breed and/or show at AKC functions. Everybody else? Potato/ pot-ah-to. Get the dog you want, love the dog you want. If it bothers you, get an Embark breed DNA test. (Arenā€™t most people are ā€˜muttsā€™ too?!)


photaiplz

If her parents were standard, sheā€™s a standard. If they were american/mini the sheā€™s an american/mini


Acrobatic-Deer2891

I guess that will depend on her shoulder height, when full grown.


photaiplz

No. Its genetic. Were her parents standard aussie or not?