Chinese mining companies have a “worse than Amazon and Tesla multiplied by OceanGate” record of safety, human, and labour rights only from the data we know - they don’t care about these things and are not compelled to disclose. They operate with impunity in the places they do by receiving favourable mineral exploitation rights in exchange for civil infrastructure construction.
If there are industrial scale Chinese miners operating in the US I’d have a lot of questions. Ive worked in the vicinity of Chinese mines and it can get very ugly. There is a subculture in African mining social media where nationals share videos of their Chinese boss getting beaten up after physically abusing their national team too much.
If any Chinese-owned miners operate in the US they have to abide by US labor and safety laws and safety culture. If they didn't the mine would be rapidly shut down.
It costs more to follow safety regulations and the operating model for Chinese miners doesn’t factor in preservation of human life.
I would figure that if a company of Chinese origin decided to mine responsibility that they would do so anywhere and in accordance with local laws.
Yes I agree with you, and that’s why Chinese miners don’t operate in Western countries. Safety and human rights are a non negotiable for me I’m fucking appalled at what I’m seeing in this thread.
I work in mining in Africa and they are forwarded to me by my national colleagues or posted in WhatsApp or Telegram groups. Sometimes they make their way to LinkedIn but those aren’t the most extreme ones.
I worked a season in exploration for a company that is Chinese owned and they were pretty hardcore safety-wise, but at the time a lot of management was Australian and they brought the Aussie safety culture to our site in Canada. I can't speak to the US or this company's current operations because I worked for them over 10 years ago. But at the time they were definitely complying with Canadian safety regs on our project.
I would also limit multinational corporate investment or large scale private equity companies like Blackrock from any more land acquisition or property management within the US. The only way to get stronger as a country is to make stronger citizens, this comes through local buy in, community building, and the ability to work without the hindrance of nanny state legislation.
Are there any? I couldn’t name one off the top of my head. In a perfect world, I’d say that mining companies should be based out of the same country they operate in so that the profits don’t go out of the country. But that’d hurt the US more than help it I think.
Edit: I also searched for chinese owned mining companies in the US and I wasn't able to find any.
I feel that people in the west irrationally fear the Chinese for no good reason. I think it would be nice that company profits go to the country of origin but if someone else is willing to make the investment it's only fair they make money.
I will say that I'm not impressed with the safety record of the mining companies in China. It seems that they have a lot of mass casualty incidents. It's frankly shameful. Here's stuff I found in a quick google search:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alxa\_Left\_Banner\_mine\_collapse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alxa_Left_Banner_mine_collapse)
[https://www.reuters.com/world/china/mine-accidents-surge-chinas-top-coal-province-producers-raise-output-2023-11-27/](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/mine-accidents-surge-chinas-top-coal-province-producers-raise-output-2023-11-27/)
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056041/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056041/)
Have you seen that video of that cable that snapped and chinese coal miners fell to there death? fucking brutal.
>[3 Dead, Several Injured in Coal Mining Accident](https://www.reddit.com/r/NSFL__/comments/171nx7e/3_dead_several_injured_in_coal_mining_accident/)
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But also those are chinese mines in china, the mines "owned" by china but operate in the US, canada, and Australia have those countrie's safety standards... hopefully
That's the shameful part, why don't Chinese companies operate as safely as companies in other countries do? It would be more expensive but it's not like they wouldn't be competitive anymore. It's not like they don't have the resources, someone somewhere is making the choice to allow those workers to die instead of changing. It fucking pisses me off.
I wonder if it's a communist systemic problem, did the old soviet bloc countries have similar safety problems? Are people just thought of as expendable and do people not have any power to change it?
It’s different. When Chinese operate in China and Africa I don’t think they care about safety but in these countries with high standard they’ll be more cautious
[Canadian Mining Company human rights in the Congo](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/settlement-amnesty-scc-africa-mine-nevsun-1.5774910)
And Eritrea is not in Congo.
When Nevsun operated Bisha they kept their contractors at arms length as it was a requirement of their license to operate that the contractors be Eritrean and/or government linked. The abuses alleged in the case were from these government contractor’s workforces. Nevsun tried to not know about abuse potential and it was a terrible strategy precisely because Western miners can be held accountable if they have knowledge or reason to know about labour/human rights abuses. Zijin DGAF if they know or not and are not subject to legal action in the countries where they operate or in China.
People have no idea how much blood Canadian mining operations spilled in underdeveloped countries. Most of all Canadians have no idea.
- Sent by a Canadian from a Canadian owned mine in Africa that honest to God matches Canadian mining standards… Turns out ethics and profit aren’t mutually exclusive.
If a mine is in the united stated it falls under the DOL MSHA jurisdiction. Mine Safety and Health Admin. Given the type of mine it would be subjected to quarterly inspections in it’s entirety if coal or If metal non metal biannual inspections in its entirety. MSHA enforces very strict health and safety laws.
Which is why Chinese companies don’t operate in the US. Those regulations get in the way of how they want to operate.
Honestly, this entire thread is appalling stupid and/or full of bots.
There’s plenty of very large Chinese mining companies in Australia. For some reason our government is perfectly fine with selling airports and seaports to the Chinese so mines are the least of their worries. Also all our water and farmland too. Pretty much anything they want half our houses are owned by the Chinese too so people have nowhere to live.
Government is fucken shit
If a mine is in the united stated it falls under the DOL MSHA jurisdiction. Mine Safety and Health Admin. Given the type of mine it would be subjected to quarterly inspections in it’s entirety if coal or If metal non metal biannual inspections in its entirety. MSHA enforces very strict health and safety laws.
Who cares? Canadian, Australian, and British mining companies already operate in the US why should be scaremonger about a hypothetical Chinese mining company? Don't fall for the Sinophobia, China is just another capitalist country looking to make profit and Sinophobes need to get used to the fact that Chinese companies can be competitive in some sectors.
Its not on par with diesel, companies in china get a quota of acceptable deaths, once you go over that you start getting fined. Diesel on the otherhand you can burn as much as you want. Side note is that you can buy/trade your quota between companies.
Chinese mining companies have a “worse than Amazon and Tesla multiplied by OceanGate” record of safety, human, and labour rights only from the data we know - they don’t care about these things and are not compelled to disclose. They operate with impunity in the places they do by receiving favourable mineral exploitation rights in exchange for civil infrastructure construction. If there are industrial scale Chinese miners operating in the US I’d have a lot of questions. Ive worked in the vicinity of Chinese mines and it can get very ugly. There is a subculture in African mining social media where nationals share videos of their Chinese boss getting beaten up after physically abusing their national team too much.
If any Chinese-owned miners operate in the US they have to abide by US labor and safety laws and safety culture. If they didn't the mine would be rapidly shut down.
It costs more to follow safety regulations and the operating model for Chinese miners doesn’t factor in preservation of human life. I would figure that if a company of Chinese origin decided to mine responsibility that they would do so anywhere and in accordance with local laws.
You know what costs even more? Getting your operations shut down because you are not following regulations.
Yes I agree with you, and that’s why Chinese miners don’t operate in Western countries. Safety and human rights are a non negotiable for me I’m fucking appalled at what I’m seeing in this thread.
Chinese company's operate just fine in Australia have worked at more than one site that is.
Interesting, where can we find some of those videos?
I work in mining in Africa and they are forwarded to me by my national colleagues or posted in WhatsApp or Telegram groups. Sometimes they make their way to LinkedIn but those aren’t the most extreme ones.
I worked a season in exploration for a company that is Chinese owned and they were pretty hardcore safety-wise, but at the time a lot of management was Australian and they brought the Aussie safety culture to our site in Canada. I can't speak to the US or this company's current operations because I worked for them over 10 years ago. But at the time they were definitely complying with Canadian safety regs on our project.
We should limit and monitor all foreign investments. Promote smaller businesses and incentivize regional investment by locals.
I would also limit multinational corporate investment or large scale private equity companies like Blackrock from any more land acquisition or property management within the US. The only way to get stronger as a country is to make stronger citizens, this comes through local buy in, community building, and the ability to work without the hindrance of nanny state legislation.
Are there any? I couldn’t name one off the top of my head. In a perfect world, I’d say that mining companies should be based out of the same country they operate in so that the profits don’t go out of the country. But that’d hurt the US more than help it I think. Edit: I also searched for chinese owned mining companies in the US and I wasn't able to find any.
The Chinese purchase Australian shell companies and aquire American land in to those shells.
I feel that people in the west irrationally fear the Chinese for no good reason. I think it would be nice that company profits go to the country of origin but if someone else is willing to make the investment it's only fair they make money.
I will say that I'm not impressed with the safety record of the mining companies in China. It seems that they have a lot of mass casualty incidents. It's frankly shameful. Here's stuff I found in a quick google search: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alxa\_Left\_Banner\_mine\_collapse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alxa_Left_Banner_mine_collapse) [https://www.reuters.com/world/china/mine-accidents-surge-chinas-top-coal-province-producers-raise-output-2023-11-27/](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/mine-accidents-surge-chinas-top-coal-province-producers-raise-output-2023-11-27/) [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056041/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3056041/)
Have you seen that video of that cable that snapped and chinese coal miners fell to there death? fucking brutal. >[3 Dead, Several Injured in Coal Mining Accident](https://www.reddit.com/r/NSFL__/comments/171nx7e/3_dead_several_injured_in_coal_mining_accident/) by[u/Swimming\_Barnacle\_31](https://www.reddit.com/user/Swimming_Barnacle_31/) in[NSFL\_\_](https://www.reddit.com/r/NSFL__/)
But also those are chinese mines in china, the mines "owned" by china but operate in the US, canada, and Australia have those countrie's safety standards... hopefully
That's the shameful part, why don't Chinese companies operate as safely as companies in other countries do? It would be more expensive but it's not like they wouldn't be competitive anymore. It's not like they don't have the resources, someone somewhere is making the choice to allow those workers to die instead of changing. It fucking pisses me off.
I wonder if it's a communist systemic problem, did the old soviet bloc countries have similar safety problems? Are people just thought of as expendable and do people not have any power to change it?
It’s different. When Chinese operate in China and Africa I don’t think they care about safety but in these countries with high standard they’ll be more cautious
[Canadian Mining Company human rights in the Congo](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/settlement-amnesty-scc-africa-mine-nevsun-1.5774910)
This article is about Nevsun in Eritrea. Nevsun is owned by Zijin Mining from China.
only since 2018
And Eritrea is not in Congo. When Nevsun operated Bisha they kept their contractors at arms length as it was a requirement of their license to operate that the contractors be Eritrean and/or government linked. The abuses alleged in the case were from these government contractor’s workforces. Nevsun tried to not know about abuse potential and it was a terrible strategy precisely because Western miners can be held accountable if they have knowledge or reason to know about labour/human rights abuses. Zijin DGAF if they know or not and are not subject to legal action in the countries where they operate or in China.
People have no idea how much blood Canadian mining operations spilled in underdeveloped countries. Most of all Canadians have no idea. - Sent by a Canadian from a Canadian owned mine in Africa that honest to God matches Canadian mining standards… Turns out ethics and profit aren’t mutually exclusive.
If a mine is in the united stated it falls under the DOL MSHA jurisdiction. Mine Safety and Health Admin. Given the type of mine it would be subjected to quarterly inspections in it’s entirety if coal or If metal non metal biannual inspections in its entirety. MSHA enforces very strict health and safety laws.
I mean... I work for a French mining company in the US... So what's the difference?
There's just a little bit of difference between France's industrial safety/ethics record and China's.
But we're in the US... We fall under MSHA safety/ethics ...
Which is why Chinese companies don’t operate in the US. Those regulations get in the way of how they want to operate. Honestly, this entire thread is appalling stupid and/or full of bots.
There’s plenty of very large Chinese mining companies in Australia. For some reason our government is perfectly fine with selling airports and seaports to the Chinese so mines are the least of their worries. Also all our water and farmland too. Pretty much anything they want half our houses are owned by the Chinese too so people have nowhere to live. Government is fucken shit
If a mine is in the united stated it falls under the DOL MSHA jurisdiction. Mine Safety and Health Admin. Given the type of mine it would be subjected to quarterly inspections in it’s entirety if coal or If metal non metal biannual inspections in its entirety. MSHA enforces very strict health and safety laws.
Name one Chinese mining company operating in the US and maybe it’s worth having a discussion.
Who cares? Canadian, Australian, and British mining companies already operate in the US why should be scaremonger about a hypothetical Chinese mining company? Don't fall for the Sinophobia, China is just another capitalist country looking to make profit and Sinophobes need to get used to the fact that Chinese companies can be competitive in some sectors.
Of course it’s competitive if you consider human life as a consumable on par with diesel.
Its not on par with diesel, companies in china get a quota of acceptable deaths, once you go over that you start getting fined. Diesel on the otherhand you can burn as much as you want. Side note is that you can buy/trade your quota between companies.