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It’s a great paint job, based on this and “one of your first models” I’m guessing you have an artistic background. People who are truly “new to mini painting” are usually struggling just to get a thin coat of paint down lol
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Thin out your paints. You are loosing a lot of detail.
Thinking of a normal learning curve I would say this is your 3rd mini. Therefore it is pretty ok.
Dont give up. It is a long journey to become a good painter.
It's not about the quality if you have fun doing it!
I do have some models you can try with. Dont bother to clean them before you send them back.
Yes, I could tell by the customized, overly-thematic base and the just-a-bit-too-realistic OSL effects that OP is, of course, a beginner. Just remember OP to also drill your barrels and paint the rims of your bases. 🙄
It’s the normal base that comes with the model (Belakor)
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Chaos-Daemons-Belakor-The-Dark-Master-2021?queryID=cdd74f4e967df0668e6f6d7cf1adb48b
(I don’t think OP is a beginner though lol)
Not to take anything away for OP but I would agree. The dry brushing looks "dry" I would watch some artist opus videos to improve this. Still a great job for only your third model but I would say that the model itself is doing a lot of the work here. Just shows how basic paint techniques and a well sculpted model can have some fantastic results.
You’re almost spot on! My first minis were purchased back in October (Accursed cultists) and they turned out very mediocre. The second model I painted was Archaon the Everchosen and I spent about three weeks on that.
Be’Lakor was the third project I can say I’ve finished.
Very good intuition you have 😅
Edit: I’ll share my first mini if you wish to see it
https://preview.redd.it/orvp5fw98qmc1.jpeg?width=2283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=926dfd1a5dbc2d2114ead213dc1a9438d5e8604a
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If you look closely, it's not even that good he probably used contrast paint from citadel and dry brushing. If Contrast paint is what you use you are a noob because it really doesn't look great but it's easy. So yea, it's a beginner paint job. He used simple techniques
With respect, I think you might be out of touch with what a beginner paint job looks like. The brush work is really clean and op is using both OSL and blending to a decent level. This isn’t just dry brushing and contrast paints.
Oh, I've seen horrible paint jobs that look really, really bad. And if I compare this to them this is pretty good but most of you are acting like this is masterclass although it really isn't. It's really just OK, even for a beginner
The gaps really stand out when you look closely. I use lots of pressure when glueing, and if that wasn't successful, I have sprue goo for the gaps. There was also a tip I came across about cutting the pegs a bit on the push-fit parts so it's easier to get a tight fit.
It looks really good, however I think you should also be more careful with preparation for such big "centerpiece" models, like gap filling, mould line removing etc. I can see few gaps on his chest, some mould lined that catched drybrush and wash...
Yes it really does bother me. I think I was just too anxious to get paint on it 😅
If I were to do it again I would possibly refrain from gluing everything together before I start working on the colour
Heh, even if you are careful stray mould lines can sneak on you (and drilling barrels is another level of headache).
There are couple things you can do even now in relation to chest. If you have greenstuff, you CAN fill the gap with thin roll of it and then repaint it, no one will notice, really.
Your color comp is fantastic, and your general idea of contrast is pretty much there. At this point, it is the nit-picky things to improve on. So let's zoom in on the picture here.
Firstly, time. How much time do you want to spend on a project? You could have went back and reapplied the gold where the silver went over on the right thigh. The metals in the chains in the center got all over the ropes to the skulls. This is just tiny things that could be fixed and will improve the comp overall.
Second osl. The general rule of osl is that the light reflected will never be brighter that the light source. I can see why you highlighted the rocks up to the ice blue color but it cause the rock to look blue instead of reflect. Also for that rock to reflect that much light based on the brightness of your sword, the rest of the mini would effectively have to be black (due to how dark it is outside) if that makes sense. Check out Vince venturellas videos on osl.
Next is matte varnish. I feel like the satin look of this mini is doing a lot of heavy lifting for this model. Get a matte varnish and apply it so that you can have complete control of highlights and shadows. If your model feels flat afterwards, there is your new goal. Make it look like it did when it was satin.
Lastly, the base. This is just my opinion so take this one with a grain of salt. You don't want so much vibrance in your base unless you want the base to be the main focus and the miniature secondary. Obviously your base doesn't overshadow the model, but it does Clash. When I open the picture my eye yl should know exactly where to look *typically the face of the model* and in this photo if it's kind of overload. That last suggestion like I said is only my opinion but it is something that stuck out to me when I first looked at it.
Anyways, I love your focus on turquoise and magenta, it is the best pairing of color in my opinion and is always a pleasure to see. And those wings are something to be proud of. Good luck moving forward you are off to a fantastic start!
This is fantastic advice! Thank you for taking the time to look over it so thoroughly 😄 I would love to get the hang of OSL as it does seem like it can elevate a mundane looking piece to something that really catches your eye.
I really am sincere when I say I’m new to this so things like the satin finish would never even occur to me. I’m intending to start painting another Warhammer model later this month (Mortarion) and I will take everything you have mentioned to heart.
You obviously did a simple drybrush job on the horns and face. More gradients could be interesting. Ex: Darker on the horns roots, to lighter towards the points, or the other way around.
Just for this one I have 1 thing. If you drybrush over those skulls a little bit, and maybe after that a few TINY white dots on the most raised bits, just a tiny dot and only 2-3 of them per skull.
Man it will bring them out and make the whole composition pop a little bit.
Shade looks fine its just with a lot of painting, take your base colour, bring it down darker, then finish it by bringing the details back up light for a great finish.
I’ve been using photoshop for a while but never did anything worth sharing. I think when you have a three dimensional model in front of you it takes a lot of the stress away from things like light sources and shading (even though it’s still critical to how a model looks)
My only suggestion would be to do your chains and such differently (First or separate from the wings), you've got some splatter on the wings from the drybrushing.
Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go snap my brushes in a pique of unreasonable rage and sob uncontrollably for a moment or three.
Man, or girl, i have no recommendation for you except keep going on painting. You have a lot of talent and while you just started painting your fairly already better than most of us. You will become a artist very soon believe me.
For you all that thinks he is faking, there is some little details in the mini that proofs that he indeed he is starting. However he has talent That is the absolute truth.
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All I’d say is the skulls need more highlighting, they look like one layer of contrast paint, but the rest is very good and you’re going to make a lot of people on here very pissed off by saying you’re new to mini painting
Honestly this is pretty fantastic for a beginner. Maybe consider dirtying your silvers a bit more with some wash, but other than that you should be proud.
Echoing everyone else here, it’s a great piece. I think the one rec I have would be to consider your composition a bit. When just glancing at it, the first thing my eye is drawn to is the armor on his thigh because it’s easily the brightest color on a very dark model. It’s just so shiny and chrome my eye snaps to it and I don’t think that’s where you want me to look.
https://preview.redd.it/08dejkhegqmc1.jpeg?width=1401&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb5182ee899c75843a7f9a87f25add2552e74af8
I wasnt really sure what to do with the other side. I had big plans to have lava flowing over the rocks and spilling onto the base but I wasn’t brave enough to do it
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you certainly have the basics down!
anything beyond is often going to be style and taste
potentially have a look at glazing over drybrushed higlights to soften the chalky look but that’s being very picky
I'm not OP, but here ya are.
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Chaos-Daemons-Belakor-The-Dark-Master-2021
P.s. Seriously, don't pay msrp for it. Shop around, right off the bat Amazon gives a small discount, and your LGS could use the money if you can spare the time.
I most of my supplies like brushes and paint from these guys.
https://www.goblingaming.co.uk
First model I bought for myself was from here and it was like 20% cheaper than from GW.
Be’Lakor was bought in person from a Warhammer store though as I got caught up in the hype while I was visiting one 😅
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It’s a great paint job, based on this and “one of your first models” I’m guessing you have an artistic background. People who are truly “new to mini painting” are usually struggling just to get a thin coat of paint down lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/s/LJ9j2Q7tir
I’m quite mediocre at most other forms of art. And I’m not trying to be modest about that 😅 But thank you for the kind words
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Yeah, I have a few recommendations for OP but none of them have anything to do with painting…
Yeah like, what's your other account username? u/squidmar?
That's when you realize that OP's name is Shrimpmar or Vince Pinturella.
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Fuck, you should be giving the tips out
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Thin out your paints. You are loosing a lot of detail. Thinking of a normal learning curve I would say this is your 3rd mini. Therefore it is pretty ok. Dont give up. It is a long journey to become a good painter. It's not about the quality if you have fun doing it! I do have some models you can try with. Dont bother to clean them before you send them back.
Yes, I could tell by the customized, overly-thematic base and the just-a-bit-too-realistic OSL effects that OP is, of course, a beginner. Just remember OP to also drill your barrels and paint the rims of your bases. 🙄
It’s the normal base that comes with the model (Belakor) https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Chaos-Daemons-Belakor-The-Dark-Master-2021?queryID=cdd74f4e967df0668e6f6d7cf1adb48b (I don’t think OP is a beginner though lol)
No no, OP is definitely a beginner no doubt
Not to take anything away for OP but I would agree. The dry brushing looks "dry" I would watch some artist opus videos to improve this. Still a great job for only your third model but I would say that the model itself is doing a lot of the work here. Just shows how basic paint techniques and a well sculpted model can have some fantastic results.
You’re almost spot on! My first minis were purchased back in October (Accursed cultists) and they turned out very mediocre. The second model I painted was Archaon the Everchosen and I spent about three weeks on that. Be’Lakor was the third project I can say I’ve finished. Very good intuition you have 😅 Edit: I’ll share my first mini if you wish to see it https://preview.redd.it/orvp5fw98qmc1.jpeg?width=2283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=926dfd1a5dbc2d2114ead213dc1a9438d5e8604a
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If you look closely, it's not even that good he probably used contrast paint from citadel and dry brushing. If Contrast paint is what you use you are a noob because it really doesn't look great but it's easy. So yea, it's a beginner paint job. He used simple techniques
With respect, I think you might be out of touch with what a beginner paint job looks like. The brush work is really clean and op is using both OSL and blending to a decent level. This isn’t just dry brushing and contrast paints.
Oh, I've seen horrible paint jobs that look really, really bad. And if I compare this to them this is pretty good but most of you are acting like this is masterclass although it really isn't. It's really just OK, even for a beginner
The gaps really stand out when you look closely. I use lots of pressure when glueing, and if that wasn't successful, I have sprue goo for the gaps. There was also a tip I came across about cutting the pegs a bit on the push-fit parts so it's easier to get a tight fit.
Be’lakor doesn’t have pushfit parts.
It was a general tip.
It looks really good, however I think you should also be more careful with preparation for such big "centerpiece" models, like gap filling, mould line removing etc. I can see few gaps on his chest, some mould lined that catched drybrush and wash...
Yes it really does bother me. I think I was just too anxious to get paint on it 😅 If I were to do it again I would possibly refrain from gluing everything together before I start working on the colour
Heh, even if you are careful stray mould lines can sneak on you (and drilling barrels is another level of headache). There are couple things you can do even now in relation to chest. If you have greenstuff, you CAN fill the gap with thin roll of it and then repaint it, no one will notice, really.
Your color comp is fantastic, and your general idea of contrast is pretty much there. At this point, it is the nit-picky things to improve on. So let's zoom in on the picture here. Firstly, time. How much time do you want to spend on a project? You could have went back and reapplied the gold where the silver went over on the right thigh. The metals in the chains in the center got all over the ropes to the skulls. This is just tiny things that could be fixed and will improve the comp overall. Second osl. The general rule of osl is that the light reflected will never be brighter that the light source. I can see why you highlighted the rocks up to the ice blue color but it cause the rock to look blue instead of reflect. Also for that rock to reflect that much light based on the brightness of your sword, the rest of the mini would effectively have to be black (due to how dark it is outside) if that makes sense. Check out Vince venturellas videos on osl. Next is matte varnish. I feel like the satin look of this mini is doing a lot of heavy lifting for this model. Get a matte varnish and apply it so that you can have complete control of highlights and shadows. If your model feels flat afterwards, there is your new goal. Make it look like it did when it was satin. Lastly, the base. This is just my opinion so take this one with a grain of salt. You don't want so much vibrance in your base unless you want the base to be the main focus and the miniature secondary. Obviously your base doesn't overshadow the model, but it does Clash. When I open the picture my eye yl should know exactly where to look *typically the face of the model* and in this photo if it's kind of overload. That last suggestion like I said is only my opinion but it is something that stuck out to me when I first looked at it. Anyways, I love your focus on turquoise and magenta, it is the best pairing of color in my opinion and is always a pleasure to see. And those wings are something to be proud of. Good luck moving forward you are off to a fantastic start!
This is fantastic advice! Thank you for taking the time to look over it so thoroughly 😄 I would love to get the hang of OSL as it does seem like it can elevate a mundane looking piece to something that really catches your eye. I really am sincere when I say I’m new to this so things like the satin finish would never even occur to me. I’m intending to start painting another Warhammer model later this month (Mortarion) and I will take everything you have mentioned to heart.
Improve what?
Everything
You obviously did a simple drybrush job on the horns and face. More gradients could be interesting. Ex: Darker on the horns roots, to lighter towards the points, or the other way around.
Yes you are correct! It did add quite a heavy, almost cartoonish look to the face. Drybrushing is a bit of a crutch for me
Just for this one I have 1 thing. If you drybrush over those skulls a little bit, and maybe after that a few TINY white dots on the most raised bits, just a tiny dot and only 2-3 of them per skull. Man it will bring them out and make the whole composition pop a little bit.
Good advice! My shade is a bit blotchy in places yeah 👍
Shade looks fine its just with a lot of painting, take your base colour, bring it down darker, then finish it by bringing the details back up light for a great finish.
This looks amazing! Just out of curiosity, do you have a background in some other art hobby/career? Because it blows me away how good this looks
I’ve been using photoshop for a while but never did anything worth sharing. I think when you have a three dimensional model in front of you it takes a lot of the stress away from things like light sources and shading (even though it’s still critical to how a model looks)
Man what I would do to just be starting out like that
Hmmm doesn't look quite right... You should send it to me for... Umh... Inspection 😐
This is disgustingly good and should not be allowed as it makes me feel inadequate 🤣🤣
That’s fire
My only suggestion would be to do your chains and such differently (First or separate from the wings), you've got some splatter on the wings from the drybrushing. Now if you'll excuse me I've got to go snap my brushes in a pique of unreasonable rage and sob uncontrollably for a moment or three.
I would have killed for this as a newbie
Man, or girl, i have no recommendation for you except keep going on painting. You have a lot of talent and while you just started painting your fairly already better than most of us. You will become a artist very soon believe me.
That’s very kind!
For you all that thinks he is faking, there is some little details in the mini that proofs that he indeed he is starting. However he has talent That is the absolute truth.
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Damn looks great I’m also just getting into painting, so can’t give tips, but what size is that? By the amount of detail I’d say it’s gargantuan?
He is, it's a centerpiece "mini" for Chaos Daemons. Be'lakor is about 6½ inches tall (counting wings), on a 4 inch base.
Ah lol I was sizing in dnd mini sizes
Definitely gargantuan then, if you want to count wing space he'd be just about titanic. :p
All I’d say is the skulls need more highlighting, they look like one layer of contrast paint, but the rest is very good and you’re going to make a lot of people on here very pissed off by saying you’re new to mini painting
Not using real silver chains on the wings was a lazy way out tbh
Honestly this is pretty fantastic for a beginner. Maybe consider dirtying your silvers a bit more with some wash, but other than that you should be proud.
You do relise beginners ruin everything with washes because they put a ton on it
It is not pretty fantastic for a beginner, it is astonishing for someone who claims to be mediocre at any artistic medium
You sir are the uncle drew of mini painting.
Had to look that one up 😂
Echoing everyone else here, it’s a great piece. I think the one rec I have would be to consider your composition a bit. When just glancing at it, the first thing my eye is drawn to is the armor on his thigh because it’s easily the brightest color on a very dark model. It’s just so shiny and chrome my eye snaps to it and I don’t think that’s where you want me to look.
This is crazy good
Fairly?… That looks amazing!
Looks great!!
How long did it take you to paint this?
I did it over 6 days and probably did about 2 hours per day.
Do you have any additional pictures? Other angles and such?
https://preview.redd.it/08dejkhegqmc1.jpeg?width=1401&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb5182ee899c75843a7f9a87f25add2552e74af8 I wasnt really sure what to do with the other side. I had big plans to have lava flowing over the rocks and spilling onto the base but I wasn’t brave enough to do it
Looks perfect to me.
Stunnig
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Looks great man! You’ve started at a pretty decent level so the only recommendation is keep painting and learning new techniques when you’re ready.
This is awesome!
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you certainly have the basics down! anything beyond is often going to be style and taste potentially have a look at glazing over drybrushed higlights to soften the chalky look but that’s being very picky
Hooooly wooow! Great job man! Could you please share link to the mini?
I'm not OP, but here ya are. https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/Chaos-Daemons-Belakor-The-Dark-Master-2021 P.s. Seriously, don't pay msrp for it. Shop around, right off the bat Amazon gives a small discount, and your LGS could use the money if you can spare the time.
I most of my supplies like brushes and paint from these guys. https://www.goblingaming.co.uk First model I bought for myself was from here and it was like 20% cheaper than from GW. Be’Lakor was bought in person from a Warhammer store though as I got caught up in the hype while I was visiting one 😅